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		<title>By: Wallace A. Farmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/08/05/extension-talks-for-joe/comment-page-6/#comment-88323</link>
		<dc:creator>Wallace A. Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hawks are so very bad in the 
Playoffs. They
Deserve to be booed Their offense and
Defense is sub-par.
I think the comment
Joe Johnson made
About the Hawk&#039;s
Fans was out of
Frustration but
Not the less he
Should not have
Made them. If he
Doesn&#039;t perform well on Monday, it could
be an ugly sight.
What team want a
Subpar super star
With a negative
Attitude towards the fans.Joe Johnson
will be the same
Player no matter
Where he signs to
Play in 2011.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hawks are so very bad in the<br />
Playoffs. They<br />
Deserve to be booed Their offense and<br />
Defense is sub-par.<br />
I think the comment<br />
Joe Johnson made<br />
About the Hawk&#8217;s<br />
Fans was out of<br />
Frustration but<br />
Not the less he<br />
Should not have<br />
Made them. If he<br />
Doesn&#8217;t perform well on Monday, it could<br />
be an ugly sight.<br />
What team want a<br />
Subpar super star<br />
With a negative<br />
Attitude towards the fans.Joe Johnson<br />
will be the same<br />
Player no matter<br />
Where he signs to<br />
Play in 2011.e</p>
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		<title>By: Crickets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crickets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Atlanta-Hawks-trying-to-sign-Joe-Smith;_ylt=Av9exsb4Ep0y2PtzNysH7YwuPaB4?urn=nba,181818/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
The Hawks are correctly moving on to Plan B if and when Joe Smith signs with the Cavs. This will lessen the embarrassment if we get rejected. At least Woody has publicly shown plenty of love for the guy and expressed to him his value with the Hawks. I don&#039;t know what the Hawks money offer is but he will likely turn-down being the option-2 guy for being the option-3 guy. However, if Sund knew he was competing against the Cavs, a real title contender, then he&#039;s a fool if he low-balled the offer to Joe Smith; especially after striking-out so many times before with all the contention for big-men.  On the other hand, this might not be about Sund at all. This might simply be about a disingenuous Joe Smith using the Hawks to gain leverage with the Cavs just because he can. I hope it doesn’t backfire on him.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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The Hawks are correctly moving on to Plan B if and when Joe Smith signs with the Cavs. This will lessen the embarrassment if we get rejected. At least Woody has publicly shown plenty of love for the guy and expressed to him his value with the Hawks. I don&#8217;t know what the Hawks money offer is but he will likely turn-down being the option-2 guy for being the option-3 guy. However, if Sund knew he was competing against the Cavs, a real title contender, then he&#8217;s a fool if he low-balled the offer to Joe Smith; especially after striking-out so many times before with all the contention for big-men.  On the other hand, this might not be about Sund at all. This might simply be about a disingenuous Joe Smith using the Hawks to gain leverage with the Cavs just because he can. I hope it doesn’t backfire on him.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ariose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*smith</description>
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		<title>By: Ariose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Joe Smith is stalling because he has no intention to sign with the Hawks. He&#039;s just stringing us along and waiting for Cleveland to up their offer. Kind of like how Lamar Odum flirted with the Heat this offseason but WE ALL KNEW he wouldn&#039;t leave that good situation he had in LA.

In an article about a week ago, Joe Smoth said that Atlanta is were he wants to be. Seems like a front for something bigger(cle) if you ask me...

Thats my conspiracy theory for the day lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Joe Smith is stalling because he has no intention to sign with the Hawks. He&#8217;s just stringing us along and waiting for Cleveland to up their offer. Kind of like how Lamar Odum flirted with the Heat this offseason but WE ALL KNEW he wouldn&#8217;t leave that good situation he had in LA.</p>
<p>In an article about a week ago, Joe Smoth said that Atlanta is were he wants to be. Seems like a front for something bigger(cle) if you ask me&#8230;</p>
<p>Thats my conspiracy theory for the day lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RANOM-I&#039;m not into the debate about which player plays harder because it&#039;s all relative. We&#039;re talking about different players with different styles, mindsets, approaches to the gm and situations. Horford has to play harder because he plays center and ususlly goes up against bigger, taller and stronger opponents. JSmith has the option of varying his approach because playing PF usually affords him better size, height and strength matchups. JJ is in the unique position of having to be the teams #1 OFF option and #1 DEF stopper. Far too often he has to guard the CPaul&#039;s, DWilliam&#039;, DWade&#039;s and AIverson&#039;s in order to compensate for Bibby&#039;s poor DEF skills. You won&#039;t find DWade, LJames or KBryant having to do that. 

Also, Josh is more easily frustrated than either Horford, JJ, Marvin or JJ. The same emotional drive that triggers his desire to work so hard in the off season to improve himself both physically and skill wise, often leads to his frustration. He knows he, his teammates and the team as a whole, are much much better when they push the ball, play uptempo and attack the basket. When the team gets bogged down and morph into the ISO Joe, Bibby and Flip mode, and everyone else gets shut out of the OFF, he trys to change things by running a one man fastbreak and forcing the issue when he secures a rebound.  

When you&#039;re not allowed to run consistently and score easy baskets, when you don&#039;t have an inside scoring presence and your halfcourt OFF is limited and breaks down often, your alternative is a lot of dribbling, one on one play and long jumpers to beat the shot clock. DOES THAT SEEM FAMILIAR?

After giving it some thought, I believe I know why OHunter hasn&#039;t been offered a contract. Joe Smith is the object of our desire and we want to secure our 12 man roster first. If we sign Joe, we&#039;ll have our PF. If we don&#039;t, Hunter will likely be signed, along with Siler and another FA Big. Signing Joe Smith instead of OHunter gives us more experience and versatility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RANOM-I&#8217;m not into the debate about which player plays harder because it&#8217;s all relative. We&#8217;re talking about different players with different styles, mindsets, approaches to the gm and situations. Horford has to play harder because he plays center and ususlly goes up against bigger, taller and stronger opponents. JSmith has the option of varying his approach because playing PF usually affords him better size, height and strength matchups. JJ is in the unique position of having to be the teams #1 OFF option and #1 DEF stopper. Far too often he has to guard the CPaul&#8217;s, DWilliam&#8217;, DWade&#8217;s and AIverson&#8217;s in order to compensate for Bibby&#8217;s poor DEF skills. You won&#8217;t find DWade, LJames or KBryant having to do that. </p>
<p>Also, Josh is more easily frustrated than either Horford, JJ, Marvin or JJ. The same emotional drive that triggers his desire to work so hard in the off season to improve himself both physically and skill wise, often leads to his frustration. He knows he, his teammates and the team as a whole, are much much better when they push the ball, play uptempo and attack the basket. When the team gets bogged down and morph into the ISO Joe, Bibby and Flip mode, and everyone else gets shut out of the OFF, he trys to change things by running a one man fastbreak and forcing the issue when he secures a rebound.  </p>
<p>When you&#8217;re not allowed to run consistently and score easy baskets, when you don&#8217;t have an inside scoring presence and your halfcourt OFF is limited and breaks down often, your alternative is a lot of dribbling, one on one play and long jumpers to beat the shot clock. DOES THAT SEEM FAMILIAR?</p>
<p>After giving it some thought, I believe I know why OHunter hasn&#8217;t been offered a contract. Joe Smith is the object of our desire and we want to secure our 12 man roster first. If we sign Joe, we&#8217;ll have our PF. If we don&#8217;t, Hunter will likely be signed, along with Siler and another FA Big. Signing Joe Smith instead of OHunter gives us more experience and versatility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anakin Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anakin Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing on Woody&#039;s quote... it is consistent with his style.  Last season, Woody came out and declared &quot;we want home court advantage and to win 50 games&quot;.  He said it in his first year with a new boss.  He put himself and his team out there.  So why not step forward and say &quot;we need front court depth&quot;?  How is he supposed to avoid the obvious?  Did you want him to say &quot;I am comfortable that we can compete with a 10 man roster&quot;?  Or &quot;we could sign a few thick brothas on the corner and go out and nail the 4th seed, we&#039;ve got it like that&quot;?  I would love to hear Bobby Cox say something more than his same old &quot;I like our team&quot; line that we hear each and every April.  It sounds fake, routine and thoughtless, especially after being a .500 team tha past 3.5 years.  Oh and if Sund is a guy who likes to have &quot;deals fall in his lap&quot; then having the coach tell all of the remaining veteran big men that the Hawks have a big-ole vacancy sign hanging in the front window is a good idea. Here&#039;s guessing that Sund had more than 2-3 messages waiting for him this morning from various agents of available bigs.  &quot;Let&#039;s talk, call me at ...&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing on Woody&#8217;s quote&#8230; it is consistent with his style.  Last season, Woody came out and declared &#8220;we want home court advantage and to win 50 games&#8221;.  He said it in his first year with a new boss.  He put himself and his team out there.  So why not step forward and say &#8220;we need front court depth&#8221;?  How is he supposed to avoid the obvious?  Did you want him to say &#8220;I am comfortable that we can compete with a 10 man roster&#8221;?  Or &#8220;we could sign a few thick brothas on the corner and go out and nail the 4th seed, we&#8217;ve got it like that&#8221;?  I would love to hear Bobby Cox say something more than his same old &#8220;I like our team&#8221; line that we hear each and every April.  It sounds fake, routine and thoughtless, especially after being a .500 team tha past 3.5 years.  Oh and if Sund is a guy who likes to have &#8220;deals fall in his lap&#8221; then having the coach tell all of the remaining veteran big men that the Hawks have a big-ole vacancy sign hanging in the front window is a good idea. Here&#8217;s guessing that Sund had more than 2-3 messages waiting for him this morning from various agents of available bigs.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s talk, call me at &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kwooden1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwooden1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newkid, I think the article may actually help the situation.  Because of the NBA system, no team accept Cleveland can offer significantly more $ than us. I believe the issues in Joe Smith&#039;s mind are playing time and length of contract.  He&#039;s averaged 19 - 20+mins/per for the last 3 years, but he might be thinking he was going to get Solo mins with the HAWKS.  The article shows that the coach sees a big need for him with the HAWKS and doesn&#039;t mind vocalizing it.  Hopefully it lets Joe Smith know that he is wanted and will be a major part of this team.

GO HAWKS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newkid, I think the article may actually help the situation.  Because of the NBA system, no team accept Cleveland can offer significantly more $ than us. I believe the issues in Joe Smith&#8217;s mind are playing time and length of contract.  He&#8217;s averaged 19 &#8211; 20+mins/per for the last 3 years, but he might be thinking he was going to get Solo mins with the HAWKS.  The article shows that the coach sees a big need for him with the HAWKS and doesn&#8217;t mind vocalizing it.  Hopefully it lets Joe Smith know that he is wanted and will be a major part of this team.</p>
<p>GO HAWKS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astro Joe,


Excellent point about our offense being better during the regular season, then falling apart in the playoffs and going right back to Joe. The $64,000 question (if you&#039;re playing &quot;The Weakest link&quot; or some other similar gameshow) is &quot;why?&quot; 

In the face of adversity or simply tougher-than-normal conditions, people tend to &quot;rise to the occasion&quot; less, and are &quot;reduced to their level of training&quot; more. Of course, that usually leads to another round of our usual blame game around here, but that can&#039;t be helped. : )

OH, and you know Woody is just not that short-winded when he&#039;s asked a question. Unless he&#039;s being interviewed by Jeff Schultz.... ;)

By the way, I think you should make &quot;ATTACK THE RIM&quot; your tag line. Snazzy. Hip. Dope. Or however it&#039;s said these days. I like it. 




Sam From the Swats, 



I agree that Josh gets a lot of flack, more than the guys drafted ahead of him. At the same time, &lt;strong&gt; Joe &lt;/strong&gt; is right. It&#039;s less about draft position by now, and more about showing what they are truly capable of. Marvin is no game changer. Josh is. That doesn&#039;t mean Marvin&#039;s no good. But it does mean that more is expected out of Josh, who is clearly capable at this point of having a much more dynamic effect on any given game, on any given night. 

By the way, unless you&#039;ve talked to every single GM and/or front office personnel of every team, you can&#039;t possibly know that no teams were interested in Marvin. Just because it wasn&#039;t reported doesn&#039;t mean it didn&#039;t happen. Front office personnel are on the phone with each other all year long. If all the phone calls and conversations were leaked to various media outlets, the deluge of rumors would saturate and permeate everything. We wouldn&#039;t even know who made the playoffs for trying to keep up with the rumors.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astro Joe,</p>
<p>Excellent point about our offense being better during the regular season, then falling apart in the playoffs and going right back to Joe. The $64,000 question (if you&#8217;re playing &#8220;The Weakest link&#8221; or some other similar gameshow) is &#8220;why?&#8221; </p>
<p>In the face of adversity or simply tougher-than-normal conditions, people tend to &#8220;rise to the occasion&#8221; less, and are &#8220;reduced to their level of training&#8221; more. Of course, that usually leads to another round of our usual blame game around here, but that can&#8217;t be helped. : )</p>
<p>OH, and you know Woody is just not that short-winded when he&#8217;s asked a question. Unless he&#8217;s being interviewed by Jeff Schultz&#8230;. <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By the way, I think you should make &#8220;ATTACK THE RIM&#8221; your tag line. Snazzy. Hip. Dope. Or however it&#8217;s said these days. I like it. </p>
<p>Sam From the Swats, </p>
<p>I agree that Josh gets a lot of flack, more than the guys drafted ahead of him. At the same time, <strong> Joe </strong> is right. It&#8217;s less about draft position by now, and more about showing what they are truly capable of. Marvin is no game changer. Josh is. That doesn&#8217;t mean Marvin&#8217;s no good. But it does mean that more is expected out of Josh, who is clearly capable at this point of having a much more dynamic effect on any given game, on any given night. </p>
<p>By the way, unless you&#8217;ve talked to every single GM and/or front office personnel of every team, you can&#8217;t possibly know that no teams were interested in Marvin. Just because it wasn&#8217;t reported doesn&#8217;t mean it didn&#8217;t happen. Front office personnel are on the phone with each other all year long. If all the phone calls and conversations were leaked to various media outlets, the deluge of rumors would saturate and permeate everything. We wouldn&#8217;t even know who made the playoffs for trying to keep up with the rumors&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>newkid

The answer to your question depends on whether Sund has thrown in the towel as viewed by Woody. If those are the signals from Sund, then perhaps Woody is just executing Plan B. However, if those are not the signals from Sund, then you make a valid point. One scenario in a Plan B PR-blitz is that it will demonstrate to Joe Smith agent a willingness to move on. One weakness in Joe Smith’s strategy is if both Hawks and the Cavs move on and he has no more suitors. The Cavs really can do without an expensive third option PF is perhaps the reason they have not made the deal happen by now. However, the more the Hawks retreat from pursuing Smith, the more it strengthens the Cavs negotiation hand with him.

This deal should have been made to order for Sund since the competing Cavs are in L Tax land and have acquired Moon to be their backup PF option. Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>newkid</p>
<p>The answer to your question depends on whether Sund has thrown in the towel as viewed by Woody. If those are the signals from Sund, then perhaps Woody is just executing Plan B. However, if those are not the signals from Sund, then you make a valid point. One scenario in a Plan B PR-blitz is that it will demonstrate to Joe Smith agent a willingness to move on. One weakness in Joe Smith’s strategy is if both Hawks and the Cavs move on and he has no more suitors. The Cavs really can do without an expensive third option PF is perhaps the reason they have not made the deal happen by now. However, the more the Hawks retreat from pursuing Smith, the more it strengthens the Cavs negotiation hand with him.</p>
<p>This deal should have been made to order for Sund since the competing Cavs are in L Tax land and have acquired Moon to be their backup PF option. Enough said.</p>
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