Extension talks for Joe

Joe Johnson in a Hawks uniform for a few more years sounds pretty good to most folks. The Hawks are talking to Johnson's camp about an extension.

HAWKSVILLE - Might the Hawks be interested in keeping captain and All-Star Joe Johnson off of the robust free agent market of 2010?

It seems so.

Multiple sources have confirmed that Hawks general manager Rick Sund is on an extended trip to the left coast, and part of his itinerary includes time in Los Angeles for face-to-face talks about a contract extension with Johnson’s camp (I mentioned this on Twitter late last night after hearing for sure that this was going on). A three-time All-Star, Johnson is heading into the final year of the five-year, $70 million deal he signed in August 2005 (which if traced back, you will realize was the rebirth of the franchise that has since made the playoffs in back-to-back years).

With superstars LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh headlining next summer’s free agent crop, several teams are lining up to be major players. And that means more competition for the Hawks, were they to let Johnson get to next summer as an unrestricted free agent.

There’s plenty of time for these talks to progress, training camp is still nearly two months away. Just knowing that they are talking, though, is a good sign that the Hawks plan on taking a proactive approach where JJ is concerned. Stay tuned for more details in the coming weeks.

Speaking of training camp, it appears blog-fav/road grader Garret Siler is headed back to the city for training camp, per our friends at the Augusta Chronicle. The big fella had a good showing at the Hawks’ rookie/free agent mini-camp last month. He was mulling training camp invite offers from both the Hawks and Minnesota, but the Timberwolves’ pursuit of Ryan Hollins helped make his decision a little easier.

The need for a veteran big like Joe Smith remains, but at least we know there will at least one true “big man” (6-11 or taller and at least 270 pounds) in camp along with Zaza Pachulia.

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Melvin

August 5th, 2009
10:14 am

Hopefully we can get Joe extentsion done. So what’s up with Marvin? Is it safe to assume that Hawks has a verbal agreement with him (considering Sund is meeting with JJ’s camp) or have they broken off talks?

Mike

August 5th, 2009
10:15 am

Enough talk…let’s get things done. Finalize the Marvin deal, get Joe Smith in and give Joe an extension. The last thing we want all season is talk about whether Joe is staying or going.

With Joe Smith our 10 man rotation is set.
Bibby, Teague
Joe, Crawford
Marvin, Mo
Josh, Joe Smith
Al, Zaza
Not bad and we would finally have some experienced depth…Then we can fill the final spots with Siler, Hunter, West and another guard.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
10:21 am

Sekou- way to crank out the info. Good to have you back working for us.
Now, we just need some updates on the Joe Smith front. C’mon man you know you can tell us, we won’t let it slip. Ha!
What else is Sund up to on his West Coast trip? Is this vacation time?

smartguy

August 5th, 2009
10:22 am

Extend him? Trade him.

…and fire Woody.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
10:24 am

Anakin Joe- from previous blog. Evans contract is expiring this year too, I thought.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
10:27 am

nevermind he is signed through next year. sorry about that.

[...] Hawks are exploring contract talks with guard Joe Johnson, according to my long lost twin Sekou Smith, and theoretically an extension could be worth in excess of $75 million over five years [...]

aaron

August 5th, 2009
10:41 am

Sekou,

Read an espn analysis of our roster saying we’d have jamal starting at the 2 and moving joe to 3, Al at 4, and ZaZa starting at center…bringing Josh and Marvin off the bench. Josh off the bench is not a good idea for alot of reasons in my opinion and ZaZa is not starter material. Woody doesn’t consider that an option right? Just want to confirm it was the journalist’s ideas and not ours.

C

August 5th, 2009
10:43 am

Good idea. He is underappreciated by most Hawks fans, but without him we would be back to a 30 win team.

Willie Coyote

August 5th, 2009
10:49 am

Extending him and signing Marvin would ensure we have a solid team for the next several years (barring serious injury or other problems). Does it make the Hawks championship contenders though? Also, will re-signing Horford or other future free agents be financially feasible with the $ already allocated to our guys over the next 5 years?

I’m not complaining, I just hope that casting our lot with our core will result in a title. They will definitely have to do it like Detroit did a few years back.

Ernest

August 5th, 2009
10:49 am

Sekou:

Welcome back from vacation! You may be like myself, I looked forward to getting back to ‘work’ to get some ‘rest’ :)

Good to hear that the Hawks are looking to extend JJ. This also sends a strong message to the rest of the league by keeping our core together. This should be received well and may open their eyes to the Hawks.

That said, just read the Garret Siler will come to camp with the Hawks. While I’m not putting a lot into it, it does provide another big body for the team to bang with. RandMo has got to show he deserves to stay if he wants to remain in the league. Let’s hope he is up to the challenge.

While I would obviously want to see Joe Smith in a Hawks jersey next season, there are a few more veterans that might agree for the role we are seeking. The Collins twins come to mind. I also wonder if Earl Barron at camp did enough to warrant a second look. He finished strong for the Heat a few season ago.

jake

August 5th, 2009
10:55 am

a1andonly

August 5th, 2009
10:56 am

Joe is worth the money. Now that he has help, it opens the floor for all of the other players to expand there game. Joe Smith and Garrett Siler would be great pick-ups. Don’t forget Flip. Remember, he saved us from plenty of losses last season. The Hawks are the team to watch this season. Nobody expects them to do well and thats great motivation. Smartguy needs to find a new blog to rip Joe on….He’s one of the best players in the league. Even the doubters will admit that.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
10:56 am

Earnest- RandMo has clearly shown that he does not belong in the league. No training camp will change that.

Glenn

August 5th, 2009
10:59 am

An extension after that playoff performance ? I guess the thinking is we can maybe sign him on the cheap . Boy he stunk in the post season .

Sekou Smith

August 5th, 2009
11:01 am

Aaron, stop reading whatever it is you read. That’s nonsense, to put it kindly.

aaron

August 5th, 2009
11:02 am

both collins twins? room for both?

BrittishAnger

August 5th, 2009
11:03 am

I think the move to setup a contract extension is a smart move by Ricky Sund; rather than having to worry about competition stealing Joe away and leaving it up to ASG to replace him (good luck with that butterball), better to lock him up now and then work with what little money we’ll have remaining on securing the RFA’s and replacing the UFA’s (short of what we can get in next years draft with that extra pic from Houston).

You know I’m happy Siler will be back for training camp, good news indeed Sekou. Randolph is gonna have a fun time fighting the kid for minutes, but hopefully both will provide for the team in their own way (I will admit Morris’ jumper looks more confident than it did at times last season). Keep up the good work, Mr. Smith.

J.J.M.

August 5th, 2009
11:06 am

If we get joe and marvin signed that just leaves horford next season to be signed hmmm wonder how much horford is worth…any ideas?

Pete A

August 5th, 2009
11:08 am

Extending Joe is defintely needed. This core is solid and needs to be kept together since 3 of the keys are young. The tricky thing being overlooked is the Crawford deal is gonna probably push us over the luxury tax line next year – that’s got to impact what they can offer Joe. Will ownership really go for paying the tax when only the Lakers, Cavs and Celtics sell out games?

After getting Marvin, Joe, and hopefully Joe Smith done, Sund needs to seriously evaluate Woodson. He’s done some nice things but he still can’t reach Josh and the offense is stagnant an unimaginative.

BK

August 5th, 2009
11:10 am

Sekou –

What will extending JJ do to our salary/payroll/cap? Will we have any money to go after anyone next summer? It just sounds like we’re still just trying to keep the same guys year in and year out for the foreseeable future…(Which isn’t bad, I’d just like to see some new to the Hawks (yet proven) talent in the starting 5)

Anakin Joe

August 5th, 2009
11:12 am

Some guys just “get it”. An excerpt from the Orlando Sentinel:

Howard just wants to clear up one thing: Despite all the fun he’s been having, he said he’s focusing on his game. Two training specialists — Bryan Meyer and Korey McCray — have accompanied the 23-year-old superstar as he has crisscrossed North America. Meyer, a trainer who works at RDV Sportsplex, helps Howard with strength and conditioning. McCray, who played point guard at Mercer University, assists Howard with his free-throw shooting and moves on the court.

“Hakeem Olajuwon had the Dream Shake, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the Sky Hook, and we’re working on a go-to move for Dwight,” McCray said. “He has an unbelievable work ethic. He’s Superman in Orlando. He’s Superman in the NBA. But he works to be Superman. He just doesn’t wake up and put on a Magic uniform. He works at it.”

Meyer and McCray said they each work with Howard for about an hour to 90 minutes five or six days a week.

Tony

August 5th, 2009
11:16 am

I agree with u Jeff.Do not resign Joe just yet. Let him play it out. First of all lets be honest JOE IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. What you see is what you get. Picture him as the cornerstone of this franchise?! Now picture Lebron or D-Wade. Get the picture?! He is not a superstar!!! Just like Barkley said “He is just a good player”. Holla. I love Joe but we will not go anywhere w/o Josh Smith and AL and Marvin are the key because Joe cannot do it alone. I would let Joe go BEFORE Josh Smith anyday. Don’t hate. Josh Smith can alter the game on both ends. You can talk about his maturity all you want. But Joe cannot control the game like Josh can. Josh is just some maturity away from being this teams best player (holla). To those offended I’m sorry.ATL 4 Life.

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
11:17 am

BK- If they give him roughly the same contract, then it does nothing to our team’s cap situation. Now, a shrinking cap number will have an effect, which will be equally shared across the league. A lot of these teams(clevlan, boston) with high priced aging veterans will really be in the weeds then. So, to sign a young player who has been a cornerstone to the teams success is smart business. Clearly, Joe deserves more money than Josh, so his contract has to stay in the 14 mil range.

Sean

August 5th, 2009
11:21 am

Sekou, any news on Joe Smith? Are we still pursuing him still?

Daniel

August 5th, 2009
11:22 am

Tony- your comments don’t make any sense. How does extended Joe’s contract affect Josh, Marvin and Al. They are all under contract (or be extended, like Marvin). It is not an either or situation. No joe is not the same player that Lebron or D.Wade is (he is also not as whiny), but that doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the better players in the league. Max type contract players come in more varieties than just Kobe and Lebron. See the NBA has the contract structure for players that limits how teams pay them…. well obviously you have no idea how this thing works.

aaron

August 5th, 2009
11:25 am

joe doesn’t give you highlights like lebron or d wade but he does give us cornerstone production. Unfortunately, his playoff run wasn’t the best but alot of factors created that scenario…the offense, injuries, too many minutes etc…. Joe is underrated as a player in the NBA! He is not Lebron or Jordan. But you can build around him. Until Josh shows that he can evolve into his full potential, he doesn’t deserve to be the foundation of the team.

Travis Hansen & Chris Crawford

August 5th, 2009
11:31 am

Do you know how long of an extension they’re talking about?
3 years or less would be good, longer then that I don’t like it. I just think it’s a matter of time before JJ’s body starts to break down from all the minutes.
He can barely dunk the ball now.

a1andonly

August 5th, 2009
11:31 am

Thank you Daniel..Please explain how it works to these bloggers!

shannon

August 5th, 2009
11:32 am

Its Funny How everybody keeps dogging Joe.. He was the reason why the hawks finally made it back to the Playoffs. Oh and remember Game 7 of of the 1st round against the Miami Heat.. Who showed up, JJ or Wade?

Tony

August 5th, 2009
11:34 am

Daniel did you READ what I said? Obviously you didn’t!!!

Tony

August 5th, 2009
11:36 am

Guys why are you all stuck on Joe. I like Joe as a player but I’m simply saying we cannot get to the championship w/o Marvin, Josh, and AL playing at a high level.

darrell starks

August 5th, 2009
11:42 am

I no im talking about high school but when howard and morris played against each other at the tech coliseum morris dominated howard, i just think if morris put his mind to it and get with some one during the summer to help him improve his game he can become a good solid player.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Anakin Joe

August 5th, 2009
11:45 am

Tony, I don’t understand, what do Al, Marvin & Josh have to do with extending Joe? Are you suggesting that they can’t become better players if Joe is still around?

Kevin M

August 5th, 2009
11:46 am

Looks like Joe Smith will have to have the door closed on him in Cleveland for him to leave there and we give him a 1 year. Not a big boost, but with so few available, I just want some experience off the bench.
Woodson will get his extension. JJ will get his money. We are going to go with who brought us this far. Sund walked into a good situation and should be able to keep the core moving forward.
We could use some help at the 3 still should we be unable to get 81 games out of Marvin. We need someone to help slow down LeBron and DWade.

darrell starks

August 5th, 2009
11:56 am

Randolph morris is only 23 years old wow if only he can just focus more and get with the right teacher.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Traceman

August 5th, 2009
11:57 am

Tony, a 5 yr/$75M deal doesn’t say that JJ is equal to Kobe, LeBron or D Wade. That is not max money and all 3 of those guys will get max money. LeBron and D Wade both have player options for $17,149,243 next year and Kobe has a player option for $24,806,250 next year. If we start JJ at $15M next year, he will be making AT LEAST $10M per season less than Kobe. As for LeBron and D Wade, I’m not sure what their extensions will be for but you can be SURE they will be offered 6 yr extensions worth the maximum available.

I’m guessing max salaries next year for LeBron and D Wade will be somewhere in the 6yr/$130M range based on a starting salary of $17,149,123 with the maximum allowable $10.5% range each year. If those guys are worth 6 yrs/$130M, JJ is damn sure worth 5 yrs/$75M. He’s probably worth 5 yrs/$80M. I would bet he will command that on the open market next year.

Eric

August 5th, 2009
11:59 am

I like the Joe Johnson Josh Smith combination. Josh brings that excitement with sick dunks and block shots, and Joe adds steady consistant scoring. Get Joe signed now before other teams get involed next off season, build around these two guys.

Traceman

August 5th, 2009
11:59 am

reference my post above, make that “10.5% percent RAISE” not RANGE.

TRUTH-SERUM

August 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

Anakin Joe

August 5th, 2009
11:12 am

CAN YOU HELP THE HAWKS GET A REAL BIG MAN SO THEY CAN COMPETE SERIOUSLY. WITH THIS TEAM OF POWERFORWARD AND GUARDS THEY WILL BE A LOT LIKE THE DALLAS MAVERICK AND THE PHONIEX SUNS, GOOD BUT NO CHAMPIONSHIP AND NO FINALIST. CANT WIN WITHOUT A CENTER AND JOE SMITH IS NOT THE MAN. HE POSES NO OFFENSIVE THREAT IN THE LOW POST. JON KONCAK, I MEAN ZAZA THE HUMAN TURNOVER IS THE MOST UNATHELETIC MAN IN BASKETBALL FEATURING A 3″ VERTICAL LEAP, NEITHER IS HE AN OFFENSIVE THREAT. THE HAWKS ARE WEAK, VERY WEAK AT THE CENTER POST AND MOST TEAMS EXPLIOT THEM THERE, ASK 5′10″ TONY PARKER. THE BIRDS WILL LOOK GOOD AGAINST MEDIOCRE TEAM BUT WILL BE FORCED OUT OF THE PAINT ASGAINST REAL TEAMS. JUST ASK JOSH SMITH.

Eric

August 5th, 2009
12:03 pm

Randolph Morris is garbage, he shouldn’t be on a N.B.A. roster!!!

ILL-logical

August 5th, 2009
12:03 pm

Had Woodson / management played Othello Hunter and Randolph Morris in the NDBL over the last couple of years, would we be having these conversations about the need for frontcourt help?

Consider this, no player gets better sitting on the bench. Despite Woodson’s statements to the effect that all of the bench players need to stay ready for their opportunity, guys like Solo, Othello and Randolph had very few opportunities to hone their skills under the current regime.

The only gauge of their respective abilities that we the fans have had is Woodson’s opinion. And frankly, I am not sure his credibility is intact in these matters.

The point: If Garret Siler is to ever become a productive NBA player, he has to be strategically developed. A dedicated coach/ consultant; NDBL time and patience. Otherwise, he will become just another guy left on the bench while the fans acream where’s the beef!

Tony

August 5th, 2009
12:04 pm

Johnny is right. You cannot afford to keep all those guys. C’mon people. Let’s see what happens.

Anakin Joe

August 5th, 2009
12:11 pm

Al won’t likely get a raise until Crawford is off the books, which will happen the summer that Al becomes a RFA. So yes, we can afford to pay Joe his money. We just won’t be able to afford much more than a scrub big man until Mo’s $2.5M is done in the summer of 2011. Unless, we trade for an expiring contract before the February trade deadline.

Khao$

August 5th, 2009
12:17 pm

Sekou,does Sund being out of town to discuss Joe impact Marvin’s resigning this week in any way? I just find it odd that he’d be in Cali on the cusp of resigning an important FA.

darrell starks

August 5th, 2009
12:26 pm

Eric what big man isn’t garbage?
go hawks!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 5th, 2009
12:29 pm

Eric if you think a 34 year joe smith who is garbage is going to help the hawks then your in a rude of waking.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ray

August 5th, 2009
12:29 pm

Oh dear. The ugly Crawford contract rears its head again. Now Horford can’t get a raise. Wow. Sund has doomed this team.

Last Cracker in East Point

August 5th, 2009
12:32 pm

Resigning Joe would be a great idea. It would rank up there with the Koncak contract in my mind. I sure do miss watching Koncak patrol the paint with those darn sexy legs.

Hawksgirl

August 5th, 2009
12:33 pm

JJ’s play sorta does depend on how smoove horford and marv play. What im sayin is that when jj is on the floor they have a different mentality than when he isnt……..Their of course breaking out of it now, smith carrying the team or al carries the team in some games. But there are times where it depends on jj. Usually when he has a “bad” game, his teammates have a better one. I dont think he always has bad games, i think he just chooses to pass rather than shoot which is of course why his ppg went down. He chooses to give someone else the ball and give other guys a chance so the team just doesnt depend on one guy………Just my thoughts for now….

I also think rextending or talks of extending his contract right now is good. Especially since he will be on the market and planty teams want this 3 time allstar that practically turned his team 360.