Once again it’s on!

Josh Smith (left) and Al Horford need some help in the Hawks' frontcourt, and they need it now.

Josh Smith (left), Al Horford and Zaza Pachulia (not pictured) need some help in the Hawks' frontcourt, now not later. The Help Wanted sign has been up for months.

HAWKSVILLE - You disappear for 10 days (or at least try), and you expect things to change a little bit.

And they did, in many places.

Lamar Odom finally rejoined the Los Angeles Lakers, making them the odds on favorite to defend their title with both he and Ron Artest in the mix with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol.

Tyson Chandler (Charlotte) and Emeka Okafor (New Orleans) traded places, each giving their new teams an interesting jolt as well as some financial flexibility (now for the luxury tax-strapped Hornets and in two years for the on-the-market Bobcats). It’s hard to tell who made out better, though pundits from both cities – John DeShazier in the Big Easy and Scott Fowler in Charlotte – are claiming victory, proof that there bi-partisan punditry extends all the way to the NBA.

Hakim Warrick was tossed aside by Memphis and picked up by Milwaukee in a matter of days, and in a somewhat similar move (both players had their qualifying offers rescinded, allowing them to become unrestricted free agents immediately) Solomon Jones left the nest for a two-year deal with the Indiana Pacers.

About the only place where things have stayed the same is here, in the ‘Ville.

Marvin Williams still hasn’t signed a new deal (though, I suspect that will be rectified before week’s end). Joe Smith is still a free agent (the longer he stays that way, the tougher it will be for the Hawks to land him because the competition will grow). There is still so much time for things to take shape between now and training camp, so I’m sensitive about sounding the panic alarm too soon. But if Josh Smith, Al Horford and Zaza Pachulia put a help wanted sign between now and then, it should be understood. They need some help (for the millionth time this summer). And they need it as soon as possible. Horford and I had a conversation about that a few weeks back on the practice court at Philips Arena, our gabbing interrupting his workout with Hawks assistant coach Ty Hill. Horford knows that the more help they have the better chance they have of being fresh and injury free come playoff time, and I’m sure you remember what the Hawks looked like last year on wounded knee, ankle and hamstring and back and everything else in that Cleveland series.

A simple but sobering two-line email from my main man Stoned Mountain this morning reminded me that I was officially back on the clock: 

What have we done to shore up the frontcourt? We figure to get shoved around by everybody but Miami.

That’s probably a tad harsh. By keeping everyone but Flip Murray (and Solo) from the main playing rotation last year while also adding Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague, certainly keeps the Hawks among the Eastern Conference’s playoff crew. Holding down that fourth spot, however, would appear to be a tougher call. With Toronto, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Miami, Washington and Charlotte all gunning for the Hawks’ spot, things could get sticky.

My main man DH, a Sixers loyalist, think I’m being a bit presumptuous to assume that the pack has caught up to the Hawks:

Who do you think they’ll be fighting with for that 4th spot? Philly didn’t get better. Chicago didn’t get better. Miami didn’t get better. Toronto got a little better, but still isn’t as good as the Hawks … remember we’re talking about them holding onto the 4th spot, not challenging for the No. 1 spot. The additions of Crawford and Teague and the re-signings of Bibby, Marvin and yes, Zaza, are better than what any of the teams you mention (above) did. So yes, I see the Hawks as better than all of those teams, just as they were last year.

Really? Does it look that good to you? The cynic in me (yeah, Blog Z is preparing for a pre-training camp return, once the Hawks finalize the roster) doesn’t allow for that sort of positive rhetoric this time of year. I see the Hawks’ road to maintaining being much tougher than it appears to some. What say you (and I’ll try my best to answer any lingering questions you’ve had since we last went at it)?

168 comments Add your comment

KevinA

August 3rd, 2009
9:06 pm

I must have missed something, who signed Flip?

Sautee

August 3rd, 2009
9:17 pm

A Tribe Called Quest,

You made this statement: “If you guys want to argue about the same crap for 5 months in a row, then EXCHANGE EMAIL ADDRESSES so I can read some worthwhile posts, not some 20 page short stories containing baseless banter”

Is THAT factually accurate? 20 page short stories? Haven’t seen ‘em, but I’ve been away for a few days.

And who knew that having “a greater influence on readers” was the point here?

I thought (stupid me) that this was a basketball blog where we discussed the Hawks and other tangential issues. Now I find that REALLY we were supposed to be trying to “influence readers”. Huh?

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2009
9:30 pm

Boston signs Rasheed and Shelden Williams, Cleveland signed Shaq, Moon and Anthony Parker, Orlando signed Brandon Bass and Matt Barnes and traded VC for Hedo.

I know there might be some Chemistry issues with these teams, but I think the gap between the top 3 and the rest of the East got wider. Woody has campaigned for another big, but it seems like Sund is ok with where we are, because I fail to understand why we cant offer another mil or so (or another year) to Joe Smith’s contract.

I would hate for the Hawks to sit around and wait for Joe Smith to say yes (or no), while all the other bigs sign elsewhere. Some of us were also in favor for the Hawks to make an offer to Ryan Hollins, but since Minny made an offer, I guss that ship has sailed.

Although Crawford will help take pressure off JJ, (and if we lose JJ next year to free agency, Crawford could be a decent fall back plan), we need another big to improve our chances of challenging the top 3 teams.

KevinA

August 3rd, 2009
9:34 pm

niremetal,
I think Woody did much better last year at getting the front court and Marvin more shots. Injury to Marvin/Al/Josh kinda crimped the team from going more in that direction.

A couple of years ago the young studs were simply not good enough to rely on. This year is really a different situation. I think the youngsters Josh/Al/Marvin/ZaZa have grown up and increased their skills giving Woody more options.

I hope Crawford has a great year. I do get nervous when I here the word high volume in association with not only Crawford but Bibby and JJ.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
9:37 pm

Yeah, Harrington’s time here pretty much seems as distant in my memory as the Nixon administration. There have been 3 full seasons played since he left. And most of Harrington’s touches came on the perimeter, just like with Josh and Diaw. Hmmmmmm…pattern?

And in any case, that doesn’t explain why we never see plays run for Horford, Josh, or Marvin today. THAT was the point that I was making. Since Harrington left, we see maybe 2-3 plays per game run through the low post. Again, why don’t you address THAT instead of trying to seize on my obvious hyperbole in another one of your many straw man knockouts.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
10:01 pm

KevinA,

I didn’t see Al getting the ball much more last year than the year before, except very late in the year when Marvin was out and Joe was gimpy. And if you’re one who looks for stats to back up the visual perception, then here ’tis:

1) Marvin: His FG attempts were down 1.3 per game from ‘07-’08. Can’t really blame the injury, because that didn’t happen until March, and even if you view his Nov-Feb stats in isolation, his FGA were still down.

2) Smoove: His FG attempts were down 1.7 per game from ‘07-’08. Can’t blame it on the injury – his attempts were roughly flat throughout the year, and his highest FGA month was actually January. In Feb-April, his attempts actually went down.

3) Horford: His FG attempts were up 0.6 per game from ‘07-’08. But if you just look at his stats from Nov-Feb (before JJ got gimpy and Marvin went out), his FG attempts were basically the same. But I will grant that Al got 2-3 more touches per game in the post towards the end of the year – I hope that continues into this year, except even moreso.

I HOPE I’m wrong – no one has been a bigger proponent of running more offense through the frontcourt than me. But I’m not optimistic.

jhan

August 3rd, 2009
10:06 pm

Oh no, Ryan Hollins didn’t sign with the Hawks!! We don’t have a prayer now. We are doomed for sure.

If we’re not going to sign any legit bigs, I would advocate resigning Flip to trade him at a later date. Flip would probably sign a 3/$6M deal. Some team that has injuries next year would surely give up something of value for Flip.

Getting a legitimate center for the Hawks comes back to the age-old question: Do you trade Josh or Marvin to make room for the center? Until that time Al Horford will be our center & ZaZa will be his back-up. Could be a lot worse than that.

Anakin Joe

August 3rd, 2009
10:09 pm

nire, those are the warts that used to consume me. Stuff like who gets touches, his idiotic policy regarding 2 1st quarter fouls, his thoughtless substitution of Marvin (regardless of game situation), etc. But then I looked up and we were headed to the playoffs. So I realized that if I spent that much attention to what every other coach does, I would likely find warts on them too. But who cares? I just wanted a playoff team after a decade of being in the lottery.

Sure, I’d like for our frontcourt to get more touches. I was the one who often discussed the concept of “organic growth” and expanded roles. And adding Crawford seems to make that more challenging. (I don’t think you bring in Crawford and ask him to be Jose Calderon, that’s poor coaching). But I just want to win. I don’t care if Jamal Crawford takes every shot in the second half. Just win baby. And trade Crawford for Jared Jeffries.

A Tribe Called Quest

August 3rd, 2009
10:15 pm

Sautee, I didn’t say that was the objective. The underlying intent was to show that my posts are more worthwhile than useless 3 paragraph posts about Jamal Crawford. Sorry if your pea-sized brain cannot intake such exquisitely difficult information

Hoops

August 3rd, 2009
10:17 pm

Anakin Joe,

I agree with you on a possible trade coming. You may be onto something with Thomas and Thompson. We may need a draft pick with that trade. We’ll see! There are many more possibilities as well.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
11:05 pm

Never in a million years would I trade Josh Smith if all I was getting back was Jason Thompson and Kenny Thomas. Even if you throw in the Kings’ surefire lottery pick, that’s not enough. It doesn’t make the team any better. At all.

The Truth

August 3rd, 2009
11:16 pm

Sekou Smith: Sources: Hawks will finally get deal done with Marvin Williams this week. Over 6 hours ago.

Source:HoopsHype

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
11:23 pm

Anakin,

Those warts still consumed me because I didn’t tune out when we were headed for the playoffs. I kept watching as our overly predictable offense got shut down every time that Joe’s jumper wasn’t falling for him. I kept watching as our worn out starters got gimpy and never healed because Woody kept playing them 40 minutes a night. And I kept watching when our worn-out and banged-up 8-man rotation got blown out in 7 of 11 playoff games.

You can blame all that on the injuries if you want. But I have a feeling that even fully healthy, we were bound to get our asses handed to us as long as our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option on offense was “Give the ball to JJ and let him do his thing.” Predictable teams can make the playoffs, but they never make it far once they get there.

When football teams run the ball on every play, the defense eventually will put 8 men in the box. Usually the offense will then adjust and throw some passes to keep them honest. Woody is kinda like a football coach who just keeps running the ball up the middle even after the D starts putting 8 in the box – he keeps giving the ball to JJ even after the defense starts doubling him on every play. We have a ceiling as long as Woody runs the offense almost entirely through his backcourt because good defenses (which you’re bound to encounter in the playoffs) adjust too easily to that.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
11:24 pm

(And of course, injuries are more likely to happen when you play your starters 40 minutes a game…)

niremetal

August 4th, 2009
12:01 am

And Sekou,

My loathing for the Wizards brass knows no bounds. I agree that if they stay at 100% health, they have a lot of weapons. But NO team can completely avoid injuries over the course of the year, and lthough Haywood/Blatche/McGee is an iffy frontcourt even if they’re all healthy. And their best perimeter defender by FAR is Stevenson, who won’t be getting many/any minutes given their overload at the wing positions. Butler is a good defender, but he was exposed far too often this year when Stevenson went down and Butler had to guard the opposing team’s best perimeter player (a task that used to go to Stevenson).

I can see them racking up points in the backcourt. But I don’t see them stopping anyone from scoring, because their D is weak inside and out. I just can’t see a team making it out of the lottery with Blatche and McGee both playing key roles in their frontcourt rotation…

Ken Strickland

August 4th, 2009
12:53 am

If we don’t sign Joe Smith, look for us to add filler to complete the roster. Ownership might choose to wait until the trade deadline to see how the team has faired before committing big money to acquire a quality big. They might also want to see how much improvement RMorris has achieved and if he can traslate it into solid contributions. Considering the limited mins a #2 Big off the bench will receive under Woodson, it might not be such a bad idea, especially from a financial standpoint.

If Crawford gets Flips mins, and we reduce Bibby and JJ’s mins, while playing Teague about 15MPG, I don’t think JJ will have problems with fatigue, or facing too many double teams. The problem with Flip is he didn’t have a gm without the ball, and that didn’t help JJ at all, especially when he had the ball. Crawford can be effective with or without the ball and that’s a tremendous benefit for JJ. And if Teague is in the gm, and JJ is doubled, he can either shoot over the DEF, like Bibby, or he can make them pay by taking it to the basket, unlike Bibby.

niremetal

August 4th, 2009
12:56 am

Co-sign Ken.

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
1:27 am

I don’t understand you guys’ logic about Flip Murray not being effective w/o the ball. It’s pure lunacy.

Correct me if i’m wrong, but there is NO movement/motion in our offenive scheme AT ALL. How is that Flips fault? Now I know Flip isn’t the greatest 3pt shooter, but 36% is a decent clip. I mean, the guy knocked down his fair share of them. He stood out there waiting for JJ to pass him the rock just like everyone else did. When JJ wasn’t on the floor, WE NEEDED another agressive player who could get wherever he wanted on the court. That’s when Flip took over, and we NEEDED that. Someone had to do it and he was the best man for the job at the time, and he played that role well for us.

Daniel, Flip is a better dinker than crawford…you said Crafrod is better than flip in every category, I’d have to argue that Flip is a better defender as well, of course I can’t prove that but my eyes don’t deceive me very often. If I turned the ball over on offense and I had Flip and Crawford coming at me, i’d be more afraid of flip dunking on me and getting the and 1; than I would be of Crawford pulling up for a transition three or trying to complete a layup over me(he rarely dunks…just not in his blood….he’s no goon, that’s for sure).

DISCLAIMER: this was not a “Bring Flip back” post. I’m just dicussing some of my differing opinoions concerning Mr.Murray which aren’t shared by some of you. Just wanted to make that clear, so don’t hit me with the “we don’t need flip” arguement.

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
1:29 am

Daniel, please ignore that post. It was actually meant for Doug sorry.

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
1:30 am

…And flip is a better *Dunker

LOL@ Dinker

niremetal

August 4th, 2009
1:33 am

Ariose,

We don’t need Flip ;)

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
2:09 am

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
2:10 am

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
2:25 am

I should’ve known someone would do it hehehehe….

Stating the Obvious

August 4th, 2009
2:37 am

Things we’ve learned this week:

1) The Hawks still don’t have a big man (wtf?)
2) The Hawks still haven’t announced who they’re brining back for training camp from minicamp.
3) The only consolation to 1 and 2 is that the East still sucks, and everyone outside CLE/ORL/Bos has no frontcourt depth either, which means that “Stoned Mountain” got it wrong when he says the Hawks will be pushed around unless he thinks that Charlie V and Dan Gadzuric will suddenly grow a pair.
4) “A Tribe Called Quest” doesn’t understand the purpose of a sports blog.

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
2:42 am

Ken, I agree with you about our bigs. If we don’t get joe, it would be smarter to wait it out and gauge the progression of our younger front court guys than to just impusively throw money at the next best available Free Agent big. Besides, Siler and Morris are both longer than Glenn Davis(though I wouldn’t mind him either, but he doesn’t necessarily slove our reboungig/length problem).

HEY!!! NY needs a Guard and We need a good big!! S%T Flip “Goon-Squad” Murray for David Lee. Now, don’t go killing me for that one lol. I know the numbers would probably never work out, especially with the kind of money Lee is asking for…and then theres the BYC…ugh. Besides, NY doesn’t want to give Lee up, especially not for a 29 year old guard, when they won’t even pay Nate Robinson the $$ he’s asking for. But it’s a thought. OOH S&T Joe Smith AND Flip Murray for David Lee, I think that kind-of closes the gap lol…but not by much.

Ariose

August 4th, 2009
2:46 am

I declare that Stating the Obvious is 100% correct. Meeting Adjourned!!!! ;-)

Ed

August 4th, 2009
4:46 am

Ole Slow Hand is just biding his time. Low-balling free agents but re-signing the Hawks own players. Sund must have a trade up his sleeve for him not to be more aggressive in signing Joe Smith. Smith would be a quality pickup and would benefit the Hawks in many ways.

darrell starks

August 4th, 2009
6:16 am

No disrespect to bibby but what it could have been if not the hawks sign him and use that money on other players.
STARTER CRAWFORD, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD.
BENCH TEAGUE, FLIP, MOE, CHARLIE VILLANUEVA, ZAZA.
RESERVE MARIO, SOLO.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 4th, 2009
6:27 am

With the current roster i say 6th seed at best unless horford on the blocks present better low post move and become more efficiency.
GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

August 4th, 2009
6:30 am

I hope horford this summer is really working hard on his game.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

Sekou Smith

August 4th, 2009
6:36 am

Hawks and the rest of the NBA schedules will be out this afternoon. Can’t wait to see what it has in store for the Hawks.

And obviously no team goes through a season 100 percent healthy, Nire, but quality depth can alleviate injury issues on most teams. It’s one of the reasons folks have been beating the drum about the Hawks’ need for depth in the frontcourt. Josh, Al and Marvin all missed significant time last season and the only time the team didn’t take a huge dip is when Marvin was out with the back injury (though I would argue that his limited presence in the playoffs didn’t allow the Hawks to work at full strength against either Miami or Cleveland.

Even if the Hawks have to dip into the c-list of bigs (Petro, Mihm, etc.), the depth is what’s important. You know Josh, Al and Zaza are going to play the majority of the minutes up front. What you need is guys good enough to spell them in good times and good enough to play in place of them for a stint (as Solo did last year when he moved into Zaza spot in the rotation when Josh was hurt), if absolutely necessary.

Ken Strickland

August 4th, 2009
6:59 am

ARIOSE-I believe there’s a bigger reason the Hawks didn’t tender Flip an offer and made replacing him their 1st move of the off season. I also don’t think bringing in Big Baby is a good idea either. He’s obviously a very sensitive and emotional player, and having to deal with Woodson’s in your face drill sargent approach to dealing with players wouldn’t be conducive to getting the most out of his talents. Woodson has retarded the growth of less sensitive young players than GDavis.

RealSquawk

August 4th, 2009
8:43 am

With the release of the schedule this morning I am officially worried. The NBA gave us a pretty nice schedule. One that really benefited a team that could not play consistently on the road. What happens if our longest home stint is four or five games.

Beck

August 4th, 2009
8:56 am

Please somebody answer me on this one. I’ve asked a few times to no avail:

What happened with Cenk Akyol?

Sekou – you better not be running off on anymore vacations or Mark Bradley is going to steal your thunder!

Daniel

August 4th, 2009
9:06 am

Good question Beck… I would like to know as well.

aaron

August 4th, 2009
9:07 am

Sekou,

Just read an older espn article written after the crawford deal implying we’d move joe to 3, al to 4, zaza to 5, and have josh and marvin off the bench. Does Woody see that as an option?…or just the journalist playing coach? For one, ZaZa isn’t a starter right? And Josh off the bench…not a good idea for alot of reasons. Appreciate your work.

Daniel

August 4th, 2009
9:34 am

Sekou- two questions: 1) I keep seeing reported (hoopsworld, espn, etc..) that the Marvin deal is all but done, is this true or are these outlets still reporting old information.
2) Also, reported that Joe Smith is more interested in the contract length than the money. He is asking for 2 years. Is this true? Surely, the Hawks would be willing to give him two years at 3-4 mil per year, that contract doesn’t really affect the team that much and he is older but never really an injury guy. Is this true? Are the Hawks really hung up on giving the guy a second year?

niremetal

August 4th, 2009
10:03 am

$3-4 million could make a BIG difference if the cap drops next year and makes it so that we’re cutting it very close in terms of whether re-signing JJ would put us into luxury cap land…

Sautee

August 4th, 2009
10:11 am

ATCQ,

So did my little pea brain miss something or did you claim that your posts are factually accurate while also accusing posters of writing “20 page short stories”?

Shall I list all the times you’ve failed to be “factually accurate”?

No, that could be a full time job. Just cool down and keep it real.

And remember that the blog is not about you, it’s about the Hawks. So there’s no need for ANY poster to cater to what YOU want. If you don’t like any particular post here, just do the drmaryb thing and scroll. baby, scroll.

I WILL say that you must have a low sense of self esteem if you feel you must strike out at those who disagree with you. Here’s an example:

According to you I’m a pea brain

Sautee

August 4th, 2009
10:26 am

ATCQ,

Geez, I hardly know where to start.

OK you just said this: “Sautee, I didn’t say that was the objective. The underlying intent was to show that my posts are more worthwhile than useless 3 paragraph posts about Jamal Crawford. Sorry if your pea-sized brain cannot intake such exquisitely difficult information”

Talk about missing your own point. So now I suppose the point of the blog is not to “influence readers” but instead to have posts that are “more worthwhile” than other posts. Tell me ATCQ, who exactly is measuring the worth of these posts?

Would it be the readers you’ve influenced? ;-)

If you feel you must attack those who disagree with you (”pea-sized brain cannot intake such exquisitely difficult information”) on a basketball blog, then you must REALLY be lacking in self-confidence. Do you come to this blog to talk basketball or to prove that you are somehow better than another poster?

C’mon man, join the party. You’ve got some points to make when you stop ranting (hint: I always skip over your posts when they are all in caps – seems like a shouting street corner preacher). So cool down and give us some of your wisdom and less of your venom.

Peace

Doug

August 4th, 2009
10:37 am

Ariose: We have been through the statistice…avg. FT attempts per game to dispel the thought that Flip is an “attack the basket assassin” while Jamal is a standstill jumpshooter…there is simply no evidence that this bears any relation to reality. Who dunks better?? I really don’t know…but I do know who is a better…scorer…ballhandler…distributor…FT shooter…creator and it is BY FAR…not even close Jamal! Again this is why Flip is still unemployed and was unemployed last year until late when the Hawks swooped in. Defensivley, neither will be confused with Gary Payton but what criteria you give Flip the edge is beyond me.

cdog

August 4th, 2009
10:50 am

TO ALL OF YOU FANS, I TOLD YOU THE PROBLEM WAS RICK SUND AND NOT MIKE WOODSON. AS LONG AS SUND IS GM THE HAWKS WILL SUFFER. EVERY TEAM IN THE EAST THAT IS AHEAD OF THE HAWKS HAS GOTTEN BETTER AND THEY’RE CONSTANTLY ADDING PLAYERS. WHAT IS SUND DOING?PLAYING GAMES THAT’S ALL. I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BLINDED YOU’RE SELF WITH SUND INCLUDING MARK BRADLEY. THE HAWKS WILL BE LUCKY TO GET THE 8TH SPOT NEXT YEAR IN FRONT OF NEW JERSEY. UNTIL SUND IS LET GO YOU FANS WILL SUFFER

terrell barron

August 4th, 2009
11:10 am

Hoops, I agree with everything you said, except the part about calling up Flip. We have no need whatsoever for Flip, imo. We sign Flip, what happens to Teague? You know how Woody prefers vets over youngsters. We need to start developing Teague YESTERDAY. I think this kid is going to be special. I dont want another drafted pg to rot on the bench. Honestly, I’m thinking Teague will force Woody to play him, even if Flip was here. He’s just that good. If Bibby gets nicked up, which will probaly happen at some point during the season, Teague will be ROY. I’m calling it now.

UGA

August 4th, 2009
11:13 am

So if we miss out on Joe Smith, this is who is left: Brian Skinner, Mikki Moore, Juwan Howard, Ben Wallace, the Collins twins, Petro, etc.

If we could get Wallace and Moore or Skinner or Petro that would not be terrible.

Wallace is not the same player he use to be, but he did have to come back from a broken leg last year. I saw Petro started 10 games for the Nuggets last year also. Joe Smith would be awesome, but if we could just acquire 2 more BIGS that would be great.

Melvin

August 4th, 2009
11:22 am

Minny gave Ryan Hollins a 3yr/7mil contract and it’s reported that the Mavs will not match it b/c it would cost them 14 mil b/c they are in luxury tax land. Less the 2.5M seems to be a reasonable contract for a young big. So why in the heck Hollins won’t be wearing a Hawks jersey this season is beyond me…

Anakin Joe

August 4th, 2009
11:32 am

UGA, we’re going to have to make ourselves happy with whomever Sund signs to complete the roster. Even if it is a collection of undrafted players from local community colleges.

terrell barron

August 4th, 2009
11:34 am

Sekou, we coulda picked up Sheldon as an undrafted free agent, and he still would’nt still be on this roster. Let alone only 10 slots later. Come on man. Shellhead is a BUST if there ever was one.

Anakin Joe

August 4th, 2009
11:40 am

TB, I’m looking forward to seeing how well Doc Rivers transforms Shelden into a Charles Oakley clone. We all know that the only reason young players fail wih the Hawks is because of Woody and his staff. :twisted:

Melvin

August 4th, 2009
11:43 am