
Might a Smith family reunion (of sorts) be in the works for Joe and Josh (no relation) this season with the Hawks? Time will tell. The Hawks are working on it, though.
THE OPEN ROAD - I’m not supposed to be here right now.
Seriously. I looked it up. Vacation is meant to be “leisure time away from work, devoted to rest or pleasure.”
But the phone doesn’t stop ringing because you want it to (next time, we all need to go on vacation together … or at least at the same time).
After being off the grid (mostly) for an entire family reunion weekend, I’ll admit that I’m a bit foggy on some of the details about what went on in Las Vegas for Josh Smith at the USA Basketball mini-camp and just about any other hot debate that’s gone on around here the past few days (and for the record, I’m told that despite a tepid performance in Saturday’s scrimmage, his time with the USA B’ball folks was a rousing success because it allowed quite a few people that weren’t familiar with him other than what they’ve seen, heard and read to get a much better for feel for him as a person and player).
But I do have some thoughts about a few other things, namely the Hawks’ mini-camp from last week, the state of negotiations with Marvin Williams and the Hawks’ continued pursuit of Joe Smith. So if you’ll forgive your host for leaving the party for a few days (technically, I’m on vacation until August – just in case Wifey decides to check the blog and see what we’ve got going on), here are some of my vacation visions:
JOE SMITH probably didn’t realize he had multiple stalkers until he left Atlanta Friday. That’s when the Hawks’ full court press for the veteran free agent’s signature shifted from face-to-face to long distance. Well, mostly long distance. The Hawks do have a secret weapon in Smith’s Phoenix backyard. Mike Bibby’s basketball royalty in the Valley. And he’s one of several Hawks working hard on the recruiting trail to bring Smith into the fold. Zaza Pachulia knows Smith well from their time together in Milwaukee and said he would use all his Euro-charm (at lunch Friday and beyond) to make sure Smith was aware of just how much he is wanted and needed by the Hawks. All that said, major work must be done to secure Smith’s signature on a contract. It’s not secret the Hawks aren’t paying the same rate for backup bigs that some other teams are (for example, Chris Wilcox got cash – $6 million over two years – in Detroit that he never could have from the Hawks. Same goes for Drew Gooden and the reported $4.5 mil he’ll bring in on a one-year deal with the Spurs). So they have to find ways (PLAYING TIME!!!!!!!!!!) to lure the kind of players they need to help bolster their cause. It probably helps that, in a summer marked by taking care of in-house business (home grown free agents), Smith is the first player outside of the family that the Hawks actually courted. Again, there is major work still to be done on this front.
YOU WERE WARNED THAT THINGS between the Hawks and Marvin Williams would drag out this summer. I wasn’t joking. Nothing has changed. The sides remain on opposite sides of the restricted free agent street right now. I know that other outlets reported that the sides were “close” and all that, but it’s just not true. The sides are talking. And they’ll be back at it this week. Anyone that sees an end in sight has X-ray vision, because I wouldn’t be surprised if things lasted deep into next month. Look back at the Hawks’ dealings with many of their own players in the past (I know Mike Bibby and Zaza coming back as quickly as they did had you juiced but that was out of the ordinary for the Hawks). It usually takes time, especially for restricted free agents.
JEFF TEAGUE is going to make a lot of people forget about the disappointing saga that was Acie Law IV’s tenure with the Hawks. Teague did more than just turn heads during the Hawks’ mini-camp last week. He sparked conversation about point guard play I hadn’t heard in my time covering the Hawks before last week. “He did some things as a young point guard that we hadn’t seen on our practice floor since Chris Paul and Deron Williams were here for predraft workouts,” one Hawks assistant coach told me last week. That’s as strong a statement as I’ve heard from anyone in the Hawks’ camp regarding a young point guard. While they all agree that Teague has plenty of polish that can be applied to his game, there is no debate about who or what the Hawks expect him to become. “I can’t wait to see him in training camp,” Randolph Morris said. “I think he’s going to give people fits with his quickness and his ability to get to the rim whenever he wants to. That’s going to be fun to watch.”
OBSERVATIONS ABOUT A FEW OTHER GUYS that stood out (for various reasons) during mini-camp:
- Othello Hunter was more impressive than any other player in camp, after Teague. His range on his jumper has improved dramatically. But we all know that his chance at making a dent in the Hawks’ roster and playing rotation depends on his ability rebound, defend and provide the hustle plays required of frontcourt journeymen in the NBA. The improved shot is an added bonus. I’d have him locked up on a two-year deal right now. If he keeps improving, someone is going to get a steal.
- Garret Siler’s stock with fans and media types can’t get much higher. He’s become something of a phenomenon around these parts, thanks to some serious hype and the big fella backing it up with strong performances in the Las Vegas summer league and last week. Siler’s raw and would be a super-sized Lunchable for superstars like Dwight Howard, Shaq and Pau Gasol, not to mention brutes like Kendrick Perkins and Brook Lopez. I know you want to believe that he’s the he’s the answer to the Hawks’ big-man problems … but that would mean all 30 teams missed on the guy, twice for some teams, on draft night.
- Randolph Morris has shed the kind of weight all of us “bigger” guys would love to be able to shed. And he did it organically, which makes it particularly impressive. He had his moments during mini-camp but I’m not sure he blew anyone (in charge) away with the work he did. I don’t know what he has to do to make a move up the Hawks’ rotational food chain, though he is under contract for this season, which has to help. But the fact is, even with all the work Morris has done, the Hawks are still hunting reserve bigs.
- Frank Robinson did it again. He showed up. Played his guts out, literally. And his reward, like that of most guys in his predicament, will probably be an invite to training camp. Robinson is the kind of guy that will always make training camp interesting because he’s fearless and is skilled enough to make you wonder why he’s not on someone’s NBA team? He won’t make the Hawks’ roster this season. But I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the middle of the action during training camp.
- Yoroslav Korolev was supposed to be a bust. When he crashed and burned with the Los Angeles Clippers (they made him the 12th pick of the 2005 draft), he joined the ranks of Darko Milicic, Nickoloz Tskitishvili and Fran Vasquez on the list of worst ever Euro-lottery busts. Korolev was just a kid when the Clippers drafted him but he looked grown up last week. He was much better than I expected him to be and showed off a nice shooting touch from long distance. He’d be worth keeping an eye on for the future.
- Brian Hamilton surprised me as much or more than any player in camp. I honestly wasn’t aware of him at all before last week. But mini-camp is a showcase for under the radar players like Hamilton, a smooth 6-6 swingman that impressed on both ends of the floor. His defense is what made him stand out. Yet he showed plenty of offensive ability and a nose for the ball on both ends of the floor that would make Mario West jealous. He’s another guy that will surely be in someone’s training camp pushing someone under contract to the limit.
Those were just some of the guys that made lasting impressions on me. Hawks coach Mike Woodson remarked several times that it was by far the best (rookie/free-agent) camp conducted during his tenure with the Hawks and I have to agree that it was the best I’ve seen in my time dealing with the Hawks (I missed his first one, when Josh Smith and Josh Childress were rookies). But there wasn’t a single player in town last week that didn’t belong on that floor.
IN CLOSING, I’d be remiss if I didn’t give my man Solomon “Solo” Jones a proper send off here. One of the truly unique characters to grace us with his presence the past three years, Jones is moving on this week to a two-year deal with the Indiana Pacers. Solo is moving on at a time when the Hawks could use a big or two like him, which makes his departure for Indiana all the more perplexing. After all, he was a restricted free agent, due close to a $1 million if he had signed his qualifying offer (the QO was rescinded so he would be allowed to sign with the Pacers without any interruption). I needed an explanation and Solo provided one last week. “The Hawks kept it real with me,” he said. “They told me that my role was going to be pretty much the same as it was last year, and that I wouldn’t have a chance to move up and get more time unless somebody got hurt like last year. And I realize that’s just the way it’s going to be with Josh and Al [Horford] and Zaza already in place. It’s cool. I get a chance to go somewhere else and try and start over and see if there’s a chance to have a bigger role. The Pacers want me up there right away to get to work and that’s a good thing. I’m looking forward to the opportunity. But I appreciate the Hawks keeping it straight with me and not trying to sell me something that they couldn’t deliver in terms of playing time and opportunity.”
If it’s good enough for Solo, it’s good enough for me.
712 comments Add your comment
doc
July 29th, 2009
1:55 pm
my bad
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
2:01 pm
Okafor is overrated and overpaid. Now the Hornets are smaller up front with Okafor and David West.
Hoops
July 29th, 2009
2:05 pm
Sautee & Big Ray,
I agree with you. The Timberwolves probably would not make that trade. I would still ask. Who would have thought that the Bobcats would have made the trade they just made with the Hornets???
It goes back to what I was saying in my last post, you never know what the rules are that another teams GM is having to abide by. The Timberwolves are wanting to cut salary based on the moves they have made. Maybe the plan is to generate more excitment for their fans by installing an uptempo game for these young guards that they just signed. Josh would fit into that game plan real well. Jefferson, not so much.
Like I said, I would ask the Timberwolves just to see before I moved on. You never know when conversations now might set up a move later on down the road!
Jon
July 29th, 2009
2:07 pm
And another one down…Sources: Hornets, Diogu close to deal
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4363982
Hoops
July 29th, 2009
2:10 pm
Sautee & Big Ray,
Also, notice that I did have a plan B ready if plan A fell through!
Daniel
July 29th, 2009
2:23 pm
I haven’t heard any more news on the Joe Smith front, but that doesn’t mean it is not going to get done. I haven’t heard of other teams that are courting him seriously.
Daniel
July 29th, 2009
2:23 pm
So, why is everyone acting like we won’t get him?
wordsmithtom
July 29th, 2009
2:42 pm
Sheldon spotted on Twitter. Man, can this cat block shots……
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dslapstick%2Bboxing%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-152&w=500&h=445&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F3457%2F3698444209_96fdfa8c2a.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F39806639%40N08%2F3698444209%2F&size=83k&name=BE+REAL+OR+BE+EX…&p=slapstick+boxing&oid=1345e73a8dec3bec&fr2=&fusr=esari+aries&no=10&tt=19&sigr=11l1ddeue&sigi=11g19pdq1&sigb=12lhptn5k
Najeh Davenpoop
July 29th, 2009
2:59 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski tweets that the Hawks have reached an agreement with Marvin.
Chea
July 29th, 2009
3:10 pm
A POX ON RICK SUND’S HOUSE FOR LETTING THE HORNETS GET DIOGU.
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
3:14 pm
Najeh,
I hope it’s true then maybe they can move on with other signings…
orlando magic fan
July 29th, 2009
3:14 pm
hey guys im a magic fan so its in my blood to hate you (which i really dont but thats a diffent story check this out i know it will make you mad and i dont agree with the article by the way http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/07/29/072909schumann.fiveteams/index.html
Cowa
July 29th, 2009
3:38 pm
Melvin, you’re right about Okafor, and you’re right about him being smaller. But who would you have suggested (from NO’s POV, not the other team’s) that they trade Chandler for? Remember, this was about cutting costs in the short run while still being a viable division contender. They are not looking to bow out of the playoffs and into the lottery. They also are looking to get below the luxury tax, and Peja is untradeable (basically). Chandler, who failed a physical at last year’s deadline, and who makes $11.9M this year and $12.8 next, was just moved for a starting center wrapped up long term who has averaged a career double-double who is $1.4M less this year and next (doubled when including the luxury tax hit). I’d just like to know what rational deal could have been a better fit.
Daniel
July 29th, 2009
3:43 pm
thanks for the link Najeh!
I hope it gets done and we get Joe Smith signed.
OMF- I appreciate the link, but I would disagree with him as well. Seems more likely that he had to put some team at 5 and couldn’t find a good choice. Honestly, why would a team that was the 4th seed last year that has already improved this off season and we are not done with a core group of players that are still on the upswing be set for a let down? Doesn’t make any sense. BTW- How do you guys see the basic trade of Hedo for VC? We tend to be of the opinion that it is at best a push, but could potentially not work out for the Magic. Kind of has the feel of the Dallas move to bring in Kidd, who has played well but the team got worse.
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
3:44 pm
orlando magic fan,
We are not worried about what John Schuhmann says. He was hating on Josh Smith at the USA mini-camp so it come as no surprise that he’s predicting the Hawks to have a bad year as well. However, his explanation is weak. He said we are still playing Horford at center, yep the same guy who played center and help the Hawks to 47 wins and 2nd round playoffs appearence. I can’t see how that’s an area weakest.
Daniel
July 29th, 2009
3:45 pm
COWA- I agree with you. I don’t see how NO didn’t get the better end of the deal, both from a player perspective and financially.
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
3:55 pm
Cowa,
I can’t honestly say if there was a better deal available (and really not concern about it). However, if the Hornets made this move for fiancial reasons, why would you trade for a guy who’s contract is twice as long. Wouldn’t it make better sense to hold on to Chandler this season and possibly see if someone is willing to trade for his expiring contract next season or simply let it rolled off the books after next season?
ILL-logical
July 29th, 2009
3:55 pm
And they’re still playing Al Horford at center.
Well one reason that outside observers feel that way is because Calypso Al is going to be forced to cover even more taller and heavier centers this year with the moves made by our division/ conference rivals.
And that means more foul trouble in the best case scenario and possible injury(s) as the season grinds along.
You don’t have to agree but you do have to consider the point of view since this writer is not the only basketball media person to question the decision.
To be fair, Woodson’s “system” doesn’t call for the center position to do more than rebound , screen and get out of Joe’s way.
Anakin Joe
July 29th, 2009
3:57 pm
I hope that the Marvin report is true and that he is signed to a long-term deal (as opposed to the QO). Likewise, hopefully this will lead to another double-header press conference with Joe Smith sitting next to Marvin.
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
4:01 pm
So Cleveland and Orlando beef up in the offseason. Wasn’t the Hawks 2-4 against them. So worst case scenario is that we stand to get sweep by them next season and our record would decrease by 2 wins.
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
4:02 pm
I meant* 2-6 against the Magic and Cavs
Anakin Joe
July 29th, 2009
4:07 pm
Horford & Zaza combined for 18 points & 15 boards in Woody’s system. I’m guessing that is better than average across the league at the center position.
But no doubt when you factor Shaq’s arrival with the development of Lopez in NJ (and maybe the remote possibility that Eddie Curry is ready to resume his career), the center position in this conference will be tougher than last season. I wonder if that was factored into Sund’s evaluation
terrell barron
July 29th, 2009
4:19 pm
The center position shouldn’t even be an issue. All we have to do is run, run, run. None of the before mentioned guys can keep up with Al when he runs the floor. Add to the fact, that we’ve added another shooter in Crawford, we’d be foolish if we continue to play that slow it down, half court, Iso Joe, nonsense.
UGA
July 29th, 2009
4:19 pm
That report on Marvin is not on the Twitter page anymore. Probably is not true.
terrell barron
July 29th, 2009
4:23 pm
And I wonder how happy CP3 is about that trade?? Chandler was his right hand man. Okafur is less athletic and a few inches shorter than Chandler. No more multiple alleyoops per game with Emeka. lol! With that said, Paul basically made Chandler who he is. The Bulls couldn’t wait to get rid of his azz. He might just do the same for Okafur. I wouldn’t put it past him.
UGA
July 29th, 2009
4:25 pm
As much as I want Joe Smith to sign, I don’t know if it will happen.
If the Bucks sign Warrick, they have around 8 post players. If they want to keep Ramon Sessions, they will have to cut salary b/c they do not want to go over the Luxury Tax. I’d suggest us throw a 2nd rounder and cash at them and try to pry away Kurt Thomas (who makes around 3 million) and Francisco Elson (who makes 1.7). There just does not seem to be very many bigs left in free agency and I’d love to have Ryan Hollins but………..
Melvin
July 29th, 2009
4:39 pm
UGA, you just reminded me that the Hawks received $2M from the Rockets for Andersen. Heck, add another 1 mil or 2 and sign Joe Smith. Dang, just like wall street, these owner are going to pocket the bail out money instead of investing it…
Anakin Joe
July 29th, 2009
4:42 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski’s twitter message about Marvin is back. But this time, it says that he is returning. Sounds like they may have changed it because maybe he accepted the QO (the previous one hinted to a longer-term deal).
UGA
July 29th, 2009
4:45 pm
Well, it’s back up now on the Marvin deal. Just says he’s coming back. I remember in one of Sekou’s articles, that this guy from Yahoo, Adrian W. is a good reporter that he likes and is friends with I think. Maybe this is true.
Anakin Joe
July 29th, 2009
4:46 pm
Melvin, come on, there is no way to justify paying the luxury tax for a team like this one. IMO, you pay the luxury tax when upgrading players 1-6, not players 7-12. And at this point, there aren’t any free agents left that would upgrade our 1-6 players.
UGA
July 29th, 2009
4:47 pm
I know, you’d think we’d use that money to sign someone. Plus we let Solomon go for nothing, he was a Restricted FA.
These guys from the Bucks I suggest are not the most ideal, but anyone would take them over Solo and Morris.
UGA
July 29th, 2009
4:49 pm
We better sign Marvin long-term, I really think he is going to be a solid player. That one year deal that Ben Gordon signed with the Bulls didn’t work out for them.
Kevin M
July 29th, 2009
4:52 pm
Good to hear about Marvin and that solidifies our frontline. Does that leave us with about 4M to complete the roster?
How many big men would be willing to come here and take 4th slot minutes in the post? Probably those that have already been listed.
We already have Morris being developed. I think we need to go more tried and true this time around.
I don’t expect a trade to help us out in this slot. Joe Smith might be the best of the remaining, but I wouldn’t go past a 1 year deal.
Deep
July 29th, 2009
4:53 pm
From Yahoo-
The Atlanta Hawks and restricted free-agent forward Marvin Williams(notes) reached an agreement on an undisclosed contract on Wednesday, a source told Yahoo! Sports.
Williams averaged 13.9 points, 6.3 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 61 games last season. The 23-year-old was selected by Atlanta with the second overall pick in the 2005 NBA draft.
Deep
July 29th, 2009
4:54 pm
Where is Sekou???? We only trust you man…..time to use some of those roaming mins
niremetal
July 29th, 2009
5:10 pm
Normally, I’d be jumping up and down about re-signing Marvin. But now, I’m just gonna go catch up on sleep…
JSS
July 29th, 2009
5:18 pm
Sekou + HawkBlog = Another brother possibly having to pay alimony
Sekou, Wife first, “Honey Do” list 2-9, Hawksblog 10th, 11th, or 12th… Don’t become a statistic!!!
Deep
July 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
Next in line…..JOE SMITH……come on down
Stinger
July 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
I’m as happy as anyone if the Hawks have settled on a long term deal for Marvin but the key is how much? I think $8MM per year average is appropriate, above that we could have a bad / untradable contract in the future (something we have avoided beautifully to date excluding Speedy of coarse) below that and we got a deal.
Deep
July 29th, 2009
5:42 pm
Do you have a job JSS….. Wife first, job second…. This is Sekou’s job… and I mean that with all due respect…. what a bad ass job this is…..
Yupperz
July 29th, 2009
6:06 pm
Someone go find Sam/Rod he prob having a heart attack now lol
PRIEST LAUDERDALE
July 29th, 2009
6:40 pm
5 YEARS 40 MIL FOR MARVIN
Rod/Sam's head
July 29th, 2009
7:06 pm
Kaboom!
Hoops
July 29th, 2009
7:09 pm
Priest Lauderdale,
Source?
Capt obvious
July 29th, 2009
7:17 pm
Okay, now that Marv is back in the fold (Sekour clarify) and we have something new to go on (finally), how do we really feel about Ryan Hollins? Sure he is 7-ft, athletic, and young but how good is he really. Everyone was hyped before since everyone was making moves on big men but us. Now that we are back in the hunt, thoughts??
Hoops
July 29th, 2009
7:28 pm
Capt obvious,
It is always exciting to be involved in making moves that can be judged as making improvements. Hollins would probably be an improvement over Solo (that’s the players playing time that we are talking about), but Joe Smith would be a better sign and Siler would probably be just as good with some PT.
Rod from College Park
July 29th, 2009
7:43 pm
One of the worse moves in Hawks history besides Speedy, Danny Manning and Konkack. Remember I told you so. As much as I despise Marvin’s game, he is a decent player, but not worth 8 mil a year for 5 years in this economy. Another 5 years of a guy disappearing, getting hurt, watching guys blow by him, passing the ball out of the post with a smaller guy on him and falling while driving to the hoop. Oh well. Typical Hawks. For the sake of our team,I hope this guy turns out to be everything you guys think he will be. Good luck!!!
Stating the Obvious
July 29th, 2009
7:50 pm
Does this mean you’re leavin us for good, Rod/Sam? Now that it’s clear that no one listens to you except the voices in your head?
Thank sweet Jesus, if so.
MJ3
July 29th, 2009
7:56 pm
But really, you gots to love the way Rod/Sam only pop their heads up when there’s news about Marvin and even then only to dis him. As I said awhile back, marv musta stolen his boyfriend or something.
A Tribe Called Quest
July 29th, 2009
8:11 pm
LOL @ Sund taking 3 weeks to get this contract done. I’m sure the two sides agreed on this deal by July 2nd. Way to waste 4 weeks of nonactivity so we couldn’t pursue any other FA’s (the Drew Goodens)
moron