Vacation visions

Might a Smith family reunion (of sorts) be in the works for Joe and Josh (no relation) this season with the Hawks?

Might a Smith family reunion (of sorts) be in the works for Joe and Josh (no relation) this season with the Hawks? Time will tell. The Hawks are working on it, though.

THE OPEN ROAD - I’m not supposed to be here right now.

Seriously. I looked it up. Vacation is meant to be “leisure time away from work, devoted to rest or pleasure.”

But the phone doesn’t stop ringing because you want it to (next time, we all need to go on vacation together … or at least at the same time).

After being off the grid (mostly) for an entire family reunion weekend, I’ll admit that I’m a bit foggy on some of the details about what went on in Las Vegas for Josh Smith at the USA Basketball mini-camp and just about any other hot debate that’s gone on around here the past few days (and for the record, I’m told that despite a tepid performance in Saturday’s scrimmage, his time with the USA B’ball folks was a rousing success because it allowed quite a few people that weren’t familiar with him other than what they’ve seen, heard and read to get a much better for feel for him as a person and player).

But I do have some thoughts about a few other things, namely the Hawks’ mini-camp from last week, the state of negotiations with Marvin Williams and the Hawks’ continued pursuit of Joe Smith. So if you’ll forgive your host for leaving the party for a few days (technically, I’m on vacation until August – just in case Wifey decides to check the blog and see what we’ve got going on), here are some of my vacation visions:

JOE SMITH probably didn’t realize he had multiple stalkers until he left Atlanta Friday. That’s when the Hawks’ full court press for the veteran free agent’s signature shifted from face-to-face to long distance. Well, mostly long distance. The Hawks do have a secret weapon in Smith’s Phoenix backyard. Mike Bibby’s basketball royalty in the Valley. And he’s one of several Hawks working hard on the recruiting trail to bring Smith into the fold. Zaza Pachulia knows Smith well from their time together in Milwaukee and said he would use all his Euro-charm (at lunch Friday and beyond) to make sure Smith was aware of just how much he is wanted and needed by the Hawks. All that said, major work must be done to secure Smith’s signature on a contract. It’s not secret the Hawks aren’t paying the same rate for backup bigs that some other teams are (for example, Chris Wilcox got cash – $6 million over two years – in Detroit that he never could have from the Hawks. Same goes for Drew Gooden and the reported $4.5 mil he’ll bring in on a one-year deal with the Spurs).  So they have to find ways (PLAYING TIME!!!!!!!!!!) to lure the kind of players they need to help bolster their cause. It probably helps that, in a summer marked by taking care of in-house business (home grown free agents), Smith is the first player outside of the family that the Hawks actually courted. Again, there is major work still to be done on this front.

YOU WERE WARNED THAT THINGS between the Hawks and Marvin Williams would drag out this summer. I wasn’t joking. Nothing has changed. The sides remain on opposite sides of the restricted free agent street right now. I know that other outlets reported that the sides were “close” and all that, but it’s just not true. The sides are talking. And they’ll be back at it this week. Anyone that sees an end in sight has X-ray vision, because I wouldn’t be surprised if things lasted deep into next month. Look back at the Hawks’ dealings with many of their own players in the past (I know Mike Bibby and Zaza coming back as quickly as they did had you juiced but that was out of the ordinary for the Hawks). It usually takes time, especially for restricted free agents.

JEFF TEAGUE is going to make a lot of people forget about the disappointing saga that was Acie Law IV’s tenure with the Hawks. Teague did more than just turn heads during the Hawks’ mini-camp last week. He sparked conversation about point guard play I hadn’t heard in my time covering the Hawks before last week. “He did some things as a young point guard that we hadn’t seen on our practice floor since Chris Paul and Deron Williams were here for predraft workouts,” one Hawks assistant coach told me last week. That’s as strong a statement as I’ve heard from anyone in the Hawks’ camp regarding a young point guard. While they all agree that Teague has plenty of polish that can be applied to his game, there is no debate about who or what the Hawks expect him to become. “I can’t wait to see him in training camp,” Randolph Morris said. “I think he’s going to give people fits with his quickness and his ability to get to the rim whenever he wants to. That’s going to be fun to watch.”

OBSERVATIONS ABOUT A FEW OTHER GUYS that stood out (for various reasons) during mini-camp:

- Othello Hunter was more impressive than any other player in camp, after Teague. His range on his jumper has improved dramatically. But we all know that his chance at making a dent in the Hawks’ roster and playing rotation depends on his ability rebound, defend and provide the hustle plays required of frontcourt journeymen in the NBA. The improved shot is an added bonus. I’d have him locked up on a two-year deal right now. If he keeps improving, someone is going to get a steal.

- Garret Siler’s stock with fans and media types can’t get much higher. He’s become something of a phenomenon around these parts, thanks to some serious hype and the big fella backing it up with strong performances in the Las Vegas summer league and last week. Siler’s raw and would be a super-sized Lunchable for superstars like Dwight Howard, Shaq and Pau Gasol, not to mention brutes like Kendrick Perkins and Brook Lopez. I know you want to believe that he’s the he’s the answer to the Hawks’ big-man problems … but that would mean all 30 teams missed on the guy, twice for some teams, on draft night.

- Randolph Morris has shed the kind of weight all of us “bigger” guys would love to be able to shed. And he did it organically, which makes it particularly impressive. He had his moments during mini-camp but I’m not sure he blew anyone (in charge) away with the work he did. I don’t know what he has to do to make a move up the Hawks’ rotational food chain, though he is under contract for this season, which has to help. But the fact is, even with all the work Morris has done, the Hawks are still hunting reserve bigs. 

- Frank Robinson did it again. He showed up. Played his guts out, literally. And his reward, like that of most guys in his predicament, will probably be an invite to training camp. Robinson is the kind of guy that will always make training camp interesting because he’s fearless and is skilled enough to make you wonder why he’s not on someone’s NBA team? He won’t make the Hawks’ roster this season. But I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the middle of the action during training camp.

- Yoroslav Korolev was supposed to be a bust. When he crashed and burned with the Los Angeles Clippers (they made him the 12th pick of the 2005 draft), he joined the ranks of Darko Milicic, Nickoloz Tskitishvili and Fran Vasquez on the list of worst ever Euro-lottery busts. Korolev was just a kid when the Clippers drafted him but he looked grown up last week. He was much better than I expected him to be and showed off a nice shooting touch from long distance. He’d be worth keeping an eye on for the future.

- Brian Hamilton surprised me as much or more than any player in camp. I honestly wasn’t aware of him at all before last week. But mini-camp is a showcase for under the radar players like Hamilton, a smooth 6-6 swingman that impressed on both ends of the floor. His defense is what made him stand out. Yet he showed plenty of offensive ability and a nose for the ball on both ends of the floor that would make Mario West jealous. He’s another guy that will surely be in someone’s training camp pushing someone under contract to the limit.

Those were just some of the guys that made lasting impressions on me. Hawks coach Mike Woodson remarked several times that it was by far the best (rookie/free-agent) camp conducted during his tenure with the Hawks and I have to agree that it was the best I’ve seen in my time dealing with the Hawks (I missed his first one, when Josh Smith and Josh Childress were rookies). But there wasn’t a single player in town last week that didn’t belong on that floor.

IN CLOSING, I’d be remiss if I didn’t give my man Solomon “Solo” Jones a proper send off here. One of the truly unique characters to grace us with his presence the past three years, Jones is moving on this week to a two-year deal with the Indiana Pacers. Solo is moving on at a time when the Hawks could use a big or two like him, which makes his departure for Indiana all the more perplexing. After all, he was a restricted free agent, due close to a $1 million if he had signed his qualifying offer (the QO was rescinded so he would be allowed to sign with the Pacers without any interruption). I needed an explanation and Solo provided one last week. “The Hawks kept it real with me,” he said. “They told me that my role was going to be pretty much the same as it was last year, and that I wouldn’t have a chance to move up and get more time unless somebody got hurt like last year. And I realize that’s just the way it’s going to be with Josh and Al [Horford] and Zaza already in place.  It’s cool. I get a chance to go somewhere else and try and start over and see if there’s a chance to have a bigger role. The Pacers want me up there right away to get to work and that’s a good thing. I’m looking forward to the opportunity. But I appreciate the Hawks keeping it straight with me and not trying to sell me something that they couldn’t deliver in terms of playing time and opportunity.”

If it’s good enough for Solo, it’s good enough for me.

712 comments Add your comment

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
10:37 am

HA – wow, Anakin. You’re just getting desperate now, aren’t you? His stats hardly “exploded” in February. His rebounds and points went up to 7.6 and 15.1, but the 7.6 wasn’t even his season high – he’d already averaged 7.6rpg in December. February was also the month where he posted his lowest apg average of the season. His FG% also went down, while his 3P% and FT% went up (along with his attempts). That accounts for the increased PPG. Wow, some “explosion” there, huh?

His stats got progressively better throughout the year. There was no “explosion.” There was a steady uphill trend as Diaw developed and grew into his role in D’Antoni’s system. In any case, his “worst” month under D’Antoni was better than his “best” under Woody.

And as for the position split stats…what the hell are you even talking about? First off, the page itself says that he played 29 games as the starting C and 40 games as a starting forward, and doesn’t specify what type of forward he was. Second, you really have no clue how D’Antoni’s offense works, do you (rhetorical question – clearly you don’t)? The positions are very fluid. Because so much of the game is transition-focused, the difference between the role of a center and the role of a SG or SF in D’Antoni’s offensive system is far less than in most systems. That’s why Diaw’s offensive rebounding stats remained steady throughout the year, while his defensive rebounding stats went up when he played more minutes at C. Again, read :07 Seconds or Less.

I’m sorry, Anakin. This is just getting pathetic. Admit the obvious – Diaw is talented, and Woody had no clue how to use him. D’Antoni did. Larry Brown did and does. If you can’t admit that, then you’re just a lost cause.

And funny how you’re extolling Flip’s toughness and grit. Because I clearly remember him playing soft defense on many occasions throughout the year. And you still don’t seem to get that pay/production reasoning is pointless because so much of the game is unquantifiable. In any case, it’s hopeless to argue with you about this, because your mind is already made up on Crawford. It’s sad, AJ. You used to be a good person to carry on discussions with. Now all you do is bob, weave, and talk around people’s points and set up straw men instead of directly addressing them. Hopefully you’ll go back to Astro at some point, but right now

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
10:47 am

Oh, and Amare got injured during the pre-season, so your point about him not arriving until after he got injured is another non-sequiter/straw man. The whole season was “post-Amare” except for 3 games in March (during which, by the way, Diaw got shifted to forward and still played 30+ minutes).

Anakin Joe

August 3rd, 2009
11:04 am

nire, sorry, not buying it. Diaw excelled in the C/PF spot. I am quite certain of that. And if a coach’s talent evaluation is based on any one player (and only one player) then I think that is a pretty good record. If your standard is 100%, then you will obviously disagree. And if that is your standard, then I am guessing that you don’t think any NBA coach is a master at optimizing their talent base.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2009
11:15 am

Still eating that straw there, Anakin? ~sigh~. You’re truly a lost cause.

Anakin Joe

August 3rd, 2009
11:33 am

Yes I am. A 25% increase in scoring with a 10% increase in minutes means something tome. And when I spend time browsing through the game logs from the ‘05-06 season and see Diaw’s stats spike once he replaces Kurt Thomas in the starting line-up, I tend to believe that playing C for the Suns may have impoacted his stats. Oh and the fact that Amare was injured in the pre-season doesn;t change my argument.

If you want to tell me that it took an “out-of-the-box” thinker to find Diaw’s role, I may buy it. Nellie gave Nowitzi the freedom to blossom into a 7-foot jump shooter while Larry Brown refused to allow Darko to attempt to be a similar player. But I still remember that he went from a nice player to someone worthy of a $10M/year contract AFTER he went from “wing” to “big” in that Phoenix line-up. Check the game logs.

Daniel

August 3rd, 2009
12:12 pm

we really need a new blog or some new news, because you guys are actually arguing the merits of Boris Diaw?!?! this summer time stuff is really getting to everybody.

Daniel

August 3rd, 2009
12:16 pm

And to just add to your argument..
What has Phoenix done with Boris Diaw? Yes, he is a better contributor than he was here. Different system, maturity, etc.. But, have they won?
Second, do you really think that Suns fans would rather have Boris than Joe?
Winning is what is important! Playoff wins. Nire- Woodson has more than Diaw.

Sekou Smith

August 3rd, 2009
12:22 pm

I’m back on the clock (with a new blog up). Marvin still hasn’t signed. Joe Smith is still a free agent. And the Hawks are still razor thin in the frontcourt. No excuse for that this late in the summer. Too many serviceable players have gone elsewhere for the Hawks to still be on the hunt. Roll over to the new blog and we can chop it up.

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Big Ray

August 3rd, 2009
12:53 pm

Astro Joe,

Value and need.You give me “value and need,” and then try to tell me that we gave away nothing for “more of the same” (which would be “something”).

Gosh, that sounds like we got “something for nothing.” There’s your value.

We got a combo guard who is good enough to start and can provide near Joe Johnson level scoring and assists if/when Johnson or Bibby is out. He’s bigger and faster than Bibby, and better than Flip. He’s easily enough of a threat that our offense will not lag or become stagnant when he’s on the floor and Joe is not, and dangerous enough to keep teams from doubling Joe when they’re both on the floor.

There’s your need. Unless of course you think we never needed that. Right….

When faced with the opportunity to meet a lesser need while pursuing greater needs, do you gamble by ignoring the presented opportunity? Let’s say Sund doesn’t make the Crawford trade. And let’s say that he still isn’t able to convince any of the FA bigs that we missed out on to come to Atlanta. Would you still rather come to training camp with Acie and Speedy? Or would you like to come to training camp with a guy who can give you as much as Crawford can, and is a much more tradeable asset than those two were?

You say value and need. I say asset management.

The idea that Crawford’s contract is affecting our ability to sign a big is getting a bit stale and moldy. If that’s the case, then Speedy and Acie’s contracts were doing the same, were they not? You talk plenty about Sund having a budget and X amount of money to spend. You have to understand: what we spent on Crawford was pretty much already spent on Acie and Speedy. We just traded what we were getting for the money. You just more or less admitted that we are now getting more for the money than we were before. Something for nothing.

No, it isn’t meeting the need you wanted it to meet most. I’m betting Sund feels the same. But unless you can tell me which valuable big man we could have gotten in the same trade, I’ll settle for significantly upgrading what we had for a bit more cash.

One more time: we traded for a guy who can give us MUCH more than the two outgoing pgs could, and is more valuable in a trade than they ever would have been.

Value and need…..the NBA business is neither black and white, nor one-dimensional. If you can’t upgrade what you need the most, you settle for upgrading something else you need. It’s called finding ways to get better, even if they aren’t the ways you prefer.

I’m sure glad Sund understands that.

Ariose

August 3rd, 2009
12:59 pm

AJ, I know lol. I was specefically referring to my realization that Flip may not be signed because Rick Sund knows that Woodson will not give Teague the minutes he needs to develop. Then again, that may not be the case, but I would think that Sund would try to clear the easiest path possible for his heralded draft pick to the court and playing time. That’s all i’m speculating about. If it’s true, it’s not BAD, I mean, we still have Bibby, JJ, and Crawford.

Nire, what you’re saying makes a lot of sense. That roster spot could be used for something much more important, like a big man. As far as Flip being an insurance policy, I agree, but you know flips the highest quality you can get; especially for the price. He’s more like bailout insurance you Know, for when our jumpshooters go cold(JJ, Crawford, Bibby).

Like Truth said, If we get an injury to Bibby, you’re taking a risk only having teague to back him up. We also don’t know about Teague defense, specefically against Bigger guards who like to work in the post (Billups, Miller, Kidd etc.) Reallly flip was the only guard who dealt with that stuff well.

Now I had forgotten all about Mo lol. I wish he was two or three inches taller taller so this wouldn’t be an issue heh. I agree with you though, It doesn’t make sense to bring Flip back…..then again, it does make sense. Either way it’s not that big of a deal because our main problem right now is the frontline. Thats what really needs to be addressed.

Nire, You must be talking about the Autobiography that came out in 2008. I haven’t read it, buy if you think it’s good I might have to get my hands on a copy :-)

Yeah that Diss track was vicious lol. I bet Mariah wishes she never released this video lol! Some things just aren’t worth it heheheh, she was fighting fire with fire. She should’ve seen this coming as clear as a freight train lol!

The Flash

September 4th, 2009
5:27 pm

I don’t think that the Cavs can win it all because they have only one initiator and he holds the thing entirely too long, gives everyone on the other team a rest (mentally) while he does, and does not allow the other guys on his team to carry their weight as members of the offense, which is why everyone plays this game in the first place, to play offense. Ditto for the Hawks, and JJ, as good as he is, is no LeBron.

I think that ownership knows this and that they will spend money next year but it will not be to keep JJ. JJ sees the game with the ball in his hands and always asks, “what can I do to make . . . .” As long as the guy who occupies the ball has that kind of vision, it does not matter who plays with him. The ceiling is there.