
Might a Smith family reunion (of sorts) be in the works for Joe and Josh (no relation) this season with the Hawks? Time will tell. The Hawks are working on it, though.
THE OPEN ROAD - I’m not supposed to be here right now.
Seriously. I looked it up. Vacation is meant to be “leisure time away from work, devoted to rest or pleasure.”
But the phone doesn’t stop ringing because you want it to (next time, we all need to go on vacation together … or at least at the same time).
After being off the grid (mostly) for an entire family reunion weekend, I’ll admit that I’m a bit foggy on some of the details about what went on in Las Vegas for Josh Smith at the USA Basketball mini-camp and just about any other hot debate that’s gone on around here the past few days (and for the record, I’m told that despite a tepid performance in Saturday’s scrimmage, his time with the USA B’ball folks was a rousing success because it allowed quite a few people that weren’t familiar with him other than what they’ve seen, heard and read to get a much better for feel for him as a person and player).
But I do have some thoughts about a few other things, namely the Hawks’ mini-camp from last week, the state of negotiations with Marvin Williams and the Hawks’ continued pursuit of Joe Smith. So if you’ll forgive your host for leaving the party for a few days (technically, I’m on vacation until August – just in case Wifey decides to check the blog and see what we’ve got going on), here are some of my vacation visions:
JOE SMITH probably didn’t realize he had multiple stalkers until he left Atlanta Friday. That’s when the Hawks’ full court press for the veteran free agent’s signature shifted from face-to-face to long distance. Well, mostly long distance. The Hawks do have a secret weapon in Smith’s Phoenix backyard. Mike Bibby’s basketball royalty in the Valley. And he’s one of several Hawks working hard on the recruiting trail to bring Smith into the fold. Zaza Pachulia knows Smith well from their time together in Milwaukee and said he would use all his Euro-charm (at lunch Friday and beyond) to make sure Smith was aware of just how much he is wanted and needed by the Hawks. All that said, major work must be done to secure Smith’s signature on a contract. It’s not secret the Hawks aren’t paying the same rate for backup bigs that some other teams are (for example, Chris Wilcox got cash – $6 million over two years – in Detroit that he never could have from the Hawks. Same goes for Drew Gooden and the reported $4.5 mil he’ll bring in on a one-year deal with the Spurs). So they have to find ways (PLAYING TIME!!!!!!!!!!) to lure the kind of players they need to help bolster their cause. It probably helps that, in a summer marked by taking care of in-house business (home grown free agents), Smith is the first player outside of the family that the Hawks actually courted. Again, there is major work still to be done on this front.
YOU WERE WARNED THAT THINGS between the Hawks and Marvin Williams would drag out this summer. I wasn’t joking. Nothing has changed. The sides remain on opposite sides of the restricted free agent street right now. I know that other outlets reported that the sides were “close” and all that, but it’s just not true. The sides are talking. And they’ll be back at it this week. Anyone that sees an end in sight has X-ray vision, because I wouldn’t be surprised if things lasted deep into next month. Look back at the Hawks’ dealings with many of their own players in the past (I know Mike Bibby and Zaza coming back as quickly as they did had you juiced but that was out of the ordinary for the Hawks). It usually takes time, especially for restricted free agents.
JEFF TEAGUE is going to make a lot of people forget about the disappointing saga that was Acie Law IV’s tenure with the Hawks. Teague did more than just turn heads during the Hawks’ mini-camp last week. He sparked conversation about point guard play I hadn’t heard in my time covering the Hawks before last week. “He did some things as a young point guard that we hadn’t seen on our practice floor since Chris Paul and Deron Williams were here for predraft workouts,” one Hawks assistant coach told me last week. That’s as strong a statement as I’ve heard from anyone in the Hawks’ camp regarding a young point guard. While they all agree that Teague has plenty of polish that can be applied to his game, there is no debate about who or what the Hawks expect him to become. “I can’t wait to see him in training camp,” Randolph Morris said. “I think he’s going to give people fits with his quickness and his ability to get to the rim whenever he wants to. That’s going to be fun to watch.”
OBSERVATIONS ABOUT A FEW OTHER GUYS that stood out (for various reasons) during mini-camp:
- Othello Hunter was more impressive than any other player in camp, after Teague. His range on his jumper has improved dramatically. But we all know that his chance at making a dent in the Hawks’ roster and playing rotation depends on his ability rebound, defend and provide the hustle plays required of frontcourt journeymen in the NBA. The improved shot is an added bonus. I’d have him locked up on a two-year deal right now. If he keeps improving, someone is going to get a steal.
- Garret Siler’s stock with fans and media types can’t get much higher. He’s become something of a phenomenon around these parts, thanks to some serious hype and the big fella backing it up with strong performances in the Las Vegas summer league and last week. Siler’s raw and would be a super-sized Lunchable for superstars like Dwight Howard, Shaq and Pau Gasol, not to mention brutes like Kendrick Perkins and Brook Lopez. I know you want to believe that he’s the he’s the answer to the Hawks’ big-man problems … but that would mean all 30 teams missed on the guy, twice for some teams, on draft night.
- Randolph Morris has shed the kind of weight all of us “bigger” guys would love to be able to shed. And he did it organically, which makes it particularly impressive. He had his moments during mini-camp but I’m not sure he blew anyone (in charge) away with the work he did. I don’t know what he has to do to make a move up the Hawks’ rotational food chain, though he is under contract for this season, which has to help. But the fact is, even with all the work Morris has done, the Hawks are still hunting reserve bigs.
- Frank Robinson did it again. He showed up. Played his guts out, literally. And his reward, like that of most guys in his predicament, will probably be an invite to training camp. Robinson is the kind of guy that will always make training camp interesting because he’s fearless and is skilled enough to make you wonder why he’s not on someone’s NBA team? He won’t make the Hawks’ roster this season. But I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the middle of the action during training camp.
- Yoroslav Korolev was supposed to be a bust. When he crashed and burned with the Los Angeles Clippers (they made him the 12th pick of the 2005 draft), he joined the ranks of Darko Milicic, Nickoloz Tskitishvili and Fran Vasquez on the list of worst ever Euro-lottery busts. Korolev was just a kid when the Clippers drafted him but he looked grown up last week. He was much better than I expected him to be and showed off a nice shooting touch from long distance. He’d be worth keeping an eye on for the future.
- Brian Hamilton surprised me as much or more than any player in camp. I honestly wasn’t aware of him at all before last week. But mini-camp is a showcase for under the radar players like Hamilton, a smooth 6-6 swingman that impressed on both ends of the floor. His defense is what made him stand out. Yet he showed plenty of offensive ability and a nose for the ball on both ends of the floor that would make Mario West jealous. He’s another guy that will surely be in someone’s training camp pushing someone under contract to the limit.
Those were just some of the guys that made lasting impressions on me. Hawks coach Mike Woodson remarked several times that it was by far the best (rookie/free-agent) camp conducted during his tenure with the Hawks and I have to agree that it was the best I’ve seen in my time dealing with the Hawks (I missed his first one, when Josh Smith and Josh Childress were rookies). But there wasn’t a single player in town last week that didn’t belong on that floor.
IN CLOSING, I’d be remiss if I didn’t give my man Solomon “Solo” Jones a proper send off here. One of the truly unique characters to grace us with his presence the past three years, Jones is moving on this week to a two-year deal with the Indiana Pacers. Solo is moving on at a time when the Hawks could use a big or two like him, which makes his departure for Indiana all the more perplexing. After all, he was a restricted free agent, due close to a $1 million if he had signed his qualifying offer (the QO was rescinded so he would be allowed to sign with the Pacers without any interruption). I needed an explanation and Solo provided one last week. “The Hawks kept it real with me,” he said. “They told me that my role was going to be pretty much the same as it was last year, and that I wouldn’t have a chance to move up and get more time unless somebody got hurt like last year. And I realize that’s just the way it’s going to be with Josh and Al [Horford] and Zaza already in place. It’s cool. I get a chance to go somewhere else and try and start over and see if there’s a chance to have a bigger role. The Pacers want me up there right away to get to work and that’s a good thing. I’m looking forward to the opportunity. But I appreciate the Hawks keeping it straight with me and not trying to sell me something that they couldn’t deliver in terms of playing time and opportunity.”
If it’s good enough for Solo, it’s good enough for me.
712 comments Add your comment
I MUS WRITE
July 31st, 2009
11:03 am
Whass up Perry Mason-I mean Nir……. Has anybody seen officer friendly- one time…i mean Ray LOL……. Options 1 or 3 work well for me……. Orlando will be #1 in the east most of the season-u heard it here first
Anakin Joe
July 31st, 2009
11:24 am
Good luck, nire (a little after the fact but still, I hope that you pass the flying colors).
If Smith goes elsewhere, I’d probably go for Adonal Foyle. Big body and above average shot-blocker. I may even consider Stromile Swift, just because he can board, block shots and run the floor. But bottom line, after Joe we’re getting deep, deep, deep into the weeds. Deep. Deep. Did I mention deep? Deep.
Melvin
July 31st, 2009
11:25 am
Hoops,
I prefer to edit your opt #1 and mix it with #3. Drop Flip and add Hollins in your opt#1. I think Teague should be given the opportunity to play backup PG without a vet let Flip around. If is on this team, then I think Woody would give him the backup mins at PG which will stunt Teague growth..
Anakin Joe
July 31st, 2009
11:30 am
edit = pass with flying colors. Oh yeah, deep, deep weeds. Deep!
Melvin
July 31st, 2009
11:40 am
No Joe Smith then Stromile would be next on my list aside for Hollins.
terrell barron
July 31st, 2009
11:55 am
Hoops, I’ll take option 4.
terrell barron
July 31st, 2009
11:58 am
Hoops, I changed my mind. Give me option 3. lol!
Anakin Joe
July 31st, 2009
12:06 pm
Hoops, give me Smith, Siler, Hunter and B. Knight.
I know Siler was D-2, but Anthony Morrow came out of no where and seemingly will be a rotational player for the next few years. I don’t recall him being an exceptional college player at GA Tech. Shooters with size often can find a niche. So can hard-working true bigs. With an emphasis on hard-working.
A Tribe Called Quest
July 31st, 2009
12:12 pm
It is so hard to find Sekou’s blogs on the AJC Hawks page. You have freaking 291 year old Furman Bisher (who writes about 3 articles a decade) listed before Sekou on SEKOU’S PAGE OF SPECIALITY
PATHETIC
terrell barron
July 31st, 2009
12:27 pm
Marvin for Beasley? No thanks Bluehawk. Beasley+Woody=doghouse.
Samuel
July 31st, 2009
12:34 pm
I baited yall into that one. I really don’t drink Soda’s that much but when I do, it’s usually Sprite or Ginger Ale. However, I will occassionally have a Vault before or after a long night. My “performance enhancer” if you will.
I’m with yall on Siler. Haven’t seen that much of him but what I have seen, I like. Couldn’t be a better fit for a club. I see no reason why we should not sign this guy right away.
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
12:54 pm
Hoops- I like option 1, but I agree with anakin on give me a true 3rd pg instead of Flip (t. lue)
I like Nesterovic more than Big Baby or Powe as a second option.
Your numbers are reasonable but Siler won’t get 1mil or Korolev. I don’t think it would take 1.9 for Flip.
You also have RandMo’s 800K to factor in. (which totally is a waste of money).
What about Ankoyl instead of Korolev?
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
12:56 pm
Anakin Joe- Anthony Morrow was a VERY good college player in the ACC. Quite a different story than Siler’s
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm
Melvin- I don’t want to see Stroumile anywhere near this team.
so Anakin Joe- you think we might be in trouble if we don’t get Joe Smith? I wasn’t sure how you felt.
I MUS WRITE
July 31st, 2009
1:18 pm
Just say no to Stromile Swift and Foyle….As Aj say’s DEEP -alittle too deep for my taste. swift is the classic underacheiver and Foyle is about ready for social securtiy.
Aj -im starting to warm up to Brevin Knight as our 3rd pg,but my gut tells me any veteran Pg added to the roster will stunt tyeagues growth….. Woody luv’s his vets but none the less B.knight would be a nice addidition for depth purposes.
If Joe Smith opts for greener pastures I would go with- Hollins and Siler as our 4th/5th bigs. I think hollins length and athleticism would help us alot when we play teams with long active 4’s and 5’s like KG,Bogut,Lopez etc…. Also throw siler to the wolves and see how he responds…. He may come up big against guy’s like Illgauskas and Yao that Al is too small to handle just a thought.
Hollins /Siler/Korolev/Hunter-Ellis would be my invites to veterans camp.
The fact that Siler has lost almost 100 lbs in the last year tells me he’s willing to do what it takes to make it in this league verses a guy like Morris whos a few big mac away from playing in the Dleague…….
Anakin Joe
July 31st, 2009
1:23 pm
Daniel, I think VERY good players with NBA range & decent size from the ACC get drafted. Morrow was a good player. Was he better than Lewis Clinch or any of the other 3-point shooting SGs that find teir way to Hewitt?
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
1:34 pm
AK- yes, he was better than Clinch. I am not saying that he was Chris Paul or even Gani Lawal, but still a far more accomplished player than Siler.
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
1:55 pm
Prediction: Sixers sign Warrick –> Cavs re-sign Joe Smith.
PDubATL
July 31st, 2009
2:06 pm
Prediction: Bucks sign Warrick -> Cavs re-sign Joe Smith.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/bucks.html
The Truth
July 31st, 2009
2:12 pm
niremetal
What do you based your predictions on?
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm
Ha – well my prediction WAS based on the fact that Warrick is a Philly native, but it makes sense that he’d choose the Bucks, since he’ll get more minutes there by a good margin (unless Joe Alexander has a breakout year). I just figured he’d give Philly the hometown discount, as many players seem to in every sport.
In any case, Joe Smith going back to the Cavs is based on the fact that he’ll probably both get more minutes there and have a better shot at a title. The minutes will come from the fact that there, as here, Joe Smith would be the 4th big man, except their frontcourt is significantly older (and therefore more injury prone) than the Hawks’. But we shall see…
The Truth
July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm
niremetal
Agreed; we shall see.
BrittishAnger
July 31st, 2009
2:31 pm
Just askin’ said:
[Someone to take Jones's 5 minutes a night]
Bleedin’ Gummy Bears, SIGN GARRET SILER!
Clyde
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
Is it football season yet?
Melvin
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
I think I’m going to get married just so I can have a divorce hearing like this….
Nire, will you be my attorney…
http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/07/30
I MUS WRITE
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
Melvin …..Thatz funny -I dont think that guy will be so happy once she getz half of everything-he may go from dancing to cry’n like a bytch lol…..There are some hot chicks in the audience…….. Anyway just say no to the ball and chain and yes to a life partner- its worked well for me so far
Melvin
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
IMUS, You are funny but good advice…lol
Samuel
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Yea Clyde,
Especially October 10th.
http://www.olemisssports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2600&SPID=737
Anakin Joe
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Joe Smith may be tired of the one year deal to chase the ring. Hawks should offer a 2-year deal with maybe a player or team option for the 3rd. Dude may want to stop living out of a suitcase and feel like he has a home (for at least 2 seasons).
I wonder if the Warrick signing will make it any harder to match an offer for Sessions?
Hoops
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
PDubATL,
You were right. Warrick agrees to sign with the Bucks.
Sessions can be had now! There is you pass first PG guys!
Sign Joe Smith-2yrs. for 2.5M per. Then sign Sessions for 3.5M per for as many years as you can get him. That leaves 1M for Siler.
Man that would make our team!!!
I MUS WRITE
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
Hoops-i think Sessions would be overkill at this point-If we brought him in and he outperformed Bibby then bringing Bibby back would have been all for nothing even at 6 mil a year…..
I woulda been cool with Sessions and teague at PG with the extra money we could throw that money at sum one over 6′10……..
Joe smith needs to say yea or ney relly soon this is getting under my skin….I mean at 34 how long of a contract does he want -I dont want to see a 37 year old PF on our bench……….
Sheldon Williams is looking ?????? Maybe he is our cheap big off the bench…we saw what he does in his short stint with the team and he cant be any worse than Morris or Solo …..or is he
I cant believe Im campaigning for shellhead….. AS AJ say’s im going deep deep deep
Hoops
July 31st, 2009
5:24 pm
I MUS WRITE,
If I could get Sessions, I would get him! Are you kiddin??? He can flat play! He brings the athletism that we need on both ends of the court. If he out performs Bibby, then that makes the Hawks better. We could always trade to some team that needs a PG before the trade deadline! Are we afraid of improving?
What other big are we going to get at this point? Joe S, Big Baby, Hollins, Powe? We have the money to get Sessions plus one of those bigs plus Siler. If Sessions puts Bibby on the bench, then trade him and use his 6M to re-sign JJ and Horford! What do we have to loose? The Hawks have to go after Sessions!
Hoops
July 31st, 2009
5:31 pm
Sessions Hunt!
I just figured that if the Bucks cut Bowen today, they will cut 2M from their committed salaries. Counting the 3M that they just agreed to for Warrick, that puts them at $69,770,026.00. They will not go into L. tax to match an offer for Sessions. This is an opportunity for the Hawks to steal a really great player! Opportunities don’t come along like this very often!
Ariose
July 31st, 2009
5:59 pm
Flip Murray > Ramon Sessions
“Murray is an interesting player. He’s reaching the time where he should be peaking in his career. At the moment he seems like a decent energy player off the bench. However, his 3-point production has increased 24% in the last two years, and he’s now shooting 36% from beyond the arc. In addition to adding range, he also improved his overall efficiency over the past couple years.”
http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2009/7/29/967186/some-big-name-free-agents-still
Jeff Teauge > Ramon Sessions
Ramon is Just about as Atletic as Acie Law, Teauge is in the upper echelon around the Lou Will “Red Zone” as far as athleticisiom is concerned….for a guard at least. Teauge also has that Bibby-like killer instinct….he knows when to attack and when to pass. Acie just kept passing. Ramon has that problem too.
Ariose
July 31st, 2009
6:09 pm
Melvin, That was a funny skit lol.
Ariose
July 31st, 2009
6:16 pm
Whare’s Ray at? Somtimes being a Cop just isn’t worth it. I think cops who Mainly deal with house calls/Domestic situations should be paind more.
This guy killed Two cops and injured his neighbor and he was laughing about it in the court room….wow.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5groqwe_UlKO2iHmehLUYZkFD7tIgD99N22RO3
Ariose
July 31st, 2009
6:17 pm
*paid
O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
6:21 pm
With Psycho T expected to miss at least 2 months, maybe that opens the door for Solo to step up (if Tyler’s injury takes longer than expected to recover).
As for Ramon Sessions, I would have preferred to sign him over Bibby. He would probably cost almost the same as Bibby, but he is only 23, defends his position better than Bibby, and he is on the way up (Bibby is on the way down). And if/when Teague becomes our starter, we could trade Sessions later on. Although Bibby is a better shot maker (especially 3pt shooter) and leader (with swagger) right now.
But since we’ve signed Bibby, I dont want Sessions here anymore.
Shawn
July 31st, 2009
6:41 pm
Jesus,
How long is his vacation Sekou is on? I didn’t know you get a 2 weeks vacation. God Forbid you have to write an article every 2 days (that’s how often he writes) about NBA players. What a terrible job!
Shawn
July 31st, 2009
6:43 pm
Lol @ morons on here wanting Ramon Sessions. I see him fitting in and gettin 30 mpg well with Bibby, Teague, Crawford, and Evans, and probably Mario
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
7:04 pm
Hey Shawn,
Sekou is a beat writer, not a columnist. The man travels with the team 6-7 months out of the year and probably has to be on phones or in the office most of the remaining time. That’s not exactly an easy schedule for a guy that has a family.
And as for the “morons” suggesting signing Sessions, it was only one person that suggested signing Sessions. That is “person,” not “people.” If you can’t tell the difference between singular and plural, you sure as hell couldn’t do Sekou’s job.
In any case, if you think it’s such an easy job, how about you apply for it the next time one becomes available? Be sure to send us the cell phone pictures of the AJC sports staff laughing you out of the room.
The Truth
July 31st, 2009
7:21 pm
Look for Philly to make a play on Sessions. They really need a PG.
Ariose
July 31st, 2009
7:21 pm
WOW, Randolph Morris was in the botto mfive in Dime’s list of 08-09 centers….LOL
http://dimemag.com/2009/07/top-10-centers-of-the-08-09-season/comment-page-1/#comment-164068
Hopefully, he won’t be there this season
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
7:27 pm
What a joke. Marcin Gortat as one of the top 10 “impact” centers?
Samuel
July 31st, 2009
7:36 pm
I think you guys are underestimating Lue Williams. Look for him to have a break out season this year. Yall also get me with this “PASS FIRST” stuff. That usually means you can’t shoot. Lou can pass and will. I’ll take a PG who can score and pass. Williams has payed his dues in Philly and now he’s ready. That’s why they let Miller go.
Psyco T out for 2 months.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/31/pacers.hansbrough.injury.ap/index.html
Hoops
July 31st, 2009
8:07 pm
Hey Shawn,
I was the person that started the Sessions Hunt! I like him as a player. I think he could help the Hawks a lot. I have a right to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. Where do you get off on calling someone a moron just because you don’t agree with them? Grow up!
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
8:12 pm
What a joke. Marcin Gortat as one of the top 10 “impact” centers? Again, I bet Will Perdue is wishing he got those kind of accolades for backing up the Admiral.
Hoops
July 31st, 2009
8:12 pm
Shawn,
Oh, by the way, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I would appreciate it if you would us His name in the right text instead of to express your dissatisfaction with someone. Thanks, I appreciate it.
niremetal
July 31st, 2009
8:15 pm
Sam,
Uh…Lou Williams isn’t even a shoot first point guard. He’s an undersized shooting guard. Pretty much all my friends around here are Sixers fans, and pretty much all are screeching for the Sixers to get Sessions because Lou Williams has ZERO court vision, can’t shoot, and takes stupid shots.
He’s tantalizing because he’s so quick. But he needed to spend a year or two in college, and I’m honestly not even sure that would have helped. Dude has no head or feel for the game.
Doug
July 31st, 2009
8:41 pm
Why…why do some keep calling for the Hawks to sign Ramon Sessions?? Or Flip Murray??? Hopefully Sund is better at roster management-construction than you folks! Neither is remotely needed….3rd point gurad???/ What is Crawford? Slahser-scorer off the bench again what is Crawford?? And way better at either than both!!! And Teague will be better than either if given the opportunity. We need 1-2 bigs. Period.