Mini-camp invitees

Hawks rookie point guard Jeff Teague will make his on-court debut with the Hawks in a mini-camp next week at Philips Arena.

Hawks rookie point guard Jeff Teague will make his on-court debut with the Hawks in a mini-camp next week at Philips Arena.

HAWKSVILLE - While most of the rookie/free agent attention is focused on the happenings in Las Vegas, the Hawks don’t have a summer league entry in Sin City.

Therefore, the only chance we’ll get to see rookie point guard Jeff Teague in action this summer is during the Hawks’ mini-camp next week at Philips Arena (it’s not open to the public, sorry, and is barely open to the media – we get to see the last half hour of action everyday, which usually consists of cats shooting free throws and trying half court trick shots).

There is good news, though. Intriguing news, even, when you consider who will accompany Teague on the floor during these mini-camp workouts.

If the (tentative) invite list I glanced at today doesn’t change between now and Monday, recent second-round picks Sergiy Gladyr (last month) and Cenk Akyol (2005) will also be in town for the workouts. I know how much you guys love to examine the web-footage of these guys to determine what you think of their games. But I’m looking forward to seeing them in action and on the floor with guys who could potentially be their teammates some day in the future.

Also joining the party will be blog-fave/road grader Garret Siler, the 6-11, 305-pound big man from Augusta State. We only got a chance to see a glimpse of what he can do when he was in for a pre-draft workout with the Hawks. Now we’ll see what he looks like in game-type action during mini-camp. Then and only then will it be clear if he has any chance at all of coming back for training camp and trying to make the Hawks’ roster (which remains a distinct possibility, from what I’m told).

Other names to chew on the next few days as we get ready for the mini-camp include: G-David Huertas, G- Dionte Christmas, G-Sundiata Gaines, F-Shawn Taggart, G-Corey Williams, G-Anthony Goods, G-John Lucas III, F-Yaroslav Korolev, F-Ivan Harris, F-Frank Robinson (a returnee from last summer and one of my favorite cats), F-Leo Lyons and C-Chris Taft.

I know this is a slight detour from our recent free agent/trade conversations, but this mini-camp should be an interesting study in where youngsters like Teague, Gladyr and Akyol are in terms of when they can be expected to contribute to the Hawks.

487 comments Add your comment

niremetal

July 17th, 2009
12:54 pm

Najeh,

Did Ando bet y’all $5 that we’d be trading Bibby?

Anakin Joe

July 17th, 2009
12:58 pm

I won’t even mention how much someone owes me for the unsolicited playoff wager they throw out back in the September timeframe.

No, Ray, I generally don’t like wagering, unless someone decides to get all fugly about it.

Ken Strickland

July 17th, 2009
1:03 pm

NIRE-I like your thinking. There’s one other thing we can do to ease the double teaming of JJ that won’t require the addtion or substraction of a single player. Woodson can modify his OFF and run JJ off more screens, like Detroit does with RHamilton, instead of having him in so many iso’s and one on one situations. It’s almost impossible to double a player that’s on the move and coming off screens.

Instead of having your frontline players clearing out and standing around watching JJ going one on one, wouldn’t it make more sense to use those players to set screens to free JJ up for an uncontested scoring or assist opportunity? While it’s always a good idea to acquire more talent, isn’t it a better idea to take better advantage of the talent you already have?

As far as this Flip vs Crawford debate is concerned, I’d much rather have Crawford than Flip as a replacement for JJ, if he doesn’t resign. Crawford is a more profilic scorer and doesn’t have to control the ball to be effective. I also like the fact he has superior height, speed and quickness over Flip, although I like Flip as well.

Ariose

July 17th, 2009
1:06 pm

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/50981917.html

Richard Jefferson tells his side of the stoyry.

STRETCH

July 17th, 2009
1:07 pm

Heres what Scoop Williams of ESPN had to say about our Atlanta Hawks:

Mike Bibby at the point, Jamal Crawford at the 2, Joe Johnson at the 3, Al Horford at the 4 and Zaza Pachulia in the middle. And putting Josh Smith as the sixth man gives the Hawks depth similar to that of Denver or San Antonio. Crawford — even with all his inconsistency — could prove to be one of the most important offseason moves in the NBA. If Mike Woodson can establish Crawford’s role by March, the Hawks will be that team no one wants to see come late April. They could be next year’s Orlando.

Add this to a possible big, say a Siler, then they will be in pretty good shape!

nick shay

July 17th, 2009
1:08 pm

I.MUS WRITE –

I’m well-aware of the shortcomings of the Hawks’ “offensive system” (as is the rest of the NBA, unfortunately), but Green still isn’t a good fit here. There’s quite a difference between making good things happen in iso sets (like JJ does a decent percentage of the time), and the things that happen when Gerald Green gets the ball in his hands. He can score occasionally because he does have a smooth j, but he also forces a lot of bad shots and takes a lot of ill-considered forays to the hole (when he gets there, he doesn’t really know how to use his body to finish).

Also, there’s no way he’d ever make it into Woody’s rotation with the way he plays d.

Duke

July 17th, 2009
1:12 pm

Did any of you watch Saundiata Gaines play at UGA? He was a beast as a point guard. He drove them to an amazing SEC Championship Tournament win. He has developed at good shot and is a good ball handler. He will be a Chauncey Billups type guard in the future.

niremetal

July 17th, 2009
1:16 pm

Ken,

I would die a happy man if Woody changed his offense and we started seeing more ball movement and more movement away from the ball. But if it hasn’t happened in 5 years, I’m not banking on it. In any case, I’m not as underwhelmed by our big man rotation as everyone else seems to be. I’d be happy with a fourth rotation big man for insurance – I’d rather have Crawford slashing and dishing than Troy Murphy hawking threes and stubbing his toe every third game…

niremetal

July 17th, 2009
1:17 pm

Methinks that Duke is a Bulldog fan…

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
1:21 pm

Anakin Joe-
I understand that you really, really want an additional front line player to go into the center/forward position. But, I don’t think that Crawford is the piece you use to go get him. Sund has done a nice job getting contracts that are very user friendly, which still leaves us with cap flexability. I think they get Marvin taken care of, which I bet won’t happen until Odom gets his money. Not that the Hawks are thinking of getting Odom, but both sides will probably want to use Odom’s and Charlie V.’s contracts as negotiating points. I think the next move is to relax a little, see how mini-camps work out. Teams will start adjusting rosters as more pieces move, and we can see what we can work out.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
1:25 pm

I would look at the Wizards with Haywood, Blatche and McGee. They have a log jam at center position, which may make Haywood or McGee available given which direction the Wiz are looking to go.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
1:27 pm

Duke- Gaines was a great player at Georgia, but we already have a guy like him in Mario West. Both were very solid college players who stayed for four years and show a high BB IQ and work ethic, but neither has truly NBA level talent. I don’t know where you would put him on the roster.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
1:29 pm

Can we please not try to get Chandler, his contract is outrageous. Much like Gerald Green there is a reason that a guy with his atheletic ability keeps getting moved from team to team.

RealSquawk

July 17th, 2009
1:31 pm

Enter your comments here

HawkKingBibby

July 17th, 2009
1:32 pm

SEKOU, saw your comment about the 2 vet Bigs on your Twitter page. I know you cant give up names but can you say if they are FREE AGENT bigs or have to be aquired via TRADE?

RealSquawk

July 17th, 2009
1:33 pm

Sekou,

What does this pursuite of Barnes mean for Marvin Williams? Sorry if this question has already been asked.

doc

July 17th, 2009
1:35 pm

samuel how big are the popcorn poppers there? geez id never admit lo was from anywhere close to where i was from. samuel you are a strong man.

clyde, dont forget those two big diamonds in his ears that looked like chandeliers. attractive. good one on the pony tricks.

Sekou Smith

July 17th, 2009
1:55 pm

Free agent bigs HawkKing. And the pursuit of Barnes has been wildly overblown, RealSquawk.

chaz

July 17th, 2009
2:00 pm

sign and trade marvin (7.5M) & mo (2.5M) for either

1) chandler (11.5M)
2) camby (9M) & thornton (2M)

sign flip (2-3M) and a SF barnes/green/etc (1-2M)

bibby – crawford – jj – josh – chandler/camby
teague – flip – thornton/barnes/green – horford – zaza
west – morris – other (solo, siler, etc)

let horford start at C and bring chandler/camby off the bench if you like.

chandler/camby and barnes/thornton/green for 12-13M would be a big upgrade over marvin and mo for 10M. it would give us the defensive C we need to compete with the elite teams, and our payroll would be roughly the same as last year.

niremetal

July 17th, 2009
2:03 pm

RealSquawk

July 17th, 2009
2:12 pm

Thanks Sekou cause I have been stressin’ looking at these Marvin Williams vs. Matt Barnes statistics, thinking how they thought he could replace Marvin.

PDubATL

July 17th, 2009
2:17 pm

So if we’re only looking at free agent bigs my guess is that they’re 2 of the following 4:

UFAs – Drew Gooden, Joe Smith, Chris Wilcox
RFAs – Hakim Warrick

These guys are in their own tier talent-wise and the skill drop-off and/or injury risk with the other remaining bigs is fairly substantial.

JSS

July 17th, 2009
2:17 pm

Sekou you’ve watched the League everyday for a period of time… You’ve been at the practices and the camps… Can you once and for all let everyone know whether the Hawks actively practice screening and set pieces (i.e. High picks and rolls, etc…) which includes the aforementioned characteristics? I don’t care if all you do is run i-sos. You still screen to and put picks out there to get people to spots for that to take place…

Games are not about running your offense all of the time (unless you have Kobe or D-Wade to bale out a scheme)… How a offense to a defense is the key.. This isn’t the UCLA double high post offense… Man, I miss KAJ at the foul line making people pay…

JSS

July 17th, 2009
2:19 pm

reacts to a defense, SORRY!!! Have a great weekend!!!

niremetal

July 17th, 2009
2:20 pm

I can’t believe no one has shut down the idiot who is running “Jamal Crawford’s” Twitter page, claiming to be the real deal.

Anakin Joe

July 17th, 2009
2:46 pm

nire, Murphy has played 2 fewer games in the past 2 seasons than Josh. 2. His toe navigation seems much better. And anyone shooting over 40% from 3-point land over the past 2 seasons should never have to apologize for shooting 3s.

But, alas, I find myself defending someone who I used as an example. I would have been thrilled to trade Speedy & Acie for Darko for a single season.

If we’re going the FA route (as Sekou says), I can only hope for a wide-body. Magloire, Foyle or Diogu body types over a Petro, Solo or other long & lean guy. We need someone who comes with the “Wide Load” sign pinned to the back of their shorts.

Anakin Joe

July 17th, 2009
2:48 pm

nire, why, does the Crawford Twitter feed fire off a shot every minute?

bigdave

July 17th, 2009
2:55 pm

hope Lamar doesnt end up in MIA…

Maxx

July 17th, 2009
2:58 pm

I like the Earl Barron addition, he could be just the kind of veteran big that could get some quality minutes, especially in the case of injury, which was our achilles’ heel last year down the stretch… I like the idea of Al,ZaZa and Barron in the C rotation, with Siler playing the Randolph Morris role and Solo basically playing the Othella Harrington role this year…with the addition of Barron, we could see ZaZa and Barron at C and more of Al at his natural 4 position, which I have been screaming for ever since we drafted my man Horfy…I love the versatility of our roster from top to bottom. With our versatility, we can create a lot of match-up problems for other teams, and we all know that in the NBA, it’s all about match-ups

Anakin Joe

July 17th, 2009
3:00 pm

ESPN’s David Thorpe ranked some the rookies after the summer leagues (obviously, Teague was not in the pool of players to be ranked). Here’s an excerpt on Tony Douglas:

6. Tony Douglas, Knicks
I’ve tried to avoid citing statistics in summer league because I’m not sure they are that accurate, but I’ve witnessed Douglas’ masterful execution of the Knicks’ offense: 22 assists to just two turnovers so far. He has also shown the defensive chops everyone talked about before the draft.

RealSquawk

July 17th, 2009
3:08 pm

Lamar Odom would be a fool to make this move to the Heat.
The Heat are in one of the hardest conferences in the NBA.
He would be taking the same money, but over five years.
The Heat have already dumped him once.
As great as Dwayne Wade is. Is he ever healthy enough to get through a season? NO.
So if I am Lamar Odom I am going back to the LAkers for 9 million for three seasons. For one they just one the championship. Two Kobe is going to be better cause he gets to rest for a summer. (Wade took last year off and was supposed healthier then he has ever been)

And if its money you want take the lakers deal make the money in less time and then either way you play it you are going to make more money then in a five year deal as long as you don’t retire.

ALTAman

July 17th, 2009
3:10 pm

JACKIE MOON!! JACKIE MOON!! HE’S CHEAP, HE’S AVAILABLE, HE’S VERY POPULAR AND CHECK OUT THE HAIR!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIeL-_wy9qM

Maxx

July 17th, 2009
3:14 pm

niremetal- I agree with you about Woody’s offensive philosophy, as does everyone else in the world who has ever watched the Hawks…but oddly enough, I think his philosophy just might work now that we have the right pieces in place. If you have two All-star caliber scorers in the backcourt at the same time, such as JJ and Crawford, who does the other team double? They’ll get killed every time trying to hang with those cats (Sorry to use your trademark word Sekou) 1-on-1. Not to mention Jeff Teague will kill you 1-on-1 as well. We really might have the personnel in our backcourt to make a serious run this year. I’m just going to come out and say it: With Crawford, JJ, Bibby and Teague, the Hawks have the best backcourt in the NBA

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
3:20 pm

ALTAman- How do you know Jackie Moon is available?

Publix

July 17th, 2009
3:22 pm

If we don’t do anyting else in the free agency, we HAVE to sign Chris Taft. He is a possible starter for us if coached right. I remember him from Golden State and the way he killed us, especially ZAZA. WE HAVE TO SIGN TAFT.

He is young, can block and is a large presence in the post. WHAT DO YOU THINK SEKOU?

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
3:24 pm

I know this is going to sound stupid, but how do you link to Sekou’s twitter page?

Anakin Joe

July 17th, 2009
3:29 pm

Daniel, try http://www.twitter.com/sekousmith01

See if that works.

Publix, try more medication.

Stinger

July 17th, 2009
3:36 pm

I’m strongly in the Wilcox camp with Gooden a distant second.

I also agree with Anakin Joe that there are talks about a medium to large deal later in the summer. I think it might be / have been for L Aldridge of Portland, whom it is rumored Portland doesn’t see as a max player. BK loved Aldridge whom it is rumored he tried to acquire several times. With Millsap returning to Utah this could be a dead opportunity and thus the movement to back to Wilcox / Gooden / others.

O'Brien

July 17th, 2009
3:37 pm

I like the addition of Crawford instead of Flip. And $2 – $2.5 mil would be a bargain price for Flip. The problem is, unless someone got hurt, either Teague or Flip would not get any minutes. And we complained about Acie not getting any minutes, so I hope we dont do that to Teague.

In my opinion, our front court issues are easy to fix. Sign an established backup PF like Drew Gooden, and then sign one of the wide bodies AJ mentioned (Foyle, Magloire etc).

We still have our MLE, and the bi-annual exception. We can use the MLE to sign 2 big men. Combined with Marvin signing, that would put us about $68-$69 mil in salary, which is about what we had last year.

Jamele

July 17th, 2009
3:54 pm

Hey Daniel, I’m feeling you on that trade with Washington. I say we trade Randmo, a 2nd rd pick, and Solo if needbe to try to pry Javale McGee away from Washington. I think he is a big sleeper. Think with a long athletic, legit 7fter to put with our running team. Could be nice!

Sekou Smith

July 17th, 2009
4:25 pm

Yes they do JSS, not that you could tell most nights when the Hawks’ offense devolves into ISO Joe all night long. It’s one of the more perplexing things about this team. When they run their offense and keep everyone involved things work fine. But they’re too easily led astray on that end of the floor.

The Wiz aren’t giving up J. McGee. No chance.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
4:28 pm

thanks Anakin Joe
Yeah Jamele- I like McGee the most too. I don’t know if the Wiz would be willing to part with him or not. I really don’t know how their front office sees their bigs in terms of value. But with three guys in position, I would think it would be an area to pursue.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
4:29 pm

well, I guess Sekou answered that one. What about Haywood?

I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY

July 17th, 2009
4:40 pm

Jamele i forgot about Mcgee -thats my dude right there….. sekou may be right -i cant see them giving him up for R.Morris and filler. I think he will be a 15/10 type in the next couple years if given consistent minutes.

he would fit in nicely here – that man can scratch his knees without bending-

Art Vandelay

July 17th, 2009
4:48 pm

Big Baby is the next Stanley Roberts. Let him eat his way out of the league somewhere else.

Daniel

July 17th, 2009
4:55 pm

what about Blatche? I know that he is kinda of a lightning rod in DC, and he has had off court issues. Are the Wiz getting tired of him? Would he do any better in Atl?

I.MUS WRITE

July 17th, 2009
4:59 pm

Some body better get moving…… Detroit is looking at adding ……Rasho Nesterovich with Wilcox and Gooden as altrnates……

Just get Josh Boone /Siler and call it a day…….

I.MUS WRITE

July 17th, 2009
5:02 pm

Blatche is not the guy he is more of a wing forward that goes inside every now and then…..Not the wideload AJ spoke of…..He is a nice player tho-

What ever happened to Tractor Trailer- Never mind he sucked…. D Blair reminds me of him

O'Brien

July 17th, 2009
5:06 pm

Well, Yao said he expects to miss the whole season. So that gives Andersen plenty of opportunity for PT. And he will be playing for Rick Adelman, instead of Woody. Can’t say I blame him.

However, one thing the Hawks have over the Rockets is the Hawks is a top 4 team in the East. Who knows where the Rockets will end up.

Daniel,

I’d be surprised if the Wizards trade one of their bigs to the Hawks. We dont have much to offer. I cant wait to see which 2 FA bigs the Hawks are interested in (according to Sekou).

Ariose

July 17th, 2009
5:07 pm

I.mus, you must not have seen Blair in summerleauge? Dude the truth. He’s got some serious post moves. A real beast down there. He’s going to be HUGE for San Antonio this season.