The breakdown
The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on 2002 draft pick David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.
HAWKSVILLE - Things are moving so quickly around here these days, you might mistake this for a regular NBA offseason.
It’s been a long time coming for the Hawks. But for the first time in years, certainly in my years here, things are moving at a fast and furious pace that I think we can all appreciate.
Trades. Free agent signings (and re-signings). It’s all going down before mid-August, which is a welcome change to the Hawks’ recent past, when summer transactions always seemed to stretch into fall.
But in the interest of our collective sanity, can we please cease and desist the needless attacks on Josh Childress (here, on Twitter and everywhere else)?
He’s moved on for another season – back to Greece if you haven’t heard. We can joust about him next summer, when it might actually mean something.
In closing, however, both sides did the right things. Childress couldn’t in good faith turn his back on the kind of money he’ll make with Olympiakos this coming season for a sub-mid-level deal in either Milwaukee or Charlotte, cities that haven’t sniffed the playoffs lately (ever in Charlotte’s case). The Hawks did the right thing in not losing an asset like Childress for a player (be it Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee or Raja Bell in Charlotte) that doesn’t offer much value beyond an expiring contract. They were right to demand more in exchange for a player in his prime (Childress is just 26), be it a future draft pick or cash or something else. The Hawks remain the (NBA) team with leverage where Childress is concerned, and they’d be wise to hold on to that leverage as long as possible.
Moving on, there was this afternoon’s mild surprise that the Hawks traded David Andersen’s rights to Houston for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations. That could be counted that as yet another shrewd and calculated move by a Hawks team that has made many this summer, so long as Andersen doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Luis Scola.
Andersen’s 29 and a longtime pro of consequence in Europe. He’s hardly prepared to surrender his ability to earn more money in Europe for a situation in the NBA that won’t allow him to recoup his losses in a fit to his liking. With the Hawks he would have been stuck behind Zaza Pachulia in the rotation, his only real opening for playing time coming if someone else suffered a serious injury (I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like an ideal set up to me).
In return, the Hawks snagged not only a future second-round draft pick to replace Andersen, they also collect cash believed to be in the amount of $2 million, which comes in handy as this summer goes on (and they continue to scour the free agent landscape for big man help). After years of sitting on their assets it’s time the Hawks started cashing in a few of these chips (Cenk “Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a” Akyol is the next international talent the Hawks must evaluate, to see if and when he might be ready to help the cause).
This is a win for Andersen as well. He should have a clear path to playing time in Houston, provided the Rockets work out a deal to free him from his contract with FC Barcelona. With Yao Ming’s injury situation and the departure of Ron Artest, the Rockets will have to reinvent themselves on the fly (if any coach is capable of coming up with something, Rick Adelman is the man to do it).
It’s just nice to see the Hawks immersed in routine summer business for a change, stuff that doesn’t involve them squandering assets the way they did when guys like Antoine Walker, Al Harrington and Tony Delk moved on without the Hawks getting much of anything in return.
Think about it, had someone told you this time a year ago that the Hawks could get a player of Jamal Crawford’s caliber for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton you’d have jumped on that without hesitation.
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outlaw30079
July 14th, 2009
11:17 pm
I Hope This Dont Come Back On Us
Tommy
July 14th, 2009
11:18 pm
I just hope they bring in a decent big.
Tommy
July 14th, 2009
11:20 pm
If they can bring in someone to solidify the post and contribute in the event of an injury we will be set.
niremetal
July 14th, 2009
11:21 pm
From the end of the last blog, on the Andersen deal:
Not at all saying the trade was affirmatively “good.” Merely saying that from my perspective, this seemed like the reasonable move. The Spurs did almost the exact same thing two summers ago with Scola – they traded him to Houston for a second rounder. RC Buford is probably the best GM in recent NBA history and he basically made the same deal we just made for Andersen – and Buford traded a foreign big man who was younger and WAY more hyped than Andersen is now.
Andersen may turn out to be a good player, and he’s tailor-made for Adelman’s offense. But dude wasn’t gonna come over from Europe to play 10 minutes a game on the Hawks’ bench. I kinda wish there was a way to squeeze more out of him as an asset, but this seems like as reasonable way to “dealing with” Andersen as we could hope for.
niremetal
July 14th, 2009
11:23 pm
$2 mil? Damn. In this economy, that ain’t bad at all…
Dan
July 14th, 2009
11:32 pm
I am starting to like this Sund fellow. I got down on him last summer, after he lost Childress. He has come back strong from that, though.
I can only assume the big man is Chris Wilcox? He makes the most sense. Hope to hear that Sund lands him in the next few days.
Sekou, isn’t Fransico Ellson a free angent? I always thought he would be a good fit here.
Sekou Smith
July 14th, 2009
11:39 pm
I like Elson, too (you might remember he was a hot topic around here a last year and the year before). But he’s not a free agent. He had a player option this season in Milwaukee.
Melvin
July 14th, 2009
11:47 pm
Nire,
Ok I will forfeit debate base on Sekou’s report that Andersen would have been stuck on the bench but I don’t see why. There’s mins behind Josh and possibly some mins at C but hey, I can’t argue that he should play more mins in Houston. But I have a question for you. If Houston is willing to give up a pick and 2 mil in cash for him, then how valuable is this guy? And if he’s not going to get mins, then what’s the purpose in bring in another big? Wouldn’t that person be in the same situation that Andersen would have been in?
niremetal
July 14th, 2009
11:56 pm
Melvin,
Yes, he will be in the same situation that Andersen will be in. The difference is that now we can bring that person in while we have a second round pick and $2 million cash in the bank.
Melvin
July 14th, 2009
11:56 pm
Not sure if this is the real Jamaal Crawford but look what he (or imposter) wrote on his twitter page:
@NBA4EVER just between me and u, Hawks been talkin to bosh
Samuel
July 15th, 2009
12:00 am
Great Job Rick. 2 mil and a #2. Great job.
Raja Bell? Hummmmmmmmm!!!!!
Art Vandelay
July 15th, 2009
12:00 am
Sekou, were you just being flippant with the Cenk Akyol comment, or do you really think there’s a team out there that would give us anything of value for him? Last I saw, he was averaging less than 4 ppg in Euroleague and playing about 10 minutes a game.
And Dan — I like Wilcox too, but it sure would be nice to get a big man who can hit free throws at better than a 50% clip. We had so much trouble with that last year that I’d hate for it to become even more of a liability this year with a brickmason like him.
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
12:04 am
Melvin,
I’d be wary of the veracity of anything posted on Twitter that includes the words “just between me and u.”
But Sekou – do you know if that’s Jamal’s actual Twitter feed?
GuyanaDawg
July 15th, 2009
12:05 am
the Hawks are flyin baby! the team has been fun to watch the past few years and now we are in good management hands. things are lookin up – thanks for all the coverage Sekou! i trust we’ll get one more big before the season to sure up our rotation.
swatguy
July 15th, 2009
12:05 am
Does the 2 million windfall mean ASG will dip into the luxury tax pool?
I’m not sure a rookie backing up Bibs at point guard is safe or wise. Flip I think again is good insurance. For if Jamal spends time backing up Bibby, who will back up Joe. I’m not sure if contenders (or wannabe)develop core players per course.
How about Big Baby?
Since the Clips are losing their minds(see AI), can Camby/Kamen be had easily?
Do the Hornets still want to separate themselves from Chandler?
I suggest, Flip and Solomon signed and the best big option available.
by the way, Othello did some good things at the end of the year, maybe he as position 14. Keep seat #15 open for February(that’s what the big boys do).
Art Vandelay
July 15th, 2009
12:07 am
I would bet the farm (if I had one) that’s not Jamaal’s Twitter feed. The supposed “@JamaalCrawford” account is only 24 hours old and reads like it was written by a 12 year-old. I highly doubt he’d start giving away confidential information (which he has no access to) via Twitter to total strangers.
Samuel
July 15th, 2009
12:07 am
AV,
You are so right. Free throws really hurt us last year, I like Wilcox too but KThomas shoots 82% from the line. I’m just say’n.
Art Vandelay
July 15th, 2009
12:10 am
Oh, and if that is Jamal Crawford’s account, he misspelled his own name. Brilliant.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
12:14 am
AV,
Good catch on Jam mal Crawford name.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
12:16 am
Man i don’t understand why folks would pretend to be other people. Then again, i dont want to know either…
Chea
July 15th, 2009
12:17 am
DAMN I AM OLDER THAN SHAUN LIVINGSTON!
That is all.
Harry Hawk
July 15th, 2009
12:36 am
Are we gonna love Sund if he pays Joe $18-20 million a year?
Probably not.
Nevertheless, the man has done a good job of consolidating this offseason. He also had enough sense not to give Woody a contract extension. That’s probably the smartest move of all.
Grip
July 15th, 2009
12:38 am
I beg to differ, Houston’s GM has done the best job of drafting and acquiring free agents, Brooks, Landry, Taking a chance on Artest, not to mention Scola, Von Wafer, I think we just got hood winked, and San Antone wishes they had Scola right now, Buford got waxed on that one, this is not football,2nd round picks are pretty much a waste in the NBA. Anderson’s issues are tied into woody, who else has players and won’t give the some TIck?? And wilcox is GARBAGE!!! Always has been and will continue to be, I will take Jamal McGlore any day of the week, and he is cheaper. RIck Sund got rid of nine million in salary and took on close to the same in return, the move should have been to acquire a big with that money and sign Flip back, how hard could this have been? Rick Sund has not failed but he ain’t done nothing yet either. The double negative is there for a reason
HawkKingBibby
July 15th, 2009
12:39 am
I dont know if I can be as optimistic as you Sekou. We could have had Afro Power and a nice offensive big coming off the bench for us this year giving us great depth but instead we have a 2nd round pick. That pick will be another Euro that wont be here till 2016 when his rights get traded for a future pick to a team that will pay its players. Walker and Al got us 1st round picks ( one of which helped get us JOE )the other Acie Law helped get us Crawford. I think 1st round picks that helped get us an all star and our 6th man have more value than a 2nd round pick but thats just me.
Reggie
July 15th, 2009
12:57 am
Sekou
What about Ben Wallace coming here? I think its a great fit. He has played under Mike Woodson, & he is a veteran thats been around the league. Thoughts?
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
1:00 am
HawkKingBibby, come on. You think NBA team that would be willing to give up a first round pick (and the low rookie payscale contract) to get a 29-year old with a rep for playing no D even by Euro standards?
And Reggie – don’t think that Ben Wallace wants to play anymore. He’s hasn’t looked like he’s cared this past year…
B-Kitty
July 15th, 2009
1:05 am
We can move on now! Lets go after Wilcox and call it a day. He could be the missing piece(muscle) we need inside.Plus he is good for 10-12pts 10-12 rebounds. Lets move on it. And please let them run this year. If you have racehorses, you have to let them run.
Reggie
July 15th, 2009
1:08 am
what are you talking about? He played on a team that had the best record in the NBA. looks like he cared to me. Okay he is not the player he used to be, but but he can still help this team. he doesn’t have to play 30 minutes a night. him giving us 10-15 minutes is what this team needs.
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
1:14 am
Reggie,
Don’t know what games you were watching if you think Wallace played with half the heart he used to. He was hardly the reason the Cavs won 60 games. A couple dozen people commented on that fact on this blog during the Cavs’ series and after the Shaq trade. My guess is that if he has any desire to play, it won’t be coming off the bench for 10-15 minutes a game .
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
1:17 am
And PS – I am a LONG time fan of Ben Wallace…heck, I’m playing some pickup ball tomorrow afternoon and I’ll be wearing my full Big Ben get-up from Steve and Barry’s (RIP). So this isn’t hate. But the man didn’t really want to play anymore. I saw it, dozens of other people commented on it, and he himself alluded to it when he said he wanted to retire. The fact that he allowed himself to be bought out rather than playing out the season should say how much he wants to play…
mark
July 15th, 2009
1:20 am
Hello again Hawks fans!!!!!!! I agree we need to go and get Chandler because he’s a big man and he can run the floor really well…… Also we really really need to sign Flip Murray back………. And we will really have a good team without Lebron James!!!!! And my line up would be :
Crawford-G
Joe Johnson-G
Josh Smith-SF
Hartford-PF
Tyson-C
So this is my starter line up…. So lets get back on our Twitters and blogs and continue to lobby for Chandler………..
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!!
jeremiah
July 15th, 2009
1:24 am
. We need a big man lets continue to lobby 4 Tyson Chandler, Chris Kaman from the Clippers, he’s a 7 foot 0 also and 265 lbs. JaVale McGee, another 7 footer from Wizards. I watched these guys play and they will really help the Hawks. So lets keep calling and writing in and get on Twitter, Youtube, Myspace, and Facebook. And put pressure on management. Just for trading for Crawford not going to get the job done. Also, sign Flip back. SO LETS GO HAWKS FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hock
July 15th, 2009
1:30 am
Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix. At least the press here aren’t so clueless as to compliment him for these deals.
kirkinga
July 15th, 2009
1:55 am
I guess I have missed something. The Hawks are now in a position to where they can’t use a 6-11 big man who can play a little?
The Rockets are going to sign from what’s left of their MLE after the Ariza. That is the biggest shocker to me. I thought for sure if he didn’t sign with the Hawks it would be because he wanted a ton of money but it turns out that he could have been a Hawk for an amount that was not only reasonable, but would have also allowed the Hawks to sign another big as well.
The Rockets seem quite please ad one local sports talk radio show believes the Rocket’s “picked the Hawks pocket”.
As far as him playing major minutes, that is only going to be the case until Yao returns sometime in the second half of the season.
In fairness, I guess the Hawks felt that his skill set did not match what they needed at this time. He can run the floor, pass, and shoot, but is not a defensive presence.
Maybe, I’m slow, but there sure seems to be a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction permeating throughout our humble blog and within the columns of the AJC. I see would suggest the Hawks are an incomplete team as things stand now.
Even if we sign Marvin, is the addition of Crawford and Teague enough to overcome the Heat, Cavs, and Celtics who all have enhanced their frontcourt advantage over the Hawks? I guess the answer is yes if we’re in position to sell off an Anderson.
Yeah, I must have missed something because I could have sworn people here felt Anderson was someone who could help the Hawks, but now there aren’t enough minutes so we didn’t need him after all.
I guess we’ll see improvement through organic growth, especially with the 6-11 Morris who appears to be the biggest beneficiary in this transaction.
Go Hawks!!
kirkinga
July 15th, 2009
2:04 am
The Magic improved their frontcourt advantage over the Hawks, not the Heat. Though they seem to be working on adding to their frontline as well. I would also add that Toronto vastly improved it’s frontline as well.
Yeah, I’m must be missing something.
Ho Hawks!!
MannyT
July 15th, 2009
2:51 am
kirkinga,
I think the key point about Andersen was the opportunity to play. If he shows up here, he is buried behind several younger players. In Houston, they need bigs now. Even if the money is similar, the Rockets have a much better opportunity.
BWAF
Najeh Davenpoop
July 15th, 2009
2:57 am
“Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix.”
Sarver trades away first-round picks used on future starters, stars, and All-Stars for cash. David Andersen is not Rajon Rondo, Luol Deng, or Rudy Fernandez. The Hawks just traded away a former 2nd round pick who is now 29 years old and offers nothing defensively for a future 2nd round pick and cash. Maybe Andersen ends up helping the Rockets, who knows. This deal could make the Hawks look bad temporarily. I do know this — if there is any kind of big man the Hawks do not need, it is one who doesn’t play D and settles for jump shots. I’d much rather have Chris Wilcox.
kirkinga
July 15th, 2009
3:29 am
Manny T, I understand the argument on it’s face it seems plausible, but I find it unpersuasive because he Anderson’s abundance of playing time is temporary. Even if Yao misses the entire upcoming season, Anderson’s minutes will be reduced once Yao returns.So is a season’s worth of increased playing time sufficient? That seems rather unambitious especially if one considers that the Rockets without Yao, Artest, and McGrady (he ain’t playing a full season soo there’s that) are going to have a tougher time winning in the West than the Hawks in the East.
Of course he may believe the Rockets will not resign Yao and he becomes the starter, but that’s unlikely I think.
I guess what I’m missing is the origin of this lack-of-playing time thesis? Did Anderson ask to be traded to another team, or did the Hawks believe he wouldn’t merit substantial playing time?
If it is the former, then why would he want substantial minutes, but not substantial money? Does that make sense to anyone? A player is going to say “”I’d rather have more playing time and in return I’ll take less money? The Hawks could have easily offered more than what he will get in Houston. So things don’t add up if we look at it from that end.
Now if it was the Hawks who felt there weren’t going to be enough minutes, then I go back to Melvin’s observation that this would apply to any subsequent singing. This too make no sense if one believes that a Wilcox, for example, is a better player; if there aren’t minutes for Anderson,an inferior player, why sign Wilcox or any player superior to Anderson as they are surely going to want to play? And if you are going to sign an inferior player, then you already have one in the 6-11 Morris.
What player that can help the Hawks is going to want to come here if there are no minutes? Theo perhaps? And if Theo, is he enough?
So the Playing Minutes Theory doesn’t seem to hold up to minimal scrutiny from either the player or team’s perspective.
Like I said, maybe I’m missing something?
Go Hawks!!
blue hawk
July 15th, 2009
5:25 am
Andersen was a productive and proven pro veteran, albeit a euro pro. i’d take my chances on that over a college kid second rounder.
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
6:40 am
The point you are all missing is that David Andersen didn’t want to play here. And if that’s the case, you could either let him go back to Europe or find a way to cash in the asset by doing what the Hawks did. Is there a chance he helps Houston? Of course, there is. Same way he could any team. But if the man has no desire to play for the Hawks, you can’t manufacture something that simply is not there. So the wise thing to do is move on and make sure you get something in return. That’s the basis for my entire theory about Childress (YOU DON’T PUNT AN ASSET IN THE NBA).
if Andersen turns out to be as good as Luis Scola, I’ll be glad to come back and bash the Hawks for miscalculating his worth. But we’ll have to wait and see just how good he is, what kind of role he plays on that Houston team and whether or not his impact is any greater than the impact that the Hawks’ 9th or 10th man’s impact is this season.
And as for Cenk Akyol, I didn’t meant that he’ll be the next trade chip … I only meant it’s time to evaluate him and see where he might fit, be it on the Hawks’ roster or elsewhere. I don’t have it confirmed yet, but I’m hunting to see if he’ll be on the mini-camp roster for next week.
I just think it’s time to start cashing in some of these chips the Hawks have piled up over the years.
A Tribe Called Quest
July 15th, 2009
6:57 am
WHY DOES EVERY HAWKS/ROCKET TRADE INVOLVE AVERAGE/CRAPPY PLAYERS OR 2ND ROUNDERS?
BOB SURA
JON BARRY
T. LUE
DAVID ANDERSON
PLENTY MORE
CajunStorm
July 15th, 2009
7:01 am
Sekou, one thing I can say about Sund is he is SHREWD! I like that. Anybody upset over losing Andersen needs to get a grip. He was not coming here for cheap $ and he was going to be the 3rd big off the bench at best. You don’t pay big $ for bench depth, you save for the ELITE player, or spend more on the core group which is exactly what Sund is doing.
As I stated yesterday, we shouuld not be too upset if Marvin takes the one year tenure. With JJ being a free agent next year that will leave us with $22,000,000 in flexibility to re-sign both or go another way. If we do get Marvin on the cheap (5yrs @ $7-$8million) COOL! We keep our core and have young, athletic, high potential, and reasonably priced pieces that we can play or trade.
Can anyone tell me when is the last time the HAWKS were in the driver’s seat with leverage? Easy…..NEVER until now. Well, maybe the last year we had Mr. Dominique Wilkens, Then we traded for Danny Manning. Dang it, that didn’t work out very well did it! LOL
Mr. Egger
July 15th, 2009
7:21 am
Anderson would back up Zaza? Is he really a true big? From reports on his game he reads more like a Keith van Horn, Kyle Korver, Reshard Lewis at best. 6′10, shooter at F, doesn’t sound physical, or like one to bang on the blocks, or like much of a rebounder. He could have taken the place of Solo off the bench maybe, or Marvin’s spot if Crawford and Johnson could start on the wings, but he does not sound like a big man. And the team really needs a big man, a true big who can block shots and bang with physical players like Howard, Shaq, and Perkins. Josh Smith could be that type of guy, if he’d ever focus on playing exclusively around the painted area.
PD
July 15th, 2009
8:12 am
Sekou do the Hawks have to tender Chilly the qualifiying offer ever year to keep his right?
kwooden1
July 15th, 2009
8:20 am
Sounds like a good deal to me. The guy is 29 and wasn’t going to block shots. You can’t wait forever for him to decide if he wants to come to the NBA and Houston was willing to take him. If he wanted to come to the HAWKS it’s a different story, but from all accounts he didn’t. 2nd Rounder and cash is pretty good, considering you get to a retry with the pick (I think he was a 2nd round pick) and money to work with in a tough economy. I’m still hoping Wilcox will want to come here, but I still don’t think the HAWKS can offer him a full MLE. I think the best thing right now would be to sign Solo and call it a off-season. Personally I think Solo just needs more playing time to be a good backup PF/C.
GO HAWKS!!
mountain_jim
July 15th, 2009
8:28 am
Sekou, how do you know he did not want to play here? Reason I ask, the translated articles were saying he really wanted to play in the NBA, but the Hawks did not want to pay him anything, and made a tiny offer. So which is it?
I will only applaud this deal if the 2 million soon goes into upgrading the talent on the court for next season, by signing another big who can contribute on D. And what are the ‘other considerations’. A basketball and some towels? I suspect they picked our pockets as well, we will see. Currently the Hawks are short on big men and Andersen very well could have gotten alot of ZaZa’s minutes by contributing on offense where the Hawks are short on bigs who can shoot from outside, particularly if he had been paired with another cheap D-big.
SpaniardHawk
July 15th, 2009
8:47 am
I like the trade if we use the money to get a center. Maybe Andersen will become a new Luis Scola, but a I have seen him play this year with Barcelona and I think that he is not the player that the Hawks need. But maybe I am wrong.
wordsmithtom
July 15th, 2009
8:52 am
Anderson…please
We just signed Zaza for long term. More physical and younger. He can shoot and will defend. Where’s the place for Anderson now or ever? Get a grip. Sign another banger to back up the power forward and let Zaza do what he does.
Come on, if Anderson was this good, why have 3 different general managers passed on showing him the money???
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
8:55 am
Sekou,
Thanks for all the great updates. As many others are asking, can you explain further the facts that lead to the statement that David Anderson did not want to be here.
Also, your buddy Mark Bradley is painting this move as the ASG going on the cheap. Were do you stand on that take?
I, too, have been impressed with the Hawks this off season. We seem downright professional. Can you imagine that!
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
8:55 am
I meant “where do you stand on that take”
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
9:10 am
Andersen coming to the Hawks was contingent on Zaza going elsewhere. When Zaza returned, that made this a no-win situation for Andersen.
Andersen’s camp asked the Hawks to move him to a team that could accommodate his situation. It’s not unheard of in the NBA … guys wants a better situation. Same thing Acie Law IV’s camp did earlier this summer. This is not complicated stuff.
And yes PD, they have to extend the qualifying offer to keep Chil’s rights. Next summer could be interesting in that regard, especially if Marvin’s an unrestricted free agent along with deals needing to be done for say both Joe Johnson and Al Horford. It could just be really interesting to see what kind of choices the Hawks make if they have all those things to juggle next year.
dap01
July 15th, 2009
9:11 am
Thanks for the update. With the new format, your Blog is much harder to find.
Please send us some big man rumors!
Anakin Joe
July 15th, 2009
9:18 am
nire, I’ve seen you compare our off-season moves to what teams like the Spurs and Lakers have done previously. I’m not sure that a team who hasn’t advanced to the 3rd round of a playoffs can make the same moves as teams with multiple championships in the past decade. Their moves have been to maintain a contending squad… something that we don’t have. A company with 55% market share gets to do things that a competitior with 15% share can’t (or shouldn’t) do. Much like the Speedy/Acie trade, I don’t question what was sent out, I question what was brought back.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
9:27 am
Nire/MannyT/whomever,
This is a bit off topic but do know what happens to the monies thats paid into the luxury tax pool. Is it like baseball, where it’s share amongst the remaining teams thats under the luxury tax cap?
Jay
July 15th, 2009
9:29 am
Sekou,
I understand that the Hawks traded Anderson to Houston for a second round pick, cash ($2Million) and future considerations. Just curious but what might those “future considerations” be?
vava74
July 15th, 2009
9:30 am
Hawks fans are cronic malcontents.
David Andersen averaged 4 rebounds per game in Europe! He will not be a second coming of Luis Scola. He will be a role player, a poor man’s Okur AT BEST.
We need something quite different and I sincerelly would prefer to keep developing Otello who I really believe could be a Charles Oakley type of player within 2/3 years.
Moderaterly talented, physically gifted hardworking guys are essential. Just like Leon Powe (which I would sign immediately).
On a slightly different note, and knowing that we are talking about a guy selected by Rick Sund: does anyone knows the status of Robert Swift? He put very good numbers on his 2nd season and then slipped.
I think he could be – also on the tatoos – a kind of Chris Andersen type of player for us IF he proves to have a brain somewhere and his recent slippage is not due to his lack of effort.
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
9:32 am
Not sure yet, Jay. As soon as I find out I’ll pass it along.
wmatlanta
July 15th, 2009
9:33 am
So SK, who’s your starting lineup now? and what’s Joe Johnson’s contract status? shouldn’t they be talking extension now, or will the lower salary cap keep him here beyond 2010?
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
9:39 am
Another thing, if Andersen has a chance to start in Houston (www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6529269.html) or play behind Horford and Zaza here, why would he want to come to the Hawks, for less money?
Again, I applaud both the Rockets and Hawks for doing a deal that makes sense (those things don’t always happen in the NBA.
If he’s the Rockets’ short-term answer for Yao, which sounds like the plan that is in place, then it makes complete sense for them to do want to get this deal done. And if the Hawks wanted to get something of serious value in return for Andersen, I’d say they did that.
Again, a win-win for both teams. I know it’s rare and that we’re always trying to decide who got the crappy end of a deal. But every now and then things work out for all involved.
Now would I liked to have seen a player like David Andersen on the Hawks’ roster this season? Of course. They’d be better with Childress, too. But that’s just not the way things work.
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
9:41 am
wm, the starting five for the Hawks remains the same as last year. And they have several months to discuss an extension with Joe. There are other priorities (adding another big or two) that would seem to be much more pressing at this time.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
9:42 am
Sekou,
Any rumors on the big men they are considering?
Benjamin
July 15th, 2009
9:51 am
Sekou, does the Childress factor really just boil down to money? I can’t understand why he wouldn’t want to play here, but it seemed this offseason like he came over just to entertain teams like Milwaukee and Charlotte. Why would a young talent that could fit right in and push us up the ladder in a strengthening Eastern Conference want to play for those teams and not the Hawks?
OzinATL
July 15th, 2009
9:52 am
Mixed feelings about this Andersen deal.
Regardless of what has been said, the dude wanted to come and play in the NBA, no question about that, he even had gone on record to say it wasn’t about the money (as he would earn more money in Europe).
When you are looking for quality free agents, this guy is definately in the top tier from Europe (his pedigree for the past 11 years their is second to none – does it translate to NBA success, not always but he has a better chance to succeed than most) and your European free agents are generally cheaper than NBA free agents, and most times, are more skilled dollar for dollar. This is one reason why I am surprised the Hawks traded him after so many years holding onto his rights instead of using his talents (hey, and even though Rockets need big men abd the trade suited them at them moment – do you think the Rockets are going to make a trade such as this (draft pick and money) for a guy they figure will not help them)?
So I guess the questions were:
#1 Did he really want to play for the Hawks?
#2 Was he really that worried about playing time in ATL?
#3 Did the Hawks rally make him feel wanted?
#4 Does the deal help the Hawks now?
#1 Unless Sekou has inside knowledge, I have not heard anything to say he didn’t want to play for the Hawks. Bottom line, he wanted to play in NBA, Hawks owned his rights, he was frustrated that they would not commit to him (money not the real issue). I would be too if a team held onto my rights for so long and I had that type of resume in Europe.
#2, I don’t think this is as big an issue as people realize. He would be playing PF in the second unit and at the moment, who else would be playing this. He averages 20 minutes in Europe anyway, so really, he would not be expecting more minutes than that, and that’s great for backing up Josh Smith. He has shown in Europe that in his 20 minutes he is very productive offensively – which is perfect for your back up PF when you have Zaza providing the muscle. So how would he be playing behind Zaza (isn’t that Solo and Randolph)
#3 I really don’t think the Hawks valued him enough. I actually wonder how many times the Hawks have scouted him live in Europe in those 7 years they have held his rights….probably not enough which again, points to the fact they don’t value him enough. Obvsiously the Rockets do, they have a need, but they must have done their homework to feel this guy can help them immediately without Yao so Rockets valued him and wanted him, Hawks didn’t.
#4 How can it. The Hawks need depth now if they are to challenge for the powers in the Eastern Conference and progress further than last 2 years. Isn’t that what each year is about, getting better so you can challenge for the Title? I think this is a step back, as what can a 2nd round future draft pick give the Hawks now rather than an abled body who would add depth to the Hawks roster and help them over the course of a season. I belive the Hawks have done the right things by keeping everyone together and by adding Crawford they increase their talent and depth. Andersen would have done the same and I believe this is how you win more games, adding a couple of pieces every season (doesn’t have to be majore just contributors) so the Coach has more options (don’t have to get into Woody debate, assume you have a coach who can coach and teach). How does a second round pick achieve this.
All in all, the only way I see this as a good move for the Hawks, is if Andersen refused to want to play for the Hawks. That’s the only way.
Jay
July 15th, 2009
9:55 am
Thanks. By the way, any word on Solomon Jones? Has he gained any weight and was his lack of heft the only reason he didn’t get more run?
vava74
July 15th, 2009
10:11 am
I’ve just checked and Robert Swift’s carreer went down due to injuries and apparently not due to lack of mental stability.
He is only 25 and if he passed a physical and seemed recovered from his injury woes and was available, I would bring him to the camp.
I MUS.WRITE
July 15th, 2009
10:24 am
Proactive instead of reactive……. Thats whass up-if Anderson is’nt coming over then get something for him- Its been 7 dam years this should have happened 3-4 years ago… Who does the man think he is- demanding a certain number of minutes and muney lol……. Demand??? Big sund dont play that -”take 2 mill and 12 minutes a game or get the hell outta here” I luv it……
Just hope he doesnt come over here and turn into a 15/8 type guy…
Now its time for Cynk and this so called marksman we wasted a pick on this year. Good bye Chills nice to know you -go back to Greece and out of our lives -We’re try’n to build sumthing here- get on board or get gone…………
Im starting to warm up to Nesterovic and Joe smith being our new bigs.
Ben
July 15th, 2009
10:31 am
Sekou,
So does this mean we are NOT signing another veteran big man? Bradley seems to think the Andersen deal signals the Hawks are done for the offseason except for Marvin. We HAVE to get some BIGS in here or next season is going to be awful.
PD
July 15th, 2009
10:32 am
Sekou, so Chilly gets another check from the Hawks this offseason? This is amazing!!!!!!
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
10:32 am
Co-sign, OzinATL.
Funny how Chills went from wanting to get his deal done early in Free Agency to not wanting to play for the Hawks anymore.
Funny how Andersen went from wanting to play in the NBA to not wanting to play for the Hawks…
Ernest
July 15th, 2009
10:33 am
Sekou, thanks for your explanations about this trade, especially the one @ 9:39a. Some seem to forget that GMs have to ‘budget’ both dollars and playing time. Andersen was going to get 8-12 minutes/game at most however probably wanted a salary comparable to what he is currently making. I’m sure our budget didn’t allow for that, given the amount of time he would see on the court.
At the end of the day, it’s business….
mountain_jim
July 15th, 2009
10:33 am
Sekou – thanks for these answsers but have you been demoted? Mark and Jeff can talk about the Hawks with links on the main sports page, which is where I tend to stay, but now I have to go down one level and hunt to find the link to your blog. Why is the teams blog section no longer on the main sports page, but fan blog links still are? Not user-experience friendly, AJC.
ATMAN
July 15th, 2009
10:36 am
What is our actual roster right now? Also, what is the maximum number of players allowed on roster?
mountain_jim
July 15th, 2009
10:37 am
Never mind – I see they now have added the link to your blog under the Hawks section on main sports page – good!
matt r
July 15th, 2009
10:49 am
I don’t know, Andersen’s looking pretty good against the Algiris Pickles.
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10:50 am
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HawkKingBibby
July 15th, 2009
10:55 am
Niremetal, I wasnt trying to say that the Hawks should have got a 1st round pick for Andersen. Im saying the Hawks had two assets that could have either played here or have been traded for guys to play here THIS SEASON in Andersen and Chills just two days ago. Now all we have is a future 2nd round pick. How is that anywhere near equal or better than ( as Sekou wrote ) to what we got back for Antoine and Al since those two got us 1st rounders that helped aquire JJ and Crawford?
Samuel
July 15th, 2009
11:00 am
The man has “2nd Round” talent and we got a 2nd round pick for him and 2 million dollars. Cuz, is that pick this next draft? If so, it should be a high pick as Houston will be scrubbing the bottom this year. Good Job Rick.
Lamar Odom Update:
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2009/07/more-odom.html
We just got 2 mil more to offer this man. Just say’n.
C-Horford
PF-Josh
SF-L. Odom
SG-JJ
PG-Bibby
That line up will turn some heads.
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
11:09 am
kirk- a season of significant playing time in the NBA IS enough insentive for a guy coming from Europe. One season in the NBA is enough to improve his stock around the league. So I do understand the move from Anderson’s perspective.
Dos Hawkquis
July 15th, 2009
11:10 am
Can we agree on a few things with this blog?
1.Hawks have about 6mil left to fill the roster. Cayman, Camby, Tyson Chandler make WAY more than 6mil. Stop bringing their names up.
2.Stop bringing the JSmoove for Amare trade scenario. Amare has had major surguries on his knees and eyes, two VERY CRITICAL components to play basketball. Smoove is healthier and younger.
3.Stop talking about FIRE WOODY!! The man has taken the team to 2 playoff appearances, after a 10 yr. drought. He even made it to the 2nd rnd this past season.
4.Flip is not coming back!! Get over it!! You have JJ, Teague, Crawford, and Bibby vying for minutes at the same position that Flip plays. There is only 48minutes in regulation. No need for 5 guys who play the same position.
If we can stick to these 4 principles, it will make reading the blogs eaiser. I try to read everyone’s comments and rehashing things that are not going to happen is wasting time.
I enjoy the valuable insights that I get from SEKOU, DARRELL STARKS, IMUS, NIREMETAL, DOC, KEN S., ANAKIN, BIG RAY, ARIOSE et al. Keep up the good work guys.
Oh yeah…”I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!!”
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
11:16 am
wow dos hawk…. I guess I am just an et. al, booo
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
11:19 am
Sekou….
Still wondering if you would care to comment on Bradley’s assertion that the Anderson deal signals that the Hawks are done with free agents.
I certainly hope not, and the rest of their moves have not seemed to signal anything but smart moves to improve the team. They would currently have 5-6 mil. to sign another front court big (should be more than enough for a wilcox/bass type player).
Is Bradley just playing blog?
kirkinga
July 15th, 2009
11:39 am
Ok, well I don’t know where we were supposed to get that Anderson “didn’t want to play here”? Even still, any increased playing time he get’s in Houston is only for a season at the most. They have a rotation of bigs in Houston too and Yao plays a good 32 minutes a game.
Second, we’re suppose to believe that a guy so worried about his playing time would not also insist on a contract larger than what he is reported to be getting from Houston? Does that add up? He believes he’s worth the playing time but not the money? Really?
And why are people suddenly talking the guy down? Before the trade it was apparent that most here thought he could help the Hawks. Now he’s a bum? I’m not buying it. Dude has good offensive skills, can run the floor (don’t we want the Hawks to run more?), and can pass the ball. He needed work on his defense, but you can’t teach 6-11 and agile.
And ok, let’s accept that it was all about playing time. If Anderson is “stuck behind ZaZa”, well so will any other big they sign. Is another big going to want to come here? Why would he if the Hawks have already signaled that there are not valuable playing time to found for another big man?
Ok, riddle me this (yes I stole that from Ray), if Al, Josh, and ZaZa, were not enough to overcome the frontlines of the Magic(first game notwithstanding) and Cavs last season, why the heck isn’t there playing time for another big man?
Are we saying that Anderson would not have played more than Morris?
The Rockets seem to evaluate players very well.When you think of dufus organizations, the Rockets isn’t among them. They got over on a GM that some believe is the best in the NBA when they got Scola for a song. Funny how they think Anderson was good enough to start and play the 5 for them, but here he can’t get enough minutes on a team that needs to get bigger?
Something is missing.
Go Hawks!!
PD
July 15th, 2009
11:39 am
Yo Daniel Bass is gone (Orlando) Wilcox would be a good look
Ken
July 15th, 2009
11:40 am
If Josh Smith takes a step back this year, we need to seriously look into trading him to Golden State and get Anthony Randolph. The kid is sick, he can already handle the rock and is just as good a shooter already. Plus he blocks shots, rebounds and is younger and less of a headache!
ksleezy
July 15th, 2009
11:46 am
Yo Sekou, I’d love to hear about the Hawks’ plans for Cenk Akyol. Can u ask ur sources? Anyone in Hawksville asking about Chris Wilcox?
kirkinga
July 15th, 2009
11:47 am
kirk- a season of significant playing time in the NBA IS enough insentive for a guy coming from Europe. One season in the NBA is enough to improve his stock around the league.
Gee Daniel I think Childress would disagree with you. Apparently playing for the money in Europe is a much greater incentive than playing in the NBA. Josh could have played this season past season and then cashed in as an unrestricted FA. But off he went to Europe anyway. But now we’re supposed to believe that the opposite is true for Anderson, it’s better for him to play in the NBA, than to make more money in Europe?
I’m not seeing how that works. It seems to be a double standard.
Go Hawks!!
OzinATL
July 15th, 2009
11:53 am
Right on KirkKinga. Always funny how opinions change after the fact. If he is good enough for the Rockets, surely he is good enough for the Hawks bench. I know we are rehashing this, but it could turn out to be a significant trade for both organizations for the upcoming season. Or it could turn out to be a no issue.
Whatever the case, it’ll be interesting to see how much he signs for the Rockets.
All we want is good information and the truth.
Guys, I’m not so sold on Wilcox. For a guy drafted #8 overall, to only average 9.3 points and 5.4 rebounds in 5 NBA seasons playing for not so good teams (meaning he gets plenty of playing time and more freedom than better teams so his stats should be far greater than they are). This is a guy who was once traded for Vladimir Radmanovic – ouch.
From what I’ve heard about Wilcox, he never shows up for a full season and seems to play particularly well around contract time.
He has talent for sure but seems another case of unfulfilled potential.
And what would be his price?
O'Brien
July 15th, 2009
12:01 pm
Kirk,
I would have liked to see Andersen here. But from his perspective, if he can get a consistent 20 minutes a game this season, he gets a chance to show his talent, and hopefully get a bigger contract next time.
If he came to the Hawks, he would play 8-10 minutes a game (unless someone got hurt), and maybe he felt thats not enough time on the court to show what he can do. So from his perspective, I understand his reasoning.
The more PT he gets, the better his chances for more money on his next contract. (His agents probably looked at those DNPCD that Solomon Jones got, along with his inconsistent minutes, and decided they would be better off somewhere else).
Whichever big we get has to realize that they wont get much minutes, so the Hawks might have to overpay for a veteran big, but I think the hawks are more likely to sign a Foyle or someone like that.
On another note, I heard Chills’ Greek team offered Nate Robinson a 2 year deal…
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
12:14 pm
PD- thanks for the update. just got back from vacation, so I guess I am behind. Kinda of a shame that he is in Orlando, I really like his game. I honestly wanted him more than Wilcox, but what will be will be.
I just hope they resign Marvin(obvious) and still add a front court player. They seem to have set themselves up for that kind of move. I just get nervous about money saving plans.
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
12:18 pm
O’Brien nailed it. People here don’t get that Andersen needed to WANT to come here. Unlike NBA guys who are free agents like Wilcox and Gooden, Andersen had a guaranteed contract for $3M that he could return to in Europe. He was NOT going to give that up to play 10-15 minutes a game for us. And that IS all he would have played. Al and Josh are going to get at least 34 minutes a night. Zaza is getting 18-20. That leaves about 10-15 minutes up for grabs at PF and C.
Andersen is 29. He wasn’t gonna have too many more seasons where he could come over and have a shot to be a consistent rotation player in the NBA. Once Zaza was signed, he wasn’t coming here. I know some people won’t accept that, but it’s the reality of the situation he was in. And if you don’t believe me, just read what Sekou wrote in his above posts…
CajunStorm
July 15th, 2009
12:20 pm
Calm down my people. Sund is doing what a responsible GM should be doing, being SHREWD and having direction. In the NBA you can’t spend irresponsibly. Little signings like Speedy Claxton $6m and having Acie sit the bench at $2m KILLS FRANCHISES!! So even if we don’t get ALL the players we WANT, if the team is built responsibly like it is shaping up we remain flexible with a young, athletic, competitive team.
All that being said, ALL OF THE TEAMS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE HAVE FOLLOWED THIS MOTTO. LA, SA, ORL, BOS, CLEV, and even PORT. Sign Marvin at a reasonable price tag bcuz I don’t see a better upgrade for the money, unless SUND pulls a sign and trade for Caron Butler (no $ to do that). We need 10 solid players and 2-3 reserves (hopefuls). We have 8 now: MB, JJ, MW, JS, & AH with JC, ZaZa, & Maurice off the bench. I say sign Flip (we can run small ball with JJ at the 3 & JC at the 2) and a big like Drew Gooden or Wilcox who have both proven not worthy of their draft status’ but GREAT bench contributors. Those moves allow us to compete this year and most importantly for the next 6-8 years!
tjhook
July 15th, 2009
12:21 pm
why didn’t Atlanta try to get one of the 6′7 guys on Houston’s roster? Houston’s roster has been littered with them. And they needed a true big man. You mean they couldn’t give us one banger? We need to cash in those considerations and get a player.
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
12:22 pm
Kirk- I get you on the whole Anderson’s “not that good thing”, that is kinda fishy. But, I can see from the Hawk’s perspective that if the guy didn’t want to come here, then they were able to get some value for him. I agree that the idea of playing for the Hawks “loaded” front court being seen as a hinderance is a little strange also. I dunno either the move is made as a business savy move to improve the team(i.e. they parlay the cash into another player) or it is a move made on the cheap. We will see. I am going to ride with Sekou on this. He alwyas gives us the straight skinny without being a Hawks mouthpiece. So he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Although, I do see where you are coming from.
Daniel
July 15th, 2009
12:26 pm
OzinATL- I too share your concerns about Wilcox, but the flip side of that argument is that you can get a more talented player at a lower price. Also, being in a winning orginization (can we say that yet?) might help motivate him. He is worth a 3 milion for 2-3years to me.
CajunStorm
July 15th, 2009
12:35 pm
By the way my people, $4.5mill should not guarantee ZaZa’s position as #1 backup center/forward. If you ask me we should be looking with an open eye, for someone to compete for his minutes. If Andersen and his camp didn’t feel he could even do that…get the hell on! Randolph is about robotic as they come but I saw him play Dwight Howard in High School (great game) and he very much held his own. I also saw Josh, Dwight, and Morris play together on the ATL Celtics (talk about a draw dropping team)and although Morris was 3rd best on the team he wasn’t far behind. My point is he is 23 and some players develop faster than others. At $850k I pray he is the the guy that can push for time. Not probable but possible.
KJ
July 15th, 2009
12:37 pm
Ken, GS isn’t going to give up their best young player for a bigger contract guy after a down season, in your hypothetical scenario above… Would be awesome, though. That kid is tearing up summer league and will tear up the League when he gets minutes.
As for anyone bashing the Hawks for their role in the Childress saga, you need to stop. We offered him an incredibly fair contract last offseason that he declined. He didn’t want the $5-6 MM a year we offered then, and that’s his loss (well, except for the fact that he is getting mad money in Europe instead). He won’t get a bigger contract next offseason, not when the cap drops 10 percent. Guys like him, the mid-level guys, are going to get crushed next offseason. He made a miscalculation that will alter his whole career IMO. If he is happy in Europe, then no worries, but he may never get an offer as good as the one the Hawks gave him last year. Everyone seems to forget that the Hawks did come through and bring the money they needed to to the table.
I MUS.WRITE
July 15th, 2009
12:39 pm
Enuff of David Anderson already…….. the man doesnt fit what we need so he was shown the door. AL and Josh dont get many touches -so why would DA- He’s a Pick n pop type yada yada- so what if he shoots well for a bigman -with Bibby,JJ,Craw, Teague,Mo all gunning away it doesnt matter he wouldnt get a chance to shoot much.
We need goonz plain and simple and DA is a euro softee that does’nt mix it up. Why would we bring this guy in to Play Solo’s minutes …..8-10 minutes a game and numerous DNP’s coaches decision……..
Bench player is what he is and getting a high second for the guy plus 2 mill is a good deal imo…… why hold his rights for another 4/5 years – Get what we can and call it a day.
Dont like what im hearing and reading about Wilcox -good athlete/talent but doesnt show for stretches of the season……. Dam ,we have enuff problems with our own players in that area………
get me Jamal Magloire -that dude knows his role and all he wants to do is smash sumbody… Ask ZAZA how physical Mags is….. besides he’s a cool guy and wouldnt be a locker room problem.
Dam it …… Lamar Odom is not coming here!!!! Jeezuz
Neither is Stoudamire Bosh or any of these other names being thrown around randomly…….. How the hell r we gonna sign these guys with no real muney to work with.
Anthony Rudolph …………………………….That boi got game -wouldnt trade Josh but maybe Marvin……A 6′11 SF with great handle /athleticism ……That would be nasty
Bibby,JJ,Rudolph,Smoove,Al
Austin Daye will be a longer better version of Tayshaun Prince.
OzinATL
July 15th, 2009
12:47 pm
Maglorie would fill a role on the cheap for 10 minutes a game. Plus, he has another 6 hard fouls to give per game and practices would be a little more intense.
In about 4 years, Austin Daye will be some player. Who will benefit from that is the question?
your pimps in Houston
July 15th, 2009
12:48 pm
We here in Houston love this trade. We got a 3 point shooting 5 to space the floor. Who can pass and dribble. This was a good trade for both teams. Woodson does not play the type of offensive adelman plays. Which for years he has been trying to run and gun.Except with Yao it was hard to do. Now this make us a run and gun offensive explosive team with brooks,ariza,landry, kyle lowery and scola with anderson and maybe waffer coming back. Yes we lost yao and mcshady no mcgrady. But we were able to blow out the lakers 2 games in Houston with that type of offense minus a 5 who could shoot. Add that to the mix even at 25 min a game and you have a sleeper in Houston like the suns of a few years back. Defense is Andersons liability ofcourse. The problem is that in the Nba you only have 3 or 4 bigs who can create a match problem for him stoudamire,shaq,superman, and maybe duncan if healthy thats 10 games at the most. I think we got a key component to what Rick Adelman has always wanted and never had. A guy who can run and gun with his other teammates and pop up and shoot,dribble, and most importantly space the floor. I will take Brooks,Waffer,Ariza,Scola,Anderson over the Hawks any day. thats not including landry,and lowery coming of the bench. good luck beating the magic,cavs,celtics,pistons,Heat giving Away guys who could shoot is that not the whole purpose of being able to play in the nba. I see guys saying he can’t defend our block shots. Ok well you need theo ratliff what did he do for you in the past. I rest my case
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
12:51 pm
I’ve read the Houston blogs. I know y’all think that Andersen is the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki. I guess you never watched the Olympics last summer if you think that…