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If they can bring in someone to solidify the post and contribute in the event of an injury we will be set.

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$2 mil? Damn. In this economy, that ain’t bad at all…

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Melvin,

Yes, he will be in the same situation that Andersen will be in. The difference is that now we can bring that person in while we have a second round pick and $2 million cash in the bank.

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Great Job Rick. 2 mil and a #2. Great job.
Raja Bell? Hummmmmmmmm!!!!!

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Melvin,

I’d be wary of the veracity of anything posted on Twitter that includes the words “just between me and u.”

But Sekou – do you know if that’s Jamal’s actual Twitter feed?

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Does the 2 million windfall mean ASG will dip into the luxury tax pool?
I’m not sure a rookie backing up Bibs at point guard is safe or wise. Flip I think again is good insurance. For if Jamal spends time backing up Bibby, who will back up Joe. I’m not sure if contenders (or wannabe)develop core players per course.
How about Big Baby?
Since the Clips are losing their minds(see AI), can Camby/Kamen be had easily?
Do the Hornets still want to separate themselves from Chandler?
I suggest, Flip and Solomon signed and the best big option available.
by the way, Othello did some good things at the end of the year, maybe he as position 14. Keep seat #15 open for February(that’s what the big boys do).

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AV,

You are so right. Free throws really hurt us last year, I like Wilcox too but KThomas shoots 82% from the line. I’m just say’n.

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AV,

Good catch on Jam mal Crawford name.

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DAMN I AM OLDER THAN SHAUN LIVINGSTON!

That is all.

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I beg to differ, Houston’s GM has done the best job of drafting and acquiring free agents, Brooks, Landry, Taking a chance on Artest, not to mention Scola, Von Wafer, I think we just got hood winked, and San Antone wishes they had Scola right now, Buford got waxed on that one, this is not football,2nd round picks are pretty much a waste in the NBA. Anderson’s issues are tied into woody, who else has players and won’t give the some TIck?? And wilcox is GARBAGE!!! Always has been and will continue to be, I will take Jamal McGlore any day of the week, and he is cheaper. RIck Sund got rid of nine million in salary and took on close to the same in return, the move should have been to acquire a big with that money and sign Flip back, how hard could this have been? Rick Sund has not failed but he ain’t done nothing yet either. The double negative is there for a reason

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Sekou

What about Ben Wallace coming here? I think its a great fit. He has played under Mike Woodson, & he is a veteran thats been around the league. Thoughts?

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We can move on now! Lets go after Wilcox and call it a day. He could be the missing piece(muscle) we need inside.Plus he is good for 10-12pts 10-12 rebounds. Lets move on it. And please let them run this year. If you have racehorses, you have to let them run.

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Reggie,

Don’t know what games you were watching if you think Wallace played with half the heart he used to. He was hardly the reason the Cavs won 60 games. A couple dozen people commented on that fact on this blog during the Cavs’ series and after the Shaq trade. My guess is that if he has any desire to play, it won’t be coming off the bench for 10-15 minutes a game .

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Hello again Hawks fans!!!!!!! I agree we need to go and get Chandler because he’s a big man and he can run the floor really well…… Also we really really need to sign Flip Murray back………. And we will really have a good team without Lebron James!!!!! And my line up would be :
Crawford-G
Joe Johnson-G
Josh Smith-SF
Hartford-PF
Tyson-C
So this is my starter line up…. So lets get back on our Twitters and blogs and continue to lobby for Chandler………..
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix. At least the press here aren’t so clueless as to compliment him for these deals.

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The Magic improved their frontcourt advantage over the Hawks, not the Heat. Though they seem to be working on adding to their frontline as well. I would also add that Toronto vastly improved it’s frontline as well.

Yeah, I’m must be missing something.

Ho Hawks!!

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“Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix.”

Sarver trades away first-round picks used on future starters, stars, and All-Stars for cash. David Andersen is not Rajon Rondo, Luol Deng, or Rudy Fernandez. The Hawks just traded away a former 2nd round pick who is now 29 years old and offers nothing defensively for a future 2nd round pick and cash. Maybe Andersen ends up helping the Rockets, who knows. This deal could make the Hawks look bad temporarily. I do know this — if there is any kind of big man the Hawks do not need, it is one who doesn’t play D and settles for jump shots. I’d much rather have Chris Wilcox.

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Andersen was a productive and proven pro veteran, albeit a euro pro. i’d take my chances on that over a college kid second rounder.

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WHY DOES EVERY HAWKS/ROCKET TRADE INVOLVE AVERAGE/CRAPPY PLAYERS OR 2ND ROUNDERS?

BOB SURA
JON BARRY
T. LUE
DAVID ANDERSON

PLENTY MORE

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Anderson would back up Zaza? Is he really a true big? From reports on his game he reads more like a Keith van Horn, Kyle Korver, Reshard Lewis at best. 6′10, shooter at F, doesn’t sound physical, or like one to bang on the blocks, or like much of a rebounder. He could have taken the place of Solo off the bench maybe, or Marvin’s spot if Crawford and Johnson could start on the wings, but he does not sound like a big man. And the team really needs a big man, a true big who can block shots and bang with physical players like Howard, Shaq, and Perkins. Josh Smith could be that type of guy, if he’d ever focus on playing exclusively around the painted area.

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Sounds like a good deal to me. The guy is 29 and wasn’t going to block shots. You can’t wait forever for him to decide if he wants to come to the NBA and Houston was willing to take him. If he wanted to come to the HAWKS it’s a different story, but from all accounts he didn’t. 2nd Rounder and cash is pretty good, considering you get to a retry with the pick (I think he was a 2nd round pick) and money to work with in a tough economy. I’m still hoping Wilcox will want to come here, but I still don’t think the HAWKS can offer him a full MLE. I think the best thing right now would be to sign Solo and call it a off-season. Personally I think Solo just needs more playing time to be a good backup PF/C.

GO HAWKS!!

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I like the trade if we use the money to get a center. Maybe Andersen will become a new Luis Scola, but a I have seen him play this year with Barcelona and I think that he is not the player that the Hawks need. But maybe I am wrong.

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Sekou,
Thanks for all the great updates. As many others are asking, can you explain further the facts that lead to the statement that David Anderson did not want to be here.
Also, your buddy Mark Bradley is painting this move as the ASG going on the cheap. Were do you stand on that take?
I, too, have been impressed with the Hawks this off season. We seem downright professional. Can you imagine that!

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nire, I’ve seen you compare our off-season moves to what teams like the Spurs and Lakers have done previously. I’m not sure that a team who hasn’t advanced to the 3rd round of a playoffs can make the same moves as teams with multiple championships in the past decade. Their moves have been to maintain a contending squad… something that we don’t have. A company with 55% market share gets to do things that a competitior with 15% share can’t (or shouldn’t) do. Much like the Speedy/Acie trade, I don’t question what was sent out, I question what was brought back.

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Sekou,

I understand that the Hawks traded Anderson to Houston for a second round pick, cash ($2Million) and future considerations. Just curious but what might those “future considerations” be?

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Sekou,

Any rumors on the big men they are considering?

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Mixed feelings about this Andersen deal.

Regardless of what has been said, the dude wanted to come and play in the NBA, no question about that, he even had gone on record to say it wasn’t about the money (as he would earn more money in Europe).

When you are looking for quality free agents, this guy is definately in the top tier from Europe (his pedigree for the past 11 years their is second to none – does it translate to NBA success, not always but he has a better chance to succeed than most) and your European free agents are generally cheaper than NBA free agents, and most times, are more skilled dollar for dollar. This is one reason why I am surprised the Hawks traded him after so many years holding onto his rights instead of using his talents (hey, and even though Rockets need big men abd the trade suited them at them moment – do you think the Rockets are going to make a trade such as this (draft pick and money) for a guy they figure will not help them)?

So I guess the questions were:

#1 Did he really want to play for the Hawks?
#2 Was he really that worried about playing time in ATL?
#3 Did the Hawks rally make him feel wanted?
#4 Does the deal help the Hawks now?

#1 Unless Sekou has inside knowledge, I have not heard anything to say he didn’t want to play for the Hawks. Bottom line, he wanted to play in NBA, Hawks owned his rights, he was frustrated that they would not commit to him (money not the real issue). I would be too if a team held onto my rights for so long and I had that type of resume in Europe.

#2, I don’t think this is as big an issue as people realize. He would be playing PF in the second unit and at the moment, who else would be playing this. He averages 20 minutes in Europe anyway, so really, he would not be expecting more minutes than that, and that’s great for backing up Josh Smith. He has shown in Europe that in his 20 minutes he is very productive offensively – which is perfect for your back up PF when you have Zaza providing the muscle. So how would he be playing behind Zaza (isn’t that Solo and Randolph)

#3 I really don’t think the Hawks valued him enough. I actually wonder how many times the Hawks have scouted him live in Europe in those 7 years they have held his rights….probably not enough which again, points to the fact they don’t value him enough. Obvsiously the Rockets do, they have a need, but they must have done their homework to feel this guy can help them immediately without Yao so Rockets valued him and wanted him, Hawks didn’t.

#4 How can it. The Hawks need depth now if they are to challenge for the powers in the Eastern Conference and progress further than last 2 years. Isn’t that what each year is about, getting better so you can challenge for the Title? I think this is a step back, as what can a 2nd round future draft pick give the Hawks now rather than an abled body who would add depth to the Hawks roster and help them over the course of a season. I belive the Hawks have done the right things by keeping everyone together and by adding Crawford they increase their talent and depth. Andersen would have done the same and I believe this is how you win more games, adding a couple of pieces every season (doesn’t have to be majore just contributors) so the Coach has more options (don’t have to get into Woody debate, assume you have a coach who can coach and teach). How does a second round pick achieve this.

All in all, the only way I see this as a good move for the Hawks, is if Andersen refused to want to play for the Hawks. That’s the only way.

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I’ve just checked and Robert Swift’s carreer went down due to injuries and apparently not due to lack of mental stability.

He is only 25 and if he passed a physical and seemed recovered from his injury woes and was available, I would bring him to the camp.

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Sekou,

So does this mean we are NOT signing another veteran big man? Bradley seems to think the Andersen deal signals the Hawks are done for the offseason except for Marvin. We HAVE to get some BIGS in here or next season is going to be awful.

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Co-sign, OzinATL.

Funny how Chills went from wanting to get his deal done early in Free Agency to not wanting to play for the Hawks anymore.

Funny how Andersen went from wanting to play in the NBA to not wanting to play for the Hawks…

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Sekou – thanks for these answsers but have you been demoted? Mark and Jeff can talk about the Hawks with links on the main sports page, which is where I tend to stay, but now I have to go down one level and hunt to find the link to your blog. Why is the teams blog section no longer on the main sports page, but fan blog links still are? Not user-experience friendly, AJC.

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Never mind – I see they now have added the link to your blog under the Hawks section on main sports page – good!

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The man has “2nd Round” talent and we got a 2nd round pick for him and 2 million dollars. Cuz, is that pick this next draft? If so, it should be a high pick as Houston will be scrubbing the bottom this year. Good Job Rick.

Lamar Odom Update:

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2009/07/more-odom.html

We just got 2 mil more to offer this man. Just say’n.

C-Horford
PF-Josh
SF-L. Odom
SG-JJ
PG-Bibby

That line up will turn some heads.

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Can we agree on a few things with this blog?

1.Hawks have about 6mil left to fill the roster. Cayman, Camby, Tyson Chandler make WAY more than 6mil. Stop bringing their names up.

2.Stop bringing the JSmoove for Amare trade scenario. Amare has had major surguries on his knees and eyes, two VERY CRITICAL components to play basketball. Smoove is healthier and younger.

3.Stop talking about FIRE WOODY!! The man has taken the team to 2 playoff appearances, after a 10 yr. drought. He even made it to the 2nd rnd this past season.

4.Flip is not coming back!! Get over it!! You have JJ, Teague, Crawford, and Bibby vying for minutes at the same position that Flip plays. There is only 48minutes in regulation. No need for 5 guys who play the same position.

If we can stick to these 4 principles, it will make reading the blogs eaiser. I try to read everyone’s comments and rehashing things that are not going to happen is wasting time.

I enjoy the valuable insights that I get from SEKOU, DARRELL STARKS, IMUS, NIREMETAL, DOC, KEN S., ANAKIN, BIG RAY, ARIOSE et al. Keep up the good work guys.

Oh yeah…”I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!!”

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Sekou….
Still wondering if you would care to comment on Bradley’s assertion that the Anderson deal signals that the Hawks are done with free agents.
I certainly hope not, and the rest of their moves have not seemed to signal anything but smart moves to improve the team. They would currently have 5-6 mil. to sign another front court big (should be more than enough for a wilcox/bass type player).
Is Bradley just playing blog?

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Yo Daniel Bass is gone (Orlando) Wilcox would be a good look

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Yo Sekou, I’d love to hear about the Hawks’ plans for Cenk Akyol. Can u ask ur sources? Anyone in Hawksville asking about Chris Wilcox?

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Right on KirkKinga. Always funny how opinions change after the fact. If he is good enough for the Rockets, surely he is good enough for the Hawks bench. I know we are rehashing this, but it could turn out to be a significant trade for both organizations for the upcoming season. Or it could turn out to be a no issue.

Whatever the case, it’ll be interesting to see how much he signs for the Rockets.

All we want is good information and the truth.

Guys, I’m not so sold on Wilcox. For a guy drafted #8 overall, to only average 9.3 points and 5.4 rebounds in 5 NBA seasons playing for not so good teams (meaning he gets plenty of playing time and more freedom than better teams so his stats should be far greater than they are). This is a guy who was once traded for Vladimir Radmanovic – ouch.

From what I’ve heard about Wilcox, he never shows up for a full season and seems to play particularly well around contract time.

He has talent for sure but seems another case of unfulfilled potential.

And what would be his price?

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PD- thanks for the update. just got back from vacation, so I guess I am behind. Kinda of a shame that he is in Orlando, I really like his game. I honestly wanted him more than Wilcox, but what will be will be.
I just hope they resign Marvin(obvious) and still add a front court player. They seem to have set themselves up for that kind of move. I just get nervous about money saving plans.

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Calm down my people. Sund is doing what a responsible GM should be doing, being SHREWD and having direction. In the NBA you can’t spend irresponsibly. Little signings like Speedy Claxton $6m and having Acie sit the bench at $2m KILLS FRANCHISES!! So even if we don’t get ALL the players we WANT, if the team is built responsibly like it is shaping up we remain flexible with a young, athletic, competitive team.

All that being said, ALL OF THE TEAMS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE HAVE FOLLOWED THIS MOTTO. LA, SA, ORL, BOS, CLEV, and even PORT. Sign Marvin at a reasonable price tag bcuz I don’t see a better upgrade for the money, unless SUND pulls a sign and trade for Caron Butler (no $ to do that). We need 10 solid players and 2-3 reserves (hopefuls). We have 8 now: MB, JJ, MW, JS, & AH with JC, ZaZa, & Maurice off the bench. I say sign Flip (we can run small ball with JJ at the 3 & JC at the 2) and a big like Drew Gooden or Wilcox who have both proven not worthy of their draft status’ but GREAT bench contributors. Those moves allow us to compete this year and most importantly for the next 6-8 years!

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Kirk- I get you on the whole Anderson’s “not that good thing”, that is kinda fishy. But, I can see from the Hawk’s perspective that if the guy didn’t want to come here, then they were able to get some value for him. I agree that the idea of playing for the Hawks “loaded” front court being seen as a hinderance is a little strange also. I dunno either the move is made as a business savy move to improve the team(i.e. they parlay the cash into another player) or it is a move made on the cheap. We will see. I am going to ride with Sekou on this. He alwyas gives us the straight skinny without being a Hawks mouthpiece. So he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Although, I do see where you are coming from.

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By the way my people, $4.5mill should not guarantee ZaZa’s position as #1 backup center/forward. If you ask me we should be looking with an open eye, for someone to compete for his minutes. If Andersen and his camp didn’t feel he could even do that…get the hell on! Randolph is about robotic as they come but I saw him play Dwight Howard in High School (great game) and he very much held his own. I also saw Josh, Dwight, and Morris play together on the ATL Celtics (talk about a draw dropping team)and although Morris was 3rd best on the team he wasn’t far behind. My point is he is 23 and some players develop faster than others. At $850k I pray he is the the guy that can push for time. Not probable but possible.

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Enuff of David Anderson already…….. the man doesnt fit what we need so he was shown the door. AL and Josh dont get many touches -so why would DA- He’s a Pick n pop type yada yada- so what if he shoots well for a bigman -with Bibby,JJ,Craw, Teague,Mo all gunning away it doesnt matter he wouldnt get a chance to shoot much.

We need goonz plain and simple and DA is a euro softee that does’nt mix it up. Why would we bring this guy in to Play Solo’s minutes …..8-10 minutes a game and numerous DNP’s coaches decision……..

Bench player is what he is and getting a high second for the guy plus 2 mill is a good deal imo…… why hold his rights for another 4/5 years – Get what we can and call it a day.

Dont like what im hearing and reading about Wilcox -good athlete/talent but doesnt show for stretches of the season……. Dam ,we have enuff problems with our own players in that area………

get me Jamal Magloire -that dude knows his role and all he wants to do is smash sumbody… Ask ZAZA how physical Mags is….. besides he’s a cool guy and wouldnt be a locker room problem.

Dam it …… Lamar Odom is not coming here!!!! Jeezuz

Neither is Stoudamire Bosh or any of these other names being thrown around randomly…….. How the hell r we gonna sign these guys with no real muney to work with.

Anthony Rudolph …………………………….That boi got game -wouldnt trade Josh but maybe Marvin……A 6′11 SF with great handle /athleticism ……That would be nasty

Bibby,JJ,Rudolph,Smoove,Al

Austin Daye will be a longer better version of Tayshaun Prince.

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We here in Houston love this trade. We got a 3 point shooting 5 to space the floor. Who can pass and dribble. This was a good trade for both teams. Woodson does not play the type of offensive adelman plays. Which for years he has been trying to run and gun.Except with Yao it was hard to do. Now this make us a run and gun offensive explosive team with brooks,ariza,landry, kyle lowery and scola with anderson and maybe waffer coming back. Yes we lost yao and mcshady no mcgrady. But we were able to blow out the lakers 2 games in Houston with that type of offense minus a 5 who could shoot. Add that to the mix even at 25 min a game and you have a sleeper in Houston like the suns of a few years back. Defense is Andersons liability ofcourse. The problem is that in the Nba you only have 3 or 4 bigs who can create a match problem for him stoudamire,shaq,superman, and maybe duncan if healthy thats 10 games at the most. I think we got a key component to what Rick Adelman has always wanted and never had. A guy who can run and gun with his other teammates and pop up and shoot,dribble, and most importantly space the floor. I will take Brooks,Waffer,Ariza,Scola,Anderson over the Hawks any day. thats not including landry,and lowery coming of the bench. good luck beating the magic,cavs,celtics,pistons,Heat giving Away guys who could shoot is that not the whole purpose of being able to play in the nba. I see guys saying he can’t defend our block shots. Ok well you need theo ratliff what did he do for you in the past. I rest my case

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And anyone who would take Brooks, Wafer, Ariza, Scola, and Anderson over Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Josh, and Horford is smoking some powerful peyote.

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I agree that Chris Wilcox is a little over-hyped. He took advantage of a great final year in college and got drafted higher than he should’ve. He doesn’t have the mental make up to be the player that his talent suggests. That being said, since we only need him as a 8th or 9th man off the bench I think it’d be good to get him in a low 2 yr deal.

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Ken, I understand where your coming from but already the dude has questionable desire (as you suggested “He doesn’t have the mental make up to be the player that his talent suggests”) and i can only see this getting worse under Woody – which really, doesn’t help at all.

Now, if he is able to get on the same page as everyone else, very good pick up.

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your pimps in Houston

Regarding Anderson, either you are the pimp or you are a high-class 2M cash prostitute. I think the latter. We shall see

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NIREMETAL No we dont think he will be Dirk Nowitzki at all. He probaly compares to a scrub on the Houston Bench called brian cook the most. From the video I have seen. The difference is that Brain Cook can shoot 3’s and thats it. Anderson can shoot,dribble,pass and run the floor something that can create a match up problem for certain teams. The Utah jazz kicked our ass in the playoffs becuase okur would take Yao out the lane and and allow his teammates to drive and shoot and if Yao stayed he would drain the 3. This guy could of helped you guys if you plan on playing the way the rockets played in the playoffs against the lakers run and gun. Except the hawks have like 4 guys that play the same position. We showed what we can do when playin up tempo and Anderson can only help. For 2 million dollars and a 2nd round pick protected. How can you loose. We spent 9 million in the draft buying 3 2nd round picks. Which all 3 look like they might help the rockets specially chase budinger from Arizona who might be able to do the same for us as anderson at the 3 or 4 spot. Which is shoot at a high percentage. Remember our Gm Darryl Morey is a money ball numbers guy he does calculations to determine what guys have the best formula to produce he invented that in Mit along with some other smart punks. We lost our best player in MCgrady our 2nd best player in Yao and we still almost beat the lakers. With the role players so called. The problem is taht they are not role players they are stars. You add a 3 point shooting monter like ariza in the mix and a 3 point shooting 5 like anderson. To a already good 3 point shooting team that can run and is young. you can only go up. Plus we have defensive guys like chuck hayes and shane battier and lowery. so remember you guys in the Atl heard it here 1st rockets 2010 Nba most suprising team. Good coach Good owner Good gm. Good shooting players with great defenders is Moreys formula and it works.

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CajunStorm- When the best thing you can say about a player who is 23 is that he used to be good in high school, tells you everything you need to know about Randolph Morris. He is never going to be any good. Sorry to crush your hopes.

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Hey Sekou,

Are there any big men of substance still available? For what the hawks need (only 10 to 15 m/g) I’d think there would still be some viable candidates. Some guys that they won’t have to break the bank on, besides Randmo, West and them.

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Thanks Sekou-
But we count on you to give us the inside information to the workings of the Hawks orginization. So when two columnist have different views on something as significant as the team direction, well we need answers. BTW, Bradley has already moved on to rehashing the Texteria trade.

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Hey Daniel, you are right! Morris is a Big Robot who has probably regressed since high school. But fa real though, 23 yrs old used to be rookie age. But at less then a million a year, I challenge anyone to tell me he wouldn’t average at least 4pts and 4.5 rebs if he played almost 13 minutes a game!!!

Why do I bring up those numbers? Because that’s what “the prized” Marcin Gortat averaged, who is 2 years older than Morris, and just signed for over $6,000,000/ yr!!1 Come on, folks that is the reality of this game and we’re not playing with MONOPOLY Money!!

Is Morris and Solo the answers? I don’t know, but for the money they are steals…..if WOODY would play them in an organized system. I’m more convinced that Woody can’t do the job, rather than the players we have. DID YOU HEAR THAT MR. SUND?

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BRIAN SKINNER would be a solid add. Ike Diago and Wilcox as well.

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add joe johnson thats 4 players in the same position. What a joke you guys deserve napolean avery johnson as your coach. A houston guy who might know what to do with 4 point guards/2guards. It would take a Houston midget to fix the problems you idiots have with that roster in ATL.

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All the good bigs are gone. We’re scrwed. Our front line is gonna get punished again this season. Just sign siler and be done with it…..

Flip&G.Green Call it a day man…..

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….sorry, just had one of those momnets heh!

GO HAWKS!!!!!

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We needed a physical big that had LENGTH, I thought Frye could provide that. We have bigs, we just neede a LONG & PHYSICAL one for rebounding pourposes. We failed in that particular dept.

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Pimps In Houston talking about ‘protection’ on the 2nd round pick? Whaahhh?

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I really don’t think us Hawk fans have anything to worry about regarding the Anderson trade. He ain’t no Scola nor Pau. Someone said it best, he may be a poor man’s Okur and that’s abject poverty. He may be able to jack them from the perimeter and play the pic & roll but his defense is suspect and that would not be a good fit for us especially if he wanted to play ahead of Zaza. Ain’t gonna happen under Woody. Perhaps Adleman can teach him some serviceable defense.

Don’t get me wrong, he may not be a bad player but at 29 years old and not wanting to play here, what was Sund to do? It’s very simple, if you have an asset that is stuck in inventory, why not liquidate it for cost or better yet (as we did in this case), cost + $2M + “ther assets (”future considerations). That’s a good deal in my opinion. The real comparison will be to see what Anderson does with Houston compared to what Sund will spend the $2m on plus (and don’t forget this), who or what will we get with that 2nd round pick from Houston and don’t forget “future considerations” has been included in the deal.

In short, all things considered we traded a 29 year old 2nd round pick with significant Euroleague experience who has what, 5 or 6 years left in the NBA, vs. $2M + Houston’s future 2nd round + future considerations (whatever those are).

Drop the sentiment and the emotions and look at this deal as if it was another team other than our Hawks, wouldn’t you consider this a steal? I think Sund just picked Houston’s pocket but we won’t be able to fully conclude that until we see the tangible assets we will get in return.

Sund you are the man. Bring on the surprise big!!!

Go Hawks!!!

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Those yahoo comments from RJ calling off his marrage are halarious!!!

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protected 2nd round pick ladies

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Houston will be lucky to get 30 wins. You guys have Tissue Paper Players. Yao Wunfoot Ming & Tracy Band-Aid McGrady. lol

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U gotta be kidding me …….Our starting line would smash those guys. All tho Brooks -Scola- Ariza are nice players.

Anderson didnt even start for the Aussie National Team and this is the guy thats suppose to take yall to the promise land -thatz funny…

Pimp out in Houston or whateva u call urself-I cant wait to play yall this year -when we do and yall take an azz whoopn I want you to come back here and be heard …..

HTown ………HOMER David Anderson….. HAHAHAHA U kill’n me dude……

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Sekou – as ‘beat writer’ how about more detail about the trade – your article said: ‘a future 2nd round pick’ – so what is the year, and what is the protection (if any)? And what are the ‘future considerations’?

If they won’t say, fine – but we would expect you to be inquiring about these ‘beat’ details…. These Houston folks seem to have more info than we do.

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Dekaturking……You wild’n out dude -that was funny LOL

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Dam RJ -That was uncalled for if u knew u didnt want to marry her -U shoulda nixed those ideas from the beginin.. just a bunch of time and energy wasted …..Im straight up so theres never a grey area –

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Stuck behing Zaza? Why cant he backup Smoove at pf? But what’s done is done. Now I can only hope that we plan on using that extra 2 mill on a guy like Gooden or Wilcox.

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Alright guys here is a question for you at the same money who do you want Gooden or Wilcox?

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Mark, it’s Horford, not Hartford for crying out loud. Come on now. Must be a newbie jumping on the Hawks bandwagon. lol!!!

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It seems like every guy we don’t sign here people want to make that guy into a better player than he actually is. Andersen is a soft big who does not rebound or play defense and last time I checked we needed someone who could. The guy did not want to be here after we signed Pachulia. We cant force guys to come here we can only offer them a deal. It is up to that player if they want to be here or not. I think it was a good deal for us. Brian Skinner would be a nice pick up for this team. Give me Gerald Green over Mario…….On a side note, Law is really struggling with the Warriors. I hope the kid gets it together.

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Kirk, why could’nt Ole Woodrow just put Anderson in when we needed offense, if he doesn’t play good defense? Put Horford or Zaza back on the floor on the defensive end. No what I mean?

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At 7 ft tall Andersen averaged only 4 boards a game in the Euroleague. He also was invisible in the playoffs. He can hit a baseline jumper, but he wouldn’t have solved any problems for the Hawks in the paint.

Also, people shouldn’t ignore the $2 million. That may be the difference between getting a serviceable big man as a back-up and not. Some of these teams have nearly unlimited resources, but the Hawks don’t. If they had just traded Andersen for a guy like Wilcox straight up it wouldn’t look bad; the money may make the difference in getting a guy like that.

Any word, Sekou, on what the “additional future considerations” first mentioned were, other than a 2nd round pick?

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I was just reading an article the Mercury news did on Law. They say he is out of shape, has no confidence, the Warriors will probably not pick up his option so he will probably be used as an expiring contract. Ariose if you can find the story link that for me. I was hoping the kid could turn it around but its not looking good for him at all. What happened to the captain clutch Law from college? He cant blame Woodson for this. I cant lie I was one of the guys on Woodsons case for not playing him but it looks like I might have to eat some crow for this one.

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For all the reasons you want to play the Andersen thing in a similar light to Chills situation, I have to disagree. Chills was here and left for a better financial opportunity. Some of you rip him for choosing more money in a lesser league.

Andersen never was here. Now there is stain on him because he wants a better chance to get minutes if he comes over to the better league. He’s older and doesn’t have the career time to wait on the bench to gain the confidence of a new coach. If he is gong to make an impression, he needs a chance to play. While nothing is guaranteed, it is a fact that Houston needs big men right now–so he is likely to get a better shot there. The Hawks just came off their best season in this century–I don’t see Woody wanting to throw a new guy into the mix as quickly.

The good side of this as basketball fans is that we can see what the 2002 pick is like in the NBA. Good for the fans.

BWAF

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O’Brien, I understand what you are saying and it sounds good. While you may have “nailed it” for those fans who have zero intellectual curiosity about the trade, I remain unconvinced and let me tell you why.

There are some here who build arguments around the fact that Anderson made $3 million playing in Europe and that he didn’t want to give that up to play less minutes for the Hawks. Of course others have argued that he made $3 million and that minutes, not money were the incentive for his asking for a trade. Still others argue that the Rockets provide him a showcase for his talents from which he will earn handsome sums in the future.

According to Houston Chronicle:

The Rockets expect to sign Andersen using a portion of the mid-level exception remaining after they were able to use the disabled player exception to sign Trevor Ariza.

A reasonable inference can be drawn that since he is only getting a “portion” of the residual MLE allotment,that he may not be making substantially more than he was making in Europe and could possibly make less. One would certainly think that he would command the full MLE if the argument is he wouldn’t just leave his guaranteed $3 million dollars. At any case, his salary demand doesn’t seem to be as high as some suggest in their arguments.

The argument that he wanted to go play somewhere where he could get more minute sounds good, but doesn’t withstand the slightest bit of intellectual rigor.Players salaries do not always rest on a purely rational basis in professional sports. This argument is the biggest failure as it is thoroughly and completely debunked by recent events.

I give you Marcin Gortat. He averaged 6.8 minutes in 6 games during 07-08. In only 63 games this season he averaged…wait for it…12.6 minutes ppg! (3.8 ppg along with 4.5 rpg). If the argument that Anderson could not reap a salary windfall playing only 10-15 minutes ppg as a Hawk is a sound one, how does one explain Mr. Gorat signing for 5 years $34 million? He was coveted by a number of teams, so it wasn’t just the Magic that saw value in paying a guy who plays about a quarter’s worth of minutes a game, when he even plays in a game.

So while I can understand that any given player may not want to play for a certain team, I am still left with unanswered questions about Anderson and the Hawks. Seems to me that if his concern was playing time and future earnings, all the Hawks had to do was point to Gorat, or even Ariza who has never average 20 minutes ppg. Not to mention, they could have paid him more than he is likely to get from the Rockets.

Also left unanswered is how is it that we don’t have more minutes available for another big man. I thought most here have expressed a preference for another “big man or two”? What happened? Now we have no minutes available? Really?

Is the word out now that the Hawks don’t have any minutes available?Why would any player want to come to a team where there aren’t any available minutes? It’s likely a player who is comfortable getting the most dollars while making the least contribution. That is not how you build a ball team.

I apologize if I am being dense, but given last season’s problems, shouldn’t the Hawks have more than just a few minutes available for a big man that can help them?

If allotting more minutes to Teague and Crawford, is a good idea to take some strain away from Bibby and JJ, then why is it we cannot have ZaZa and another quality big lessening the burden on Josh and Al? And those of you who argue that selling Anderson to the Rockets is a good thing, must by implication, believe that resigning ZaZa is enough.

I strongly disagree.

Go Hawks!!

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Maybe Andersen didn’t like the makeup of our team/specefic players? I know that sounds silly, but you can’t rule that out as a factor. Even though we did just make it to the semifinals.

There may have been something that his agent isn’t saying that he and Andersen have discussed behiend closed doors.

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Sekou,

All of this talk about going after a big, do you know about any bigs that the Hawks have been considering or talking to?

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Kirk,

You made some good points, but like Sekou said, Andersen did not want to play for the Hawks. So rather than have him sit overseas again (and become a wasted 2nd round pick), trade him for other assets that we can actually use (even if its further down the road).

Likewise, Chills doesnt want to play for the Hawks, so I wish the Hawks could trade him for assets that we can actually use to benefit the Hawks. Unfortunately, the Hawks werent able to find a deal they liked for Chills.

Ariose,

I wonder if Boston will match a mid-level offer to Big Baby. For the record, although I wish we could get him, he is probably out of the Hawks price range. The Hawks are probably looking to get somebody in the $2-$3 mil price range.

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O’Brien, I think you’re right. That would be great too. Then we coulf re-sign Flip(maybe) with the remaining 2mill, Sign Gerald Green with the Bi-Annual, and re-sign Solo and Mario.

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Ariose,

I think you’re expecting too much. What I would like to see, is sign Drew Gooden, sign Gerald Green (low risk/high reward), and resign Solo.

We dont need Mario. He averages 5 minutes per game, in about 59 games each season. And Woody does not know how/when to use him anyway. And with both JJ and Crawford to play SG, where would Mario get his minutes? And hopefully JJ will play better defense, since he wont be required to play 40 minutes per game.

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Interesting. Maybe that 2 mill we made today was for Woody’s buyout? lol!!

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HEy Sekou,

From Anderson trade, I understang we got a future 2nd rd pick, about 2 million cash, and future considerations? You have any idea what that is or what it means? And heard any word on Marv’s negotiations or what big men we may be looking at?

Oh, and I heard Josh Smith is out of the country, you know if he’s on vacation or training with someone in particular?

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Ariose, you are looking at the wrong Celtics backup big man. Big Baby will cost too much, like O’Brien said. Leon Powe, on the other hand, is coming off an ACL injury and is probably expendable to the Celtics with Rasheed Wallace in the mix. The Hawks can probably grab him for a minimum contract, and if he returns to form he is a rebounding machine.

I’d like to see the Hawks get Wilcox and then throw a couple of minimum deals (we’re talking well under $1 million) at Powe and Ime Udoka (poor man’s Childress). The good teams always find a way to grab contributors off the scrap heap that nobody else notices — kinda like the Hawks did with Flip Murray last year.

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Ken, where did you hear that from? Who gives out that kind of info? Must suck to be rich and famous. Probably just some idiot using Josh Smith as an alias. Remember Ron Mexico?

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Hey,

First time poster. I am a Hornets fan, but I live in here Atlanta. The Hawks have been a very interesting team to follow. I have to comment on this David Andersen trade, though. I think sometimes when a team is transitioning from mediocre to possibly contending as the Hawks have done over the past two years, we tend to overvalue assets just a tad. As you get better, your frame of reference has to change. The litmus test for gauging whether or not a trade or a signing is succesful isn’t just by asking if said move makes your team better. So, what if signing Andersen makes the Hawks better? How much better? Marginally at best, if you ask me. At what cost? I think Houston is paying him somewhere around 2.5 a season for two years with a team option for a third. At the end of the day, Andersen doesn’t catapult the Hawks to Celtics, Magic, or Cavs territory nor does he add any additional separation from Miami, Toronto or Philly.

Good move by the Hawks.

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Nire,

You and Bradley may need to have a 3 round Blog Death Match… That guy sure does get under your skin. I’m sure you do the same for him as well (although he may not admit it on his blog).

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Melvin,

He barely watched the Hawks during the regular season. I put up the number at some point – he wrote something like 3 times as many articles about the Braves offseason than he did about the Hawks’ regular season. It’s clear he barely watched the team during the regular season. It pisses me off to no end that he writes as if he knows jack about the team as a whole based on what was probably a sample of 5-10 regular season games and 11 playoff games (the latter of which when JJ, Marvin, and Al all were hurt).

He’ll never admit it. But he and I and many other people know it’s true.

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People, let’s be reasonable:

1. We would never contend for the title this year, regardless of ANY free agent available on the market now.

2. IF we keep our heads cool, we may contend within 2 or 3 years.

3. For this, we will need a few things:

a) Re-sign Marvin now;
b) Re-sign JJ and Crawford next year (I really think that he will fit in nicely);
c) Teague must evolve and take over from Bibby;
d) Bibby must be happy to become a vet out of the bench bringing in some steady leadership and clutch shots in controlled doses;
e) J-Smoove must realise that he is a role player (a 5-star role player, but a role player) and concentrate in: Interior defense (not only blocks), rebounding, improve shot selection.
f) Big Al must gain 15 pounds and improve his offensive reportoire.
g) Add a couple of role players or give a chance of what we have to evolve (Rio brings hustle, not only in games, when he plays, but in practice, which is also important, Solo, who has improved marginally every year, but improved, and see if Otello and Morris would evolve if permanently assigned to a NBDL team).

4. STOP DREAMING with big time/mid high level free agents because they will not come to ATL.

5. Stick with the team and things will progress.

6. Don’t bring poisonous characters like Wilcox, Stromile Swift, etc… Bring blue collar workers like Powe, the Collins brothers, etc.

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Tyger posted this on Bradleys blog:

“Where would we have been without Flip?
Flip – $1.5M per year = 12ppg. 2asst 1.1st. 36%-3 1.60 TO
Bibby – $14M per = 15ppg. 5asst 1.24st. 39%-3 1.62 TO
Flip outplays Bibby, but Bibby is rewarded? Flip shows up in playoffs, while Bibby disappears. Flip defends, Bibby cant.
But Bibby is a great PG and 3pt shooter? +.03% 3pt. + 3 assts. +0.14stl -.02 TO
There’s not a +$13M discrepancy btwn these players and even at $6M he’s still not worth it, unless Flip wanted more than $6M per, which is unlikely.
C’mon Sund get it right, give the money to the guys that earned it. Getting Crawdaddy for AC/Speedy was OK but not the orgasmic experience Col. Schultz makes it out to be – alot of teams would love to clear $9M off there books right now.
Is it really genius to re-sign FA off the 1st team to reach the 2nd rd. in 15 yrs??? Similar to Dimitroff, is it genius or was there no where to go but up? No coach – get a coach, No QB, get a QB – hell, I’m batting a 1.000 already. I digress, but the the Falcoons were 2-1 under HOF Emmitt Thomas!
Re-sign Flip, Solo and go get Drew Gooden, 6′10 250 – 12ppg. 7 reb. w/ low-post skills going both ways, you’re going to be active at the trade deadline anyway.”

I freaking agree!!!…

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RE-SIGN FLIP!!!!! DAMMIT….

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Ben Wallace is washed up and Tim Thomas has always been a washed up looser. Why would be add a short and rapidly aging Center (6′9”) who depended on his physical play or a tall perimeter shooter who does not defend, does not work hard and was never involved in anything resembling successful basketball (apart of a few dozen games with PHO)???

Drew Gooden is known to be an extremely dumb player who thinks he is better than he is (kind of a J-Smoove type of character).

Furthermore, he definitively does not want to come to ATL to be a bench player. He will look for a starting job on a lesser team or a bench player on a contender or in a team with a visible star and media exposure (Miami, for instance).

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Im sure this has been answered but why did the hawks not have a summer league team. Many guys have been discovered in summer leagues and we could have seen cenk and the latest second rounder play some with teague.

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Wink,

It’s hilarious that you minimize the height of every Hawks player…and suggest we should have signed two guys (Millsap and Bass) who are undersized power forwards.

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vava74,

Considering our budget/PT available, who would you like for the Hawks to sign?

In my opinion, we should not get our expectations too high for the next big man the Hawks (might) sign. All we want is 10-15 minutes of banging/rebound/hustle/post defense/energy.

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Everyone settle down on Andersen. If anything, this excites me to know Sund has to have another big man in mind to help. If not, why do this? Why now?

We’ll be fine everyone.

Rise Up!

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It ain’t the playoffs yet, is it? So how come Houston fans are talking smack on our blog. It’s only a trade in the off season, people! Hawks must be coming up in the world.

Hope Acie Law makes out well. If he doesn’t have confidence, then he can’t play pro ball.

Fire RandMo!

Hawks still need Flip.

And a big or two. I know Sund knows that.

Go Hawks, Go!

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As for this minutes thing for extra bigs. I can’t imagine anybody believe that. If they watched all the season games and saw the playoffs, they must remember Horford limping to the bench and Zaza having to play extended minutes and the only other bigs off the bench were Solo and RandMo? U trying to win a playoff series with Solo and RandMo? How come Boston has minutes for all the big men they have? Wave after wave of big men they consistently threw at the Hawks? Isn’t everybody here complaining that out starters play heavy minutes? They play heavy minutes because the guys that sub for them are not very good. Hawks need to cut all the dead weight players and invest their money and minutes on players that will actually contribute on the court, so your starters do not get worn down during the long seasons. Hell yeah, their are minutes to go around!

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I have never seen so much love for a second round pick who did not even start on his last team. If you have NBA TV they are showing the summer league games now. Law looks timid and scared out there. He might be on his way to becoming a journeyman if he doesn’t get his head into it.

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P.S. For the cap implications of Boozer’s contract, maybe the Jazz could throw in some cash.

As far as playing time, Booz’ needs less minutes – oft injured. Would really help the front court.

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Ariose,

As far as Flip vs. Bibby I’ll say this. Flip gave a LOT more bang for the buck last year, but his career AST/TO ratio is like 2.3 / 1.63. Terrible.

By the way Bibby was 8th in the league at AST /TO ratio ahead of Nash, Billups and Parker.

Flip never should have gotten minutes at point guard. It robs him of his natural aggressiveness on offense.

AND, as I posted on Bradley’s blog last week:

It’s an underappreciated fact that when we got Bibby our turnovers went down by over 2 per game. And in a close game 2 turnovers can easily be the difference. That CERTAINLY wouldn’t have happened with Flip as PG.

I liked Flip as our “microwave”, but with Crawford here, I just don’t see it happening.

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http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2009/7/15/950470/a-brief-reprieve-on-mike-woodsons

Hmmm….

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Samuel,

id have to agree… we would be making a lil’ noise with the acquisition of one Lamar Odom… only if it were possible…

Nire,
no fan of the move but the closest NBA home to Ben Wallace “Home” is the Hawks…

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the boy game is something ignorant or as i call it (ig-nant) its gonna be fuuuun to watch… ill take him over Flip any day…

Ariose this one for you… you can appreciate good quality youtube… i owe you one for that Smitty throwback…

he does Uncle Ray something dirty at 3:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEuysbhirQ

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bigdave,

Wallace hasn’t lived in the South since he graduated high school, and his home and family are up in Ohio. If he wasn’t willing to play hard for the team that was both closest to his home and the team with the best NBA record, I don’t see why he’d play hard further from home for a less-hyped team.

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And Ariose, I’m 100% w/you on Flip bro.

As you so wisely put it in one of your earlier posts,

“Resign Flip dammit!”

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I’m a Houston resident and Rox fan.

We’re obviously happy to get Andersen. In my opinion he fits, in some ways, the mold of a Brad Miller from the Adelman Kings, Good Passer, Shooter etc. Though Miller is still more physical and a better rebounder than it appears Andersen will be. But you guys certainly made out well for yourselves. Most importantly, you get a do-over on a draft pick (possibly protected) and $2M cash in this economy and falling cap limits.

I also wanted to say I really liked reading your comments. You guys do a good job asking good questions and interacting with each other.

You also did a good job not paying too much attention to that hater from Houston. I was happy to see you guys take Boston to 7 games a couple seasons ago and was glad to see you guys get to the 2nd round this past season. Your bigs really are something to see.

I don’t know how you guys feel about Bibby but I thought that was a great move to help you guys get some veteran leadership from a seasoned pro like Bibby. He’s never been much of a defender but he knows how to run a team. I was secretly hoping the Rockets might be able to get him because of his experience running an Adelman offense but that’s not how it went down.

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Pray tell . . . . . what does future considerations mean? Any guess on this one?

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D From H-Town,

Thanks for showing up and being polite. You’re welcome back anytime.

Best of luck this year, except for two games. heh heh.

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Hoops,

With the ~$6 mil we have left, I would sign Drew Gooden, Jamal Magloire or Adonal Foyle, and Solomon Jones. That way, we have a good rotation, and a lot of fouls. Our front court is way too soft (except for ZaZa sometimes), so I hope we come with a nasty attitude, especially no dunks/layups. How many dunks/layups did we give up last year? Foul them clean and hard, and send them to the line.

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Rasho Nesterovic is a 7-0 ft. 255 Free Agent from the Pacers – think he played with some good Spurs squads before that – maybe he should be in the mix also?

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*and is= and a

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Bigdave, Yes Craword is filthy with his, but he’s certainly not “more explosive” then flip like some ppl seem to be saying.

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Guys i’m trying to break a long post into smaller ones so AJC will accept it…..

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On the flipside (pun-intended), if you search Flip on youtube, you get tons of facials and Gangster-thug like abuse to the rim and his helpless, unsuspecting victims. Which tells me (and you all know this) flip may miss a few jump shots, but he never really goes through “scoring-droughts” because of his ability to attack the rim and get to the foul-line. He’s just a good piece for us to have on our team. And he fit in great with the core; he helped minimized our scoring droughts which plagued us when Childress(no jump shot) was on the squad.

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Believe it or not, Woodson aided in Flips growth as well. He got into it a few time with flip because of his bad decision making at PG, but at the same time he afforded Flip with the playing time to learn from his mistakes and get better as a result of that because Flip is a Vet.

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Yet again…why are some still clamoring for Flip….why….he is utterly redundant and unnecessary with the signing of Crawfors…he is not near the player that Jamal is…cannot function successfully as a point…hence his career 2.3-1.6 assis-to ratio..as opposed to Crawfors 4:5-2.0…The Lakers 5 guards do not have the mind numbing redundancy that having both Flip and Crawford would…they also have a Hall of Fame coach that knows how to use 5 players in two spots…Teague would get Acie-light time and everone would be calling him a bust in two years…SIGN A BIG

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Crawford not as explosive as Flip??? Because Flip has more dunks on Youtube??? You could not find a single league GM or Coach who would buy into Flip being a “more explosive” player…and certaintly nowhere near as good a player as Jamal Crawford,,,,

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Doug, BS….

You must not be reading my posts thoroughly. I SAID that Jamal, Like Joe and Bibby, are JUMPSHOOTERS. When they go through their little annoying droughts, it really stalls this teams offense because our offense runs through or guards the madjority of the time. Flip nullifies their crappy/streaky shooting performances with his ability to get into the paint and put pressure on the opposing teams big men.

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Doug, We can sign flip with the Bi-annual. That leaves the Full Mid Leve Exception for us to grab some bigs and maybe Gerald Green for 800k!!!

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Sorry for the double post

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Doug, I agree with you asupmtion of flip. I was just saying that he added a slightly different dimesion than Bibby, Joe, and Crawford do.

Maybe you are right, but we still don’t know if Jamal will fit in. What if he doesn’t and the expirement is a failure? I’m just saying it sure would be nice to have flip sitting on the bench at that point.

I undrstand that our coach is cousing all of us fans/managemnt alike to rehink the players that we add to this roster. Bit I say why? It’s Rick Sunds job to feild the best/talented team he possibly can. Does not re-signing flip aid that theory? I don’t think so.

Woodson ONLY has one year left on his deal. If he can’t figure out how to manage the minutes of many talented player like the rest of the hed coaches in this leauge, then he should be looking for a new job next summer(but that’s unlikely to happen with the ASG I KNOW).

I understand where you all a rationally coming from. But from a competitive tsandpoint, I personally can’t except the fact that our Genral Manager has to scale down the talent on our roster because Mike Woodson doesn’t know how to manage minutes properly after over 30 years in the NBA.

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Even after all our improvement, we still don’t get enough credit.

who are the top 8 teams in the east in order???
Thomas Beer:

Without putting any real thought into it:
1) Boston
2) Orlando
3) Cleveland
4) Miami
5) Chicago
6) Philly
7) Toronto
Washington (corrected)

Damn – I left Atlanta out? The East 1 thru 9 is going to be a lot tougher than it has been in recent years…

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Aroise,

Look at the question (and answers) Micah Hart ask on his twitter page today:

Trivia question I need an answer to – how many current NBA players have scored 50+ points in a game more than once?

Thanks to all for your trivia guesses – the answer is 12 – Shaq, T-Mac, Kobe, DWade, LBJ, Arenas, AI, Crawford, VC, Jamison, Dirk, and Redd.

Crawford is one of only 8 current NBA players with 3 or more career 50+ point outbursts. Kinda impressive, no?

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G-Man

that 1-8 list alone is why i guarantee at least 70-80% (including myself, and hopefully Sekou) of this blog contributors have no idea who Thomas Beer is… and now i have no reason to…

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Heck, in the great Joe Johnson hadn’t score 50pts in a game. We may need to re-evaluate who should be the 1st option on offense…lol

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Ariose,
Just give him a chance. Let Anakin Joe eat the Crawford crow by himself.

Anakin Joe,
Did you notice half of Crawford highlights (in bigdave link) were passes? May the guy has meet a shot he didn’t like…lol

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I’d rather have a guy who provides a relatively consistent 16-26 points rather than a guy who is as streaky as Crawford. It’s not for nothing that all the teams where he’s been the #1 offensive option have been 20-30 win squads.

Having him as the #2 or #3 option for the Hawks (and #1 off the bench) seems like the perfect role for him. As I said, he can be SuperFlip – come off the bench and do whatever is needed of him, which often will be “shoot with no conscience.”

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i cant wait til we see both Joe and Mal on the floor together… 2 big guards who appear to have the ball on a yo-yo… it defines task keeping each in front… should be very hard for the opposing defense to keep balance…

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Melvin, heh! Yeah AJ cant take all the blame by himself while a watch and whistle like a said nothing hehehe…. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!!

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Ben Wallace is completly WASHED UP and WORTHLESS. I would go with Skinner, Wilcox and even Diogu long before I called up Ben Wallace.

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if Al Horford aint’ a center he sure plays like one…

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Doc,

Are you serious? You would “just as soon” have Marvin as Odom?

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*one

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Isn’t Marvin a FA. I can’t tell. Looks like we is about as “sought after” as his running mate Chills.

Marvin Williams or L Odom.HUUUUMMMMM!!

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Sniper Update:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900026

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And Anakin is on my permanent $hit list. If he hadn’t waffled on his afro sheen offer, we wouldn’t have lost Chills.

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Ariose,

You notice that Patty Mills is getting DNPs all the time too? I think you need to start reevaluating which undersized guards you promote

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Hahahahaha!!!!

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Nire, Patty mills broke his foot last week. He just had surgery on it. He should be back b4 the season starts houh….so they say.

I’ll take full responsibility for Patty Mills’ awsomeness when he’s healthy hehehehe

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*though

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Although on a related note, our old whippin boys (Gardner and Hunter) aren’t exactly tearing it up either. Gardner is 2-16 shooting so far. Yikes…

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Oooh, Didn’t know those two were in sumerleauge, I shoulda figured.

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Cut that out, OZINATL – you’ll get Ariose’s hopes up

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ROFL nire1 We’ll see heh! I got a good feeling about him though

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I know it’s only summer league, but it’s nice to see my boy Brandon Jennings putting up solid assist and steal numbers so far. Every year it seems like there’s some player the media tries to hate (in ‘04 it was Josh Smith) and Jennings has actually been that guy ever since he skipped college to go to Europe. I hope he succeeds.

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can we change the coach already?

man, i’m sure the hawks will be better with a better coach.

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Good morning Hawks fans,
Seems like things have gotten a little slow here.
I hope that we can get some conversation going this am.

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Well Daniell will that help? (Get the conversation going)

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The Truth:
Spot on about Randy Mo. How could he get any minutes with Woodson fighting for his job? The question for me, is he better used as a practice player getting to bang with our young guys, or going to the developmental league? I’d suggest since he’s under contract, let him hang around Hawksville through the first month of the season and see if he gets some burn. If he’s just going to ride the pine thereafter, he’d be better off, IMHO, playing semipro on an everyday basis.

He’s a wellspoken, intelligent young man who believed the hype that he was ready for the NBA when he wasn’t. He needs burn, but couldn’t get it in NY and now can’t get it in Atlanta. If the Hawks can blow out a few teams in the first month, perhaps he can get some minutes of garbabe time here to keep him interested in practice. But, I’d consider him better used as an every day player in the developmental league. I can understand coach’s decision not to play him. I can’t understand the GM’s thinking not to use the developmental opportunity, unless they’ve given up on him already. At 6-11, 275…why give up on him so soon without giving him any work? Giving up on a 23 year old kid who does not show drug and alcohol issues and is obviously intelligent seems a bad idea. IMHO

Yes, he could be another Kwame Brown, but he also could blossom. He’s obviously smart enough; can he develop confidence with experience? We don’t know. I say play him. Here, or in developmental league…..

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mountain_jim- Sekou does come across as a little defensive. I think that he and Bradley are having a beef. I have no evidence to back that up, but I think it is a nice conspiracy theory to get going.

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kirk good to know you still are you.

got to remember that some things dont change. yup still dealing with the basg, they are still going to be very dollar conscious and anderson would have been a unused piece on woody’s bench and an expensive one at that. yup dont forget still dealing with that too. i liked anderson for the hawks last year and he would have been a nice and less expensive piece to bring in once chills flew the coup and would have been the extra depth to have maybe taken some of the pressure of the long season off some of the other guys so they didnt go into fade at the end. he would have been a better choice than mo at times maybe to slide him in and smoove down to three and horford to four at time and provide some offense in a different way or a balance to zaza coming in to provide some outside and counter offense to what zaza likes to do. in the end it would have stretched woody beyond his comfort zone and we cant do that.

yeah cant really argue the points too much and see it all bro but remember the present actors in the play. right now the difference is they are winners and on a roll so they have done it pretty well and to get into much nit picking right now is premature. to me they seem to at least have a game plan and if that 2 mil allows them to feel comfortable in giving a little more money to a big like wilcox or his facsimile then cool or if it allows them a comfort zone in a project like siler then they can feel like they have stolen something from the rockets, which they wouldnt, say for a piece they would have never used. problem is they will not come out and present either scenario like that and we will never know the deeper ramifications of the anderson deal and what it freed up untip it is all over which i hope it isnt. the next card could be the best. so from that perspective based on what they do from here i am cool with it unless they put their folded hands on front of them and do nothing except hold onto the money.

thanks for taking the comments as a grain of sand, just kidding with you as you by now know. cant offer much argument on the bravos. stupid to have not kept tex at any price as he was a cornerstone and stupidly give chipper the bank for three more years as a non cornerstone. tex still had it all in front of him chipper doesnt. if thy werent thinking in those terms when they made the deal then both john s and bobby were losing some of their savvy which as you point out bobby has lost as field general. cant get the team playing better ball or spirited ball and manufacturing runs. good pitching though but that is all that is fun to watch and few people can really enjoy that as i do.

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doc- I agree with you on the Anderson deal. Either Sekou is right, which is to say that they made the best deal they could for an assest that wasn’t going to be used, and will turn that into something. Or Bradley is right and this is a sign that the ASG are making monetarily based decisions and we are done dealing. I guess we won’t know, until we know. I am certainly hoping Sekou is right.

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Sekou: Have you ever heard of any plans that the coaching staff has to develop RandMo? He has size, he is young, he can shoot. Surely that is enough of a framework to work with.

Have you heard….”we are going to get him in the weight room, build him up and slowly work him into the rotation” or “he is working on his post moves this summer” or “once he can do ____ he will be able to contribute”.

That is what I would like to hear about our young players. What are the plans for development?

The same question should be asked about Al Horford, What is he working on this summer?

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Daniel, how do you know Randy is a such a bad player? Nobody’s seen him play. He’s gotten no burn. A minute here; two there….that’s not enough time to get your jock adjusted.

He may be worthless…I don’t know. But, if he was good enough to get Kentucky’s attention four years ago, at 23….I’m inclined to think he has upside. Let’s find out by giving him some minutes; preferably in the Developmental League. Let’s SEE whether he can show REAL potential, that’s all.

If he were a loser, I’d say ex him now. But I know big men take longer to develop and he’s only 23….and he is BIG.

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HAWKS need to package a dead that brings Boozer to Atlanta…. ASAP!!!

I’d give up Marv Williams & somebody else…

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nire, if I had paid for Chill’s hair care products for a year, I would have lost my internet service. So I figured y’all would rather have my daily posts than the ‘fro owning the baseline and crashing the boards. I was correct wasn’t I? Hello? Is this thing on? Tap-tap-tap. Dammit!

IMO, a head coach should not have to motivate a guy who went undrafted, couldn’t find playing time for the bottom-feeding Knicks and was fortunate enough to land potentially his last 2-year contract. That player should be knocking guys out (like Esteban) or be a menace (like Mario) in practice. Y’all need to stop blaming Woody for every player who has poor work ethic. Each and every one of us have worked or gone to school with someone who lacks work ethic and personal accountability. Did you blame your boss for not getting that person to change the fabric of their being? Of course not. This is the NBA not Upward Basketball.

Melvin, I think Crawford will be a lot like Harrington was for us. He will score his points, win a few games, disappoint in more games and when he leaves, no one will remember much about his tenure as a Hawk. They were traded for each other (Crawford & Harrington) and I think we will get that same type of player. I just don’t like the notion of putting $10M in a SuperFlip and $6M in Zaza & TBD-big man. I think that is a poor allocation of the budget.

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wordsmithtom- It only takes a couple of minutes to see the dude doesn’t know a** from his elbow. And Kentucky wasn’t too disappointed to see him go. Dude is not a baller.

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Why is it sooooo hard for some of you to realize the WOODY FACTOR is a real consideration when it comes to signing FA Bigs, or even drafting for that matter.

(1) Why waste money the SAASG either doesn’t have or doesn’t want to spend to sign Flip Murray? He would do no more than duplicate what we’ll get out of Crawford and Teague. You have to be absolutely blind not to realize, at this point, that Woodson can’t or won’t consistently play more than 8 players. He prefers to use 1 center(Zaza), 1 guard(Flip) and 1 forward(Evans). Resigning Flip, and continuing that pattern, would make the deal and money paid to Crawford a waste, along with using our #1 pick on Teague.

(2) NBA FA’s are obviously more intelligent than a lot of Hawk fans. They realize that coming to the Hawks as the #2 backup center under Woodson, could land them in the blackhole created by his inability or unwillingness to manage the mins of more than 8 players. That’s magnified even further when you’re being offered a lowball salary.

Someone mentioned that a 2nd rd pick in the NBA has little value. Well, that’s not the opinion of the more successful franchises, since they pick so low in the 1st and 2nd rds. Since we’ll probably fininh no lower than 3rd or 4th in our division next yr, we’ll end up with another low 1rd pick. We can package that 2nd rd pick, along with our 1st rounder, to move up in the draft, or acquire a quality player in a trade. Don’t discount the value of a 2nd rd pick just because you don’t like a particular deal.

Does anyone else feel we would be in better shape if BK hadn’t been forced out? Consider this:

(1) He obviously valued Chills’ talents and contributions far more than Sund. I have no doubt he wouldn’t signed him to an extension before the Greek offer would have come into play.

(2) I also believe the same would have been done with Smoove.

(3) We still might have signed Flip, but with Chills signed to a long term contract, Evans wouldn’t have been brought on board.

(3) If BK was still our GM, Woodson would be gone and we’d currently have 8 or our top 9 players, AHorford, JSmith, MWilliams, MBibby, JJohnson, ZPachulia, ALaw and JChildress under contract. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU HAWK FANS, BUT I LIKE THIS SITUATION BETTER THAN OUR CURRENT ONE, AND I DEFINITELY LIKE THIS TEAM BETTER THAN THE ONE WE’LL HAVE STARTING THE 09 SEASON. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

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Hey Ken, I don’t discount the value of that 2nd round pick – but apparently Sekou does. Which is why I wondered whether the pick is even for next year (not disclosed in announcement), or if the undisclosed (but rumoured by Houston folks) protection is why the year is uncertain:

Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
5:48 pm

“It’s a second round pick Jim, who cares? Seriously. David Andersen was drafted in 2002 and is just now on the cusp of coming to the NBA. It’s just the way business is done sometimes in the NBA. This is not some covert operation. I’m stunned by all the conspiracy theories. It’s craziness.

Free agency brings out the kook in us all, I guess.”

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Ben, I have a feeling that the Matt Barnes rumor is a contingency if things don’t go well with Marvin. It is more likely a negotiating ploy more than a realistic interest. As currently constructed, there is no room for barnes with Evans and Marvin on the squad. But if one of those guys isn’t here, then Barnes is pretty much the only “affordable” wing player out there who can provide quality minutes on offense AND defense.

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Ken- No way, would we be better off with BK as GM. We would not have resigned Bibby or Za to reasonable contracts. We would have not gotten Evans or Flip last year. I agree it is likely that Childress would be here and Woody would be gone, but I am not sure that is a bad thing.

Now why do you think Woody wouldn’t play his bench more? He plays the guys on his bench that can contribute. Solo got decent minutes last year and even Rio got a couple of min. here and there. Those are your 11/12 guys. Remember Speedy was hurt and so was Acie most of the season. Randolph Morris is complete garbage. So who else should have gotten more minutes last year that didn’t?

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Ken,

I don’t really see your point about this “Woody Factor”. Basically your list is about the same as we have now except for Marvin and Chills. I believe Marvin will be signed and Chills is where he chose to be. We also have Crawford in place of Acie(nuff said).

If BK were still here we probably would have canned Woody and hired some commentator or video man who you guys usually push for. More than likely we would have been struggling for a playoff spot. Definately would not have finished at or above where we did.

So no, your argument continues to be “LAME AS HELL” and purely based on opinion and emotion. You hate Woody, We get it.

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Matt Barnes is decent, but no way an upgrade on Marvin.

Pay Marvin the money, back load it if we need, and let’s move on with filling out the rest of the roster. Let the #2 overall pick develop, rather than allowing someone else to benefit.

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Hey Oz,
which players did you want to see get more minutes last year?

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Oz- I do agree with you on Marvin. I don’t think we need to backload 4-5 years at 7-8 mil. per is very reasonable for both sides. The concern is obviously Marvin’s back, but you are right that we can’t let the #2 pick not maintain value. He will be more valuable, even as a trade piece, with a long term contact at reasonable numbers, or he stays healthy and continues to blossom as a player. Either way it is a win for the Hawks. The only real gamble is that the back reflares and he needs surgery, then you are locked into him. I think we don’t have a choice but to gamble on Marvin staying healthy.

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new blog up

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DANIEL-Woodson is going into his 6th yr as Hawks HC. In the past 5yrs, he hasn’t changed his approach toward developing rookies that aren’t starters, consistently utilizing no more than 8 players and overplaying his starters. He’ll be under more pressure to succeed this yr than at any other time, so why expect an insecure control freak like him to change now, with so much on the line.

SAMUEL-NBA players, and fans with a clue, understand the WOODY FACTOR. It connsists of:

(1) knowing Woodson has been unwilling to devote time and effort into developing rookie players for his bench to replace injured starters, the possible loss of FA’s and reduce starters mins.

(2) Woodson has been unwilling or unable to manage the mins of more than 8 players, and as a result, he’s consistently overplayed his starters.

(3) Woodson has consistently demonstrated his preference for playing less talented veterans over rookies with more talent and/or potential. PG’s AJohnson, TLue and C LWright got more opportunities to start and show what they could do than younger players like SStaudamire, ALaw, BDiaw or SJones.

This means that because of the Woody factor:

(1)we wasted 2nd rd picks on SStaudemire and SJones and a 1st rd pick on ALaw, even though we needed another outside shooter, a 2nd backup center/PF and a backup PG that plays DEF, and has the ability to penetrate.

(2) We’ve had PG problems in one way or another throughout Woodson’s tenure because his issues with rookie PG’s caused us to pass on drafting Allstars like CPaul, DWilliams and BRoy.

(3) We might have missed out on signing DAnderson because of Woodson’s issues with consistently playing more than 8 players and more than 1 big. Who knows how many Bigs we might miss out on because resigning Zaza makes any big we sign now the 2nd Big off the bench, which in the past has meant 10-11 inconsistenat MPG.

It’s telling that in order to make your argument, you pretend the Hawks couldn’t have hired anything better than a comentator because in your warped way of thinking, the organization couldn’t possibly find someone better than Woodson. WITH YOU IT’S ANYTHING TO MAKE A POINT AND AVOID ADMITTING YOU MIGHT BE MISTAKEN. THE SAD THING IS, CLOWNS LIKE YOU THINK NO OTHER HC BUT WOODSON COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS THE LAST 2YRS. SAMUEL, THE ONLY THING WARPED IS YOU.

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