The breakdown
The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on 2002 draft pick David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.
HAWKSVILLE - Things are moving so quickly around here these days, you might mistake this for a regular NBA offseason.
It’s been a long time coming for the Hawks. But for the first time in years, certainly in my years here, things are moving at a fast and furious pace that I think we can all appreciate.
Trades. Free agent signings (and re-signings). It’s all going down before mid-August, which is a welcome change to the Hawks’ recent past, when summer transactions always seemed to stretch into fall.
But in the interest of our collective sanity, can we please cease and desist the needless attacks on Josh Childress (here, on Twitter and everywhere else)?
He’s moved on for another season – back to Greece if you haven’t heard. We can joust about him next summer, when it might actually mean something.
In closing, however, both sides did the right things. Childress couldn’t in good faith turn his back on the kind of money he’ll make with Olympiakos this coming season for a sub-mid-level deal in either Milwaukee or Charlotte, cities that haven’t sniffed the playoffs lately (ever in Charlotte’s case). The Hawks did the right thing in not losing an asset like Childress for a player (be it Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee or Raja Bell in Charlotte) that doesn’t offer much value beyond an expiring contract. They were right to demand more in exchange for a player in his prime (Childress is just 26), be it a future draft pick or cash or something else. The Hawks remain the (NBA) team with leverage where Childress is concerned, and they’d be wise to hold on to that leverage as long as possible.
Moving on, there was this afternoon’s mild surprise that the Hawks traded David Andersen’s rights to Houston for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations. That could be counted that as yet another shrewd and calculated move by a Hawks team that has made many this summer, so long as Andersen doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Luis Scola.
Andersen’s 29 and a longtime pro of consequence in Europe. He’s hardly prepared to surrender his ability to earn more money in Europe for a situation in the NBA that won’t allow him to recoup his losses in a fit to his liking. With the Hawks he would have been stuck behind Zaza Pachulia in the rotation, his only real opening for playing time coming if someone else suffered a serious injury (I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like an ideal set up to me).
In return, the Hawks snagged not only a future second-round draft pick to replace Andersen, they also collect cash believed to be in the amount of $2 million, which comes in handy as this summer goes on (and they continue to scour the free agent landscape for big man help). After years of sitting on their assets it’s time the Hawks started cashing in a few of these chips (Cenk “Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a” Akyol is the next international talent the Hawks must evaluate, to see if and when he might be ready to help the cause).
This is a win for Andersen as well. He should have a clear path to playing time in Houston, provided the Rockets work out a deal to free him from his contract with FC Barcelona. With Yao Ming’s injury situation and the departure of Ron Artest, the Rockets will have to reinvent themselves on the fly (if any coach is capable of coming up with something, Rick Adelman is the man to do it).
It’s just nice to see the Hawks immersed in routine summer business for a change, stuff that doesn’t involve them squandering assets the way they did when guys like Antoine Walker, Al Harrington and Tony Delk moved on without the Hawks getting much of anything in return.
Think about it, had someone told you this time a year ago that the Hawks could get a player of Jamal Crawford’s caliber for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton you’d have jumped on that without hesitation.
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niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:31 am
Although on a related note, our old whippin boys (Gardner and Hunter) aren’t exactly tearing it up either. Gardner is 2-16 shooting so far. Yikes…
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:43 am
I hear ya nire, I just hear because I was keeping tabs on Mills…NOT summerleauge lol.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:44 am
Oooh, Didn’t know those two were in sumerleauge, I shoulda figured.
OZINATL
July 16th, 2009
12:45 am
tough break for Mills, I think if given the chance he’ll be a solid player in the league.
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:48 am
Cut that out, OZINATL – you’ll get Ariose’s hopes up
cp
July 16th, 2009
12:49 am
Odom wants a 5 year deal for around 9 or 10 million a year…I was hoping we would bring Hunter back but maybe not.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:54 am
ROFL nire1 We’ll see heh! I got a good feeling about him though
OZINATL
July 16th, 2009
12:55 am
i still couldn’t believe the dude fell to 55 in the draft. Dunno why, he had a solid, if not spectacular 2 years in college, maybe it was breaking his hand and his size or the fact he is seen as more a undersized combo guard.
He would be nice in a Hawks uniform running that fast paced second unit.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 16th, 2009
12:57 am
I know it’s only summer league, but it’s nice to see my boy Brandon Jennings putting up solid assist and steal numbers so far. Every year it seems like there’s some player the media tries to hate (in ‘04 it was Josh Smith) and Jennings has actually been that guy ever since he skipped college to go to Europe. I hope he succeeds.
OZINATL
July 16th, 2009
1:44 am
what is impressing me about Jennings play is his assists. Usually summer league is about putting up points, but if he is to do well for Bucks he has to dish the ball. I know Bucks have taken a lot of stick for picking him. Hope he does well also.
blue hawk
July 16th, 2009
4:13 am
can we change the coach already?
man, i’m sure the hawks will be better with a better coach.
kirkinga
July 16th, 2009
4:39 am
doc, I’m still the same guy. There’s not a darn thing wrong with my brain. It’s just that I have no problems asking questions, even when the powers to be would rather you shut up and take what they give you. I may have been “Camp Director” last offseason, but it wasn’t forCamp Okey-Doke!
Still haven’t seen anyone really think through the notion that if the Hawks only have 8-10 minutes available for a quality big, then there’s a problem. Lots of talk around it, lots of talk about a guy player who supposedly didn’t want to be a Hawk, but not much to what is going to affect wins and losses.
For the record,I had no attachment to Anderson whatsoever, but that doesn’t mean I have to buy into some of the arguments and statements made about his sale to the Rockets.
It really all comes down to the team doc, every move should be scrutinized. We should ask “how does this move help us on the floor’? And if the answer is that it doesn’t, or that it is some kind of bookeeping move where the team is just”clearing assets”, then I think we fans have every right to ask what the hell are they doing. That is what I did with the decision to not extend, or fire Coach Woodson, and that is what I’m doing with this b.s. All the other moves, I love, I just don’t think they are enough as of yet.
We want a better product on the floor do we not? We want to become an elite team, or at least one that competes for a high playoff position each season, right? Well we need to be deep along the frontline as we are in the backcourt. That’s all I’m pointing out.
I’m the same me, recognizing the positive and the negative, calling b.s. when I see, just like most everyone else here.
(As for the Braves blog, well yeah, definitely more negative there. We’ve got a manager overusing his bulllpen, and it has cost us the lead in the division. And to top it off, they are talking about trading a young SS that is clutch and cheap for the next few seasons, because he is “demonstrative”. Someone has to speak up and point out that cultural differences shouldn’t be the basis for trading players.)
Go Hawks!!
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:14 am
Good morning Hawks fans,
Seems like things have gotten a little slow here.
I hope that we can get some conversation going this am.
mountain_jim
July 16th, 2009
8:18 am
Well Sekou you sure expressed no interest in answering and no value in my question concerning the trade details which still have not been reported – I realize it’s only a 2nd rounder but still, knowing what year, what protection, and what the future considerations were for the deal seem like reasonable questions to ask a beat reporter without being called a conspiracy nut or something similar for wondering why they don’t announce these details (2nd or not). Whatever.
mountain_jim
July 16th, 2009
8:24 am
Well Daniell will that help? (Get the conversation going)
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:29 am
mountain_jim-
I am having to go back and read what Sekou said to you.
wordsmithtom
July 16th, 2009
8:32 am
The Truth:
Spot on about Randy Mo. How could he get any minutes with Woodson fighting for his job? The question for me, is he better used as a practice player getting to bang with our young guys, or going to the developmental league? I’d suggest since he’s under contract, let him hang around Hawksville through the first month of the season and see if he gets some burn. If he’s just going to ride the pine thereafter, he’d be better off, IMHO, playing semipro on an everyday basis.
He’s a wellspoken, intelligent young man who believed the hype that he was ready for the NBA when he wasn’t. He needs burn, but couldn’t get it in NY and now can’t get it in Atlanta. If the Hawks can blow out a few teams in the first month, perhaps he can get some minutes of garbabe time here to keep him interested in practice. But, I’d consider him better used as an every day player in the developmental league. I can understand coach’s decision not to play him. I can’t understand the GM’s thinking not to use the developmental opportunity, unless they’ve given up on him already. At 6-11, 275…why give up on him so soon without giving him any work? Giving up on a 23 year old kid who does not show drug and alcohol issues and is obviously intelligent seems a bad idea. IMHO
Yes, he could be another Kwame Brown, but he also could blossom. He’s obviously smart enough; can he develop confidence with experience? We don’t know. I say play him. Here, or in developmental league…..
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:38 am
wordsmith-
I don’t have anything personal against Randolph Morris. Probably a nice guy. But, that guy is one of the worst basketball players I have EVER seen. He has NO upside. He is still living off his high school rep from 7 years ago. I would literally rather have a turnip on the bench than Morris. I don’t know how he could even be valuable as a practice player, when you can hire a tackling dummy to do his job. This is not AAU ball from 2002, this is the NBA in 2009 and the guy is not a player. If he were making 2 dollars from the Hawks then he is still stealing money.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:40 am
mountain_jim- Sekou does come across as a little defensive. I think that he and Bradley are having a beef. I have no evidence to back that up, but I think it is a nice conspiracy theory to get going.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:41 am
If Randolph Morris were to become Kwame Brown that would be a significant upgrade for him.
doc
July 16th, 2009
8:42 am
kirk good to know you still are you.
got to remember that some things dont change. yup still dealing with the basg, they are still going to be very dollar conscious and anderson would have been a unused piece on woody’s bench and an expensive one at that. yup dont forget still dealing with that too. i liked anderson for the hawks last year and he would have been a nice and less expensive piece to bring in once chills flew the coup and would have been the extra depth to have maybe taken some of the pressure of the long season off some of the other guys so they didnt go into fade at the end. he would have been a better choice than mo at times maybe to slide him in and smoove down to three and horford to four at time and provide some offense in a different way or a balance to zaza coming in to provide some outside and counter offense to what zaza likes to do. in the end it would have stretched woody beyond his comfort zone and we cant do that.
yeah cant really argue the points too much and see it all bro but remember the present actors in the play. right now the difference is they are winners and on a roll so they have done it pretty well and to get into much nit picking right now is premature. to me they seem to at least have a game plan and if that 2 mil allows them to feel comfortable in giving a little more money to a big like wilcox or his facsimile then cool or if it allows them a comfort zone in a project like siler then they can feel like they have stolen something from the rockets, which they wouldnt, say for a piece they would have never used. problem is they will not come out and present either scenario like that and we will never know the deeper ramifications of the anderson deal and what it freed up untip it is all over which i hope it isnt. the next card could be the best. so from that perspective based on what they do from here i am cool with it unless they put their folded hands on front of them and do nothing except hold onto the money.
thanks for taking the comments as a grain of sand, just kidding with you as you by now know. cant offer much argument on the bravos. stupid to have not kept tex at any price as he was a cornerstone and stupidly give chipper the bank for three more years as a non cornerstone. tex still had it all in front of him chipper doesnt. if thy werent thinking in those terms when they made the deal then both john s and bobby were losing some of their savvy which as you point out bobby has lost as field general. cant get the team playing better ball or spirited ball and manufacturing runs. good pitching though but that is all that is fun to watch and few people can really enjoy that as i do.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:43 am
I don’t use drugs or drink alcohol either, but I have no business being on the Hawks roster. I am pretty intelligent and well spoken, too. Still couldn’t get on the court in the NBA, except to play some promotion.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
8:47 am
doc- I agree with you on the Anderson deal. Either Sekou is right, which is to say that they made the best deal they could for an assest that wasn’t going to be used, and will turn that into something. Or Bradley is right and this is a sign that the ASG are making monetarily based decisions and we are done dealing. I guess we won’t know, until we know. I am certainly hoping Sekou is right.
ILL-logical
July 16th, 2009
9:01 am
How about they are both right: the BASG has financial issues and the Anderson deal ,like the Acie/Speedie deal got them some motion without a lot of heat, financially speaking.
There are no plans for a championship run in 2009-10. however, pending the outcome of the litigation and the resolution of some related issues, there will be a solid season ahead with a propbable third consecutive playoff appearence. Could that have even been considered possible a couple of years ago; for any Atlanta pro franchise?
dap01
July 16th, 2009
9:09 am
Sekou: Have you ever heard of any plans that the coaching staff has to develop RandMo? He has size, he is young, he can shoot. Surely that is enough of a framework to work with.
Have you heard….”we are going to get him in the weight room, build him up and slowly work him into the rotation” or “he is working on his post moves this summer” or “once he can do ____ he will be able to contribute”.
That is what I would like to hear about our young players. What are the plans for development?
The same question should be asked about Al Horford, What is he working on this summer?
Hawk n the Ham
July 16th, 2009
9:11 am
*Knock*Knock*
Lamar Odom??
*Knock*
Baby Davis??
Anyone there? Want to come to ATL???
PLEASE?????
wordsmithtom
July 16th, 2009
9:24 am
Daniel, how do you know Randy is a such a bad player? Nobody’s seen him play. He’s gotten no burn. A minute here; two there….that’s not enough time to get your jock adjusted.
He may be worthless…I don’t know. But, if he was good enough to get Kentucky’s attention four years ago, at 23….I’m inclined to think he has upside. Let’s find out by giving him some minutes; preferably in the Developmental League. Let’s SEE whether he can show REAL potential, that’s all.
If he were a loser, I’d say ex him now. But I know big men take longer to develop and he’s only 23….and he is BIG.
Steve
July 16th, 2009
9:37 am
Anybody know what the hold up with Marvin is? The difference between $37.5 and 40m. seem pretty minute when talking about the NBA. Really want to see him in a Hawks uniform.
atlsouthside
July 16th, 2009
9:42 am
HAWKS need to package a dead that brings Boozer to Atlanta…. ASAP!!!
I’d give up Marv Williams & somebody else…
atlsouthside
July 16th, 2009
9:44 am
Odom would be a good addition as well…. We just need a tall dude who is athletic enough to run the floor, he doesnt necessarily have to be a scorer…. A “stud” like Boozer is ideal tho… averaging 20pts and 10 rebs
Anakin Joe
July 16th, 2009
9:49 am
nire, if I had paid for Chill’s hair care products for a year, I would have lost my internet service. So I figured y’all would rather have my daily posts than the ‘fro owning the baseline and crashing the boards. I was correct wasn’t I? Hello? Is this thing on? Tap-tap-tap. Dammit!
IMO, a head coach should not have to motivate a guy who went undrafted, couldn’t find playing time for the bottom-feeding Knicks and was fortunate enough to land potentially his last 2-year contract. That player should be knocking guys out (like Esteban) or be a menace (like Mario) in practice. Y’all need to stop blaming Woody for every player who has poor work ethic. Each and every one of us have worked or gone to school with someone who lacks work ethic and personal accountability. Did you blame your boss for not getting that person to change the fabric of their being? Of course not. This is the NBA not Upward Basketball.
Melvin, I think Crawford will be a lot like Harrington was for us. He will score his points, win a few games, disappoint in more games and when he leaves, no one will remember much about his tenure as a Hawk. They were traded for each other (Crawford & Harrington) and I think we will get that same type of player. I just don’t like the notion of putting $10M in a SuperFlip and $6M in Zaza & TBD-big man. I think that is a poor allocation of the budget.
I MUS WRITE
July 16th, 2009
9:51 am
Dam Terrel calm down homie -No body said Austin Daye was gonna be like Mike or be the next Magic Johnson….Jeezuz -I said he would be a bigger possibly better version of tayshaun prince…..
The guy is 6′11 with crazy wingspan and shoots the rock really well from the outside…….. Who gets caught up in summer league-u must spaek for yourself
Dam man-Acie Law was the RMR MVP last year and look at him now,looking like a bag of crap this year- I know hoops my man -so I dont put alot into undrafted players and rookies….70% of those guys wont make an NBA roster so whats there to be excited about.
There goes Terell just spouting off about nothing again……….
HELL NO TO BIG BEN
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
10:08 am
wordsmithtom- It only takes a couple of minutes to see the dude doesn’t know a** from his elbow. And Kentucky wasn’t too disappointed to see him go. Dude is not a baller.
doc
July 16th, 2009
10:11 am
kirk, one more thing, very gracious as usual in your response. might i also add it seems ahem,…. that you might have ramped up your expectations a bit more. seems winning got in your head a bit.
as a season ticket holder for the second year, last year was a blast and i hope it continues. so, if your words have an impact on that, i am all for them. seems i was sitting where you were last year calling the bs. I AM glad to sit back and watch someone else do it for a change. so i drink to you, rod, anakin, a dear friend from the olden dAys of the blog, clyde to whom i have nothing but respect even if that means i appreciate his trips to rio vicariously and RA.
i mean without regualr contributions from ando someone has to fill that huge void.
Ken Strickland
July 16th, 2009
10:12 am
Why is it sooooo hard for some of you to realize the WOODY FACTOR is a real consideration when it comes to signing FA Bigs, or even drafting for that matter.
(1) Why waste money the SAASG either doesn’t have or doesn’t want to spend to sign Flip Murray? He would do no more than duplicate what we’ll get out of Crawford and Teague. You have to be absolutely blind not to realize, at this point, that Woodson can’t or won’t consistently play more than 8 players. He prefers to use 1 center(Zaza), 1 guard(Flip) and 1 forward(Evans). Resigning Flip, and continuing that pattern, would make the deal and money paid to Crawford a waste, along with using our #1 pick on Teague.
(2) NBA FA’s are obviously more intelligent than a lot of Hawk fans. They realize that coming to the Hawks as the #2 backup center under Woodson, could land them in the blackhole created by his inability or unwillingness to manage the mins of more than 8 players. That’s magnified even further when you’re being offered a lowball salary.
Someone mentioned that a 2nd rd pick in the NBA has little value. Well, that’s not the opinion of the more successful franchises, since they pick so low in the 1st and 2nd rds. Since we’ll probably fininh no lower than 3rd or 4th in our division next yr, we’ll end up with another low 1rd pick. We can package that 2nd rd pick, along with our 1st rounder, to move up in the draft, or acquire a quality player in a trade. Don’t discount the value of a 2nd rd pick just because you don’t like a particular deal.
Does anyone else feel we would be in better shape if BK hadn’t been forced out? Consider this:
(1) He obviously valued Chills’ talents and contributions far more than Sund. I have no doubt he wouldn’t signed him to an extension before the Greek offer would have come into play.
(2) I also believe the same would have been done with Smoove.
(3) We still might have signed Flip, but with Chills signed to a long term contract, Evans wouldn’t have been brought on board.
(3) If BK was still our GM, Woodson would be gone and we’d currently have 8 or our top 9 players, AHorford, JSmith, MWilliams, MBibby, JJohnson, ZPachulia, ALaw and JChildress under contract. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU HAWK FANS, BUT I LIKE THIS SITUATION BETTER THAN OUR CURRENT ONE, AND I DEFINITELY LIKE THIS TEAM BETTER THAN THE ONE WE’LL HAVE STARTING THE 09 SEASON. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
Ben
July 16th, 2009
10:24 am
From Twitter Suns Jared Dudley @InsideHoops im hearing matt barnes could sign with either cleveland or atl. dont want to see him go.. but those teams he will make better
9:58 PM Jul 14th from web in reply to InsideHoops
Looks like we have interest in Matt Barnes. We need a big, but he is decent. I hope we sign a couple of players, bigs, to 1 year deals, so we have some money to pay for Joe and Marvin next year!
mountain_jim
July 16th, 2009
10:26 am
Hey Ken, I don’t discount the value of that 2nd round pick – but apparently Sekou does. Which is why I wondered whether the pick is even for next year (not disclosed in announcement), or if the undisclosed (but rumoured by Houston folks) protection is why the year is uncertain:
Sekou Smith
July 15th, 2009
5:48 pm
“It’s a second round pick Jim, who cares? Seriously. David Andersen was drafted in 2002 and is just now on the cusp of coming to the NBA. It’s just the way business is done sometimes in the NBA. This is not some covert operation. I’m stunned by all the conspiracy theories. It’s craziness.
Free agency brings out the kook in us all, I guess.”
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
10:34 am
Speaking of Ando,
“In all seriousness”, how are you dude and how is the little princess?
Anakin Joe
July 16th, 2009
10:40 am
Ben, I have a feeling that the Matt Barnes rumor is a contingency if things don’t go well with Marvin. It is more likely a negotiating ploy more than a realistic interest. As currently constructed, there is no room for barnes with Evans and Marvin on the squad. But if one of those guys isn’t here, then Barnes is pretty much the only “affordable” wing player out there who can provide quality minutes on offense AND defense.
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
10:47 am
Kirk,
You still don’t get it. Andersen is 29. He doesn’t have much time left before he’s on the downslide of his career. He wasn’t going to come to the NBA unless he could be darned sure he’d be a rotation player, because the odds are that in 3-4 years, he won’t be able to be a rotation player anywhere. On the Hawks, he’d probably have gotten 10-15 minutes a game because we have three players (Horford, Zaza, Josh) that play in front of him at C and PF Before we re-signed Zaza, my guess is that he was interested in coming here. But after that, I can’t imagine that he was.
There are a lot of free agent PF/Cs who will be satisfied with 10-15 minutes a game. Andersen would not be. He was not going to give up being the starting center for one of the 2-3 best teams in Europe to be the 2nd big man off anyone’s bench. It’s not that he wasn’t interested in being a Hawk. It’s that he was not interested in the role the Hawks had to offer him. Which is exactly what Sekou said and exactly what common sense should tell you.
I’ll eat my words if the Hawks fail to sign a decent PF or C on the free agent market by the end of the summer. But assuming they do, the Hawks will have a decent 4th big man not named David Andersen, $2 mil more in the bank (which again is important since operating revenues are likely to drop this year), and a second round pick; whereas before, they only would have had a decent 4th big man not named David Andersen.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
10:49 am
Ken- No way, would we be better off with BK as GM. We would not have resigned Bibby or Za to reasonable contracts. We would have not gotten Evans or Flip last year. I agree it is likely that Childress would be here and Woody would be gone, but I am not sure that is a bad thing.
Now why do you think Woody wouldn’t play his bench more? He plays the guys on his bench that can contribute. Solo got decent minutes last year and even Rio got a couple of min. here and there. Those are your 11/12 guys. Remember Speedy was hurt and so was Acie most of the season. Randolph Morris is complete garbage. So who else should have gotten more minutes last year that didn’t?
OzinATL
July 16th, 2009
10:49 am
Ken,
I hear you on the Woody factor, I’d rather see Woody out of ATL and get a real NBA head coach, someone who can teach, motivate and have a play book bigger than ISO’s. You can argue we have made the playoffs 2 years in a row under Woody so he must be doing something right, but, most of us know it had nothing to do with Woody. It was player talent alone that gut us this far and will get us as far as we will travel whilst Woody is our guide.
Hope this is his last year and we can move on an attain a higher calibre head coach, who WILL attract higher calibre free agents.
As for BK, for me, both Woody and BK were poison and it was really a matter of which one to go first. IF BK was around, we would have had Andersen in a Hawks uniform with a year NBA experience under his belt, both Josh’s would be locked up I agree and Woody would be gone, so there are positives. But really, I think Sund has more NBA smarts to lead us in the right direction than BK ever could.
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
10:51 am
Ken,
I don’t really see your point about this “Woody Factor”. Basically your list is about the same as we have now except for Marvin and Chills. I believe Marvin will be signed and Chills is where he chose to be. We also have Crawford in place of Acie(nuff said).
If BK were still here we probably would have canned Woody and hired some commentator or video man who you guys usually push for. More than likely we would have been struggling for a playoff spot. Definately would not have finished at or above where we did.
So no, your argument continues to be “LAME AS HELL” and purely based on opinion and emotion. You hate Woody, We get it.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
10:51 am
Also, the “WOODY FACTOR” came into play with resigning Bibby and Za at VERY reasonable contracts, because they like to play for him. Got to take the good and bad.
OzinATL
July 16th, 2009
10:53 am
Matt Barnes is decent, but no way an upgrade on Marvin.
Pay Marvin the money, back load it if we need, and let’s move on with filling out the rest of the roster. Let the #2 overall pick develop, rather than allowing someone else to benefit.
OzinATL
July 16th, 2009
10:57 am
Hey Daniel, Woody has to trust his bench more, otherwise the likes of JJ, Bibby, Al will be dead come playoff time, again. And then, you ask, what is the point of that?
If you don’t trust your bench and allow them to gain confidence and experience, how else do you expect them to help, you are better of with signing card board cut outs and have this sit on the bench.
Bottom line is, it’s on Woody.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
11:17 am
Hey Oz,
which players did you want to see get more minutes last year?
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
11:17 am
Sign Marvin but don’t overpay for him. Matt Barnes can give you basically what Marvin can. These cats need to know that there are other “fish in the sea” and the gravy train is drying up to an extent. They want to pout about one or two million when the majority of the world is suffering. Let their as_ “get to steppin”.
Daniel
July 16th, 2009
11:21 am
Oz- I do agree with you on Marvin. I don’t think we need to backload 4-5 years at 7-8 mil. per is very reasonable for both sides. The concern is obviously Marvin’s back, but you are right that we can’t let the #2 pick not maintain value. He will be more valuable, even as a trade piece, with a long term contact at reasonable numbers, or he stays healthy and continues to blossom as a player. Either way it is a win for the Hawks. The only real gamble is that the back reflares and he needs surgery, then you are locked into him. I think we don’t have a choice but to gamble on Marvin staying healthy.
Sautee
July 16th, 2009
11:43 am
I like Barnes over Mo as Marvin’s backup. Don’t know how we’d do that, though.