The breakdown
The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on 2002 draft pick David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.
HAWKSVILLE - Things are moving so quickly around here these days, you might mistake this for a regular NBA offseason.
It’s been a long time coming for the Hawks. But for the first time in years, certainly in my years here, things are moving at a fast and furious pace that I think we can all appreciate.
Trades. Free agent signings (and re-signings). It’s all going down before mid-August, which is a welcome change to the Hawks’ recent past, when summer transactions always seemed to stretch into fall.
But in the interest of our collective sanity, can we please cease and desist the needless attacks on Josh Childress (here, on Twitter and everywhere else)?
He’s moved on for another season – back to Greece if you haven’t heard. We can joust about him next summer, when it might actually mean something.
In closing, however, both sides did the right things. Childress couldn’t in good faith turn his back on the kind of money he’ll make with Olympiakos this coming season for a sub-mid-level deal in either Milwaukee or Charlotte, cities that haven’t sniffed the playoffs lately (ever in Charlotte’s case). The Hawks did the right thing in not losing an asset like Childress for a player (be it Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee or Raja Bell in Charlotte) that doesn’t offer much value beyond an expiring contract. They were right to demand more in exchange for a player in his prime (Childress is just 26), be it a future draft pick or cash or something else. The Hawks remain the (NBA) team with leverage where Childress is concerned, and they’d be wise to hold on to that leverage as long as possible.
Moving on, there was this afternoon’s mild surprise that the Hawks traded David Andersen’s rights to Houston for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations. That could be counted that as yet another shrewd and calculated move by a Hawks team that has made many this summer, so long as Andersen doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Luis Scola.
Andersen’s 29 and a longtime pro of consequence in Europe. He’s hardly prepared to surrender his ability to earn more money in Europe for a situation in the NBA that won’t allow him to recoup his losses in a fit to his liking. With the Hawks he would have been stuck behind Zaza Pachulia in the rotation, his only real opening for playing time coming if someone else suffered a serious injury (I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like an ideal set up to me).
In return, the Hawks snagged not only a future second-round draft pick to replace Andersen, they also collect cash believed to be in the amount of $2 million, which comes in handy as this summer goes on (and they continue to scour the free agent landscape for big man help). After years of sitting on their assets it’s time the Hawks started cashing in a few of these chips (Cenk “Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a” Akyol is the next international talent the Hawks must evaluate, to see if and when he might be ready to help the cause).
This is a win for Andersen as well. He should have a clear path to playing time in Houston, provided the Rockets work out a deal to free him from his contract with FC Barcelona. With Yao Ming’s injury situation and the departure of Ron Artest, the Rockets will have to reinvent themselves on the fly (if any coach is capable of coming up with something, Rick Adelman is the man to do it).
It’s just nice to see the Hawks immersed in routine summer business for a change, stuff that doesn’t involve them squandering assets the way they did when guys like Antoine Walker, Al Harrington and Tony Delk moved on without the Hawks getting much of anything in return.
Think about it, had someone told you this time a year ago that the Hawks could get a player of Jamal Crawford’s caliber for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton you’d have jumped on that without hesitation.
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Doug
July 15th, 2009
10:54 pm
Yet again…why are some still clamoring for Flip….why….he is utterly redundant and unnecessary with the signing of Crawfors…he is not near the player that Jamal is…cannot function successfully as a point…hence his career 2.3-1.6 assis-to ratio..as opposed to Crawfors 4:5-2.0…The Lakers 5 guards do not have the mind numbing redundancy that having both Flip and Crawford would…they also have a Hall of Fame coach that knows how to use 5 players in two spots…Teague would get Acie-light time and everone would be calling him a bust in two years…SIGN A BIG
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
10:56 pm
ONE f$%^ING WORD CAN YOU BELIVE THAT? WOW.
I HAD TO CHANGE “S U S P I C I O N S” TO CONCERNS IN ORDER TO GET THE POST TO GOT THROUGH.
Doug
July 15th, 2009
11:00 pm
Crawford not as explosive as Flip??? Because Flip has more dunks on Youtube??? You could not find a single league GM or Coach who would buy into Flip being a “more explosive” player…and certaintly nowhere near as good a player as Jamal Crawford,,,,
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:02 pm
Doug, read my posts and you should undersand why flip is a good fit for this team. Unlike Bibby, Joe, and Jamal, Flip IS NOT A PURE JUMPSHOOTER. HE HAS A NOSE FOR THE RIM. HE ATTACKS AND GETS TO THE LINE. HE PUTS PRESSURE ON OPPOSING TEAMS BIG MEN. IT’S A COMPONENT THAT WAS LACKING FROM OUR BACKCOURT UNTIL HE CAME ALONG.
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:05 pm
Doug, BS….
You must not be reading my posts thoroughly. I SAID that Jamal, Like Joe and Bibby, are JUMPSHOOTERS. When they go through their little annoying droughts, it really stalls this teams offense because our offense runs through or guards the madjority of the time. Flip nullifies their crappy/streaky shooting performances with his ability to get into the paint and put pressure on the opposing teams big men.
Doug
July 15th, 2009
11:11 pm
Ariose, BS : I read your posts entirely…I simply think they are…well, wrong. For the last 6 years of his career Jamal averages 4.6 FT attempts per game while Flip averages 2.2!!! His high was last season with the Hawks at 2.9…who is attacking the rim? How is Jamal getting fouled on all those jump shots?? Again…Flip is a poor mans Jamal which is why he has been paid and emplyed as such throughout his career…Not a bad player and he really did well for the hawks last year but Jamal is a huge upgrade and Teague needs to play…by the way he will add the penetrating dimension as well
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:12 pm
Doug, We can sign flip with the Bi-annual. That leaves the Full Mid Leve Exception for us to grab some bigs and maybe Gerald Green for 800k!!!
Doug
July 15th, 2009
11:15 pm
Ariose. Bs: I read your entire post…just think it is wrong. For his last six seasons Jamal averages 4.6 FT attempts per game while Flip averages 2.1…Flips HIGH was 2.9 last season with the Hawks…who is explosive and attacking the rim?? Are NBA players that stupid that they are fouling a “jump shooter” that much? Again…Flip is a poor mans Jamal…did a nice job for the Hawks but will again be paid like and emplyed as a lesser jamal…Teague will also add a penetrating dimension
Doug
July 15th, 2009
11:16 pm
Sorry for the double post
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:17 pm
id agree.. not as explosive… though im a fan of the famous, “Flip Murry!!!” call from Mike Tirico when he placed his male anatomy in the face of Kirk Hinrich as he elevated to the rim, there is no need for youtube to confirm the explosiveness argument. however, Mal is quite crafty given his length. Joe has scorer ability but yes he is a true shooter… i just think when u combine Teague (low key explosive) and Mal they out weigh Flip… yes it can get ugly when we are cold.. however, i doubt all 3 above avg shooters will be… thats why i like Mal over Flip… Flip was an avg shooter at best and while he was at times the lone attacker, he lacked play making ability… in Mal’ we get a above avg shooter, with play making prowess…
not to mention… the young fella….!!! “UNLEASH THE FLUTES ON EM’ GURU!!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1CR5EapjR0
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:21 pm
Doug, I agree with you asupmtion of flip. I was just saying that he added a slightly different dimesion than Bibby, Joe, and Crawford do.
Maybe you are right, but we still don’t know if Jamal will fit in. What if he doesn’t and the expirement is a failure? I’m just saying it sure would be nice to have flip sitting on the bench at that point.
I undrstand that our coach is cousing all of us fans/managemnt alike to rehink the players that we add to this roster. Bit I say why? It’s Rick Sunds job to feild the best/talented team he possibly can. Does not re-signing flip aid that theory? I don’t think so.
Woodson ONLY has one year left on his deal. If he can’t figure out how to manage the minutes of many talented player like the rest of the hed coaches in this leauge, then he should be looking for a new job next summer(but that’s unlikely to happen with the ASG I KNOW).
I understand where you all a rationally coming from. But from a competitive tsandpoint, I personally can’t except the fact that our Genral Manager has to scale down the talent on our roster because Mike Woodson doesn’t know how to manage minutes properly after over 30 years in the NBA.
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:22 pm
*I understand where you ALL are rationaly coming from.
G-Man
July 15th, 2009
11:22 pm
Even after all our improvement, we still don’t get enough credit.
who are the top 8 teams in the east in order???
Thomas Beer:
Without putting any real thought into it:
Washington (corrected)
1) Boston
2) Orlando
3) Cleveland
4) Miami
5) Chicago
6) Philly
7) Toronto
Damn – I left Atlanta out? The East 1 thru 9 is going to be a lot tougher than it has been in recent years…
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:28 pm
bigdave, Nice find!!!!
I agree, You guys may be right. I’m probably just worrying too much. We’ll probably be OK with Bibb, Joe, Teague, an Crawford.
I just want whats best for the squad.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
11:29 pm
Aroise,
Look at the question (and answers) Micah Hart ask on his twitter page today:
Trivia question I need an answer to – how many current NBA players have scored 50+ points in a game more than once?
Thanks to all for your trivia guesses – the answer is 12 – Shaq, T-Mac, Kobe, DWade, LBJ, Arenas, AI, Crawford, VC, Jamison, Dirk, and Redd.
Crawford is one of only 8 current NBA players with 3 or more career 50+ point outbursts. Kinda impressive, no?
Doug
July 15th, 2009
11:29 pm
Ariose, I agree with not scaling down our talent level just because Woody is the Coach… However it is reality and we all know that if Flip were signed Teague would simply not play…not develop…and 2 years from now we will all be wondering where on this planet we will get Bibby’s replacement from. I just really think it is imperative to get a quality physical…defense oriented big and let the fifthe guard be a Mario or Thomas Gardner type…oh well good discussion anyway
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:30 pm
G-Man
that 1-8 list alone is why i guarantee at least 70-80% (including myself, and hopefully Sekou) of this blog contributors have no idea who Thomas Beer is… and now i have no reason to…
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:30 pm
Melvin, yeah it is. I saw that. I’m not knocking crawford. I was just saying i’d rather have flip on the squad as wwell. But who knows, we may be better off without him.
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
11:31 pm
Heck, in the great Joe Johnson hadn’t score 50pts in a game. We may need to re-evaluate who should be the 1st option on offense…lol
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:33 pm
Ariose…
thank you sir… however, id be hard pressed to top your Classic Smitty…
and as far as whats best for the team… Amen.. but hey.. we’re a 1on1 offense and we signed on hell of a 1on1 player… Melvin’s 50pt stat says it all…
Melvin
July 15th, 2009
11:34 pm
Ariose,
Just give him a chance. Let Anakin Joe eat the Crawford crow by himself.
Anakin Joe,
Did you notice half of Crawford highlights (in bigdave link) were passes? May the guy has meet a shot he didn’t like…lol
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:35 pm
*on=one
after a while ill stop correcting in areas where you guys can obviously interpret intent.. however, have to stay somewhat sharp for the grammar critics out there…
niremetal
July 15th, 2009
11:37 pm
I’d rather have a guy who provides a relatively consistent 16-26 points rather than a guy who is as streaky as Crawford. It’s not for nothing that all the teams where he’s been the #1 offensive option have been 20-30 win squads.
Having him as the #2 or #3 option for the Hawks (and #1 off the bench) seems like the perfect role for him. As I said, he can be SuperFlip – come off the bench and do whatever is needed of him, which often will be “shoot with no conscience.”
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:39 pm
Damn my spelling gets sloppy when I rush lol. Guess that means it’s a good discussion lol.
I really hope Teauge can pick up where Flip left off. That would be great….well actually with crawford here, he’ll be asked to do more facilitating.
bigdave, can’t dissagree with you there lol.
Doug, That’s true. Mario has been very good for us. Flip should find a home because he had such a great season for us. I wish him the best wherever he lands next(except when he plays us of course hah.) He’s been a journeymen for so long and he’s a great guy, I really hope he finds a long-term deal with a team that’s a good fit for him.
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:43 pm
i cant wait til we see both Joe and Mal on the floor together… 2 big guards who appear to have the ball on a yo-yo… it defines task keeping each in front… should be very hard for the opposing defense to keep balance…
doc
July 15th, 2009
11:46 pm
well id take odum for 7.5 for four years. funny his mubers werent too much better if at all last year than marvin’s and the guy pulled down 14 mil. seems he doesnt think maybe he was overpaid last year for what was needed or gotten out of him. i imagine he doesnt want to be eniough of the ulitmate team playert to take less riches fro the team and that might have been a sticking point to his negotiations with the lakers. he was a 13/ 8 uguy last year after folding dearly in the finals the year beofre. no organic growth there, then again if he is a bargain find othewise stick to the plan my bot sund. dont let anyone deter you on your rounds this year.
kirk you got posterized by sekou and you call it gracious? better watch out or ariose will make a you tube out of that one. heh heh
kirk man you think really well and are the mr positive on the braves and hawks site. what happened this summer? did your brain get hijacked by aj, clyde and ra? did they take your soul with it?
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:48 pm
Melvin, heh! Yeah AJ cant take all the blame by himself while a watch and whistle like a said nothing hehehe…. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
July 15th, 2009
11:48 pm
Since it’s a certainty Anderson wasn’t going to do anything as a Hawk, why are some of you worried about what he mignt do with another team?
When you consider how little Ben Wallace did for Chicago and Cleveland, why would any of you think he’d be able to do more for the Hawks?
Orlando will return only 2(RLewis & DHoward) of the top 6 players that took them to the NBA finals. They’re going to start the season having to deal with some serious adjustment and chemistry issues.
I don’t understand how some of you can consistently claim AHorford isn’t a true center, then suggest we sign or trade for Bigs like CWilcox, DGooden, BWallace, BBass, CBosh, AStaudemire etc. Since when did any of these guys become true centers?
HawkKingBibby
July 15th, 2009
11:49 pm
Ben Wallace is completly WASHED UP and WORTHLESS. I would go with Skinner, Wilcox and even Diogu long before I called up Ben Wallace.
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:49 pm
Nire, I sure hope so dammit
bigdave
July 15th, 2009
11:52 pm
if Al Horford aint’ a center he sure plays like one…
Ariose
July 15th, 2009
11:54 pm
LOL@ Doc
Samuel
July 15th, 2009
11:54 pm
Doc,
Are you serious? You would “just as soon” have Marvin as Odom?
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:01 am
Ken, we’ve all come to the realization that getting a quality center is probably not oing to happen this summer. I’d be happy with a PF that has a long wingspan for rebounding pourposes, but with Channing frye and Rasheed all being signed already, that looks like it won’t happen.
So now all we’ve got left on the table are average/undersized hustle PF’s like Big Baby, Gooden, and Wilcox. Gotta get depth in the frontcourt on way or another lol.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:02 am
*one
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:03 am
*Going
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
12:04 am
Isn’t Marvin a FA. I can’t tell. Looks like we is about as “sought after” as his running mate Chills.
Marvin Williams or L Odom.HUUUUMMMMM!!
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:14 am
Samuel,
Come on now. The reason no one’s going after Marvin is that they know the Hawks will match. Same reason no one is going after Felton in Charlotte, despite the fact that PGs are a precious commodity. Same reason there’s been no movement yet on David Lee or Nate Robinson or Kleiza or Sessions. The only RFAs who were heavily sought after came from teams that no one thought would match offers for them (Gortat from Orlando and Millsap from Utah).
I’d take Odom over Marvin today. But 3 years from now, I think my answer would be different. And since Odom will want a 4-year deal…
Anyway, it’s all academic. I can’t imagine Odom will settle for the mid-level. And that’s all we can offer him. Game, set, match.
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
12:15 am
Sniper Update:
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900026
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:18 am
Samuel, Salims making me look like an idiot over here lol. Acie has us all looking like fools….
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:19 am
And Anakin is on my permanent $hit list. If he hadn’t waffled on his afro sheen offer, we wouldn’t have lost Chills.
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
12:21 am
Three years from now we could all be dead. Three years from now Marvin may be walking like he’s 80 instead walking like he’s 60(like he is now).
Can’t we renounce him and sign Odom for more?
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:22 am
Ariose,
You notice that Patty Mills is getting DNPs all the time too? I think you need to start reevaluating which undersized guards you promote
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
12:23 am
All of Yall.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:25 am
Hahahahaha!!!!
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:26 am
Samuel,
Nope. We’re over the cap once all the cap holds for roster spots, exceptions, etc are factored in. Renouncing Marvin does nothing.
And even if it did, no way in hell that Sund is stupid enough to renounce Marvin and let him walk for nothing.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:27 am
Nire, Patty mills broke his foot last week. He just had surgery on it. He should be back b4 the season starts houh….so they say.
I’ll take full responsibility for Patty Mills’ awsomeness when he’s healthy hehehehe
Samuel
July 16th, 2009
12:27 am
Nire,
Mills has a broken foot. What’s Salim’s excuse other than the fact that:
“HE’S A SCRUBB”.
Ariose
July 16th, 2009
12:27 am
*though
niremetal
July 16th, 2009
12:31 am
Ah, didn’t catch the injury/surgery bit. I must admit that I don’t exactly follow the summer league even when I’m not studying for the bar…