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11:07 pm July 14, 2009, by Sekou Smith

The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on the David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.

The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on 2002 draft pick David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.

 

HAWKSVILLE - Things are moving so quickly around here these days, you might mistake this for a regular NBA offseason.

It’s been a long time coming for the Hawks. But for the first time in years, certainly in my years here, things are moving at a fast and furious pace that I think we can all appreciate.

Trades. Free agent signings (and re-signings). It’s all going down before mid-August, which is a welcome change to the Hawks’ recent past, when summer transactions always seemed to stretch into fall.

But in the interest of our collective sanity, can we please cease and desist the needless attacks on Josh Childress (here, on Twitter and everywhere else)?

He’s moved on for another season – back to Greece if you haven’t heard. We can joust about him next summer, when it might actually mean something.

In closing, however, both sides did the right things. Childress couldn’t in good faith turn his back on the kind of money he’ll make with Olympiakos this coming season for a sub-mid-level deal in either Milwaukee or Charlotte, cities that haven’t sniffed the playoffs lately (ever in Charlotte’s case). The Hawks did the right thing in not losing an asset like Childress for a player (be it Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee or Raja Bell in Charlotte) that doesn’t offer much value beyond an expiring contract. They were right to demand more in exchange for a player in his prime (Childress is just 26), be it a future draft pick or cash or something else. The Hawks remain the (NBA) team with leverage where Childress is concerned, and they’d be wise to hold on to that leverage as long as possible.

Moving on, there was this afternoon’s mild surprise that the Hawks traded David Andersen’s rights to Houston for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations. That could be counted that as yet another shrewd and calculated move by a Hawks team that has made many this summer, so long as Andersen doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Luis Scola.

Andersen’s 29 and a longtime pro of consequence in Europe. He’s hardly prepared to surrender his ability to earn more money in Europe for a situation in the NBA that won’t allow him to recoup his losses in a fit to his liking. With the Hawks he would have been stuck behind Zaza Pachulia in the rotation, his only real opening for playing time coming if someone else suffered a serious injury (I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like an ideal set up to me).

In return, the Hawks snagged not only a future second-round draft pick to replace Andersen, they also collect cash believed to be in the amount of $2 million, which comes in handy as this summer goes on (and they continue to scour the free agent landscape for big man help). After years of sitting on their assets it’s time the Hawks started cashing in a few of these chips (Cenk “Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a” Akyol is the next international talent the Hawks must evaluate, to see if and when he might be ready to help the cause).

This is a win for Andersen as well. He should have a clear path to playing time in Houston, provided the Rockets work out a deal to free him from his contract with FC Barcelona. With Yao Ming’s injury situation and the departure of Ron Artest, the Rockets will have to reinvent themselves on the fly (if any coach is capable of coming up with something, Rick Adelman is the man to do it).

It’s just nice to see the Hawks immersed in routine summer business for a change, stuff that doesn’t involve them squandering assets the way they did when guys like Antoine Walker, Al Harrington and Tony Delk moved on without the Hawks getting much of anything in return.

Think about it, had someone told you this time a year ago that the Hawks could get a player of Jamal Crawford’s caliber for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton you’d have jumped on that without hesitation.

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Sekou Smith

July 15th, 2009
9:10 am

Andersen coming to the Hawks was contingent on Zaza going elsewhere. When Zaza returned, that made this a no-win situation for Andersen.

Andersen’s camp asked the Hawks to move him to a team that could accommodate his situation. It’s not unheard of in the NBA … guys wants a better situation. Same thing Acie Law IV’s camp did earlier this summer. This is not complicated stuff.

And yes PD, they have to extend the qualifying offer to keep Chil’s rights. Next summer could be interesting in that regard, especially if Marvin’s an unrestricted free agent along with deals needing to be done for say both Joe Johnson and Al Horford. It could just be really interesting to see what kind of choices the Hawks make if they have all those things to juggle next year.

dap01

July 15th, 2009
9:11 am

Thanks for the update. With the new format, your Blog is much harder to find.

Please send us some big man rumors!

Anakin Joe

July 15th, 2009
9:18 am

nire, I’ve seen you compare our off-season moves to what teams like the Spurs and Lakers have done previously. I’m not sure that a team who hasn’t advanced to the 3rd round of a playoffs can make the same moves as teams with multiple championships in the past decade. Their moves have been to maintain a contending squad… something that we don’t have. A company with 55% market share gets to do things that a competitior with 15% share can’t (or shouldn’t) do. Much like the Speedy/Acie trade, I don’t question what was sent out, I question what was brought back.

Melvin

July 15th, 2009
9:27 am

Nire/MannyT/whomever,

This is a bit off topic but do know what happens to the monies thats paid into the luxury tax pool. Is it like baseball, where it’s share amongst the remaining teams thats under the luxury tax cap?

Jay

July 15th, 2009
9:29 am

Sekou,

I understand that the Hawks traded Anderson to Houston for a second round pick, cash ($2Million) and future considerations. Just curious but what might those “future considerations” be?

vava74

July 15th, 2009
9:30 am

Hawks fans are cronic malcontents.

David Andersen averaged 4 rebounds per game in Europe! He will not be a second coming of Luis Scola. He will be a role player, a poor man’s Okur AT BEST.

We need something quite different and I sincerelly would prefer to keep developing Otello who I really believe could be a Charles Oakley type of player within 2/3 years.

Moderaterly talented, physically gifted hardworking guys are essential. Just like Leon Powe (which I would sign immediately).

On a slightly different note, and knowing that we are talking about a guy selected by Rick Sund: does anyone knows the status of Robert Swift? He put very good numbers on his 2nd season and then slipped.

I think he could be – also on the tatoos – a kind of Chris Andersen type of player for us IF he proves to have a brain somewhere and his recent slippage is not due to his lack of effort.

Sekou Smith

July 15th, 2009
9:32 am

Not sure yet, Jay. As soon as I find out I’ll pass it along.

wmatlanta

July 15th, 2009
9:33 am

So SK, who’s your starting lineup now? and what’s Joe Johnson’s contract status? shouldn’t they be talking extension now, or will the lower salary cap keep him here beyond 2010?

Sekou Smith

July 15th, 2009
9:39 am

Another thing, if Andersen has a chance to start in Houston (www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6529269.html) or play behind Horford and Zaza here, why would he want to come to the Hawks, for less money?

Again, I applaud both the Rockets and Hawks for doing a deal that makes sense (those things don’t always happen in the NBA. :)

If he’s the Rockets’ short-term answer for Yao, which sounds like the plan that is in place, then it makes complete sense for them to do want to get this deal done. And if the Hawks wanted to get something of serious value in return for Andersen, I’d say they did that.

Again, a win-win for both teams. I know it’s rare and that we’re always trying to decide who got the crappy end of a deal. But every now and then things work out for all involved.

Now would I liked to have seen a player like David Andersen on the Hawks’ roster this season? Of course. They’d be better with Childress, too. But that’s just not the way things work.

Sekou Smith

July 15th, 2009
9:41 am

wm, the starting five for the Hawks remains the same as last year. And they have several months to discuss an extension with Joe. There are other priorities (adding another big or two) that would seem to be much more pressing at this time.

Melvin

July 15th, 2009
9:42 am

Sekou,

Any rumors on the big men they are considering?

Benjamin

July 15th, 2009
9:51 am

Sekou, does the Childress factor really just boil down to money? I can’t understand why he wouldn’t want to play here, but it seemed this offseason like he came over just to entertain teams like Milwaukee and Charlotte. Why would a young talent that could fit right in and push us up the ladder in a strengthening Eastern Conference want to play for those teams and not the Hawks?

OzinATL

July 15th, 2009
9:52 am

Mixed feelings about this Andersen deal.

Regardless of what has been said, the dude wanted to come and play in the NBA, no question about that, he even had gone on record to say it wasn’t about the money (as he would earn more money in Europe).

When you are looking for quality free agents, this guy is definately in the top tier from Europe (his pedigree for the past 11 years their is second to none – does it translate to NBA success, not always but he has a better chance to succeed than most) and your European free agents are generally cheaper than NBA free agents, and most times, are more skilled dollar for dollar. This is one reason why I am surprised the Hawks traded him after so many years holding onto his rights instead of using his talents (hey, and even though Rockets need big men abd the trade suited them at them moment – do you think the Rockets are going to make a trade such as this (draft pick and money) for a guy they figure will not help them)?

So I guess the questions were:

#1 Did he really want to play for the Hawks?
#2 Was he really that worried about playing time in ATL?
#3 Did the Hawks rally make him feel wanted?
#4 Does the deal help the Hawks now?

#1 Unless Sekou has inside knowledge, I have not heard anything to say he didn’t want to play for the Hawks. Bottom line, he wanted to play in NBA, Hawks owned his rights, he was frustrated that they would not commit to him (money not the real issue). I would be too if a team held onto my rights for so long and I had that type of resume in Europe.

#2, I don’t think this is as big an issue as people realize. He would be playing PF in the second unit and at the moment, who else would be playing this. He averages 20 minutes in Europe anyway, so really, he would not be expecting more minutes than that, and that’s great for backing up Josh Smith. He has shown in Europe that in his 20 minutes he is very productive offensively – which is perfect for your back up PF when you have Zaza providing the muscle. So how would he be playing behind Zaza (isn’t that Solo and Randolph)

#3 I really don’t think the Hawks valued him enough. I actually wonder how many times the Hawks have scouted him live in Europe in those 7 years they have held his rights….probably not enough which again, points to the fact they don’t value him enough. Obvsiously the Rockets do, they have a need, but they must have done their homework to feel this guy can help them immediately without Yao so Rockets valued him and wanted him, Hawks didn’t.

#4 How can it. The Hawks need depth now if they are to challenge for the powers in the Eastern Conference and progress further than last 2 years. Isn’t that what each year is about, getting better so you can challenge for the Title? I think this is a step back, as what can a 2nd round future draft pick give the Hawks now rather than an abled body who would add depth to the Hawks roster and help them over the course of a season. I belive the Hawks have done the right things by keeping everyone together and by adding Crawford they increase their talent and depth. Andersen would have done the same and I believe this is how you win more games, adding a couple of pieces every season (doesn’t have to be majore just contributors) so the Coach has more options (don’t have to get into Woody debate, assume you have a coach who can coach and teach). How does a second round pick achieve this.

All in all, the only way I see this as a good move for the Hawks, is if Andersen refused to want to play for the Hawks. That’s the only way.

Jay

July 15th, 2009
9:55 am

Thanks. By the way, any word on Solomon Jones? Has he gained any weight and was his lack of heft the only reason he didn’t get more run?

vava74

July 15th, 2009
10:11 am

I’ve just checked and Robert Swift’s carreer went down due to injuries and apparently not due to lack of mental stability.

He is only 25 and if he passed a physical and seemed recovered from his injury woes and was available, I would bring him to the camp.

I MUS.WRITE

July 15th, 2009
10:24 am

Proactive instead of reactive……. Thats whass up-if Anderson is’nt coming over then get something for him- Its been 7 dam years this should have happened 3-4 years ago… Who does the man think he is- demanding a certain number of minutes and muney lol……. Demand??? Big sund dont play that -”take 2 mill and 12 minutes a game or get the hell outta here” I luv it……

Just hope he doesnt come over here and turn into a 15/8 type guy…

Now its time for Cynk and this so called marksman we wasted a pick on this year. Good bye Chills nice to know you -go back to Greece and out of our lives -We’re try’n to build sumthing here- get on board or get gone…………

Im starting to warm up to Nesterovic and Joe smith being our new bigs.

Ben

July 15th, 2009
10:31 am

Sekou,

So does this mean we are NOT signing another veteran big man? Bradley seems to think the Andersen deal signals the Hawks are done for the offseason except for Marvin. We HAVE to get some BIGS in here or next season is going to be awful.

PD

July 15th, 2009
10:32 am

Sekou, so Chilly gets another check from the Hawks this offseason? This is amazing!!!!!!

Melvin

July 15th, 2009
10:32 am

Co-sign, OzinATL.

Funny how Chills went from wanting to get his deal done early in Free Agency to not wanting to play for the Hawks anymore.

Funny how Andersen went from wanting to play in the NBA to not wanting to play for the Hawks…

Ernest

July 15th, 2009
10:33 am

Sekou, thanks for your explanations about this trade, especially the one @ 9:39a. Some seem to forget that GMs have to ‘budget’ both dollars and playing time. Andersen was going to get 8-12 minutes/game at most however probably wanted a salary comparable to what he is currently making. I’m sure our budget didn’t allow for that, given the amount of time he would see on the court.

At the end of the day, it’s business….

mountain_jim

July 15th, 2009
10:33 am

Sekou – thanks for these answsers but have you been demoted? Mark and Jeff can talk about the Hawks with links on the main sports page, which is where I tend to stay, but now I have to go down one level and hunt to find the link to your blog. Why is the teams blog section no longer on the main sports page, but fan blog links still are? Not user-experience friendly, AJC.

ATMAN

July 15th, 2009
10:36 am

What is our actual roster right now? Also, what is the maximum number of players allowed on roster?

mountain_jim

July 15th, 2009
10:37 am

Never mind – I see they now have added the link to your blog under the Hawks section on main sports page – good!

matt r

July 15th, 2009
10:49 am

I don’t know, Andersen’s looking pretty good against the Algiris Pickles.

Today’s Celtics Links 7/15 at New England Sports 24/7

July 15th, 2009
10:50 am

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HawkKingBibby

July 15th, 2009
10:55 am

Niremetal, I wasnt trying to say that the Hawks should have got a 1st round pick for Andersen. Im saying the Hawks had two assets that could have either played here or have been traded for guys to play here THIS SEASON in Andersen and Chills just two days ago. Now all we have is a future 2nd round pick. How is that anywhere near equal or better than ( as Sekou wrote ) to what we got back for Antoine and Al since those two got us 1st rounders that helped aquire JJ and Crawford?

Samuel

July 15th, 2009
11:00 am

The man has “2nd Round” talent and we got a 2nd round pick for him and 2 million dollars. Cuz, is that pick this next draft? If so, it should be a high pick as Houston will be scrubbing the bottom this year. Good Job Rick.

Lamar Odom Update:

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2009/07/more-odom.html

We just got 2 mil more to offer this man. Just say’n.

C-Horford
PF-Josh
SF-L. Odom
SG-JJ
PG-Bibby

That line up will turn some heads.

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
11:09 am

kirk- a season of significant playing time in the NBA IS enough insentive for a guy coming from Europe. One season in the NBA is enough to improve his stock around the league. So I do understand the move from Anderson’s perspective.

Dos Hawkquis

July 15th, 2009
11:10 am

Can we agree on a few things with this blog?

1.Hawks have about 6mil left to fill the roster. Cayman, Camby, Tyson Chandler make WAY more than 6mil. Stop bringing their names up.

2.Stop bringing the JSmoove for Amare trade scenario. Amare has had major surguries on his knees and eyes, two VERY CRITICAL components to play basketball. Smoove is healthier and younger.

3.Stop talking about FIRE WOODY!! The man has taken the team to 2 playoff appearances, after a 10 yr. drought. He even made it to the 2nd rnd this past season.

4.Flip is not coming back!! Get over it!! You have JJ, Teague, Crawford, and Bibby vying for minutes at the same position that Flip plays. There is only 48minutes in regulation. No need for 5 guys who play the same position.

If we can stick to these 4 principles, it will make reading the blogs eaiser. I try to read everyone’s comments and rehashing things that are not going to happen is wasting time.

I enjoy the valuable insights that I get from SEKOU, DARRELL STARKS, IMUS, NIREMETAL, DOC, KEN S., ANAKIN, BIG RAY, ARIOSE et al. Keep up the good work guys.

Oh yeah…”I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!!”

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
11:16 am

wow dos hawk…. I guess I am just an et. al, booo

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
11:19 am

Sekou….
Still wondering if you would care to comment on Bradley’s assertion that the Anderson deal signals that the Hawks are done with free agents.
I certainly hope not, and the rest of their moves have not seemed to signal anything but smart moves to improve the team. They would currently have 5-6 mil. to sign another front court big (should be more than enough for a wilcox/bass type player).
Is Bradley just playing blog?

kirkinga

July 15th, 2009
11:39 am

Ok, well I don’t know where we were supposed to get that Anderson “didn’t want to play here”? Even still, any increased playing time he get’s in Houston is only for a season at the most. They have a rotation of bigs in Houston too and Yao plays a good 32 minutes a game.

Second, we’re suppose to believe that a guy so worried about his playing time would not also insist on a contract larger than what he is reported to be getting from Houston? Does that add up? He believes he’s worth the playing time but not the money? Really?

And why are people suddenly talking the guy down? Before the trade it was apparent that most here thought he could help the Hawks. Now he’s a bum? I’m not buying it. Dude has good offensive skills, can run the floor (don’t we want the Hawks to run more?), and can pass the ball. He needed work on his defense, but you can’t teach 6-11 and agile.

And ok, let’s accept that it was all about playing time. If Anderson is “stuck behind ZaZa”, well so will any other big they sign. Is another big going to want to come here? Why would he if the Hawks have already signaled that there are not valuable playing time to found for another big man?

Ok, riddle me this (yes I stole that from Ray), if Al, Josh, and ZaZa, were not enough to overcome the frontlines of the Magic(first game notwithstanding) and Cavs last season, why the heck isn’t there playing time for another big man?

Are we saying that Anderson would not have played more than Morris?

The Rockets seem to evaluate players very well.When you think of dufus organizations, the Rockets isn’t among them. They got over on a GM that some believe is the best in the NBA when they got Scola for a song. Funny how they think Anderson was good enough to start and play the 5 for them, but here he can’t get enough minutes on a team that needs to get bigger?

Something is missing.

Go Hawks!!

PD

July 15th, 2009
11:39 am

Yo Daniel Bass is gone (Orlando) Wilcox would be a good look

Ken

July 15th, 2009
11:40 am

If Josh Smith takes a step back this year, we need to seriously look into trading him to Golden State and get Anthony Randolph. The kid is sick, he can already handle the rock and is just as good a shooter already. Plus he blocks shots, rebounds and is younger and less of a headache!

ksleezy

July 15th, 2009
11:46 am

Yo Sekou, I’d love to hear about the Hawks’ plans for Cenk Akyol. Can u ask ur sources? Anyone in Hawksville asking about Chris Wilcox?

kirkinga

July 15th, 2009
11:47 am

kirk- a season of significant playing time in the NBA IS enough insentive for a guy coming from Europe. One season in the NBA is enough to improve his stock around the league.

Gee Daniel I think Childress would disagree with you. Apparently playing for the money in Europe is a much greater incentive than playing in the NBA. Josh could have played this season past season and then cashed in as an unrestricted FA. But off he went to Europe anyway. But now we’re supposed to believe that the opposite is true for Anderson, it’s better for him to play in the NBA, than to make more money in Europe?

I’m not seeing how that works. It seems to be a double standard.

Go Hawks!!

OzinATL

July 15th, 2009
11:53 am

Right on KirkKinga. Always funny how opinions change after the fact. If he is good enough for the Rockets, surely he is good enough for the Hawks bench. I know we are rehashing this, but it could turn out to be a significant trade for both organizations for the upcoming season. Or it could turn out to be a no issue.

Whatever the case, it’ll be interesting to see how much he signs for the Rockets.

All we want is good information and the truth.

Guys, I’m not so sold on Wilcox. For a guy drafted #8 overall, to only average 9.3 points and 5.4 rebounds in 5 NBA seasons playing for not so good teams (meaning he gets plenty of playing time and more freedom than better teams so his stats should be far greater than they are). This is a guy who was once traded for Vladimir Radmanovic – ouch.

From what I’ve heard about Wilcox, he never shows up for a full season and seems to play particularly well around contract time.

He has talent for sure but seems another case of unfulfilled potential.

And what would be his price?

O'Brien

July 15th, 2009
12:01 pm

Kirk,

I would have liked to see Andersen here. But from his perspective, if he can get a consistent 20 minutes a game this season, he gets a chance to show his talent, and hopefully get a bigger contract next time.

If he came to the Hawks, he would play 8-10 minutes a game (unless someone got hurt), and maybe he felt thats not enough time on the court to show what he can do. So from his perspective, I understand his reasoning.

The more PT he gets, the better his chances for more money on his next contract. (His agents probably looked at those DNPCD that Solomon Jones got, along with his inconsistent minutes, and decided they would be better off somewhere else).

Whichever big we get has to realize that they wont get much minutes, so the Hawks might have to overpay for a veteran big, but I think the hawks are more likely to sign a Foyle or someone like that.

On another note, I heard Chills’ Greek team offered Nate Robinson a 2 year deal…

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
12:14 pm

PD- thanks for the update. just got back from vacation, so I guess I am behind. Kinda of a shame that he is in Orlando, I really like his game. I honestly wanted him more than Wilcox, but what will be will be.
I just hope they resign Marvin(obvious) and still add a front court player. They seem to have set themselves up for that kind of move. I just get nervous about money saving plans.

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
12:18 pm

O’Brien nailed it. People here don’t get that Andersen needed to WANT to come here. Unlike NBA guys who are free agents like Wilcox and Gooden, Andersen had a guaranteed contract for $3M that he could return to in Europe. He was NOT going to give that up to play 10-15 minutes a game for us. And that IS all he would have played. Al and Josh are going to get at least 34 minutes a night. Zaza is getting 18-20. That leaves about 10-15 minutes up for grabs at PF and C.

Andersen is 29. He wasn’t gonna have too many more seasons where he could come over and have a shot to be a consistent rotation player in the NBA. Once Zaza was signed, he wasn’t coming here. I know some people won’t accept that, but it’s the reality of the situation he was in. And if you don’t believe me, just read what Sekou wrote in his above posts…

CajunStorm

July 15th, 2009
12:20 pm

Calm down my people. Sund is doing what a responsible GM should be doing, being SHREWD and having direction. In the NBA you can’t spend irresponsibly. Little signings like Speedy Claxton $6m and having Acie sit the bench at $2m KILLS FRANCHISES!! So even if we don’t get ALL the players we WANT, if the team is built responsibly like it is shaping up we remain flexible with a young, athletic, competitive team.

All that being said, ALL OF THE TEAMS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE HAVE FOLLOWED THIS MOTTO. LA, SA, ORL, BOS, CLEV, and even PORT. Sign Marvin at a reasonable price tag bcuz I don’t see a better upgrade for the money, unless SUND pulls a sign and trade for Caron Butler (no $ to do that). We need 10 solid players and 2-3 reserves (hopefuls). We have 8 now: MB, JJ, MW, JS, & AH with JC, ZaZa, & Maurice off the bench. I say sign Flip (we can run small ball with JJ at the 3 & JC at the 2) and a big like Drew Gooden or Wilcox who have both proven not worthy of their draft status’ but GREAT bench contributors. Those moves allow us to compete this year and most importantly for the next 6-8 years!

tjhook

July 15th, 2009
12:21 pm

why didn’t Atlanta try to get one of the 6′7 guys on Houston’s roster? Houston’s roster has been littered with them. And they needed a true big man. You mean they couldn’t give us one banger? We need to cash in those considerations and get a player.

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
12:22 pm

Kirk- I get you on the whole Anderson’s “not that good thing”, that is kinda fishy. But, I can see from the Hawk’s perspective that if the guy didn’t want to come here, then they were able to get some value for him. I agree that the idea of playing for the Hawks “loaded” front court being seen as a hinderance is a little strange also. I dunno either the move is made as a business savy move to improve the team(i.e. they parlay the cash into another player) or it is a move made on the cheap. We will see. I am going to ride with Sekou on this. He alwyas gives us the straight skinny without being a Hawks mouthpiece. So he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Although, I do see where you are coming from.

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
12:26 pm

OzinATL- I too share your concerns about Wilcox, but the flip side of that argument is that you can get a more talented player at a lower price. Also, being in a winning orginization (can we say that yet?) might help motivate him. He is worth a 3 milion for 2-3years to me.

CajunStorm

July 15th, 2009
12:35 pm

By the way my people, $4.5mill should not guarantee ZaZa’s position as #1 backup center/forward. If you ask me we should be looking with an open eye, for someone to compete for his minutes. If Andersen and his camp didn’t feel he could even do that…get the hell on! Randolph is about robotic as they come but I saw him play Dwight Howard in High School (great game) and he very much held his own. I also saw Josh, Dwight, and Morris play together on the ATL Celtics (talk about a draw dropping team)and although Morris was 3rd best on the team he wasn’t far behind. My point is he is 23 and some players develop faster than others. At $850k I pray he is the the guy that can push for time. Not probable but possible.

KJ

July 15th, 2009
12:37 pm

Ken, GS isn’t going to give up their best young player for a bigger contract guy after a down season, in your hypothetical scenario above… Would be awesome, though. That kid is tearing up summer league and will tear up the League when he gets minutes.

As for anyone bashing the Hawks for their role in the Childress saga, you need to stop. We offered him an incredibly fair contract last offseason that he declined. He didn’t want the $5-6 MM a year we offered then, and that’s his loss (well, except for the fact that he is getting mad money in Europe instead). He won’t get a bigger contract next offseason, not when the cap drops 10 percent. Guys like him, the mid-level guys, are going to get crushed next offseason. He made a miscalculation that will alter his whole career IMO. If he is happy in Europe, then no worries, but he may never get an offer as good as the one the Hawks gave him last year. Everyone seems to forget that the Hawks did come through and bring the money they needed to to the table.

I MUS.WRITE

July 15th, 2009
12:39 pm

Enuff of David Anderson already…….. the man doesnt fit what we need so he was shown the door. AL and Josh dont get many touches -so why would DA- He’s a Pick n pop type yada yada- so what if he shoots well for a bigman -with Bibby,JJ,Craw, Teague,Mo all gunning away it doesnt matter he wouldnt get a chance to shoot much.

We need goonz plain and simple and DA is a euro softee that does’nt mix it up. Why would we bring this guy in to Play Solo’s minutes …..8-10 minutes a game and numerous DNP’s coaches decision……..

Bench player is what he is and getting a high second for the guy plus 2 mill is a good deal imo…… why hold his rights for another 4/5 years – Get what we can and call it a day.

Dont like what im hearing and reading about Wilcox -good athlete/talent but doesnt show for stretches of the season……. Dam ,we have enuff problems with our own players in that area………

get me Jamal Magloire -that dude knows his role and all he wants to do is smash sumbody… Ask ZAZA how physical Mags is….. besides he’s a cool guy and wouldnt be a locker room problem.

Dam it …… Lamar Odom is not coming here!!!! Jeezuz

Neither is Stoudamire Bosh or any of these other names being thrown around randomly…….. How the hell r we gonna sign these guys with no real muney to work with.

Anthony Rudolph …………………………….That boi got game -wouldnt trade Josh but maybe Marvin……A 6′11 SF with great handle /athleticism ……That would be nasty

Bibby,JJ,Rudolph,Smoove,Al

Austin Daye will be a longer better version of Tayshaun Prince.

OzinATL

July 15th, 2009
12:47 pm

Maglorie would fill a role on the cheap for 10 minutes a game. Plus, he has another 6 hard fouls to give per game and practices would be a little more intense.

In about 4 years, Austin Daye will be some player. Who will benefit from that is the question?

your pimps in Houston

July 15th, 2009
12:48 pm

We here in Houston love this trade. We got a 3 point shooting 5 to space the floor. Who can pass and dribble. This was a good trade for both teams. Woodson does not play the type of offensive adelman plays. Which for years he has been trying to run and gun.Except with Yao it was hard to do. Now this make us a run and gun offensive explosive team with brooks,ariza,landry, kyle lowery and scola with anderson and maybe waffer coming back. Yes we lost yao and mcshady no mcgrady. But we were able to blow out the lakers 2 games in Houston with that type of offense minus a 5 who could shoot. Add that to the mix even at 25 min a game and you have a sleeper in Houston like the suns of a few years back. Defense is Andersons liability ofcourse. The problem is that in the Nba you only have 3 or 4 bigs who can create a match problem for him stoudamire,shaq,superman, and maybe duncan if healthy thats 10 games at the most. I think we got a key component to what Rick Adelman has always wanted and never had. A guy who can run and gun with his other teammates and pop up and shoot,dribble, and most importantly space the floor. I will take Brooks,Waffer,Ariza,Scola,Anderson over the Hawks any day. thats not including landry,and lowery coming of the bench. good luck beating the magic,cavs,celtics,pistons,Heat giving Away guys who could shoot is that not the whole purpose of being able to play in the nba. I see guys saying he can’t defend our block shots. Ok well you need theo ratliff what did he do for you in the past. I rest my case

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
12:51 pm

I’ve read the Houston blogs. I know y’all think that Andersen is the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki. I guess you never watched the Olympics last summer if you think that…

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