The breakdown

The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on the David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.

The Hawks finally scratched their seven year itch and moved on 2002 draft pick David Andersen ... by moving him to Houston for cash, considerations and a future second-round draft pick.

 

HAWKSVILLE - Things are moving so quickly around here these days, you might mistake this for a regular NBA offseason.

It’s been a long time coming for the Hawks. But for the first time in years, certainly in my years here, things are moving at a fast and furious pace that I think we can all appreciate.

Trades. Free agent signings (and re-signings). It’s all going down before mid-August, which is a welcome change to the Hawks’ recent past, when summer transactions always seemed to stretch into fall.

But in the interest of our collective sanity, can we please cease and desist the needless attacks on Josh Childress (here, on Twitter and everywhere else)?

He’s moved on for another season – back to Greece if you haven’t heard. We can joust about him next summer, when it might actually mean something.

In closing, however, both sides did the right things. Childress couldn’t in good faith turn his back on the kind of money he’ll make with Olympiakos this coming season for a sub-mid-level deal in either Milwaukee or Charlotte, cities that haven’t sniffed the playoffs lately (ever in Charlotte’s case). The Hawks did the right thing in not losing an asset like Childress for a player (be it Kurt Thomas in Milwaukee or Raja Bell in Charlotte) that doesn’t offer much value beyond an expiring contract. They were right to demand more in exchange for a player in his prime (Childress is just 26), be it a future draft pick or cash or something else. The Hawks remain the (NBA) team with leverage where Childress is concerned, and they’d be wise to hold on to that leverage as long as possible.

Moving on, there was this afternoon’s mild surprise that the Hawks traded David Andersen’s rights to Houston for a future second-round pick, cash and future considerations. That could be counted that as yet another shrewd and calculated move by a Hawks team that has made many this summer, so long as Andersen doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Luis Scola.

Andersen’s 29 and a longtime pro of consequence in Europe. He’s hardly prepared to surrender his ability to earn more money in Europe for a situation in the NBA that won’t allow him to recoup his losses in a fit to his liking. With the Hawks he would have been stuck behind Zaza Pachulia in the rotation, his only real opening for playing time coming if someone else suffered a serious injury (I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t sound like an ideal set up to me).

In return, the Hawks snagged not only a future second-round draft pick to replace Andersen, they also collect cash believed to be in the amount of $2 million, which comes in handy as this summer goes on (and they continue to scour the free agent landscape for big man help). After years of sitting on their assets it’s time the Hawks started cashing in a few of these chips (Cenk “Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a” Akyol is the next international talent the Hawks must evaluate, to see if and when he might be ready to help the cause).

This is a win for Andersen as well. He should have a clear path to playing time in Houston, provided the Rockets work out a deal to free him from his contract with FC Barcelona. With Yao Ming’s injury situation and the departure of Ron Artest, the Rockets will have to reinvent themselves on the fly (if any coach is capable of coming up with something, Rick Adelman is the man to do it).

It’s just nice to see the Hawks immersed in routine summer business for a change, stuff that doesn’t involve them squandering assets the way they did when guys like Antoine Walker, Al Harrington and Tony Delk moved on without the Hawks getting much of anything in return.

Think about it, had someone told you this time a year ago that the Hawks could get a player of Jamal Crawford’s caliber for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton you’d have jumped on that without hesitation.

354 comments Add your comment

outlaw30079

July 14th, 2009
11:17 pm

I Hope This Dont Come Back On Us

Tommy

July 14th, 2009
11:18 pm

I just hope they bring in a decent big.

Tommy

July 14th, 2009
11:20 pm

If they can bring in someone to solidify the post and contribute in the event of an injury we will be set.

niremetal

July 14th, 2009
11:21 pm

From the end of the last blog, on the Andersen deal:

Not at all saying the trade was affirmatively “good.” Merely saying that from my perspective, this seemed like the reasonable move. The Spurs did almost the exact same thing two summers ago with Scola – they traded him to Houston for a second rounder. RC Buford is probably the best GM in recent NBA history and he basically made the same deal we just made for Andersen – and Buford traded a foreign big man who was younger and WAY more hyped than Andersen is now.

Andersen may turn out to be a good player, and he’s tailor-made for Adelman’s offense. But dude wasn’t gonna come over from Europe to play 10 minutes a game on the Hawks’ bench. I kinda wish there was a way to squeeze more out of him as an asset, but this seems like as reasonable way to “dealing with” Andersen as we could hope for.

niremetal

July 14th, 2009
11:23 pm

$2 mil? Damn. In this economy, that ain’t bad at all…

Dan

July 14th, 2009
11:32 pm

I am starting to like this Sund fellow. I got down on him last summer, after he lost Childress. He has come back strong from that, though.

I can only assume the big man is Chris Wilcox? He makes the most sense. Hope to hear that Sund lands him in the next few days.

Sekou, isn’t Fransico Ellson a free angent? I always thought he would be a good fit here.

Sekou Smith

July 14th, 2009
11:39 pm

I like Elson, too (you might remember he was a hot topic around here a last year and the year before). But he’s not a free agent. He had a player option this season in Milwaukee.

Melvin

July 14th, 2009
11:47 pm

Nire,

Ok I will forfeit debate base on Sekou’s report that Andersen would have been stuck on the bench but I don’t see why. There’s mins behind Josh and possibly some mins at C but hey, I can’t argue that he should play more mins in Houston. But I have a question for you. If Houston is willing to give up a pick and 2 mil in cash for him, then how valuable is this guy? And if he’s not going to get mins, then what’s the purpose in bring in another big? Wouldn’t that person be in the same situation that Andersen would have been in?

niremetal

July 14th, 2009
11:56 pm

Melvin,

Yes, he will be in the same situation that Andersen will be in. The difference is that now we can bring that person in while we have a second round pick and $2 million cash in the bank.

Melvin

July 14th, 2009
11:56 pm

Not sure if this is the real Jamaal Crawford but look what he (or imposter) wrote on his twitter page:

@NBA4EVER just between me and u, Hawks been talkin to bosh

Samuel

July 15th, 2009
12:00 am

Great Job Rick. 2 mil and a #2. Great job.
Raja Bell? Hummmmmmmmm!!!!!

Art Vandelay

July 15th, 2009
12:00 am

Sekou, were you just being flippant with the Cenk Akyol comment, or do you really think there’s a team out there that would give us anything of value for him? Last I saw, he was averaging less than 4 ppg in Euroleague and playing about 10 minutes a game.

And Dan — I like Wilcox too, but it sure would be nice to get a big man who can hit free throws at better than a 50% clip. We had so much trouble with that last year that I’d hate for it to become even more of a liability this year with a brickmason like him.

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
12:04 am

Melvin,

I’d be wary of the veracity of anything posted on Twitter that includes the words “just between me and u.”

But Sekou – do you know if that’s Jamal’s actual Twitter feed?

GuyanaDawg

July 15th, 2009
12:05 am

the Hawks are flyin baby! the team has been fun to watch the past few years and now we are in good management hands. things are lookin up – thanks for all the coverage Sekou! i trust we’ll get one more big before the season to sure up our rotation.

swatguy

July 15th, 2009
12:05 am

Does the 2 million windfall mean ASG will dip into the luxury tax pool?
I’m not sure a rookie backing up Bibs at point guard is safe or wise. Flip I think again is good insurance. For if Jamal spends time backing up Bibby, who will back up Joe. I’m not sure if contenders (or wannabe)develop core players per course.
How about Big Baby?
Since the Clips are losing their minds(see AI), can Camby/Kamen be had easily?
Do the Hornets still want to separate themselves from Chandler?
I suggest, Flip and Solomon signed and the best big option available.
by the way, Othello did some good things at the end of the year, maybe he as position 14. Keep seat #15 open for February(that’s what the big boys do).

Art Vandelay

July 15th, 2009
12:07 am

I would bet the farm (if I had one) that’s not Jamaal’s Twitter feed. The supposed “@JamaalCrawford” account is only 24 hours old and reads like it was written by a 12 year-old. I highly doubt he’d start giving away confidential information (which he has no access to) via Twitter to total strangers.

Samuel

July 15th, 2009
12:07 am

AV,

You are so right. Free throws really hurt us last year, I like Wilcox too but KThomas shoots 82% from the line. I’m just say’n.

Art Vandelay

July 15th, 2009
12:10 am

Oh, and if that is Jamal Crawford’s account, he misspelled his own name. Brilliant.

Melvin

July 15th, 2009
12:14 am

AV,

Good catch on Jam mal Crawford name.

Melvin

July 15th, 2009
12:16 am

Man i don’t understand why folks would pretend to be other people. Then again, i dont want to know either…

Chea

July 15th, 2009
12:17 am

DAMN I AM OLDER THAN SHAUN LIVINGSTON!

That is all.

Harry Hawk

July 15th, 2009
12:36 am

Are we gonna love Sund if he pays Joe $18-20 million a year?

Probably not.

Nevertheless, the man has done a good job of consolidating this offseason. He also had enough sense not to give Woody a contract extension. That’s probably the smartest move of all.

Grip

July 15th, 2009
12:38 am

I beg to differ, Houston’s GM has done the best job of drafting and acquiring free agents, Brooks, Landry, Taking a chance on Artest, not to mention Scola, Von Wafer, I think we just got hood winked, and San Antone wishes they had Scola right now, Buford got waxed on that one, this is not football,2nd round picks are pretty much a waste in the NBA. Anderson’s issues are tied into woody, who else has players and won’t give the some TIck?? And wilcox is GARBAGE!!! Always has been and will continue to be, I will take Jamal McGlore any day of the week, and he is cheaper. RIck Sund got rid of nine million in salary and took on close to the same in return, the move should have been to acquire a big with that money and sign Flip back, how hard could this have been? Rick Sund has not failed but he ain’t done nothing yet either. The double negative is there for a reason

HawkKingBibby

July 15th, 2009
12:39 am

I dont know if I can be as optimistic as you Sekou. We could have had Afro Power and a nice offensive big coming off the bench for us this year giving us great depth but instead we have a 2nd round pick. That pick will be another Euro that wont be here till 2016 when his rights get traded for a future pick to a team that will pay its players. Walker and Al got us 1st round picks ( one of which helped get us JOE )the other Acie Law helped get us Crawford. I think 1st round picks that helped get us an all star and our 6th man have more value than a 2nd round pick but thats just me.

Reggie

July 15th, 2009
12:57 am

Sekou

What about Ben Wallace coming here? I think its a great fit. He has played under Mike Woodson, & he is a veteran thats been around the league. Thoughts?

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
1:00 am

HawkKingBibby, come on. You think NBA team that would be willing to give up a first round pick (and the low rookie payscale contract) to get a 29-year old with a rep for playing no D even by Euro standards?

And Reggie – don’t think that Ben Wallace wants to play anymore. He’s hasn’t looked like he’s cared this past year…

B-Kitty

July 15th, 2009
1:05 am

We can move on now! Lets go after Wilcox and call it a day. He could be the missing piece(muscle) we need inside.Plus he is good for 10-12pts 10-12 rebounds. Lets move on it. And please let them run this year. If you have racehorses, you have to let them run.

Reggie

July 15th, 2009
1:08 am

what are you talking about? He played on a team that had the best record in the NBA. looks like he cared to me. Okay he is not the player he used to be, but but he can still help this team. he doesn’t have to play 30 minutes a night. him giving us 10-15 minutes is what this team needs.

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
1:14 am

Reggie,

Don’t know what games you were watching if you think Wallace played with half the heart he used to. He was hardly the reason the Cavs won 60 games. A couple dozen people commented on that fact on this blog during the Cavs’ series and after the Shaq trade. My guess is that if he has any desire to play, it won’t be coming off the bench for 10-15 minutes a game .

niremetal

July 15th, 2009
1:17 am

And PS – I am a LONG time fan of Ben Wallace…heck, I’m playing some pickup ball tomorrow afternoon and I’ll be wearing my full Big Ben get-up from Steve and Barry’s (RIP). So this isn’t hate. But the man didn’t really want to play anymore. I saw it, dozens of other people commented on it, and he himself alluded to it when he said he wanted to retire. The fact that he allowed himself to be bought out rather than playing out the season should say how much he wants to play…

mark

July 15th, 2009
1:20 am

Hello again Hawks fans!!!!!!! I agree we need to go and get Chandler because he’s a big man and he can run the floor really well…… Also we really really need to sign Flip Murray back………. And we will really have a good team without Lebron James!!!!! And my line up would be :
Crawford-G
Joe Johnson-G
Josh Smith-SF
Hartford-PF
Tyson-C
So this is my starter line up…. So lets get back on our Twitters and blogs and continue to lobby for Chandler………..
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!!

jeremiah

July 15th, 2009
1:24 am

. We need a big man lets continue to lobby 4 Tyson Chandler, Chris Kaman from the Clippers, he’s a 7 foot 0 also and 265 lbs. JaVale McGee, another 7 footer from Wizards. I watched these guys play and they will really help the Hawks. So lets keep calling and writing in and get on Twitter, Youtube, Myspace, and Facebook. And put pressure on management. Just for trading for Crawford not going to get the job done. Also, sign Flip back. SO LETS GO HAWKS FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hock

July 15th, 2009
1:30 am

Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix. At least the press here aren’t so clueless as to compliment him for these deals.

kirkinga

July 15th, 2009
1:55 am

I guess I have missed something. The Hawks are now in a position to where they can’t use a 6-11 big man who can play a little?

The Rockets are going to sign from what’s left of their MLE after the Ariza. That is the biggest shocker to me. I thought for sure if he didn’t sign with the Hawks it would be because he wanted a ton of money but it turns out that he could have been a Hawk for an amount that was not only reasonable, but would have also allowed the Hawks to sign another big as well.

The Rockets seem quite please ad one local sports talk radio show believes the Rocket’s “picked the Hawks pocket”.

As far as him playing major minutes, that is only going to be the case until Yao returns sometime in the second half of the season.

In fairness, I guess the Hawks felt that his skill set did not match what they needed at this time. He can run the floor, pass, and shoot, but is not a defensive presence.

Maybe, I’m slow, but there sure seems to be a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction permeating throughout our humble blog and within the columns of the AJC. I see would suggest the Hawks are an incomplete team as things stand now.

Even if we sign Marvin, is the addition of Crawford and Teague enough to overcome the Heat, Cavs, and Celtics who all have enhanced their frontcourt advantage over the Hawks? I guess the answer is yes if we’re in position to sell off an Anderson.

Yeah, I must have missed something because I could have sworn people here felt Anderson was someone who could help the Hawks, but now there aren’t enough minutes so we didn’t need him after all.

I guess we’ll see improvement through organic growth, especially with the 6-11 Morris who appears to be the biggest beneficiary in this transaction.

Go Hawks!!

kirkinga

July 15th, 2009
2:04 am

The Magic improved their frontcourt advantage over the Hawks, not the Heat. Though they seem to be working on adding to their frontline as well. I would also add that Toronto vastly improved it’s frontline as well.

Yeah, I’m must be missing something.

Ho Hawks!!

MannyT

July 15th, 2009
2:51 am

kirkinga,

I think the key point about Andersen was the opportunity to play. If he shows up here, he is buried behind several younger players. In Houston, they need bigs now. Even if the money is similar, the Rockets have a much better opportunity.

BWAF

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2009
2:57 am

“Interesting that an unbiased, beat reporter would applaud a deal for a virtually worthless 2nd round pick plus $2 million. Oh well, we are used to Sarver doing the same type of cash transactions here in Phoenix.”

Sarver trades away first-round picks used on future starters, stars, and All-Stars for cash. David Andersen is not Rajon Rondo, Luol Deng, or Rudy Fernandez. The Hawks just traded away a former 2nd round pick who is now 29 years old and offers nothing defensively for a future 2nd round pick and cash. Maybe Andersen ends up helping the Rockets, who knows. This deal could make the Hawks look bad temporarily. I do know this — if there is any kind of big man the Hawks do not need, it is one who doesn’t play D and settles for jump shots. I’d much rather have Chris Wilcox.

kirkinga

July 15th, 2009
3:29 am

Manny T, I understand the argument on it’s face it seems plausible, but I find it unpersuasive because he Anderson’s abundance of playing time is temporary. Even if Yao misses the entire upcoming season, Anderson’s minutes will be reduced once Yao returns.So is a season’s worth of increased playing time sufficient? That seems rather unambitious especially if one considers that the Rockets without Yao, Artest, and McGrady (he ain’t playing a full season soo there’s that) are going to have a tougher time winning in the West than the Hawks in the East.

Of course he may believe the Rockets will not resign Yao and he becomes the starter, but that’s unlikely I think.

I guess what I’m missing is the origin of this lack-of-playing time thesis? Did Anderson ask to be traded to another team, or did the Hawks believe he wouldn’t merit substantial playing time?

If it is the former, then why would he want substantial minutes, but not substantial money? Does that make sense to anyone? A player is going to say “”I’d rather have more playing time and in return I’ll take less money? The Hawks could have easily offered more than what he will get in Houston. So things don’t add up if we look at it from that end.

Now if it was the Hawks who felt there weren’t going to be enough minutes, then I go back to Melvin’s observation that this would apply to any subsequent singing. This too make no sense if one believes that a Wilcox, for example, is a better player; if there aren’t minutes for Anderson,an inferior player, why sign Wilcox or any player superior to Anderson as they are surely going to want to play? And if you are going to sign an inferior player, then you already have one in the 6-11 Morris.

What player that can help the Hawks is going to want to come here if there are no minutes? Theo perhaps? And if Theo, is he enough?

So the Playing Minutes Theory doesn’t seem to hold up to minimal scrutiny from either the player or team’s perspective.

Like I said, maybe I’m missing something?

Go Hawks!!

blue hawk

July 15th, 2009
5:25 am

Andersen was a productive and proven pro veteran, albeit a euro pro. i’d take my chances on that over a college kid second rounder.

Sekou Smith

July 15th, 2009
6:40 am

The point you are all missing is that David Andersen didn’t want to play here. And if that’s the case, you could either let him go back to Europe or find a way to cash in the asset by doing what the Hawks did. Is there a chance he helps Houston? Of course, there is. Same way he could any team. But if the man has no desire to play for the Hawks, you can’t manufacture something that simply is not there. So the wise thing to do is move on and make sure you get something in return. That’s the basis for my entire theory about Childress (YOU DON’T PUNT AN ASSET IN THE NBA).

if Andersen turns out to be as good as Luis Scola, I’ll be glad to come back and bash the Hawks for miscalculating his worth. But we’ll have to wait and see just how good he is, what kind of role he plays on that Houston team and whether or not his impact is any greater than the impact that the Hawks’ 9th or 10th man’s impact is this season.

And as for Cenk Akyol, I didn’t meant that he’ll be the next trade chip … I only meant it’s time to evaluate him and see where he might fit, be it on the Hawks’ roster or elsewhere. I don’t have it confirmed yet, but I’m hunting to see if he’ll be on the mini-camp roster for next week.

I just think it’s time to start cashing in some of these chips the Hawks have piled up over the years.

A Tribe Called Quest

July 15th, 2009
6:57 am

WHY DOES EVERY HAWKS/ROCKET TRADE INVOLVE AVERAGE/CRAPPY PLAYERS OR 2ND ROUNDERS?

BOB SURA
JON BARRY
T. LUE
DAVID ANDERSON

PLENTY MORE

CajunStorm

July 15th, 2009
7:01 am

Sekou, one thing I can say about Sund is he is SHREWD! I like that. Anybody upset over losing Andersen needs to get a grip. He was not coming here for cheap $ and he was going to be the 3rd big off the bench at best. You don’t pay big $ for bench depth, you save for the ELITE player, or spend more on the core group which is exactly what Sund is doing.

As I stated yesterday, we shouuld not be too upset if Marvin takes the one year tenure. With JJ being a free agent next year that will leave us with $22,000,000 in flexibility to re-sign both or go another way. If we do get Marvin on the cheap (5yrs @ $7-$8million) COOL! We keep our core and have young, athletic, high potential, and reasonably priced pieces that we can play or trade.

Can anyone tell me when is the last time the HAWKS were in the driver’s seat with leverage? Easy…..NEVER until now. Well, maybe the last year we had Mr. Dominique Wilkens, Then we traded for Danny Manning. Dang it, that didn’t work out very well did it! LOL

Mr. Egger

July 15th, 2009
7:21 am

Anderson would back up Zaza? Is he really a true big? From reports on his game he reads more like a Keith van Horn, Kyle Korver, Reshard Lewis at best. 6′10, shooter at F, doesn’t sound physical, or like one to bang on the blocks, or like much of a rebounder. He could have taken the place of Solo off the bench maybe, or Marvin’s spot if Crawford and Johnson could start on the wings, but he does not sound like a big man. And the team really needs a big man, a true big who can block shots and bang with physical players like Howard, Shaq, and Perkins. Josh Smith could be that type of guy, if he’d ever focus on playing exclusively around the painted area.

PD

July 15th, 2009
8:12 am

Sekou do the Hawks have to tender Chilly the qualifiying offer ever year to keep his right?

kwooden1

July 15th, 2009
8:20 am

Sounds like a good deal to me. The guy is 29 and wasn’t going to block shots. You can’t wait forever for him to decide if he wants to come to the NBA and Houston was willing to take him. If he wanted to come to the HAWKS it’s a different story, but from all accounts he didn’t. 2nd Rounder and cash is pretty good, considering you get to a retry with the pick (I think he was a 2nd round pick) and money to work with in a tough economy. I’m still hoping Wilcox will want to come here, but I still don’t think the HAWKS can offer him a full MLE. I think the best thing right now would be to sign Solo and call it a off-season. Personally I think Solo just needs more playing time to be a good backup PF/C.

GO HAWKS!!

mountain_jim

July 15th, 2009
8:28 am

Sekou, how do you know he did not want to play here? Reason I ask, the translated articles were saying he really wanted to play in the NBA, but the Hawks did not want to pay him anything, and made a tiny offer. So which is it?
I will only applaud this deal if the 2 million soon goes into upgrading the talent on the court for next season, by signing another big who can contribute on D. And what are the ‘other considerations’. A basketball and some towels? I suspect they picked our pockets as well, we will see. Currently the Hawks are short on big men and Andersen very well could have gotten alot of ZaZa’s minutes by contributing on offense where the Hawks are short on bigs who can shoot from outside, particularly if he had been paired with another cheap D-big.

SpaniardHawk

July 15th, 2009
8:47 am

I like the trade if we use the money to get a center. Maybe Andersen will become a new Luis Scola, but a I have seen him play this year with Barcelona and I think that he is not the player that the Hawks need. But maybe I am wrong.

wordsmithtom

July 15th, 2009
8:52 am

Anderson…please
We just signed Zaza for long term. More physical and younger. He can shoot and will defend. Where’s the place for Anderson now or ever? Get a grip. Sign another banger to back up the power forward and let Zaza do what he does.

Come on, if Anderson was this good, why have 3 different general managers passed on showing him the money???

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
8:55 am

Sekou,
Thanks for all the great updates. As many others are asking, can you explain further the facts that lead to the statement that David Anderson did not want to be here.
Also, your buddy Mark Bradley is painting this move as the ASG going on the cheap. Were do you stand on that take?
I, too, have been impressed with the Hawks this off season. We seem downright professional. Can you imagine that!

Daniel

July 15th, 2009
8:55 am

I meant “where do you stand on that take”