Still a work in progress

Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on the parameters for the Hawks' restricted free agent forward.

Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on what it's going to take to get it done.

HAWKSVILLE - The word spreading around the NBA summer league in Las Vegas is that Marvin Williams and the Hawks have agreed to terms on a new deal (so say our friends at hoopsworld.com).

That would be news to Williams.

“Somebody is lying to them,” Williams said via text message Sunday afternoon. “That’s not true.”

As reported here last week, the Hawks are working hard to get something done.

But it’s not done.

Not yet.

In defense of the folks at HOOPSWORLD, their headline (”Marvin Williams gets his deal”) reads much stronger than the actual text of their item, which clearly states that “sources” told them that the sides are “close” to a new deal.

It makes sense that they heard that. Everybody in this business has sources.

Still, when asked Sunday afternoon if the sides had a deal in place,  Jim Tanner, who represents not only Williams but also Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress, responded via text, “NO.”

On the bright side, Williams did say that the injuries (back and wrist) that soured the end of his fourth season are healing fine and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.

And as I wrote in an entry last week, the situation for Williams looks like this: “Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.”

This isn’t high-level economics we’re talking about here people. It’s simply the art of negotiating. The team comes low, the representative for the player comes high and ultimately the sides make nice, after a whole lot of haggling over details, and decide to meet in the middle somewhere. 

 

That hasn’t happened yet for Williams.

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niremetal

July 12th, 2009
8:08 pm

Oh noes! Sekou thinks that Marvin is valuable to the Hawks! Rod’s head will explode!!!

niremetal

July 12th, 2009
8:09 pm

Oh, and co-sign Sekou ;)

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2009
8:17 pm

From hoopsworld:

“Williams’ camp would like to see something in the $40 million range, and the Hawks’ initial offer was reportedly around $37.5, meaning the two sides were never really all that far off and something should be done soon.”

Over how many years is that? Please tell me 5 or more… Marvin is a valuable player, but if he’s going to average close to eight figures a year, that is way, way too much.

howie

July 12th, 2009
8:20 pm

Sekou-

Mark Bradley has added alot to your Hawks coverage but I am with you on this one….get Williams signed and see if we can bring Childress back and the Hawks are ready to go for the season.

niremetal

July 12th, 2009
8:25 pm

Yup, Bradley has added a lot to Hawks coverage. We really needed someone to write columns without ever watching a regular season game…

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2009
8:26 pm

1,2,3,4, FIFTH!!!

jg

July 12th, 2009
8:27 pm

totally agree sekou. i’ve said it before marvin was playing very well for this team before his injuries. in fact, i thought he was the most consistent player on the team for a few months. with marvin you really know what your going to get. he’s not very flashy–but he can shoot the ball very good. mid-range and now long range. he can and will now drive it to the basket. he’s a very good free throw shooter too and i think his defense is above average if not better. i love this hawk team–get marvin’s deal done and this team will win a lot of games. add another big man and it could get real interesting around these parts.

people need to realize that’s it not all about fantasy stats when looking at the nba. marvin provides so much for this team right now–the playoffs this year was not the true marvin williams. he showed all year he was worthy of an extension and when he’s playing this squad can play with anyone. after the injury–you could tell that he still wasn’t healthy.

we need to really concentrate more on being a running team next year. get these guys on the move and don’t rely on our half court offense so much–that’s when the hawks get bogged down. run it as much as possible–then if that’s taken away–shoot it like we know we can with jj, marvin, bibby, crawford, evans and hopefully teague. woody please don’t hold these guys back anymore…turn them loose we know what they can do with you chaining them up. unlock the chains and let’em go.

Atypikal Ent.

July 12th, 2009
8:33 pm

Marvin is the best of what is left, not to mention that keeping this team together as best as possible will help the advancement.

Now we just need to scoop up another big somewhere for some rebounds..

Im also going to hate to see Flip leave, but I guess it has to happen with Crawford & Teague in the picture. Murray is a solid talent that has been shipped around way too much- best of luck to him.

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2009
8:34 pm

Damn, missed it by milliseconds….

There isn’t much option to go any other way, Josh Smith proved too much of a liability from anything outside 15 ft. to shift him up and move Al back to his natural PF position, where as Marvin provided what I refer to as the “Tayshaun Presence” from that spot, putting numbers in places where we proved weak (3P% and garbage rebounds in particular). If the numbers are right, and the difference is a few paltry million, tweak the numbers up to about 60% of what the difference between the figures is, and both sides should be pacified enough to move forward and finish the last step of the summer, which is shoring up the ol’ front court.

Hey Sekou, you managed to get a comment from Randolph Morris about the age restriction, maybe you could ask him what his off-season has been like, what he thinks of the moves being made, and what he’s personally working on this summer to improve his game and increase his minutes off the bench? I’d be happy if you did…I wouldn’t be discouraged if you didn’t….

Steve

July 12th, 2009
8:40 pm

Marvin is arguably the most talented player on the team. He’s pretty much the only guy on the team who doesn’t do anything spectacularly, but does everything very well…that’s why he goes so unnoticed. It’s important for the Hawks to bring him back long term, because like Sekou said, they won’t find anybody else in free agency that can bring what he brings to this team: a nice sized post presence that can play great defense, protect the basketball, shoot mid-range and long-range, drive to the hoop and make tough layups. He’s still very young and will continue to just get better like he has every year.

ILL-logical

July 12th, 2009
8:55 pm

Semi -good news. Marvin is a player who I believe will more valuable comonig off the bench this season,especially when a staring 5 is found. He can provide some needed scoring punch at a variety of postions(2-4)as the game dictates. He is most definitely a team first kind of a guy and should help the cause in a long term deal.His biggest drawback is the inability to stay healthy and the possibility that the either the wrist /back is chronic.

ILL-logical

July 12th, 2009
8:56 pm

Semi -good news. Marvin is a player who I believe will more valuable coming off the bench this season,especially when a starting 5 is found. He can provide some needed scoring punch at a variety of postions(2-4)as the game dictates. He is most definitely a team first kind of a guy and should help the cause in a long term deal.His biggest drawback is the inability to stay healthy and the possibility that the either the wrist /back is chronic.

ldawg121

July 12th, 2009
9:03 pm

who are some big men available that the hawks might have a chance to land?

swatguy

July 12th, 2009
9:17 pm

Alright SS, I shall welcome Marvin back and sit aside my “move Joe to the 3″ idea. But tell me why Flip (as some say) is odd man out because of Teague? I understand his draft mandate, but he might not be “NBA caliber” from the jump. If he is better than Flip right now so be it. But We know what Flip gone do, evahtime. I say allow the young fellow to mellow while the grown folks handle the team.
Is there any noise about Kamen/Camby/Chandler being moved out there? I’ll sit back and listen.

jake

July 12th, 2009
9:17 pm

must keep marvin.

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2009
9:33 pm

The list of unrestricted free agent centers (as juxed from ESPN.com) and the team they played with as of the end of last season. Reference link at bottom, which is actually being updated (Bibby and Zaza are off the listings for Atlanta as proof).

Mikki Moore, Boston Celtics
Johan Petro, Denver Nuggets
Rasho Nesterovic, Indiana Pacers
Jason Collins, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Wilcox, New York Knickerbockers
Theo Ratliff, Philadelphia 76ers
Calvin Booth, Sacramento Kings
Jake Voskuhl, Toronto Raptors
Jarron Collins, Utah Jazz

Consensus choice on the blog has been Wilcox since other choices have been snagged in the last week, but there’s everybody as of this date in the year of our Gord, 2009….

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=freeagents-09-10

Ernest

July 12th, 2009
9:34 pm

Glad to hear that Marvin is recuperating from last seasons injuries. I also agree that he ‘fits’ what we are attempting to accomplish here with the Hawks. When you factor in that he is only 23, it makes sense to sign him to a long term deal, thus keeping the core together.

Sekou, let me second what BritishAnger requested, how about a piece on RandMo? It is always interesting getting comments from the key players but how about those at the other end of the bench. I’m one of those that remembers him from his Atlanta Celtics days and wonder why he is having difficulty in making the transition to becoming a contributing player.

rainman

July 12th, 2009
9:37 pm

I couldn’t agree more Sekou — Marvin is the only starter-quality 3 that we have on the team. If we get him locked up for 5 years, the Hawks will have kept the nucleus of the team together and added a valueable piece to the guard rotation – not bad, when just a couple of weeks ago everything was up in the air. Can’t wait til Wed. to see what Chills and Anderson decide to do. I’m hoping Chills might be a bargaining chip in aquiring another big.

outlaw30079

July 12th, 2009
9:40 pm

People keep saying bring in these big name bigs they are not coming
1. they wont to go to a team that will win a title(no matter what u think we are not there yet)
2. they will be 3rd in line starter Horford — 1st off the the bench Zaza(u have to look at the money)
so i say either try bring Anderson over try sign Hollins or use some of that money go get Hakeem Olajuwon (the money u pay him will not count against the cap) to work with da bigs we have now between Solo, Morris, and Siler with his help one of them have got to be a solid player off the bench in the #rd spot 6 points 5 rebounds thats all u can try get from the 3rd person in line

ATLJBO

July 12th, 2009
9:41 pm

Will the hawks sign david andersen ?

DKRIB

July 12th, 2009
10:01 pm

Hey Sekou, did you “copy” my quote ..”curious case of Marvin Williams”? I wrote an article with the title on peachtreehoops!

nunna yo bizznezz

July 12th, 2009
10:05 pm

don’t get it twisted yall..
we still got othello..
should he start over marvin,heck naw..
but,we should sign marvin before he gets on da phone and talk with childress,and letting him tell marv that,”hey dog,its not bad over here,and they got brothers over here who can cut yo hair too”!!
we as black know how hard it is to go to a foreign country and not find hair care products or stylist that we need..

get him before j-chills gets to him..PLEASE!!

dap01

July 12th, 2009
10:08 pm

Sekou: I agree, Marvin fits with what is needed for this team. If he could continue to evolve into a well rounded player who can SHOOT (something that the Hawks need) then, the Hawks have a chance to keep growing.

Sekou: Could you touch on what RandMo and others are working on this summer?

RealSquawk

July 12th, 2009
10:10 pm

It worries me that he did not say he was completely healed. He might want to start eating some vitamins. Good to hear they are close to a deal number wise. That leaves anderson and childress. if we can’t convinve anderson to come here then we need to trade him for a big. and if non of that works out we need to have the same game plan for chillz. Even though in an ideal world I would much rather see us move Anderson for another big. And then bring chillz back even if it is only for 1 to 3 years.

Hoops

July 12th, 2009
10:11 pm

Assuming the Hawks re-sign Marvin and if West accepts his QO, the Hawks will have two positions to fill. Most people agree that they will be either a SF, PF, or C. This is a list that most people think the Hawks are looking at (in no particular order):

R. Hollins
S. Jones
D. Andersen
Siler
C. Wilcox
Gooden
L. Powe
J. Childress

What two players from that list do you think the Hawks will sign for the last two roster spots?

outlaw30079

July 12th, 2009
10:15 pm

Jones & Siler they not going 2 get all that much playing time y break the bank

Rex D

July 12th, 2009
10:16 pm

All of this is nice . . . But who is going to guard Shaq and Dwight Howard for us? . . . The Lakers had two seven footers to deal with Dwight . . . And because both had offensive game, they made him work on both ends of the floor . . .

Tommy

July 12th, 2009
10:19 pm

Any word on a potential big like Theo or Wilcox? Are the Hawks talking to anyone else?

The Truth

July 12th, 2009
10:29 pm

Sekou

Your comment:

“The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever.”

This is the main selling point as to why Marvin is so important to the team. As a SF, it is mainly his length along with his other skills such as rebounding and shooting.


This has been echoed by others in the past and may explan why BK picked him. His physical attribute is a standout

Nookah

July 12th, 2009
10:32 pm

Just an FYI – Siler in summer league vs. Rockets…….

Played 24.29mins – 6 pts; 7 Rbds; 1 block; 3 of 5 from the field; 4 fouls; 1 TO

Go Hawks!!!

darrell starks

July 12th, 2009
10:45 pm

There is lot of ways the hawks can go with this but first thing first is to sign marvin.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 12th, 2009
10:48 pm

What are the hawks going to do with chill we cant let him go for nothing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

July 12th, 2009
10:53 pm

1 more big trade for amar’e will put the hawks in the top 3 in the east like i say we have to keep josh and joe.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Keep It Real from Cleveland

July 12th, 2009
10:58 pm

Are you guys serious about M. Williams?

He is a role player and they play well with-out him! He does not play defense so what he has length, he does not use it!

Marvin is also injury prone!

Dump him and get Chris Wilcox put him in the post and let Al Hortford play power forward!

Keep It Real from ATL

July 12th, 2009
11:09 pm

Keep It Real From Cleveland, I have one name to say to you……..Jordon Crawford!!!

Stoned Mountain

July 12th, 2009
11:14 pm

you tell ‘em Cleveland.

bye Marvin

darrell starks

July 12th, 2009
11:17 pm

2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, AMAR’E
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, MOE, WILCOX, ZAZA,
RESERVE WEST, SOLO
TOP 3 IN THE EAST
PAYROLL 76 MILL
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2009
11:32 pm

Good stuff Nookah, was looking around for those stats and couldn’t find them….

niremetal

July 12th, 2009
11:43 pm

JOR-DAN CRAW-FORD (*bang, bang, bang-bang-bang*), JOR-DAN CRAW-FORD (*bang, bang, bang-bang-bang*)

KevinA

July 12th, 2009
11:52 pm

Chills/Marvin/Flip/ Gooden and Solo need at min a one year deal. If we are over the cap we can dump Crawford for a draft pick in a month and 1/2. get-er-done

KevinA

July 12th, 2009
11:54 pm

niremetal – your estimation of what a Jordan Crawford will cost. Dump West?

Nique

July 12th, 2009
11:54 pm

I’d love to see up pick up Gooden, Odom, or Wilcox at the PF & if R. Morris isn’t gonna play, cut him, let Solo walk & pick up Theo as well. Resign Marvin too. giving us a line up of PG.Bibby/Teague SG. JJ/Crawford SF Williams/Evens PF Smith/ Gooden, Odom, or Wilcox C Horford/Zaza/Theo. add our 2cnd round pick this year & Chill or whatever we get for him & that’s 1 hell of a squad!

Nique

July 13th, 2009
12:05 am

How about a Chill’s for Arron Afflalo trade, he’s said to be on the move & is a good defender with range because of his wingspand. I’d do a trade for him & Detroit’s 2cnd next year for Chills if he’s unwilling to sign with us, but wants to come back to the NBA.

chris o bomb

July 13th, 2009
12:05 am

yes… a intricate part of the team, but he out of four years i believe, he’s clearly an outside shooter like his days at unc. if another team really wants him, sign and trade maybe. otherwise, give him what he’s worth from the proven years. if he doesnt get anything in the market but needing more, give him a two year deal with options at about 3.5- 5.5 a year. he clearly cannot make more than j. chill or hasnt shown the great potential as j smooth. j smooth— make a better percentage on foul shots and less attempts at three’s and you’re a top 25 player in the league! just because(great court vision and a real threat on highlight passes too)

chris o bomb

July 13th, 2009
12:15 am

by the way… thwg. this is the south. until great things happen, it’s still hard on us with the front office… #21. with that said, i can see and hope we are moving forward with sund. and can you get these amateurs CLOWNS in hyping up the crowd, lets start to ACT MORE PROFESSIONAL. the falcons does not need it, and the braves stopped this season(thank goodness… because of payroll. haha)

chris o bomb

July 13th, 2009
12:25 am

wilkins forever! we as fans need to push something for him(at least turn one of those chick fil a cow’s in honor of him… geez. no mj but… ) at philips!!! j crawford and a little less paul(teague)! yes. thank you SUND!

Grip

July 13th, 2009
12:47 am

How many injuries does it take to “give up” on a player??? Dude is 23 with back problems, and a host of other stuff, I promise you the most diehard hawk fan can not name half the injuries dude has had. Signing him back is not a good move. Seku, I will say I told you so on this one, I believe he has scolious too.

niremetal

July 13th, 2009
12:51 am

Grip,

Scoliosis? Think you’re getting Marvin mixed up with Tracy McGrady, dude.

outlaw30079

July 13th, 2009
1:41 am

U talking about Williams being hurt alot wow but everyone wont to bring in Amare Stoudemire he still not right

whats up with all the West luv do we realy need him i would take gardner over him????????