Still a work in progress
Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on what it's going to take to get it done.
HAWKSVILLE - The word spreading around the NBA summer league in Las Vegas is that Marvin Williams and the Hawks have agreed to terms on a new deal (so say our friends at hoopsworld.com).
That would be news to Williams.
“Somebody is lying to them,” Williams said via text message Sunday afternoon. “That’s not true.”
As reported here last week, the Hawks are working hard to get something done.
But it’s not done.
Not yet.
In defense of the folks at HOOPSWORLD, their headline (”Marvin Williams gets his deal”) reads much stronger than the actual text of their item, which clearly states that “sources” told them that the sides are “close” to a new deal.
It makes sense that they heard that. Everybody in this business has sources.
Still, when asked Sunday afternoon if the sides had a deal in place, Jim Tanner, who represents not only Williams but also Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress, responded via text, “NO.”
On the bright side, Williams did say that the injuries (back and wrist) that soured the end of his fourth season are healing fine and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.
And as I wrote in an entry last week, the situation for Williams looks like this: “Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.”
This isn’t high-level economics we’re talking about here people. It’s simply the art of negotiating. The team comes low, the representative for the player comes high and ultimately the sides make nice, after a whole lot of haggling over details, and decide to meet in the middle somewhere.
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Ariose
July 13th, 2009
3:52 pm
Nire, oh yeah. Nice doubleteam lol!!!
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:00 pm
I you wanna know what Joe is doing then check his freaking twitter!
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:01 pm
*If
Trainwreck
July 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
204th! get Marvin Williams signed boys!
Mitch
July 13th, 2009
4:06 pm
That’s lame ranking on Sekou. He’s the best reporter and most interactive blogger on this staff, hands down. Give the man his due props.
Mitch (MA)
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
4:12 pm
Rod,
You wanted someone to explain Marvin’s stats to you. Here you go:
Points: 07-08: 14.8 08-09: 13.9
Down a smidgen, BUT Marvin had fewer attempts per game this past year than the year before (as did Josh, if you remember Ray’s explanation of the “Bibby effect”)
Rebounds: 07-08: 5.7 08-09: 6.3
Marvin has increased his rebound avg. every year since he started.
Shooting %: 07-08: .462% 08-09: .458%
Virtually the same EXCEPT when it comes to 3 point %:
07-08 .100% 08-09: .355% A HUGE increase.
Assists per game: 07-08: 1.7 08-09: 1.3
Slight decrease at least partially due to Marvin’s increased 3 point range making him the recipient of some “bailout” passes at the end of the shot clock. Similarly, Josh’s assists were down slightly as well. If the frontcourt were to get the ball with more time on the clock, you’d see ALL of their assist numbers go up.
Steals per game: 07-08: 1.0 08-09: 0.9 Virtually the same.
Blocks per game: 07-08: 0.41 08-09: 0.64 A big increase nearly equal to an extra blocked shot every 4 games from the year before. And SOME of us saw it while it happened.
Turnovers per game: 07-08: 1.59 08-08: 1.15 Down in a category you would HOPE to be lower.
PF per game: 07-08: 2.80 08-09: 2.10 Down again. These last two are underappreciated stats. Fewer TO’s and fewer fouls mean fewer scoring opportunities for the opponents.
So, to sum it up: Down a smidge in scoring, steals and assists. Up in rebounding, blocks, 3 pt. % and a decrease in the negative stats (TO’s and PFs).
All in all, considering his ROLE as 4th option, I’d say that even on the stat sheet he’s better overall. Do NOT discount how his increased ability as a 3 point threat opened up the floor for others. Even you admitted that his defense was somewhat improved. And that’s with fouling less often.
I hope this explains why at least some people say he’s improved. I know that you disagree, but perhaps this will let you see why others might conclude he’s better.
I didn’t need the stats to know, because I watched the games. He took MUCH better angles on his drives, and finished at a much higher percentage than before. And as was posted earlier, had more “and 1’s” per game than JJ.
And yes, he fell down fewer times than before. I don’t know if his defense improved, but for sure his defensive EFFORT improved.
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
4:12 pm
Ariose, what is Joe’s twitter id or whatever you call them things.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
4:14 pm
Keep It Real from ATL,
He is our 4th option for a reason. I would not even say he is our 4th option. Last year I would put Joe, Josh, Bibby, Flip, and then Marvin, and Horford ain’t far behind. Ever wonder why he is our 4th or 5th option, but our highest draft pick. Maybe it’s because he is not as good as the other players. Ever thought about that. Hmm. You can’t continue to project what he would do with more shots, because he can’t create his own shot, has no handles, and won’t assert himself on the offensive end. He has no offensive moves, and all his shots are dependent on him getting the ball in a position to score. He is a role player. The question is, is a role player worth 7 to 8 million a year. I say no. 4 to 5 yes, 7 to 8 no. Especially one with a back problem. If the team stays constructed as is he will be the 5th or 6th option this year. I banking on Horford being a lot better this year.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:17 pm
http://twitter.com/LittleRock02
Mike
July 13th, 2009
4:18 pm
Look, you can’t emphasize this enough in today’s game: you can’t just compare numbers, you also have to compare salaries. I agree with those who say Marvin’s numbers are down as the fourth option, but more importantly they will be getting him for much less than those other guys. Even the weakest guys on that list (except Ariza and Artest and a couple on rookie contracts) are all making 8 figures, and so are a lot of SFs not on that list. Even the weaker players like Deng (speaking of injuries) and Prince are making 8 figures. There is not a team in the NBA that would not jump at a chance to sign Marvin for a multi-year deal at aroudn $8 million a year if his back is good. Even fricking Andre Bargnani just got $10 million a year for five years.
I MUS WRITE
July 13th, 2009
4:18 pm
Heard woody on Buck and kincade saying that we are looking to bring in 2 more big men ….didnt say who tho
well atleast we know they’re looking for help
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:20 pm
Rod just got OWNED by Sautee hehehe…..
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:22 pm
Orlando Mathced the offer for Marcin Gortat!!!!
No way the Mavs don’t sign Hollins now.
Mike
July 13th, 2009
4:22 pm
But the “option” list just looks at the offensive end. Marvin is a much better defender than Flip or Bibby. Only Joe can guard wing players as well. And even Bibby can’t create his own shot as well. Marvin’s not a star, but he’s not a mere role player, either. He’s a well-rounded, solid starter, and if he stays healthy he will be for years. A solid NBA starter in his prime is worth $8 million a year, especially if he does a little of everything like Marvin does.
alex
July 13th, 2009
4:23 pm
Someone please tell me why , Chris Wilcox is still on the block ,,,,And The Hawks Haven’t Made a Move.
Mike
July 13th, 2009
4:27 pm
Also, I really just don’t see how anyone who watched the games could say that he can’t create his own shot. He’s the only one other than Joe or occasionally Flip who could drive into a crowd effectively. His handle isn’t great, but it’s okay for a 6′9″ guy, and good enough to get him to the rim. There were games (admittedly when the coaches called him out to be more aggressive) where he was all they had going on the offensive end, and I believe his injuries really hurt them in the half-court sets in the playoffs.
Melvin
July 13th, 2009
4:29 pm
Ariose,
That’s terrible news. I was hoping we could snatch Hollins for a bargain.
Clyde
July 13th, 2009
4:30 pm
Did we sign a center yet?
Hey Ray and Ken where’s the love man? Astro Joe, Doc, and drmaryb still have my back.
Don’t worry the Hawks will get it right sooner or later. Reports are they are in talks of bringing Lorenzen Wright back to Atlanta.
Mike
July 13th, 2009
4:30 pm
I’d like to see the Hawks get Wilcox, too, but maybe they’ve tried and he’s holding out for too much money so far. There will be people killing the Hawks for not bringing David Andersen over, but they did make an offer that he turned down. I was hoping they would get Brandon Bass, but I thought he got more than he was worth, or would have been worth to the Hawks, anyway. You have to get these guys to agree.
Speaking of which, can anybody believe that Andre Miller still thinks he’s going to get $10 million a year in this free agent market? Unbelievable.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
Sautee,
Good explanation, but you can’t say on every stat the he was worse in that it was almost equal or it was because of …… Overall his stats are not better. That is the argument. Why, and woody took him out when he was hot, and if he took more shots….. is all irrelevant. If that’s the case, I could say that he is breaking down more this year as he gets older than any other year, but I don’t use that argument.
14.8> 13.9 PPG
1.7 > 1.3
.462% > .458
You left out Free throw percentage .822 >.806
1.0 >.09
Again I was not great in Math, but the numbers do not reflect the statement that he really improved his game this year. Regardless of what you and you blog buddies say. You saw one thing, and I saw another. So you really did not help me understand, but good effort. Why don’t you pull up his playoff stats and prove to me that he was better this year also. Oh wait, I know he was hurt. If he were healthy he would have shut Lebron down. LOL
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
Bibby set Andre Millers Market LOL! If I was him, I’d be sending Bibby a nasty E-Mail Right about now Heh!
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
Sautee,
Nice round-up. Also, when you look at pace-adjusted stats, Marvin actually improved in terms of the rate at which he scored as well. Most importantly, his FG% basically remained constant despite the fact that he took a ton more 3s – which means he scored significantly more efficiently than he did in past years (a fact that is most obvious when you look at his EFG%). That’s why he actually led the Hawks in Offensive Rating, a stat that tracks points produced per 100 possessions:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
4:40 pm
In any case, my view has always been that you can find stats to back up virtually any argument. Like with Bibby, it’s mainly the things that DON’T show up in the stats that make Marvin a very good player and a perfect fit for the Hawks.
The Back of KevinA's Mind
July 13th, 2009
4:40 pm
Let’s see….. Trade Crawford, trade Crawford, trade Crawford. Chills WILL come back, I KNOW he will, I KNOW he will, I KNOW he will……
Trade Crawford, trade Crawford…..errrr where was I?
Oh yeah, Chills will come back. I KNOW he will, I KNOW he will, I KNOW he will, I KNOW he will……
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
Ariose,
“Rod just got OWNED by Sautee hehehe…..”
You say tomato, I say tomaato. Clean you glasses.
jase
July 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
we need to get a big man now and resign marvin williams
jase
July 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
go hawks
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
4:47 pm
Nireclown,
“Nice round-up. Also, when you look at pace-adjusted stats, Marvin actually improved in terms of the rate at which he scored as well. Most importantly, his FG% basically remained constant despite the fact that he took a ton more 3s – which means he scored significantly more efficiently than he did in past years (a fact that is most obvious when you look at his EFG%).”
Spoken like a true stat man. I look at what happens when he is one on one with a guy 3 inches shorter than him. I guess its because I played and you worked the scoreboard. Oh well.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
4:48 pm
Nire,
About the stats, I hear you. That’s why I posted about not needing them to know Marvin had improved. I watched every game I could and it was easily visible to me.
I’ll take the eye test over stats in MOST cases. And, as you have said before, basketball tends to measure the things that are easily measured, and that misses out on some of the nuanced things about any one player’s ability.
Mike
July 13th, 2009
4:51 pm
Bibby didn’t hurt Miller at all. Bibby was lucky he got as much as he got, because there was nobody out there to give him more than the mid-level except the Hawks, and maybe he wouldn’t have gotten that. It’s just a different free agent market now. Miller should have worked out an extension a year ago.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:51 pm
Rod, aww where’s your funny bone mr.Gwrumpy Guss?
I’m just sayin’,He smacked you with facts….now it’s your move.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
4:53 pm
Rod,
“You saw one thing, and I saw another.”
Yes, and I ALSO saw most of Marvin’s 39 blocks. But somehow you missed those. All of them.
Are you sure you watched the games? How could you have missed THAT MANY BLOCKS?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:54 pm
Mike, I agree, But no other PG onthe market is going to get more than Bibby just did. I thing Jack just agreed to 4mill a year from Toronto. 4yrs 20mill in all.
Anakin Joe
July 13th, 2009
4:55 pm
You know, when you factor in all of the hair-care products, Marvin will likely be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than Childress. Just sayin’
Sounds like Orlando plans to get every freakin’ rebound this season between Howard, Gortat and Bass. But hey, we’ve got the 6th man of the year. And Alan Henderson is ready to make that comeback now that his knees are finally healthy.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
4:59 pm
Rod, in the 08′ playoffs he blocked KG from behiend and thn lobbed to Chills for tha ‘oop. I KNOW you remember that one.
Samuel
July 13th, 2009
5:00 pm
I think Marvin improved quite a bit this year. That being said, I don’t think he is or will ever be a top 10 SF in the league. He will be a “solid” NBA player but nothing special.
I would also love to have him back this year but definately would not overpay for him. MLE and not much more. Hopefully,he has learned from the Childress situation in that nobody will be clarmoring for a slightly better than average SF who is somewhat injury prone. The ball is in our court, he(Marvin) can sign or take his chances in this uncertain economy. I believe he will sign for around 6mil.
Again, L Odom is still on the board. I would much rather have him than Marvin and a “filler”. Odom can fill multiple needs on this team. People keep saying that the Lakers are a lock but so far, it hasn’t happened.
Clyde, we’ll get our shot blocker. I predict Ratliff or Wilcox.
MAC-TOWN
July 13th, 2009
5:06 pm
Trade Joe for a TOP NOTCH Center and put Bob Rathbun at SG and we are SET!!
GO HAWKS!!!!
Stating the Obvious
July 13th, 2009
5:08 pm
When Sam/Rod has painted himself into yet another corner, he tends to call names and generally be demeaning. Childlike, I should say.
No, childish is the right word. If it weren’t amusing it would be pitiable.
A Tribe Called Quest
July 13th, 2009
5:11 pm
Can someone please explain why the Lakers are 16 mill over the cap (32 mill in luxury taxes) before resigning Lamar (if they do) and so many teams are UNDER the cap? Why are these multi-millionaire/BILLIONAIRE owners scared to go into the luxury tax? 10 or 20 mill for these guys should be chump change. You’d assume an ownership group of 19 guys (ASG) would spend major bucks to get some major FA’s here.
Someone please respond
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
5:12 pm
Samuel,
Good to know I am not crazy. I’m sure the regulars on the board will tell you that Marvin’s stats are better than Odom’s. Anyone with any knowledge of the game would take Odom over Marvin. But in the AJC Hawks blog land Marvin is this great player who if he took 25 shots a game would be the leading scorer, and FG% player in the league.
Jay
July 13th, 2009
5:13 pm
It seems that signing Marvin Williams to a 5-year deal at a cost of $7.5M-$8M per year will get done at some point during this summer. While we can agree to disagree about his importance to the team or whether he is in the top 10 (or 20 or 30) of SFs in the league, there are a couple of things that seem clear. First, he has always conducted himself as a true professional despite the criticism heaped upon him over things not under his power to control (his draft position, not being as successful as Paul or D. Williams, etc.). Second, Coach Woodson likes what Williams brings (his skill-set, intangibles and the willingness to put in the time and work necessary to improve his game) to the team.
At the end of the season, Coach Woodon stated his desire to have all of his free-agents return to the team and GM Sund is doing his best to make that happen. So, like it or not, Horford will play Center, even though some think he is undersized and would be better as a PF; Smith will play PF, even though some want him to play SF; Williams will play SF, even though there are some who think he should be traded; and Pachulia will be the back-up Center, even though some think the team needs someone who is more of a shotblocking presence in that position.
Here’s something important to keep in mind: the synergy between Al Horford, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, as a starting frontcourt, benefits the team more than their individual talents might otherwise suggest. This team, warts and all, won 47 games last year and probably should have won 50. Their major weakness was having only an 8-man rotation, a situation that became problematic in the playoff series against Cleveland when three of those 8 players were injured.
At this point in the summer, that major weakness has yet to be addressed. So far, the only change is that two guys on the end of the bench (Law and Claxton) have been replaced by a combo guard (Jamal Crawford) and they believe Crawford represents an upgrade over Flip Murray).
The question not answered is whether Coach Woodson wants a 9-man rotation or a 10-man rotation. In either case, another big man, preferably a PF/C type, is needed (a while back, under prompting by Big Ray, I suggested that Chris Wilcox would be the man the Hawks sign to fill that role–it was good to see him get some love on subsequent blogs).
Right now, Childress is the wild-card. On one hand, a second unit of Childress, Crawford, Pachulia, Wilcox and Evans or Teague, with Solomon Jones as the 12th man, (with Randolph Morris and Mario West completing the roster) gives the Hawks a much stronger bench, as well as a better chance to advance to the Conference Championship or beyond, than last year. On the other hand, a sign-and-trade of Childress may enable the Hawks to get a back-up PF and re-sign Flip Murray to complete the 10-man rotation. I guess we’ll get a better idea about the plans to fortify the bench after Childress’ opt-out deadling passes on Wednesday night.
Until then, all we can do is hope that GM Sund has a solid plan in place for improving the bench.
Traceman
July 13th, 2009
5:13 pm
Rod,
Marvin’s ‘08-’09 numbers were better than his ‘07-’08 numbers because he was FAR more efficient. His true shooting percentage was significantly higher because he started taking (and making) 3’s, his rebound rate was significantly higher and his turnover rate was significantly lower. All that added up to Marvin having a 16.04 PER last year versus a 14.74 PER the previous year.
Last year, Marvin was #11 in PER for SFs who played 30 mpg or more (starting SFs). That put him ahead of Salmons, Artest, Jefferson, Gay, Hill, Prince, Turkoglu, Azuibuike, Deng, W. Chandler, Thornton and Battier. Ariza, Outlaw, Barnes, Finley, Posey and Ricky Davis didn’t play 30 mg or more bur Marvin’s PER was higher than their’s too. The top 10 were LeBron, Granger, Durant, Anthony, Butler, G. Wallace, Pierce, Howard, Magette and Jackson.
Marvin’s true shooting percentage was 8th among starting SFs. LeBron, Wallace, Granger, Hill, Pierce, Magette and Salmons were the only ones better. Battier, Azuibuike, Jefferson, butler, Turkoglu, Anthony and Howard rounded out the top 15.
Marvin was 4th in rebound rate for starting SFs. Only Wallace, LeBron and Carmelo rebounded at a higher rate among starters. Deng, Durant, Butler, Prince, Pierce, Chandler, Artest Azuibuike, Tukoglu, Battier and Thornton round out the top 15.
Marvin was 3rd in TO rate among starting SFs behind only Peja and Prince.
Bottom line is that you can say that Marvin’s numbers were better in ‘07-’08 but the overall stats prove otherwise. You can also make a list of SFs that are suppposedly better than Marvin but the stats say otherwise to that as well.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
5:15 pm
AJ, yeah you’re right lol!!!
We should sign James “Big Country” Verrett to be our backup PF!!!! We’d really be set then!!
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
5:15 pm
Stating the Obvious,
Look whose talking. DUMMY. How’s that. Or how about Eat a @#$%.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
5:16 pm
Odum, like Josh Smith, can’t play SF full time. They are too big. They can’t stay in fron of Quick guys like LeBron and Butler.
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
5:18 pm
Rod,
Do have any idea how much you sound like a middle schooler with a combination of OCD and ADD? 98% of your posts relate to bashing one player – Marvin.
You came in here and within a day you called me a clown, called Ray gay, and basically call everyone who disagrees with you a dummy. When people point out things that you say that are objectively, verifiably false, and instead of saying “my bad,” you respond by calling other people and their opinions stupid. For awhile, you posted using two different handles and kept denying it until you got your two identities mixed up and someone pointed that out. Since then, “Sam” has mysteriously disappeared. But I digress…
The vast majority of the time, when someone disagrees with you, you respond by 1) being dismissive and condescending; or 2) flat-out insulting them. With me, you actually call me out and challenge me to play 1-on-1 with you (or challenge me to a fight, sometimes I can’t even tell).
How old are you? 13? This is a BLOG. NO ONE here played in the NBA. Most people here didn’t even play varsity ball in high school, I’d wager. I freely admit that I’d probably lose to you 1-on-1. And guess what – THAT DOESN’T MATTER. Most of the greatest coaches and GMs in NBA history were either mediocre NBA players or else never played in the league at all, and most of the Hall of Fame players who have tried their hand at coaching or GMing have failed miserably.
So let me just ask this – what are you trying to prove? If you care about our opinions, then you shouldn’t call everyone who disagrees with you “clown,” “gay,” “dummy,” or whatever. And if you don’t care about our opinions, then why the hell are you here?
Today, for the first time, I saw you say to someone “let’s agree to disagree.” That’s the usual tenor of the dialogue in Blog Z-land. I admit that I’m not without fault. Like with Clyde and Horford, I find it fun to provoke you about Marvin. I baited you into a lot of the stuff. But I’m willing to give it a rest after today. But for Christ’s sake, just man up, say “my bad” and move on. If you can’t do that, then you need to grow up.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
5:19 pm
Traceman,
Once again, very good data.
KevinA
July 13th, 2009
5:20 pm
I for one would like to see the back court give up 6-90 of their their jump shooting options per game. If JJ/Bibby/Crawford/Flip worked on getting the ball to Josh/Al/Marvin/Chills/ZaZa we would be a more efficient offense. At minimum the back court should drive the ball more with our bigs in place for rebounds.
Does anybody have numbers on how 3 pt shots and long jumpers affect rebounding stats. Are there numbers that show fast breaks coming from jumpers compare with fast breaks coming from points in the paint. Here are some numbers I do have.
First option JJ 1420 shots
2nd Bibby 1005
4th Flip 795
9th Acie 139
total 3,359
3rd Josh 849
5th Marvin 622
6th Al 594
7th Evans 482
8th ZaZa 320
10th Solo 111
total 2978
All the players in the botttom set of numbers shoot better than the players in the top set of numbers except for Evans. He shoots like JJ does. .437 Crawford shoots at a .404 clip. Flip if we lost him was the best of the lot..447 My main man Chills shoots at a .571 clip with 537 shot attempts.
Why does the back court shoot so bad and shoot so much? Add to that we lose rebounding chances on the offense after long jump shots. Add to that we give up more fast break chances to the opponents.
Conclusion? Pass and drive the the ball. Take it to the hoop. Make the other team play defense.
Ok I’m done. lol
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
5:20 pm
Heh…if I’d slowed down and hit “refresh,” I could have just said “co-sign STO” and saved myself the trouble. But I hope you prove me wrong, Rod. I really do.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
5:20 pm
http://www.nba.com/hawks/video/2009/07/13/BibbySigns.nba/index.html