Still a work in progress
Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on what it's going to take to get it done.
HAWKSVILLE - The word spreading around the NBA summer league in Las Vegas is that Marvin Williams and the Hawks have agreed to terms on a new deal (so say our friends at hoopsworld.com).
That would be news to Williams.
“Somebody is lying to them,” Williams said via text message Sunday afternoon. “That’s not true.”
As reported here last week, the Hawks are working hard to get something done.
But it’s not done.
Not yet.
In defense of the folks at HOOPSWORLD, their headline (”Marvin Williams gets his deal”) reads much stronger than the actual text of their item, which clearly states that “sources” told them that the sides are “close” to a new deal.
It makes sense that they heard that. Everybody in this business has sources.
Still, when asked Sunday afternoon if the sides had a deal in place, Jim Tanner, who represents not only Williams but also Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress, responded via text, “NO.”
On the bright side, Williams did say that the injuries (back and wrist) that soured the end of his fourth season are healing fine and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.
And as I wrote in an entry last week, the situation for Williams looks like this: “Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.”
This isn’t high-level economics we’re talking about here people. It’s simply the art of negotiating. The team comes low, the representative for the player comes high and ultimately the sides make nice, after a whole lot of haggling over details, and decide to meet in the middle somewhere.
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niremetal
July 13th, 2009
11:12 am
Rod,
I’m sorry, but anyone who played 1 game of D-1 ball would know that offensive fouls never lead to free throws.
This is just too easy. It’s like watching a dog chase his tail.
Melvin
July 13th, 2009
11:15 am
My goodness. Jeff Schultz hasn’t written an article about the hawks in in weeks and his upcoming blog suggest Sund needs a increase in pay. For what? I give Sund credit for the Crawford deal. However, he only re-sign 2 (possibly 3) players that he inherited to modest contracts. Why should that merit an increase????
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
11:19 am
Rod,
I played JV ball in high school, but quit after my sophomore year after I busted my knee. The highlight of my “career” was playing in the youth Maccabi games.
I have little doubt that you are a better player on the court than me. But that doesn’t mean jack when you’re talking about analyzing the game. Remind me, how did Isiah Thomas do as a coach compared to Greg Popovich?
Even if you did play ball in college (which you obviously didn’t, or else you’d know basic things like the rules regarding fouls and the penalty), it wouldn’t change the fact that all you do is obsess about Marvin and talk out of your butt all day.
As I said – it’s like a dog chasing his tail. You don’t even realize how stupid you look.
GeeMack
July 13th, 2009
11:20 am
Sekou
I guess my question would be is Marvin a superstar talented as predicted when he was drafted? I just think right now the hawks would be better served playing Josh @ 3 his natural spot and Al @ 4 his natural spot, and Zaza at 5. This betters the areas we got killed in the majority of our 13 losses by 10 or more points when we were badly out rebound.
chaz
July 13th, 2009
11:25 am
wilcox would be a great upgrade over solo and a solid backup playing with zaza, but he is still really a PF who doesn’t block shots. we desperately need a defensive presence in the middle. someone like camby/kaman/dalembert would be great but what do we have to offer besides childress to make the contracts match? if ratliff can still play he might be the most realistic and affordable alternative
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
11:29 am
GeeMack,
What about Josh’s game makes you say that SF is his “natural spot”
GeeMack
July 13th, 2009
11:30 am
The only thing the Hawks are missing is a superstar player. We have all the other ingredient of a Champioship caliber team, and Marvin was suppose to be that player.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
11:33 am
Rod,
You said this about Marvin: “I don’t think I have ever seen him block a shot in 3 years.”
Hey Rod, Marvin’s been here for 4 years, and in that time he’s blocked 126 shots.
You haven’t seen ANY of them? He blocked 39 shots in the 61 games he played in last year. And you didn’t see ANY of them?
Weren’t YOU the one questioning whether another poster actually WATCHED the games?
If Marvin blocked 39 shots and you didn’t see a single one, then I think we will ALL have to question whether or not YOU actually watched the games.
Your hyperbole doesn’t win your argument, it weakens it.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
11:35 am
Nireclown,
Yeah, just like I told you early in the year that Trevor Ariza was better than Marvin, and everyone said I was crazy. OK. Once again.
“I would be willing to lay 4:1 odds that Josh will never be the leading scorer on a playoff time.” Nire
I wouldn’t lay those odds if I were you. What if I took you up on your bet? I got 5,000 that says you are wrong. Would you be able to afford Law school? $20,000 is a lot of cash for someone in school. You played JV? HA. I’m in DC 5 or 6 times a year. Be glad to meet you any time. Matter of fact, this year, I will be in DC for the Hawks games there, get with me. I’ll have a ticket for you. I want to see if you will talk so tough without a keyboard. I put the offer out there. Take me up on it tough guy.
GeeMack
July 13th, 2009
11:35 am
Look at his game he runs the floor, knows how to get to the basket. He just needs to work on his jump shot 15 feet and closer. He is not a power player by any stretch. That why we constantly get out rebounded and out muscled in the post.
Dan23
July 13th, 2009
11:42 am
I believe the Sund is doing it the right way. He is keeping a core of young players together. Marvin has increased his numbers each year. What the team has needed was experience and depth. They have been gaining the experience and now need to add the depth. Crawford and Teague help in the backcourt. Now they need to address frontcourt. This is where somehow keeping Chills would really help. But, if what Sekou believes is true, hopefully they can bring back some depth for the frontcourt in a sign and trade. But I think keeping him would help more. Does anyone know if Sund has had conversations with Wilcox’s people?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
11:45 am
Wilcox is actuall a little shorter than Horford, But as a Backup PF I really like him…..that still doesn’t thange the fact that we need lenght against teams like the Lakers/Cavs
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Wilcox-4856/stats/leaders/
Ken Strickland
July 13th, 2009
11:47 am
ROD FROM COLLEGE PARK-I don’t understand your reasoning. You went to great lengths in offering a list of your perceptions of Marvins shortcomings. Then you stated you’d have no problem resigning him, but for no more that 4-5M. Tell me, will paying him less money make his height more revelant, improve his rebounding, DEF, shotblocking, shooting and scoring and ball handling?
Marvin averaged .64BPG last yr, and judging from your negative assessment of him, you’ve missed most of the things he’s managed to accomplish. Too many fans allow personal issues and feelings to interfere with sound judgement, and try to justify these personal feelings and issue by exaggerating their perceptions of the player in question.
let’s assume your comparison of Chills and Marvin is correct. Chills in no longer in play and definitely isn’t coming back to the Hawks, but Marvin is still in play and will be back. So why waste time and effort comparing the two when Marvin is the only option of the 2, unless you’re trying to justify you personal dislike for him and/or the way he plays?
There have been numerous explanations for the Hawks problems. We’ve heard about JJ’s lack of vocal leadership, Woodsons coaching limitations, Marvin’s passiveness, Bibby’s poor DEF, Horford not being a true center, Josh’s attitude or immaturity, Woodson’s limited OFF etc. Well, it not an either or situation, but a combination of most if not all of the above.
I’ve personally focused on Woodson as the main cause of our problems because I believe in cause and effect. I look at the Hawks situation the same way I look at constructing a house. If the foundation isn’t properly laid, the rest of the house will always have problems. It doesn’t matter how much time, money and effort you spend fixing cracked walls and ceilings(avoiding the real problem by blaming players and constantly proposing trades and FA acquisitions as a quick fix) as long as you don’t attempt to fix the cause of those cracks(BK tried to fix our flawed foundation when he wanted to fire Woodson), nothing will get better in the longrun(draftee’s not being developed to contribute off the bench or replace vets when they leave, and starters breaking down due to overuse). You can try saving face by rationalizing that as long as the outside of the house still looks good(like making the playoffs and winning 47gms)you can ignore the real cause of the problems, the faulty foundation.
If we hired Nate McMillan, who’s almost certain to be available after this season, our foundational problems will be resolved.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
11:47 am
Wilcox is Also only 26, that’s niice.
DAVID
July 13th, 2009
11:48 am
Each year Marvin’s game has gotten better, he’s going to have to continue doing that, because the Hawks could have one of the best back courts in the league (Johnson and CP3 or Johnson and Deron)…. The Hawks back court is going to do damage with the addition of Crawford, if Childress comes back, the Hawks should be top 3 in the Eastern Conference…Would love to see them get bigger in 2010 B-O-S-H!!!!!!!
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
11:49 am
Sautee,
While your facts do make sense the key is I said:
“I don’t think I have ever seen him block a shot in 3 years.”
That statement does not make it a fact, it is what I have seen. People will argue that Josh can’t shoot three pointers, but I’m sure he has made some in his career. It was not an arguement, it was what I have seen. The arguement was based on the fact that his length is why we need him. I disagree. How about comparing his blocks with another guy his size and position like Granger, and tell me how big he plays. Playing big to me means blocks, rebounds, and some sort of intimidation. Marvin can only rebound. Good try.
O'Brien
July 13th, 2009
11:54 am
In Marvin’s 4 years, he has played in 284 games (71 games per season average), and he started 209 of them. However, last season, he missed 21 games, and in 06-07, he missed 18 games. And his back injury is a concern, because they can be recurring. I would offer him 4 years, $30 mil. Thats an average of $7.5 mil per year. I am also okay with the 3 years, $25 mil somebody suggested.
What kind of contract do you offer someone who has not fully recovered from their injuries? If I’m the Hawks, I would take it slow with Marvin.
And we agree that Mo’ Evans is too small to play backup SF, so a guy like Gerald Green would be a good pickup (low risk, high reward).
Reggie
July 13th, 2009
11:56 am
He’s had 126 blocks in his career. I guess you haven’t watched many games. You are insane if you don’t think we have to get Marvin on this team. He doesn’t block many shots but we got Smith for that.
dap01
July 13th, 2009
11:59 am
Sekou: What is the scouting report on Theo Ratliff at this stage of his career? If he could contribute a small amount pf PT then he may be a very cost effective option?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:03 pm
You can CLEARLY see the Significant Developmen Marvin has made from this 07-08 season.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
12:03 pm
Ken Strickland,
While I agree with your argument about Woodson, we disagree about Marvin. Simple as that. I don’t believe his a top 15 small forward in the league. That is why I would not pay him the kind of money he is asking for. If he gets 7 to 8 millon a year, he would be the 3rd or 4th highest paid player on the team. He was not the 4th best player on our team last year obviously, because WE PLAYED BETTER WITHOUT HIM. I personally feel like the guy would not be starting on a number of teams in the league if it were not for his draft position. Woodson actually helps him. But I did notice towards the end of the year, Woodson lost faith in him, probably because of the injury. Childress was brought up because he does not want to play for the Hawks, because you favorite coach would not start him over a guy that he proved he was better than. Any person that is competitive would feel the same way. Maybe if Marvin is out of the mix, he would consider coming back.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:08 pm
ARRRGH!!! STUPID AJC ATE MY POST!!!!
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
12:10 pm
Ariose,
Looks like 07-08 was better to me. I don’t see the improvement. Maybe Sautee sees something I don’t. He is good with numbers and percentages.
07-08 ATL 80 80 34.6 0.462 0.100 0.822 1.5 4.2 5.7 1.7 1.0 0.4 1.59 2.80 14.8
08-09 ATL 61 59 34.3 0.458 0.355 0.806 1.8 4.5 6.3 1.3 0.9 0.6 1.15 2.10 13.9
O'Brien
July 13th, 2009
12:16 pm
Rod,
I am not a big fan of Marvin, but based on the market and the Hawks need and team make-up, I hope we bring him back (for a reasonable price, assuming he is healthy). However, you said “Simple as that. I don’t believe he is a top 15 small forward in the league”.
He is not a top 5 SF, and top 10 might be debatable, but could you really name 15 SF in the league who you believe are better than Marvin? I dont think you can name 15 SF and find anyone (coaches, scouts, GM’s fans) to agree with you on those 15, that they are better than Marvin.
Jim Tanner
July 13th, 2009
12:16 pm
Dear Mr. Rod from College Park,
I received notification this morning that you broke the restraining order against my Client, Marvin Williams. The security guards at Mr. Williams’ house said that they found you at the front gate to his house again, this time holding two dozen red and white roses and screaming “IF I CAN’T HAVE HIM, NO ONE CAN!!!.” Since this is the third time this has happened in the past month, I feel the need to directly address you in public since the private attempts to stop you have not wokred.
As you know, we got the restraingig order in the first place because you were caught following Marvin to the Kwik-e-mart and attempting to peel the paint off his car as a souveneir.
We understand that you are still upset about Marvin posterizing you in the game you played against him while he was at UNC and that you suffered severe mental damages and obsessive-compulsive as a result. We had hoped that the psych counseling that the court ordered after you sent Marvin your 24th love letter (to match his uniform number, we know) would help. But clearly it has not. Marvin needs to focus on his game this summer in case Joe Johnson gets TIRED again, and the distraction created by your stalking makes that hard.
If you’re stalking behavior continues though we’ll have to call the police. Given the sexual treatment you received in jail after you were arrested for attempting stealing several pairs of Mr. Williams’ underwear, we are certain that you do no want it to come to that again.
Sincerely,
James Tanner, Attorney at Law
EJH
July 13th, 2009
12:24 pm
If anyone care to Mention Marvin’s back injury could be a concern, but I am sure there are some clauses placed in the contract that protects the hawks organization or some form of insurance policy for any subsequent severe injury that he may have going forward. Marving is going to be a player in this league, he is only 22 about be to be 23, but the game people seem to be forgetting is the Game on the ROAd in Denver against Carmelo, where he matched him point for point and kept the hawks in the game by going for 30 points against an all-star olympian who was talking trash to Marvin all night on the floor. But marvin just when about his business as a professional; even though the hawks lost by 1 (110-109)they are not even in that game without his scoring and defense, because our supposedly All-Star did not show up, Marvin sitll has a lot of upside.
Snickers
July 13th, 2009
12:27 pm
Sekou is vastly overrating Marvin Williams game. I could not care any less about someones height and if thats the first thing you mention when talking about someones game, that is a problem. I would rather see Joe Johnson move to small forward and put Crawford and Bibby starting in the backcourt. I think that would make the team more dangerous offensively.
Marvin isnt even that fast or athletic and he seems to be injury prone, and I dont even agree about his temperament as he is too passive most of the time.
EJH
July 13th, 2009
12:28 pm
By the way when has our All-Star gone for 30 against a premier All-Star Olympian at the teams opposing position opponent (Kobe Bryant).
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:28 pm
The Proof is in the footage
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
12:30 pm
Reggie,
Divide 126 by 4 and tell me if I am crazy. A guy who us 6″9 with a 7 foot wingspan with 31 blocks a year. Compare that to Rudy Gay who averages about 70 blocks a year, Tayshaun Prince who is at about 50 per year, Gerald Wallace 80 per year, Melo (No defense) 33 a year, Durant 64 per year, Battier 77 per year, Travis Outlaw 56 per year…………
I am not insane, just look a the game a little differntly that most of you. 6′9 with a 7 foot wingspan, should result in many more blocks.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:32 pm
Apparently the AJC doesn’t like the very long diatribe that I had in store for you. After trying to post it multiple times, I think it’s time to call it quits….so forget it.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
12:33 pm
Snickers,
I agree.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:33 pm
I was talking to Rod btw…
MJ3
July 13th, 2009
12:33 pm
try it paragraph by paragraph ariose that’s what you have to do sometimes
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:39 pm
MJ3, I tried lol. Something about my wording is not agreeing with the system. It doesn’t matter. We’ve all been down this road before with Rod. It’s nothing new.
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
12:42 pm
EJH, Kobe didn’t get out of the TEENS against Joe this season either. Joe’s no slouch on defense. Especially when our winning SPECIFICALLY depends on him shutting down a player at his position.
Yupperz
July 13th, 2009
1:07 pm
The problem is that we need marvin to play perimeter D because jj doesn’t have the energy to run full-steam for 40 minutes on both ends, which is what he’s assked to do if he’s assigned to guard the other team’s best player on the perimeter. Marvin was the Hawks best perimeter defender last year before he got hurt, He usually held wheover he was guarding to their average or below, and made it so josh didn’t have to play help D so much.
People mentioned the game against Melo but there was also that game agauinst Clevland where he played awesome D on LeBron when he was on the floor and then LeBron TORCHED the hawks when Marvin went to the bench for a few minutes. And when we played Cleveland in the second round and Marvin was hurt and jj had to guard LeBron, it was awful because JJ didn’t have the energy to guard LeBron AND get buckets while he had the bad ankle. Anyway we need Marvin back or else we’re screwed.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
1:17 pm
Rod,
You said this to me: “While your facts do make sense the key is I said:
“I don’t think I have ever seen him block a shot in 3 years.”
That statement does not make it a fact, it is what I have seen.”
OK, fine. Good try, but you’ve missed MY point, which was that if you watched the Hawks as much as you SAID, you CERTAINLY would have seen at least ONE out of 39 blocks in 61 games. LOL!
How could you have missed all 39 blocks and yet claim you watched the games?
I really thought you were a more astute and discerning basketball watcher than to miss all those blocks. Guess I was wrong.
It’s hyperbole again, Rod. Just like when you said Marvin fell 60% of the time he drove. For some reason you think making these wild-as$ed statements will convince someone of your point.
You weaken your own argument when you try to stretch what is credible.
And it’s not credible that you could have NEVER seen Marvin block a shot in 3 years, UNLESS you just really don’t watch very often.
Traceman
July 13th, 2009
1:43 pm
Many of you guys are funny with your criticisms of Marvin. All he has done is listen to his coach, get better every year and play his role without complaints. I wish everyone on the team would take that approach.
“When was the last time you saw Marvin finish a play wih an ‘and 1.’” Marvin had 19 “and 1’s” last year in 61 games. JJ had 22 in 79 games. Ron Artest had 17 in 69 games. Stephen Jackson had 14 in 59 games. Jason Richardson had 20 in 72 games. Kirilenko had 18 in 67 games. Heck Garnett only had 16 in 57 games. Marvin can improve his ability to finish but he is not nearly as bad as many would have you believe.
“I haven’t seen Marvin block a shot in 3 years.” He has blocked 102 shots in the last 3 years from the SF position and he improved his shotblocking this year to .6 bpg. I could be wrong but I strongly suspect that .6 bg for a SF is above the league average. Heck, many here are clamoring for Chris Wilcox who has only had .6 bpg once in his CAREEER as a PF/C.
“I would rather see Joe Johnson move to small forward and put Crawford and Bibby starting in the backcourt. I think that would make the team more dangerous offensively.” Sure it would. It would also make us the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. JJ would be fine defending the 3 but bibby and Crawford are two of the worst defenders in the NBA at the PG and SG positions respectively. They can (and should) play together in spurts but starting them together would be a HUGe mistake in my opinion.
Tommy
July 13th, 2009
1:47 pm
Anyone who says Marvin doesnt play defense is an idiot. He played really solid defense against the top scorer on the other team several times last year.
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
1:47 pm
Co-sign Traceman.
And Ariose – time’s getting short, man. Maybe we need to up our shoes-and-shine offer to Chill
cp
July 13th, 2009
1:49 pm
I think most of the people who don’t like Marvin still cant get over not taking CP3. Marvin is a good player. He looks a lot better than he did his first two years. He is probably our most efficient scorer. He puts up 14 points on like 10 shots a game. He could easily average around 18 or 19 if he was involved more in the offense. He is also a good perimeter defender. Childress is not as good as Marvin. Put Marvin on a team where he gets more touches and we would be saying how we let another player get away…….Yea its time to get over Mario and get a guy like Gerald Green in here. I would take Gardner over Mario…Sign Wilcox and call it a day.
Sautee
July 13th, 2009
1:49 pm
Trace,
good info
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
2:03 pm
O’brien
“He is not a top 5 SF, and top 10 might be debatable, but could you really name 15 SF in the league who you believe are better than Marvin?”
Sure
Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace, Richard Jefferson, Artest, Battier, Lebron, Ariza, Josh Howard, Deng, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Outlaw, Rudy Gay, Al Thorton, Tayshaun Prince, Paul Pierce, Turk, Iggy, Granger………….. Is that 15 yet.
Nique
July 13th, 2009
2:05 pm
Sekou
Is there any talk of us bringing in Drew Gooden? He’d give us a scoring & rebounding threat of the bench unlike anything we’ve had at the PF. & also, I like the Wilcox & Theo chatter on here, (I’d also like to see Lamar Odom considered as well)but is there any of this same buzz going on in the front office?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
2:06 pm
Nire, I think you’re right!!! ROFL hehehe!!!
Kevin M
July 13th, 2009
2:06 pm
Lots of personal agendas here……….
Here are the facts that remain true:
The Hawks core has gotten better every year, whether we like Woody as coach or not. As far as I know, he hasn’t signed an extension past this year. So, he will be here this year.
Marvin, Smoove, Horford are all improving on their game. They have some overlapping similarities, but they make up a good frontline. Better than Miami, Cleveland, or Detroit. Boston, that’s a different level right now.
Our backcourt has improved over the offseason. Our frontcourt still needs another ‘contributing’ body for 10-15 min. We need depth to be able to avoid ‘injury’ letdowns.
We are getting there. People can be realistic to expect this team coming in currently configured to push towards 50 wins. I would not have said that 2 years ago.
You can’t mess with the success. While we can pan for better things, we are currently handling the cap numbers very well, and we are getting guys signed to commitments that aren’t hurting us.
The 2 key areas this year; Smoove’s overall game and Crawford’s contribution. JCraw has to improve on Flip’s numbers if we are going to be a threat this year.
Ken Strickland
July 13th, 2009
2:07 pm
ROD FROM COLLEGE PARK-the period you claim to have noticed Woodson losing confidence if Marvin is the period in which he was injured. Also, how do you explain Woodson starting Marvin immediately upon his return, even though he wasn’t fully recovered from his injuries? Marvin is the 4th scoring option on our team, yet you’re making an issue of him supposedly not being in the top 15 among SF’s. Well, why don’t you make an issue of PG MBibby’s or PF JSmith’s rankings within their respective positions? It’s plainly obvious to everyone but you that Woodson, Sund and the SAASG don’t share your assessment of Marvin’s abilities or value to the team.
AND JUST TO SHOW HOW MISGUIDED YOU ARE IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF MARVIN, YOUR ISSUES WITH HIS ABILITIES AND YOUR MISGUIDED STATEMENT CONCERNING HIM NOT BEING A TOP 15 SF, I’LL GIVE YOU MARVIN’S STATISTICAL RANKINGS AMONG SF’S.
PPG-13.9(15th), RPG-6.3(4th), APG-1.3(tied for 18th), BPG-.64(3rd), FG%-.458(7TH). These stats squarely places him well within the NBA’s top 15 SF’s, and that ain’t bad at all for a SF that’s the 4th option on his team.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
2:10 pm
“Many of you guys are funny with your criticisms of Marvin. All he has done is listen to his coach, get better every year and play his role without complaints. I wish everyone on the team would take that approach.”
07-08 ATL 80 80 34.6 0.462 0.100 0.822 1.5 4.2 5.7 1.7 1.0 0.4 1.59 2.80 14.8
08-09 ATL 61 59 34.3 0.458 0.355 0.806 1.8 4.5 6.3 1.3 0.9 0.6 1.15 2.10 13.9
Please explain how his 08-09 number are better than his 07-08 numbers. I was never good in math, but help me to understand what you are looking at.
Obrien,
I forgot Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, and I like Jeff Green better than Marvin also. I think that’s 20 something. That’s why I would not pay him that kind of money.
MJ3
July 13th, 2009
2:13 pm
Rod you’re the one always pointing to stats as the reason marvin isn’t any good so how can you say battier, outlaw and ariza are ahead of him?
I counted 6 in that list better than marv – Lebron, durant, melo, pierce, iggy, and prince. The rest are up for debate. Remember that no one thought jj was one of the top 10 at his position back when he was the fourth option on Phenix