Still a work in progress
Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on what it's going to take to get it done.
HAWKSVILLE - The word spreading around the NBA summer league in Las Vegas is that Marvin Williams and the Hawks have agreed to terms on a new deal (so say our friends at hoopsworld.com).
That would be news to Williams.
“Somebody is lying to them,” Williams said via text message Sunday afternoon. “That’s not true.”
As reported here last week, the Hawks are working hard to get something done.
But it’s not done.
Not yet.
In defense of the folks at HOOPSWORLD, their headline (”Marvin Williams gets his deal”) reads much stronger than the actual text of their item, which clearly states that “sources” told them that the sides are “close” to a new deal.
It makes sense that they heard that. Everybody in this business has sources.
Still, when asked Sunday afternoon if the sides had a deal in place, Jim Tanner, who represents not only Williams but also Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress, responded via text, “NO.”
On the bright side, Williams did say that the injuries (back and wrist) that soured the end of his fourth season are healing fine and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.
And as I wrote in an entry last week, the situation for Williams looks like this: “Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.”
This isn’t high-level economics we’re talking about here people. It’s simply the art of negotiating. The team comes low, the representative for the player comes high and ultimately the sides make nice, after a whole lot of haggling over details, and decide to meet in the middle somewhere.
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Stirg d'Nahsif
July 13th, 2009
1:48 am
Grip; “Fess”
Marvin been limping since we signed him. For some reason, though, he straighten up when the ball is in the air. The kid can hop. I feel you, though. Flip him and give Chill a lucrative contract to get back. Teach J-Smoove how to shoot outside, so he can play three and four…and lets get big Siler in here. All we need is for him to grab double digits in rebounds, nightly, and block a few shots; he don’t even have to shoot. With Horford at his natural position, four, he’s capable of giving you twenty points a night. There you have it.
What’s up?
outlaw30079
July 13th, 2009
2:21 am
i dont see Siler getting double digits in blocks if he play he will be our 3 center at best (coach woodson dont play rookies) but i do see 6 rebounds and 6-8 points from your #3 center is solid
Horford 12 points – 12 rebounds – 2 blocks
Zaza 8 points – 8 rebounds – 5 fouls
Siler 6 points – 6 rebounds – 5 fouls – 1 block
Solo 8 ponts – 6 rebounds – 1 block
thats 34 points 32 rebounds 4 blocks and 20 fouls if we can get this from our center spot we will be solid
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
2:23 am
….well if Rick is just Going to let flip walk, he should at least sign Gerald Green…
LeBron doesn’t deserve to be in this commercial. Besides he’s practically maried. Shoulda Been me!!!!!!
Typical Retarded Hawks Fan
July 13th, 2009
2:40 am
Sekou, since the Cavs may lose LeBron next year, how about we compensate them this year?
Mo Evans + Randolph Morris for LeBron?
Or since Bibby will only be here 3 more years, why not trade those 2 players for Devin Harris?
outlaw30079
July 13th, 2009
2:49 am
i would luv gerald green way more up side than west
Jason
July 13th, 2009
2:50 am
Nice — a new blog 4 days after the previous one with no new articles or any news of our players.
“and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.”
Good to hear our RFA #2 overall pick is working out — never could’ve imagined that one.
Nice also that half this blog is from the one 2 blogs ago
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
3:15 am
WOW what perfect commentary by the boys over at slam lol!
http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2009/04/slamadaday-flip-murray-on-lou-williams/
Mike
July 13th, 2009
5:33 am
Sekou, I think you are right to point to the Charlie V deal as a guide for Marvin, but don’t you think his agent will also point to the Bargnani deal (5 years, $50 mill)? I would take Marvin over either of those guys in a heartbeat — if nothing else, he’s a very good defender while they are both poor defenders — but in this market $10 mill a year seems to be too much. The Bargnani deal has received very little press, but it does make me worry that Marvin will insist on at least as much.
NCBravesFan
July 13th, 2009
5:46 am
Sekou: hearing anything about JChills, since the deadline is Wednesday for him to decide?
The Real Fan
July 13th, 2009
6:17 am
Unless we sign a veteran big we have moved back in the East.
Wabe
July 13th, 2009
6:22 am
Don’t think Chills will make up his mind till Wednesday..
And why do i have a funny feeling he’ll be returning to Greece?
Don’t think Sund will get anything finalized or done until he knows whats going on w/Chills.
And Mike, be careful, calling MARVIN a good defender in here will get a few people riled up and going off, won’t mention no names…
Give it a day or so,
they’re coming for you man…
realistic
July 13th, 2009
6:46 am
Marvin Williams has a questionable back, and I was thinking that the first year I examined him in a Hawks uniform. He must have had bad posture as a child. I would let someone else over pay for his services.
"Snapper" Jones
July 13th, 2009
6:58 am
How old is that boy? He walks like an old, old man.
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
7:02 am
Waiting on Childress…
Not worried about Marvin…
And not paying attention to Clyde…
The Truth
July 13th, 2009
7:13 am
What is Teague doing these days?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
7:27 am
Probably busy gaining 20lbs and getting comfortable shooting the NBA three.
Roberto
July 13th, 2009
7:28 am
Regards from Spain,
just writing in order to inform you that Kenny Grant (David Andersen`s representative) has commented that they have rejected the proposal made from Hawks in order to join Andersen to the team, as the quantities offered were really low.
I will update you with more news
Sekou Smith
July 13th, 2009
7:50 am
We’ll know more on Childress in the next 48 hours. I haven’t heard anything in the past 48 hours that leads me to believe a good sign-and-trade deal is forthcoming. So whatever goes down along those lines would have to get stirred up now, with the deadline looming. The fact is, Childress has the option of returning to Greece, which gives him a lucrative out if nothing to his liking is cooked up in the NBA.
BAnger offered up this list of bigs still out there: Mikki Moore, Boston Celtics
Johan Petro, Denver Nuggets
Rasho Nesterovic, Indiana Pacers
Jason Collins, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Wilcox, New York Knickerbockers
Theo Ratliff, Philadelphia 76ers
Calvin Booth, Sacramento Kings
Jake Voskuhl, Toronto Raptors
Jarron Collins, Utah Jazz
Say the Hawks snatch one of those guys and bring back restricted FA solomon Jones, is that enough to work with on the frontline? I don’t know. I think the Hawks are best served by keeping a couple roster spots open this season so they can be flexible come the trade deadline (if it’s clear that they are still lacking in the frontcourt).
Presser today for both Bibby and Zaza at 3 p.m. More updates later.
terrell barron
July 13th, 2009
8:11 am
Steve, I agree with everything you said about Marvin, except the part about “making tough layups”. When was the last time you saw Marvin finish off a play with an “and 1″? Seriously. He usually falls down, or has the ball knocked out of his hands. Either that, or he just throws up a prayer, hoping to get the call. I like him. Just sayin.
terrell barron
July 13th, 2009
8:14 am
Johan Petro? Wow! Is he still in the League? Whoever drafted him, should definitely be out of the League. lol!
RedTailHawk
July 13th, 2009
8:15 am
This is all very interesting but I can’t get over the feeling that no matter what the Hawks do, they will finish no better than 4th again and get trashed in the first round.
Why? Woody will still be the coach. I think the Hawks improvement has been due to the simple fact that the young players have gained experience and are developing their natural potential without a great deal of coaching help.
This will be Woodys lame duck year and he will do everything he can to win in the short run. If that means playing his starters to death, not developing Teague and Iso Joe again; so be it.
I hope that I am wrong but I don’t think so. Looking forward to NEXT year.
Jfreak
July 13th, 2009
8:21 am
In my opinion if the Hawks sign Marvin he should start over Smith. At least until Smith can prove some maturity in his game. Marvin is solid at just about everything and provides the Hawks with scoring and defense. Smith does one thing Great and everything else average or poor. Things like free throws and those silly long jump shots! At this point Marvin is the better of the two players! In my opinion??
Mike
July 13th, 2009
8:37 am
I think a lot of you guys are too hard on Marvin. He is a very good defender now, and that part of his game has really developed the last couple of years. He especially seems to relish the challenge of taking on guys like Lebron, and he does as well as you could expect someone to do on him. As for finishing at the rim, terrell barron, I think your description was accurate about Marvin when he first came into the league, but he is much stronger now and does often finish after contact. When he gets it into his head to go to the hole repeatedly he can get a whole team into foul trouble. It seems like too many people got their idea of Marvin set in his first year or two, and they mostly focused on his flaws because of the Chris Paul thing. But he has come a long way.
ATLJBO
July 13th, 2009
9:27 am
David Andersen has rejected the Hawks’ latest offer
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/20090713/53743102434/noticia/andersen-no-a-atlanta.html
HGN
July 13th, 2009
9:28 am
I think the Hawks could use another big man. Al Horford is a 4 playing out of position at the 5. Thus we have no one on the floor taller than a ‘listed’ 6′10″. In order to effectively compete with the many good and taller front lines in The Eastern Conference ( Cleveland; Orlando; Boston ) we will need more height….As for Marvin , re-sign him. There is no one better available out there right now. Also, lets bring back Chills. He provides reliable backup, depth, defense and versatility. Therefore, in order to compete for a Championship the Hawks need to do 3 things. 1)Re-sign Marvin; 2)Bring in another big man; and 3) Re-sign Childress.
Dan
July 13th, 2009
9:32 am
Chris Wilcox athletic Center get it done …..call it a day !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANcTB21mVA
Anakin Joe
July 13th, 2009
9:44 am
Sekou, as a professional writer, I trust that you intentionally used the word “healing” as opposed to “healed”. I don’t recall when the Cavs series ended, but I’m guessing that it has been a good 7-8 weeks and Marvin is still not healed. I think that is significant. Not only does that speak to how banged up he was when he was trying to give us something in the post-season, but also suggests that Sund needs to be cautious as he negotiates this contract. Again, I vote for a 3-year deal in the interest of all involved. Maybe the same contract Kidd signed, 3/$25M.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
9:58 am
Sekou,
Have to disagree with you. Marvin’s length means nothing because he plays small. I don’t think I have ever seen him block a shot in 3 years. Chills can rebound just as good as Marvin can. Chills is better defensively. He is more versatile. He finishes better, has better handles. The only thing Marvin does better is shoot, and he is not a big threat doing that. I would resign him for around 4 or 5 million per, but nothing over that.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:01 am
I hope Marvin gets his deal done soon…….. The way he’s improved every year im confident he will be a major peice in this team going to the next level.
AC Law…. I knew GS would’nt be a good fit for that yungn, The man has no jumper at all and he play’s timid. Anthony morrow the former GTech baller is alot better IMO… He will soon be in Nellies dog house because he wont produce when given time. By mid season Ac will be baking brownies and gathering warm ups for the rest of the team.
Flip…Dam it, I knew we couldnt sign him back- I really wanted him back on this team. Congratulations to him tho- signing a multi year deal he deserves it and plays hard when called on-Im gonna miss his -I dont give a F…k/street ball mentality… I just hope he doesnt go to any of the teams in our division-MIA,CHA,ORL
Sean Williams!!!-…………Clyde is at it again..YAWN
I would trade Chills rights for him tho LOL
The only player on NJ team I would deal horford for is B Lopez and they would have to throw in a pick as well……..
I agree with ? Smoove has got to make better decisions and reign in his shot selection. I dont care what type god given ability u have, If u dont use that tool between your ears you’ll be average at best- I look for roughly the same numbers this year -Not becuz I dont think he can improve but -our backcourt will eat 50% af the shots -throw Crawford in there and its more like 65%………
Anakin Joe
July 13th, 2009
10:03 am
Sekou, why don’t you give Woody the phone number for Terry Mills. Just read where he wants to get into coaching. Dude was a nice offensive player back in his day. Maybe he could fly down and spend a month with our bigs as a “consultant”. I’m guessing that Mills can teach our bigs more offense in a month than Tyrone Hill could teach them in 2 years.
You know, its funny that Josh is working with Steve Smith and Horford is working with Mark Price. In a gurad-heavy offense, learn from former guards (I guess)? Maybe Marvin will get some pointers from cats like Vince Carter, Stakehouse and other ex-Tar Heel players.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:04 am
Plus the fact that the guy is still walking around with a back brace, should be a real concern. He is injury prone, and will probably stay injured because of how clumsy he is. Please save this post and remember it in a year or two. Don’t say I did not tell you so.
Steve,
“Marvin is arguably the most talented player on the team.”
Come on dude, are you serious. You sound like Niremetal with that stupid statement.
Chris M
July 13th, 2009
10:09 am
I agree that Woody is fighting for his job and will not be willing to play his younger players. But the neat thing is that it won’t matter…. Sund will get rid of Woody when he can convince ownership that we could do much better without him. Sund seems to be pretty smart!! I am not to sure about the ownership group!
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
10:09 am
Remind me Rod, how many free throws do you get for drawing a charge? And how many games of D1 ball did you play?
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:12 am
Big men…… Give me Hollins/Wilcox or Nesterovich and G Siler if he plays well at veterans camp. Dump Solo and R.Morris
Is there any way we could get Jamario Moon for Chills rights or for Mo evans in a trade.
Nesterovic and Moon would be good additions -sign Marv and we’re ready for battle……
Does anybody know where Flip might be going
Kevin M
July 13th, 2009
10:14 am
Marvin isn’t going for a 3 year deal. He is looking to cash in now on his first big contract. He gets a decent raise (I predicted somewhere between 9/10M) and he comes back once his back if fully healed.
Truly, he is our best defender at the present for LeBron and we need his size on the front line.
Marvin isn’t going to start over Smith, jFreak. He is going to start with him. Marvin will not be a PF for this team. If anyone, it will be Horford, but Smoove would have to be traded.
We will see the same starting 5 next year, with more depth. I don’t see either Chills or Flip coming back this year to sit on the bench and wait their turn. Chills cannot provide what Marvin does, and we now have JJ, Bibby, JCraw and Teague. If anyone should get a slot after last year, it is Flip.
Whether he likes to pass or not doesn’t matter. He takes good shots and is very confident. IMO, I take his shot selection over Bibby.
Now whether we improve or not depends on how we play against Cleveland.
I have confidence in this team versus any team other than the Cavs.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:20 am
agreed -Y is Mario stiil here when gerald green a player with skill and size is out there for the cheap….. Mario’s my dude -talk to him from time to time but im about bettering our team……Maybe he really is woddys pet Attack dawg…
darrell starks
July 13th, 2009
10:21 am
What if!!!!!!!!!!!!
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD,
BENCH FLIP, JAMAL, CHILL, WILCOX, ZAZA,
RESERVE TEAGUE, SOLO
THE DEEPEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
10:22 am
“I’m guessing that Mills can teach our bigs more offense in a month than Tyrone Hill could teach them in 2 years.”
Best post of the day so far…
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
10:23 am
I MUS,
I worry that Siler is RandMo II. Could be wrong. I figure he’ll get a camp invite.
Melvin
July 13th, 2009
10:27 am
Sekou,
I like your idea to leave a roster spot open. B/c I think if Ben Wallace doesn’t get traded then PHX will buy him of his contract. Then the Hawks can sign him for the cheap….
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:34 am
Nireclown,
4 years of D-1. Did not take the time to add the games dummy. Have you ever played? Boys club? Little league?, Middle school, high school, intramurals? Oh, I forgot you told me you never played. Wow, I will really listen to what you have to say.
“I would be willing to lay 4:1 odds that Josh will never be the leading scorer on a playoff time.” Nire
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
10:35 am
Rod, I was wondering what took you so long to respond. I figured you would be the first one to disagreew with SS on this one.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:39 am
fudd21,
You know I had to get in on this one. Would have been first, but I had to let the clown (Nire) get his rocks off. I’m surprised he did not type in “First”.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:39 am
Yeah Ray I think he is coming to camp- R Morris is allergic to contact -I think Siler will smash sum people -thats an upgrade already
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
10:42 am
Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong person, but the Terry Mills I remember was a 6′10 240 PF who would rather camp out on the perimeter and hoist 20 foot jumpers than be down in the post abusing people. If that’s the case I don’t want him working with smoove.
someonehastosayit
July 13th, 2009
10:42 am
rod,
i seriously doubt you played (probably rode the bench) d-1 ball because of your lack of being able to recongnize game. there’s much more to basketball than dunking and blocking shots
Wabe
July 13th, 2009
10:44 am
Well someone mentioned Marvin,
and Rod is here.
Priceless.
Gotta love the consistency.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:45 am
Rod on the last blog Nirmental said he was a banger with post moves and hustle….. Thats cool if you’re playing park pick up games with teen agers,but gettn after it with grown men or DI DII players is a whole other animal.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:49 am
someonehastosayit
OK
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