Still a work in progress
Marvin Williams doesn't have a new deal yet, but it should be a slam dunk with both sides clear on what it's going to take to get it done.
HAWKSVILLE - The word spreading around the NBA summer league in Las Vegas is that Marvin Williams and the Hawks have agreed to terms on a new deal (so say our friends at hoopsworld.com).
That would be news to Williams.
“Somebody is lying to them,” Williams said via text message Sunday afternoon. “That’s not true.”
As reported here last week, the Hawks are working hard to get something done.
But it’s not done.
Not yet.
In defense of the folks at HOOPSWORLD, their headline (”Marvin Williams gets his deal”) reads much stronger than the actual text of their item, which clearly states that “sources” told them that the sides are “close” to a new deal.
It makes sense that they heard that. Everybody in this business has sources.
Still, when asked Sunday afternoon if the sides had a deal in place, Jim Tanner, who represents not only Williams but also Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress, responded via text, “NO.”
On the bright side, Williams did say that the injuries (back and wrist) that soured the end of his fourth season are healing fine and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.
And as I wrote in an entry last week, the situation for Williams looks like this: “Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.”
This isn’t high-level economics we’re talking about here people. It’s simply the art of negotiating. The team comes low, the representative for the player comes high and ultimately the sides make nice, after a whole lot of haggling over details, and decide to meet in the middle somewhere.
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niremetal
July 12th, 2009
8:08 pm
Oh noes! Sekou thinks that Marvin is valuable to the Hawks! Rod’s head will explode!!!
niremetal
July 12th, 2009
8:09 pm
Oh, and co-sign Sekou
Najeh Davenpoop
July 12th, 2009
8:17 pm
From hoopsworld:
“Williams’ camp would like to see something in the $40 million range, and the Hawks’ initial offer was reportedly around $37.5, meaning the two sides were never really all that far off and something should be done soon.”
Over how many years is that? Please tell me 5 or more… Marvin is a valuable player, but if he’s going to average close to eight figures a year, that is way, way too much.
howie
July 12th, 2009
8:20 pm
Sekou-
Mark Bradley has added alot to your Hawks coverage but I am with you on this one….get Williams signed and see if we can bring Childress back and the Hawks are ready to go for the season.
niremetal
July 12th, 2009
8:25 pm
Yup, Bradley has added a lot to Hawks coverage. We really needed someone to write columns without ever watching a regular season game…
BrittishAnger
July 12th, 2009
8:26 pm
1,2,3,4, FIFTH!!!
jg
July 12th, 2009
8:27 pm
totally agree sekou. i’ve said it before marvin was playing very well for this team before his injuries. in fact, i thought he was the most consistent player on the team for a few months. with marvin you really know what your going to get. he’s not very flashy–but he can shoot the ball very good. mid-range and now long range. he can and will now drive it to the basket. he’s a very good free throw shooter too and i think his defense is above average if not better. i love this hawk team–get marvin’s deal done and this team will win a lot of games. add another big man and it could get real interesting around these parts.
people need to realize that’s it not all about fantasy stats when looking at the nba. marvin provides so much for this team right now–the playoffs this year was not the true marvin williams. he showed all year he was worthy of an extension and when he’s playing this squad can play with anyone. after the injury–you could tell that he still wasn’t healthy.
we need to really concentrate more on being a running team next year. get these guys on the move and don’t rely on our half court offense so much–that’s when the hawks get bogged down. run it as much as possible–then if that’s taken away–shoot it like we know we can with jj, marvin, bibby, crawford, evans and hopefully teague. woody please don’t hold these guys back anymore…turn them loose we know what they can do with you chaining them up. unlock the chains and let’em go.
Atypikal Ent.
July 12th, 2009
8:33 pm
Marvin is the best of what is left, not to mention that keeping this team together as best as possible will help the advancement.
Now we just need to scoop up another big somewhere for some rebounds..
Im also going to hate to see Flip leave, but I guess it has to happen with Crawford & Teague in the picture. Murray is a solid talent that has been shipped around way too much- best of luck to him.
BrittishAnger
July 12th, 2009
8:34 pm
Damn, missed it by milliseconds….
There isn’t much option to go any other way, Josh Smith proved too much of a liability from anything outside 15 ft. to shift him up and move Al back to his natural PF position, where as Marvin provided what I refer to as the “Tayshaun Presence” from that spot, putting numbers in places where we proved weak (3P% and garbage rebounds in particular). If the numbers are right, and the difference is a few paltry million, tweak the numbers up to about 60% of what the difference between the figures is, and both sides should be pacified enough to move forward and finish the last step of the summer, which is shoring up the ol’ front court.
Hey Sekou, you managed to get a comment from Randolph Morris about the age restriction, maybe you could ask him what his off-season has been like, what he thinks of the moves being made, and what he’s personally working on this summer to improve his game and increase his minutes off the bench? I’d be happy if you did…I wouldn’t be discouraged if you didn’t….
Steve
July 12th, 2009
8:40 pm
Marvin is arguably the most talented player on the team. He’s pretty much the only guy on the team who doesn’t do anything spectacularly, but does everything very well…that’s why he goes so unnoticed. It’s important for the Hawks to bring him back long term, because like Sekou said, they won’t find anybody else in free agency that can bring what he brings to this team: a nice sized post presence that can play great defense, protect the basketball, shoot mid-range and long-range, drive to the hoop and make tough layups. He’s still very young and will continue to just get better like he has every year.
ILL-logical
July 12th, 2009
8:55 pm
Semi -good news. Marvin is a player who I believe will more valuable comonig off the bench this season,especially when a staring 5 is found. He can provide some needed scoring punch at a variety of postions(2-4)as the game dictates. He is most definitely a team first kind of a guy and should help the cause in a long term deal.His biggest drawback is the inability to stay healthy and the possibility that the either the wrist /back is chronic.
ILL-logical
July 12th, 2009
8:56 pm
Semi -good news. Marvin is a player who I believe will more valuable coming off the bench this season,especially when a starting 5 is found. He can provide some needed scoring punch at a variety of postions(2-4)as the game dictates. He is most definitely a team first kind of a guy and should help the cause in a long term deal.His biggest drawback is the inability to stay healthy and the possibility that the either the wrist /back is chronic.
ldawg121
July 12th, 2009
9:03 pm
who are some big men available that the hawks might have a chance to land?
swatguy
July 12th, 2009
9:17 pm
Alright SS, I shall welcome Marvin back and sit aside my “move Joe to the 3″ idea. But tell me why Flip (as some say) is odd man out because of Teague? I understand his draft mandate, but he might not be “NBA caliber” from the jump. If he is better than Flip right now so be it. But We know what Flip gone do, evahtime. I say allow the young fellow to mellow while the grown folks handle the team.
Is there any noise about Kamen/Camby/Chandler being moved out there? I’ll sit back and listen.
jake
July 12th, 2009
9:17 pm
must keep marvin.
BrittishAnger
July 12th, 2009
9:33 pm
The list of unrestricted free agent centers (as juxed from ESPN.com) and the team they played with as of the end of last season. Reference link at bottom, which is actually being updated (Bibby and Zaza are off the listings for Atlanta as proof).
Mikki Moore, Boston Celtics
Johan Petro, Denver Nuggets
Rasho Nesterovic, Indiana Pacers
Jason Collins, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Wilcox, New York Knickerbockers
Theo Ratliff, Philadelphia 76ers
Calvin Booth, Sacramento Kings
Jake Voskuhl, Toronto Raptors
Jarron Collins, Utah Jazz
Consensus choice on the blog has been Wilcox since other choices have been snagged in the last week, but there’s everybody as of this date in the year of our Gord, 2009….
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=freeagents-09-10
Ernest
July 12th, 2009
9:34 pm
Glad to hear that Marvin is recuperating from last seasons injuries. I also agree that he ‘fits’ what we are attempting to accomplish here with the Hawks. When you factor in that he is only 23, it makes sense to sign him to a long term deal, thus keeping the core together.
Sekou, let me second what BritishAnger requested, how about a piece on RandMo? It is always interesting getting comments from the key players but how about those at the other end of the bench. I’m one of those that remembers him from his Atlanta Celtics days and wonder why he is having difficulty in making the transition to becoming a contributing player.
rainman
July 12th, 2009
9:37 pm
I couldn’t agree more Sekou — Marvin is the only starter-quality 3 that we have on the team. If we get him locked up for 5 years, the Hawks will have kept the nucleus of the team together and added a valueable piece to the guard rotation – not bad, when just a couple of weeks ago everything was up in the air. Can’t wait til Wed. to see what Chills and Anderson decide to do. I’m hoping Chills might be a bargaining chip in aquiring another big.
outlaw30079
July 12th, 2009
9:40 pm
People keep saying bring in these big name bigs they are not coming
1. they wont to go to a team that will win a title(no matter what u think we are not there yet)
2. they will be 3rd in line starter Horford — 1st off the the bench Zaza(u have to look at the money)
so i say either try bring Anderson over try sign Hollins or use some of that money go get Hakeem Olajuwon (the money u pay him will not count against the cap) to work with da bigs we have now between Solo, Morris, and Siler with his help one of them have got to be a solid player off the bench in the #rd spot 6 points 5 rebounds thats all u can try get from the 3rd person in line
ATLJBO
July 12th, 2009
9:41 pm
Will the hawks sign david andersen ?
DKRIB
July 12th, 2009
10:01 pm
Hey Sekou, did you “copy” my quote ..”curious case of Marvin Williams”? I wrote an article with the title on peachtreehoops!
nunna yo bizznezz
July 12th, 2009
10:05 pm
don’t get it twisted yall..
we still got othello..
should he start over marvin,heck naw..
but,we should sign marvin before he gets on da phone and talk with childress,and letting him tell marv that,”hey dog,its not bad over here,and they got brothers over here who can cut yo hair too”!!
we as black know how hard it is to go to a foreign country and not find hair care products or stylist that we need..
get him before j-chills gets to him..PLEASE!!
dap01
July 12th, 2009
10:08 pm
Sekou: I agree, Marvin fits with what is needed for this team. If he could continue to evolve into a well rounded player who can SHOOT (something that the Hawks need) then, the Hawks have a chance to keep growing.
Sekou: Could you touch on what RandMo and others are working on this summer?
RealSquawk
July 12th, 2009
10:10 pm
It worries me that he did not say he was completely healed. He might want to start eating some vitamins. Good to hear they are close to a deal number wise. That leaves anderson and childress. if we can’t convinve anderson to come here then we need to trade him for a big. and if non of that works out we need to have the same game plan for chillz. Even though in an ideal world I would much rather see us move Anderson for another big. And then bring chillz back even if it is only for 1 to 3 years.
Hoops
July 12th, 2009
10:11 pm
Assuming the Hawks re-sign Marvin and if West accepts his QO, the Hawks will have two positions to fill. Most people agree that they will be either a SF, PF, or C. This is a list that most people think the Hawks are looking at (in no particular order):
R. Hollins
S. Jones
D. Andersen
Siler
C. Wilcox
Gooden
L. Powe
J. Childress
What two players from that list do you think the Hawks will sign for the last two roster spots?
outlaw30079
July 12th, 2009
10:15 pm
Jones & Siler they not going 2 get all that much playing time y break the bank
Rex D
July 12th, 2009
10:16 pm
All of this is nice . . . But who is going to guard Shaq and Dwight Howard for us? . . . The Lakers had two seven footers to deal with Dwight . . . And because both had offensive game, they made him work on both ends of the floor . . .
Tommy
July 12th, 2009
10:19 pm
Any word on a potential big like Theo or Wilcox? Are the Hawks talking to anyone else?
The Truth
July 12th, 2009
10:29 pm
Sekou
Your comment:
“The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever.”
This is the main selling point as to why Marvin is so important to the team. As a SF, it is mainly his length along with his other skills such as rebounding and shooting.
This has been echoed by others in the past and may explan why BK picked him. His physical attribute is a standout
Nookah
July 12th, 2009
10:32 pm
Just an FYI – Siler in summer league vs. Rockets…….
Played 24.29mins – 6 pts; 7 Rbds; 1 block; 3 of 5 from the field; 4 fouls; 1 TO
Go Hawks!!!
darrell starks
July 12th, 2009
10:45 pm
There is lot of ways the hawks can go with this but first thing first is to sign marvin.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
July 12th, 2009
10:48 pm
What are the hawks going to do with chill we cant let him go for nothing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
July 12th, 2009
10:53 pm
1 more big trade for amar’e will put the hawks in the top 3 in the east like i say we have to keep josh and joe.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Keep It Real from Cleveland
July 12th, 2009
10:58 pm
Are you guys serious about M. Williams?
He is a role player and they play well with-out him! He does not play defense so what he has length, he does not use it!
Marvin is also injury prone!
Dump him and get Chris Wilcox put him in the post and let Al Hortford play power forward!
Keep It Real from ATL
July 12th, 2009
11:09 pm
Keep It Real From Cleveland, I have one name to say to you……..Jordon Crawford!!!
Stoned Mountain
July 12th, 2009
11:14 pm
you tell ‘em Cleveland.
bye Marvin
darrell starks
July 12th, 2009
11:17 pm
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, AMAR’E
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, MOE, WILCOX, ZAZA,
RESERVE WEST, SOLO
TOP 3 IN THE EAST
PAYROLL 76 MILL
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
BrittishAnger
July 12th, 2009
11:32 pm
Good stuff Nookah, was looking around for those stats and couldn’t find them….
niremetal
July 12th, 2009
11:43 pm
JOR-DAN CRAW-FORD (*bang, bang, bang-bang-bang*), JOR-DAN CRAW-FORD (*bang, bang, bang-bang-bang*)
KevinA
July 12th, 2009
11:52 pm
Chills/Marvin/Flip/ Gooden and Solo need at min a one year deal. If we are over the cap we can dump Crawford for a draft pick in a month and 1/2. get-er-done
KevinA
July 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
niremetal – your estimation of what a Jordan Crawford will cost. Dump West?
Nique
July 12th, 2009
11:54 pm
I’d love to see up pick up Gooden, Odom, or Wilcox at the PF & if R. Morris isn’t gonna play, cut him, let Solo walk & pick up Theo as well. Resign Marvin too. giving us a line up of PG.Bibby/Teague SG. JJ/Crawford SF Williams/Evens PF Smith/ Gooden, Odom, or Wilcox C Horford/Zaza/Theo. add our 2cnd round pick this year & Chill or whatever we get for him & that’s 1 hell of a squad!
Nique
July 13th, 2009
12:05 am
How about a Chill’s for Arron Afflalo trade, he’s said to be on the move & is a good defender with range because of his wingspand. I’d do a trade for him & Detroit’s 2cnd next year for Chills if he’s unwilling to sign with us, but wants to come back to the NBA.
chris o bomb
July 13th, 2009
12:05 am
yes… a intricate part of the team, but he out of four years i believe, he’s clearly an outside shooter like his days at unc. if another team really wants him, sign and trade maybe. otherwise, give him what he’s worth from the proven years. if he doesnt get anything in the market but needing more, give him a two year deal with options at about 3.5- 5.5 a year. he clearly cannot make more than j. chill or hasnt shown the great potential as j smooth. j smooth— make a better percentage on foul shots and less attempts at three’s and you’re a top 25 player in the league! just because(great court vision and a real threat on highlight passes too)
chris o bomb
July 13th, 2009
12:15 am
by the way… thwg. this is the south. until great things happen, it’s still hard on us with the front office… #21. with that said, i can see and hope we are moving forward with sund. and can you get these amateurs CLOWNS in hyping up the crowd, lets start to ACT MORE PROFESSIONAL. the falcons does not need it, and the braves stopped this season(thank goodness… because of payroll. haha)
chris o bomb
July 13th, 2009
12:25 am
wilkins forever! we as fans need to push something for him(at least turn one of those chick fil a cow’s in honor of him… geez. no mj but… ) at philips!!! j crawford and a little less paul(teague)! yes. thank you SUND!
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July 13th, 2009
12:31 am
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Grip
July 13th, 2009
12:47 am
How many injuries does it take to “give up” on a player??? Dude is 23 with back problems, and a host of other stuff, I promise you the most diehard hawk fan can not name half the injuries dude has had. Signing him back is not a good move. Seku, I will say I told you so on this one, I believe he has scolious too.
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
12:51 am
Grip,
Scoliosis? Think you’re getting Marvin mixed up with Tracy McGrady, dude.
outlaw30079
July 13th, 2009
1:41 am
U talking about Williams being hurt alot wow but everyone wont to bring in Amare Stoudemire he still not right
whats up with all the West luv do we realy need him i would take gardner over him????????
Stirg d'Nahsif
July 13th, 2009
1:48 am
Grip; “Fess”
Marvin been limping since we signed him. For some reason, though, he straighten up when the ball is in the air. The kid can hop. I feel you, though. Flip him and give Chill a lucrative contract to get back. Teach J-Smoove how to shoot outside, so he can play three and four…and lets get big Siler in here. All we need is for him to grab double digits in rebounds, nightly, and block a few shots; he don’t even have to shoot. With Horford at his natural position, four, he’s capable of giving you twenty points a night. There you have it.
What’s up?
outlaw30079
July 13th, 2009
2:21 am
i dont see Siler getting double digits in blocks if he play he will be our 3 center at best (coach woodson dont play rookies) but i do see 6 rebounds and 6-8 points from your #3 center is solid
Horford 12 points – 12 rebounds – 2 blocks
Zaza 8 points – 8 rebounds – 5 fouls
Siler 6 points – 6 rebounds – 5 fouls – 1 block
Solo 8 ponts – 6 rebounds – 1 block
thats 34 points 32 rebounds 4 blocks and 20 fouls if we can get this from our center spot we will be solid
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
2:23 am
….well if Rick is just Going to let flip walk, he should at least sign Gerald Green…
LeBron doesn’t deserve to be in this commercial. Besides he’s practically maried. Shoulda Been me!!!!!!
Typical Retarded Hawks Fan
July 13th, 2009
2:40 am
Sekou, since the Cavs may lose LeBron next year, how about we compensate them this year?
Mo Evans + Randolph Morris for LeBron?
Or since Bibby will only be here 3 more years, why not trade those 2 players for Devin Harris?
outlaw30079
July 13th, 2009
2:49 am
i would luv gerald green way more up side than west
Jason
July 13th, 2009
2:50 am
Nice — a new blog 4 days after the previous one with no new articles or any news of our players.
“and that he is lifting and doing court work these days in anticipation of another strong season.”
Good to hear our RFA #2 overall pick is working out — never could’ve imagined that one.
Nice also that half this blog is from the one 2 blogs ago
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
3:15 am
WOW what perfect commentary by the boys over at slam lol!
http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2009/04/slamadaday-flip-murray-on-lou-williams/
Mike
July 13th, 2009
5:33 am
Sekou, I think you are right to point to the Charlie V deal as a guide for Marvin, but don’t you think his agent will also point to the Bargnani deal (5 years, $50 mill)? I would take Marvin over either of those guys in a heartbeat — if nothing else, he’s a very good defender while they are both poor defenders — but in this market $10 mill a year seems to be too much. The Bargnani deal has received very little press, but it does make me worry that Marvin will insist on at least as much.
NCBravesFan
July 13th, 2009
5:46 am
Sekou: hearing anything about JChills, since the deadline is Wednesday for him to decide?
The Real Fan
July 13th, 2009
6:17 am
Unless we sign a veteran big we have moved back in the East.
Wabe
July 13th, 2009
6:22 am
Don’t think Chills will make up his mind till Wednesday..
And why do i have a funny feeling he’ll be returning to Greece?
Don’t think Sund will get anything finalized or done until he knows whats going on w/Chills.
And Mike, be careful, calling MARVIN a good defender in here will get a few people riled up and going off, won’t mention no names…
Give it a day or so,
they’re coming for you man…
realistic
July 13th, 2009
6:46 am
Marvin Williams has a questionable back, and I was thinking that the first year I examined him in a Hawks uniform. He must have had bad posture as a child. I would let someone else over pay for his services.
"Snapper" Jones
July 13th, 2009
6:58 am
How old is that boy? He walks like an old, old man.
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
7:02 am
Waiting on Childress…
Not worried about Marvin…
And not paying attention to Clyde…
The Truth
July 13th, 2009
7:13 am
What is Teague doing these days?
Ariose
July 13th, 2009
7:27 am
Probably busy gaining 20lbs and getting comfortable shooting the NBA three.
Roberto
July 13th, 2009
7:28 am
Regards from Spain,
just writing in order to inform you that Kenny Grant (David Andersen`s representative) has commented that they have rejected the proposal made from Hawks in order to join Andersen to the team, as the quantities offered were really low.
I will update you with more news
Sekou Smith
July 13th, 2009
7:50 am
We’ll know more on Childress in the next 48 hours. I haven’t heard anything in the past 48 hours that leads me to believe a good sign-and-trade deal is forthcoming. So whatever goes down along those lines would have to get stirred up now, with the deadline looming. The fact is, Childress has the option of returning to Greece, which gives him a lucrative out if nothing to his liking is cooked up in the NBA.
BAnger offered up this list of bigs still out there: Mikki Moore, Boston Celtics
Johan Petro, Denver Nuggets
Rasho Nesterovic, Indiana Pacers
Jason Collins, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Wilcox, New York Knickerbockers
Theo Ratliff, Philadelphia 76ers
Calvin Booth, Sacramento Kings
Jake Voskuhl, Toronto Raptors
Jarron Collins, Utah Jazz
Say the Hawks snatch one of those guys and bring back restricted FA solomon Jones, is that enough to work with on the frontline? I don’t know. I think the Hawks are best served by keeping a couple roster spots open this season so they can be flexible come the trade deadline (if it’s clear that they are still lacking in the frontcourt).
Presser today for both Bibby and Zaza at 3 p.m. More updates later.
terrell barron
July 13th, 2009
8:11 am
Steve, I agree with everything you said about Marvin, except the part about “making tough layups”. When was the last time you saw Marvin finish off a play with an “and 1″? Seriously. He usually falls down, or has the ball knocked out of his hands. Either that, or he just throws up a prayer, hoping to get the call. I like him. Just sayin.
terrell barron
July 13th, 2009
8:14 am
Johan Petro? Wow! Is he still in the League? Whoever drafted him, should definitely be out of the League. lol!
RedTailHawk
July 13th, 2009
8:15 am
This is all very interesting but I can’t get over the feeling that no matter what the Hawks do, they will finish no better than 4th again and get trashed in the first round.
Why? Woody will still be the coach. I think the Hawks improvement has been due to the simple fact that the young players have gained experience and are developing their natural potential without a great deal of coaching help.
This will be Woodys lame duck year and he will do everything he can to win in the short run. If that means playing his starters to death, not developing Teague and Iso Joe again; so be it.
I hope that I am wrong but I don’t think so. Looking forward to NEXT year.
Jfreak
July 13th, 2009
8:21 am
In my opinion if the Hawks sign Marvin he should start over Smith. At least until Smith can prove some maturity in his game. Marvin is solid at just about everything and provides the Hawks with scoring and defense. Smith does one thing Great and everything else average or poor. Things like free throws and those silly long jump shots! At this point Marvin is the better of the two players! In my opinion??
Mike
July 13th, 2009
8:37 am
I think a lot of you guys are too hard on Marvin. He is a very good defender now, and that part of his game has really developed the last couple of years. He especially seems to relish the challenge of taking on guys like Lebron, and he does as well as you could expect someone to do on him. As for finishing at the rim, terrell barron, I think your description was accurate about Marvin when he first came into the league, but he is much stronger now and does often finish after contact. When he gets it into his head to go to the hole repeatedly he can get a whole team into foul trouble. It seems like too many people got their idea of Marvin set in his first year or two, and they mostly focused on his flaws because of the Chris Paul thing. But he has come a long way.
ATLJBO
July 13th, 2009
9:27 am
David Andersen has rejected the Hawks’ latest offer
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/20090713/53743102434/noticia/andersen-no-a-atlanta.html
HGN
July 13th, 2009
9:28 am
I think the Hawks could use another big man. Al Horford is a 4 playing out of position at the 5. Thus we have no one on the floor taller than a ‘listed’ 6′10″. In order to effectively compete with the many good and taller front lines in The Eastern Conference ( Cleveland; Orlando; Boston ) we will need more height….As for Marvin , re-sign him. There is no one better available out there right now. Also, lets bring back Chills. He provides reliable backup, depth, defense and versatility. Therefore, in order to compete for a Championship the Hawks need to do 3 things. 1)Re-sign Marvin; 2)Bring in another big man; and 3) Re-sign Childress.
Dan
July 13th, 2009
9:32 am
Chris Wilcox athletic Center get it done …..call it a day !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANcTB21mVA
Anakin Joe
July 13th, 2009
9:44 am
Sekou, as a professional writer, I trust that you intentionally used the word “healing” as opposed to “healed”. I don’t recall when the Cavs series ended, but I’m guessing that it has been a good 7-8 weeks and Marvin is still not healed. I think that is significant. Not only does that speak to how banged up he was when he was trying to give us something in the post-season, but also suggests that Sund needs to be cautious as he negotiates this contract. Again, I vote for a 3-year deal in the interest of all involved. Maybe the same contract Kidd signed, 3/$25M.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
9:58 am
Sekou,
Have to disagree with you. Marvin’s length means nothing because he plays small. I don’t think I have ever seen him block a shot in 3 years. Chills can rebound just as good as Marvin can. Chills is better defensively. He is more versatile. He finishes better, has better handles. The only thing Marvin does better is shoot, and he is not a big threat doing that. I would resign him for around 4 or 5 million per, but nothing over that.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:01 am
I hope Marvin gets his deal done soon…….. The way he’s improved every year im confident he will be a major peice in this team going to the next level.
AC Law…. I knew GS would’nt be a good fit for that yungn, The man has no jumper at all and he play’s timid. Anthony morrow the former GTech baller is alot better IMO… He will soon be in Nellies dog house because he wont produce when given time. By mid season Ac will be baking brownies and gathering warm ups for the rest of the team.
Flip…Dam it, I knew we couldnt sign him back- I really wanted him back on this team. Congratulations to him tho- signing a multi year deal he deserves it and plays hard when called on-Im gonna miss his -I dont give a F…k/street ball mentality… I just hope he doesnt go to any of the teams in our division-MIA,CHA,ORL
Sean Williams!!!-…………Clyde is at it again..YAWN
I would trade Chills rights for him tho LOL
The only player on NJ team I would deal horford for is B Lopez and they would have to throw in a pick as well……..
I agree with ? Smoove has got to make better decisions and reign in his shot selection. I dont care what type god given ability u have, If u dont use that tool between your ears you’ll be average at best- I look for roughly the same numbers this year -Not becuz I dont think he can improve but -our backcourt will eat 50% af the shots -throw Crawford in there and its more like 65%………
Anakin Joe
July 13th, 2009
10:03 am
Sekou, why don’t you give Woody the phone number for Terry Mills. Just read where he wants to get into coaching. Dude was a nice offensive player back in his day. Maybe he could fly down and spend a month with our bigs as a “consultant”. I’m guessing that Mills can teach our bigs more offense in a month than Tyrone Hill could teach them in 2 years.
You know, its funny that Josh is working with Steve Smith and Horford is working with Mark Price. In a gurad-heavy offense, learn from former guards (I guess)? Maybe Marvin will get some pointers from cats like Vince Carter, Stakehouse and other ex-Tar Heel players.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:04 am
Plus the fact that the guy is still walking around with a back brace, should be a real concern. He is injury prone, and will probably stay injured because of how clumsy he is. Please save this post and remember it in a year or two. Don’t say I did not tell you so.
Steve,
“Marvin is arguably the most talented player on the team.”
Come on dude, are you serious. You sound like Niremetal with that stupid statement.
Chris M
July 13th, 2009
10:09 am
I agree that Woody is fighting for his job and will not be willing to play his younger players. But the neat thing is that it won’t matter…. Sund will get rid of Woody when he can convince ownership that we could do much better without him. Sund seems to be pretty smart!! I am not to sure about the ownership group!
niremetal
July 13th, 2009
10:09 am
Remind me Rod, how many free throws do you get for drawing a charge? And how many games of D1 ball did you play?
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:12 am
Big men…… Give me Hollins/Wilcox or Nesterovich and G Siler if he plays well at veterans camp. Dump Solo and R.Morris
Is there any way we could get Jamario Moon for Chills rights or for Mo evans in a trade.
Nesterovic and Moon would be good additions -sign Marv and we’re ready for battle……
Does anybody know where Flip might be going
Kevin M
July 13th, 2009
10:14 am
Marvin isn’t going for a 3 year deal. He is looking to cash in now on his first big contract. He gets a decent raise (I predicted somewhere between 9/10M) and he comes back once his back if fully healed.
Truly, he is our best defender at the present for LeBron and we need his size on the front line.
Marvin isn’t going to start over Smith, jFreak. He is going to start with him. Marvin will not be a PF for this team. If anyone, it will be Horford, but Smoove would have to be traded.
We will see the same starting 5 next year, with more depth. I don’t see either Chills or Flip coming back this year to sit on the bench and wait their turn. Chills cannot provide what Marvin does, and we now have JJ, Bibby, JCraw and Teague. If anyone should get a slot after last year, it is Flip.
Whether he likes to pass or not doesn’t matter. He takes good shots and is very confident. IMO, I take his shot selection over Bibby.
Now whether we improve or not depends on how we play against Cleveland.
I have confidence in this team versus any team other than the Cavs.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:20 am
agreed -Y is Mario stiil here when gerald green a player with skill and size is out there for the cheap….. Mario’s my dude -talk to him from time to time but im about bettering our team……Maybe he really is woddys pet Attack dawg…
darrell starks
July 13th, 2009
10:21 am
What if!!!!!!!!!!!!
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD,
BENCH FLIP, JAMAL, CHILL, WILCOX, ZAZA,
RESERVE TEAGUE, SOLO
THE DEEPEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
10:22 am
“I’m guessing that Mills can teach our bigs more offense in a month than Tyrone Hill could teach them in 2 years.”
Best post of the day so far…
Big Ray
July 13th, 2009
10:23 am
I MUS,
I worry that Siler is RandMo II. Could be wrong. I figure he’ll get a camp invite.
Melvin
July 13th, 2009
10:27 am
Sekou,
I like your idea to leave a roster spot open. B/c I think if Ben Wallace doesn’t get traded then PHX will buy him of his contract. Then the Hawks can sign him for the cheap….
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:34 am
Nireclown,
4 years of D-1. Did not take the time to add the games dummy. Have you ever played? Boys club? Little league?, Middle school, high school, intramurals? Oh, I forgot you told me you never played. Wow, I will really listen to what you have to say.
“I would be willing to lay 4:1 odds that Josh will never be the leading scorer on a playoff time.” Nire
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
10:35 am
Rod, I was wondering what took you so long to respond. I figured you would be the first one to disagreew with SS on this one.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:39 am
fudd21,
You know I had to get in on this one. Would have been first, but I had to let the clown (Nire) get his rocks off. I’m surprised he did not type in “First”.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:39 am
Yeah Ray I think he is coming to camp- R Morris is allergic to contact -I think Siler will smash sum people -thats an upgrade already
fudd21
July 13th, 2009
10:42 am
Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong person, but the Terry Mills I remember was a 6′10 240 PF who would rather camp out on the perimeter and hoist 20 foot jumpers than be down in the post abusing people. If that’s the case I don’t want him working with smoove.
someonehastosayit
July 13th, 2009
10:42 am
rod,
i seriously doubt you played (probably rode the bench) d-1 ball because of your lack of being able to recongnize game. there’s much more to basketball than dunking and blocking shots
Wabe
July 13th, 2009
10:44 am
Well someone mentioned Marvin,
and Rod is here.
Priceless.
Gotta love the consistency.
I MUS WRITE-
July 13th, 2009
10:45 am
Rod on the last blog Nirmental said he was a banger with post moves and hustle….. Thats cool if you’re playing park pick up games with teen agers,but gettn after it with grown men or DI DII players is a whole other animal.
Rod from College Park
July 13th, 2009
10:49 am
someonehastosayit
OK
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