Super Tuesday
The Hawks are the midst of trying to negotiate deals for both Marvin Williams (left) and Zaza Pachulia (center), two key free agents needed to help the Hawks keep pace in the constantly improving (and I mean by the day) Eastern Conference.
HAWKSVILLE - NBA free agents can put pen to paper Wednesday, consummating deals that have been in the works for days (and perhaps even longer for some).
The heavy lifting for the Hawks, however, comes a day early.
Hawks general manager Rick Sund is on his way to Washington D.C., where he will sit down with the representatives for three of the Hawks’ key free agents (Marvin Williams, Zaza Pachulia and Josh Childress) to hammer out the details of at least a couple of potential deals.
With Mike Bibby’s new deal needing only signatures, the Hawks can devote all the attention and resources necessary to the aforementioned players, and yes, that includes Childress (whose saga might not play out until after the July 15 deadline he has to either opt out of his contract with Olympiakos to return home and to the NBA. David Andersen, another player on the Hawks’ shopping list, has the same clause in his Spanish contract).
Folks keep asking what’s the latest on (All THE HAWKS’ SUMMER TARGETS)? So here’s a rundown, early on a day I’m dubbing Super Tuesday, of where things stand with the key players (and for a sobering look at just how crazy free agency is working this summer, check out this dagger from ESPN Insider and Alpharetta’s own John Hollinger):
MARVIN WILLIAMS: Using Charlie Villanueva’s deal in Detroit (5 years, $40 million-range) as your guide, things should get much easier to decipher in the curious case of Marvin Williams. With a qualifying offer of $7.5 million, we’re not talking about anything out of the ordinary her for a guy that’s proved to be a valuable starter the past three years. Finding another 6-9 starting small forward that fits the way he does on this team will not be easy, despite all of the suggestions around here to the contrary. Respected and prolific colleague Mark Bradley has suggested many times that if any of the Hawks’ remaining building blocks was expendable it was Marvin. But as I look across the free agent landscape, I cannot co-sign that theory. Not with the free agent moves/trades that have gone on in the Eastern Conference since draft night. Not with Hedo Turkoglu in Toronto now and Vince Carter in his old spot in Orlando. And not with Villanueva in Detroit and the addition of Rasheed Wallace in Boston. The length the Hawks used to their advantage across the frontline with Williams, Josh Smith and Al Horford is more critical than ever. Even in one of the many proposed sign-and-trade deals offered up around these parts, I don’t see the Hawks adding the piece that could take Marvin’s place on this roster (in fit, size and temperament … three crucial factors that Marvin brings that go largely unnoticed by the public). The Hawks have made clear their preference for Marvin to remain a part of the core of this team and I see no reason why that shouldn’t happen. I can’t see any scenario where he is not a part of this team in the future.
ZAZA PACHULIA: Much has been made in the past 72 hours about Zaza’s impending departure and his being replaced by Andersen, or a combination of players that includes the Australian big man. Slow down with that one. Sources tell me that while initially things didn’t look too good with the offer that was presented to him by the Hawks, the sides are working their way toward more agreeable terms (we’re talking slightly north of the $16 million over four years he signed for the last time he was a free agent but decidedly south of the $33 million over five years Marcin Gortat is expected to receive from Dallas). And in an Eastern Conference littered with bigs like Dwight Howard in Orlando, Shaquille O’Neal in Cleveland and now Wallace, Kevin Garnett and Kendrick Perkins in Boston (and that’s just on the teams that finished ahead of the Hawks in the standings last season), that’s a good thing. Because the Hawks can ill-afford to lose a player like Zaza. He’s the only real bruiser on the roster. He’ll set a hard pick and has shown he’s not afraid to mix it up with the likes of Garnett and Howard. And while I’m not heavy into the stats that seem to guide so many people’s opinions about players, I do believe that some numbers tell a far different story than what the heart and mind can. There were six regular season games and three playoff games during the 2008-2009 season where Zaza played 30-plus minutes. He averaged 9.8 points, 10.1 rebounds (and 4.1 offensive rebounds) in those games. That means when he was needed to play above and beyond his pay grade, Pachulia delivered.
JOSH CHILDRESS: Like Andersen, Childress would do better financially (at least in the next year or two) by returning to Greece for another season with Olympiakos. But if he’s intent on returning to the NBA this summer, and there are indications that he would indeed love to return, things could get tricky. Childress has already visited Milwaukee. And the Bucks could present him with an offer sheet and gamble that the Hawks might not match it (fat chance). The obvious solution for both sides would be a sign-and-trade deal (the starting salary for Childress wouldn’t even be the full mid-level of $5.6 million, though the total contract would be nearly $31 million over five years). The Bucks have all the necessary tools to make something like that happen. Whatever happens, the Hawks need to close the door on the Childress saga that began last summer during his first round of restricted free agency. His jersey number was given away last summer (to Mo Evans) in a way that should have signaled the end of his time with the Hawks to all of us. I know I’ve spent much of the last year plotting hypothetical scenarios in which he could return to the Hawks. I realize now, finally, it’s just not going to happen. So if there is any way to salvage a player (Bruce Bowen has been mentioned) and a possible second-round draft pick out of the deal, the Hawks could finally walk away from the entire mess with some measure of satisfaction.
Resolve two of the three issues above by July 15 and the Hawks will have made some serious headway into a summer that’s long from over. The roster still needs filling out. And that might not come until much later in the summer and possibly even training camp, where a hungry free agent pickup like Mario West won roster spots in each of the past two camps.
The Hawks will still have the resources to chase down another big man (or possibly two) to fill out the rotation, which is still in need of fortification. But the heavy lifting starts today in D.C.
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A Tribe Called Quest
July 7th, 2009
4:23 pm
Sautee, that argument doesn’t work. Monta Ellis made minimum wage in 07-08 and averaged a ton of points, so you can use that argument for anything
niremetal
July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
Dukester,
Funny. I seem to remember us making the 4 seed with the squad we have, and that was before we got Crawford. Guess I must have dreamt that.
jj
July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
Mr.Smith,I wonder if signing Bibby will help keep JJ here or will it have little or no affect?I was wondering if you could by percentage gage the Hawks chances with the guys.ZaZa,Marvin,Chills,Flip,Mcdyss,Wilcox,and Frye.I hope this is too tedious for you and others.I am just trying to get a read on where we’re at with FAs.Thanks.
Melvin
July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
CP,
Co-sign your 4:01 post…
niremetal
July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
Methinks Tribe missed the point
THE MOST INTERESTING HAWKS FAN IN THE WORLD
July 7th, 2009
4:27 pm
NIRE’, MANNYT, BIG RAY,
With the Bibby signing, how much money is left for the Hawks to sign Marvin, ZaZa, and another F/A big? This will determine who we get.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
kwooden1
July 7th, 2009
4:32 pm
If the deal for Bibby is around 3yr 18M, I think Sund did a good job. I thought the price would be a few million more. I hear the talk about Marvin, but it looks like the best thing for Marvin is just sign the qualifying offer and wait until next summer. I’m still pretty sure Chills is basically going to do the same thing so, right now I think our only moves are working with Zaza and our MLE. I will be very surprised if the HAWKS can sign Zaza to 5M/per and then also use the full MLE to get another big. I’m thinking their going to sign Solo and use the full MLE to get Bass/Wilcox/McDyess. Clyde, their is no real options at Center in this market, so picking up a PF is really the only way to go.
GO HAWKS!!!
BigTimeTECHFan
July 7th, 2009
4:33 pm
I was just thinking: Bibby (14 ppg), Johnson(22 ppg), and Crawford (20 ppg)is very nice backcourt. If Teague adds a little spark could help but Flip’s spark would make it awesome backcourt.
Add J. Smith, Hortford (if PF) and that 2 more nice players
role players Zaza, Marvin W are fine.
Key is coaching, and one more big (Anderson??) – coaching very weak. It’s time for new coach. Bring in Avery Johnson and this team could win 50.
ken
July 7th, 2009
4:33 pm
Hey Sekou,
Okay, again I know Chills will not be back in a Hawk uniform. I’m curious though, if hawks did match Milwaukee and keep him what is he gonna do, sit out? And just to understand he would be making the same in Atlanta as he would in Milwaukee? Ironically, either of which is less
than what the hawks offered before he bolted. And lastly, would David Anderson be under a rookie contract? Or does it not matter since he was second round?
niremetal
July 7th, 2009
4:34 pm
Dos Hawquis,
Think about it this way: Bibby just got a $9.5M paycut. That means we can give Zaza a $2M raise, Marvin a $2-3M raise, and still have ~$5M left to sign a big man, all without increasing our payroll.
THE MOST INTERESTING HAWKS FAN IN THE WORLD
July 7th, 2009
4:39 pm
I think that JJ would be more willing to sign an extension with the Hawks, now that Bibby is back in the fold.
JJ loves Bibby. He has said as much. With Bibby locked in for 3 yrs. JSmoove for 4yrs., Horford locked in for 2yrs., I can see JJ doing a 3 t0 4 yr deal at the max.
For all of you hating the Bibby deal, you have to remember that JJ wanted Bibby back just as badly as Woody. If you don’t get Bibby, JJ walks next year! You get Bibby, JJ stays next year.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Demetric
July 7th, 2009
4:39 pm
The heck with Chills, if he doesn’t want to be with us…then trade him. If he was wise he’ll stay with the Hawks. Just imagine our starting 3 and back-ups: Bibby-Joe-Marvin/Teague-Crawford-Chills thats a mean 6man rotation not to mention the front court
kwooden1
July 7th, 2009
4:39 pm
Truth, I agree with you on Flip, but I don’t think the HAWKS have 3-5M to give him this year. Flip deserves at least that much and I think he’s going to have to go to Europe to get it. Flip had a great year and I hope that he can get the kind of money he deserves, even if its not from the HAWKS.
Anakin Joe
July 7th, 2009
4:39 pm
Melvin, without understanding all of the rules around when trades need to take place for cap issues, dumping Speedy and Acie before free agency started felt too fast to me. Why not see if another trade for a needed asset could be acquired after the draft and first round of free agency cleared? Again, maybe it had something to do with those funding buckets.
Sautee, me thinks that looking solely at Joe’s scoring average as the measure of his value is inaccurate. I think it is fair to put Flip and Crawford in the “Andrew Toney Memorial” category but I don’t think Joe belongs there. Maybe you disagree. Big men make more money, right? So Dalembert and Chandler’s salaries probably shouldn’t be compared to that of someone like Josh Howard. I think they all make roughly the same and so it would be easy to say that Howard is head and shoulders more valuable than the other two, except that they are in different categories. Comparing Chandler, Dalembert and Nene is a fair comparison (IMO). Comparing Crawford, Flip, Mike James and Larry Hughes is a fair comparison (IMO). Comparing Joe to Flip is kind of silly, again, IMO. Comparing Joe to Erik Dampier makes no sense. But Flip and Crawford, why not?
Sautee
July 7th, 2009
4:40 pm
ATCQ,
Errrrr, that was Joe’s argument, dude. I was the one throwing it back at him.
Besides, you still haven’t explained how Bosh and STAT were “nearly as good, if not as good” defenders as the reigning DPOY in Dwight and a NINE TIME all-defensive player in KG?
Tell us again how many votes Bosh and AS got for DPOY? How many times have they made all-defensive team?
THE MOST INTERESTING HAWKS FAN IN THE WORLD
July 7th, 2009
4:41 pm
IF YOU HATE THE BIBBY DEAL, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOURSELVES!! I AM MAKING A LIST, SO THAT I CAN REMIND YOU IN APRIL, HOW IMPORTANT THIS BIBBY DEAL IS TO THE HAWKS.
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
THE MOST INTERESTING HAWKS FAN IN THE WORLD
July 7th, 2009
4:51 pm
NIRE’
Thanks for the new moniker DOS HAWQUIS!! I will change it immediately!! I like it!!!
Thanks for the update on the finances of the Hawks. With the numbers that you presented, we shouldn’t fret about not being able to bring back Marvin and ZaZa and another F/A big.
I like the way DOS HAWKQUIS looks, though. Dos Hawkquis > Dos Hawquis?
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Dos Hawkquis
July 7th, 2009
4:57 pm
BIGTIMETECHFAN,
I don’t know if you noticed, but the Hawks won 47 games last year. To bring in Avery Johnson, a new philosophy, new chemistry, etc., buy out the rest of Woodson’s contract and to pay AJ the 6mil he wants to win
50 games would not make much since.
NIRE’,
Would you use the 5mil left over to bring back Flip or are the Hawks done with Flip?
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
The Truth
July 7th, 2009
4:57 pm
A Tribe Called Quest
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for Crawford as I him as well, but NBA Basketball is a game of attrition, so you have to also look at the big picture. Our backcourt with Bibby and a rookie as primary backup, makes us one injury away from disaster. Look at the Laker and their depth. It is no wonder why they are the gorilla and we are the chimpanzee.
kirkinga
July 7th, 2009
5:01 pm
Anakin, perhaps I’m wrong, but I thought last offseason Manny T or someone, looked at the rules concerning Josh’s situation and came to a different conclusion.
It was my impression that the Hawks could only hold on to his rights for two years? After two years his status would change to unrestricted. If that is true, then they either get something for him now or never.
Ric Roc
July 7th, 2009
5:02 pm
Sekou or Big Ray,
Could either of you two please explain to me why Hawks Fans/bloggers seem to be so enamored with D. Andersen but the coaching staff of front office isn’t? I keep reading fans blog and hearing callers on radio shows talk about how great we’d be with him on the squad…
Is this one of those situations where the fans truly know more than the guys making the decisions, or is this another situation where people are mistaking D. Andersen for C. Anderson like GMs will mistake M. Gortat for D. Howard?
Anakin Joe
July 7th, 2009
5:04 pm
Kirk, I recall the debate and thought that there was no expiration on our “rights ownership” as long as we made a QO by the deadline. But hey, I am growing old in dog years these days, so maybe my memory is failing me. I’m sure nire or Manny or someone else will quickly chime in with Larry Coon’s expert counsel.
Sautee
July 7th, 2009
5:05 pm
“Big men make more money, right?”
Err, actually Astro, JJ makes much more than any of our bigs.
And of course JJ brings more than scoring, but it was YOU who asked if Crawford was worth 4 times what Flip was, so it begs the question of Flip’s worth relative to our “best player”.
After all, weren’t you one of the ones who balked when I compared JJ to the 5 players closest to him in salary? (DWADE, LeBron, Melo, CBOSH)
But I guess you weren’t trying to win THAT argument.
The Truth
July 7th, 2009
5:11 pm
kwooden1
Good point about the dollars involving Flip. I’m just guessing, but since Flip previous salary was so low compared to his contribution, it seem like it wouldn’t take much to satisfy especially in this economy. Flip must know that in order to get paid well, he must stay put and earn “Bird Rights” which is 3-years.
Ariose
July 7th, 2009
5:12 pm
From Zaza’s Twitter Feed:
“I’m getting so many messages if I’m staying in Atlanta or going in other team. Unfortunately I don’t have the unswer yet. Coming soon:))”
KevinA
July 7th, 2009
5:16 pm
Crawford is the only player on the Hawks that is overpaid. The trade by Sund was great by getting rid of Speedy’s contract and a player that Woody wasen’t going to play anyway. Crawford is a much better trade option for a player that fits our needs. We have plenty of guards wo will jack up jumpers at a low shooting percentage. Flip will do it for much less money and a better FG%. Prob. better defense.
Having said that we now have 6.5 million to fill in other needs. We could prob. get Gooden for less than 3 million. Maybe Chills for 6. If not that – go for a big.
If only Crawford played good defense and shot better. JJ is in contract year, hard to see Crawford getting the ball much anyway. If Bibby gets his minutes cut much and if Crawford has trouble getting the ball to Josh and Al – we may see some discontent. Not to mention Marvin will be wanting to asssert mimself as well.
9 mil is a lot to ride the to bk up the star JJ. If someone gets hurt, I’d rather have Chills.
Mike
July 7th, 2009
5:18 pm
For all of those hammering on Sekou on this blog for not reporting enough lately, the espn stories today should be a good lesson. I’ve been reading this blog a long time, and Sekou is careful not to say it unless he’s sure that it’s so, or unless he clearly state’s that something is just his own speculation. We all want to know more and more, sooner and sooner, but sometimes things are just still unknown. Bucher is terrible at just spreading rumors just to have something to say, and I have learned to ignore him. Nice job, Sekou, keep it up.
terrell barron
July 7th, 2009
5:22 pm
At 1 point, people were saying Dumars was the best GM in the league. Not! How many coaches have the Pistons had since Larry Brown left? Rick Carlisle, Flip Saunders, Michael Curry, etc… What about the Darko debacle, or the AI experience? Hell, BK mighta been better. Seriously.
terrell barron
July 7th, 2009
5:22 pm
No wonder Avery Johnson and Dumars couldn’t reach an agreement.
Melvin
July 7th, 2009
5:26 pm
KevinA,
Crawford hasn’t even played his 1st game in a Hawks uniform yet. Whats up with all those Crawford assumptions? Fact is, you don’t know whether acquiring Crawford will/will not work at this point.
Dos Hawkquis
July 7th, 2009
5:26 pm
KEVIN A,
What part of CHILLS AIN’T PLAYING FOR ATLANTA, do you not understand? When he was here, he felt like he was better than Marvin and should have been starting over him. Sund played him like a flute, he isn’t coming back to play for Atlanta!!
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Dos Hawkquis
July 7th, 2009
5:29 pm
SEKOU IS LIKE RICK SUND…
May not be as FAST as you want, but when he does show up, he has good news!! Good job SEKOU and RICK SUND!!
“I don’t always watch basketball, but when I do, I prefer the Hawks. Stay thirsty my friends!”
Melvin
July 7th, 2009
5:30 pm
Terrell,
I said that about Joe “the not so good GM” Dumars last season. People seem to give him the benefit of the doubt b/c he won a ring as a GM. Add overvaluing Stuckey and possibly overpaying for Ben Gordon to his list…
chaz
July 7th, 2009
5:31 pm
fudd21 thanks for the reply. if we resign both marvin and zaza and have 11 players under contract, we would still have the ability to improve the roster by adding a player or two. at that point our options would include:
1) sign flip, d anderson, or solo for cheap
2) use the MLE to get a decent FA big
3) somehow trade childress for a player and/or picks
4) make no more moves
i expect that we will resign both marvin and zaza, maybe try to resign flip and/or solo for cheap, and that would be it. does anyone here believe that management will be willing/able to use the MLE and/or childress to bring in the shot-blocking C or PF we really need?
Sautee
July 7th, 2009
5:33 pm
KevinA,
As I said moments after the trade news broke, you should consider Crawford insurance at the 2 in case JJ doesn’t re-sign.
Now IF we were to extend JJ this summer, I could see Crawford as a trading chip. Other than that, expect him to be here in case JJ leaves.
Melvin
July 7th, 2009
5:37 pm
Dos Hawkquis,
IF Chills didn’t have any intentions to re-sign with the Hawks last year, then why was he quoted saying he wanted to get his deal done early in the Free Agency period last summer. That statement doesn’t seem like a guy who didn’t want to re-sign to me. As for this summer, all I can do is take Sekou at his word that the guy wants to play elsewhere.
Ariose
July 7th, 2009
5:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHoKIPhe2Ac
The Truth
July 7th, 2009
5:41 pm
With all this chatter about the Hawks budget, if we really need some relief, I say Mo Evans should be expendable via a trade. I’m not sure where Mo Evans fits in because he’s too short to guard big Sf like Hedo or Charlie V and we already have Crawford backing-up JJ at SG. Right now, our real weakness is at the backup SF and backup PF positions. We could package Mo with something else (chill S-T, or future 2nd round, etc) for a serviceable upgrade.
Blogotomy
July 7th, 2009
5:45 pm
Anakin Joe : I still can’t stand that trade for Jamal Crawford. I’ll say just about anything to prove my point. Hey, Jamal gets 4 times as much money as Flip Murray. That can’t be right. Bad trade!
Niremetal : Actually, it’s a good trade. We gave up scrap parts, and it didn’t involve the BYC, the MLE, the ATF, or the YMCA. Besides, I called Larry Coon and he said it was all good.
Sautee : About this: “Jamal gets about 4 times as much as Flip Murray. Bad trade!” This is faulty logic. Should we then compare Joe Johnson’s salary to Flip’s salary and come to a similar conclusion?
Anakin Joe : Sautee, your counter argument is invalid because you took my statement out of context. You conveniently left out the part where I said “That can’t be right.” Besides, my argument is in a vaccum all by itself. You cannot use my logic against me because it only works in an argument of my choosing and nowhere else. Wait a minute, did I just contradict myself?
Big ray : Anakin Joe is full of bull poop. And he likes Woody. And he doesn’t like Josh Smith. I just can’t deal with that. Has anybody seen my 28 piece collection of Josh Smith jerseys? I seem to have misplaced them.
Tribe Called Quest : Niremental, you and Sautee don’t know what you’re is talking about. Rasheed Wallace makes more than Bibby and he’s not better than he is when they play.
Niremetal : Tribe, WTF? Where did Rasheed come from? Nevermind. You’re an idiot. And that would be stating the obvious thing.
Big ray : Anakin Joe is like a drill bit. Nobody goes in circles faster than he does. And he doesn’t like Josh Smith. I just can’t deal with that. Dadgumit where are my Josh Smith jerseys?
Astro Joe : Ray why can’t I have an opinion? Did I miss something? Didn’t we win 47 games last year? You’re a negative SOB and a bad fan. I’m a good fan and I appreciate the team. Except Josh Smith. I know you can’t stand that.
Ariose : Hey yall check out my link to Cenk Aykol and Sergei Gladyr. Not even the Hawks brass has this kind of info.
THE MOST INTERESTING HAWKS FAN IN THE WORLD : I just had to come up with a name and tag line that is even more annoying than that Barry character who ends every post with “SHHHHHHHH…IT’S A HAWKS FAN SECRET…TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!! SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!!”
I think I succeeded.
Rod From College Park : All of this proves that Marvin is no good. I rest my case. Not that I had one to begin with. But I’m resting it anyway.
Niremetal : Rod, how stupid are thee? Let me count the ways.
Rod From College Park I’m not stupid lawyer boy. Go pass the bar exam and stop bothering me. Besides, I live in the park near the college which automatically makes me smart.
Sautee : Anakin Joe, I’m still waiting on an answer to my question. Are you dodging me? Rod, your argument continues to make little sense. Prove it with facts, and not shallow player hate.
Tribe Called Quest : I’m confused, what are we talking about again? I know somebody is wrong, but I’m not sure what they’re wrong about. Huh? Did somebody say something? You know this chronic has me paranoid.
Mitun
July 7th, 2009
5:53 pm
do you think that the Hawks could land Samual Dalembert from the 76ers?
Ariose
July 7th, 2009
5:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZwUn6mF9Ic&feature=channel
Not sure if Acie is in a better spot with Nellie than he was here….I hope he eventually finds the right team. I just don’t thinK the GSW is that team.
Sautee
July 7th, 2009
6:00 pm
Blogotomy,
LMFAO!
Nailed it there, buddy! Got all of us.
DW
July 7th, 2009
6:01 pm
I hate the Hawks deal with Bibby. He’s going to take all the minutes from Jeff Teague. He’s gonna stand around and shoot three’s and do little else. He’s not a baller anymore, he’s not a passer, and he’s not a playmaker. We may win 48-50 games, but this move won’t get us any closer to the big three. We look just like we did last year. That’s dissapointing.
Hms
July 7th, 2009
6:07 pm
How is 48-50 games NOT closer to the big three than 47? Somebody’s math skills are seriously lacking.
DW
July 7th, 2009
6:17 pm
I’m talking about the “PLAYOFFS” HMS. The NBA is all about the playoffs. Ask Lebron. We were 1-5 on the road in the playoffs. And we’re 1-9 over the last 2 years in the playoffs. Regular season is only important in baseball because of stats. Besides Jamal C. we are the exact same 1-9 team on the road. The big 3 have all improved.
KevinA
July 7th, 2009
6:20 pm
Melvin, you may be right, Crawford may be fine. Who knows. I did watch Chills from day one on this team. I think the kid has better skills and is a smarter player.
Dos Hawkquis , Chills is from Stanford and seems to be level headed. If Woody offered the unclenched fist and gave him starter minutes, Chills would reevaluate. Obama today got Russia to agree to disarm 30% of nuclear stockpiles. Never say never.
Sautee, I can see your reasoning except we can do better than Crawford for 9 mil. With or without JJ.
Is Crawford just a young version of Big Dog? Smooth stroke with no defense. Jason Terry, smooth stroke, no defense. Antwan Walker, D? These guys are a dime a dozen.
Ariose
July 7th, 2009
6:21 pm
LMFAO!!!
I’m assuming Ray was behined this hehehehe…..
UGA
July 7th, 2009
6:21 pm
Ric Bucher just said on ESPN that McDyess is deciding b/w Detroit and San Antonio. I read this morning like most of you that Channing Frye was looking hard at Phoenix. If true, we better shift our focus to Wilcox or Gooden.
James
July 7th, 2009
6:29 pm
Great news on Bibby.I agree that the Hawks need to close the door on Childress.I also think that They need to take close looks at free agents Channing Frye and Gerald Green.Both are former first round draft choices who would come pretty cheap.I would have to see a huge long term investment in Marvin Williams who will not contribute any more than Green would.Frye could replace ZaZa if we loose him.Their next move should be moving Joe Johnson.His contract is up next year and while he is a star he showed in the play offs that if he’s not scoring he has nothing to contribute,not even leadership.Maybe put him in a package with Marvin Williams or Josh Smith for a solid all around star,like maybe that guy that the Suns are shopping.
Sautee
July 7th, 2009
6:32 pm
“Sautee, I can see your reasoning except we can do better than Crawford for 9 mil. With or without JJ.”
But Kevin, we got insurance without giving up usable parts. And who else could we have gotten for Acie and Speedy that would have given us that PLAN B?
I’m NOT saying Crawford is the long term solution if JJ leaves, but it sure makes me feel better that me have SOMEONE on the roster capable of filling in if that becomes necessary. And it ALSO gave us leverage in the Bibby negotiations.
If Bibby’s agent thought that Bibby was our only option…… Well let’s just say we might not be as happy about the figures.