Childress in play?

Whats up Sekou! I was wondering if you heard any news on the Hawks bringing back Flip.

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I understand everyone’s concern about Bibby.

But let me assure you — as I seek to delve into this “economic pie,” Bibby’s financial security is one of my chief concerns. I will certainly overpay for him, if it means he will stay with us. Having scoring guards is a top priority for this team. Josh Smith and Al Horford are the best power forward and centers in the game, so I see no reason to add backups for them or to upgrade at those positions, as they will most certainly play 48 minutes a game each this coming season.

Best,
Rick

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Totally off topic Sekou, but what is Detroit doing? How are they going to get Rodney Stuckey, Ben Gordon, Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, and Charlie V all on the floor? Just looks like too much of the same thing to me. Instead of resigning Bibby, could Iverson be an option at PG for the Hawks? He would be an excellent teacher for Teague because they seemingly play the same style ball.

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Sekou, why do you think Childress does not want to return to the Hawks? Is it because the talks did not go so well last year? If we do a sign and trade with the Bucks what do they have to offer that would compliant the hawks? Could they do a sign and trade with the lakers for Ariza? What quality big men are out there that would come here and for a price not breaking the bank. Would the Hawks do better and just try to resign Zaza.

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Rick Sund= Clyde.

We can tell by your blatant mocking of Al Horford at the center position.

Give it up!

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Sekou- I totally agree with you on ZaZa, everyone is falling in love with Gortat, and honestly I don’t see him being any better than Za.

I really don’t understand why Childress would want to come back to the NBA this year. I get why he is visiting teams, smart move to keep his name on GM’s radar, but he is not going to get near the money in the NBA as Greece, and if he waits until next year he is completely free. So what advantage does he gain by coming back now?
Or is he just that ready to get back in the States?
Or is he concerned that with next years free agent market he would get totally lost in the shuffle?

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Josh Childress’s feelings toward the Hawks stem from his relationship with Woodson during his tenure here.He felt that he should have been starting ahead of Marvin and wWoodson did not. Of course Mr. Sund’s actions and statements during last year’s negotiations did not help.

This a recurring theme that our media does not want to address: Woodson’s propensity to p#ss players off; players who have the talent to advance the Hawks fortunes but are constained by personality politics. And it definitley inhibits the taems ability to attract top flight FAs.

Think about it for a minute: after several seasons of having the worst record of any proffessional sports coach, the Hawks make the playoffs in successive years but in a vote by press and peers,Woodson gets ONE vote for COY.Something just isn’t right; after all Atlanta was “voted” one of the top 10 locations in a recent poll concerning desirable cities /teams for NBA players. Yet our recent FA signings include a guy on his way to play in russia after being on 6 teams in 7 years; a career journey man and a refugee from Warrirs. Maybe there is another explanation but I can’t figure it out?

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Sekou,

Im assuming the reason we’re not heating about the Hawks going after any free agents that played for other teams last year is that there trying to shore up all the free agents that played significant minutes fir them in 2007-2008.

With that said, if they do sign Bibby, Zaza and Marvin is there any reason to be optimistic with the Hawks roster coming back intact and having another year under their belt in Woody’s system, but a team that also got manhandled in the second round? Especially with the improvements most experts forsee taking place in Boston, Cleveland, and Detroit.

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Sekou, Ariza can in fact be sign-and-traded because the Lakers own his Bird rights.

Also, the Hawks need to get on the phone and call the Clippers. This scenario is exactly like the Al Harrington one from a few years ago. The Hawks can move Childress to a team that needs him and not have to take back much salary. No other team above the cap can offer the Hawks such a great deal.

There’s even a chance the Hawks could dump Randolph Morris in the process. With Childress being from California, I’m tempted to call his agent myself.

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Sekou- what are your thoughts or info on why Chilldress would want to come back this year?

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Rommel – You would trade Marvin and Chills for a one-year Bosh rental?

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1 1/2 years ago this some blog was ready to toss ZaZa away. Now we have many wanting to toss Marvin. We need to show love to Chills (Woody/Sund on their knees).

Crawford is the odd man out. How long to the Hawks have to keep him before we can use him to make a deal. We should trade him away for nothing. At his salary he has 0 value.

9 million off the books opens up a wide range of possibilities.

Trade experts please chime in.

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Yes RamblinRed – I would like to see some Jack interest before giving up the farm to no-D Bibby.

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Sekou,

How about Francisco Elson and Kurt Thomas from the Bucks, 2 veteran bigs?
Or if things fall through here, maybe Ridnour?

Also, if Flip leaves and we keep Bibby, how about Bobby Jackson from Sacramento (who use to back up Bibby) or CJ Watson from the Warriors (restricted free agent)?

Thanks!

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mountain_jim- nobody wants to overpay Bibby. Do you really think that Sund does too? 2-3 years at 5-6 mil is what I think most people are looking at. Is that too much too long for you?

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Sekou………………. If the Hawks can’t work things out with Bibby. Is their any way you can see the Hawks sending Chill’s to the Bucks for Luke and their 2010 1RST round pick?

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Sekou, do you think personality issues with Woodson is a concern. I know you are around the team a lot and may not want to comment but if players do not want to come here is just because we have been losing for so long, is it our system or what? Bibby did say at the end of last year he loved the city and the coaching staff but is is because he is a veteran and know what is expected and woodson is harder on younger players, what would this mean for teague? Will teague be able to contribute successfully next year with the over crowding in the back court? Do you think if Bibby is signed he may be moved to SG? All these players are going to want to start, how is this going to work out for Crawford and Bibby? Will the Hawks be able to pick-up quality bench players to get the rotation maybe a strong 9 or 10 and let Gardner, Hunter and Morris go? What reserves are out there to help them consistently, what about players that weren’t drafted like the big man from Augusta State, he maybe a upgrade to Morris.

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I remember last year at this time people were saying that Philly & Miami would be much better than us because they signed Brand & O’Neal. How did that work out?

Remember how we were screwed because Chills was not going to play? Funny how we got 10 games better with him not playing.

I’m of a mind to believe Orlando will take a step back next year. I like Vince Carter – he is a better individual talent than Hedo – but is he a better fit than Hedo? Can you give the ball to Vince & know that he will make the correct plays down the stretch? Maybe/Maybe not.

If Boston keeps their squad intact & Garnett comes back healthy then they will definitely be better next year.

Cleveland – will they be better with Shaq? How is Lebron going to make his moves in the lane with the big fella camping out? Do you play Shaq on the perimeter to open up the lane? Will anyone guard Shaq more the 8′ from the basket? If you take Shaq out to open up the lane who will guard Howard?

I’m not sure why so many are so freaked out about other teams “making major moves towards the title” while the Hawks do nothing. Other teams are making moves but are they truly getting better?

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For every one yelling about depth. We didn’t have depth problems at Point guard, Shooting Guard or Small forward. These are the spots Chill’s plays in. Our depth problems came in at PF and C, Chill’s plays neither.

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Sekou:

Thanks for your response to my Devin Harris question. Because the Nets were willing to part with Harris for the #2 pick, and because they acquired PG Rafer Alston in the Vinsanity deal, I was thinking the Nets would still listen to offers involving Harris.

My thinking is on a par with some of my friends here that the Hawks need a PG who can break down the defense to score or dish. Crawford can score some off the dribble, but he’s not great at dishing the ball in traffic. Harris can do both and is excellent at both.

The issues with Bibby are his defense and, at times, his out of control passing, where inexplicably he forces the ball into traffic. Sure, he’s great at hitting the threes, sometimes in key situations, and he does throw an occasional great pass…but…the fact that the Hawks don’t have a legitimate threat in the post, makes it all the more important to have a point guard who can get into the lane and distribute the ball to men left open from the help.

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So let me throw this out there to everyone:

Would you make this deal? Or is it too far-fetched?

F Josh Smith ($10M per) for G Devin Harris ($7.8M per through 2011-2012).

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EVERYONE, STOP WITH THE DEVIN HARRIS GARBAGE! Why on Earth would the Nets make that deal? This is not fantasy basketball.

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Woody’s current offense has no place for a drive & dish PG – see Acie Law. Woody needs someone to bring the ball up the floor, set a pick for Joe & then move to an open spot for a potential jumper.

Why trade/sign another square peg & try to jam it in the round hole?

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Honestly, if I were the coach of theis ballclub, a mirror image of team USA would be my aim. Throwing waves of players at you in five minute spurts, that way no one gets tired and whoever is on the court is always perfoming at the highest level. If we bring everyone back and add someone like Gortat or Channing Frye, I beleive we will bave the weapons to play that brand of basketball.

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Honestly, if I were the coach of this ballclub, a mirror image of team USA would be my aim. Throwing waves of players at you in five minute spurts, that way no one gets tired and whoever is on the court is always perfoming at the highest level. If we bring everyone back and add someone like Gortat or Channing Frye, I beleive we will have the weapons to play that brand of basketball.

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Manny/Nire – if we resigned Childress for $6M/year – what would his BYC number be? Would that number be all we could take back in a trade?

Say the number was $3M – could we trade Childress ($6M salary) for someone making $3M? Would that also free up the remaining $7M left from the current Childress cap hold?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Daniel,

According to niremetal, the rights to Chills will always belong to the hawks as long as they make a QO to him each year. So, there is no advantage for him to wait until next year if he is ready to come back. He must make up his mind by July 15 or he will be headed back to Greece.

Wouldn’t it be great to do a S&T with Childress and the Bucs for Sessions???

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jhan, Chillz BYC number is the greater of 50% of his salary or his previous salary ($3,631,449). His BYC starts at anything above 120% of his previous salary, which would be $4,357,738.80.

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Chills must be anxious to return to the NBA. He’s smart enough to know the economy right now and is certainly smart enough to know that he isn’t going to get a lucrative contract, not this year anyway.

Today he’s talking with the Bucks. What would they offer him? One would think the ceiling on him would be $6-7M…which, as you state Sekou, is a price tag the Hawks would be inclined to match.

I’d love to see Chills return to Atlanta…his defense is better than anyone’s on the current roster and his ability to score and pass from the short corner is made to order for this team, due to its lack of a post presence.

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The hubris of the Atlanta Hawks brass (owners + GM) will be the demise of this franchise.

The utter defiance of NBA free agency norms, such as NOT offering important bigs contracts before they get taken away for more money, is a paragon of the ineptitude of this franchise.

Until Rick Sund realizes that scoring tweener guards don’t win you championships, this team will bask in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. The 2 playoffs berths are smoke screens — this ownership is driven by money — not efficiency. This whole team was crafted by Billy Knight, and Rick Sund’s lone accomplishment so far has been trading 2 injured stiffs for a decent player in Jamal Crawford. Until Rick Sund gets us a big who can semi-handle Dwight Howard, Shaq (past his prime), or even bother to box out Glen “Big Baby” Davis, you can expect another playoff berth next year and another 2nd round exit.

There is nothing to be excited about, folks. This arrogant GM is content with resigning our players and not making an adventurous move. Apparently Mike Bibby is the Second Coming of Christ. I’ve never seen such an above-average player heralded so greatly by a throng of ignorant afficionados. Mike Bibby is no where close to as good as even Rajon Rondo or Jameer Nelson who have repeatedly destroyed our point guard of the years. Bibby is so bowlegged he has to take two steps sideways before taking one step forward … That is the amazing point guard our fans have made him out to be.

The Hawks have 41 million under contract. To sign 3 or 4 more players and stay under the luxury tax should not be a daunting task. But with Rick Sund, our stiff GM who refused to make Josh Smith an offer until the desperate Grizzlies did, you have a GM who is terrified of making a risk-taking trade, such as pieces for Shaq, or Josh Smith for a big.

This team will make the playoffs 2 or 3 more times until we lose most of our core pieces and move back to the infamous nadir of the East

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This off-season will tell us a great deal about Rick Sund. I give him an A- for last year, seeing as he did get JSmoove re-signed, and despite miscalculating Josh Childress’ situation (which turned out to be quite a surprise), Sund managed to solidify the roster and pave the way for a second straight playoff berth by adding two key pieces in Mo Evans and Flip Murray.

Thus far, the Crawford deal was a gem and I think Sund got one of the more promising young players in the draft in Jeff Teague.

But, the interest in Bibby at this point surprises me. Yes Sund loves shooters, but unless Bibby settles for a MLE, this team cannot afford him. Bibby is too proud to take a MLE, at least from the Hawks. Maybe the Knicks, because of D’Antoni and the hope that LeBron ends up there. And thus far, Sund has done nothing in two years to address the interior talent and depth on this team. So, this is all very interesting, and nerve-wracking at the same time.

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Sekou,

what was so egregious about the Hawks negotiations with Josh Childress that would preclude the Hawks and Childress from being able to reach a deal? Just because Greek team paid Childress twice what any NBA team would? Was it nasty? I don’t get it. Please elaborate

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I question whether Chillz would sign a deal that he’d believe the Hawks would match. It sounds as though he realizes there would not be much chance for significant minutes with the Hawks and if he wants to make his next payday significant, he’d have to go elsewhere.

It is going to be interesting to see how long the Hawks wait before attempting to sign Marvin and ZaZa. I think the CharlieV contract benefits the Hawks by setting Marvin’s market around $8million/year. Locking him in to a similar deal definitely benefits the Hawks going forward.

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I’m down with a bench consisting of either of these bigs: Zaza, Gortat, Verajeao, Frye, or Solo.

We know zaza and Solo will be back(hopefully), now we just need to add Frye, Verajao, or Gortat and we’ll be set.

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Hoops- I appreciate the info. Man, the NBA contract stuff is way complicated. I am a physician, and I have read up on this stuff, and still don’t really understand it. I mean the whole cap hold thing is just insane really.

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Mitch,

Jamal Crawford shoots 41% from the field and doesn’t get 10 assists per game. Therefore, he will not be able to help us at all. Plus, he could only score 20 points per game on a losing team. It’s not possible for him to give anywhere near that contribution on a winning team.

Jeff Teague is labeled by some pre-draft websites as an indifferent defender. Because of this analysis, he will never develop the desire, attitude, or capability to ever defend his position in the NBA.

Rick Sund failed to draft DaJuan Blair. He has also failed to sign or trade un-disclosed players for an un-disclosed but highly talented big man within the first 2 days of the free agency talks period.

Therefore, the team will regress to 34 wins, not make the playoffs, the coach will be fired, and life as we know it will come to a horribly apocalyptic end.

What? You didn’t get that memo?

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No, Big Ray, that memo has not arrived yet. Good chuckle, though!

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Big Ray, I have heard that Amare and Bosh are on the trade market — have you?

I think both players can do work against Dwight.

Also, we have a player named Josh Smith who is a true tweener and sucks at post defense as well as post offense.

Thanks.

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Josh, JJ, Chills Marvin, Al and ZaZa are our core. We added Bibby Flip and Evans to the mix and now Crawford.

Resigning Chills would restore our core and the kids that got us here. Al would be the new addition to the core. We need to ride these guys until their improvement is known. JJ is the only one who looks like he may have reached his potential. It’s contract year so I could be wrong. The rest of these kids still have upside until proven otherwise.

Flip seems cheap for the skill level, the same could be said for Solo and Evans.
Crawford and Bibby are the only players that could be considered over paid judging past performance and future upside.

At the moment their pay is 23 million + for players that have good but incomplete skills.

I would prefer to drop Bibby and Crawford for younger players around the age group of our core. I know this will not win a championship next year. That does not mean we will not win more than last year.

A cheap vet to back up the big’s is smart. A pg like Jack would fit in nice. We just don’t need to throw away our chemistry and future by blowing up the team with big trades. If Sund thinks keeping Bibby for cheap works – so be it.

I still think Crawford is the odd man out. I will say it was a great trade though. Got that 5 mill for speedy taken care of. How long do we have to wait to deal him.

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I guess money ISNT everything, well atleast to JChill. This could get ugly though. Gadzuric is the ONLY thing the BUCKS have that Hawks could use. But he is probably one of the reasons they let Charlie V go. Clips n Spurs dont have much to offer. The Lakers are a different story though. I cant belive they are fudging on Ariza, without him they dont win the CROWN. Can you imagine Chilly refuseing to play for us after we MATCH an offer with no Sign and Trade available??? Yeah thats a bad spot. BUT, this offseason can still be GREAT by bringing back BIBBS and getting Gortat. NOW what about the Summer??? Teague needs to go against some full time NBA talent. A mini camp wont get it done. Gooooo Hawks!!!

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I feel Childress will only return to the NBA this year if a team signs him to a decent money contract. $8 mil minimum. Because unless he is sick of playing in Greece already, I don’t see him turning down all those Greek millions simply to return to the NBA and take a huge paycut. He knows he gets a paycut by coming back to the league, at least he would not want the cut to be that steep.

Speaking on that level, why would he want to play with the Bucks? They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

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Bibby doesn’t want to play anywhere else. If you’ve followed his carrer and read articles on him or heard him talk, you’d know that he likes to be surrounded by friends/family and once he finds a comfortable surrounding, he likes to stay there.

The only reason Bibby/Sund are close to agreeing on negotiations is because Bibby doesn’t want to go anywhere else, he has already done a self-appraisal of his game and knows what he should get on the market. He also wants to make this franchise better so he’s willing to take a pay-cut. Bibby probably already let Sund know that he’s not looking to sign anywhere else and that he wants to get a deal done with Atlanta.

Think about it, whay would Bibby’s camp be so upset about us signing Jamal Craford? The report was b/c he thought that meant the Hawks didn’t want to re-sign him. It had absoulutely nothing to do with money. He just wants to be here. He’s about to be 31 and wants to be in one place, preferably somewhere where he’s comforable.

Obviously, sund did the right thing by covering all(guard-oriented) angles so Bibby’s greedy agents woudn’t try to screw our francicise over in order for their 10% stake in Bibbys cash-flow to be “that much” bigger; But I sincerely think Bibby could’ve cared less aout that stuff though. He likes this group of guys and said they reminded him of the good times in Sacramento.

Besides, We need him. He’s the type of “comradarie” leader that was needed. Apparently he gets all the guys together in order ot go out and eat or watch movies. That’s just Bibby’s personality. If you haven’t noticed, most of the other guys on the roster are very independet and would just do their own thing with thier time off(Joe being the main culprit….all he does is sleep i’m told lol). He is also the main vocal leader on the court, along with Horford…and sometimes Flip.

We had GREAT CHEMISTRY with everyone last season, and if it weren’t for injuries we probably could have accomplished a lot more in the playoffs. So just bringing everone back, with the additions of Crawford, Teauge, another big(Frye or Gortat), and maybe Gerald Green(800k!!!) we should be MORE than OK and ABLE to stand up to all those annoying injuries that plauged us last season, while getting significantly better in the process.

At least, thats my take onthe situation….

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I totally concur with the words of RELAX AND TAKE NOTES. Everyone is bellowing from far and near (in Atlanta) for the services of one Michael Bibby, as if he were one of the top 5 guards in the league.

If Atlanta fans would remove the rose colored lens for one second, you would see that Bibby was mauled by rondo, mo williams, jameer, and ESPECIALLY, ONE, TONY PARKER!! But, if you chose to wear your colored lens in the building so be it!!

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lol ray. Sessions is the only guy on the Bucks roster I like. If we bring Bibby back then there is no need for Sessions. The Clippers would be a better sign and trade partner. If we could get Deandre Jordan from them then I would be alright with that. I would prefer to have Chills back on our bench but I guess he does not care to much for ol Woody. And I can only laugh at the guy who said Marvin Williams is not athletic.

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Relax and Take Notes,

I’ve heard of both guys, and their “availability.” Bosh is not a center, and cannot possibly do more against Dwight than Al Horford, who makes Dwight work for everything he gets. Amare won’t defend his girlfriend, much less Howard. What, you don’t recall why those high-powered Suns teams never could get past the Spurs? Or why the Suns kept trying different power forwards year after year? First it was Brian Skinner, then Kurt Thomas, finally they just went and got Shaq. Why? Because Stoudamire is NOT in any way, shape or form committed to playing defense with ANY consistency against his counterparts.

If looking for offensive firepower and rebounds, Amare and Bosh will both do the job. Defense and banging in the post (doing the dirty work) against the bigger, better centers in the league? Neither guy fits that profile. Horford does a better job.

Next….

Mitch,

Glad to amuse ya! That was the purpose, after all.

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Nire your BYC number is correct only if Childress’ contract starts between $4,357,738.80 and $7,262,898. Anything above $7,262,898 and his BYC number changes to 50% of his current salary.

You are incorrect on the amount we can take back in a trade for Childress. Between the values of $4,357,738.80 and $7,262,898 for Chillz starting salary, we can take back[$3,631,449*1.25 + $100,000] = $4,639,311.25. Any starting salary above $7,262,898 and the amount we can take back is [$X*1.25 + $100,000] where X is one half Chillz starting salary.

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Big Ray,

I agree. That’s what you get when you let some clown who admitted he has never played any sports in his life, call hinself the so called expert on the board. All they do is see numbers, and make the numbers support how they feel. The Jamal Crawford fg% arguement as an example. Did you clowns ever consider that his fg% might be lower because he played on terrible teams, and had to endure double teams to score? What will happen when Joe gets doubled, and Jamal is standing wide open? Will he still shoot a low percentage? Would Joe shoot a higher percentage if there was another pure scorer on the floor? Why you guys continue to listen to these clowns who have never laced up any basketball shoes, I will never understand. Marvin is better than Ariza. (LOL) Marvin is better than Josh. (LOL) Marvin can check Lebron (LOL) Marvin shut down Carmelo (LOL) If he shot 20 times a game he would average 30 ppg (LOL)I don’t want to lose hime because he might end up being like Jordan (LOL) Marvin is our best perimeter defender on the team. (LOL) and the lsit goes on……..

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One Hundredth….

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Chillz= garbage collector…… The MLE is all that his game deserves IMO- seriously what is it about his game that warrants 8-9 mill a year? Exactly -nothing. Everything he does can be replaced,I would rather have Flip or Crawford over him….U know guys that can actually score the ball.
Ariza is a good player but is he worth 9 mill or more…… A career avg of 10 freakn points…… A 7 mill increase in pay doesnt gaurantee u he will play 82 games the same way he did in the Finals……… Just see Jerome James -Eddy Curry

If the numbers work I would S&T Chills+Morris/Mo for J. Pryzbilla

Resign ZAZA Now!!!! before he gets away-We are razor thin at the F/C spot

Let Marvin play this year and take care of him next summer- he will probably get less offers/money because there will be better players in the 2010 free agent class.

Torn between Bibby and Flip….. If bibby takes 6 mill we need to sign him if for nothing else his leadership and ability to run a team. I would prefer to get a penetrating PG with defensive capability……. Sessions maybe….
Lets stop with the Amare and Bosh stuff………. Are we really wanting Bosh or Amare for two of our core guys -even when its likely he wont resign here….I thinks not

Did we learn anything for the Brave and the way they handled Mark Texetria – give up 3 good yung players for 1 relly good player……. the 3 yung guy’s are producing well on other teams and the guy u traded them for is with the evil empire with below average stats……..this would be a mistake………

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BrittishAnger,

The Hawks made QO’s to Solo and West.

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You rang? It’s all good. Trade Chill for a pick since there’s no use for him here anyway.

Rod, what was this about other people not lacing up? You figure out what an offensive foul does yet? Besides, no one has to lace up to figure out that you’re a dumbass.

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*mokes=moves lol…

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Wow chill really dont want be here well i wish you good luck but the show must go on do a sign a trade sund we cant let him go for nothing we trying to win a championship so we dont need any one thats not wanted here.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

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Blast, Exactly….Good points.

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As much as i like horford i say trade chill and horford for amar’e right now this will put the hawks in the top 3 in the east.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

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Sekou, I know the negotiations went poorly, but what’s all this about Chill and Woodson not getting along? Woodson seemed to love Childress. He didn’t start him, but he played him starter minutes and usually used him in crunch time. Childress played hard and played defense and was willing to accept his role (it seemed). Did they really not get along?

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TRADE horford and chill for amar’ this will put us in the top 3 in the east.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

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Sund called Chill a “utility player”. Woodson never Let Chill start, and as soon as we got Flip/Mo Woody was quick to blast Chill just like he did Acie after we drafted Teauge.

On top of all that, Childress isn’t stupd, he went to stanford…..and furthermore, woodson is an idiot. Come on, we all know he’s short a few brain cells, you can tell by just hearing him talk; It I was chill, i’d much rather play for a competent coach who sees the value in my abilities too. Why would I want to play for a Coach and GM that didn’t value me highly????

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Jhan,

Nice takedown!

Westurd,

Chill IS out of town. Way out of town. As in, on another continent. Where have YOU been?

Darrell Starks,

Say what? Chill and Horford for Amare? I won’t even do that on NBA LIVE 2009.

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And the fact that we are resigning Bibby over ZaZa — I will never get over this. When you all see ZaZa go to some crappy team like OKC or Memphis because they paid him the 2 mill extra, you will know why. Because our arrogant GM wants Bibby more than bigs. Sund has not brought us one big besides RandMo and Othello.

Any team in the top 8 in the East that trades for Amare or Bosh is an instant contender. Give Philly a healthy Amare and trade Brand and they are a contender. This team is content with just being #4 seed, which is what you will see this year. Hawks will finish #4 again and lose in 2nd round. This roster with its resigned FAs has NO SHOT of beating one of the top 3 teams — but that’s okay as long as everyone here sees an improved record

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BIG BROTHER RAY who would you trade for amar’e and please dont say josh?
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BIG BROTHER RAY you cant tell me that this team cant contend for a title.
STARTE JAMAL, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, AMAR’E OR BOSH.
BENCH TEAGUE, FLIP, MOE, WILCOX, ZAZA.
RESERVE WEST, SOLO.
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Any team in the top 8 in the East that trades for Amare or Bosh is an instant contender.

How many times does this plan have to fail before fans realize that this approach doesn’t work! Didn’t work for Milwaukee last year bring in Richard Jefferson, Shaq to Phoenix. Elton Brand to Philly, A.I. to Detroit, Byron Davis to the Clippers, Kid to Dallas, Kenyon Martin pre-Billups to Denver, Jason Richardson to the Bobcats, Zach Randolf to the Clippers or Knicks, Tracy Macgrady to the Rockets, Eddie Curry To the Knicks etc. S

So please stop all of these nonsense post claiming that we can only become contenders if completely change the roster that won 47 games while being the youngest team in the playoffs even with our numerous injuries during the season and post season!

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Volman I don’t have time to post under other peoples names.

Why are we trying to sign Bibby? That dude was on his last leg last year. He can’t play defense and he’s too slow to drive past someone. He can hit a every now and then but other than that he’s washed up. What are the Hawks thinking? They need to get their priorities straight.

Speaking of priorities I thought signing big men was a priority going into the off season. Instead all the Hawks want to do is sign point guards. What’s wrong with this picture?

The Hawks are setting themselves up for another second round debacle. Your guards can throw up as many shots as they want but championships are won by getting stops on the defensive end. And with the front line we has last year stops were hard to come by. So what makes you think it gonna be any different if we bring back the same front line next year.

In the last paragraph I mention the word championship. With the way Sund has gone about free agency the past 2 years its hard to believe he wants to put a team together that can compete for one. Making the playoffs is OK for some fans but Clyde wants a ring for his Atlanta Hawks.

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Aroise i have to disagree you horford is good on the boards we no that but when it come to defense josh is better, we always point the finger at josh but no player on this team give more weakside help than josh and a lot of the time that leave him out of position, so is that joshes fault no everybody have to step up to the plate and do there job on defense.
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Do you guys truly believe that Sund & the ASG don’t want to win a championship?

All I hear is we need Amare or Bosh – WTF has either of them done to help their current teams win a title? The answer is nothing!!

Amare played with 2 All-Stars (Nash & Marion) & couldn’t get to the finals. I don’t believe Bosh has ever been to the 2nd round (could be wrong).

This is Sund’s 2nd season as GM. Do you realize it took the great Pat Riley 11 seasons as GM/Coach to bring Miami to the finals? Do you think he only wanted to win the title in his 11th season?

How about this Lakers team – Kobe, Shaq, Malone & Payton. 4 perennial All-stars/Hall of Fame players. Did they win the title? Hell no. Just because you trade for an All-star doesn’t guarantee shyt!

I’m not saying the ASG couldn’t have done things better/differently but you guys are really out in left field with some of your stances.

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Why do we need a 7′0 footer we have one in randolph morris.
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It’s good to hear the Hawks and Bibby are close on a deal. He made such an improvement on this team when he came here and that should mean something even in todays business world. Or at least is should?

Childress, sign and trade seems likely. He a great talent and seemingly a good kid. Wish we could have found a way to keep him but now getting something for nothing seems reasonable.

I don’t see the Hawks making any major moves other than to resign some of their own which in the case of Bibby and ZaZa is major in my opinion but I’m still hopeful for an Amare and Smith trade that shocks the world.

Hope we find a way to keep Marvin Williams. I was slow to warm up to this guy but watching how much he improved last year I’m convinced he is more valuable to this franchise than Smith. Not that he has more talent and not that Smith wont prove to be a really good NBA player but Williams seems to do many thing WELL not just a couple of things great like Smith.

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I think it was a 3 year deal that Chills signed, and that each year he has the option to opt-out by July 15th. I think it averaged around 9 or 10 mil./yr. — so would he play in the states for 6 mil.? I think he may have the ‘cultural thing’ out of his system & is probably concerned about safety issues – and would like to be back in the good ole USA. Who knows? — would the Hawks match a 7 or 8 mil./yr. deal?

– Camby, Chandler, Amare, Bosh – add one of these guys and we might be able to play with the big boys.
– I would like to see Marvin on the team this year, unless he were used to aquire one of the afore mentioned players. I really feel that he is ready to bust loose.
– I could see giving Bibby 7/yr. for 2 yrs. or 6/yr. for 3 yrs.. I could also see someone like Jack at PG until Teague is ready.
– JJ should not be considered ‘untouchable’ since his contract is up next year – Crawford could play 2 if need be. In fact, I don’t believe anyone, including Josh Smith, should be considered untouchable.

My problem with working a deal for one of the ‘quality bigs’ is that we give up a lot for a one year rental. Sekou – do you think it’s even realistic to think any those guys would sign a new deal, or would they all want to wait a year and be unrestricted?

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Co-sign jhan.

Interesting that the Dallas article mentions us as contacting Gortat – good to know Sund is at least looking. My hope is that now he’ll lock up Zaza with a slightly-above-midlevel contract offer. But yeah, he’d better move PDQ.

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Ray,

Too many of them? Most NBA teams are owned by groups, including several of the contenders – in fact, the Celtics and Pistons both have ownership groups bigger than ours. And it’s not like we were contending for titles when Ted Turner owned the franchise. Ask Paul Allen how many Finals appearances he’s had. And those are the two richest team owners in NBA history.

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Darrell,
We need a seven footer who can actually perform more, not just a body inside averaging 2 fouls and a turnover a game (don’t quote me on those stats, but they seem reasonably legit). Short of Randolph making some very big improvements and proving his worth in the Summer camps and leagues, he may be an expendable piece in that inevitable “Sign and Trade” scenario everybody has Marvin Williams assumed for. It’s either that or find a strong, girth filled body to take the banging inside and dish it out, whom Chris Wilcox could be that person. The worth of a 7′ center comes from looking at some of the simpler losses we took this season, ones where our post presence was slim to nil, even when players weren’t in foul trouble (Our games against New Jersey, Boston, the Cleveland series at times). I’d just as soon have somebody a little shorter who has the skills to create second chances and defend the post from the other threats, but in this game, size is a difference maker, and an inch can turn into a mile if used properly…Stakes is High…You know them Stakes is High….

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LIKE i say why in the world would you pay gortat 6mill or even 5mill a year when the guy average 3.2 pts and 4 rebounds a game is it because he 7′0 foot tall like i say we need player who can play.
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Niremetal,

Do you really want to compare those two organizations with ours? Really? I didn’t say we should have only one owner, that’s just what you thought I was thinking. By the way, if I asked Paul Allen or Ted Turner how many Finals appearances they had, they’d probably say just as many as the ASG. Yep. And uh, who do you think is doing a better job of building their team into a contender right now, us or Portland? Be honest…

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Why not give randolph morris 5mill or 6mill he 7′0 foot tall.
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I like the banter on the blog. Great stuff guys and very entertaining.

I am in agreement with the idea that if Chills doesn’t want to play here then S&T him if possible. I am a little skeptical with doing the business with the Bucks. What of vakue do they really have? If we are going to sign Bibby then Jack and Sessions are out of play. Gadzuric is not the answer. His career numbers are 15.5MPG/.509%/4.6RPG/0.9BPG and 5PPG. Are those numbers worth it? I don’t think so. Maybe the Clippers is the better team to do the business with. They have more pieces. Hopefully we can dump RandMo in the mix for Camby.

My wish is to get Camby. I’d love to get Zaza and Camby on the bench. If we have Camby we can do some stuff in the playoffs. If not forget it, we’ll just be going through the motions, especially with the changes the Big 3 are making. Sheed to Boston, Shaq to Cavs and possibly Artest or Ariza. Not sold on the Orlando move unless they add another piece.

As usual the Hawks are moving at their usual pace………slow and deliberate!!!!!!

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Ray,

You’re making my point for me. As I often do, I just was using your post as a leaping-off-point for an issue that I’ve repeatedly seen come up on this blog. My point is this” It’s not about how many owners the teams have or even who owns the team. It’s about how well the team is run. But those are two separate issues.

People need to get past the ownership group. You might not have said it, but lots of people have expressed a desire that the Hawks be purchased by a sole owner, be it McDavid, Turner, or Arthur Blank. But the mere fact that a group of people own the team instead of a sole owner doesn’t mean anything. You can have teams that do really well under sole owners (Lakers) or really badly (Clippers; Warriors, although their owner got other investors back in ‘05) and everywhere in between. Same with ownership groups. You have sole owners who let the GMs handle everything (Leslie Alexander), and sole owners that poke their nose into every decision (Cuban) and everything in between. Same with ownership groups.

The Knicks are owned by a conglomerate. They have the highest payroll in basketball. They also suck, because all the money in the world can’t make up for a series of GMs who didn’t know what they hell they were doing. Now that Walsh is on board, we’ll see if they do better.

We can argue all day about which category the Hawks fall into. We have no clue how much ASG influences/interferes with Sund’s decisionmaking. If they’re being too nosy and Gearon thinks he’s Cuban, that makes a difference. But the fact that the ASG is an ownership group – that there are “too many of them” – doesn’t mean jack.

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Ray, you can to give Portland some credit but they have been HANDED (one by us, one by the mockery…excuse me, lottery) two studs in Roy and Oden.

I’ll give them credit for the Aldridge trade and acquiring some talent like Rudy Fernandez…but honestly what else have they done? They got a bunch of draft picks one year…but not really anything else.

Seriously, the Hawks handed them Roy and the NBA handed them Oden. What else have they done?

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Volman, don’t hate. I believe the T’Wolves, Chicago & Boston actually/literally did more to help Portland than we ever did.

Roll the recall link
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Trail_Blazers_Land_Brandon_Roy-183312-1177.html

BWAF

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For Bibby, I’d give him 7 to 8 Million over two years with a team option or even a player option for a third at 5 Million (about 20 Mill over three seasons). We aren’t going to find a veteran like him in the works for a few more years, short of extending an offer to Rip Hamilton and giving him the reigns to run thangs (not a horrible idea if Bibby negotiations fall through, but unlikely if anybody else is willing to sign him on the double, as we’re only on the single), there is no better PG to use as a role model for developing young players like Teague than Bibby (except Derek Fisher, but that’s just me dreaming). Teague should learn tons from him and even Jamal, and if Woody were to start taking some ideas from his players and start teaching how to properly run a pick and roll offense, things could become very interesting in Atlanta over the next few seasons. That, of course, depends on whether Woody would accept that notion, and short of a major breakthrough this season, this will be his last (Breakthrough = 50 wins minimum + Not getting swashbuckled out of the 2nd round of the playoffs + No Woody and Josh beef, NONE). Bibby is our best bet, and if we resign him quickly enough, let him, Josh and Al go to a few three-on-three competitions and build up a stronger rapport between each other: there should be alley-oops all over the place with those three around, and are a staple to even maintaing Phillips as “The Highlight Factory”.

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Sund i think chill would like phoenix it would be closer to home for him.
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terrell, remember that the scale provides for 8% raises each year for a free agent this is not your own. CV will probably make less than $7 mil this next season if that contract has those raises in it. By the last year he will make over 9 mil.

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Here’s a little rant on the Blazers. Love them, but honestly don’t think that they’re any closer to a title than we are talent-wise. I honestly have seen enough of both JJ and Roy to say that they are very close talent-wise. Same with Aldridge and Horford (the big difference is how many touches each gets). I’d take Josh over pretty much anyone that I haven’t mentioned yet except Oden (who fell into their laps, as jhan pointed out) and I’d take Marvin over Outlaw (mainly because Outlaw is two years older but still gives almost zero effort on D). The only difference is that McMillan uses a deeper rotation and an offense that features TONS of ball movement on offense.

And have we mentioned Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, or Darius Miles? Yeesh.

I keep remembering the Blazers teams from around the turn of the decade with huge payrolls, several former or future All-Stars, and a decent coach (Dunleavy) that never seemed to be able to put it all together. I honestly don’t know yet that McMillan is the kind of coach that can lead a team to a title. I think he’s great at developing young players of all stripes, but he didn’t make adjustments against the Rockets at all. Battier and Artest cut off the usual passing lanes, and they had no answer for the give-and-go offense that Adelman used.

I’d take McMillan over Woody any day during the regular season – his style of offense and use of a deep bench could have made us a 52+ win team, I think. But he looked just as overmatched as Woody in the playoffs.

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Rod, didn’t know people your age said LOL.

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Niremetal,

Ahh you may be correct young Jedi, but how many things have I said that were right. Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t Everyone mean (All). So if someone on here told me they agree with me then your statement would be false counselor. You just lost you first case. Practice young jedi! Practice! See how easy it is to make a false statement. Again this might be the dumbest statement of the year:

“He (Chills), Horford, and Marvin are the only solid players we’ve had in the past few years who are willing to give up a shot at gaudier stat lines to help the team win.” Niremetal

I we were in court, I would prove you wrong in so many ways that your head would spin. So according to you statment, Joe, Josh Bibby, Flip were not solid players. You got a long way to go. Maybe you should reconsider and become a CAPOLOGIST. You wouldn’t last a day in the Fulton county courthouse with stupid statements like that.

Let me make my own quote,

“He who thinks he knows it all, really knows nothing.”

Rod from College Park

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If Sheed goes to Boston, they are once again at the top of the East, especially if KG is healthy. Sund talks about us closing the gap, so I hope we get ZaZa back, along with another productive big, and a starting PG.

I dont mind Bibby as our starter. I just dont want Woody playing him too many minutes. Lets face it. If Bibby is not hitting shots, he is almost useless, but Woody still plays him 36 minutes per game regardless. Cut his minutes down to 24-28 (unless he is playing well). Give Crawford and Teague some if his minutes.

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Im gonna say it again if the Hawks dont get a real center none of this matters. We will win 40 games and be out in the 1st or 2nd round

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Trade him for tyson chandler, Chandler at center Horford at power and Smith at small. Now thats a front line that can win the playoffs baby. I mean all of them are under 26 years of age thats a front line for the at least the next 3 years. wow If only i made the decisions.

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Samuel with that post i dont need to say anything else it really dont get any clearer than that sir. Your right on it. LOL

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Rod from CP,
I like your quote, though i think several, maybe every, eastern philosophy has a variation on it, so no points for originality, but bonuses in usage make up for it….

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[...] are that Josh Childress who played overseas last season with the Greek power Olympiakos, will be in Milwaukee to visit with the Bucks. Childress has a clause in his contract that allows him to opt out at the end of every season-in [...]

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Nire,

Of all the 4 bigs you mentioned, only one I would like to see as a Hawk is Marcus Camby. If Hawks are looking for a legit center on a 1 year rental, then I will take Camby over Bosh, Amare or Chandler simply because Camby brings a strong defensive presence that the other three do not. Maybe Chandler to some extent, but Marcus is the most refined and professional of the bunch. Bosh and Amare score better, but I don’t like those two guys because Amare has health problem, does not play a lick of defence, I do not think he is loyal to his employers and Bosh is soft as butter. Imagine Camby, Josh and Horford blocking shots left, right and center? Crazy, dude. And Ray made a good point. If Amare was so great, how come the Suns did not do better with him AND Shaq? And how come there are no takers for his services so far? Huh?

BrittishAnger,

Good point. Teague cannot ask for a better teacher/role model than Bibby. I thought that would happen with Bibby and Acie Law, but we all know how that went.

Rod from College Park,

That was funny as hell.

Yeah, Hawks better snap up Zaza quick. If Hawks can resign all their free agents including Zaza and find another back up big, then I would be satisfied with the off season.

Go, Hawks, Go!

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ARTEST TO LA!!!! WTF IS GOING ON!!!!!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303679

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Niremetal,

Yes, the number of owners is not the issue when talking about ALL teams and franchises. But it is in OUR case. Within months, the huge group managed a split with it’s biggest partner. Clearly one too many egos. That’s all I have to say about that.

As for Portland, they have managed assets better than we have, by and large, and in recent years. They may not be any closer to a title than we are, but we’re also not in the West. I know a lot of people scoff at that remark, saying that the East is pretty good. Then they bend over and start talking with their hineys when the conversation begins to compare the Hawks to other Eastern Teams. Suddenly, the East is just not that good, and there is no reason to think that anybody other than the Big Three is any sort of threat. Heh….

As for McMillan, I wouldn’t compare what he faced to what Woody faced. McMillan gets to go against Poppovich, Jackson, Sloan, Adelman, and even guys like Karl…on a regular basis. And let’s not conveniently leave out the veterans that Houston had. How do you suppose we’d fare against Artest and Battier (a player you have a particular appreciation for, do you not?). And Yao? Give me a break. We’d have been swept. Between Battier and Artest, JJ would have been lucky to average double figures in that series, particularly with the “offense” that Woody runs.

Look, I’m a Hawk fan for sure, but Portland is on a better track. They’re young, but all they have to do is mix the right veterans in with their developing youngsters, and they’ll make strides. Sure, Oden fell to them. But also look at what they’ve done with their picks, and who they’ve gotten other teams to trade to them.

Have we done that? Finally, here’s the worst of it all: We drafted Sheldon. They drafted Roy. ‘Nuff said.

Not a Blazer fan. But damn do I wish we had done some of the things they did. Oh well, spilled milk and all…

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Jhan,

Yes I am capable. If I was not I would not be able to respond to you. The statement is false in so many ways, that was only 1 way. So if his statement was true then why did we win 47 games this year or take Boston to 7 last year. Was it really because Horford, Marvin and Chills, gave up a shot at gaudier stats? I would argue that it was not. Trust me I know exactly what he was saying, that’s the point. Maybe it’s over your head. You just joined the Circus also. Ringling Brothers.

Another quote:

“In order to understand how one comprehends, you must understand how one thinks.” 1+1 does not always equal 2.

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Artest to L.A., huh? The rich get richer. Ariza is a cooked goose, but I’d hold onto Odom if I was L.A.

I don’t fret when I see moves like this. We’re not anywhere near a level yet where we can worry about things like this. We’re just not. And we’re not in the West, so why get all bound up? Besides, big time players like that want a ring. They can’t get it here right now, no matter how bad we or they want it.

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So now Shaq want’s to win a ring for King James? I seem to recall him saying the same thing when he went to the Suns, win a ring for Nash and Amare, how Amare was the future, blah the blah the blah. These days, Amare isn’t looking like much as far as I am concerned. Let’s hope Shaq has better success in Cleveland with LeBron.

Well, maybe Hawks fans do not want that project to work!

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Blast,

That’s one reason Amare doesn’t do it for me as much as he does some others. He and Shaq couldn’t get that team any damn where. Why? I know Stoudamire is more of a run and gun type while Shaq is the halfcourt juggernaut, but come on.

Meanwhile we’re talking about possibly re-signing Bibby and waiting to see if anybody wants Zaza, while musing whether or not we can do a S&T with Josh Childress. Oh joy….

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Jhan,

LOL….

Wabe,

I think the Lakers knew they were going to get Artest, and let Ariza hang himself. Meanwhile Ariza had no clue what was going on….MLE or not, he was a goner unless he signed what they wanted him to sign. Now all they have to do is keep Lamar Odom. While it’s never even remotely wise to say this, shall we just have a new set of championship rings made up for them….for NEXT year?

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I GUESS IF YOU CAN’T BEAT EM’……JOIN EM’. THATS HOW THE SAYING GOES ANYWAY LOL!!!

NOW I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO RE-SIGN FLIP AND EVERYONE ELSE BACK NOW…..WE’D GET RAPED BY THE FLAKERS IF WE DIDN’T. NOBODY HAS MORE MOCSI ON OUR SQUAD THAN FLIP….

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* that Woody would have done better.

Heh. He sure as hell wouldn’t have done better…

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SOON is not soon enough to get Zaza signed!!! Stay up all night Hawks Brass. GET THIS DONE!!!

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“3 yrs 18 million for Artest w/Lakers.

Honestly, IMO, that just made Ariza look like a bonehead.”

The first thing that occurred to me actually was that it makes Joe Dumars look like a bonehead. Charlie Villanueva is now getting paid more than Artest over a longer period of time, and he is definitely not a better player.

And it looks like the Celtics are trying to sign Sheed with the mid-level. If players of the caliber of Artest and Sheed are going for $6 million per year, the Hawks should be able to lock up Bibby for somewhere around that amount and have space left over to keep Zaza and Marvin and add another quality free agent.

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True Najeh.

That’s what I was gonna say. Bibby supporters in here gotta love how things are shaping out to be on the market.

I see two parties walking away from this as fools. Either Ariza or the Cavs. I think the Cavs realize they aren’t a lock to win anything as of yet, and would overpay to aquire someone like Ariza at this point because they’re D E S P E R A T E.

I think Dumars just wanted to lock up the guys he was high on – Gordon and Villanueva – and just threw them the money. I think he saw Villanueva as a player that many teams showed interest in, so he made sure he offered him something just to reach an agreement and get him off the market. Who knows? Another day and Villanueva might’ve been elsewhere.

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Per Realgm, Trevor Ariza to sign with the Houston Rockets.

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Well it seems as if free agency is turning out to be anything but predictable, so lets try this on for size for our home town team, if chills wants back in the NBA, lets go ahead and do a sign and trade with the clippers sending Chills and Mo Evans to the clippers for either Kaman or Camby,do this only if the hawks can not sign rasheed wallace. Second sign Bibby, Zsa Zsa, Marvin, and Grant Hill as the new backup to play the SG and SF. And then if there is anything left go after McDyess. These moves put the Hawks closer to the top 3 while distancing themselves from the bottom four. Flip seems to be the odd man out but look for him in chicago since they lost ben gordon.

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it’s funny how when I mentioned getting players like Artest, Sheed and AI. Some people here always bring up their “baggage” but winners like Boston and LA could give a dam. The Lakers got a steal and so will Boston.

I think Shaq will definately make Cleveland better. Will it bring a ring, not sure. They need a good PF I believe. Actually, I think Lebron should play more PF but it probably won’t happen. It’s not a very glamorous and exciting position. Can’t exactly be the “Chosen One” at PF, huh?

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Looks like my post @ 9:12 is moot since Ariza has agreed to terms with Houston. You’ve got to give Sund credit on knowing to wait and let all the chips fall. I’m not sure if there is another team that has the need for a player like ZaZa and available cap space that can promise the kind of playing time he would get here. I would speculate the Hawks can get him with a multi-year deal paying between $5.5-6.5 million/year.

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Everyone be patient with Sund, he did do a GENIUS move by bringing in Crawford for freakin Speedy and Law, then Teague was a great selection.

To add to it, we won more games W/O Childress and with the additions of Mo and Flip…….

Crawford is about to help this team be much better, heck even the players are excited about him.

I’ll take Marvin over Ariza any day!!

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NIREMETAL,

durin’ the draft, i suggested that the hawks would pick tyler hansbrough, to placate the white fan base and you ripped me a new one.

the thrashers have done the exact same thing by pickin’ evander kane, who is black, with their 1st pick of the nhl draft. holla atcha yo’ boy!!

today, more than ever, you have to reach out beyond your current fan base and bring in more people. even nascar is reachin’ out to hispanics and blacks.

GET WIT’ IT NIREMETAL!! YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY!!

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ant, i’m sorry, but who cares as long as their good PPL? I JUS WANNA WIN!!!!!!!

I for one hate that their alwas has to be a “token black guy” or “Token White Guy” to “Token Miority Dude”

Why can’t we just be?….AND WIN!!!!!!!!

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Hedu and Ariza BOTH look like foolsright now lol. Squandering chances to win championchips in order to get paid befor the 2010 frenzy. It wasn’t like they weren’t getting paid decent money already. As a result, I don’t see either being on a Title team in the coming years….

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do you think we be able to get Lamar Odom if he doesn’t return to LA? I would keep Bibby, Zaza, and Flip and it be nice to get Childress back on the team then our bench would be very good.

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Also sounds like the chances of retaining Bibby are looking alot better today than they were a couple days back…

Resigning Marvin at a cheaper price would ultimately mean more cap room to try and retain Bibby, and I don’t see him finding another home that would give him anything better than Sund will. But I’ve been wrong about practically everything up to this point, and wouldn’t doubt different circumstances tomorrow.

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I wanted to also add on to a statement made earlier about how much guys are signing for…

It’s not that some GMs are being dumb for the amount of money they are offering players. The rules of the game in FA means that you may overpay for a need. The noticeable difference with this years free agency is that guys are willing to take a cut in pay if it means winning and possibly playing for a championship. Why the Hawks wont use this to their advantage makes me scratch my head but I’ll continue to wait to see what our moves are going to be…

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LOL @ Skip Bayless on twitter…

“The Lakers basically just traded Ariza for Artest, who’ll make less than Ariza wanted. Steal! First Pao, now this. Kupchak, bum to genius.”

“In Houston, Ariza just another decent player. This is 4th team in 5 yrs. Kobe made him look lot better than really is. Rockets crash-landing”

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In all reality,

I SEE ! Z E R O ! FA AQUISITIONS FOR THE HAWKS THIS OFFSEASON.

I think it’s becoming more evident by each passing day that Sund’s first priority – and maybe only priority – will be to retain the guys we have. Names are starting to disappear (even though the Hawks didn’t have a realistic shot at any of these guys), and I don’t think too many players are looking at ATL as a premier destination, at least not when there are title contenders and other attractive teams focusing in on some of the same FA’s the Hawks MAY be speaking to.

2 days into the FA period, and there’s little to no activity on behalf of Sund and company, at least none that I’ve heard of. I’m not trying to sound like I’m complaining – just saying – it may be time for some bloggers who are looking for an aggressive FA period from the Hawks to face the facts…

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Wabe, as long as we sign all of our core guys back, and add a Big like Verejao or Frye, then i’m good.

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have we ever used our mle or our bi-annual exception? someone enlighten me here. I would love to get Milwaukee’s pick next year for chills because they are going to suck. Don’t let them lotto protect it and i will give chills right in a heartbeat. Diogu is a player that I would love for the hawks to bring in as a backup.

Any love for David Andersen by the hawks or another team in a trade?

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I would stay away from Tyson Chandler. He is vastly overpaid and stays hurt. I think he has a back issue right now. I would stay away from a big man who has a bad back. He might be damaged goods. I think these signings help us a lot. We might get guys locked up for cheaper than we thought.

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If we get Pachulia back add Bass or Frye to the bench. I would love all 3 and get rid of RandyMo

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What are ppl smoking??? Nobody’s giving up a 1st rounder or a stud player for childress! The Luke Walton deal has been the closes thing to realistic that I’ve seen. But Luke wouldn’t really get that nuch tick for us. Is there any info about us & Andy V talks? Do the Hawks have any interest in Lamar Odem? Wallace seems like he’s gonna sign with Boston, Gortat’s going to Dallas, & I don’t thin antonio’s coming here either. I say we go hard after Andy or Lamar & Resign Zaza, & then conclude by picking either flip or Bibby. We could also pursue Drew Gooden, Chris Birdman Anderson, Brandon Bass, & Channing Frye. But if those don’t work then there’s Chris Wilcox, Melvin Ely, Chris Mihm, & also Theo Rattlif just in case Zaza walks.

& as far as Chill goes, trade him to Clevland for Daniel Gibson & if they won’t go for that Darnell Jackson & a 2cnd rounder in next years draft.
Lakers – for Adam Morrison or Luke Walton & a 2cnd rounder in next years draft.
Clippers – DeAndre Jordan & a 2cnd rounder in next years draft.

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“In all reality,

I SEE ! Z E R O ! FA AQUISITIONS FOR THE HAWKS THIS OFFSEASON.”

Possibly, but you have to remember that the Hawks, Cavs, and Magic have already made their big acquisitions prior to free agency. So when you see teams like the Lakers, Pistons and Celtics making their splash now, keep that in mind. If the Hawks retain last year’s team with the exception of having replaced Flip with Crawford, that is a significant step up which should put them over the 50 win mark barring injury.

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And anyway, I think the Hawks may actually be better served to acquire a couple of cheaper, less heralded players instead of trying to make a big splash. I could see Sund rounding out the roster with players like Leon Powe, Jamaal Magloire, maybe even Theo Ratliff — players who can still play some quality minutes in spurts and would probably cost somewhere around what Flip cost last year.

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I know that’s true, but i’s still rather have him on the bench. He’s great, and what if the J-Crawford experiment doesn’t work? Flip would be a great fail-safe plan…

I…..guess i’m a Flip fan…..lol

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Sekou,

Why won’t the Hawks consider bringing over David Andersen? I saw some of his games and the guy is a beast with a reliable jumper and good post moves. I hope the Hawks don’t let him sleep away.

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Anderson Varejao all the way!!! He brings the energy and size we are Looking for! Plus think about the chip on his shoulder towards Cleveland for letting him go! Him and Zaza would Be enough for any team to handle along with Horford and Smith that would be nice!

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Verejao didn’t get LET GO lol, he opted out of the finaly year of a three-year deal. He was slated to make arund 6.4million this upcoming season. If he wants much more than the WE probably can’t sign him.

I think it’s better if we go after either Brandon Bass or Channing Frye…..both will play for MLE money or lower for sure.

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we got thomas gardner,and othello hunter..
and we got randolph morris..don’t think these guys won’t make an impact,(if they get playing time),because they can and will…

gardner is a spot up shooter at SG..good defensive player,great court vision and an excellent passer..
othello will be a mini”DWIGHT HOWARD”..and an excellent passer for a big man,great court awareness,but not a great one on one defensive player yet..very good helpside defensive player,and a dangerous open court player and a very strong finisher!!

and,randolph will be a serviceable center,but he is not a starter..

those are the 3 bench players,who will be a year better,and will make an impact with playing time..

we will regret letting acie go..trust me

trade childress,he knows that woody won’t get us where we need to be..come on yall,he’s a stanford man!!he knows!!

roster:
crawford/teague PG
joe/gardner/ SG
marvin/evans SF
smoove/othello hunter PF
horford/morris C

SIGN:
ANTONIO MCDYESS,MAKE HIM STARTING CENTER-MOVE AL TO PF,SMITH TO SF,BRING WILLIAMS OFF THE BENCH..

MCDYESS/MORRIS CENTER
SMOOVE/WILLIAMS SF
HORFORD/HUNTER PF
CRAWFORD/TEAGUE PG
JOE/GARDNER SG

IF WE CAN ADD THEO RATLIFF AS A 3RD CENTER,THAT WOULD BE NICE..
AND SIGN WES MATTHEWS AS A ROOKIE FREE AGENT THAT WOULD BE BETTER..

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Let’s dream a minute:

Would the Nets entertain this trade? We send Chills, Mo Evans, and Morris for D. Harris and J. Hayes? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock….

I didn’t think so!!!

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Thanks for that info CTrim.

Lookin more and more like BIBBY WILL BE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m excited about that. But will be less excited if we start the season and see Teague get no PT. Get the guy into the NBA game early and often.

Someone said it, I could see a 9/10 player rotation if WOODY figures out how to utilize the players he has.

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Melvin,

I would take the Bucs #1 pick next year for Chills right now!

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Hoops,

If the pick is not going to be protected (which I doubt), that would be my 2nd option. I would rather bring the Fro back to the A-Town… I prefer Chills playing behind Marvin than Mo…

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Sekou, I’ve seen Atlanta Spirit willing to spend more money than normal on the Thrashers this year (which I like), are they going to at least spend up to the luxury tax threshold? Also, I read in the Philly paper that Bibby wants 10 million a year. I like the guy and think he is a good fit for what we have, but that seems like too much – because we have to keep Zaza. Also, are they going to try to extend JJ before he hits the huge open market next season? If he goes and we can’t bring in one of the other big names, it would seem like starting all over again..

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From HoopsWorld:

Bibby And Hawks: Mike Bibby and the Atlanta Hawks have exchanged some contract ideas and sources close to the situation say they are making progress towards a deal. The Philadelphia 76ers apparently reached out to gauge Bibby’s interest and were turned away. Sources near the situation say Bibby’s camp made it clear Mike wants to return to Atlanta and the Hawks seem like they will meet Mike’s price. The belief is that the framework of a deal is in place and that Bibby and the Hawks are working through length of deal and any exit clauses. The source warned that nothing is done until its done, but said the Hawks have handled this negotiation well and they believe Bibby will be re-signed in the coming days.

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VOLMAN,

you are right. we will let sund do his thing. i am sure that he will be very shrewd. there is a espn article outlining 15 of the worst contracts against a team’s cap space and NONE of them were hawks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=capkillingcontracts-090630

i do appreciate sund not havin’ us hamstrung to some horrible contracts.

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[...] Suicide lines: Celtics offer ‘Sheed deal; Iverson to the Heat? Journal Constitution    Josh Childress is back on the free agent market, sort of! Ken Berger   Gordon revisited: Sign-and-trade for Iverson?- FanHouse     Artest in L.A. Could [...]

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CHILDRESS WILL BE A HAWK THIS YEAR.SO WILL LAMAR ODOM

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I told y’all, If you paid attention to Bibbys carreer, you’d know that’s the type of guy he is. I honestly think he stayed in Sacramento a few more years than he should have….

First of all, I STILL think Flip wil be back. I mean he only made 1.5 mill last season…..THATS A BIG TALEN FOR SUCH LITTLE MONEY; and flip doesn’t really care all that much about $$$…I think he’ll be back. Everybody’s not gonna get PT all the time, but when we’re playing the lakers next season, and Artest is shutting down Joe and and Kobe is putting the Clamps on Crawford with three minutes left in the game…..we’re gonna need another goon/stud to get the job done….I just hope we have enough sense to keep this guy.

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birdman would be a good fit but im sure denver wont wanna let let him go .. Hawks have 2 resign bibby no question about it ..I like chills to come back but dont seem like he wants to so tha hell wit him..Morris could play but he didnt get much time on tha court last year so i doubt he can do much.. Go get a big atlanta b4 there all gone.. trade chills for sum big like gadzuric that would help wit tha defense and allow tha hawks 2 run the floor a lil more then have set plays for Joe as usual..

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Sekou:

Your 4 Moves?

C’mon, man…still waiting!

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If Josh Smith would work on hitting the 15 to 20 foot jumpshot consistently, I think his game would go to the next level.

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ant, sund is not responsible for the contract situation the hawks now have. it is billy knight that gets credit for that. he stepped around those contracts and i am sure if you look at it there were a lot of screams because he didnt get it done on those very contracts that are now in question. sund is doing his job well now it seems and we will see what he delivers this summer as he cant sit back and observe anymore. he was one for two last year and it is still possible he will pull the rabbitt out of the hat on the second one to make it a twofer. like the draft and like the crawford move so he is two for two this off season, not bad. give cred where it is deserved, he has nothing to really do with the current contract situation.

also stick to basketball. i dont know if you rally know that much about the subject but you are passionate. you know absolutely nothing about the thrashers and kane. he was the fourth best option for any team to get in the hockey draft. if it gets you to a game then so be it, but i hope it puts hockey into the viable situation here in atlanta as it can only help the hawks. kane is legit and will possibly be there this year as a young forward, not because he was black but because of his skill level.

jhan is verbose and clyde is making paragraphs. man the intensity into the third day of free agency is really high.

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anybody believing we are making a run at lamar odom must be smokin somethin. he wont leave la and will take less money to stay there

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Terrell,

I thought I was cheering for Murray coming in, but now I’m finding myself pulling for Roddick. Good to see him back on his game and challenging for a title…this match is gonna be a marathon, though.

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PS, if you want to watch the match live, here ’tis. NBC is showing it from the start instead of live:
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-wimbledon.html

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Sekou has just reoprted that the Houston Rockets have set their sights on ZAZA!!!!

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LOL, guess sekou beat me to the punch lol!!

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Childress for Gadzuric(spelling) + ZaZa and anyone of the 4 mentioned above(Frye, Bass, McDycee or Wilcox) and we make a serious improvement.

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Sund ain’t got his priorities straight. This waiting game ain’t gonna work. He’s lucky Jsmoove didn’t leave last year when he was dragging his feet. We need an aggressive GM that’s gonna get the job done.

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We are going to end up with Horford, Solo and R. Morris.

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I’m gonna let you guys see what I wrote Marc Stien on Twitter Hehehehe…

Last summer you reported that Josh Smith would not resign with the Hawks unless Mike Woodson was not the coach. This was false and Hawks fans knew it as soon as you reported it. Not only did you make Josh smith look like a spoiled little kid to his Current and potential future employers, but you didn’t even give a formal apology. You just got on T.V and said that what you reported was false. I believe this was very classless. How about:

“I’m sorry for not making sure my facts are legit before I spread rumors about Josh smith and potentially ruined his marketability and future business endeavors”

“I apologize to the Hawks organization, their fans and Josh smith for causing this awkward misunderstanding”

Yes we Hawks fans were VERY UPSET about this, and the fact that you didn’t even own up to your mistake on television. How do you think Josh felt about having to talk to coach Woodson about how false YOUR REPORTED RUMOR WAS??? That would suck if I had to explain to my boss that what he heard on television wasn’t true. B-ball players have it hard enough with the Media as it is. How would you like to always have someone spreading rumors to you work colleagues about you? Potentially getting you fired?

I would really appreciate it if in the future that you really did your homework before reporting things like that. Us Hawks fans would really appreciate it. You guys at ESPN always disrespect us, and our players by spreading false information. I know the Hawks aren’t the “hot topic” to talk about on ESPN but it’s the least you could do. Instead of just making something up b/c you don’t think the Hawks are important and just want to have something to report. I’ll give you a “LEGIT” hawks source…even though you could care less. He’s the beat writer for the hawks and if he hasn’t reported it, then it probably isn’t true…(Enter Sekou’s Twitter Address here)

I sincerely hope that you take to heart what I have said and use it in the future. I would be greatly appreciated.

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Anyone else watching the live feed of Roddick-Murray?? MAN this match is for real…

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nire, i’m about to follow your link now.

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BRILLIANT match by Roddick. Oh man…Britain keeps suffering at Wimbledon.

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Wasn’t that something, Ariose? Man, I thought for sure that one was going five sets the way they were playing.

Ray,

I was thinking about Kurt Thomas too. If we could snag him and a future pick in a sign-and-trade with Chills, that would be a nice pick-up.

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I’d take Thomas and Elson as insurance at center.

If Flip does not re-sign, get Ridnour, he’s an expiring contract and insurance at the point.

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I dunno…Federer’s my boy. He’s cold as ice out on that turf. I wanna see him get #15, but yeah…it would be something to see Roddick add another slam after so much frustration. I probably won’t know who I’m pulling for until the match starts Sunday.

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I would only take two things from the Bucks which would work cap wise #1. A first round pick #2. AMIR JOHNSON

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Definitely – watch the recording, man. You won’t be disappointed.

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Sekou, I agree with Niremetal: how could the Rockets sign Zaza when they have used their mid-level on Ariza? Surely he won’t sign for the veteran minimum, or whatever the low-ball options the Rockets would have left.

Also, I still don’t get Chill and Milwaukee. If they sign him for the mid-level then they will be almost at the luxury tax for a pretty bad team. Anything less than that and the Hawks match. I just don’t see many teams out there ready and willing to spend money, and there are several very good free agents still left (David Lee, Hedo, Millsap, Andre Miller, etc.). And I sure don’t see anyone on Milwaukee’s roster that they would trade for him that the Hawks should have any interest in.

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*Letter lol…

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Turk To the Blazers official Now according to ESPN…

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Portland is going to findout that they should have spent or saved the money they are offering Hedo on another player(s) down the road. Hedo will be 31 this season and by the time Roy, LaMarcus and Oden reach their prime, Hedo would be on declined talent wise. And how are they going to develop Batum with Hedo getting all the mins? What are they going to do with Outlaw? I dont understand why they are so high on Hedo when its going to stunt the growth of their other players along with blowing up their cap space…

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Sekou, see my post @ 10:27 on 7/2. You may want to check with your spies to see what monies outside the MLE that Houston would have to pay ZaZa. I could see San Antonio and possibly Orlando checking with ZaZa to see if there is interest.

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Sam i dont think the Luke Walton trade would be smart LUKE WALTON IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We must shore up the big men in the 2nd stage of free agency (the first stage is obviously going to be our rehiring Bibby and either giving up on Childress or matching an offer and watching him bolt back to Greece). I loved watching Chris Wilcox play in Maryland, and I think he’s got something to bring to the table, though Zaza is a must return because of the grit he brings to the floor anytime we obviously need it (Miami series proved that again). I’m still in the market for picking up Mr. Siler as well, since we can pay him pinto beans as an undrafted, and assuming Solo will be coming back and an assumed rehire of Mr. Pachulia, that is some mean depth in the front court if we were to pick up the two of them (Wilcox and Siler). I’m now actually praying what happened with Josh last summer happens with Marvin this summer, some dumb offer comes across and saves us from actually having to deal with him directly and we can just match it safely. I don’t know who we’d really get in a sign and trade for him, and doubt I’d know until it actually happened, so I’ll argue for the simple alternative and let ka handle that breeze….

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Melvin,

Hedo’s a high-risk move for the Blazers – yet another in an offseason already full of high-risk signings (Artest, Gordon, Hedo) and trades (Shaq, Vince). My guess is that 4 of the previous 5 don’t work out as planned. If I had to put my money on one failing, it would be Shaq to the Cavs; if I had to put my money on one succeeding, it would be Artest to the Lakers (the Zen Master can handle anyone, I think).

And by the way – I’m laughing my ass off at Trevor Ariza. Did he really think he was worth 5 years at $10M per?? What was agent smoking?? If he’d been patient, he might have gotten at least a bit more than the mid-level – and he should have been patient, because his stock will never be higher than it is this offseason.

I’m with Sekou – the Rockets took a step back by basically trading Artest for Ariza. Ariza had a cushy role in LA in an offensive system that gave him a crazy number of open looks. On the bright side, he won’t have to be the featured defender in Houston because Battier is still there…but how on earth do the Rockets think Ariza can replace what Artest brought on either end of the floor?

I’m usually a fan of Morey, but this offseason has me thinking twice. His supposed offer of Battier and Brooks for Rubio, if true, was the first thing that had me wondering what was up. Spending their mid-level on Ariza – instead of re-signing Artest and saving their mid-level to sign a decent big man as insurance for Yao – is just mind-boggling.

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Houston is so far over the cap, if they did sign Zaza, they’d have to do a sign-n-trade with us. I guess we’d want Landry or Hayes, maybe a pick.

I’d love to have Wilcox.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80xYj0nC55U

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztyjo8RPL7s&feature=fvw

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Still some quality bigs out there. We need to sign Pachulia . Wilcox, Frye, Bass, Nestorovich, Hollins. I think they will all be pretty cheap too.

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I gotta hope Iverson goes to Miami, that city just doesn’t have enough room for both him and Wade’s egos.

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Sign Chill and send him to New York for David Lee. Dude’s a beast

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It’s two days into offseason, Clyde. Give me a break. And we traded two pieces of scrap metal for a 20ppg scorer.

You’re in a distinct minority around here in thinking that Horford is a bad center. Last I checked, we finished in the top 10 in points per 100 possessions last year despite our front line missing something like 70 games due to injury. And Horford was only 22 this year.

Same old Clyde. Just admit that you’ll never be satisfied with what the Hawks do. You enjoy whining about them too much.

PS, how’s Sean Williams doing?

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Since Dallas signed Gortat, that implies Brandon Bass should be available. If the Hawks end up with ZaZa and Brandon Bass, I would be okay with that.

Resign Bibby, and SNT Chills, and we could be 10 deep next season.

Sekou,

Any idea who the Hawks have in mind (or are targeting) for front court depth?

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It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong so let me be big right now. I thought there was no way Bibby’s salary demand would be low enough for the hawks to meet and it appears that I was wrong. I guess he really sees something good happening here and wants to be a part of it.

Sekou, I’m guessing that Bibby’s signing probably means the backcourt is set and that Flip Murray won’t return and that’s OK because there wouldn’t be any playing time for him here.

While Childress is that type of player whose value could never be truly appreciated by just looking at stats and as much as I’d like to see him back with the Hawks, I still don’t think it will happen. I wouldn’t read too much into Childress’ meeting in Milwaukee because they are trying to reduce salary. But I would be a little concerned if Chldress meets with Orlando (now that Turkoglu is going to Portland), Houston (even though they’ve signed Ariza) or Toronto (since they have no small forwards) than I am about his meeting with Milwaukee.

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Ai may sign with Memphis

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Y dont you all pick me Garret Siler from Augusta State and bring over Anderson we can be better big man that what you all have now yes i went to a small college but i have size and you can not coach that

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Aroise,
Gladyr looks like a poor man Bobby Sura…

Nire,
I agree, Houston is done…

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Clyde,
Horford’s actually not a bad center. Of the 30 Starting centers in the NBA he’s got to be at least the middle of the pack. Outside of Shaq, D-Howard, Yao, and Duncan,(if you count him) he’s one of the better centers in the league. And he might be undersized, but pound for pound, he is a good post defender and if he could get more touches, he might develop a good post game. He is smart on the court and is fundamentally sound. I think he’s out of position too, but that’s more than you can say for most centers in our league.

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YO DAP01,
U SAID”Woody want PGs that require no coaching or offensive game plan. That helps Woody but it really does not help the Hawks.”

I COULDN’T AGREE WITH U MORE..
I MADE THAT POINT SO MANY TIMES ON THESE HAWKS BLOGS.
WOODY IS NOT A COACHABLE COACH..HE IS ONE WHO SAYS,”DO THIS,DO THAT” BUT JUST LIKE HUBIE BROWN SAID DURING GAME 3 AGAINST THE CAVS,HE COMES OUT OF TIMEOUTS WITHOUT DESIGNING A PLAY TO SET UP WHAT HE WANTS THE TEAM TO DO..HE RIDES THEM ON THEIR TALENT ALONE..JUST IMAGINE IF WE HAD AN X’S AND O’S COACH WHO ALSO TEACHES,WE WOULD BE A BETTER TEAM..

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in today’s NBA Al Horford’s skills and abilities are best suited for the center position…

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Are the hawks going to resign Mario West. I would hate to see him leave. He is a great situational defender and brings a ton of energy off of the bench.

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Jay, Bibby officially resigned?

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Mel,

I doubt Chill will accept his qualifying offer…he knows the Hawks won’t re-tender forever, and his tender is so much lower than his Greek salary would be.

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Sekou,

Hope you and yours have an enjoyable 4th. I really don’t expect too much will happen with free agent agreements over the weekend. It would be nice to hear that the Bibby deal is done and progress is being made with ZaZa. I think it is important to get committments from our own players first so we can have an idea of the address getting that 2nd big man off the bench.

Please check with your spies regarding the ZaZa-Houston rumor you heard earlier. It is hard to imagine they would have the money to pull that deal off.

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sorry sekou for mis-spelling your name, I think the hawks should be glad that childres wants out, we hAVE NO ROOM FOR HIM, he’s not a starter and we have bench players already.

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Sekou,

ZAZA twitted (3 hours ago via hoopshype twitters feed) that he just landed in NYC, are word that the Knicks are interested? Someone else? What do you know?

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I saw that too, but I’m pretty sure hwe Knicks are still way over the cap so I paid it no mind….he’s probably just visiting……unless he’s going to detour to New Jersey or something…

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Why are yall still debating about Chills. He will be playing in the NBA “THIS YEAR”. If he wasn’t, he’d be in Greece right now. He knows that the NBA money will be less than his Greek contract yet he is still here “shopping” his services. That should tell you something.
Again,

This is why Josh will not be playing in Europe this year, no matter what amount of money they offer him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnsh7MvaKJU

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My last 6 attempts to post have been eliminated.

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But that story really is hilarious. It basically gives you a breakdown of what was apparently 3 days of bull$hit by ESPN.

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KEN,

your last 6 post were eaten because all you were probably talking about was “FIRING WOODY!”

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Good evening Sekou, watching the hawks the last 5 years i still don’t undersand why M. Willaims was the 2nd pick, J. Chillis is a lot better player. He can handle the ball as a point forard, he can slash to the basket, shoot the 3 and play great defense and also he is class act guy. I think the hawks should sign him and sign and trade M. Williams. I don’t see the raw talent every body been talking about., let me know your what yopu think about this please. Thanks.

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KEN,

I knew it!!! LOL!!

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BASG can afford him Ken! Who else would come here on the cheap and the ownership in a legal crisis?

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While what Hedo did to Portland is funny, it could mean they will go hard after Marvin or give Bibbys agent ammo to get his price raised.

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I wonder if the Hawks could talk the Nets into trading J. Hayes for Mo Evans and R. Morris. I would take that trade for an upgrade @ SF.

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Portland is unlikely to chase Bibby, frankly. They traded Rodriguez because they had one too many PGs. My guess is that they’ll go after Odom. And when that fails, they’ll go after some restricted FA forwards like Kleiza, Lee, and maybe Marvin. And when that fails, Pritchard will try to work out a 22-team trade involving 135 players.

And Ken – I agree with you 100% on your conclusions. I just wanted to quibble with one factual detail – JJ’s second half/first half production. Sekou actually penned some article earlier this year that talked about how JJ averages more in the fourth quarter…he was one of the top 5 in the league in terms of 4th quarter scoring average at the time, as I recall. 82games shows that he finished the year ranked 8th in the league, which isn’t surprising since he was playing on that hurt ankle for the whole second half of the year:
http://www.82games.com/0809/QTR4S11.HTM

(PS – Look at who’s ranked 7th)

I actually noticed the opposite problem – Joe seemed to play somewhat lackadaisically in the first half most games…he seemed to know he had to save his strength for the 4th quarter b/c Woody wouldn’t let him get any rest. It was other guys (usually Bibby) who seemed to provide most of our first-half punch in a lot of games.

I’ve also noticed JJ’s D in the first half is usually weak (you never see him challenge on transition D until the 4th quarter). Again, I think he tried to save his energy. Not saying that’s 100% Woody’s fault, but you can’t blame the guy for rationing his stamina.

Marvin took a lot of the perimeter D pressure off JJ before he got hurt. Hopefully if we re-sign him and keep Crawford, JJ won’t need to conserve energy so much in the future.

But knowing Woody, that’s probably wishful thinking…

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I think it’s important to to remember because of Chill’s contract status, The Hawks can’t take back much in terms of money. What the Hawks fans should expect is a pick and cash. I would love to see the Hawks sign McDysse, Swift and then resign our own Free- Agents ( Zaza, Marvin and Bibby). I wouldn’t go higher than 7 million for any of them.

Next Years Line-up

PG Bibby/ Teague
SG Johnson/ Crawford/West
SF Williams/ Evens
PF Smith/ McDysse/ Morris
C Horford/ Pachulia/Swift

Woody uses a short bench, but with this team he should at least play 9 men a night.

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Ken,I agree with your post and I was hoping Sund saw the same thing that Joe D.saw in Detroit.Woody main concern was keeping his job and not making the Hawks better.He drove JJ and the other 7 man rotation in the ground so his record would look good.He didn’t give a hoot if Law ,Solo,are any of the other bench guys develop because Woody had to make the playoffs and do better than the year before.I respect that but he didn’t give a hoot about whats best for The Hawks.When The Hawks decided to keep Woody I really did not care what they did in FA because it will be the SOS again.Sund wakeup,get a coach in here that cares about more than JJ and Bibby.Keep these guys happy and you survive,says Woody.

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Frye:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voGZv5ZEVs0

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Ken Strickland For Blogger Of The Year

Even If Sekou didn’t give out blogger awards this year.

If you can’t compete to sign the top free agents you have to be able to develop talent. Woody has proven he can’t and only wants to coach veterans. So with that said lets fire him and bring in a coach that can develop talent.

FIRE WOODY

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If the Hawks line-ups are looking anything like what you guys are projecting based on your input, no hawks fan should honestly be disappointed…

If they can resign Bibby, Marvin, AND Zaza

+ Get another BIG

The Hawks = Much Improved

However, I cant see them resigning Zaza + getting another BIG like Millsap, Verajeo, or McDyess. Honestly, I dont even see them getting a Brandon Bass. I’d be ecstatic if they proved me wrong. But, at the best, if they were to aquire an additional BIG, i think it would be something more low quality.

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“THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE REASONS WE DON’T HAVE A SINGLE PLAYER THAT’S BEEN GROOMED TO REPLACE A SINGLE POTENTIAL FA”

Ken you nailed it, I agree and I hope Sund has or will figure this out.

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Hoops,

I like your idea and sure we would have a championship quality team, but if we resign Bibby, Williams, Zaza and give a mid level deal to Milsap and QO to Childress, that would make our payroll about 75 million. NO way the ASG is gonna pay that much. I have always liked Jarvis Hayes and always thought he was a perfect fit here though, but I dont think JErsey trades him because they realize he is a better player than Mo.

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Wabe,

I agree with you if they add a veteran big that comes on the cheap, then its fine, we should still be improved. A lot of bloggers keep hollering we need a lot of bigs, but who knows what the offensive philosophy will be. Assuming Bibby is resigned, the Bibby/Crawford/JJ combo should be fun to watch, and I think Marvin might play some 4, that leaves less minutes anyway for a lot of bigs. A veteran big that can come in occassionally and help with the Shaqs and Howards of the league or when horford or zaza are in foul trouble.

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What is the FA list that can stop Howard or Shaq. Thats why they get paid 20 million, they can’t be stopped.

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CHANNING FRYE!! CHANNING FRYE!! CHANNING FRYE!!

Legit size, Actual post moves, real backetball skill
He is there for the taking, GET IN THE GAME!!

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It seems like a short rotation will get you into the playoffs. A well developed & utilized bench will get you to the finals. What is the ultimate goal?

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glw,

You may be right about the salaries, but this is how I had it figured:
1. Sign Bibby for 5.6M
2. Marvin’s QO is $7,355,165
3. Sign Millsaps or Varejao for 5.6M
4. Sign Zaza for 5.6M
5. Sign Solo for 1M(if this makes us go into L. tax then don’t sign him)

If my totals are correct(with Solo), that $69,954,748. Without Solo-$68,954,748.
My feeling is that if you want to compete for the finals, you are going to have to spend up to the L. tax (not over) to get those type of players!!!

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glw,

Now this is a thought along the lines of salary:

If we sign Chills for the QO, then we could trade Marvin and probably bring back less salary. I think Chills would be happy here if he was given a real opportunity to start.

Which perimeter is better?
A. Bibby, Teague, JJ, Crawford, Chills, Evans or
B. Bibby, Teague, JJ, Crawford, Marvin, Evans

I like A better if we can sign a second big (besides Zaza) and not have to use Marvin @ PF any. If not, then I would have to go with B.

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EXACTLY what does “awaiting moderation” mean?

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i been moderating since 9 friggin am! seems like i am watching instead of moderating.

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We will know by July 15 if we are going to be able to keep Chills or not. Marvin’s deal will take much longer. IF we keep Chills, why not S&T Marvin to Cleveland for Danny Green and JJ Hickson? Cleveland would go for that because the word is that they want to move LeBron to PF. This way the Hawks get Hickson to back up Josh and Green to back up Chills.
I know, that’s alot of IF’s!!!

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glw,

My salary calculations need to be slightly adjusted. I was showing Teague to make 2M, but he is scheduled to only make $997,100. So we can subtract 1M from my figures with or without Solo. That’s even better.

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Per ESPN: Bibby signing a 3 year deal!!

On the bottom line on SC.

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niremetal,

I can’t really disagree with you. Do you think Chills may want to come back so bad that he would accept the QO this year so he could be a UFA next summer? That’s his way out from under the Hawks.

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UGA,

It says “according to the Philly Inquirer.” Near as I can tell, this is the source they’re talking about:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20090704_76ers__offer_to_Bibby_was_for_1_year.html

The story says “Bibby, paid about $15 million last season, plans to re-sign with Atlanta for three years, according to an NBA source.”

As always, ESPN makes the deal sound more done than it actually is…

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Who’s gonna win their 5th ring first (or at all), Shaq, Kobe(that includes Fisher) or Duncan???

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Ray the FIRE WOODY movement has more followers than your blog. lol. I won’t stop until the job is done.

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Hoops, I have no idea where you came up with Teague’s salary, but it is more than likely incorrect. Per standard practices and procedures, Teague will more than likely be signed to 120% of the Rookie Scale. That puts him at $1,373,880.

http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php

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Well, yeah, but nothing is set in stone though…..

I bet Sund already has worked out a deal With Zaza…..

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Ariose,

Ha! Probably true.

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Hoopsworld is reporting that D. Anderson is heading for the Hawks! If we can sign Zaza, it looks like the other big may be D. Anderson!

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KevinA,

We can trade Crawford by himself or with draft picks, but we can’t package him with other players until 2 months after we traded for him (ie until late August)

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Hoops,can you post the link?

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Good catch, Hoops.

Here’s the link, though the article is in Spanish:
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/20090704/53738392519/noticia/andersen-con-un-pie-en-la-nba.html

Can you say “Ah crap?” This is exactly what we needed. A big man who can’t play D…

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http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/20090704/53738392519/noticia/andersen-con-un-pie-en-la-nba.html

It’s in spanish lol…I know a little…..but You shold probably run it through Google translator lol.

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I can read Spanish fairly well, and the gist of the article is that Andersen apparently played pretty weell in the Euro Final Four, which drew the attention of NBA scouts and GMs. It also says that the Hawks are concerned about losing Zaza as a free agent, and that San Antonio is apparently one of the teams interested in him. It says the Hawks will offer him a deal similar to the one he currently has in Europe – about 2 million Euros per year (which is about $2.8M).

At that price, hell – go for it.

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Here we go….

Regal FC Barcelona, after the signing of the agreement and Pete Mickeal with Boniface Ndong had practically outlined the plan for next season, could receive in the coming days a blow. Several sources with knowledge of the international market, David Andersen was about to leave the club to play for Barça in the NBA. The Australian pivot has two more years of contract with Regal FC Barcelona, but you can break the engagement if you offer an NBA team before July 15. It appears that Andersen calling at Atlanta Hawks, the team that won their rights in the 2002 draft (No. 37 of the second round).

The Australian has never hidden his dream is to stop playing in the NBA someday, but until now the Hawks have never decided to make an offer or transfer its rights to another team. When Andersen and began to think that Europe could never move, the thing seems to have changed this year. His great performance in the Euroleague Final Four, where they met a large number of general managers and scouts from the NBA, and his great end of season have raised his prestige on the other side of the Atlantic. Moreover, the Hawks have a lot to lose pivot numbers patchouli Georgian Zaza, who has just become a free agent and interested teams, including San Antonio. The arrival of Andersen allow Atlanta to its low cover without having to pull the house out the window.

Andersen said a few months ago and that money should not be a problem to fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA and was ready to make the jump if the Hawks offered him a contract similar to what is getting on the boat (about two million euros). The player is these days holiday in his native Australia.

World Deportivo managed to contact yesterday with the representative of the pivot, Kenny Grant, but he refused to confirm or deny the news. “David is an option, as has every summer, to break his contract if it receives an offer from the NBA before July 15. I can not say any more,” said the officer.

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Ok, I cut and paste the David Andersen article to the Worldlingo translation website and here’s what it returned…

The Regal FC Barcelona, that after the draftee of Pete Mickeal and the agreement with Boniface Ndong practically had well formed its group of the next season, could receive in the next days a hard blow. According to diverse sources with knowledge of the international market, David Andersen is on the verge of letting the club azulgrana to play in NBA. Pívot Australian has two years more of contract with the Regal Barça, but it can break the commitment if it presents/displays a supply of an equipment of NBA before the 15 of July. Everything aims at that Andersen will saturate in Atlanta Hawks, the equipment that took control of its rights in draft of 2002 (nº 37 of the second round).

The Australian never has hidden who its dream is to end up playing someday in NBA, but until now the Hawks never they had been decided to present/display a supply to him or to transfer its rights to another equipment. When Andersen already began to think that she could never move of Europe, the thing seems to have changed east year. Their great performance in Four End of the Euroliga, where managers and ojeadores of NBA met to a great number of general, and their great end of season has elevated their prestige to the other side of the Atlantic. In addition, the Hawks has many numbers to lose to pívot Georgian Zaza Pachulia, that finishes turning free agent and interests to diverse equipment, among them San Antonio. The arrival of Andersen would allow Atlanta to cover its loss without having to throw the house by the window.

Andersen already aimed months ago that the money did not have to be a problem so that its dream was fulfilled to play in NBA and that it was arranged to give the jump if the Hawks offered a contract to him similar to which is receiving in the Barça (about two million euros). The player is these days of vacations in his native Australia.

Sport world managed to contact yesterday with the representative of pívot, Kenny Grant, but this one did not want to confirm nor to deny the news. “David has an option, since she has had it every summer, to break its contract if she receives a supply of NBA before the 15 of July. I cannot say nothing else “, pointed the agent.

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*offered, not will offer. Wow.

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Lol at Google’s translation algorithm:
Moreover, the Hawks have a lot to lose pivot numbers patchouli Georgian Zaza

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I hope that we can keep ZaZa and get Anderson with along with Bibby coming back then we’ll be eight deep. S & T JC for another veteran player and we can remain in the fourth place.

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Nire,

Google Translator, can you say broken english. I think their intent was good…lol

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If we bring Andersen over and re-sign Zaza, my guess is that we’ll play Andersen at the 4. If that’s the case and if we re-sign Bibby and Marvin, I think we’d be done in the FA market, because our roster would already look like this:

PG: Bibby, Teague
SG: JJ, Crawford
SF: Marvin, Evans
PF: Smoove, Andersen
C: Horford, Zaza, RandMo

Not really room for another rotation player. That’s a 9- or 10-deep squad. BUT that assumes we re-sign Zaza, which is a big if. If we do indeed bring over Andersen and re-sign Zaza, my guess is that we’re done unless we make a trade (which is entirely possible). If we don’t, then maybe we go after a McDyess/Millsap/etc

Andersen will qualify as a drafted rookie, so I don’t think we’ll need to burn any of our mid-level or bi-annual to get him.

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Like Niremetal said, signing David Andersen wouldn’t count against our MLE b/c he’s the Hawks draft pick. So they still have both MLE and BI-Annual available.

Crawford, Bibby, Marvin, ZaZa and Andersen would be a good summer for Sund.

Add Chills and another big (Bass, Frye, McDyess, Theo) to the above and that would be a great summer for Sund….

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MLE and BI-Annual – these exceptions do not count toward cap or lux tax? Just salary?

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niremetal – Thanks I assume this is how those other teams ended up spending so much money.

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Now that Hedo is going to sign with Toronto, it looks like they have to let some FA’s go, at least from what I’ve read. Is there anyone there worth signing?

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KevinA,

Teams mostly get that far over the cap by re-signing their own players at huge raises (like we did with Smoove last summer). The MLE is more of a piecemeal thing.

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nire and ken nice rationale posts. good start to the fourth to see ken go off like a chinese fire cracker. the guy has had a longer fuse this summer. nice to know he still has it in him. go ken.

nire, i love the stats. you also noticed that jj had the most minutes in the fourth than all but one person. personally his stats are inflated because of the minutes he played. he comes back to ordinary if he rests like most people or as you say maybe he doesnt glide so much an take so many possessions off during the early aprts of games. he might become more efficient that way.

did you see who was sixth? the guy who could have been his running mate for a lot less than 15 mil for the last three years. yup roy.

also interesting that smith ranked a plus three. not many folks got into that category. i saw only two people higher, kobe at 5 in more minutes and west in cle in less. i know you hate that one dude. he is still a stud that will only get better and be a killer in three years. yup, jj a not so shabby plus two in about 150 more minutes.

this shows flip’s overall huge contribution last year and he might get stiffed. too bad but crawford will be better. funny chills was our third best contributor the year before and didnt get any respect either.

this one suggests that our top two top five rotations didnt include marvin and had jj at the three. yup, jump on it rod if you are still reading me. you might be at the scroll stage but if not check it out.

it also may suggest the best closing five this season will be point guard, crawford, jj, smith and horford. the two guys that made the most difference last year might not be back as bibby was in the mix on the top two top fives with jj at three around murray. the other really high contributor to the mix and even more so than horford with bibby, flip, jj and smith was zaza. it seems a shame to think he will be lost at such a young age and really didnt get much cred for two of the years he was here. i dont think the popcorn man did much for his game. zaza didnt seem to perform well until lorens left as he was doing pretty well before he got here, like his role was not defined. woody had to play him and give him his due finally when rens was sent parking for bibby. that might have been the best move for the team to get zaza’s energy back as he came on fast at the end of the year and went toe to toe with kg. gosh that was a great night. i still get chills; better than a prize fight and no blows struck.

thanks nire for giving the prod to check it out. i have often liked looking at those stats and see if they reflect what we think we see. i could see jj at three more, was a bit surprised at bibby’s contribution and not the least surprised at zaza and flip’s. would have liked to have seen horford’s numbers better as i would have marvin’s especially.

we need zaza back. he would be huge for san antonio if he could find a way over cap humps onto their roster. tim, zaza, jefferson, parker and ginobli. that would be interesting to watch finish games.

on a different note; i wonder how artest is going to finish his career? i could see him becoming the modern day pippen to kobe’s act and help a whole lot. unfortunately, i can see him becoming the worm at the end of his career and going crazy like rodman did in the end as for him as he has tortured himself. there will be the glare of the l a lights to deal with and ultimately his choice. i hope it is more to bball salvation than purgatory, though it might just give kobe and jackson a few more rings in the next four years. geez, the rich get richer.

happy fourth guys.

oh well the post without the links, see if it goes through.

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I here we’re keeping Bibby? How much and how many years?

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Say what you want, but Even if he gets no PT, FLip will be back…..Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!

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Hawksfanatic,

If you are correct on the info on D. Anderson having to be signed out of our MLE, can he be signed out of our Bi-Annual instead?

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Cali, where did you get that info from??

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Pen, thanks, But i’m talkin’ about the 3yrs 22mill.

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3 yrs 22 million?

Man, that sounds a bit pricy.

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Hawksfanatic,

I indicated the first time I discussed Andersen that I wasn’t sure. I’m still not. I’ve read through both the CBA and Coon’s FAQ and can’t find anything discussing how second round picks are dealt with under the salary cap rules. If you show me a link saying that, I’m perfectly willing to admit my instinct is wrong.

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