Childress in play?
(Former) Hawks swingman Josh Childress appears to be in play for the second straight summer as a restricted free agent. He's in Milwaukee today visiting the Bucks.
HAWKSVILLE - From Athens to Milwaukee and back to Atlanta, the name Josh Childress is being tossed around in every direction these days.
Childress is in Milwaukee today visiting the Bucks with his agent, Jim Tanner.
What that means for the Hawks is that they might get a do-over with Childress, a restricted free agent again this summer as he was last summer.
Last summer they lost him as an asset when he chose to sign with Greek power Olympiakos (for $20 million post taxes). What the Hawks didn’t lose was the right of first refusal on Childress if he decided to return to the NBA this summer.
And two of my spies have made it clear that were Childress to receive any sort of “reasonable” NBA offer (the $5.6 million mid-level exception or below), the Hawks would match it before Childress finished signing his name on the offer sheet (the aim, however, is to work out a sign-and-trade deal to appease both sides since Childress has made clear his desire to play elsewhere, per a source).
Still, no player on the free agent market has more intriguing options than Childress. He has until July 15 to decide if he wants to return to the NBA (he’d have to exercise the opt-out clause in his contract with Olympiakos). So he has a window now that allows him to gauge his current value around the NBA while also holding on to the safety net that is his lucrative contract with Olympiakos.
Childress was in Atlanta last Sunday to meet with the Hawks’ brass and made clear that he would do his due diligence in evaluating his NBA options before deciding whether to return to Greece or not. It’s smart business yet again on the part of Childress, who had drawn interest from a number of other teams (Lakers, Clippers, Cavaliers and Spurs are included in that list, according to my league spies) curious to explore the potential of him making an return to the league now as opposed to at the end of his contract with Olympiakos.
“It’s a tough free agent market right now,” a former player now working as an analyst told me by phone Thursday morning. “I can’t imagine [Childress] could do better financially than he would by going back to Greece. But you never know what might go on in free agency, so he’s wise to explore his options.”
MOSTLY QUIET ON THE FREE AGENT FRONT: Things are quiet where the Hawks’ other free agent targets are concerned. Neither Zaza Pachulia nor Marvin Williams is scheduled to visit anywhere as of right now.
Plenty of teams are interested, from what I’m hearing, but no face-to-face meetings have been set up as of yet. Williams is a restricted free agent, so it’s expected that his summer will last a little longer. Pachulia’s summer could heat up rather quickly if one of the big man dominoes on the summer circuit (Rasheed Wallace, Marcin Gortat, etc.) were to commit to a new team.
Several sources inform me that the Hawks have moved into the “common ground” phase of their talks with Mike Bibby’s camp. Nothing has been announced yet, but those sources insist that a deal is closer to getting done than people might think. I’ll be curious to see how things progress through the July 4th weekend and into early next week, when the salary cap numbers come out on the 8th.
Rumors are flying around about what teams are doing. It’s almost too difficult to keep up with it all, since there are so many different outlets reporting (fact and fiction). But my man Adrian Wojnarowski from Yahoo! Sports does as good as job as anyone at keeping his finger on the pulse of what’s happening out there. Check out his latest buzz.
RECESSION? WHAT RECESSION?: While most of us working class folk are struggling to make ends meet during these tough economic time, there is a segment of the population that’s doing just fine. Check out some of the NBA players on Sports Illustrated’s list of top “ballers” in sports.
Steve Francis should be your new hero, since he clocked $20 million last year without playing a single second of basketball. How’d that song from the 90s go, “I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller.” Dang skippy!
NORTH OF THE BORDER: Both Cousin Doug up in Toronto and my man Ken Berger of CBSSPORTS.com are reporting that David Lee has become the object of the Toronto Raptors’ affection now that it appears Hedo Turkoglu could be headed to Portland.
Turkoglu agreeing to a deal could open the floodgates for guys like Williams, especially, considering Charlie Villanueva’s deal with Detroit (5-years, $35-$40 sounds reasonable, though it raises some issues for the Pistons, per my man David Aldridge of TNT) has already set a benchmark for players of that ilk.
Stay tuned folks. There’s no telling where this free agent roller coaster goes next.
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livinglegend
July 2nd, 2009
1:54 pm
I don’t quite understand the love affair with Marvin. I defended the pick when it was made because I watched him play a lot at Carolina and I felt like he had talent that could blossom in the NBA. Truth be told I was yelling a Stern to call out D. Williams instead though. A few years later I’m not impressed and i dont see a whole lot of room for improvement in Marvin’s game. He’s just not very athletic. If he didn’t get bailed out so much on out of control drives to the basket he would be a total disaster. I guess the good news is he has stretches were he is a lights out shooter.
Help me understand because I see him more as a chip to help fill out the roster right now than a long-term answer on the team.
Ariose
July 2nd, 2009
1:57 pm
Honestly, if I were the coach of this ballclub, a mirror image of team USA would be my aim. Throwing waves of players at you in five minute spurts, that way no one gets tired and whoever is on the court is always perfoming at the highest level. If we bring everyone back and add someone like Gortat or Channing Frye, I beleive we will have the weapons to play that brand of basketball.
Johnny Hazeltine
July 2nd, 2009
1:59 pm
The Atlanta Hawks will not compete for an Eastern Conference Championship as long as the offense runs through Joe Johnson. This is not a knock on Joe, but a testament to the fact that the Hawks need a penetrating PG.
Think about this, Joe gets run down by the time the season’s ending. Why? Because he’s the only guy on the team who can get inside the lane on a consistent basis. That’s why the Hawks drafted Teague, because Acie Law refused to sacrifice his body, and they hope Teague will.
And that’s why the Hawks would be better off signing Raymond Felton, and not Mike Bibby.
With the addition of Jamal Crawford, the Hawks don’t need the 3 point threat from Bibby, and Felton would allow Joe to save his body for the post-season. Which is where the Hawks need him the most.
jhan
July 2nd, 2009
2:00 pm
Manny/Nire – if we resigned Childress for $6M/year – what would his BYC number be? Would that number be all we could take back in a trade?
Say the number was $3M – could we trade Childress ($6M salary) for someone making $3M? Would that also free up the remaining $7M left from the current Childress cap hold?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Sekou Smith
July 2nd, 2009
2:00 pm
I stand corrected Aaron, what I meant to say about Ariza is that the Lakers don’t have the right to match any offers made to him. But they could sign and trade him.
Hoops
July 2nd, 2009
2:03 pm
Daniel,
According to niremetal, the rights to Chills will always belong to the hawks as long as they make a QO to him each year. So, there is no advantage for him to wait until next year if he is ready to come back. He must make up his mind by July 15 or he will be headed back to Greece.
Wouldn’t it be great to do a S&T with Childress and the Bucs for Sessions???
Relax And Take Notes
July 2nd, 2009
2:03 pm
Come on Sekou, man.
You and Rick Sund are drinking the same kool-aid. WTF is with this “we are close to the top 3 but no one is far behind us?” Is our team successful if we hold off anyone from grabbing the 4 seed, or are we aiming to win a championship? From the ineptitude of our ownership to our genius GM whose only goal this past season was to make the playoffs with a winning record, I don’t think this team has a chance.
Have the “Hawks Brass” talked to one team about bringing in a superstar? Is our goal for the next 8 years to just keep the same !@#$ing tweener core of scorers who suck on the road?
And if everything is quiet on the ZaZa front, THEN SIGN HIM WHILE NO ONE IS TOO SERIOUS ABOUT HIM. My God. Are we really trying to sign our old fat unathletic one-dimensional point guard over a big man who will not even think twice about taking big money from a crappy team? Bibby’s only strengths are shooting contested 3’s, not playing defense, and lobbing it to Smoove. If we are paying 7 million a year to see him do that, then count me down as a Hawks fan. I will not waste anymore of my money to see a team so guard-heavy and so thin on the frontline that we have to throw all our money at a point guard so we have no chance of developing our new point guard. On top of that, we can count on Woodson to alienate Teague by December and give Bibby 38 MPG like he always does.
WHY DOES THIS CITY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY? ARE WE CONTENT WITH BEING THE 4TH BEST TEAM IN THE EAST? SUND WANTS TO GET CLOSER TO THE TOP 3 — NOT OVERTAKE THEM.
RICK SUND GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND GET US A FREAKING POST PRESENCE. STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH A HAS-BEEN POINT GUARD WHO AVERAGED 5 ASSISTS LAST YEAR AND DID NOTHING IN THE PLAYOFFS
Hawksfanatic
July 2nd, 2009
2:07 pm
jhan, Chillz BYC number is the greater of 50% of his salary or his previous salary ($3,631,449). His BYC starts at anything above 120% of his previous salary, which would be $4,357,738.80.
nique
July 2nd, 2009
2:10 pm
how bout us getting oberto?
Mitch
July 2nd, 2009
2:13 pm
Chills must be anxious to return to the NBA. He’s smart enough to know the economy right now and is certainly smart enough to know that he isn’t going to get a lucrative contract, not this year anyway.
Today he’s talking with the Bucks. What would they offer him? One would think the ceiling on him would be $6-7M…which, as you state Sekou, is a price tag the Hawks would be inclined to match.
I’d love to see Chills return to Atlanta…his defense is better than anyone’s on the current roster and his ability to score and pass from the short corner is made to order for this team, due to its lack of a post presence.
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
2:19 pm
Finally something half-way worth talking about. I was getting weary of the hair-splitting, tit-for-tat, neenering about BYC, salary cap rules, trade rights, and anything else that might fall under column 23, section 24, paragraph 7, chapter 68, of the 5th edition of the 2nd book in the Immaculate Works of Larry Coon the Omniscient, May He Live Forever.
Anyway, I hope we can take advantage of whatever interest Childress has in coming back to the NBA this year, and whatever mutual interest he has in other teams, and they in him. Nothing like a lost asset that is found again.
In the meantime, we can yap all day about whether or not Detroit is better with Gordon and Villanueva. I know this: we can’t sign Villanueva now.
Gortat vs. Zaza. Better the devil you know than the one who looks good in mild spurts…
Sometimes it’s not the original plan that is the most critical. Sometimes it’s the back-up plan. Sund and crew might be targeting guys like Gortat, Wallace and MycDyess. But what do you do when you can’t get any of the three? Last year’s snagging of Flip Murray paid dividends. Can Sund make another cheap, smart move if the bigger targets escape the crosshairs?
Relax And Take Notes
July 2nd, 2009
2:20 pm
The hubris of the Atlanta Hawks brass (owners + GM) will be the demise of this franchise.
The utter defiance of NBA free agency norms, such as NOT offering important bigs contracts before they get taken away for more money, is a paragon of the ineptitude of this franchise.
Until Rick Sund realizes that scoring tweener guards don’t win you championships, this team will bask in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. The 2 playoffs berths are smoke screens — this ownership is driven by money — not efficiency. This whole team was crafted by Billy Knight, and Rick Sund’s lone accomplishment so far has been trading 2 injured stiffs for a decent player in Jamal Crawford. Until Rick Sund gets us a big who can semi-handle Dwight Howard, Shaq (past his prime), or even bother to box out Glen “Big Baby” Davis, you can expect another playoff berth next year and another 2nd round exit.
There is nothing to be excited about, folks. This arrogant GM is content with resigning our players and not making an adventurous move. Apparently Mike Bibby is the Second Coming of Christ. I’ve never seen such an above-average player heralded so greatly by a throng of ignorant afficionados. Mike Bibby is no where close to as good as even Rajon Rondo or Jameer Nelson who have repeatedly destroyed our point guard of the years. Bibby is so bowlegged he has to take two steps sideways before taking one step forward … That is the amazing point guard our fans have made him out to be.
The Hawks have 41 million under contract. To sign 3 or 4 more players and stay under the luxury tax should not be a daunting task. But with Rick Sund, our stiff GM who refused to make Josh Smith an offer until the desperate Grizzlies did, you have a GM who is terrified of making a risk-taking trade, such as pieces for Shaq, or Josh Smith for a big.
This team will make the playoffs 2 or 3 more times until we lose most of our core pieces and move back to the infamous nadir of the East
Mike is back
July 2nd, 2009
2:22 pm
MannyT , I agree wholeheartedly…the big thing is to work-out an acceptable deal that both parties can live with.. If Sund could add a quality Big with some kind of S&T package with Chill…he would be on fire this FA. You never want to loose a lottery pick and get nothing in return. I think it would behoove Sund to take advantage of Chills desire to return to the NBA and parlay that into a deal that provides the Hawk with some type ROI.
ILL, excellent point…I think when a guy like Chill makes those comments…it reminds everyone how difficult it is for young players to develop and grow under Woody. Let’s hope that developing young players is part of Sund new business model. We will see…Teague will push for playing time.
Sekou, what a about Anderson…has there been any indication he is considering opting out to play in the NBA. I seen some of his Youtube clips…while he is not a bruiser rebounder like Zaza…he does possess an excellent assortment of moves for a man his size…neither guy is a shot blocker… he would be a huge upgrade in term of offensive skill in the post.
Also…It appears Gortat will be too expensive to acquire…I don’t see us out bidding Houston for his services or us being able to land Sheed…too many BIG DOGS to compete with. What are your thoughts on the Hawks chances of landing quality or serviceable Big in FA?
Mitch
July 2nd, 2009
2:23 pm
This off-season will tell us a great deal about Rick Sund. I give him an A- for last year, seeing as he did get JSmoove re-signed, and despite miscalculating Josh Childress’ situation (which turned out to be quite a surprise), Sund managed to solidify the roster and pave the way for a second straight playoff berth by adding two key pieces in Mo Evans and Flip Murray.
Thus far, the Crawford deal was a gem and I think Sund got one of the more promising young players in the draft in Jeff Teague.
But, the interest in Bibby at this point surprises me. Yes Sund loves shooters, but unless Bibby settles for a MLE, this team cannot afford him. Bibby is too proud to take a MLE, at least from the Hawks. Maybe the Knicks, because of D’Antoni and the hope that LeBron ends up there. And thus far, Sund has done nothing in two years to address the interior talent and depth on this team. So, this is all very interesting, and nerve-wracking at the same time.
Rod from College Park
July 2nd, 2009
2:27 pm
livinglegend,
Trust me you are in the right place. You would think Marvin is the next coming of Micheal Jordan on this blog. You are not alone in your feelings. I would trade him for a bag of chips. Apparently a lot of other NBA teams feel the same way, because he is not on any teams radar, but the Hawks.
Matty Ice
July 2nd, 2009
2:31 pm
Sekou,
what was so egregious about the Hawks negotiations with Josh Childress that would preclude the Hawks and Childress from being able to reach a deal? Just because Greek team paid Childress twice what any NBA team would? Was it nasty? I don’t get it. Please elaborate
Joe's place Joe speaking
July 2nd, 2009
2:32 pm
I hear Lebron is courting Ron Artest to lure him in and/or Ariza to sign with Cleveland. Why don’t the hawks look at Artest or Ariza?! These two guys could be our Defensive presence against the likes of Lebron, Pierce, etc. . I like Marvin but to have a Lockdown defender like Artest or Ariza could possibly mean the next step for us towards the Elite! As long as we resign Zaza and trade the rights of Childress and some fillers for another Blg that should be a sure upgrade over last years squad! We should still resign Marvin though as he could learn a few defensive moves from one of these guys!! Seriously Sekou are the Hawks going to look at either one of these guys to help solidify our defense? Or are they just looking at a mediocre big like a Channing Frye ( who’s garbage by the way!! ) to stay the cheap Bast**** they are!!??
Ernest
July 2nd, 2009
2:33 pm
I question whether Chillz would sign a deal that he’d believe the Hawks would match. It sounds as though he realizes there would not be much chance for significant minutes with the Hawks and if he wants to make his next payday significant, he’d have to go elsewhere.
It is going to be interesting to see how long the Hawks wait before attempting to sign Marvin and ZaZa. I think the CharlieV contract benefits the Hawks by setting Marvin’s market around $8million/year. Locking him in to a similar deal definitely benefits the Hawks going forward.
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
2:34 pm
Relax and Take Notes,
You sound a lot like somebody I know. But that’s besides the point. Um, what big out there would you suggest that we get to semi-handle Dwight Howard (not clear on what your exact definition of semi-handling is), Shaq, and box out Glen Davis? Just curious. Also, who should we trade for said big, and please include all the necessary, painstakingly correct financial details of this transaction.
Failure to do so will result in a cyber-lynching by a mob of Larry Coon-athites. Even then, your suggestion is likely to be shot full of holes just because some people want something to disagree with (contrarians have that habit), and others are just bored or don’t like anything they read.
Good luck. Awaiting your answer.
Ariose
July 2nd, 2009
2:35 pm
I’m down with a bench consisting of either of these bigs: Zaza, Gortat, Verajeao, Frye, or Solo.
We know zaza and Solo will be back(hopefully), now we just need to add Frye, Verajao, or Gortat and we’ll be set.
Ariose
July 2nd, 2009
2:36 pm
Andro 3000……anyhoo…
Daniel
July 2nd, 2009
2:36 pm
Hoops- I appreciate the info. Man, the NBA contract stuff is way complicated. I am a physician, and I have read up on this stuff, and still don’t really understand it. I mean the whole cap hold thing is just insane really.
Daniel
July 2nd, 2009
2:37 pm
Ariose-
do you really think we can do that and resign Bibby?
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
2:48 pm
Mitch,
Jamal Crawford shoots 41% from the field and doesn’t get 10 assists per game. Therefore, he will not be able to help us at all. Plus, he could only score 20 points per game on a losing team. It’s not possible for him to give anywhere near that contribution on a winning team.
Jeff Teague is labeled by some pre-draft websites as an indifferent defender. Because of this analysis, he will never develop the desire, attitude, or capability to ever defend his position in the NBA.
Rick Sund failed to draft DaJuan Blair. He has also failed to sign or trade un-disclosed players for an un-disclosed but highly talented big man within the first 2 days of the free agency talks period.
Therefore, the team will regress to 34 wins, not make the playoffs, the coach will be fired, and life as we know it will come to a horribly apocalyptic end.
What? You didn’t get that memo?
Hoops
July 2nd, 2009
2:49 pm
Ariose,
If we could re-sign Zaza and Solo and then sign one of these bigs (Varejao/Wilcox/Gooden/Gortat/Bass), we would be set @ PF & Center!
Sekou Smith
July 2nd, 2009
2:51 pm
Championship talk is spirited and maybe even inspired, RATN. But what makes you think a team that has taken as long as it has to get this far is suddenly going to crazy and go for broke and chase a title by trying to get a “superstar” here to win a title. You mean a “superstar” like T-Mac or Vince Carter or … who exactly would you be speaking of? The only cats to push teams over the top this decade (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Wade and to a lesser extent my main man C. Billups) are already staples on other teams. So which one are you going to snatch? And what are you going to use to snatch ‘em?
I understand your passion, shoot, it’s a philosophy every fan wishes their team would embrace. But we don’t live in that reality here in Atlanta. We just don’t. I try and look at these things realistically and comprehend the fact that you don’t root for one of those teams willing to take those giant leaps to compete for a title. I hate to be so blunt about it, but that’s basically what you have to deal with.
niremetal
July 2nd, 2009
2:51 pm
Jhan,
Childress’s BYC number will be his most recent NBA salary – $3.6M. That means that we could only take back about $4.2M in salary in any trade, since the rule for teams over the cap (which we are as far as the NBA cap rules are concerned) is that they can’t take back more than 125% of whatever salary they trade away. But from the other team’s standpoint, Josh’s cap figure for the trade will be whatever the first year of his new contract is – probably somewhere between $5.5M and $6M. But thanks to the 125% rule, the other team wouldn’t be able to trade away just $4.2M and take back a $5.7M contract like Chills’s. That’s the trap. It’s close, and could be done if we fiddled with the numbers just a little (ie if both teams threw in an extra player making roughly the same amount), but there’s no way to do a deal where Chills is the only guy the Hawks are trading away, unless the other team is 1) under the cap (which only applies to 3 teams now that the Pistons are out of the game); or 2) have a trade exception (which applies only to the Clippers and Blazers, far as I know)
And ray. Don’t knock talking about BYC and cap rules, man. I need to be useful somehow!
Mitch
July 2nd, 2009
2:54 pm
No, Big Ray, that memo has not arrived yet. Good chuckle, though!
Rod from da Swats
July 2nd, 2009
2:54 pm
Heeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllppppp meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t get Marvin out of my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heeeeelllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppp meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Relax And Take Notes
July 2nd, 2009
2:54 pm
Big Ray, I have heard that Amare and Bosh are on the trade market — have you?
I think both players can do work against Dwight.
Also, we have a player named Josh Smith who is a true tweener and sucks at post defense as well as post offense.
Thanks.
Mitch
July 2nd, 2009
2:58 pm
Sekou:
Fire us up, man!
Give us the 4 moves you would make if you were Rick Sund.
That would light this board on fire!, now that the free agency kickoff has been thus far a major dowsing and cause for long yawns.
Thanks, Sekou!
KevinA
July 2nd, 2009
2:58 pm
Josh, JJ, Chills Marvin, Al and ZaZa are our core. We added Bibby Flip and Evans to the mix and now Crawford.
Resigning Chills would restore our core and the kids that got us here. Al would be the new addition to the core. We need to ride these guys until their improvement is known. JJ is the only one who looks like he may have reached his potential. It’s contract year so I could be wrong. The rest of these kids still have upside until proven otherwise.
Flip seems cheap for the skill level, the same could be said for Solo and Evans.
Crawford and Bibby are the only players that could be considered over paid judging past performance and future upside.
At the moment their pay is 23 million + for players that have good but incomplete skills.
I would prefer to drop Bibby and Crawford for younger players around the age group of our core. I know this will not win a championship next year. That does not mean we will not win more than last year.
A cheap vet to back up the big’s is smart. A pg like Jack would fit in nice. We just don’t need to throw away our chemistry and future by blowing up the team with big trades. If Sund thinks keeping Bibby for cheap works – so be it.
I still think Crawford is the odd man out. I will say it was a great trade though. Got that 5 mill for speedy taken care of. How long do we have to wait to deal him.
Daniel
July 2nd, 2009
2:59 pm
Damn Sekou- breaking us all off.
TheHawksFan
July 2nd, 2009
3:02 pm
I guess money ISNT everything, well atleast to JChill. This could get ugly though. Gadzuric is the ONLY thing the BUCKS have that Hawks could use. But he is probably one of the reasons they let Charlie V go. Clips n Spurs dont have much to offer. The Lakers are a different story though. I cant belive they are fudging on Ariza, without him they dont win the CROWN. Can you imagine Chilly refuseing to play for us after we MATCH an offer with no Sign and Trade available??? Yeah thats a bad spot. BUT, this offseason can still be GREAT by bringing back BIBBS and getting Gortat. NOW what about the Summer??? Teague needs to go against some full time NBA talent. A mini camp wont get it done. Gooooo Hawks!!!
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
3:03 pm
Daniel,
I think that understanding all the NBA contract stuff requires either an affinity for that sort of thing, or an intense interest in it. Don’t know about you, but I have neither.
Now if you want to talk terminal ballistics or handgun wound effectiveness, temporary and permanent cavity, I’m all ears….
Blast
July 2nd, 2009
3:05 pm
I feel Childress will only return to the NBA this year if a team signs him to a decent money contract. $8 mil minimum. Because unless he is sick of playing in Greece already, I don’t see him turning down all those Greek millions simply to return to the NBA and take a huge paycut. He knows he gets a paycut by coming back to the league, at least he would not want the cut to be that steep.
Speaking on that level, why would he want to play with the Bucks? They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Gilk
July 2nd, 2009
3:08 pm
If Childress wants to go to the Bucks, so be it! He needs to get over what happened last summer … this is a bidness!
Anyway, I think the Hawks should then go after a sign & trade with MIL for Ramon Sessions and Kurt Thomas. Childress’ qualifying offer for next year is $4.8MM. Kurt Thomas has an expiring contract for $3.8MM and Ramon Sessions qualifying offer for next year is $1MM.
In 1 deal, you have your starting PG and backup, experienced big! Then I walk tell Mike Bibby and Pachulia to kick rocks (Stews reference) and then go sign another UFA big who can replace Solo on the roster — maybe a Brandon Bass or Ike Diago … both about 6-9 and 250 lbs.
Keep Marvin at $7.6MM 1 year price tag and resign Flip for $3-4MM for 2-3 years.
Hawks Nation and Sekou … what am I missing here?!? Am I crazy or Rain Man on this?
Ariose
July 2nd, 2009
3:09 pm
Bibby doesn’t want to play anywhere else. If you’ve followed his carrer and read articles on him or heard him talk, you’d know that he likes to be surrounded by friends/family and once he finds a comfortable surrounding, he likes to stay there.
The only reason Bibby/Sund are close to agreeing on negotiations is because Bibby doesn’t want to go anywhere else, he has already done a self-appraisal of his game and knows what he should get on the market. He also wants to make this franchise better so he’s willing to take a pay-cut. Bibby probably already let Sund know that he’s not looking to sign anywhere else and that he wants to get a deal done with Atlanta.
Think about it, whay would Bibby’s camp be so upset about us signing Jamal Craford? The report was b/c he thought that meant the Hawks didn’t want to re-sign him. It had absoulutely nothing to do with money. He just wants to be here. He’s about to be 31 and wants to be in one place, preferably somewhere where he’s comforable.
Obviously, sund did the right thing by covering all(guard-oriented) angles so Bibby’s greedy agents woudn’t try to screw our francicise over in order for their 10% stake in Bibbys cash-flow to be “that much” bigger; But I sincerely think Bibby could’ve cared less aout that stuff though. He likes this group of guys and said they reminded him of the good times in Sacramento.
Besides, We need him. He’s the type of “comradarie” leader that was needed. Apparently he gets all the guys together in order ot go out and eat or watch movies. That’s just Bibby’s personality. If you haven’t noticed, most of the other guys on the roster are very independet and would just do their own thing with thier time off(Joe being the main culprit….all he does is sleep i’m told lol). He is also the main vocal leader on the court, along with Horford…and sometimes Flip.
We had GREAT CHEMISTRY with everyone last season, and if it weren’t for injuries we probably could have accomplished a lot more in the playoffs. So just bringing everone back, with the additions of Crawford, Teauge, another big(Frye or Gortat), and maybe Gerald Green(800k!!!) we should be MORE than OK and ABLE to stand up to all those annoying injuries that plauged us last season, while getting significantly better in the process.
At least, thats my take onthe situation….
NEW CARS
July 2nd, 2009
3:11 pm
I agree with Matty Ice, a business decision was made and the Greek team paid way over for Childress….I don’t think our team would have performed any better last year with Childress on the team and Mo and Flip missing…..I wouldn’t mind having him back, but a sign and trade, considering his injury history (I believe it is worse than Marvin’s), would be the way to go….what say you
Thurgood
July 2nd, 2009
3:11 pm
I totally concur with the words of RELAX AND TAKE NOTES. Everyone is bellowing from far and near (in Atlanta) for the services of one Michael Bibby, as if he were one of the top 5 guards in the league.
If Atlanta fans would remove the rose colored lens for one second, you would see that Bibby was mauled by rondo, mo williams, jameer, and ESPECIALLY, ONE, TONY PARKER!! But, if you chose to wear your colored lens in the building so be it!!
Sekou Smith
July 2nd, 2009
3:11 pm
Thank Naismith our main man Nire lives and dies by the CBA, because THE RULES put an end to so many of the fantasy basketball ideas that the rest of us love to toss around.
Hold that thought Mitch. Got a few things to do here before I can dive in on that one.
cp
July 2nd, 2009
3:14 pm
lol ray. Sessions is the only guy on the Bucks roster I like. If we bring Bibby back then there is no need for Sessions. The Clippers would be a better sign and trade partner. If we could get Deandre Jordan from them then I would be alright with that. I would prefer to have Chills back on our bench but I guess he does not care to much for ol Woody. And I can only laugh at the guy who said Marvin Williams is not athletic.
Ariose
July 2nd, 2009
3:15 pm
Daniel, didn’t meant to be so long-winded with the answer lol!
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
3:17 pm
Relax and Take Notes,
I’ve heard of both guys, and their “availability.” Bosh is not a center, and cannot possibly do more against Dwight than Al Horford, who makes Dwight work for everything he gets. Amare won’t defend his girlfriend, much less Howard. What, you don’t recall why those high-powered Suns teams never could get past the Spurs? Or why the Suns kept trying different power forwards year after year? First it was Brian Skinner, then Kurt Thomas, finally they just went and got Shaq. Why? Because Stoudamire is NOT in any way, shape or form committed to playing defense with ANY consistency against his counterparts.
If looking for offensive firepower and rebounds, Amare and Bosh will both do the job. Defense and banging in the post (doing the dirty work) against the bigger, better centers in the league? Neither guy fits that profile. Horford does a better job.
Next….
Mitch,
Glad to amuse ya! That was the purpose, after all.
KevinA
July 2nd, 2009
3:25 pm
Flip is more efficient and plays better D. Crawford down to like 10 min a game? Would that be a chemistry problem?
Hawksfanatic
July 2nd, 2009
3:25 pm
Nire your BYC number is correct only if Childress’ contract starts between $4,357,738.80 and $7,262,898. Anything above $7,262,898 and his BYC number changes to 50% of his current salary.
You are incorrect on the amount we can take back in a trade for Childress. Between the values of $4,357,738.80 and $7,262,898 for Chillz starting salary, we can take back[$3,631,449*1.25 + $100,000] = $4,639,311.25. Any starting salary above $7,262,898 and the amount we can take back is [$X*1.25 + $100,000] where X is one half Chillz starting salary.
Big Ray
July 2nd, 2009
3:27 pm
Niremetal,
Now you know I can’t begrudge you your subjects of interest.
Like I said to Daniel, one must have an affinity or interest to delve deeply or with any length into those areas.
Rod from College Park
July 2nd, 2009
3:33 pm
Big Ray,
I agree. That’s what you get when you let some clown who admitted he has never played any sports in his life, call hinself the so called expert on the board. All they do is see numbers, and make the numbers support how they feel. The Jamal Crawford fg% arguement as an example. Did you clowns ever consider that his fg% might be lower because he played on terrible teams, and had to endure double teams to score? What will happen when Joe gets doubled, and Jamal is standing wide open? Will he still shoot a low percentage? Would Joe shoot a higher percentage if there was another pure scorer on the floor? Why you guys continue to listen to these clowns who have never laced up any basketball shoes, I will never understand. Marvin is better than Ariza. (LOL) Marvin is better than Josh. (LOL) Marvin can check Lebron (LOL) Marvin shut down Carmelo (LOL) If he shot 20 times a game he would average 30 ppg (LOL)I don’t want to lose hime because he might end up being like Jordan (LOL) Marvin is our best perimeter defender on the team. (LOL) and the lsit goes on……..
BrittishAnger
July 2nd, 2009
3:36 pm
**Sekou**, hit up your sources about what and where Garret Siler might be pondering off to. I think picking up the shooter Gladyr was as much a gamble on a long-term “Redick” styled player as much as it was just assuming he’d be on the table in free agency as an undrafted. Anybody reaching out to him? Also, did we make any offers to the lesser pieces of the Hawks Puzzles (Solo, Othello, and the bunch), or will we allow them to part ways until summer league starts heating up?
BrittishAnger
July 2nd, 2009
3:37 pm
One Hundredth….