Trade season in full swing
The only place Josh Smith will have to worry about guarding Jamal Crawford next season is in practice, now that it appears Crawford is headed for the Hawks via trade.
HAWKSVILLE - One by one the texts and phone calls started coming in late Wednesday afternoon.
Hawks players wanted to know if what they were hearing was true. So did other team’s players, scouts, coaches and an assortment of other people.
“Are we really going to get Jamal Crawford?” one player asked via text. “Is this serious?”
“You really think this is going to happen?” another asked. “Man, he gets buckets. Major buckets. We could be explosive with him and all our other cats coming back.”
“This is a crucial move for them,” a Western Conference scout told me, “because it was obvious in the playoffs that they needed another scorer with some size that could create a shot.”
Not a single player, coach or executive from anywhere that I communicated with Wednesday objected to the move for the Hawks. Not one person.
Truth be told, they were going crazy about it, with one guy calling is a “master stroke” since the Hawks moved two for one without sacrificing draft picks now or in the future.
For years folks have complained around here about the Hawks not being active enough during trade season (the time before the draft through the start of training camp when all the league’s best wheeling and dealing is done). Well, you’ve got your wish.
And you can dissect it every which way now that it appears that Crawford will join the Hawks in exchange for Acie Law IV and Speedy Claxton being sent to Golden State (the only detail left is for Crawford to sign an agreement saying he won’t exercise the opt-out clause in his contract).
Of course, the Hawks aren’t the only team working the trade season to their advantage. Deals are to be had for teams looking to add and subtract players and salaries in an effort to retool for the coming season. LeBron James and Shaq appear to be headed for a whirlwind season in Cleveland. Mike Miller and Randy Foye will bolster the playing rotation for Flip Saunders in Washington after the Wizards pawned off a lottery pick and some spare parts for real players in a deal with Minnesota. And Richard Jefferson’s arrival from Milwaukee (for scraps) breathes new life into a San Antonio team that seemed headed for an eternal ice bath in the playoffs.
There will surely be more craziness to come, perhaps even during tonight’s draft. But make no mistake about it, the teams moving and shaking now are the ones positioning themselves for the future (immediately for teams like the Hawks, Spurs, Wizards and Cavaliers and not-so-immediately for the Timberwolves and Warriors).
I’m an advocate of bold moves. I’m a fan of bold moves that produce immediate results. And for a franchise that for the longest time was immune to them, the Hawks have a decent track record on their most recent deals of that nature.
In the summer of 2005 they went after Joe Johnson, then a restricted free agent in Phoenix, and immediately changed their fortunes (it didn’t happen overnight but going from 13 wins to 47 in four years started with that bold stroke). 1-for-1.
They swung for the warning track with Claxton the following summer, hoping like crazy that he could solve their point guard quagmire and deliver them to playoff contention faster than a rookie or youngster only to have that plan blow up in their face after Claxton’s knee’s gave out. 1-for-2.
They gambled on Mike Bibby being able to get them over the proverbial hump and into the playoffs at the trade deadline two years ago and cashed in with back-to-back trips to the playoffs, including home court advantage this season en route to a trip to the Eastern Conference semifinals. 2-for-3.
The Hawks' point guard of the future could be Wake Forest star Jeff Teague.
The played roulette last summer with their own free agents, Josh Smith and Josh Childress, allowing the market to set the price on what they should be paid and lost one (Childress to Greece) and hung on to the other one (Smith, who signed an offer sheet from Memphis that the Hawks matched before the ink dried), and then followed that up by adding veterans Flip Murray and Mo Evans to help fill the void. Murray finished in the same spot in the Sixth-Man voting that Childress did the year before and Evans stabilize things late in the year when Marvin Williams went down with a severe back injury for the final month and half of the regular season. 3-for-4.
This deal for Crawford makes sense for so many reasons, as the digital tag-team duo of Mark Bradley and Jeff Schultz have already pointed out in separate takes on this latest roll of the red, white and blue dice.
Crawford certainly sounds like he’s pleased with the move, especially when you consider the situation he’s coming from in Golden State. And just like when the Hawks acquired Bibby and the skeptics wondered how he’d fit, things worked out because Bibby was a seasoned pro that knew what was expected of him when he came here and he delivered. I suspect Crawford’s situation will be similar in that he’ll come here realizing that this is his chance to shut up his doubters and prove that he can be a part of a winning operation.
Much like Bibby was when he arrived, Crawford might be a short term solution to a problem in need of a long-term answer. There’s no doubt the Hawks are still in need of their “point guard of the future.” And that’s where the true beauty of this deal for Crawford has been a bit overlooked. The Hawks didn’t have to include the 19th pick in the draft to get the backcourt insurance needed if unrestricted free agents Bibby and Murray aren’t re-signed this summer (and Crawford’s arrival doesn’t necessarily signal the departure of either guy. In fact, the Hawks would be best suited to find a way to keep them all in the fold if they want to solidify their ranks).
They still have that draft chip to snag the guy they want and need. They have studied all their point guard options up close and personal the past two months. They’ve seen Jeff Teague, Ty Lawson, Toney Douglas and Eric Maynor in person, had them all in for workouts at Philips Arena and had a chance to ponder what each one would look like alongside Johnson, Smith, Al Horford and the rest of the gang.
Whatever happens, they won’t go into next week’s open of free agency from a position of weakness where Bibby and Murray are concerned. They’ll operate from a position of strength with a chance to nail down the present and future at the position all at once.
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Ed
June 25th, 2009
3:19 am
My guess is the Hawks take Teague but my preference would be Lawson as there is just something special about him. Woody doesn’t like small PG’s so Teague has an advantage there plus I imagine they look upon him as a more explosive scorer.
Ed
June 25th, 2009
4:18 am
So James Johnson is your pick Sekou. He could be a beast but the weight gain translates to an obvious lack of concern for his own future.
matt
June 25th, 2009
4:49 am
wow, the draft seems so different with the hawks not being in the lottery. they need to shore up and hopefully find a pg. luckily this is a pg heavy draft and should have several options to pick from. i really hope we can get ty lawson. if not, jeff teague or brandon jennings should they be available be interesting options. alas, i really like maynor, as i feel he is one of the most complete guards and could contribute right away, but may not have quite the ceiling as the other 3 i have mentioned. all in all, it should be an interesting draft that could really keep the hawks among the echelon in the east if they can make this pick worthwhile in the future.
Marcus
June 25th, 2009
5:02 am
Great job. Getting a productive player/scorer in this trade for 2 players (Acie and Speedy) whose best assets are … sitting on their ASSE(T)S is a steal.
My only question is whether this changes the direction of the 1st round pick or is it full-steam ahead with whomever we originally coveted, presumably a PG “for the future”.
Marcus
June 25th, 2009
5:36 am
Sekou,
on your 6/25/09 mock, you have the Hawks taking Jeff Teague. Any reason why they take him over Eric Maynor (if all falls into place)?
buffalo bill
June 25th, 2009
6:04 am
how many years left on crawfords contract and at what price?
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
6:38 am
Please Mr. Sund,
NO BJ MULLENS! NO HANSBOROUGH!
It’s quite obvious if the Hawks take Mullens, he would be a developmental player. At this point with Woody, I don’t want the Hawks to waste another pick on a player who needs time to develop while Woody is at the healm. Just take a look back to the draft a few years back, the Hawks were slammed for taking another forward at the #4 pick, Al Horford. Most experts assumed the Hawks would take Mike Conley Jr. out of Ohio State and instead the Hawks passed on the raw but talented gaurd and took Horford – and then came back with the #11 pick and took what experts called the most ‘NBA READY’ POINT GAURD available in that years draft – Acie Law. We saw how the development process carried out for Acie with Woody calling the shots, and I would honestly conclude that Acie never had a chance here in ATL…
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks tried landing Hansborough solely based on his ‘hard working attitude’. His talents are made out for the NBA either, but his ‘hard working ethic’ and the time he puts in to study the game is something teams like the Hawks looked at when they worked him out and they would be the type of team to take him based on that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they took Hansborough to replace Zaza – who i would assume will not be resigned if they take another big.
But please, BOLSTER THE BACKCOURT. Even if the Hawks finalize the deal for Crawford, the Hawks still need to surround JJ with some talented gaurds. The Hawks relied too much on two guys – Bibby and JJ – to produce solid numbers in the backcourt. I would go PG or someone to back JJ up, maybe a Wayne Ellington. If the Hawks can pull off a trade to move back a little and take a Wayne Ellington, maybe try and pull off a trade with Sacramento seeing that they and the Mavs seem to be chasing the same prospect – I think it would help add much needed DEPTH to the backcourt.
JJ, Bibby (if we resign), Crawford (if we finalize), Marvin Williams.
Depth – must add depth to this group. I’m not sure if guys like Flip will be back IF we finalize a deal for Crawford, but it’s obvious even with the addition of Crawford, we still need help in the backcourt!
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
6:40 am
I meant Hansborough’s talents AREN’T made out for the NBA.
HawkKingBibby
June 25th, 2009
6:44 am
This trade reminds me of the one BK hoodwinked Philly into when we dumped Big Hog Robinson on their behinds. Now we are having slop dumped on us. Crawford is just like Hog he refuses to even try to play D. How is that going to mesh with Woody? Bibby is a bad defender but he at least gave effort on defense.
Kevin
June 25th, 2009
7:26 am
Maynor is the real deal!
mountain_jim
June 25th, 2009
7:44 am
Get Jack, not Bibby, to get tougher defense from the PG position and save dollars for a big defensive Center in FA.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:48 am
Sekou –
Will you be blogging at all during the draft?
I’m shocked to still see four letters with B. Jennings at 19. If he’s there, he HAS to be the pick. He’d be the ultimate swing for the fences pick.
After sleeping on it, I do like the Crawford move, but let’s not put this in focus as a game changer yet. It will be a great move if:
- A quality point is signed/resigned/acquired trade
- A quality center is signed/resigned/acquired via trade
- A back-up power forward is signed/acquired via trade
- Three additional rotation players are signed/resigned/acquired via trade
Right now the roster looks like this – based on players under contract and assuming the trade goes through:
1) ?
2) Joe Johnson
3) ?
4) Josh Smith
5) Al Horford
6) Jamal Crawford (if the trade goes through) (1/2/3)
Mo Evans (2/3)
7) ?
9) ?
10) Draft Pick ‘09
11) ?
12) Randolph Morris
13) ?
14) ?
15) ?
So before everyone goes all happy-happy, take a look at this roster. No quality back-ups at 4 or 5. A huge hole at the 1. No starting 3 (because that’s sure as hell ain’t Mo Evans). And no rotational depth.
Is it better with Crawford and without Claxton and Law? Yes. Is there still too many unknowns to think this team could with 47+ game in ‘10? In my opinion- yes.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:52 am
And before anyone points it out, I left out Marvin Williams on purpose. While he is restricted, there isn’t a guarantee that he’ll be back. Feel free to slot him in as the starting 3 – but it still doesn’t address the majority of the issues (although it does solve one of them).
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:59 am
And because I feel like it – as a comparison – here’s the roster IF all significant current free agents were resigned (which they won’t be):
1) Mike Bibby
2) Joe Johnson
3) Marvin Williams
4) Josh Smith
5) Al Horford
6) Jamal Crawford (if the trade goes through) (1/2/3)
ZaZa Pachulia (4/5)
7) Flip Murray (1/2)
9) Mo Evans (2/3)
10) Draft Pick ‘09
11) ?
12) Randolph Morris
13) ?
14) ?
15) ?
I left Solomon Jones, Mario West, Thomas Gardner and Othello Hunter off. It’s amazing how little anyone mentions Solo on here.
rainman
June 25th, 2009
8:08 am
I still think our best chance to get a quality defensive center would be Marcus Camby.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:18 am
There will be a blog dedicated to the draft up later Chuck, no question.
Teague over Maynor is just an educated guess based on all the conversations I’ve had with folks in the know. I think Teague’s better myself. More explosive and has a chance to be a more dynamic scorer and player in the NBA … just my two cents, though.
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
8:31 am
excellent excellent excellent excellent move!!!!
we gave up NOTHING for a player who has a sick crossover move patented and can score 50 in any game! so bibb is guess is obviously gone. lets keep flip. holy cow is jamal starting for us???? forget shaq. this is an outstanding move. YES
Clyde
June 25th, 2009
8:31 am
Jeff Teague and Jamal Crawford ain’t gonna help our soft interior defense. When they drive right past them Horford is just gonna move out the way like usual.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
8:32 am
Sekou, I just want to say I like the trade…Crawford can lighted up…the writing was on the wall for Acie. I like Teague too. If it was to go down like this in the draft with Siler in the second round…need less to say I would be a very happy camper…I’m all about the team…FOLK!!
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
8:36 am
Come on we traded NOTHING for a sick and prolific scorer.
i am not worried about cleveland getting shaq. as chad ford said, all lebron has around him are veterans. they are not built to beat the celtics and after this coming season, everyone on the team will be 40 and it’ll fall apart
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
8:37 am
Is jamal an automatic bench player for us or do we start him at the 2 and joe at the 3 and let duck walk? or do we resign marvin and let jamal be our 6th man? gonna miss flip if he leaves us
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:42 am
All that stuff is possible tribe, that’s the beauty of the deal to me. You can in any number of directions with this one.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
8:42 am
I didn’t think it was a guarantee that Bibby would come back for that mid-level stuff…not when you a BIG TIME SHOOTER like that…there just not many PGs that can shooted on a dime like’em.
Sekou, have you heard anything about the head winds surrounding his negotiation…Crawford would definitely help filled the void.
Rock Preston
June 25th, 2009
8:42 am
http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/ci_12684265?nclick_check=1
Trade can’t go thru until July 1
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
8:43 am
jamal crawford scored 50 points in a freaking game. how many players in the nba have done that? who cares about his defense? i don’t recall the lakers being an amazing defensive team throughout the year. \get the best possible pg in the draft who can HOPEFULLY play well \come on sund, get us a good pg\ and resign our bigs
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
8:43 am
Sautee has it right, if the front court dosen’t recieve more touches and if we don’t take advantage of our young studs, there will be chemestry problems.
A couple of weeks ago I was in favor of trading for Jefferson. The Spurs did. Which trade do you like better? Crawford is a good player but shoots like JJ, Bibby and Flip. Their shooting percentage is not good enough to go to the next level.
Everybody keeps talking about signing another big. ZaZa and Solo don’t get enough minutes now because of Woody rides his starters so much. Why would a big want to come here if he dosen’t start.
We keep talking about a deeper bench, why would a good player want to ride the bench. With the addition of Crawford will Flip and Evans be happy? If we added Charlie V, would ZaZa be happy?
Is this the real reason Chills didn’t resign?
If a better big man is needed and If Crawford is to stay, why not package Flip, ZaZa and draft picks together for an upgrade on a back up center.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:47 am
tribe called quest! –
i hear ya on crawford and 50pts, but keep in mind two ex-hawks who put up 50 in a game before coming here:
willie burton
tony delk
no comparing the three as players, just saying that flukes happen.
NekiEcko
June 25th, 2009
8:49 am
I think that Hawks may have another deal going for tonight draft or later on in free agent period. I think that this trade will work wonders more than Crawford can 1/2.
1. If you can bring everybody back including Marvin, find a way to bring Chill back from Greece (I know that it wont happen but man can dream right) and bring David Anderson as well, you can have a very deep bench that can spell major relief for the starters and much more. Plus more pieces to move around if need it.
2. It shows that ASG is committed to try to get the Hawks over the hump into ECF, and it is now or never for Woody next year, Win or Go Home
For the draft tonight I think is going to be Eric Maynor as our pick, but Jeff Teague is a close second but if Brandon Jennings drops down to us, I will take him in a heartbeat but you will have to keep Bibby until Jennings is ready.
hawksfan
June 25th, 2009
8:54 am
Sekou, is there any particular reason why you bolded Horford’s name along with the point guards?
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
8:55 am
Jamal crawford will be the best move asg have made since they took over.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:58 am
financially, this doesn’t change this year much, and ownership will not go into taxland. if more two of the four bigger free agents are retained i will be shocked. realistically, marvin and bibby will probably make similar salaries as will zaza and flip. i just don’t see the ownership putting another 12M on the cap (assuming 7M for bibby/marvin and 5M for filp/zaza). that’s why i think that unless marvin signs an offer sheet early, we’re in for a long, slow summer with the hawks waiting for other teams to make a move first. why overpay if you don’t have too?
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:02 am
who will be there at 19 ? ty lawson i hope.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:05 am
Please no jeff teague.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
Dan
June 25th, 2009
9:05 am
I think we should figure out a way to either get Tyson Chandler or Marcus Camby….trade for Childress and maybe a draft pick
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:07 am
Sounds like we plan to outscore teams, especially if we’re looking at Teague (described as an indifferent defender).
I’m expecting Sund to add front court players who won;t require touches, guys like Chris Wilcox and Stromile Swift. Guys who will be content rebounding and getting the dunk off dribble penetration, but won;t have a single play run for them.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
9:07 am
PS I did like the trade. Getting rid of the Speedy contract was smart. Acie under Woody was not going to work. Crawford becomes the new Flip. A nice up grade.
As stated Woody won’t play more than 8. If playing time is a ship, will Flip and Evans be jumping off to get more playing time on another team? If we find a better back up center, don’t you think ZaZa will want off the ship to?
If we keep Bibby or trade for another starting pg, how happy will Crawford be? Where do Chills and Marvin fit in? AAhhhhhh so many questions and so few minutes to spread around.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:08 am
WITH this trade it only make sense to bring back marvin to balance it out.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
mudcat
June 25th, 2009
9:13 am
It is being reported at Yahoo Sports that it was WOODSON who didn’t like the Crawford for Law-Claxton trade. Could this possible be true? Is Woodson really that big of an idiot?
tvsportscaster
June 25th, 2009
9:14 am
Sekou, I still believe if he’s available because how you mentioned they went gaga over him during the workout, that if Hansbrough is available the Hawks will probably take him. We’ll see though, none of the point guards really knock my socks off.
tvsportscaster
June 25th, 2009
9:15 am
mudcat, Woodson was skeptical of the trade because he was worried about Crawford opting out of his deal, which Crawford has already now assured him he will not do.
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
9:15 am
Good point anakin. wilcox is a very nice piece who was borderline-allstar material a couple years ago.
and to people who think we can resign everyone and bring back chillz and get david anderson, come on. we dont have the moeny for that
Mz. Hawkdafied
June 25th, 2009
9:16 am
I think the trade for Crawford is a good move for the Hawks. I was surprised when the Knicks let Crawford go. I remember him with the bandage on his shoulder lighting the Hawks up. Boy was he making me mad because he was so good and scoring on the Hawks like it was so easy. I’m not so sure about the guy’s defense cause I was so blinded by all the points he was scoring. LOL
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:17 am
We have our starting point guard bibby is gone.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:19 am
ESPN’s Hollinger gives the trade a thumbs up because we gave up nothing (I certainly agree) but expresses these concerns about Crawford (again, I agree):
“I’m in Nelson’s camp in my distaste for Crawford — though he is one of the more talented one-on-one scorers in the league, this was probably all Golden State could get for him due to his contract and his inability to defend, pass, or take quality shots. In nine seasons in the league, he’s yet to play on a team that had a winning record or made the playoffs. He’s picked up terrible habits on those forlorn squads, becoming a pure gunner who needs the ball in his hands to create lots of shots at average efficiency and defending with as little effort as any player in the league.
Yet it must be pointed out that Atlanta gave up absolutely nothing of value here, and his arrival allows the Hawks to go in a couple different directions in the backcourt. The best alternative would be to bring Crawford off the bench in the sixth man role that Flip Murray filled a year ago. Murray, like Crawford, is a one-dimensional scorer who can play either guard spot, but Crawford is a bigger, more effective version of the same player, albeit one who likely will give up as many points as he scores”.
tribe called quest!
June 25th, 2009
9:27 am
Flip did cost 15 % what jamal crawford will cost…oh well. who cares if he cant play defense? name one starting pg we’ve had over the last 5 years who has played defense. royal ivey?
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:27 am
Jamal can play the point he is 6′5 and aggressive player thats we need i no he is a shoot first past 2 but he will be a playmaker at the point that will make every one better.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:34 am
aj, didnt we have that in bibby, but it was one who gives up more points than he scores?
Daniel
June 25th, 2009
9:34 am
Great move for the Hawks. Not only does it give a solid scorer in exchange for two non-players, it also improves our negotiation position with Flip and Mike. Two questions.
1) How does the impending Shaq trade affect Zsa’s market?
2) I have seen Toney Douglas all over the place on draft boards, any chance he makes it to 49?
Daniel
June 25th, 2009
9:36 am
darrell and tribe-
I hope that the Hawks have no intention of using Crawford as our starting point guard. He is much more likely to fill the Flip role with better offensive output. We could still keep Flip, because his salary just went WAY DOWN with this move.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:38 am
Sekou do you have any report on woody not agreeing with the trade if so his a$$ is gone next year sund will get rid of him quick how can you not like this trade as a coach its not like he is a genius being a coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
fudd21
June 25th, 2009
9:45 am
As Hollinger states he is one of the better one-on-one scorers in the league. Last time I watched a Hawks game that wa our offense. Pass it to someone and let them go one-on-one. Woody also likes PG’s who are spot up shooters like Bibby. JC can run the point and be a spot up shooter or run the 2 let JJ get some rest and take over the scoring. I’m giddy about this trade.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
9:47 am
Rick sund please bring in avery johnson to coach this team dont waste a another year with woody he will be lost on the side line with his arm fold shaking his head not understanding whats going on.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Daniel
June 25th, 2009
9:50 am
darrell- where are you getting that?
I MUS WRITE
June 25th, 2009
9:51 am
Good trade IMO …………… Good luck to Acie out thur on the west coast. I hope he can pull it together and atleast become productive. I know Nellie likes shooters and Ac isnt that but we’ll see what happens. Crawford is a flat out scorer- big time ,but he is also turnover prone and takes a high volume of shots. With that said the man has to be on a short leash. He will definitely improve our bench scoring – this deal is really a steal considering it only took 2 bench warmers to get the guy.
I still want us to get a vet PG as well as draft one- Jarret Jack and Lester hudson in the second
Then we draft Derek Brown from Xavier to be our Ariza type – Find a way to get another second rounder to get the yung’n G Siler.
J Jack
J Crawford
Derek Brown
G.Siler
Lester Hudson
Sign ZAZA S&T Marvin for a C
Now this is probably just wishful thinking but ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!
O add Charlie V to that list lol
bill
June 25th, 2009
9:58 am
you guys are dumb if u think we’d pay 8 mill for a guy to ride the bench Crawford is starting at 1 plz every1 get that str8 now.
1) Crawford
2)Johnson
3)Marvin- if we resign him/ or we dont trade him
4)Josh Smith
5)Al horford
what the hawks could do is
resign Flip and Zaza
Trade Marvin and a draft pick for for Chris Bosh or Amare and we’d b looking like
1) Crawford
2)Johnson
3)Smith
4)Horford
5)Bosh or Amare
6)Flip
7)Zaza
8)Evans
9)Solo
10)Hunter
11)Gardner
12)Morris
13)West
14)?
15)?
we can add some free agents and b fine or pick up some undrafted players
kwooden1
June 25th, 2009
10:02 am
Anakin Joe, I understand your problems with Crawford, but the end of your last post is what I’m thnking. The HAWKS need to use him like Denver uses JR Smith. Tell Crawford you’ve got 20-25 minutes to score 50 points GO!!! This doesn’t solve their problem of getting a PG for the future or more rebounding help, but it should take a lot of weight off of JJ in terms of scoring! Of all the moves that have occurred so far (Spurs – Bucks, Wizards – Minn, Clev – Phoenix) I definitely believe the HAWKS is the best!
chuckw, I see what your talking about, but the HAWKS can’t make Free Agency moves until after the draft, so as for now this is a great start. A lot of work has to be done, and we’re going to loss some players. I personally think Zaza and Flip are gone, which I can handle if we keep Bibby and Solo. Draft a PG in the 1st and the biggest body you can get in the 2nd. Use the MLE to get another PF. If that gets done, I think it will be a successful off season.
As for being able to compete with Orlando, Cleveland and the Celtics; that’s up to JS and Horford. Horford has to develop some better go to moves and JS has to rebound better and develop a jump-shot.
GO HAWKS!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:07 am
doc, yes. But just because you had a broken Pinto doesn’t mean that you go out and get a broken Gremlin. And it sounds like, we may ultimately have both the broken Pinto AND Gremlin. Again, I thought the point was to fix problems, not maintain them. It seems like many are defending this trade by saying “hey we’re no worse than we were”. And that may be true… we go from one-dimensional Bibby and Flip to one-dimensional Bibby and Jamal. So I guess Sund’s evaluation over the last season was “this formula works, let’s stick with it”.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
10:08 am
BILL your right jamal is a starte at point thats why they made the trade not for him to come of the bench if thats the case they would have made the same trade for jarret jack.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
10:10 am
IMUS,
I agree with you, but how do you suspect we are going to get three second round picks. Do you think the Lakers will give us their 29th pick so we can snag douglas?
adam keefe
June 25th, 2009
10:18 am
Good trade, but we will regret giving up on Acie Law, just like with Diaw. Woodson is a complete idiot. Law has a lot of talent and the few times woody gave him some playing time he delivered. remember the first Boston game, Who do you think made the key pass to Marvin for the 3 pointer? Acie Law. But after that game Woody took Acie Law out the rotation. until we get rid of Woodson we will never win big. No nba team can win with a 8 man rotation. Woodson lets personal issues dictate playing time. think about it woodson could have had a good bench right now but he didnt like most of these guys..
C. SOLO
PF.DIAW
SF. EVANs
SG. SALIM
Pg .ACIE LAW
Salim will also have a breakout year with Mil. I think Crawford should start at Pg, because in woodson offense JJ has the ball 75% of the time.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
10:19 am
Kwooden1 excellent point about horford he have to work on some post move this summer and dont be so mechanical and josh have to work on his fundamental of basketball and play smart and learn how to position him self when rebounding on the board and play above the rim.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
rainman
June 25th, 2009
10:21 am
Sund will be the man if he can land a quality center (i.e.Camby, Chandler, Amare, Bosh). Who can say what we would have to give up?
If we had this piece, the team would be quite versitile (Horford 4/5, Smith 4/3, Crawford 1/2), and could be pretty good.
I wonder what the plan is with Joe Johnson — with him being on the last year of his contract.
Hawks73
June 25th, 2009
10:28 am
I certainly like the move for Crawford, but I am still a little skeptical. I believe this signals the end of Bibby (unless he would a agree to a super discount). The money Jamal is making would make me believe he is our starting PG. I would argue that Flip was just as important to the Hawks overall success as Bibby…without solid play from Flip Bibby would have been exposed (due to fatigue and poor defensive play). Also, Zaza is/was the only player on the Hawks roster willing to the “dirty work” needed in the playoffs…even in limited time.
I would hope we keep at least Flip & Zaza and add some depth through the draft and or free agency.
Billy Nite
June 25th, 2009
10:29 am
i would go with blair with the 19th if he is there a young pg wont play for woody n u can get a project in secong round maybe lester hudson
Craig Claxton
June 25th, 2009
10:31 am
I hear that Oracle Arena has a comfortable bench.
Looks like it’s time to buy some new suits!
doc
June 25th, 2009
10:31 am
man aj, you comparing bibby to a pinto? come on man, where is the love dude? jag he not but pinto? give the man at least mustang cred, makes good noise but doesnt handle like a porsche. remember this is basg land and see what sund has done? got something better because acie was a broken model and speedy was on the junk pile. i’ll say crawford at least a 2010 camero folks are drooling over. good trade but it seems unless it is kobe you got some issues with almost anything.
swatguy
June 25th, 2009
10:32 am
Crawford as a starter. The guy can bust 40 pts twice in a week. I do not want to think Flip is not needed. Flip is needed. Flip is neccesary on the court and the locker room. So, do sign Murray also. The movement this week changes all possibilities. Washington getting two starter quality guards mean Javaris is more than expendable. Jarvis I believe can be a second-third 1/2 guy on the bench. Expanding Joe to the 3/2 position opens up moving Marvin towards a Felton/Sessions/Hinrich acquisition. Signing Chillz to back up the 3/2 positions would solve the “Move Marvin” scenario. If Chillz is not signable a Rodney Carney or Jarvis Hayes to back up Joe at the 3. All of this makes #19 a BAP pick.
Jim Burn is Roaming
June 25th, 2009
10:33 am
Ok, Hawks fans!! You won 47 games last year. How many wins does Jamal Crawford translate for the Hawks?
I still see the Hawks battling for the 4th or 5th seed.
1.Clev 2.Orlando 3.Boston 4.Hawks or Chicago or Miami
What do you guys think?
Rod from College Park
June 25th, 2009
10:35 am
All of you who continue to think that Jamal Crawford will be a bench player on the Hawks are delusional. He is probably the best offensive weapon on the team now. Joe does not have that killer mentality like Jamal Crawford. All of you stat guys, who know so much, look up how many game-winning shots Crawford has hit in his career, and I promise you no one on our team is even close. You can’t blame him for the teams he has been on. Blame Isaiah, Nellie and whoever coached the Bulls at that time. This guy is an upgrade for Bibby, and I think he will be our starting point guard. He not only can shoot, he has the ability to penetrate and get to the rim, which is something Bibby could not do. If Bibby is resigned, he should be used like Jason Terry is used in Dallas.
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
10:35 am
Bill,
Just because he makes $10 mil per year doesnt mean he cant come off the bench. There are other player who came off the bench making big money. For example:
Manu Ginobli, Jason Terry, Wally Zerbiack, Lamar Odom (just to name a few).
As long as the Hawks are willing to spend money, I love this move. Draft a PG, sign Jarret Jack, resign Zaza, and use the midlevel to sign a PF who does not need the ball (like AJ suggested). And resign Solo. JJ can play the point for a few minutes, Crawford can play the point for a couple minutes as well (Bye Bye Flip). We can also sign another cheap/serviceable PG for insurance.
Our team:
Jack/serviceable PG/19th
JJ/Crawford
Marvin/Mo Evans
Josh/Free Agent PF (Wilcox, Bass)/Solo
Horford/ZaZa
doc
June 25th, 2009
10:38 am
rod, now dont fall over … ditto/agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
see, i am not all bad, heh heh, just mostly.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:47 am
How many magic beans does Sund have left in his bag? Can he turn Mo and Randmo into Camby????
Rick
June 25th, 2009
10:48 am
Trade for Crawford is amazing. One of the most glaring problems with the Hawks is that the offense runs through Joe Johnson , you know, I-so-Joe. Joe runs around the double screen, gets the ball from the point guard whose only job is to turn the ball over to Joe. Joe waits for his defender to catch up, challenges his defender, double team forms, Joe challenges double tem, 12 seconds go off the clock, team stands around. What are you trying to do corner the market on shooting guards that don’t pass?
kwooden1
June 25th, 2009
10:53 am
If you start Crawford you defeat the purpose of bring him to the team. Anakin Joe is right, Crawford is a volume shooting, ball hog that rarely passes (even though his assist #s aren’t bad!!) But that is why you bring him off the BENCH FOR JJ!! Don’t make a player be something he isn’t! Crawford is a scoring machine! If he’s hot, he can score with anyone! If he’s not put him back on ice and bring him in again later! When Crawford’s on the floor he should have the green light to score at will!!
Daniel
June 25th, 2009
10:54 am
Anyone that thinks Crawford is a starting point guard for a contending team is crazy.
So Rod you are dead wrong.
Yeah, I love the idea of trading Marvin for Bosh. I also like to have millions of dollars fall out of the sky and into my lap.
O’Brien, I like your idea, but not Jack, rather have Bibby or Sessions, and no need to keep Solo.
Bass over Wilcox, no doubt.
Doug Edwards
June 25th, 2009
10:54 am
The Hawks traded for Chris Crawford?!?!?
Didn’t we try this before?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
10:54 am
I wouldn’t care if Crawford sat next to me every night or sang the national anthem, if you’re the Hawks you need a cat like that on your team.
Woody hasn’t held up and can’t hold up anything. So I don’t know where anyone got that started. I’m sure he wanted to make sure Crawford was on board with whatever role the team has planned for him. But a coach (not named Phil, Pop, Jerry or LB) holding up a trade, get serious.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:05 am
doc, I would have been thrilled with a better defensive backcourt and a few fewer shots for our backcourt and more offensive love for the frontcourt. I don’t think that is asking for much. But it appears that last year’s formula will remain intact.
Funny, I was more happy about last season than most around here. And yet I’m the one who is barking the most about essentially remaining status quo. And yes, while Crawford is better than Flip and hopefully #19 is better than Acie/Speedy, the formula is essentially the same.
And with that said, we need to move Marvin. If all we need from our SF is defense and 7-10 points, then we shouldn’t look to pay $8M+ for Marvin. Maybe we can get Bruce Bowen as soon as he is cut loose from Milwaukee. Or Devean George. We just need someone cheap and thick enough to avoid being run through by Pierce, Granger, Beasley, Caron and LeBron.
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
11:10 am
Have yall heard about the trade that might be going down today? Amare Stoudamire, Leandro Barbosa, and the 14th pick for T-Mac, Aaron Brooks, and Carl Landry. Who do you think would get the better end of the deal?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
11:12 am
I will go back to someone I mentioned a few weeks ago as a potential trade target – James Posey. If Sund could somehow, some way, craft a deal for Posey and Chandler, suddenly the Hawks could push Orlando. Since NO might dump salary, maybe they’d take Marvin or Chils (as a sign and trade), Evans and a future pick.
Too much coffee this morning, but that would be an exciting deal for the Hawks to add lock-down D with the offense Crawford could provide. Might it mean Horford would come of the bench of swing to the 4 with Josh Smith to the 3? Sure, but I could live with that.
Bertie
June 25th, 2009
11:15 am
Sekou: It seems that Brandon Jennings might be available at #19. If it was up to you, would you take him?
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:18 am
Teauge Has a Filthy Crossover and there weren’t many ppl who could stay in front of him and deny his penetration in college. I think that makes him the ideal fit for the Hawks coupled with his size and decent shooting stroke. We need a slaher to get crawford and Joe open looks teauge is probably the guy. Not to mention that by taking lawson, there will be pressure by outside media and fans to play him right away(I doubt he’s available when we pick anyway) because he’s very seasoned/experienced, whereas Teauge is a lttle more of a project so no one will mind if he sits. Which is great because Flip has been good for us, and Woody will spoon-feed him the minutes anyway.
Also, Teauge over Lawson/Mills like I said, he’s bigger. Over Maynor because i’ve seen him in a bigtime scoring role but never as a facilitator.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:18 am
G-Man, I read that rumor. If Phoenix does that, then they are in full rebuilding mode and Nash will likely be traded by February. In 2 years, Steve Kerr would have traded Shawn Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw, Barbosa and Nash.
From ESPN’s Chad Ford:
Chad Ford: What’s the upshot of the Hawks’ rumored deal for Jamal Crawford?
If it goes through, I think you can kiss Mike Bibby goodbye, Hawks fans. A source close to Bibby told ESPN.com that Hawks management has sent the signal to Bibby that they might not re-sign him this summer.
The trade for Crawford doesn’t preclude them from taking a point guard in Thursday’s draft. The team is looking at Brandon Jennings, Eric Maynor and Jeff Teague.
ToeKnee
June 25th, 2009
11:20 am
Sekou, when i first heard about the cawford trade instant reaction was positive, but now im not as sure. i think he definitely makes us better but you are always saying we need to run thru horford and smoove more, do u really see that happening with all the guards we have now?? and personally i’d love to see us resign errrrrvrybody bibby and flip. we need to ADD to our team to make it better, we’re almost there. go hawks! and i think hansbrough is exactly what we need. did you see what the nuggets bench did in the playoffs? then tell me what active big guys off the bench can help you do, i dont see any way that hansborough wont be a better nba player in time than verajo and hes been a starter for years now. plus he will contribute next year, which is what we need.
ISNT IT GREAT TO ACTUALLY BE PLANNING FOR NEXT SEASON AND NOT 2-3 YEARS FROM NOW FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!
MBZ
June 25th, 2009
11:26 am
I like the trade, he is another guy that can create and take pressure off Johnson. It is going to be very interesting to see what direction we go in tonight and for the rest of the summer. Jamal Crawford would be most effective off the bench as the offensive focal point of the second unit. I agree with Anakin with the whole wilcox thing…Wilcox was a seattle guy when Sund was there.. I have been on this blog screaming about how we need a new coach to implement an actual system. That is probably not going to happen until at least the start of the season, if the hawks get off to a rough start. Woody is going to have to be be very careful about how he deploys Crawford in games…allowing him to do his thing but stopping him and teaching him to defer to his bigs if he is having a cold shooting night. I remember the season Jamal Crawford was in New York with Larry Brown. He will never be a lock down perimeter guy, but he showed some effort under Brown. Even Flip has been known to be a lackluster defender at certain points in his career but he did put in a concerted effort this year during stretches. The main thing is, you cannot allow Crawford to take shots away from Williams or Horford. The offensive development of our frontcourt is the future of this franchise.
I’m not sure how this is going to play out, because Woody is not one to go more than 8 deep. If we draft Teague, will he get minutes? Will he be Acie Law 2.0? I think conventional wisdom says that if we draft a pg, he HAS to be groomed from day one to take over the reigns in about 2-3 years.
A Tribe Called Quest
June 25th, 2009
11:31 am
People need to calm down about Crawford and his infamous immaturity and ballhogging. He is finally on a team with real players (Joe, Horford). No more Marbury or Monta or Isiah. We just need Jamal to understand his role. I loved watching Duck and Flip in with the 2nd unit this past year. If we could resign Marvin and have him and Jamal in with the 2nd unit while Joe gets major rest, watch out. Joe’s minutes should go way down this year.
SHAKE AND BAKE!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
11:34 am
Nire or MannyT,
Can you S&T an UFA?
Rod from College Park
June 25th, 2009
11:44 am
Daniel,
It’s not the first time I have been called crazy here. Majority of people here told me earlier in the year that I was crazy when I said I would take Trevor Ariza over Marvin. Who should be evaluated me or them? I think you are crazy if you think that on the first game of next season, if Jamal Crawford is on our roster, that he won’t be walking out with the starting unit. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Lets put our best ball handler, scorer, penetrator, and knock down jump shooter on the bench, on a team that has a problem scoring. Makes perfect sense? (LOL)
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:44 am
Just a question:
Why is everybody assuming he will come off the bench? Do you guys not see him starting at the 2 or 3? They could slide JJ over to the 3 and maybe start Crawford at the 2? I know this only makes a team that lacks size smaller, but it’s a thought.
If the Hawks resign Bibby, then you will have essentially the same team minus a couple bench players. I think either Marvin Williams or Crawford will be the 6th men coming off the bench. People keep comparing Crawford to Flip – but he’s got a couple inches on Flip. Sure his game is very similar to Flip – but didn’t we see Mo Evans – whose also 6′5 – play at the SF when Marvin was injured last season? Or we can move JJ – whose got a couple inches on Crawford to the 3 and move Crawford to the 2. I just think it’s a bit premature to assume that he’s best suited to come off the bench. I think a prolific scorer like Crawford should be given the nod to start over the likes of Marvin.
I think considering the injuries we saw out of Marvin last season – this deal for Crawford is a safety valve to prevent things from falling apart at the 3 spot. I’ve been saying that the Hawks need to upgrade at either the SF or the PG. Well, if you slide JJ to the 3, it might hurt our size – which hurts our rebounding ability. But, JJ’s production is still an upgrade over Marvin’s production. Slide Crawford to the 2, and resign Bibby ( + use the draft pick to pick up backcourt depth).
Basically, this move gives the Hawks some versatility. They can go with a bigger lineup and throw Marvin into the mix, or they can go a bit smaller and have 3 solid scorers (JJ,Bibby,Crawford) in the lineup.
Just to add a couple more points, resigning Flip would be IDEAL. Having a couple guards who can come off the bench and give the starters rest is important. Honestly, I’m thinking of this Crawford move as an upgrade to the TEAM, not an upgrade over FLIP. I think it’s key to have BOTH of these players in here, and if they intend on resigning both Bibby + Flip, don’t be surprised if Sund takes another BIG.
Mel
June 25th, 2009
11:46 am
I HOPE & PRAY we draft Teague. He DESTROYED Lawson this season. He lit him up for 34 in one of those games. Im not sayin he’s the next CP3 but DO NOT let another Wake Forest guard slip out of our hands
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:47 am
Melvin, I think so. I think Seattle did that with Rashard Lewis. It gives the player a higher salary (because the incumbent team owns his Bird rights), while that team receives something back for that player. And the receiving team doesn’t have to compete with other teams for the rights to that UFA. Again, I think that when Seattle S&T Rashard to Orlando, he was a UFA.
Rick Sund
June 25th, 2009
11:47 am
Wow Sekou, thanks for the kind words!! I think Jamal will fit in just fine with the ole ball club, him and J-Smoove will have the green light to shoot from anywhere on the court. (Clank!! rotfl).
Anyway, I am so excited for the draft tonight, I can not even begin to tell you. Wait until you see what we’ve got in store with the 19th pick, your next blog post will be called “The Draft Pick Heard ‘Round The World.” Will it be our Point Guard of the Future (who we have been looking for since 1987)? Will it be another one of those athletic big men that Billy Knight would fall in love with every year? Or could it just be that 7-foot white dude BJ Mullens? JK, I would never do that to Hawks fans and purposefully draft a bust.
My phone is ringing off the hook but I don’t want to talk to these other GM’s anymore, they make such bad trade offers – this isn’t fantasy basketball!! LOL. I’m ending this message as I need to do some jumping jacks so I can relieve some stress before the draft festivities tonight.
All my best,
Richard Sund
General Manger, Atlanta Hawks
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
11:49 am
Please no jeff teague now if brandon jenning is there i say take him or ty lawson.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Stating the Obvious
June 25th, 2009
11:54 am
I think you are crazy if you think that on the first game of next season, if Jamal Crawford is on our roster, that he won’t be walking out with the starting unit. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Lets put our best ball handler, scorer, penetrator, and knock down jump shooter on the bench, on a team that has a problem scoring. Makes perfect sense? (LOL)
If you think that Jamal Crawford is better than Joe Johnson at any of those things, then yeah – you do need to be evaluated. And isn’t it clear that pretty much no one agrees with you on your assessment of Marvin vs. Ariza?
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:57 am
Melvin,
Yes, definitely. And that’s probably the only way Bibby gets more than the mid-level this year.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
11:59 am
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTE JAMAL, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD,
BENCH FLIP, MOE, CHILL OR HAKIM WARRICK, CHARLIE V, OR SOLO, ZAZA,
RESERVE 19PICK TY LAWSON, SOLO
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
12:00 pm
Co-sign kwooden1
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
12:00 pm
Just another question I’m throwing out there because I’ve been thinking about it:
IF:
Bibby and Flip resign, Crawford deal finalizes, and the Hawks take a backcourt player in the draft – essentially the Hawks will have secured their backcourt.
BUT:
There will be several question marks about the front court (Smoove, Horford) especially if Pachulia isn’t resigned.
Do any of you see Sund pulling the trigger on a package deal involving Smoove for another big? Maybe a package deal for Al Jefferson from the T-Wolves?
I’ve been thinking about this. I know I’m not a GM and there are things that would have to be worked out, not to mention if the T-Wolves would even go for this – but I think THIS APPROACH (via trade) is a better approach than drafting another big.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
12:01 pm
By the way, before any of you grill me, I’m a BIG SMOOVE FAN…
But when your talking championships, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Stat
June 25th, 2009
12:05 pm
Jamal Crawford is the
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
according to Rick Bucher of ESPN the “the Suns are not done and would not have moved Shaq if they didnt plan on moving Amare… they are looking to rebuild a team that would fit well around Steve Nash, young bigs that could defend (particularly the pick and roll) an run the floor”… “look for something to happen before or during the draft”
interesting…. hmmmm…
fudd21
June 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
I think Chad Ford is right. I think this means Bibby is out the door. The guy made 15mil last year and I know there is NO way we were going to pay him that much. It may have been a situation where Bibby wanted say 10mil per and we were only willing to pay him 7mil per. Either way if we don’t resign Bibby this gives us some room to resign or other free agents. Oh yea I can’t beleive I’m agreeing with Rod (cause I like Marvin) but JC will be introduced with the starting 5 opening night.
Rod from College Park
June 25th, 2009
12:30 pm
Stating the Obvious,
If you think that Jamal Crawford is better than Joe Johnson at any of those things, then yeah – you do need to be evaluated. And isn’t it clear that pretty much no one agrees with you on your assessment of Marvin vs. Ariza?
1. Best ball handler – Joe is a better ball handler than a guy who has played poiint guard in the league for 8 years? OK
2. Scorer – Joe is not a great scorer. Crawford scored 50 points twice this year. Joe is a better player, not a better scorer.
3. Penetrator – Joe never penetrates. Jamal does, and can finish. He has a potent crossover.
4. Jump shooter – Debatable. the point is with him and Joe on the floor he will get a lot of open shots. I’ll take my chances.
If you actually watched the playoffs this year and can say that you think that Marvin Willams is better than Ariza in any way, then we have nothing else to talk about. Make sure you get the NBA package next year, so you can watch other games besides the Hawks.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
12:33 pm
We’ve all killed Woody for not playing his young players. He got rid of Salim, Salim has done nothing since. 1 for Woody. He got rid of Diaw. He blew up in Phoenix. 1 for us. He got rid of Acie. To be continued. Maybe Ole Woodrow doesn’t play certain young guys for a reason. Maybe they cant play. If Acie stinks it up in GS, in Don Nelson’s guard friendly offense, we might need to back off Ole stubborn butt a little bit.
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
12:43 pm
Darrell Starks,
What do you have against Jeff Teague? Have you seen the highlights and potential all-star in this kid?
Napoleon XIV
June 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
Rod,
We’ll be coming to take you away this afternoon. He he ha ha.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
12:47 pm
Toney Douglas= poor man’s D- Wade
Ken Strickland
June 25th, 2009
12:55 pm
With Zaza and Solo(who’s definitely not coming back) being FA’s, and RMorris being the only BIG on our bench under contract, wouldn’t it make more sense to draft a replacement for them? It would’t make much sense to resign both Flip than Bibby because starting Bibby would leave 2 very simular players in the same roll, playing the same position, coming off your bench. Resigning Murray instead of Bibby and starting Crawford makes more sense.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
12:58 pm
TB, Salim hasn’t played since he left here….injuries. We;ll see what he does this year with the bucks.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:00 pm
Solo will be back…
MBZ
June 25th, 2009
1:07 pm
Solo aint comin back. Strickland, I’m not sold on Hasborough which is the only big good enough to fill a hole for us this year at 19. After Marvin Williams, Zaza is the most important FA we have to sign. Then Bibby. Then Flip. In that order.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
1:07 pm
Compare the 2 bibby and jamal.
bibby 6′1 jamal 6′5 edge jamal
bibby cant creata his on shot jamal can edge jamal
bibby 3pt 39pct jamal 3pt 33pct edge bibby
bibby avg 14.9 jamal 19.8 edge jamal
bibby 5 asst jamal 4.4 asst with less talent edge jamal
bibby no defense at the point jamal good defender at the post edge jamal
so what im trying to say is that we have up grade this team at the point and if we can resign marvin, flip, zaza, and bring back chill watch out this team can contend instead of being a pretender in the playoff.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
MBZ
June 25th, 2009
1:08 pm
Look for Sund to sign some bigs( as mentioned in MArk Bradleys blog) that will rebound and defend without having plays having to be called for them i.e. Chris Wilcox
MBZ
June 25th, 2009
1:11 pm
Also, IF Crawford makes an attempt at defense, which he did for stretches under Larry Brown, Woodson’s switching could be less of a liability on the perimiter at least. Keep in mind that Crawford is only 190 lbs.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
1:11 pm
Yao, Amare, and Artest in the frontcourt. Wow!
Daniel
June 25th, 2009
1:14 pm
terrell your 12:32 post was right on the money.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
1:24 pm
“Funny, I was more happy about last season than most around here. And yet I’m the one who is barking the most about essentially remaining status quo. And yes, while Crawford is better than Flip and hopefully #19 is better than Acie/Speedy, the formula is essentially the same.”
LOL…uh, yes this definitely is one of the most ironic things I’ve see here in quite some time. Heh heh heh…ohhhh, man…
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
1:29 pm
“If we draft Teague, will he get minutes? Will he be Acie Law 2.0? ”
This is funny… I just got done watching three Teague highlight videos, and came away thinking the exact same thing. Teague is Acie minus the passing ability and court vision. He is lightning quick and can get his own shot, but I didn’t see one play in which he was attempting to set up other players. Not one. Now granted, Youtube highlights are not the most scientific way to judge a prospect, but usually when you watch a point guard’s highlights you see at least one play in which he set up another player with an easy shot. Not in Teague’s case. I think he has a bright future with the right team, but as long as Woody’s system is based on the point guard shooting and passing instead of penetrating and breaking down the defense, I think Maynor is a better fit than Teague. And I think Maynor is a better pure point regardless.
I MUS WRITE
June 25th, 2009
1:30 pm
GMan I was saying Derek Brown@19 ,Lester Hudson @ 49 and getting another second rounder by offering money or a Mo Evans to get Siler
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
1:31 pm
Knowing the DASG, I am inclined to agree with Chad Ford about Bibby being out the door with Crawford’s arrival. But knowing Chad Ford, I am inclined to disagree with Chad Ford. Who knows… maybe the DASG will surprise me. I certainly think the Hawks are a 50-win team if they keep Bibby, but with Crawford and a rookie splitting time at the point… I’d be prepared for a step backwards.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
1:34 pm
Does anyone (Manny T, Big Ray, Ando if his ghost is around) know the answer to this:
Can multiple players from one team be signed and traded as part of one transaction to one other team?
For example: Could Marvin Williams and Josh Childress both be signed and traded to the same team as part of the same transaction with, say, Toronto for Chris Bosh?
Just curious.
doc
June 25th, 2009
1:36 pm
aj, what is wrong with “the formula” of being guard oriented, the coach you defended all year came up with, that got us 47 wins. dude, did you lost it in the heat this summer, get a tick bite or something?
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
1:37 pm
Guys I have to admit I am salivating after watching videos of Brandon Jennings. Do you really belive we have a shot at him? If so, what do you think is the percent chance of him falling to us?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
1:44 pm
Terrell,
Acie is going from one ol’ stubborn butt to another. I wouldn’t say it’s the player too quickly. Golden State may not give him any more of a chance than we did. In fact, I’m not sure going to play for Nellie isn’t WORSE than playing for Woody. Ask Jamaal Crawford. One week it’s “I want you to go out there and shoot until you get tired.” The next week it’s “Get out of here, I don’t even like you.”
At least Woody is honest. If he doesn’t like you, it won’t take long to figure out, and it won’t change. Nellie is a liar and a trickster. We’ve heard it before from many a different player (now don’t ask me to give links to all the articles and interviews I’ve read on the subject).
One of the things I find strange is how Crawford is bashed for being a ball hog who never passes, can’t play defense, etc. Every team he’s played on, his role was to shoot and score. Chicago figured out quickly that he was a scoring pg/sg type. That’s why they drafted Hinrich the next time around, figuring that he would play the more traditional pg role, while Jamal played the 2. It didn’t work because Jamal is really a scoring pg, not a 2.
We all know things were awful in New York. I don’t recall that squad playing good defense. In fact, I don’t recall them playing good offense either. The team was a wreck. Jamal’s role AGAIN, was to score. He did that.
Fast forward to Golden State. Oh yes, a defensive basketball Mecca that place is. Wonder why Jamal didn’t play a lot of defense, and chucked up shot after shot? Anybody ever hear of a guy named Don Nelson….
Funny, I don’t remember his defense being any worse (it was actually better) than Gordon’s, yet everybody likes Gordon. As for him not being able to pass, turnover prone, and other BS: his career assist-to-turnover ratio is essentialy 2-to-1. Better than Flip’s ratio, but everybody likes Flip.
Meanwhile, where is the confidence that some people had in Mike Woodson? Surely he can do great things, especially with veteran players who know how to excel in the roles that they are called upon to play.
And why, oh WHY are people who INSISTED on Mike Woodson’s offensive scheme as “something that works, don’t mess with it”, suddenly OH SO SAD that…uh, well, it looks like that “scheme” might be sticking around for a minute or two? Oh, the humanity! Whatever shall we do? Gee whiz, gosh golly darn it, just when I was warming up to Woody and his brilliant offensive strategies, we have to go and bolster/augment it, and ruin everything! Huh???
And then there are those who thumbed their noses at involving the frontcourt more, spending their time villifying our younger players, and extolling the virtues of the COY candidate. Now you’re wheedling about the frontcourt guys not having prominent roles? Huh????
Of course, let’s not forget the assertion that there is no reason to believe we’ll be as good next season as we were this past one. Again, the hue and the cry, and already some say we’re not going to make the playoffs now.
If it wasn’t so sad, I’d laugh. Ah to hell with it, I’m just gonna laugh…
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
1:44 pm
terrell barron….
Rockets might be more than willing to pull the trigger on that trade involving T-Mac, Brooks, and Landry for Barbosa and Amare… given Yao injury uncertainty…
i just hope Amare doesnt go to Miami… rumor has it he will be dealt before the draft… PHX wants “young defensive minded big who can run the floor”…. Landry isnt necessarily that… wish it was HORFORD!!
but Artest is still a free agent…
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
1:45 pm
Here is a game Jennings played this season against TAU Ceramica. If you watch his high school highlights, you are going to salivate, because he simply dominates them. This may give a more realistic assessment of his abilities right now, as Euroleague competition is at a higher level than NCAA and lower than NBA (at least in my opinion). Jennings is far from polished and needs a lot of work on his shooting form, but he is easily more impressive physically than any of the college PGs in this draft, and it’s very encouraging how he looks to pass as often as he looks to shoot (which many young PGs don’t do). I think if all coaching is equal, he easily develops into the best point guard in this draft, Rubio included. But he is going to need a lot of seasoning and won’t contribute immediately.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:47 pm
Does J.R Smith start for the Nuggets? Exactly. It’s called balance smart people……good teams have it. Our starting lineup is fine. WE needed to bolster or bench and that’s what Sund is attempting to do.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:49 pm
Poop, he’s not better than Any of the other guards going in the 1st round(except maybe Rubio) trust me.
Samuel
June 25th, 2009
1:49 pm
Good move. How can you complain when we get a guy who can score 30 and give up “two” scrubbs. Please!
To more important stuff:
Blogging from Savannah where my baby girl just went “Back2Back”. National AAU all-around Champion two years in a row.
Headed to Tybee Island but i’ll be watching the draft. Lawson or Johnson 1st and Courtney Fells 2nd. Let Bibby walk and sign Sheed.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
1:51 pm
Chuckw,
Been enjoying your posts. That question is best steered towards MannyT or maybe Niremetal (assuming he’s not studying for the Bar exam…naughty boy). Some of the other guys around here may have the answer as well.
Najeh,
I feel precisely as you do about Chad Ford. Think about this: if Bibby is a goner, then we can still re-sign Flip, or go after another veteran pg via free agency/trade. In fact, I think the Hawks would just about have to do that if they draft a pg or not. We still need a young guy for the future (as has been said by others before), so I’d like to see one drafted. However, acquiring a guy like Sessions or Jack isn’t bad either. Sessions is the younger of the two (I think) and has some good NBA experience under his belt. It would be like having a draft pick with the benefit of NBA game time. Besides, he has some learning to do, as a draft pick would.
Here’s what could be happening. If the front office likes Jeff Teague, it’s because they may be seeing a young Bibby. Can’t blame them for that. Woody may not like that, but he would have Crawford and Flip (or another veteran pg) to lean on in the meantime, while Teague grows and develops. Or so we hope…
That’s just one line of thinking.
Doc,
Methinks it’s the curse of being a natural contrarian, not a tick bite. Then again, what some call a curse, I call a CHOICE…
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
1:51 pm
Hansborough = Matt Harpring
RJ
June 25th, 2009
1:51 pm
Everybody Look what Brandon Jennings can do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXJvsWEmcw
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
1:52 pm
Samuel,
Congrats on win by/for your girl! Where you at, man? I’m probably within a few miles of you, and since I’m off work, I’m on the stroll.
RJ
June 25th, 2009
1:52 pm
I agree terrell barron
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:53 pm
If we don’t bring Bibby/Flip back, we will be taking a step backwards in our development as a Championchip caliber team.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
1:55 pm
Ariose,
Good point on your 1:47 post. Don’t know if it plays out that way, though. If Bibby is not re-signed, don’t be surpised to see two tall guards trotting out with our young frontcourt.
jerrywest
June 25th, 2009
1:58 pm
Najeh- youtube mean nothing. Go check the Yi, and you’ll think he is a combo of Hakeem and Larry Bird.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
1:58 pm
Hansborough < Matt Harpring
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
1:59 pm
Stop it with the Brandon Jennings talk. No way he falls to 19. Bank on it. He probably wont make it past Diantoni and the Knicks. Especially if Curry is gone.
Mitch
June 25th, 2009
2:01 pm
The Hawks need to start answering the following questions:
1. Who can guard Devin Harris? That dude was an instant drive score or pull-up J score every time the Hawks played the Nets…as are Koby, Lebron, Brandon, etc.
The best answer tonight for Devin Harris would, IMO, be Toney Douglas. Douglas is quick enough to crowd PGs and prevent or slow penetration.
2. Can the Hawks continue to play without a true center? Better yet, who is going to slow down Dwight Howard? If the Hawks can’t slow Howard down, they have no shot at winning the division, let alone the Eastern Conference crown.
This may sound crazy and it probably is, but, there is a way to solve the center problem tonight, but it would cost the Hawks JSmoove: JSmoove to the Grizzlies for the #2 pick, 7-3 C Hasheem Thabeet. Al moves the 4 where he belongs and ZaZa backs them both up. Thabeet needs to add muscle and develop an offensive game, but he’s the best shot blocker to come out of college in quite some time. Not sure if I would do this, but it’s an intriguing thought. The Grizzlies would—we know they love JSmoove and they’ve been wanting to trade the #2 pick anyway.
The Clippers have been dangling C Chris Kaman out there…can a deal be done there? He’s a big body and can block shots.
Remember: Dwight Howard…what are we going to do?
Plus, back to question #1…running the likes of Devin Harris, Brandon Roy, Kobe and LeBron into Thabeet would be a lot more daunting that running them into Al or Zaza.
3. Post threat? When was the last time the Hawks had a legitimate post threat?
The best threat on the team right now is JSmoove…how about keeping him on the post instead of on the perimeter where he likes to chuck up shots?
How about Blair from Pittsburgh? 6-7, but with a sneaky big wingspan and perfect postman’s body to pin and seal his man with.
4. Is Rick Sund going to build this team with a focus on the fast break?
Imagine what Ty Lawson would add to the Hawks’ fast break? To get him, Sund would have to move up. Will he?
5. Is tonight’s pick moot? Woodie hates to play rookies…has little patience with them. Are there any players at #19 that can crack the 9 man rotation?
The answer is: most likely not…which means that trading up (to get the 9th man in the rotation) or back (to add another pick and depth potential) might make the most sense. There may be little interest in the 19th pick…but if lets say Brandon Jennings was still there and the Hawks weren’t sold on him, they might be able to get a player or a couple of picks for the #19.
Brandon Jennings could be one of the real wild cards talent-wise in this draft, but let’s be real, just as with the case with Acie—who was FAR more ready to play in the NBA–Jennings won’t see the floor with Woodie in charge, except at garbage time…not just for this year, but for next year. The kid is 19 years old…wherever he is, he’s got to play.
Thus…how about the possibility, if possible, of getting an established player in a trade for the #19 pick?
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
2:02 pm
Mitch, it’s Kobe,not Koby. Come on man. lol!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
2:02 pm
Ray, I don’t think the Hawks are realistically going to look to add another veteran newcomer to the backcourt — either Sessions or Jack would cost more than a rookie point at #19. Just the feeling I have. I think they will keep either Bibby or Flip and probably draft a point guard. So like most people have been saying, I think best case scenario is a backcourt of Bibby and Joe with Jamal off the bench, and worst case is Jamal and Joe with Maynor/Teague/Lawson/Jennings and Flip off the bench. Especially after the RJ trade, I don’t think the Bucks are letting Sessions get away without at least sign-and-trading him for some other young talent.
I still feel that if the Hawks bring back Bibby, the Crawford trade is excellent. If they don’t, it’s a step backwards, although if they get their PG of the future at #19 may make it OK a few years from now.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
2:02 pm
Mitch, I sure hope your last name isn’t Kupchak.
nique
June 25th, 2009
2:05 pm
I would love if the Hawks somehow got Rondo. Any chance of that happening?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
2:10 pm
Big Ray – Thanks, I come out of hiding in the off-season and when I’m not buried with work. Today, I make time despite being buried.
Maybe I’m just being pragmatic just for the sake of playing the devil’s advocate, but I don’t think I’d be shocked if, despite all the talk and mocks of PGs and Mr. Tar Heal, the Hawks shock every body and take somebody like Omri Casspi or Nick Calathes so they can stash them this year (or more) overseas.
If ownership thinks this is the year to “go for it” with JJ and potentially Marvin as UFAs next Summer, drafting a point guard or a big that might not contribute much this season may not be in the plans. Since the Hawks don’t use the D-League, the thought could be, sign someone like Royal Ivey (I’m sure you love that Big Ray) who has been in the league, won’t cost a lot and can adapt to the roll of playing 10 mins a game without hindering development.
Then, if the Hawks don’t go deep in the playoffs next year, and the decision is make to let JJ walk (or sign-and-trade) and build around Josh Smith and Al Horford, the team can bring in their pick who has been playing as a pro and shorting the next rebuilding time-line.
If the Hawks were to advance deep into the playoffs this year, then the additional revenue generated might lead to the decision to resign JJ and/or Marvin (if he is retained this year) and keep the pick stashed for another year or two until it is more financially viable.
Or something like that anyway …
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:13 pm
doc, just because I refused to call for Woody’s termination off a 47 win season doesn’t mean that I think his formula is the ultimate answer. I won’t ever apologize for enjoying a 47 win season, home court advantage and first round win. And I won’t apologize that I wasn’t pointing out every wart on the team along that magic ride. (I know that you weren’t but many of the regulars seemed to enjoy our failings as much as our successes).
My rant is mostly about what I perceive as the opportunity cost of this acquisition. I hope that I am wrong. But I suspect this deal will ultimately cost us far more in the long-term than any gain we receive by having a prolific $10M scorer added to the roster.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
2:15 pm
LOL@ Ray’s 1:44pm post!
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
2:17 pm
HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE MOVE! This man can straight light it up and will help JJ SO much! I’m so excited about this team for next year especially if we can sneak Lawson or Jennings from this draft. Ford has us getting Jennings. If we do then I say we are a legit threat in the East.
Ken Strickland
June 25th, 2009
2:26 pm
MBZ-why get so up in the air about THansbrough? If we draft him it won’t be as a starter. His size and versatility would provide an immediate asset coming off our bench. He can certainly provide more production than RMorris, if given a chance. The fact you don’t like him, or the way he plays, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a valuable asset to the Hawks. Rejecti8ng a player and not giving him a chance because you don’t like him or the way he plays is the same approach we’ve gotten from Woodson.
BIG RAY-if we draft a PG for the future, who’s going to help him along with his development. How will he develop any consistency spending most of his NBA experience on the bench and receiving limited and inconsistent mins, while being expected to play mistake free basketball, or be punished.
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
2:29 pm
With apologies to S.I.:
Signs of the Apocalypse:
Anakin Joe actually quoting the “imminently credible” Chad Ford as ammo in a rant. LOL!
Watch out for that lightning bolt, AJ!
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
2:32 pm
Samuel,
Big congrats on your daughter’s success!
Your “daddy pride” must know no bounds about now. Go ahead and burst, man. you and she have earned it.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:32 pm
Chuck, I was sitting with my newspaper at lunch and thought the same thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sund takes Casspi and keeps him in Europe. Mo Evans’ salary is comparable to #19, so next season, Casspi would fit into the salary slot. And if the rumors are true, Marvin will be offered his QO only (which I think is a bad move) and we bring back our starting front-court for one more year.
My other thought was if they plan to S&T Marvin, they may pick Sam Young now and try to move Marvin in July. Get Minnesota to choose a PG at #18 and then S&T Marvin to the Wolves for Cardinal and #18 in July. The T’Wolves GM would have re-made his roster in one summer to have a rookie backcourt (like maybe Evans & Flynn) with Marvin, Al Jefferson and Kevin Love. That would be an amazing young nucleus to draw the fans. Sam Young becomes our SF and #18 our PG of the future. Cardinal is one of those bodies to help our shot-happy backcourt. That would give Sund 3 players at around $11M.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
2:34 pm
After watching plenty of point guard highlights on Youtube, here are my point guard rankings from the Hawks’ perspective (meaning taking into account how well they would fit with Woodson and the current scheme). I didn’t include Rubio and Curry because every projection says they will be gone long before #19, and I didn’t include Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans because to me they are NBA 2-guards.
1. Jonny Flynn, 2. Eric Maynor, 3. Ty Lawson, 4. Brandon Jennings, 5. Jeff Teague. 6. Toney Douglas.
There is a big gap to me between 4 and 5 as far as ability as a point guard though. Teague and Douglas to me are scorers in point guard bodies — Teague is impressive as a scorer but I have a hard time seeing him fit the Hawks’ system, and Douglas is a good college scorer who seems more like an NBA defensive specialist to me. Flynn, Maynor, Lawson, and Jennings have all shown to varying degrees the ability to pass and set up teammates with shots. I have Maynor ranked higher than many people do because I think he fits the Hawks system great — he comes into the league with NBA 3-point range, pretty good passing ability and the ability to score from anywhere on the floor. Strength is his main issue, since he’s really skinny.
And like I said earlier, if everything is equal I’m taking Jennings ahead of any of these guys. I just don’t know if he will succeed here with Woodson as coach considering how much he has to develop.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
2:35 pm
what do they plan on doing with Varejao?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
2:39 pm
“Najeh- youtube mean nothing. Go check the Yi, and you’ll think he is a combo of Hakeem and Larry Bird.”
That’s a fair point, but you have to know how to watch Youtube highlights if you’re going to quote them too. Anybody’s Youtube highlights will show them scoring, dunking, hitting big shots, etc. It’s about whether you can picture those skills translating to the NBA, based on the way they pulled off those moves. In Yi’s case, he looked a little too awkward in his Youtube highlights for me, which raised a red flag before the 2007 draft.
I agree with you that Youtube is a far from perfect way of evaluating players, but considering it’s pretty much all I have as someone sitting on my couch with a laptop, it’s a lot better than nothing.
Oh yeah, and the choice of music for Yi’s highlights was a pretty big red flag too…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:39 pm
Samuel, congrats to you and your daughter. I want a signed Wheaties box after she wins Gold in 2014.
Sautee, it was one of the few times that Ford has soruced a Hawks rumor. If we know anything, we know that Team Dime is large, social and seemingly well-connected.
I’d feel light years better if we end up with Jack this summer. That would actually be an attempt to address some of our problems (leadership void, lack of work ethic and poor perimeter defense). At best, the Crawford move means that we aren’t taking a step backwards. I’m still looking for the move that allows us to take a step forward.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
2:39 pm
Anakin Joe,
I’m sure there has to be a better market for Marvin then #18 and Cardinal. You could had least given us the #5 or 6 in this so called weak draft.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
2:40 pm
Najeh,
Makes sense to me. I think you’re right, but a step backwards may have been coming anyway. I’m not saying that it was for sure, but with all the bases we had to cover, it was as likely as not.
Chuckw,
That could happen. Good things have come from the D-league, and some not-good things as well. I don’t know. Looking forward to the draft, though.
Astro Joe,
I can’t even touch that one. Absolutely masterful. I’ll bet you NEVER got hit in a dodgeball game. NEVER. Gosh, if I had known all you were doing was enjoying a 47 win season and not calling for Woody’s head, I’d have ignored the other 99.9% of what what you were saying….heh heh heh…
Anybody seen Honest Abe????
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:42 pm
Najeh, I agree with your PG ranking except I would probably flip Teague and Douglas as I place a little more value in Douglas’ ability to defend for our team than Teague’s ability to get to the rim.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:43 pm
I want to know where is mykhalc to give us his Crawford’s scouting report. Or did he appear on last night’s blog.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
2:44 pm
Melvin,
I can’t even comment on that Brian Cardinal thought, other than to say I DO NOT want the player OR the contract. I don’t think I need to say why, either.
I think we all are looking for that move than can help us take a step forwards. I seem to remember being told repeatedly last summer that I was being way too impatient, GMs don’t need to show their cards before it’s time (or choreograph their moves), and a bunch of other noise.
Well here it is in early offseason, and the shoe is squarely on the other foot.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:47 pm
Be honest Ray. You know that I used the term “shot-happy backcourt” a few dozen times during the season. And I talked about expanded roles for our front-court WAY before yesterday. Come on now. I’ve been screaming organic growth for years now. And that wasn’t directed to crusty backcourt vets, but to our frontcourt (including Chill at the time).
SB
June 25th, 2009
2:48 pm
Good move by the Hawks. I think he starts at point guard, I don’t see the ASG paying someone more than 9 million to come off the bench. We are not Den, Dal, or SA. He doesn’t have Bibby’s shooting touch, but he is bigger, more athletic, and a better defensive player. He will also penetrate, which is something we have not had at the point guard spot in a long time.
The Hawks should try to trade up to get Jennings. Outside of Rubio he has more talent than any other guard in this draft. Woody’s track record hasn’t been great with young talent, but this kid has a certain determination about him that could make him different than past draft picks. His confidence is high and he’ll have a mental toughness that the other rookies will not have.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:50 pm
Ray, I’m not asking him to show me his cards.. I will wait for them to be played. I just think that he led with a 5 of diamonds with Crawford… and in spades, you rarely lead with a 5. But the game continues. Hey, if you guys could complain about everyone of 35 losses, then surely I can moan about a $20M contract for Ricky Davis/Flip Murray/Jamal Crawford.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
2:53 pm
Hey Speedy is gone along with Acie who was never going to play under Woody. Now is the time to trade Crawford for a draft pick. What ever we get – who cares. The idea was to dump Speedy’s contract. This gives us the money to resign Chills. Win Win. Same team as last year + one Chills.
Bibby’s haircut will pay for ZaZa and Marvins raise. With Chills onboard there is no reason for Flip unless he will sign for min raise. Evans also.
With Woody there is no reason to think deep bench. There are only deep splinters there.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
2:56 pm
if Jamal comes in here and wins “6th man of the year” what we paid for him will be null and void… he is 2x better than Flip; shooter, ball handler, free throw% and distributer… how many times did we see Flip iso at then end of the quarter to only turn the ball over.. not as likely to happen with Mal’…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
2:57 pm
Melvin, I think Marvin for an expiring contract and a “PG of the future” may be about all you can get. Let’s face it, not too many teams are missing their SF of the future. That’s what I believe reduces Marvin’s value.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
2:58 pm
lol @ “Bibby’s haircut”
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
2:59 pm
Ken Strickland, i understand everything you just said about Hansborough, but let’s be honest, if any of the big name PGs are on the board, wouldn’t they play out as MORE VALUABLE assets than just another big body we can throw into the game for a couple minutes?
Say for instance, Brandon Jennings. If Jennings is still on the board? Would the Hawks pass on him for Hansborough?
I personally think instead of taking a BIG that you may have to develop, you let Bibby go to ease some cap space to help sign some BIGS that are free agents.
THIS DRAFT IS PG HEAVY – IF THE HAWKS TAKE A PLAYER LIKE HANSBOROUGH – a type of player that you can aquire in any draft -I WONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK.
It’s not like his talents are unique…well actually they may be. Have you seen the kid play in the post? He has ZERO technique. Let’s be real, he’s not gonna be banging bodies with college kids anymore, the chances his approach works in the NBA are SLIM. He’s developed a decent jumper from about 10-15 feet from the basket, but even with that, he doesn’t seem like the type of player that YOU CANT PASS ON.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
2:59 pm
Using this backdrop, we should trade JJ for Rondo. Rondo can get the ball to the front court which is our dream. This team might be to most effictive running team with good defense in the league.
MBZ
June 25th, 2009
3:03 pm
Strickland,
Didn’t say i dont like Hansbrough I just dont know if he is going to be a Louis Scola or a Mark Madsen. We need to be sure… And DraftExpress just updated theier mock draft. Maynor and Lawson are projected to go before 19
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
It’s like we have the conversation EVERY SUMMER.
There are big name PG’s coming out, and the Hawks start talking about taking more BIGS.
Let’s make sure we don’t have this conversation NEXT SUMMER – SOLIDIFY THE BACKCOURT!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
ESPN is saying if Brandon Jennings isn’t selected at #10, he may slide to the 20s. That sounds strange. They said he may opt to not sit in the green room so that he isn’t looking like the sad lonely puppy.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:08 pm
There are questions about his ‘professionalism’ – but honestly – if Jennings is sitting there when the Hawks pick and the Hawks don’t take him for another mediocore BIG…
I don’t even know what I’d do.
Doubt he’ll fall to us anyway though.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
Let’s play a game. Everybody compare Tyler Hansbrough to an NBA player who is not white.
I’ll start: Udonis Haslem.
Harry Hawk
June 25th, 2009
3:14 pm
I can’t wait to see a Jamal/Joe starting backcourt. They’ll have to saw the ball in half.
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
3:18 pm
give Crawford a season to play under the BRAINLESS ONE…he’ll opt out…NO DOUBT!!!!
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
3:18 pm
OK Najeh, how about Reggie Evans? Energy guy, good rebounder. Not a lot of offense. Sound like PsychoT to you?
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
If players like Drew Gooden are playing for less than 2 million why would we pay a Crawford 9. If Woody instructed Marvin to take over 1,000 attempts a season I’m sure he could average 20 a game also. Same with Josh or Al. JJ gets the shots – gets the points. It’s all about balance.
Believe in shot percentage – not points. Believe in defense – not average points per game.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
Poop, Brandon Bass & Chuck Hayes lol.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:25 pm
You guys still aren’t getting it…
You have to
1)Be on the court (something Marvin’s having problems doing)
2)Take your attempts when you get them (I kinda disagree with you here Kevin because Josh takes his shots when he gets them – he just doesn’t make the most of his attempts)
WE TRADED 2 NONFACTORS FOR A FACTOR – PLAIN AND SIMPLE – I DONT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS ARE STILL DEBATING WHETHER IT WAS WORTH IT – Speedy alone was making 5 mil a year just to sit on the bench and recover from injuries…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Najeh, Najera.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
3:29 pm
The Hawks Will be fine at the guard spots for the upcoming season, but if you look at the supersters in the NBA Kobe, Wade, LeBrick James Etc. They are all prolific at getting to the FT. line. Getting Craford didn’t and doesn’t solve that.
Hansbrough, Marvin, and to a lesser extent J-Smoove are good at getting to the line at a high clip…….so, it’s a yes to Hansbrough if he’s there at 19 IMHO.
Sund needs to get us one or two more picks in this draft though….we can give up next years picks….theres not gonna be anhbody special next year.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
3:29 pm
We do not have a back court player that shoots a decent shooting percentage. Maybe we need to think pass first and good defense? That means Crawford, JJ, Flip, Bibby are all peas in a pod.
JJ at pg – he demands the ball anyways, pretty good handle and defends pg’s fairly well. They say the experment failed with him at the pg spot. Maybe he would look better with a more matured Chills, Marvin, Josh and Al to pass to. And when he is hot? He dosen’t need to pass the ball, he has it. With a cheap Bibbby off the bench we could be very tough.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:29 pm
Why are you comparing him to Drew Gooden?
Compare him to what we traded…look what they were making.
Sure he’ll be making more than both combined – but his production also doubles what those two contributed on the court…
By the way, make that 6 mil a year for claxton.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
3:31 pm
najeh… Darius Songaila… thats what he would be in the league at best… but Darious actually has skill.. i liked his college game waaaay more than Mr. Travel… Travel… Every Time
more goodies from Crawwdy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0b65_mNrLU&feature=related
peep that ole’ nasty behind the back crossover… he’ll definitely pull that out at The Highlight Factory
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Wabe look at fg%. Al, Josh, Marvin shot much higher. So did Chills, even Solo.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Here’s another, Najeh… Malik Allen. The guy who I think plays for Milwaukee. I think he will be a much better shooter than people think. That’s why I say Najera or Allen, because those guys can consistently make open 15-18 footers.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
and i only say Darius b/c both of them can shoot… Tyler just out muscled the boys in school.. doubt it will happen in the league…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
3:33 pm
If Brandon Jennings is available when the Hawks pick, thank the Basketball Gods. Now only if I had Sund cell number when that happens…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
Ariose, the Knicks paid the Lakers $3M for #29. That’s when I know the ASG are ready to show and prove, when we see cash transactions.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
Najeh,
AC Green…
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
Wabe – it was a good trade to get Crawford – I disagree with nothing you say except now it’s time to trade Crawford for a pick or player to dump salary. We don’t need more of the same.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
o… snap.. thats not white…? hmmm… Sheldon “The Landlord” Williams
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:36 pm
I agree with you 100% Kevin. You’ve got the right idea. But the point I’m trying to make to you about Marvin is his STRUGGLES to stay on the court. He can’t shoot a high percentage if he’s hurt, as was the case for much of the season and in the playoffs. I think the move the Hawks made for Crawford was honestly a stop-gap measure to ensure that they have a viable option if a player like JJ or Marvin were to get injured…
BOTTOM LINE – THE ADDITION OF CRAWFORD IS AN ASSET..depending on how he meshes with the team/coaches and how he’s utilized.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
3:37 pm
I got you Kevin.
SB
June 25th, 2009
3:41 pm
Got to disagree with you Wabe. Josh shot.492 from the field for the season. He did make the most of his shot attempts, just to many jumpers.
cp
June 25th, 2009
3:41 pm
I think Jeff Foster is a free agent. If so I would rather sign him than Pachulia. He is not a good offensive guy but we don’t need offense. What he does is rebound rebound rebound and block shots. I say we offer the money we have for Pachulia to Foster.
I think Teague fits in with this offense because he can shoot. The knock on Maynor is his jumper. Woody likes guards who can shoot. The only way I pass on both guys is if Jennings is there. The kid has a chance to be real special.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm
not only does he reb. and block shots, Jeff Foster will foul the hell out of you… he gets his money’s worth every time… talking assault and battery…
id still prefer ZaZa though…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
3:45 pm
Anakin Joe,
Who do you want to see wearing a Hawks Jersey #6 next year, Mario or Jamaal? If it was up to me, Mario would be finding a new number (if not area code)……
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:46 pm
Hey, how about Bo Outlaw’s energy in Udonis Haslem’s body?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:50 pm
Melvin, talk about opposite sides of the same coin. One can defend and the other can’t shoot. But they could probably both wear the number 40… there approximate career field goal percentage.
And Jeff Foster has one more year left on his Pacers contract.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
3:50 pm
I could be wrong but I think this team is ready for players to thrive with good ball rotation. With Chills, Marvin, Al and Josh I just don’t want to see the back court dominating the offense like it has the past few years. JJ is to good to lose, to me the rest is trade bait to get defense and passing skills. The rest being Flip, Crawford and Bibby. If you lo0 k at shot attempts and shooting% maybe you will see what I am thinking about.
JJ going into a contract year is going to get his. I just don’t think having Crawford, Flip and Bibby will get the ball down low where we need it. We need to pick one of these three and let two of the go. I prefer to keep Flip off the bench and find a defense, passing pg vet.
We have to solve the problem of great pg’s tourching us. Ocassionaly our frount court gets tourched, but not nearly as often.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
3:51 pm
One won’t defend and the other can’t shoot (to be more accurate).
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
3:54 pm
Do yall think Brandon Jennings personality could be similar to Starbury?
Spirit the Hawk
June 25th, 2009
3:56 pm
Chad Ford: I just updated my mock draft to version 7.1 a few minutes ago. Here are the key changes:
– Sources say the Bucks are now leaning strongly toward Brandon Jennings at No. 10. Over the past 48 hours the Bucks have really fallen in love with Jennings, and it’s possible they would take him even if Jonny Flynn were still on the board.
– I pushed Jrue Holiday to No. 13 at Indiana. The Pacers have been eyeing Ty Lawson, but I doubt Larry Bird can pass on the upside of Holiday. Not only is he one of the most talented players in the draft, he also has great size and defensive ability — two things the Pacers lack in their backcourt if Jarrett Jack leaves.
– With Lawson pushed out of Indiana’s spot, I have him falling all the way to Atlanta at No. 19. Lawson would get a long look in Philly, but from what I’m hearing they are leaning toward Eric Maynor right now.
– And with the Knicks buying the Lakers’ pick at 29, I have them taking Florida State’s Toney Douglas. GM Donnie Walsh is a big fan of Douglas, who is a great shooter and a terrific defender — sort of a poor man’s Ben Gordon. DaJuan Summers and Derrick Brown are other potential targets for the Knicks there.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
3:57 pm
G-Man,
Assuming you’re saying that Starbury has a bad pesonality, I would say its too early to tell with Jennings. He does have a kool-aid smile along with a flashy style of play (the Dwight Howard effect) that could make him a franchise type player.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
3:58 pm
We have to solve the problem of great pg’s tourching us – not possible. The great pg’s are going to torch whoever they play. That’s why they are “great”.
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
4:00 pm
You have to love Draft time. It reminds me of baseball Spring Training where hope springs eternal.
I think we should all be mindful that only a handful of these guys are going to go on to have solid NBA careers. So many of the names thrown out with certainty today are going to fail.
Many of the same people telling us how great Teague, Maynor, Lawson, et.al are going to be are the same people who told us Mike Conley Jr and Acie Law IV were going to be great too!
The hard reality is the Hawks, as presently built, are vulnerable to teams with big strong frontcourts. Drafting a PG will not change this fact. The addition of Crawford and one of these prospects will not be enough to get the Hawks past the Magic, Celtics, and Cavaliers, maybe not even past a healthy Sixers team. That is the truth whether Bibby return or not.
With the Hawks possibly losing ZaZa, the need to address the frontcourt is more urgent than adding another guard. The Hawks should draft for need. If a big is available at 19, the Hawks should take him. If not, then try to swing a trade for a big. Only after exhausting these avenues should they take another guard.
I am under no illusions about Tyler Hansbrough, but if he’s there at 19, I take him. Having a Kurt Rambis type will not hurt the Hawks. It is also protection against losing ZaZa.
Failure to significantly improve the frontcourt will result in the same outcome as this season, at best.
Volman
June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm
Tyler Hansbrough= Eduardo Najera.
JM
June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm
It’s been a minute since I posted (work sometimes gets in the way of my visits to Hawksville) but I had to get in on this one. Crawford can be a beast. When I was in law school in Chicago I saw Crawford play a lot, and dude can light it up. It just takes a few shots to go down for him to get on role. That’s why he should come off the bench and be given the green light by Woody to just do his thing. That way you keep him happy and you get the most out of him, points.
Go Hawks! Damn, I cannot wait until the season starts.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm
Point taken SB.
I’ll go ahead and say this – and some of you might think I’m stupid for saying this – I WOULD RATHER HAVE GORAN SUTON > TYLER HANSBOROUGH.
By no means am I suggesting we take Suton at pick 19, but what I am saying is Suton is a much more versatile player than Hansborough – and is not as raw inside the post. He has some range, and honestly I don’t see Hansborough as being that much better in the NBA game than Suton. To be honest, I think Suton will have a better NBA career than Hansborough. Suton played extremely well in the NCAA tourney and shows that he has the skill set/ability to have a decent NBA career.
I mean, by what most of you are saying, no matter who the BIG we draft, he’ll be coming off the bench. Instead of wasting our pick at 19, maybe try to acquire a pick later in the draft and take a BIG like Suton to come off the bench instead of taking Hansborough at 19…?
Just throwing that out there.
But if you ask me, Hansborough’s not THAT MUCH BETTER than Suton.
My point, we have alternatives. Maybe free agency?
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
4:01 pm
AJ,
You said this to doc: “And I won’t apologize that I wasn’t pointing out every wart on the team along that magic ride. (I know that you weren’t but many of the regulars seemed to enjoy our failings as much as our successes).”
Straw man alert!!!! OK Joe, tell us again just how MANY of these “regulars” ENJOYED our failures as much as our successes?
I couldn’t name a soul, not a single soul, whom I thought actually ENJOYED our failures? Not even Ando, who had money riding on the failures, truly ENJOYED any loss we had.
Not one blogger I could name, but maybe you have some psychic ability that I don’t have?
To my knowledge all Hawks bloggers are actually ROOTING for their team to succeed. But, hey, as I said, maybe I need more psychic ability.
Or maybe it should have read “hay” instead of “hey”.
I understand your need to rant, but let’s keep it at least semi-real.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:03 pm
Good point Jhan.
There’s no defense against Great offense. I would take a great offensive player (Crawford) over a good defensive player (Mario,Bowen) any day. The great offensive players are going to score their points…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:09 pm
Sautee, OK, I will do a better job of keeping it semi-real. And I am sure that you will challenge ALL who also are prone to statements of hyperbole on this blog (which is certainly the wrong place for hyperbole).
Rumor Mill:
June 25th, 2009
4:09 pm
Rumor: Milwaukee is making salary cap space to sign Carlos Boozer. They are set on picking Tyler Hansbrough with the #10 pick in the draft. The Hawks will be picking Ty Lawson or Brandon Jennings with the 19th pick for Milwaukee.
The Hawks and Bucks have agreed to do a sign and trade of Charlie V. for the 19th pick (Lawson or Jennings) and Mo Evans.
Cowa
June 25th, 2009
4:10 pm
Perfect draft tonight: #19 – Jennings/Lawson/Blair/Hansborough in that order. #49 – Thornton/Meeks. Then invite Siler & Paul Harris to suumer league.
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
4:15 pm
Wow – nice rumor
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:16 pm
Rumor Mill, thanks for the information. Good stuff. Before Crawford’s arrival, I would have been thrilled to have Charlie on the team. But if Villanueva wants to get any shot attempts now, he will have to become a combo guard.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:18 pm
Cowa, I like either Aminu or Siler in the second round. I think someone will draft Siler around 55-60 if he’s still there.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
4:19 pm
From Hoopsworld:
Bibby’s Camp Dislikes Crawford Trade?
Yesterday we learned that the Atlanta Hawks have reached an agreement in principle with the Golden State Warriors to send Acie Law and Speedy Claxton to the Warriors for Jamal Crawford. Initially we wondered if that meant the Hawks were planning to trade Joe Johnson this summer rather than risk losing him to free agency next summer. Today, however, things got a little more interesting . . .and a little more bizarre.
ESPN’s Chad Ford reports that Mike Bibby’s camp feels like the acquisition of Crawford means the team won’t look to re-sign Bibby. A source close to Bibby says Bibby feels like this trade is a sign that the team won’t look to re-sign their starting point guard.
HOOPSWORLD has speculated for weeks that the Hawks would take a point guard at 19, though you’re not getting a player who’s ready to start for a playoff team at 19. Our thinking was that Law wasn’t going to work out and Claxton wasn’t going to get healthy, so you draft a player who could fill in behind Bibby and maybe evolve into a starter.
It’s a stretch to say Crawford will somehow impact Bibby, other than probably taking some of his shots. Crawford is not a point guard by any stretch of the imagination. If the Hawks do plan to let Bibby walk away, they almost certainly would have to acquire a starting point guard before training camp. The net gain for Atlanta might be that they don’t have to pay a 31-year-old what he’s likely to ask for – somewhere in the $10 million per season range for the next five years. Adding Crawford gives them additional scoring and more options if Bibby gets too expensive, but it seems logical that the Hawks would still want to re-sign Bibby if possible.
Expect a lot more on this in the coming days.
Pen
June 25th, 2009
4:20 pm
Where is the link for that rumor? :\
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
4:22 pm
Pen,
That would be at http://www.doesnotexist.com
Cowa
June 25th, 2009
4:24 pm
AJ, I like Aminu as well. Just thought we could use another shooter, as they are more rare.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
4:27 pm
Lang Whitaker Reports that the Crawford deal is official now…
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
4:28 pm
“Rumor mill” is feeding us a load of BS. Charlie V is a free agent. He can’t be signed or traded until July 8 at the earliest and discussing a deal involving him at this point would probably be tampering. Even if all that weren’t true, Charlie V’s status as a BYC player and the fact that he almost certainly will be getting a significant raise mean that the salary numbers on that trade wouldn’t come close to matching up.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
4:29 pm
NETS/MAGIC CLOSE TO DEAL TO SEND VINCE CARTER TO THE MAGIC FOR RAFER ALSTON, TONY BATTIE, AND COURTNEY LEE.
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
4:29 pm
AJ,
LOL, like I have the TIME to do THAT! That would be a full time job for a staff of several folks.
Best I can do is joust with the folks I otherwise give some credibility to. Consider it a compliment of sorts. If I didn’t consider you to be otherwise credible, I wouldn’t care enough to point out that particular foible.
But don’t HOLD me to that standard, ’cause PLENTY of times I’m just weak enough to get pulled in by someone’s BS comments.
I guess we all do that at times. eh?
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
4:30 pm
Believe it or not, I agree with Hoopsworld. They’re not bad when they stick to analysis of players’ abilities rather than to speculating on what NBA front offices will do.
Chad Ford, on the other hand, is just a joke. Anyone who still buys into anything he says about the Hawks should be slapped across the face. He’s batting about 0 for his last 2 billion at this point when it comes to Hawks front office stuff.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
4:31 pm
this would be ugly if it goes through:
“The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4287197
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
4:35 pm
Our winning streaks at home was much more inclusive and a more balanced effort to involve the front court. Even when JJ was out Marvin got 20 pts from the line by driving to the hole. Chills had no plays set up for him. He took it to the hole and scored many by offense rebounding. Bibby and Crawford are not inclusive.
Childress and Marvin shoot a good %. Why? Shot selection. Josh and Al shoot a high shooting% Why? they finish aroud the basket well. We need bk court players who finish around the basket. Trade Bibby and Crawford and picks for a couple of pg’s that think pass first.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
4:35 pm
I don’t know, the Magic are pretty deep. They have Nelson at the point already with A.Johnson to back him up. They have Turkoglu, Lewis, Pietrus, and add Carter to that. They would look solid.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
4:37 pm
exactly Wabe… ugyly for us…
our division alone will be tough…
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
4:38 pm
*ugly
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
4:39 pm
The Orlando trade sounds good in theory. But man…I would hate to have to be in that locker room next year. Someone’s gonna have to be willing to give up a LOT of touches if VC comes to town.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:40 pm
Wabe,
I thought the Magic was trying to trim payroll. That deal along with resigning Turk would definite put them in the luxury tax land…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:41 pm
bigdave, that would be funny. because Cleveland just traded for Shaq to help them defeat the Magic and then the Magic go off and change their dynamic by adding Vince (with no one on the cavs able to defend Vince). They move Pietrus to Hedu’s SF spot and rock and roll from there. I do think that they will miss Hedu, because of his ability to create for himself and others off the dribble… but I guess Vince can do that too. And I guess NJ gets some cap space relief unless they think Lee will become a star next to Devin (certainly would create a lightening quick backcourt).
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:41 pm
Sorry Wabe, just saw Bigdave link… Man, I can’t keep up with these post…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:43 pm
Sautee, it’s all good in the Highlight Factory neighborhood. We all do a good job of policing each other. Although I did forget to remind Ray that he seemingly compared Crawford’s career with Bibby’s team success with Sacramento. WOW!
STRETCH
June 25th, 2009
4:44 pm
I really like this guy Crawford. He really torched the Hawks last year i think. But at the same time Atlanta needs think about that FRONT COURT!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
4:45 pm
Melvin, you’re reading these posts like Crawford moves his feet on defense. LOL!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
4:47 pm
Melvin,
Luxury tax? My goodness, they’ll be spending $60M-$65M on just 4 players if they trade for VC and re-sign Hedo. Add in the salaries of Pietrus and Nelson, and they’ll be close to $75M. Their payroll will scare off Rich Uncle Pennybags.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:48 pm
Anakin,
“And I guess NJ gets some cap space relief unless they think Lee will become a star next to Devin (certainly would create a lightening quick backcourt).”
Did you just seim-compliment a rookie that was pick #22 on a 60 win finals team? Maybe it was Astro that was on the darkside about Lee….lol
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:49 pm
Anakin,
Where is my weakside (Speedy) Reader when I need him…lol
Volman
June 25th, 2009
4:50 pm
AJ, I have a quick question.
Do you like Jamal Crawford on this Hawks team?
LOL.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
4:51 pm
AJ…
yep.. its like everyone is playing chess.. and its not like all the moves are being made by bottom feeders… the playoff teams are in action…
as a Hawk im still not satisfied… we still need a block game, easy buckets… and our perimeter d has to be addressed…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
4:51 pm
Nire,
Maybe the Magic are going to spend some of that David Stern Bailout money on their Luxury Tax…lol
KevinA
June 25th, 2009
4:53 pm
Jack from the outside, long rebounds feed to fast break points. Inside shooting, lead ot offense rebounds and higher shooting %.
cp
June 25th, 2009
4:55 pm
Well no Foster then lol. I thought he was a free agent my bad. It is going to be a crazy night.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
5:00 pm
Melvin, don’t start. I still say that dude (lee) got that playing time because of the early season injury to Pietrus. I never denied that he had an effective rookie season, just the circumstances that allowed him to take full advantage of the opening.
bigdave, what I like about the movement is that some teams are going for it now and not doing the “summer of 2010 free agent thing”. I hated hearing/reading about all of those teams screwing the fans by focusing on the unlikely chance of securing a franchise-changing player. It’s as if the seasons don’t count until LeBron and Wade choose a long-term home. Meanwhile, fans are paying thousands of dollars to look at expiring contracts run up and down the floor. Oops, I can only rant about one thing at a time.
Crawford’s defense sucks. Now, that’s better.
rhett
June 25th, 2009
5:02 pm
Najeh Davenpoop for Hawks scout! He knows how to scout players from their YT videos people! Sign him up. I have no idea what you’re seeing in Jennings’ highlights. He’s not “dominating”, he’s simply playing against what looks like YMCA competition. That’s apparently his best game in Europe and he can’t even finish against crappy defenders and his shot looks awful. I’ll take a polished, efficient guy like Flynn, Lawson, Maynor.
I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY
June 25th, 2009
5:07 pm
Haslem all day long…….. I knew i forgot about sumbody-is Goran Suttan even in the draft….. I like his game and he has good size. Jarret jack/Foster make a deal for these two. Let ZAZA and Bibby Walk-their going to be too expensive.
Did i miss sumthing-Y do people keep mentioning Chills did he say he was coming back or is this strickly speculation.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
5:08 pm
Im starting to like rick sund that was a smart move bibby 15mill acie 2mill speedy the bank robber 6mill for jamal 10 mill thats 13mill in the positive.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
TNScott
June 25th, 2009
5:12 pm
Sekou- If Hansborough is still there for the Hawks they need to take another look. He reminds me of former Tar Heel Bobby Jomes with the energy displays on the court. I’m talking about the Bobby Jones who played with the 76ers during their 1983 championship run.
J-MAN
June 25th, 2009
5:25 pm
Other than Lawson I say draft or trade for a center
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
TNScott,
Please! I like Hansbrough, but Bobby Jones was on the All NBA Defensive team 8 times in his 12 seasons.
If Hansbrough has HALF the career that Bobby Jones did, he’ll exceed expectations.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
5:36 pm
Najeh, I already said Hansborough = Matt Harpring. I cant help it if he’s white. I’m sticking by my comparison. If he just has to be black, I’ll go with Jason Williams. Not white Chocolate, the limo driver killer cover upper.
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
5:52 pm
I’m not sure why so many people are down on the trade. We gave nothing for a man who can straight light it up! I know we still need more pieces to get better but we checked one thing off, having another guy who can come in and score easily and take weight off of JJ. I guarentee that they won’t be doubiling JJ every time now when Jamal is in there. Crawford is an exciting player who can create offense quick. Let’s take Lawson tonight and then we can go some where from there.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
5:53 pm
Michael Jackson dead…?!?
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:00 pm
Rd 1. Eric Maynor
Rd 2. Jeff Pendegraph or Jodie Meeks
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
6:01 pm
Not pronounced dead yet.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:02 pm
Big Dave, Michael Jackson died when he lost the afro, and had his 1st nose job. IMO
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
6:03 pm
Yeah now he has been.
Clyde
June 25th, 2009
6:08 pm
bigdave I like Jeff Foster too. Pachulia is a defensive liability. So is Horford.
lou hudson
June 25th, 2009
6:12 pm
Here’s the deal with Crawford in fold, trade Marvin ($7-9 Mil) S & T with Evans($2.5 mil)or 2nd round pick for Kaman. Now the Hawks have a center (same money as Marvin & Evans), let Bibby and ZaZa go – resign Flip 3yr/9mil and Solo (cheap). Now the money is available to sign Chillz and draft a PG.
Here’s the Hawks lineup:
PG – Crawford, draft PG, a vet retread – pick one
SG – JJ, Flip (score) Chillz (stopper)
SF – JSmoove,Chillz, or JJ
PF – Horford, Vet retread
C – Kaman, Solo, possible 2nd pick
These moves keep the team salary around 68mil with 2 to 3 bench warmers. Most importantly, it makes the Hawks a contender with all the their needs addressed: Scoring, a defensive stopper at 2 & 3 with Chillz, power( rebounding & shot blocking) in the front court with
Kaman, Horford, Jsmoove, and specialists off the bench with Flip, Chillz, and Solo.
GO Hawks!
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:14 pm
TB…
u a fool boy…
but yea… still a shocker…
Reggie.. Fox confirmed.. cardiac arrest.. even if u survive which is a low% chance after 3 mins, your brain dead to a degree… it took him 10 mins just to get to the hospital…
Clyde… yep…
Amare to G- St. for 3 quality players and even pick… (rumored)
jay
June 25th, 2009
6:15 pm
TMZ is reporting that he is dead. (Michael Jackson, that is)
SayWhatYouWant
June 25th, 2009
6:17 pm
But WOODSON does not want Crawford.. because he knows thats the END for Mike Bibby who is the Main reason he is still the coach. An ETO had nothing to do with it. Take away him the Hawks are nada nothing the last 2years. All for a guy that has won nothing been nothing on his 4th team and played only 64 games the last 2 years.??Do you REALLY think Sund or the ASGG gives a hoot what Woodson says or feels??? Listen People. Sund nor Woody are making any moves without the guys writing the checks permission.. You can belive all that stuff said in front of a camera and mic if you want to. But the TRUTH is KATZ hit this on tha NOSE. The picking of a PG tonight will seal the DEAL on Bibby who is looking for 10 to 12 mil vs the 4 or 5 mil being offered or no offer at all. The Hawks are gonna be a MESS next year. Its not about Winning its about COST! The Hawks have lost like 30 mil the last few years. How much you thinking the are losing every HOUR in this Economy?? How can you win with a Broke n Spirit?
Ramon
June 25th, 2009
6:17 pm
Has anyone thought about with losing Speedy, Acie, and Bibby, the Hawks may now have Crawford AND Hedo? You think about Hedo And Crawford together would make the same as Bibby and Speedy. (looking around the room wondering, who wouldn’t like that). And then if you want, you literally can still bring back Marvin, or use his 7-8 million salary, to divide between two good low post reserves. All of this is not including the draft pick.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:19 pm
Biedrins.. Brandon Wright… Marco B. and the 7th.. is what it would take to get Amare from the Suns according to Rick Bucher… they are in talks, have been for 3 days.. hopefully it doesnt get done.. but thats a whole lot of compensation.. id pull the trigger if i was PHX…
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:21 pm
Ramon… with VC in the fold.. Turk is now an option for us…
doc
June 25th, 2009
6:23 pm
terrell i’ll take a carbon copy of matt harpring at a 19 slot all day long. the guy has lasted, played well in big games and is coachable and tough as nails. the only criticism you have heard from him was when they wouldnt let him play more after coming back from near career ending foot surgery. guy has guts so if we could get that kind of steely eyed mother to play 4 and occasionally 5 in reserve, then cool.
i like foster but ahed of horford and zaza, puhleese. that is certifiable crazy ideas.
oh my, kirk, ditto dude.
durn, i dittoed rod and kirk in the same day.
Ramon
June 25th, 2009
6:23 pm
Bigdave, with a line up of JJ and Hedo, even with Crawford coming off the bench, I don’t think we’d see too many more 70 point games.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:24 pm
but it will take a nice amount of “Jack” (Jim Rome’s voice) to get him here.. he has a player option meaning he’ll be looking for the best financial situation…
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:26 pm
i wouldnt mind a Jeff Foster on the bench… at around 2mill…
but like i said… not at the expense of ZA ZA PACHUUUUUUUUUUUULLLIAAAA
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:27 pm
Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson to the Magic for Alston and Battie.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:30 pm
I thought Alston wanted to be a starter???
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:31 pm
Agreed, Big Dave. Foster would be a nice piece off the bench.
CTrim
June 25th, 2009
6:32 pm
Can we trade rights for Chills for New Orleans for #21? I can’t see ownership purchasing the pick for cash.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:33 pm
Now we can let Marvin walk and pick up Hedo.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:34 pm
The Lakers sold #29 to the Knicks for 3 mill.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
6:34 pm
The dealing going on right now is unprecedented. It’s craziness. I love it.
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
6:35 pm
Clyde,
Apparently your Horford hate knows no bounds. Listen man, I like Jeff Foster too, and I’d be fine with him coming off the bench instead of Zaza, but the man has a career blocked shot average of .04 / gm. !!!!
You heard me right, .04 Horford blocked 1.42 / gm. this year.
Aren’t you the one who clamored for a shotblocker in the paint? And now, since you hate Horford SO much, a paltry .04/gm is an improvement?
Please just be consistent. And real.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
6:35 pm
Courtney Lee is also headed to New Jersey.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:36 pm
yea.. this has to be one of the busiest draft weeks in a long time…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
6:37 pm
Two pop icons from the past two decades die in the same day. First Farrah Fawcett and now, The King of Pop, Michael Jackson haqs been confirmed dead after suffering cardiac arrest earlier today. Sad, sad day.
Large in the Pants
June 25th, 2009
6:38 pm
I’ll bet anyone here that Rick Sund makes the #19 draft pick while getting a blow job.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:39 pm
wasnt me that time Sautee… im no Horford fan but Foster….?
clearly…
Foster on his best day ever< Horford on his absolute worst
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
6:42 pm
We’ll never win the southeast division now no matter what we do lol. But we’ll beat the mzgic like they stole somethin’ for sure!!!!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
6:45 pm
in the latest mock on four letters, they are now saying Casspi is a real possibility for the hawks although they have lawson as the pick …
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
6:46 pm
Thank you big dave for that admission.
I’m sure you realize that Horford never “asked” to play center. He was given that job and he’s just doing his job as best he can. And it’s certainly much better than anything else we have RIGHT NOW.
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
6:51 pm
Now that the Magic have Vince, they have options (in case Hedu leaves).
If you’re Cleveland, how do you stop Orlando? Delonte West is too short to guard Vince.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
O’brien Lebron’s only chance is if he comes to the Hawks…
gunning the runners
June 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
bigdave nailed it, especially if Prince Bron-Bron demands that Woody be fired.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
7:11 pm
3/4 hoopsworld expers has us taking Teauge , as well as Sekou in their final mock drafts. We cna’t sekip our on another Deamon Deacon lol.
DANNY GREEN AT 49!!!!!
cp
June 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
I really wish NBA TV or TNT hosted the draft. Stuart Scott almost makes watching anything on ESPN unbearable. He is loud and corny as hell.
Stephen A. Smith
June 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
Definitely, I can’t even watch ESPN anymore. It’s annoying!!
cp
June 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
Ariose I think Green goes before 49. We might have to move up in the second to get him. If we can secure another second rounder, get Green and Meeks. Teague, Green, and Meeks is a good night to me.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
7:18 pm
cp, why would you add Teague, Breen and Meeks to Crawford, Joe, Evans and maybe Bibby?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
7:18 pm
Green
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
7:19 pm
Anakin,
Look like the Crawford trade is final. Are you ok? Are you still with us? Should we call 911 for you?
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
7:20 pm
I am excited about the trade, I think it will be a good fit, hes a scorer and we need a scorer. I actually like him coming off the bench, after seeing what flip brought off the bench, he could bring the same kind of energy but be an even better scorer.
I think we should look at Camby. Hes a great defender who has a decent offensive game(hes got a jump shot too). Also, I think we can get him for a lot less because the Clips are going to be desperate to get rid of one or two of their bigs.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:21 pm
rubio is sick. watched his highlights on youtube!!
word has it that brandon jennings is fallin’, fast!! i hope that he is gone before 19. dont’ want him
the east is on fire. orlando and clev have added major pieces. we play ‘lando 4 tinmes this year. do we split with them? we play clev twice.
GO HAWKS!!
butt hurt
June 25th, 2009
7:22 pm
Can we use Marvin to get acquire Camby? Let’s get bigger and meaner for once!
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:25 pm
THE HAWKS WILL PICK TYLER HANSBOROUGH, IF HE IS AVAILABLE!!
GO HAWKS!!
SECTION 111 r U
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:28 pm
we need one more major piece to really go at it in the east. we play boston and clev 2 times. that is 4 potential losses. we play ‘lando 4 times. that 8 losses.
we need one more piece
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:29 pm
the crawford trade is helluva!! we get an immediate scorer for two bench riders? that’s a no brainer!!
Go Hawks!!
Section 111 r U
Run and Gunner
June 25th, 2009
7:35 pm
Prediction: we WILL NOT beat the Orlando Magic next season!!!
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:35 pm
i really like the Crawford addition……with him and JJ in the lineup….that will free up alot of shots for both! as others have said earlier…..that’s what Woodson likes to do. as much as we should be utlilizing the low post scoring opportunities much more….i guess this is what we have to expect! that is a very dangerous backcourt for any opponents defending backcourt! if this trade does stick…..i’m not doubting that we will be a team that joins the ranks of teams that believe in OUTSCORING THE OPPOSITION ! gluck to SUND in drafting the best available player !!!!!!!!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
7:36 pm
All I know is we need someone who can play defense. Right now, our only perimeter player under contract who has shown himself capable of playing good defense is JJ. Re-signing Marvin is now a must. And we can’t afford to add any more players who are incapable of playing defense, especially if we re-sign Bibby.
So whoever we pick at 19 better know how to defend.
JayOne
June 25th, 2009
7:37 pm
Apparently the Celtics are slightly low on Rondo at the moment for whatever reason, but are obviously still totally geared on a “win now” policy.
What do you think are the chances that the either party (Hawks/Celtics) would be interested in this trade – Rondo and Ray Allen for Joe Johnson and Maurice Evans? I really believe that the Hawks should go for it!
The Hawks may be a playoff team, but they are not good enough to challenge as for the title as is, and JJ will never the man to lead them to the promised land. Rondo is a young but legit elite point guard who will spread shots around now that Crawford is in the fold, push the pace, improve the team rebounding and defend the wings. Meanwhile Allen is another legit scoring threat in the short term, or could be used as a trade chip to go to another contender if that’s what he preferred, leaving cap space for the Hawks to acquire another legitimate all star if not this year, then next.
Positive for the Celtics is that although JJ is not a true point guard, he is a good ball handler, an All Star in the present but also young enough to provide a long term replacement for Ray Allen. Evans would be used to balance the books and provide additional scoring depth to the Celtics, that they lost with Posey.
As such, I think that this trade would be a win-win for both – what do you guys think??
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
7:37 pm
I don’t ever know if we have to give up Marvin to get Camby, They have three of their four top salaries are big men, and there getting Blake. They will have to make a deal and Kaman and Randolph are going to be a lot harder to deal.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:37 pm
and when i say, ” if the trade does stick”…..i mean if Crawford isn’t another part of a trade that Sund has been working with another team !
Acie Law, IV
June 25th, 2009
7:38 pm
Whoever we pick at 19 better know how to ride the bench.
Thanks, Mike Woodson.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
7:40 pm
Ant Banks likes the trade, I’m stunned. Ha. There is certainly more work to be done. The Hawks will have to hit the free agent swimming pool to make it happen. The issue is that there aren’t enough of them to go around.
JayOne
June 25th, 2009
7:40 pm
The lineup if JJ And Mo Evans were traded for Rondo & Allen would be;
1 – Rondo
2 – Allen
3 – Crawford
4 – Smith
5 – Horford
6 – Williams
7 – Murray
8 – Pachulia
9 – Rookie pick
Obviously there would be a need to improve on the size of the team in the frontcourt (in contention for Amare/Bosh etc when Allen comes off the books?), but I think that this trade would push the team to a lot closer to being capable of challenging for a title than as presently configured.
Any thoughts Sekou?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
7:42 pm
Melvin, I’m good. But I’ll be worse if Sund drafts an “indifferent defender” at #19.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:44 pm
what’s the possibility of Amare still being a Hawk? maybe a Marvin+19 pick and future pick for the center/BIG PF?
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:45 pm
i’m just glad this year that our GM hasn’t PROMISED anyone they’re being drafted with the 19th pick, LOL!
Acie Law, IV
June 25th, 2009
7:45 pm
Suckers.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
7:45 pm
The Hawks need to get Blake Griffin’s daddy to play the 5. Dude looks like Debo!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
7:45 pm
And PS – I’m a little amused by all the people who seem convinced that the Magic will now go 82-0 and that the Hawks are helpless against the Big Three in the East (who we mostly played close this year until the second round of the playoffs). Remember remember the ‘04 Lakers. A lineup full of All-Stars does not necessarily translate to a step forward. The Magic will be good. But if ego management and ball movement become problems, this could become a step backward rather than a step forward for them.
And, of course, if Vince is a prelude to letting go of Hedo, then this might not be a step forward at all. Vince might be a better individual player than Hedo, but Hedo was a perfect fit for Van Gundy’s scheme on both ends of the floor. Vince? That remains to be seen. Even if he stays healthy (a big if) and if he plays hard (which he hasn’t done in about twenty years), he might not be an improvement over Hedo in the context of Orlando.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:45 pm
JAYONE,
i don’t like that trade at all. ray allen has no more treads left. he has one maybe two more years left. jj is hella younger and can be jus as deadly
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:46 pm
a question to the forum……what has CONLEY proven since he’s been in the league?
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
7:48 pm
Nire,
Remember Karl Malone got injury that season. He wasn’t the same player after his injury…
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
7:48 pm
NIRE,
how many games do you see us winnin’ next year? keepin’ in mind what orlando has done, and miami, washington, charlotte, will be better.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:48 pm
at least a 7′3……MR. feel “THABEET”……is wearing a player outfit ! LOL…nice digs, my man !
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
7:50 pm
And with the #2 overall pick, the Memphis Grizzlies select…
Shawn Bradl…what? Oh, whoops. Hasheem Thabeet.
We’ll see whether dude turns out to be Bradley or Deke. I’ve got my money on Bradley. I’ve had 5′2 girlfriends with broader shoulders than him.
booty sauce
June 25th, 2009
7:51 pm
And the Hawks should make a move for Blake Griffin’s mom.
There’s alot of talent in this draft…IF you know what I mean!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:51 pm
nire – but thabeet is an athlete and bradley wasn’t
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
7:53 pm
Ant Banks,
I can’t answer that question in June, dude, while we only have 6 guys under contract. Ask me in August. But I don’t see Miami and Washington as being a scintilla better than they were a year ago. Charlotte? They’ve got some big decisions to make this summer, so I’m not sold that they’ll be improving.
The East is still the East.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
7:53 pm
James Harden just topped Joakim Noah for the worst draft night outfit!
JayOne
June 25th, 2009
7:53 pm
Ant Banks,
I know that Allen is on his last legs, but he is coming into the last year of a big contract so could be either used as bait in a trade for another legit player, or be asked to give it his best for one year and come off the books next year when we could have significant cap space.
(my trade would be assuming that Flip/Crawford/Rookie would be used to spell Rondo for PG duties and Bibby could walk this summer)
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
7:54 pm
Maaan, Ellington is better than James Harden….
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:54 pm
com’n sekou – don’t hate the bowtie!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
7:55 pm
Chuck,
Yeah, but Bradley had a basketball IQ and actually gave a $hit. Thabeet doesn’t. There’s no perfect comparison for him.
He needs to bulk up to be an impact player. If he does that, he will lose some of his athleticism. But the biggest red flag for me is that he just doesn’t seem to care about the game. That’s usually an ominous sign for a young player’s upside.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
7:55 pm
He reminds me of Paul Perice
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
7:55 pm
Minnesota is gonna be sick….IF Rubio slips ! KUDOS to the NEW GM ! possibly………….
JayOne
June 25th, 2009
7:56 pm
Plus, I think that Rondo would be a much greater upgrade at the point over Bibby, than there would be a downgrade from JJ to Allen – both short term and long term. Factor in the fact that a legit scorer has already been brought in in Crawford, and the money that would be saved by taking Bibby and JJ off of the books, and I think that the Hawks would be much better off following the trade.
See my point?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:57 pm
GREAT pick by memphis
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
7:58 pm
the t’wolves just pee’d themselves … they get rubio
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
7:59 pm
Sekou,
You must have forgot about Karl Malone draft night mix match triple color suit w/ the clip on tie.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:00 pm
I hope Brandon Jennings drop to us at #19…
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:00 pm
Great pick by the Kings. Evans is going to special. My mock draft is shot from here.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:01 pm
strike my last comment about the GREAT pick – i meant KINGS … too much pizza
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:02 pm
wolves execs on the phone……maybe with SUND?
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:02 pm
Weren’t the T-Wolves trying to package two of their first rounders to move up to 2 to take Rubio? Now he falls in their lap without costing them a thing. This could really be the draft where they start to tur…oh wait. It’s the T-Wolves, the Clippers of the midwest.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:03 pm
JAYONE,
i would rather go get bosh for a one year rental than ray allen
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
8:03 pm
Melvin,
If you’re going for a murder-suicide involving Jennings and Woody before the end of training camp, then that’s great. In any case, Jennings does not know what defense means, so I’d avoid him like the plague now that we have Crawford – trade down if he’s still there and someone wants him.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:03 pm
Yeah I think Evans going to be good two…
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
i remember when the hawks had 4 picks in the 1st round. only one was anything!!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:05 pm
Nire,
By the time Jennings is ready to contribute major mins, Woody and Crawford may be gone…
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:05 pm
Solid pick for Minnesota. They needed a PG. Rubio’s a solid pick at 5. Lang Whitaker can cry in his Cheerios now.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:06 pm
Sekou…
yea Debo with no eyebrows…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:07 pm
Next pick should be interesting. No clear cut SG should go #6 and do they want Jordan Hill with Jefferson and Love? May be worth trading this pick to a team who wants Curry or Flynn.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:07 pm
Ricky Rubio = Jayson Williams 2.0
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:08 pm
if rubio was playin’ pro ball as a 14 yr old, that lets you know the talent level of bball players in spain
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:08 pm
Mark Jackson might be coaching these Wolves next season.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:09 pm
please dont take brandon jennings at 19
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:09 pm
Interesting to see who Minny pick at 6.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:10 pm
Johnny Flynn? I smell trade…..
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:10 pm
The T’Wolves have to be moving Flynn. I can’t see he and Rubio playing together.
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:11 pm
The Flynn pick has to be made for someone else right? Oh wait again, its the T-Wolves. Drafting point guards with back-to-back picks might actually make sense to them.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:12 pm
dont get it…? 2 pg’s… WTF?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
maybe it was sund they were on the phone with … flynn to atlanta for marvin?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:15 pm
Flynn and Cardinal for a $8M-$10M player after July 1? Or Flynn and Brewer for a BYC player after July 1?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:15 pm
keep dreaming chuck! ha. no way.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:15 pm
Rubio to Atl for Crawddy…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:15 pm
BOOOOOOOOOO!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:16 pm
wow … curry can’t be happy
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:16 pm
Almost Knicks fans. Almost.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:16 pm
Heartbreak for the Knicks
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:17 pm
i can dream, can’t i sekou?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:17 pm
Oops, Monta Ellis and little Curry in the same backcourt? I smell another trade.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:18 pm
Does this mean Jennings goes to NYC? Or do they go big with Jordan Hill?
swing your balls in from behind
June 25th, 2009
8:19 pm
Ricky Rubio will get raped in the NBA.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:19 pm
The Minny pick my have push Jennings back into the lottery…
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:20 pm
Mrs. Curry is outlandish. Finest NBA mom ever?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:22 pm
Jordan Hill to the Knicks. Atlanta’s own.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:22 pm
sweeter jump shot: Dell Curry or Dale Ellis?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:23 pm
smart pick since nyk has been dangling lee
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
do you all want brandon jennings? why? woody don’t like youngstas runnin’ tha “pernt” (point)
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
Chad Ford had the first 8 players right. Not all in the right order but at least the right 8. Given the parity in this draft, that’s impressive.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:25 pm
Chuck,
Curry. Ellis had that funky kick and shot it from his face…
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:25 pm
Poor Knicks fans. At least the Hawks obsession is with drafting athletic swingmen. Better than the Knicks habit of drafting raw bigs.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
understatement Sekou, Mrs. Curry is one of the finest women ever…
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
Sekou, Hell Yes!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:27 pm
Wilson Chandler and Hill to Wolves for Flynn?
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
Just saw Josh Shipp from UCLA getting his shot block in Demar highlights. What the heck happen to Shipp? He was a 1st rnd talent a few years ago…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:30 pm
Either Lawson, Maynor or Jennings should be available to the Hawks.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:30 pm
SEKOU,
based on whose left, who do you see the hawks takin’ now?
JSS
June 25th, 2009
8:30 pm
This is delicious, the Draft has officially descended into chaos!!! When does the 2nd run of points start? Sekou, who in the heck is going to run the floor show for the NYK?
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:31 pm
ANAKIN,
is jennings all that? i me3an an 18 yr old playin’ for woody?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:32 pm
going back to flynn for a minute, you gotta love his passion. he got me geeked watching that interview.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
ant, don’t worry.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
YES!!
brandon is goin’ to milwaukee, so the hawks can’t get him!! YES!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
okay, jennings to the bucks shocked me. him with skiles?
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
Oh well, the Basketball Gods didn’t send us that gift after all…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
Yeah, we shouldn’t draft an indifferent defender. After all, it’s better to pay one $15 million.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
Chad Ford is 10 for 10.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
“BRANDON JENNINGS IS A PROJECT”- FRANSCHILLA
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
Ant,
We will remember your dislikes for him when he become the face of the Bucks franchise…
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
We have moved up 3 spots already…it’s get very interesting at 19th!!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:35 pm
Ray, bored on draft night, dude?
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
8:35 pm
Well there goes that pipe dream with us attaining Brandon Jennings? Well here is to Jeff Teague, Ty Lawson, or Eric Maynor.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
8:37 pm
All you Carolina haters get ready to start booing!!!
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:37 pm
Who does Chad Ford have us taking seeing he his 10 for 10?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:37 pm
The big kid NY drafted may as well drop that NY hat. He ain’t staying…
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
So far so good…we’re in good shape – as long as we don’t take Tyler. Here’s to hoping somebody pick him before the Hawks pick.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Would like to see Lawson in a Hawks uniform.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Joe,
Not with you around.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Good pick for the Nets..
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:39 pm
Sekou,
If Earl Clark happens to fall to the Hawks, don’t they have to scrap their plans and go best talent available there?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:39 pm
Chad Ford is also 10 for 10 in NBA executive’s bedrooms…
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:42 pm
tyler hansborough to the hawks at 19. they have to placate their white fan base. no playin’ the race card, but you have to think about that. NY Mets looked at their hispanic fan base
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
DBLAIR….or THANS….is shapin’ up to be the pick fellla’s….GET READY !
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
We need for Bird to go with Hansbrough and then we should be clear to have either Maynor or Lawson fall to us (Philly will likely take one of them at 17). Unless T’Wolves decide they need 3 rookie PGs.
reedeak
June 25th, 2009
8:44 pm
PLEASE, trade the 19th pick and JSmoove for Bosh!!!
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:46 pm
Ant Banks… i told my friend that earlier.. they Hansborough would attract a large UNC/ACC crowd down to Phillips to see him play pro…
I DONT WANT HIM… NOT ANOTHER GAME PREDICATED ON STRENGTH WITH NO SKILL see Al Horford…
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:47 pm
livin’ in INDY..these guys want TEAGUE ! we’ll see what happens……………
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
Henderson staying in state ain’t a shocker. Good player at Duke.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
” *the Hansborough pick would…”
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
That ought to be a popular move in Charlotte.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:49 pm
Ok, where is Flynn really going, or is there some back door deal for Rubio?
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
All I ever think about when I see Gerald Henderson is that blatant, viscous elbow he gave Hansbrough a couple years ago. Dirty player. Crappy pick by the Cats.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
i think that hansborough will be decent. dude is more athletic than sheldon, more aggressive. i think that we are sleepin’ on him.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
they should take SAM !
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
oh well, there goes tyler
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
Whew…. Thank you Larry Bird…
glw
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
With MIlwakuee drafting Jennings, do they still resign Sessions?
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
There you go … he is off the board. Now its time for the PG here in the ATL.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
Ray, Flynn will land in NYC.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
WOW…..HANS………………
reedeak
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
Thank goodness Tyler Hansbrough is gone!!!
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TYLER IS OFF THE BOARD!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
good pick for the Pacers…
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:50 pm
anakin joe – you just got your wish
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Guys the worry is over!!! T. Hans. Is off of the board.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Ant,
There goes Hansbrough. No more race talk for us, which is all the Hansbrough talk has really been about around here, despite some good efforts by some of us.
Told Sautee on the phone that Indy would take Ty. One for me, 11 or 12 for Ford, and I didn’t even have to sleep with any NBA execs…
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Well it took some time, but the Pacers finally have Jeff Foster’s eventual replacement. And now he’s getting the “overrated” chant from the NY fans. Poor Hansbrough.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Is the crowd chanting “overrated”?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Hansbrough is off the board. Sorry Hawks fans, maybe you’ll get the other Ty. Ha.
RJ
June 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Thank u Tyler is gone. there is a god
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:52 pm
INDY’S PICK…..shakes the draft !
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
I wasn’t worried, as I was fine with Psycho T, particularly if better picks were off the board.
For those who didn’t want him, you can celebrate now.
But riddle me this: did anybody see Psycho T coming off the board before Mullens or Blair?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
Somebody good is dropping into the Hawks’ lap at 19. You can’t go wrong in this draft right now.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
HA!! lol at the tyler comments
rms
June 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
Yes, that means the Hawks wont draft another forward. Now somebody just need to draft Mullins so Sund dumb behind wont draft him
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:54 pm
Pacers will own every rebound if they keep Troy Murphy, Hibbert, Foster and Hansbrough. It must be nice to have that type of big man depth.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Well it is going to be Lawson…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Well, if the Phoenix and Golden State rumor is true….
Josh haters can start crying right about…..NOW….
OH wait, I forgot, Bosh still might be available..
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Love the fact that Pyscho T is not going to be a HAWK! Whew … for some reason I had a feeling we were going to take a chance on him. We don’t need to take ANY MORE chances on players.
Bring in the future PG for years to come as we have passed on way to many in the past.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
PACERS “LUV” white ballers……Dunleavly, Murphy, Smitts, Chroshere, Foster, Deiner, HANS, Smitts………………….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
Good for Brandon. Nice move.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
Ant Banks,
Uh…speaking for myself and most other members of the Hawks’ “white fan base,” let me call BS on the idea that the Hawks need to have white players for us to cheer for them. What a load of crap.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:57 pm
Clark nice fit in PHX ….
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
8:57 pm
He will fit in nicely in Indiana .. no doubt about that.
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
8:57 pm
What if BJ Mullens, Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague are there for the Hawks? Then what?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
three of the next four teams won’t be taking PG’s.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
Earl Clark… woulda been niiiiiiiiiiiiiice….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
Funny how a 4-year player who won POY is taking a “chance” but drafting the 6th best PG in a draft is the right move. Alrighty then.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
I’m happy for us and I’m happy for Acie…ain’t life funny…now Acie will be playing with Amare.
We are looking better and better each Pick…Looks like we got Lawson if they want him.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
8:59 pm
Holiday anyone????????
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
8:59 pm
this fool said, ” i still went top ten”… haha… let you know what he was about…$$$$$
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
9:00 pm
Simple…we take the best PG available, right?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:00 pm
Joe,
That actually bothers me, as Indy was able to hand it to us on the boards WITHOUT Psycho T…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:00 pm
Big Dave, I had my finger cross for Clark as well….
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:00 pm
I hope only one of those guys are there O’brien
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:00 pm
If Jrue Holiday’s still there, we should take him. He’s a younger, defensively-improved (and with better court vision) version of Flip. But my guess is that he doesn’t get past the Sixers and Wolves…
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
AJ… b/c he was a good college player.. no pro game…
Tebow= Psycho T
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
O’brien,
That’s a nice problem to have, don’t you think?
reedeak
June 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
PLEASE GO FOR BOSH
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
I’m white and a native Atlantan and couldn’t care less what color the guy is we draft. I just know watching this night over the years has been frustrating and with the new GM I am hopefull we won’t fall into the past stupid picks.
I don’t forsee that tonight. Either or we will get our PG – Lawson, Maynor, or Teague.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
Looks like Teague or Maynor now.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Big Dave,
Remember alot folks said that he made a bad decision going across seas. I think he was responding to the critics…
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Wow…and Dumars keeps getting worse and worse…
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Apparently they didn’t make that promise to BJ Mullins!
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
The Hawks will have their pick of players at 19. This is setting up perfectly for the Hawks.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Melvin coulda run that high low SG/C/PF thing with Joe… like i was saying the Lake Show does with Pau and Kobe…
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:03 pm
What if Blair is still there?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:03 pm
James Johnson to Da Bulls?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:03 pm
Sekou,
In many ways you are right. However, never underestimate the consistency of idiots. Not that we have any of those working for us. I hope.
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
9:04 pm
So Lawson, Maynor, Holliday, Teague, Blair, and Mullins are still available. At least two of those will still be available for the Hawks.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:04 pm
Well we know Minnesota will not be taking another PG. So it’s about Chicago and Philly.
Philly will probably take the one we covet but we can still land a solid PG that is on our list.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:05 pm
jhan, I’m all over Blair. I was a month ago and I’m not changing. And now more than ever… someone needs to get the 60% of the shots that Craford misses.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:05 pm
i’m following kevin love’s twitter page – he’s a funny cat. just tweeted, “brandon jennings is gonna be late to his own funeral?
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:05 pm
Melvin… yea i was wondering how that benefited him b/c he was rated higher out of school, yet he goes over seas where scouts cant even watch his games… but i guess he was worth it.. a project though at pg… looks like Lou Williams to me without the jumper…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:06 pm
I think Dick Vitale just jinx Curry…lol
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:06 pm
Chicago probably takes a PG, since they are looking to move Hinrich, and Philly probably takes a PG too (Andre Miller free agent).
glw
June 25th, 2009
9:06 pm
Please no Blair, he is the 2nd coming of Shelden Williams.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:07 pm
LOL @ Chuckw….
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:07 pm
yea Sekou… but we’ve been in that position before… please Sund/Woody earn your check or let us do it…
why dont they put up a poll and let the fans draft whomever is left on their board…highest % wins..
that would revolutionize the draft…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
….and the 56.3 % that Joe misses, and Flip’s misses, and all of those 3s that Josh takes….
Stating the Obvious
June 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
Anyone who suggests drafting a 6′5 power forward with two bad knees should have his brain examined.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
OB, I don;t know that you pit a rookie PG behind a one and done PG.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
with all the trades before the draft we haven’t seen one during the just yet … that’s unusual
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
AJ called it…
matt6buckeye
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
And now at least three of those guys will be available.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
Is Blair more Sheldon or Big Baby?
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
Ok. Well, thats why I dont do Mock drafts. I would be way off…
But it is looking great for the Hawks.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
Jrue Holiday is could be there for the taking!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
James Johnson even looks like Rodney Rogers…. Talk about deja vu
I.MUS WRITE
June 25th, 2009
9:09 pm
Tyler seems like a humble dude hope he has a good career just not ATL. Phillies select Ty lawson Pg from Horth Carolina ……….We better not take Mullins….. James johnson= Karate Kid-
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
Enter your comments here
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
GSW are gonna fun to watch this season!!!
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
NIREMENTAL,
don’t go there. i have heard jus’ as many whites say that they DON’T follow the hawks becuase there are no whites. NY Mets was thinkin’ about their hispanic fan base so their team is loaded with hispanic. don’t say it is a load of crap.
one of the bloggers jus’ pointed out that indy loves white ballers.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
i think we found the slider … jrue holiday.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
Damn. I didn’t know Chicago was going in that direction. I thought they might go for Blair or Mullens. Hmmmm. What did Chad Ford have? Chad? Chad! Put that thong down and step away from Rod Thorn. What’s wrong with you?
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:10 pm
Now it’s a certainly – at least two of the following 4 will be available at 19:
Holiday
Lawson
Maynor
Teague
Also possibly on the board will be Mullens. Quick, someone distract Sund before he notices a 7-foot project is available!
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
Amare is definitely packing his bags… earl Clark would be a nice piece next to Al Horford… PHX holla at us… lets do business again…
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
wins = green$$ regardless of the colors of the players.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
I just can’t see how we can pass on the deepest PG draft in a while. We failed with the other year with CP3 and D. Williams. We surely won’t make the same mistake again.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
I’d pass on Blair for one of these young guards.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
jhan, I don’t think he is as skilled as Big Baby on offense but I think that he is light years more aggressive/competitive than Shelden.
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
Gotta agree with SS (what’s up fellas??!!). A solid “sliding” pick is coming our way. I still like Mullens here, because 7-footers with real upside are about as rare as they come. If the plan is to let Bibby go, with the plan for Flip unclear, then they really have to look at a PG. All depends on their expectation/plan for both Bibby and Flip. Don’t see them re-signing Bibby (thank goodness) if they’re going to now pay Crawford $10M/year. Just upgraded PG for $5M less than last year. How is that a bad thing?
Bigger question is if they think Flip is moving on, then grabbing depth at the guard position is necessary.
Let’s see….
JSS
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
Blair won’t fall any further… Mullens on the other hand, he might fll to the elites at the end of the round… That goes for Teague too…
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
Here goes Ty Lawson ….. makes sense for them.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
NIREMENTAL,
PLEASE READ INFAMOUS POST:infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
PACERS “LUV” white ballers……Dunleavly, Murphy, Smitts, Chroshere, Foster, Deiner, HANS, Smitts………………….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:12 pm
Maynor, Lawson or Blair would all be good with me. They could all play immediately.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
OK….
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
NO Holiday pleeeeeeeease for the love of God…!!!
Well… Thanks Philly…!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
PERFECT!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
there goes holiday
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
Jrue is gone
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
Panic on Jrue is over as well. Thank Goodness!!!!!!!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
Dang,Dang,Dang. “F” those 76ers
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
I’m Scared….I really don’t want Ty….Teauge has a begger ceiling……come on……whatever……
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
There goes Jrue. Can’t believe it, but I actually called that one. Other than Blake Griffin, those are the only two I got right (Hansbrough and Holiday).
Heh…I’m no good at this…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
Wolves should go with Mullen. And Sund has his choice.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
and he SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Jay Bilas…
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
Wolves up next and we know they ain’t drafting another PG.
OK HAWKS you have everyone we have listed. Choose your man!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
9:15 pm
Minny will take Mullens….
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:15 pm
LOL @ BIGRAY
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:15 pm
t’wolves take young
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:16 pm
Will Minny take Blair or Mullen
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:16 pm
Ty Lawson. Championship pegidgree. Big-time program/conference/coach. Woody knows what he gets from guys with NCAA titles. I think we’re locked on Lawson.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:16 pm
Wolves should go Sam Young…
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:16 pm
MINNESOTA
will be pickin’ in the top 10 again next year. there team is toooo young to compete.
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:16 pm
We know Wolves not taking PG, so Hawks have their choice. Who do we take?
Lawson excels at the running game, but thats not Woody’s style. What about Maynor or Teague?
tiggio
June 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
new things on this site http://www.tiggio.com
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
Minny has to be going for Mullens. They just about have to be. I’m probably wrong, though, knowing my draft guessing skills…
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
I hope Mullens goes next. I prefer the new PG route.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
Will Minny take Ellington????
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
Blair is still on the board too.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
Melvin, they should take Mullen so they could move Jefferson to 4. Jefferson and Blair don’t seem like they would play well off each other, at least not like Mullen. Sekou said that Mullen had some range on his jumper. Wolves should go with Mullen.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
“And with the 19th pick, the Atlanta Hawks select…Ty Lawson.” – David Sterns
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
hmmm a possible sheldon look alike or a guy that is more underdeveloped than solo was. it could be the perfect strom where sund goes for his first success wanting to draft a big. just say no. if he gets either of those guys those that were downing tyler will not have the last laugh.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WTF?????????
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WHAT!?
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WHAT???
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WTF?
reedeak
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
Is this a joke?????????
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
i see why they dont have a coach…
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
wtf!!! minny took 3 guards? they most be gettin’ ready to trade
glw
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
WTF IS MINNESOTA DOING?
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. good for him…NO f’n WOODSON!!!!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
My Gosh…. 3 PG’s in the 1st rnd….
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
And let’s look at next years’ projected roster, pre-pick: Crawford, JJ, Marvin (?), Josh and Horford.
Sounds really nice, until you accept the truth that there’s no way a Hawks’ team, with Horford playing center, has any chance to move past either the Howard-led Magic, or the Shaq-infused Cavs.
So if you didn’t agree with “the Hawks shouldn’t have Horford as their center” argument, BEFORE, I don’t know how you can think the Hawks can move past the Cavs or Magic, next year, without acquiring a legitimate center, allowing Horford to move to the 4.
Better be a plan for the front line, or the ASG’s plan is simply making the playoffs and spinning that the home team is better than it used to be.
If that sells enough tickets to be profitable, then I can’t argue with the business side of it.
But there’s no realistic hope for coming out of the East, in the next couple of years, unless a legitimate center is added to the Hawks’ roster.
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
minnesota has to be readying for a trade, ya think?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
The T’wolves have gone mad!!!!!!!!! Three point guards. Craziness.
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
HOLY CRAP! TY LAWSON! WOW I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!!! CRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
KEVIN LOVE: “what are we doing????????????????? omg we better trade….what are we doing??????????? i dont even know?
BRAVES FAN SINCE BIRTH!!
June 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
wat the hell minnesota thinkin?
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
There has to be some sign and trade things coming… otherwise this makes no sense.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
UM…OK?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
WTF is going on up there in Minnesota??!!!
They must be engineering a metric buttload of trade ideas…
Well, Mullens is there, and if Sund doesn’t pick him, then we have no idea who Sund is, and we might have to call the MIB…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
Somebody did want the Hawks to get Ty Lawson…
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
Take the big kid from Ohio State. Take a shot. How much do the Hawks really have to lose on this 7-footers’ upside?
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
Damn Nuggets.. why are they moving picks.. they have 4…
reedeak
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
Please maynor
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
well yea…. tell us something we don’t already know.
Denver with Lawson. Hmmm…
glw
June 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
I nauseous, I feel its gonna be Mullen
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
Just Say no Rick!!!! Don’t Take Mullens!!!!
Sam
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
Mullen = Robert Swift 2.0
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
they have drafted B. Roy… OJ Mayo… none of them in Minny… they dont know what their doing…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
Welcome to Atlanta, BJ…hee hee hee
macaroni tony
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
ty is going to the nuggets for a future pick
JayOne
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
lmao @ all the predictions and reactions to the T’Wolve picks!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
If you want to swing for the fences, take Mullen.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
How about Maynor?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
here we go
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
Anakin,
Minny takes 3 PG’s this draft and will draft John Wall in 2010 draft…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
Teague it is….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
F ME!
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
Teague is fine
RJ
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
Jeff teague is the pick
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
I’m shocked…I really thought it was going to be Mullens!
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
OK GUYS THE PANIC IS OVER ABOUT BJ MULLENS. WHEW!!!!!!
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
YES
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
NICE pick… im OK with this.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
Minny is trying to corner the market on PG’s…
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
Yeah….Sund got it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
macaroni tony
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
good for Teague
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
the hawks just selected acie law, again.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
Hawks go PG over big. Mullens has to go next.
kwooden1
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
Teague is the guy! GO HAWKS!!!
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
just callin’ it as i see it, FAM!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
Ant Banks,
This is the last time I’ll dignify you with a response on this. What the hell does one random poster pointing out the fact that Indianapolis has had 7 white players in the past 10 years prove? How the hell does it mean anything if one team has 13 blacks and 2 whites and another has 10 blacks and 5 whites? Just because you’re obsessed with race doesn’t mean everyone else is.
And whaddya know. We just picked a BLACK GUY!!!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!!!! I CAN’T CHEER FOR THE HAWKS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grow up.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
Somebody call the MIB (Men In Black), because Sund just did what nobody thought he’d really do.
And call Atlanta Metro, we’re going to have a standoff at Astro Joe’s house. No hostages, just him.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
yea Minny on some mobster shyt…
RJ
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
Thank god. Mullens is horrible.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
YAY!!!!! WE GOT JEFF!!!! YESSSSSS!!!!! I WIN!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
greAT piCK !
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
Alot of boards had us taking Teague, and even the AJC thought the same. I am very happy with the pick. Nice job Hawks.
fudd21
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
I don’t like the Teague pick. But I guess he fits in with Woody likes in that he is another scoring point.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
Get Siler and it’s a wrap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JSS
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
VCU… VCU… VCU!!!
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
LOL @ chuckw
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:26 pm
Seriously, fie Woody tonight. Why would you expect Woody to succeed with Crawford and Teague? While running iso-Joe? It’s assinine. Fire Woody tonight and announce that Mark Jackson is the new coach. And we’re going to out-score teams.
Driver8
June 25th, 2009
9:26 pm
A long 5 year sigh of relief has just been let go. FINALLY a PG!
This was a good pick and now I am happy.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
we’re just gonna Acie Law’em…
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
OK, talked with Jhan about Teague today. I think this pick, combined with the Crawford deal, seals the fate of Mike Bibby, which isn’t a bad thing at all.
Bibby is gone.
Now, the question is do they make sure to keep Flip, while they feel Teague out? I think they have to.
Still no center to compete with Orlando or Cleveland (much less Perkins in Boston).
So, if the ASG is serious about competing for a championship, in the East, THIS next season, then it has to be through the trade for a legitimate center.
I don’t see any way around it…..
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
did i miss somethin’ with this pick??? is WOODSON outta here?? young, small PG??? didn’t they just try that??? ACIE ring a bell???
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
this kid is a local INDY product….and i got to see alot of what he’s got ! HAWKS fans should be happy………………..
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
Call Atlanta Metro PD. Hurry…
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
Wow..a PG with a 1/1 Assist-Turnover ratio! He should fit in nicely with our other ballhandlers.
The future indeed!
Go Hawks!!
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
With the Teague pick, does that confirm we wont resign BOTH Bibby and Flip?
I like the pick. Now if we can sign Jarret Jack, that would be great.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
9:28 pm
I like the pick – I just don’t like what the Twolves did though
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:28 pm
With Crawford in a Hawks uniform, you don’t have to worry about IsoJoe no more..lol… Shoot it..
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:28 pm
YezzzzzzzzziRRRRRRRRRRRR!
We did the logical thing for once.
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:29 pm
whew!
now, it is time to get big in the free agent pool.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
9:29 pm
My goodness some teams helped themselves tonight… Blair is getting lucky in a way… He can get on a good team not a rebuilding project… Sekou, is MN talking to the Knicks about one of those guards?
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
Rather than having drafted Acie again, I think we might have gotten a young Bibby-type. But that’s just me. Don’t know for sure what he will/can do, but if he can shoot it consistently, he…well, I don’t know. But this pick doesn’t surprise me. Sund not taking Mullens DOES..
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
what is wrong with going the approach of OUTSCORING our opp’s?
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
I wanted Maynor, but I’m happy with Teague. Still cant believe Blair is still on the board.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
See ya Bibby!
Chicken Little
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
I wouldn’t be surpise if Sund try to buy the Minny next pick to get Mullen….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:31 pm
Was Teague as good as Acie in college? How can we bring back Flip or Bibby? At this point, it’s Jarrett Jack or BUST.
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
9:31 pm
Good pick for the Hawks, we need someone who can get to the bucket. Lets just hope hes given a chance to play. Now we need to get a veteran point guard to help develop him. I would like to see Bibby back, but not for more than 7 or 8. I’d start with about 5 mil a year and feel him out.
Dub C
June 25th, 2009
9:31 pm
Good pick! Teague is a ‘baller’!
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
9:32 pm
Thank God we passed on Mullins. Btw, Lawson was picked for Denver.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:32 pm
Kirk,
The darkness does not become you. Maybe Teague becomes a younger Bibby, and learns to pass. Maybe, maybe not. I wanted Lawson or Maynor.
Minnesota is trying to corner the market. Somebody obviously thinks they can emulate Kevin Pritchard.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
9:32 pm
Yeah he’s a Bibby type except quicker – I remember him beating Georgia Tech’s defense repeatedly. I like him, and if coached properly he should become a beast
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
9:32 pm
Jeff Pendegraph in the 2nd.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:33 pm
He’s been compared to Chris Paul while he was at Wake Forest…
Not saying he’ll be “Chris Paul Like”…
But I’m not saying he won’t either…
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
9:33 pm
Gotta agree with Joe (kind of hard). But I traded e-mails with several of you yesterday, regarding the Crawford deal, and said that the projected lineup didn’t fit with Woody-as-coach at all. With no other major changes (or any at all, really), this team is even more built to run. So why hand it over to a guy with absolutely no offensive clue at all?
Gotta believe that Woody doesn’t make it to the 30-game mark, next year.
Just don’t see any other reconciliation…..
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
9:33 pm
Well congratulations Bibby-haters. I think HB Ando is correct and this likely seals the deal for Bibby. But be careful what you wish for. Things were not so rosy until Bibby and his poor defense came along.
No Bibby+No frontcourt improvement=8th seed…maybe.
Go Hawks!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:33 pm
N.O. just picked Speedy Claxton, again
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
I think he’s a bit better at attacking the basket than Bibby has ever been…
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
we’ve got Smoove and HORFORD low…….let’s kill em’ from outside! Bibby and that contract can walk…we’ve got something special now…..why is everyone on some BS about what the lineup is gonna be like, i just don’t understand some of you fans!
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
i actually liked Collison… good defense… hits open shots.. and im no fan of Pac 10 nothing…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
Ray, accept Teague supposedly can’t catch and shoot. Check out his draft profile on DraftExpress. It is frightening.
Hornets draft a defensive-minded PG.
Too bad we won’t buy a pick to grab Blair or Mullen.
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
ALL the PG’s are going quick.
Teague looks like Bibby & his release from outside looks very similar.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:35 pm
except, not accept. Too rattled… kant right write.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:37 pm
Ando,
Lol…you really think Shaq will be a difference-maker come playoff time? I honestly will be surprised if he plays 50 games this year. And he and Ilgauskas will have to split the 48 minutes at the pivot even when both are healthy. D-12 is just 1 inch taller than Al. The only 7-footer in the NBA who is a legit beast is Yao, and he’s also a walking injury.
I agree that it would be nice to get a legit center. I’ve been pushing for that for awhile. But the idea that Cleveland just became invincible with the 2009 model of Shaq is beyond silly. He’s not exactly unstoppable anymore.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
Watched Teague pout and quit couple of times this year. Turned me off on him. But can score. Jamal Crawford can score more.-Skip Bayless on Twitter
Ronnie Price is Gone-Hoospworld on Twitter
LOL!!!
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
Gotta believe that Woody doesn’t make it to the 30-game mark, next year
Ando, Woodson’s deal was sealed a few weeks ago when he didn’t get an extension.His demise buys Sund time to address the frontcourt and whatever else goes wrong this season.
I think we can officially start the Woodie Clock now.
Go Hawks!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
Bibby won a title in college. He walked into the NBA as a leader. #2 pick in the whole draft. Teague is likely light years closer to Acie than he is to Bibby.
terrell barron
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
Go away Kirk. How bout a little optimism.
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
if BIBBY isn’t back then look for team IQ to be in the low 60s…PERIOD!!!! make that 50s with the WOODSON factor!!!
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
Think about it like this,
You guys are comparing him to Bibby. And if he can provide Bibby play – he’ll provide it at a much cheaper price. That gives the Hawks cap room to go out in FA and actively pursue some much needed bench talent and depth. They can start by trying to resign Flip. Or maybe go find a BIG.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:39 pm
Jack would be a perfect signing now.
JJ/JC/Teague/Jack would be a very solid backcourt.
Now we need to sign/trade for some size.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:39 pm
i’m sick and tired of everyone cryin’ for some “savior” big man! all you that were callin’ for ODEN….NOW WHAT? like i’ve always said, BUST ! a big is NOT the answer this team is lookin’ for…….build a team around alot of solid 4’s….and we’ll be OK ! you all act like there will be some “franchise-saving center” that’s gonna help our squad! sick of hearing it, fellas…………….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:39 pm
Ray, watch your favorite Western Conference team (Portland) go with Blair… to help out the Care Bear they start at PF.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:40 pm
Wow, they went on the cheap. Charter Cable must still be struggling.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:40 pm
Ariose, I AGREE 100 %.
I never liked him in college, but what can you say – it was a PG heavy draft and it was obvious the Hawks needed to take one.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:40 pm
kirkinga…
u know im no Bibby fan but… again.. my whole knock on Bibby was that his defense and he wasnt the distributer he once was or needed to be for the Hawks to excel… but the irony of it all is Teague has the same issues and strengths…
looking more and more like a money thing to me…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:41 pm
Kirk,
Gotta agree that Bibby has done a lot for this team. It was his offense, obviously not his defense. Never hated him, and could see bringing him back, though recent events suggest this will not happen.
A few things to contemplate: 1)As I said before, every GM wants to put his own imprint on a team. Sooner or later, Sund was going to prove that he is no exception. 2)Why do we assume that Bibby is a victim? Are we absolutely certain that he wanted to stay, and that management wanted to keep him? We don’t know what kind of talks have gone down money/contract length-wise. 3)The draft isn’t even over yet, and we’re acting like the season is about to begin.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Mike Brown better watch his back with Shaq coming. Shaq knows how to fire a coach.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
B I N G O
BIG RAY.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Co-sign Big Ray.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Speaking on Woody’s fate…Does anyone find it strange that neither Van Gundy nor Jackson gave their opinions on the Hawks squad before or after the pick? Maybe Woody’s replacement is at the draft…….
Just passing time til 49.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:44 pm
Joe,
I would have agreed with you, but they decided to stockpile overseas. Who cares, I’m not a Blazer fan. I guess their confident that their CareBear can cut it in the West. Tell me, who would you rather have next to Al Horford, the CareBear or Dummy (Josh Smith)?
By the way, I’m not sure who my favorite Western Conference team is. I’ll have to get back to you on that.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:45 pm
speaking on the day’s BIGGEST LOSS……. R.I.P “the real MJ”
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:45 pm
Funny, Casspi has been compared to Noccioni, who plays for the Kings.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:45 pm
Nobody wants to spend money all of a sudden. A run on Euro’s?
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
9:45 pm
Portland doesnt need any more young players. Unlike the Hawks, they are very deep already.
Jack/Sessions has to be the PG. We should not sign Bibby, when Teague might turn out to be a young Bibby. Give me a PG who plays defense.
Also, I wonder if Sund will move up to take Mullens? Sekou, any thoughts (I know you had Teague as the pick in your mock draft)?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:46 pm
Much rather have Smith. He attracts “interesting” bloggers.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
9:47 pm
Great day to be a Demon Deacon…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dub C
June 25th, 2009
9:48 pm
RaJaH, I was thinking the same thing. But the Hawks never get any publicity, period!
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
my childhood has been BLACKEN’D……”Bernie Mac, MJack, Farahh, EdMac, “Mr.Grasshopper”, and WTISDALE…..RIP to all…….
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
If this Demon Deacon is 75% of the one we passed on I will be very happy.
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
too easy to say the loss of one player will make that much of a difference when there is a wholesale turnover coming. anyone above ground realizes that. will the loss of bibby change the face of the hawks? well yes, but it not like going back to revisit the years with lue and johnson being our starters.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
I like that he has the same skill set. I think the thing with Teague is that since he’s younger you can mold him offensively and defensively…problem is I don’t think we have the coach to mold him
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
Well Portland is MY favorite West team. I like the pick, but am now really, really puzzled about the trade, because no one had Claver before the second round…kinda reminds me of how the Falcons traded up to take Reggie Kelly back in ‘99
SayWhatYouWant
June 25th, 2009
9:50 pm
Its about the Money. Thats ALL! Bibby’s goose is FRIED!! Its sad though because we had just Came Up in the league.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
9:50 pm
Can I ask you guys something? Why is that a team like the Lakers can see the virtue in having 3 very good point guards (Fisher, Farmar, and Brown); but why not the Hawks?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:52 pm
DraftExpress is down. Check out their in-depth anlysis on Teague tomorrow. The section where they break down his offense… catch & shoot vs. shooting off the dribble, etc. I know that they are just one source, but check it out. Tomorrow.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:52 pm
JSS…
Lakers= $$$
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
9:53 pm
JSS, one word – MONEY.
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:53 pm
JSS – because Kobe is their shooting guard. Also, those PG’s are all “very good”. I would rate them as mediocre at best.
doc
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
that is the way to go aj, take one for the blog. heh heh, wanting smith for anything.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
Damn, if I had a foreign name, I might get drafted in the next few picks.
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
LOL @ Astro Joe….”interesting” is one way to put it.
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
Shyyyt…. I like Beaubois….
jhan
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
I meant aren’t “very good”
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
WOODSON couldn’t mold $hit even if you gave him the original damn mold!!!
and cats don’t comment on WOODSON as a HC ’cause they know he $ucks at it…PERIOD!!!
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
9:55 pm
bibby’s contract dump=alot of space….and a great hired gun that was a temporary solution
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
9:56 pm
Honestly, you people are comparing a young fresh point gaurd coming out of college to a pretty good veteran PG that we’ve had for a couple years. If he’s anywhere near as good as Bibby is at the moment, don’t you think the ceiling for improvement is a bit higher for this kid than say of someone like Bibby, who I assume has already hit/passed his prime?
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
9:56 pm
to paraphrase denny green, we are where we thought we were.
from my post earlier this morning (players under contact/drafted):
1 ) ?
2 ) Joe Johnson
3 ) ?
4 ) Josh Smith
5 ) Al Horford
6 ) Jamal Crawford (1/2/3)
7 ) ?
8 ) Mo Evans (2/3)
9 ) ?
10 ) Jeff Teague (1)
11 ) ?
12 ) Randolph Morris (5)
13 ) ?
14 ) ?
15 ) ?
i know there has been debate on crawford at the 1/2 with jj maybe sliding to the 3, but either way, it points out that there are still a lot of holes to fill.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
9:57 pm
Bulls didn’t need to waste that 1st pick on Blair after all huh
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
9:58 pm
Lol at JSS. How do you know we won’t re-sign Bibby? I’m with Big Ray on this one – nothing is set in stone.
In fact, we can probably re-sign Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza without increasing our payroll this year. Bibby is not getting more than $6M/yr on the market this summer since no one has any cap space, so I bet we could get him back for $7M. The $8M “savings” from Bibby’s paycut could be spread between Zaza and Marvin with about $2-3M left over. The lineup after that would give us 2 players at every perimeter position (Bibby/Teague, JJ/Crawford, Marvin/Mo) and the same 3-man big man rotation of last year, when we finished in the top 10 in the league in fewest points allowed despite everyone’s screaming about our weak frontcourt D. And we could use the remaining “savings” from Bibby’s paycut to bring in a rotational big man, if need be.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
9:58 pm
BIG RAY,
so Josh Smith went from bein’ JSmoove to JDummy? LOL!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
9:58 pm
Tony Douglas to Da Bulls?
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
Has Blair been picked yet?
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
BigDave/Good Grief,
Uh…the Lakers are spending $6.5M combined on their 3 point guards. We were spending $15M on one.
doc
June 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
myk, where u been dude, tell us the scoop on jamal?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
There must be an X-Ray floating around the draft rooms of Dajuan Blair without a leg bone.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
blair is outstanding value at this point in the draft
Billy Nite
June 25th, 2009
10:01 pm
no blair whats uo
Fire Sund and Woody
June 25th, 2009
10:01 pm
With the news that Amare is available, I hope we ship Josh Smith and whatever else necessary to PHX for Amare. Stephen Curry has been rumored to be moving as well. We should strike another deal with Golden State, sending Marvin and Teague to GS for Curry and Wright. We could then re-sign Bibby OR sign Jack to play the point and Flip to back him up. We also need to trade a future pick and move back up to take Blair. I’m sure I am living in a fantasy world, but this team is closer to a 35 win team than a 50 win team. We have no true PG, no superstar, a lack of dead-eye shooters and only one effective big in Al. Marvin and Josh Smith must go.
Jack, Crawford, JJ, Horford, Amare
Flip, Curry, Evans, Blair, Zaza
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
And PS – the Lakers just SOLD their draft pick for cash while we traded two expiring contracts for a guy who’s making $20M over the next two years. So seriously, I’m laughing my a$$ off at that idea…
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
Blair’s still there.
He would be a S T E A L at this point.
Someone in one of those draft rooms needs to pop in the game tape for his 2 games vs UCONN…
He man-handled Hasheem Thabeet
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:03 pm
We no longer have tradeable salary assets to package for Amare or Bosh. Speedy’s contract was the only “filler” we had.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:04 pm
And here comes Blair…I can feel it.
infamouskrs
June 25th, 2009
10:05 pm
sick and tired of fans SMASHIN on SMOOVE the guy is regarded as many as a future ALLSTAR !
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
10:05 pm
niremetal, I wouldn’t want to put the Hawks bank up against the Lakers bank right now…who knows maybe there’s a slim possibility we have a bit more money but I’m not willing to bet on it…
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
10:05 pm
yo doc…you know i have to admit i didn’t watch a lot of GSW last season. my scoutin’ report is marked incomplete on him. now with Amare and Curry this season, i’ll watch ‘em just to see how much they score…and how much they give up!!!LOL oh yeah, gotta watch Acie too. wishin’ him the best now that he’s free from the CLUELESS ONE!!!
The Flash
June 25th, 2009
10:06 pm
Jeff Tigue is gonna be a great point. Great! Crawford is gonna allow JJ to move to the 3, which will get him more active and have him attrack much more attention without the ball which will open the middle. These are two excellent additions. The Hawks became much more exciting. Look for more rim attacks by JS, JJ, and Tiegue, whose floater and pull up I love. Very good moves!!!!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:06 pm
Lol. Nevermind.
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
10:07 pm
Nire, I’ve been pushing for a center since before you started law school. No, really.
And Shaq played 70 games in Phoenix this past season, and hired a personal trainer to replicate the the workout routine he had there. So, I’ll take the over on 50 games, and highlight that it’s more valuable that he plays those games after the all-star break and during the playoffs. This is also a contract year, and he wants an extension (never dismiss the pro athlete playing in a contract year). He ALSO wants a fifth ring, to pass Kobe and Duncan.
I ain’t saying he’s a slam dunk, in Cleveland, but your casual dismissal of both the player, and his realistic impact on the Eastern Conference, seems either uneducated or confusingly agenda-driven.
Hope the shiny law degree is doing you well….
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:07 pm
Good Grief,
Do you know what operating profit means? No? Ok.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
10:08 pm
sam young to the wolves – this time
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:08 pm
Ando,
Shaq said he’s probably retiring after this year, so I don’t know if this qualifies as a contract year for him…
richbrave
June 25th, 2009
10:09 pm
While ZWIZARDS fans look on and forward to the second round.
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
10:09 pm
JJ…attack the rim??? which JJ you talkin’ about Flash??? Joe gets to the rim ’cause he can take advantage of his size at 2. won’t be the case at 3…IMHO
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
10:10 pm
and he gets into the lane more than gettin’ to the rim!
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
10:11 pm
Here’s what NBADraft.net had to say about Teague, predraft:
NBA Comparison: Kevin Johnson
Strengths: An extremely quick and explosive guard … A natural scorer, plays at full throttle the entire game, constantly putting pressure on the defense … Has great open court speed and loves to push the ball in transition, where his skill set allows him to maneuver around defenders as well as finish at the rim … Plays with great confidence and possesses a killer instinct … Keeps his dribble alive and continuously probes the defense for openings … He is very good at using his body to shield the ball from help defenders when finishing in the lane, he is able to adjust his finishes in mid air, making it very difficult to block him … His first step is well complemented with a nice variety of hesitation and crossover moves off the dribble … Constantly changing up speed and direction makes him very unpredictable, and hard to contain … Extremely good at getting into the lane where he can find open teammates on drive & dish situations … Knows how to draw contact and doesn’t shy away, as a result he is very good at getting to the line, where he converts at a very good clip (85%) … Has improved on his shooting consistency in every category, even showing more confidence is the midrange game … Great hands and foot speed allow him to be a menace on the defensive end at times … Has shown that when he puts his mind to it, he has the tools to stay in front of pretty much anyone at the college level …
Weaknesses: Slight frame gives strong guards the advantage of bodying him and taking away his driving angles … He is not a pure PG, even though he has good vision and decent ability to deliver the ball, he lacks the mentality of a playmaker … Would be in a more natural position playing off the ball, but at 6-2, defensively he would be a walking mismatch … At times very wild and out of control, often overpenetrating and trying to make plays far more difficult than they have to be … His Assist to TO ratio is almost 1/1 for his career, directly speaking on his inability to read the action and make correct plays … He has become a more consistent shooter, but his stroke is still awkward as he shoots it infront of his face, and he takes too long to set his feet. He also shoots a “palmball” instead of getting the ball off of his fingers, but it works so probably no sense in changing it … Still lacks a reliable in-between game, his touch from the midrange is a bit shaky; if he isn’t at the rim, his floater and teardrops are much more inconsistent … Takes a lot of bad shots that come early in the shot clock and are out of the offense … Defensively he lacks focus and fails to put in a consistent effort … A lot of his shortcomings are a direct result of inexperience, he possesses some great tools which should help along in his development … He would benefit as a floor general and playmaker by returning for his junior season, but with such a breakout season, it’s likely he will be drafted based on his potential to develop those skills on the fly, and a high draft pick will be difficult to pass up …
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
They said the Cavs have one of the most expensive backups in the game now. Haha. What do yall think about Illgaskus?
Think the Hawks can maybe resign Zaza and then maybe trade him over to Cleveland in a deal? Know it would never happen, but just something till 49…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
Good pick for Minny at 28…
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
sam young, anyone? anyone?
SB
June 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
Teauge is closer to Law than Bibby, but he shoots it a lot better than Law. I don’t think the Hawks plan on bringing back Flip.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:13 pm
T Wolves did well. They come out with Rubio/Ellington/Jefferson/Love. I don’t know about Corey Brewer but with that team, he only needs to run the floor and play defense. Nice job. And they will get something when they trade Jonny Flynn.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
10:14 pm
Nire, not going to argue bout it man. If that’s where you want to go do it with somebody else. Of course I know what that means, its mandatory since I own a small business. I wouldn’t want to put ours against there’s and that’s where I stand. If you’re willing too than so be it – no reason to go back and forth about money that’s not mines.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:14 pm
Wabe,
If we need defense at the pivot, Ilgauskas is most definitely NOT the way to go…
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
10:15 pm
not a true PG…where the hell have i heard that before??? if we don’t re-sign BIBBY i submit to all, we NEVER REALLY WANTED a true PG!!!
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
10:16 pm
Nire, Bibby is all but gone with the Crawford trade…I’m impress with what I seen so far…I think we go Big with second pick and Big in FA…Chill and Anderson either will make this one of the most productive off-season in a loooooooooooooooooong time.
HALLA @ YA BOY!!!!!!!
Fire Sund and Woody
June 25th, 2009
10:16 pm
Infamous,
Your boy Josh Smith couldn’t beat me in horse. He can’t shoot, he’s out of control, a headcase. All he can do is jump out of the gym. He possesses all the athleticism in the world, but he’s not a 3 and he’s not a 4. Josh Smith will not be a future all star!
Marvin Williams and Josh Smith’s contracts are all the tradeable salary assets we need to move. This team needs another big to take the pressure off of Horford. Josh Smith is not it. Marvin Williams will never be successful in ATL. He will always be regarded as the guy we took instead of CP3 and Dero. He needs a change of scenery, and Josh Smith needs to get the heck out of town.
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
10:17 pm
Dang it guys there goes our man Toney Douglas.
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
10:17 pm
Blair has no ACL in either of his legs, that has to be the only reason he hasnt been taken. Like people are saying, he is a beast, but teams dont think his knees will hold up very long. Still at this point, it would still be a good pick, even if he only gives you five solid years.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:19 pm
Good Grief,
Sorry. Didn’t mean to be snide, but most people around here who talk about ASG not having money pretty much don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. I’ll just say this – the company that owns the Hawks also owns Phillips Arena, and that venue has most definitely NOT lost money in the past few years. The Lakers have been overbloated for years with staff and scouting, and it caught up to them when the recession hit. I would lay good money that ASG’s parent company posted less of a loss than the Lakers’ this year.
That would be why the Hawks made a payroll-increasing move while the Lakers sold their pick. For cash. And nothing else.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:20 pm
Dajuan Summers to Cleveland?
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
Dang, Matt, no way to reconcile that I heard he’s looking for a two-year extension. If you’re right, I’m wrong (except for his perceived value in the upcoming season). If I’m right, you’re way off base on one of the most dominant centers in the history of the league, with 4 rings going into this season.
Both he and Z seem to be 24-minute players now, so the idea of having both of them adds up. The matchups against everyone else in the East, save Orlando and Boston, are irrelevant.
The Cavs clearly didn’t match up with Orlando, despite their regular season record. Doing nothing to address the front line mismatch would logically lead to a repeat. Adding one of the best big men in the history of the league seems a worthy shot, especially since they gave up a back up swing man and a “ready to retire/be bought out” Wallace, who has both quit, and is no longer able to get around upgraded NBA drug testing policies.
What’s the downside of getting rid of Wallace and Sasha-Who for the possibility that Shaq is motivated to make history on the downside of his career?
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
I like Dajuan Summers… What happen to Derrick Brown…
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
And Blair falls to the second round. No guaranteed contract for him…
jhan
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
who?
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
Is this the Recession Draft or what? Teams are selling and making picks with no intentions of signing these players for the upcoming season…
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
Portland still gets Blair to help out their Care Bear. Or worse, Wizards grab him since they have a collection of shoot-first guards that only exceeds your Atlanta Hawks.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
Ando,
Shaq said back in September that he’d be retiring in 2010. Haven’t heard anything since then and knowing Shaq, he might have changed his mind 5 times since then. But beyond the explicit statements, Shaq is a proud guy, and my guess is that he won’t stick around unless he can keep putting up at least 14 and 7, and those days are fast coming to a close for him…
Sautee
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
Funny how so many posters can be negative when they hide behind a fake blog names. Or maybe it’s more pitiful than funny.
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
terrell barron, um, I thought I was the leader of the Optimist Camp? What happen? Was I deposed?
bigdave, you’re right. It does look like a money thing as of now. I have no problem with anyone calling Bibby out on his defense, my problem is that people either overlook, or underplay the results. It’s all about winning and the Hawks didn’t do much of that until Bibby arrived.
Ray I think you’ve misunderstood me so let me be really clear. Bibby is no victim. The Atlanta Hawks basketball team is the victim! Sund is right to run things as he sees them, but it’s all about results. If he can’t look and see that his team didn’t win much until Bibby arrived then he’s watching himself and not the team.
I give him praise for the Crawford deal so this isn’t blind animus I have for the man. I really am worried that without Bibby, this team takes a step (or two) back, and possibly diminishes the Crawford trade if he has to play significant minutes at the 1.
It’s all about winning. If Sund makes more moves that improves our frontcourt, I’ll be happy. But letting your(still effective) floor general go without a proven replacement isn’t good basketball.
Go Hawks!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Tell them JVG… rebounding matters.
fudd21
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Can we make a move to get DeJuan Blair. Heck I would even take a shot on Patty Mills. I just don’t see Teague being a leader. Wake Forest got beat in the first round with 2 first round picks. Too much talent for them to finish the year the way they did.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
Ok Nire, I see where you’re coming from – good points.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:34 pm
kirkinga,
How do you know that Crawford wasn’t brought in to replace Flip rather than to replace Bibby? And before you say “salary,” keep in mind that the salary we traded away was about as much as we took back, so this trade did not alter our financial ability to re-sign Bibby.
H/t to Ray for getting me to see that, btw.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
What happened to Mike Tirico? Stuart Scott asks really bad questions. Did he forgetthat Deng is signed to a very long contract?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
Unbelievable, Wizards draft a combo guard. Because Arenas and Foye were insufficient.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
Yesterday I said the Wizards’ brass had 9 brain cells between them. Today, I was proven wrong. They have 7.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
10:39 pm
seriously, the two pitt guys must be in shock right now
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:39 pm
Blair must have been caught tapping on the restroom floor during one of his workouts.
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
10:43 pm
dag JOE!!!LOL
now if JC was brought in for Flip instead of Bibby then the move makes ’some’ sense. tho i do think Flip brought some much needed attitude to the team.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
10:49 pm
Joe:
Blair was probably caught tapping Sam Young because they both slipped something serious.
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
10:50 pm
I stand corrected!
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:50 pm
Well you can strike the Pistons off the list of teams that have cap money to offer Marvin. They drafted two SF tonight…
Aunt Marguerite
June 25th, 2009
10:51 pm
Now now, Mr. Anakin Joe. That was uncalled for young man!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
10:51 pm
The rich get richer.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
10:51 pm
no wonder san antonio has been so good for so long. perfect, perfect pick.
rms
June 25th, 2009
10:51 pm
Sekou what are your thoughts on the Hawks pick? WHat are you hearing since you aint commenting???
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:52 pm
Nice pick by the Spurs. Just what Duncan need playing aside him. A nasty round mound of rebounds….
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
10:52 pm
dont think the Lakers selling their picks for cash had anything to do with the financial state… they just dont build through the draft… they acquire players, then pay them…
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
10:52 pm
DaJuan Summers is a steal for Detroit. An absolute steal in the second round.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
10:56 pm
Sekou. Agreed on Summers….
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
10:57 pm
Kirk,
I understand what you’re saying. This smells like a money issue or whatever, but I submit again that the offseason has really just begun. Remember how uptight I was last offseason and you were telling me I was way too impatient? Back at ya friend.
Now having said that, I’ll join you in the darkness if Sund doesn’t make more good moves, and things take a turn for the worse. Also, I agree that we stand to take a step back without a proven floor general on our team. But with Crawford, I think we take less of a step back than we could have if we lost Bibby and were forced to try and patch things up with Flip and whomever we could get off the scrap pile towards the end of the season.
I feel that trading for Crawford put us in a position of strength in negotiations and what not. While it may not be highly likely that we re-sign Bibby, it’s not entirely impossible. Still, is it not better for us to be in a position where we are not forced to give Bibby WHATEVER he wants, because we can’t afford to lose him at all? And how much would be too much when it came to paying him?
Consider that he may not be as thrilled to be here as we were to have him. What then? Would you rather be stuck overpaying Flip and trying to find HIM a backup or alternate at the end of the summer?
In the end, I think you’ll see us make some moves to acquire another experienced pg (though not as experienced as Bibby) before the season starts. It may be Jarrett Jack, or somebody else. That’s if we don’t re-sign Bibby. Which may have been coming, whether we liked it or not.
w8102chawks
June 25th, 2009
10:58 pm
Avery Johnson will report to the Hawks front office tomorrow morning or sometime soon, dude would love to teach this team and show a young pg a thing or two.
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
10:58 pm
We May be able to get Danny Green!!!He may fall!!!
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
10:58 pm
I’m hoping Green is still on the board for us
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
10:59 pm
San Antonio knows better than to look a gift horse in the mouth…
LOL at Niremetal…
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
10:59 pm
niremetal, my goodness man, this is THE day for speculation is it not? I think we all operate under a subjective standard when it comes to projecting what certain moves mean before the offseasons concludes.
I don’t believe the Hawks drafted this guy with the thoughts of him being the 4th guard in a 4-man rotation behind JJ, Bibby, and Crawford. That is the basis for my thoughts moreso than money.
I cannot completely pan the pick because the Hawks may well try to resign Bibby but ultimately prove unsuccessful. I just happen to believe that the path to advancement for the Hawks lies in improving the frontcourt first.
Perhaps Sund will surprise us and swing a deal for a couple of bigs. Maybe he can pry Scola away from the Rockets should they complete a deal with the Rockets.
Go Hawks!!
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
11:00 pm
Nire, you really think that the ASG traded for a guy with a $10 million/year contract, to be a BACK UP?
Really?
What, about this organizations’ track record, supports that type of financial commitment for a second-team player?
I’m just curious, is all……
doc
June 25th, 2009
11:00 pm
kirk, i give bibby cred where it is appropriate, however, bibby probably had the ball under his watch about as little as any point guard in the league. he had very little to do with “running” the offense. he was a weapon himself. even when he was on the court with flip he did very little to make things happen. he was erratic on assists per game as a measure of how much he had to do with the success of the offense other than taking the heat from jj. he also disappeared in many games having no impact whatsoever. example was the playoffs both years. reality check, again this team is on the rebuild and there is no way to keep it together nor expect it to look anywhere like it was last year, bibby or no bibby.
blair is going to a very good program for him.
Mike is back
June 25th, 2009
11:01 pm
I know some players have slip, but I feel that Siler is got to be our guy…but I want be mad if the kid from Gonzaga is selected…we gotta go 6’11” or taller with this pick
Harry Hawk
June 25th, 2009
11:01 pm
It’s gonna be Jamal and Joe in the backcourt.
Follow the money.
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
11:01 pm
I was writing stories rms. Dang man, I gotta pay the bills. Ha. Teague’s the real deal man. He’s going to be a good player. And there’s no rush this time. Fantastic pick. He has true point guard skills, too, I don’t care what the pre-draft profiles say.
Second round pick could be interesting. If Budinger or someone is around, snag him.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:04 pm
Geez, Chris F’ing Wallace is talking about defensive toughness.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:05 pm
What are yall thinking at 49?
There’s still some big names on the board.
Should we go BIG? Or get another gaurd to complement Teague with – maybe a Patty Mills or Marcus Thornton? I’ve seen both play, Thornton more than Mills, and they’re both pretty good.
Personally, I watched Thornton give UNC fits in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourny. LSU was the only team to even give UNC a fight throughout the tourny, and much of that had to do with the matchup problems Thornton posed.
I’m thinking we’ll go for a BIG – but I wouldn’t be surprised if they took another gaurd like Mills or Thornton if they’re there.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:06 pm
Sekou, so you must expect a bunch of big men to sign with the Hawks via free agency, huh?
JSS
June 25th, 2009
11:07 pm
Mike, I was about to ask about Josh Heytvelt… There are some teams between 42-45 who may scoop him up (Pistons)
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
11:09 pm
Ray again what you are saying is completely rational.So I’m not going to argue with you.
But I am still waiting for someone to make the case that a PG with a 1/1 A-T ratio is someone to get excited about. I’m reading alot about athleticism and not enough about basketball skill. Yeah Bibby could shoot, but he could hold on to the ball, he could hit the big shot, and he could lead.
Then again, we did hear those leadership and maturity things about Acie last year and well, we see how that worked out.
But Ray my greatest fear is that we not only fail to address the frontcourt, but that Crawford ends up playing the 1 with results similar to what we saw with the unfortunate experience with JJ in that role.
Promise me that will not happen Ray…lol!
Go Hawks!!
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:10 pm
Yep. The same Chris Wallace that offered a contract to Josh Smith. How about that. Not reading anything into that. Nope, not one thing. Heh.
Kirk,
I think Sund will try to do something. And really, he will HAVE to. Zaza is a free agent, and after that, we have what? Solo? Nothing against Solo, but he may not be in the long term plans. And RandMo is…well, fill in the blank.
Sund will have to do something, and I think he will. The question is whether that something will help us.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
Kirk, I share your pain.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
I’m starting to get a bad feeling
doc
June 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
as a follow up chuck has elegantly shown this team has huge holes and it has not given up any “cap” room to make it better. none of us know what they are budgeting to spend this year, nobody. everything beyond that is speculative and will not be known until the roster is complete unless sekou has heard some inside info. that info is the critical measure for competitive success and structuring a successful team. the higher the number the more likely we keep bibby unless he is unrealistic on his value to the market or to this team. he will decide whether to stay or not based on his ego.
nire, you are a smart guy but many have written what ray finally convinced you of. where was the block/resistence to understanding?
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:12 pm
Solo is a FA. We have Horford, Smith, RandMo and a slew of combo guards.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
11:15 pm
Is Joe D the new BK… How many SF’s is he going to draft tonight.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:15 pm
Ando,
I won’t even argue with you on ASG finances anymore, man. You’re just intractable on that front, so it’s not worth my time anymore. Sorry.
Good Grief
June 25th, 2009
11:16 pm
man, wth do Stuart Scott be talking about sometimes…
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
11:17 pm
doc again my allegiance is to the team, not Mike Bibby. I saw the imperfections but all I care about are the results. There seems to be some short memories around here of what it was like before he arrived.
It’s about winning and I believe Bibby was difference maker in that regard, defensive liabilities notwithstanding.
But if you believe the Hawks are in rebuilding mode s you stated, then yeah, letting Bibby walk makes sense. But so does letting JJ and others go does as well. I don’t believe the Hawks are rebuilding, at least not yet. What they do with the frontcourt will tell the story every bit as much as what ultimately happens with Bibby.
So it’s simple really. Are the Hawks, as presently constructed, more likely to win with Bibby than without him? I would answer in the negative and that is what concerns me…results
Go Hawks!!.
doc
June 25th, 2009
11:17 pm
kirk, we just traded away a guy with a 4 to 1 to ratio, didnt hear you crying about him this season or as he leaves nor eager to see him take the reins.
guess i can repeat what you siad over and over last summer, there is plenty of time, be patient. that was with the need to only make two or three moves instead of 4 to 6 this year. yes, i would like bibby back but i prefer some action on making us bigger of nastier with some vet meat that doesnt model for gq in chandeliers on his ears nor pop popcorn on the side as a sign of veteran leadership.
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
11:18 pm
Minny select 4 pg’s out of 5 picks.Tonight…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:18 pm
Kirk,
I’d like to make you that promise, but I know better, lol! Crawford can actually survive just fine at the pg position with JJ out there with him. It would be different if JJ wasn’t such an able ball-handler. I also think JJ won’t be pounding the ball as much with Crawford out there with him. Crawford isn’t going to stand around. And one of the main reasons that pg experiment failed with JJ is because there really was no second scoring option in the backcourt (or anywhere else) for Joe to get the ball to. If Crawford plays a scoring pg role, he can still get the ball to JJ, Marvin, Josh, and Al. JJ was the clear #1 scoring option, and practically had nobody to give the ball to that could score on their own. Jamal won’t have this problem, if it comes to that.
And while I understand the concerns about Teague’s turnover to assist ratio, we’re also talking about a guy who was called upon to play more 2 than 1 in college. I think he can be molded into a better ball handler.
Tony Parker was wild as hell when he came into the league. Look at him now. Not that I’m comparing the two. But if he can learn, and is willing to learn, then it will be okay.
As for our frontcourt, I truly get your concerns. Don’t know what Sund will do, but he HAS to do something. We’ll see what it is…
kwooden1
June 25th, 2009
11:19 pm
I’m not a big Teague fan, saw him a few times against Maryland U and thought Wake Forest had a bunch of underacheivers. With that said, he’s athleticism is as advertised and he’s got a nice handle. I like him a little better than Acie in Woody’s system because he can get his shot a little better. Enough said, do have a problem with the pick.
GO HAWKS!!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:21 pm
MILLS!!!!!!1
rms
June 25th, 2009
11:22 pm
Sekou, what were people saying about Chris Paul and Deron Williams when they were drafted? Is it the same thing they are saying now about all these pgs drafted right now.
kgbsfinst
June 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
Patrick Mills? Would the Hawks really draft two point guards? Would that force Woodson to at least play one of them? Is Woodson willing to? This should be an interesting pick.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:25 pm
I’ll tell you Teague is much better with the ball in his hands than Bibby. He’s more of a playmaker. He can slash to the basket, has the mid-range game although his shooting form is being questioned, and is enough of a point gaurd to make around him better.
Honestly, look at teams like Miami who started Chalmers at the point this past season. He wasn’t spectacular, but he played pretty well for a rookie on a team that clearly overachieved this season. Sure they have D.Wade, but honestly, the talent level on that team is nowhere near the talent level the Hawks have. I personally think Teague’s play will in large part be influenced by the players around him. JJ and Crawford can both get inside and slash, which opens things up for a guy like Teague. The biggest difference between him and Bibby is simple: IF OPPOSING GAURDS RESPECT HIS ABILITY TO SHOOT THE BALL – IT WILL MAKE IT THAT MUCH TOUGHER TO STOP A GAURD LIKE TEAGUE WHO POSSESSES MUCH MORE QUICKNESS AND HAS THE ABILITY TO SLASH TO THE BASKET. Putting that around guys like JJ, Crawford, Marvin, and FLIP (if he resigns), you got 3-4 guys that are all capable of opening up driving lanes for the slashing point gaurd.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:26 pm
I’m guessing the PHOENIX takes Patty Mills..
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
11:26 pm
NOWAY HAWKS PICK PATTY MILLS
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:26 pm
Buddinger is still there…
If the Suns don’t take him…I honestly don’t see the Hawks passing on him.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:27 pm
My guess is that the Suns snap up Mills at 48. He’d make a good young insurance policy for Nash, whose contract is almost up. But I’ve been wrong with my predictions all night…
Harry Hawk
June 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
I’m going Priest Lauderdale, maybe Scoonie Penn.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
i like the 2 minutes 2nd round selections. the 1st rnd needs to be 2min
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
Quick, who ya got?
Buddinger? Mills?
Other?
I got Buddinger – but wouldn’t mind Mills.
You take Mills, add depth to the bench, and then go out and pursue some BIGS via trade/FA?
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
Dang, the Suns got the wrong Lopez last year and the wrong Griffin this year. This is a bad joke.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
Yup. I am to draft night predictions what Chad Ford is to Hawks predictions…
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:29 pm
Wabe,
Budinger is gone, man…
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:30 pm
MILLS!!!!!! MILLS!!!!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
11:30 pm
mills wil go to s.a. b/c they make the right picks
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
You know, we can complain about the situation we’re in, but the fact is that we missed out on pgs years ago, while we stockpiled forwards. Sooner or later, it was going to be time to pay the piper, and here we are. We were going into the offseason with exactly two guys under contract at the pg position: Law and Claxton, neither of which was a guy that anybody was confident in handing the reins of the team to.
Now we’re complaining because we just traded away the two most unlikely candidates for the pg position, and are stuck wondering if life can go on without the first decent pg we’ve had in years….Gee, I wonder how it all came down to this, hmmmm?
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
For real?
My mistake.
I see now Houston possesses his rights.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
who had Sergiy Gladyr in the pool?
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
can anyone tell me what the SNICKER’S Patrick CHEWING commercial is supposed to mean?
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
I’m gonna say Siler. Which means we’ll pick Mills…
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
Josh Hevlet?
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
11:32 pm
ha.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 25th, 2009
11:33 pm
pick is Sergiy Gladyr guys
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
11:33 pm
OK…they just go to commercial on us.
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
11:33 pm
NIRE,
you were wrong abuot the suns takin’ Mills.
LOL @ SEKOU
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
Well, maybe he and Cenk can get together and party it up Black Sea style…
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
Stupid Pick.
Harry Hawk
June 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
I wanted the guy who won the Ukrainian Basketball League dunk contest. We get some shooter. What a joke! I wanted to see some hellish one-handed dunks thrown down by a dude with a 20-inch vertical. This draft is depressing.
J-MAN
June 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
any chance of making any trades for a big to get some boards
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
Are you kidding me?
Did I NOT SAY SUTON would be picked right around the Hawks 2nd round pick?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would’ve rather took Suton man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ant banks
June 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
DAM, hawks waisted their 2nd rnd pick
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
Another guard. My goodness… How many players will we have playing over seas next year. (Cenkyl,Andersen,Childress and now this guy)…
JSS
June 25th, 2009
11:36 pm
Told you I had a bad feeeling
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
NOW that’s money saver!! draft someone you know you’re not gonna sign!!!
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
Quote from earlier today that I’ll stand by:
“I’ll go ahead and say this – and some of you might think I’m stupid for saying this – I WOULD RATHER HAVE GORAN SUTON > TYLER HANSBOROUGH.
By no means am I suggesting we take Suton at pick 19, but what I am saying is Suton is a much more versatile player than Hansborough – and is not as raw inside the post. He has some range, and honestly I don’t see Hansborough as being that much better in the NBA game than Suton. To be honest, I think Suton will have a better NBA career than Hansborough. Suton played extremely well in the NCAA tourney and shows that he has the skill set/ability to have a decent NBA career.
I mean, by what most of you are saying, no matter who the BIG we draft, he’ll be coming off the bench. Instead of wasting our pick at 19, maybe try to acquire a pick later in the draft and take a BIG like Suton to come off the bench instead of taking Hansborough at 19…?”
A Tribe Called Quest
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
sund only butchered 1 of the 2 picks! yay! seriously, when was the last time the hawks had an overachieving 2nd rounder?
we should give marvin the QO or sign him to a good deal. we need a wing around 6″8., mo and crawford are kinda short. so resign duck or get another wing in that’s big enough
and we are seriously short on bench bigs. was it sund who said you need 3 backup bigs to win a title? maybe he can revitalize one of the thunder scrub bigs who will sign here for nothing
how about signing shelden to randolph morris money?
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
We might as well have forfitted that pick.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
Haha…you guys make it sound like there’s a team in the league that bats better than .200 on their second round picks. Outside of the Spurs, there isn’t.
And frankly, I think the Spurs just whiffed big time with theirs…who needs a fat, slow point guard? I thought Mateen Cleaves retired…
doc
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
kirk i would prefer to say restructuring or reloading as this time they do have a core of four players possibly in jj, josh al, now crawford and maybe marvin. before the trade so many decired we were at three core players. now if we trade jj and josh in august then it is rebuild, i dont suggest it nor expect it.
boring pick in the second round. it is about money, pretend to do something without having to put out any money for the nbdl. maybe woody has more pull here than we think …. only one draft pick to coddle in two years. heh heh
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
whatever HAWKS!!!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
Horrible pick for the Hawks in the 2nd. Shoulda took Mills. I knew Sund couldn’t resist….
HB Ando
June 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
I don’t know who Sergiy Gladyr is, but I’m sure he and Cenk Aykol will make a great backcourt for some Euro team now….
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
WTF….what are we doing, trying to draft our own overseas team? Well, we’re on a roll. So far we have Cenk Aykol at the point, Chill at the three, this new kid at the 2, and Anderson at the 5. One more pick next year, and we’ll have a 4 to round out the starting five. Then we can start on the bench…
Melvin
June 25th, 2009
11:39 pm
Welcome to he 2009 NBA RECESSION DRAFT…
Sekou Smith
June 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
Second round pick Sergiy Gladyr, some 6-5 shooter. Now it’s really time for us all to go to sleep. Dude was at the draft. But won’t be at Philips Arena for three or four years, if ever. Classic. Good night and good luck.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
Hey, at least we didn’t spend our first round pick on a guy that won’t be signed, like several “big spending” teams did…
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
And on that note, I’m going to bed. Get to find out in the morning whether or not I got promoted to Lieutenant (won’t be disappointed if I don’t, time is on my side).
Night y’all….and Sergei….
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Rick Sund is an Idiot…..
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Man Sund’s 2nd pick has got me HEATED…
Why does he insist on passing on talent that could help contribute NEXT SEASON as opposed to players who we will probably never see….
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
We could have picked Mills and traded for a future pick?????
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
and the winner in this years draft….ACIE LAW!!!!
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Ok, say hello to Sergey Gladyr, exclamation point.
Go Hawks!!
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
11:42 pm
I look forward to hearing what Sund has to say in regards to our second round pick. There had to be somebody we could have drafted to come in and try out for a spot. We take some guy who will be stashed overseas for 3 years (if he ever comes over).
This sounds like a cost saving move. Sekou, any info on this?
G-Man
June 25th, 2009
11:42 pm
Hey guys calm down a little. This guys seems like a lights out shooter.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sergey-Gladyr-5702/
Hawk n the Ham
June 25th, 2009
11:43 pm
Did Sund throw a dart on that guy? I mean come on, Suton went right after him. Couldn’t we have atleast taken Suton? Oh well….Crawford is our draft pick this year
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
11:43 pm
Sekou,
Classic indeed. Did we not learn from Cenk and Andersen?
Good luck tomorrow Ray.
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:44 pm
Good luck Ray. I can’t believe I stayed up this late to watch Sund draft another guard.
That man needs Jesus.
Night all.
JSS
June 25th, 2009
11:44 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sergey-Gladyr-5702/
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
11:45 pm
Houston is on the ball tonight!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:45 pm
Well, the folks at DraftExpress liked him, and he is only 19.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sergey-Gladyr-5702/
We were never, ever gonna get a rotation player at 49 anyway, so it’s no-harm no-foul. Keep in mind that unlike with Americans (who either must be signed by training camp close or else cut) we can keep the rights to international players forever. We weren’t gonna get a rotation player at 49 anyway (far, far from it), so this hardly was a “wasted pick.” At this stage in the draft, you might as well take an international guy, because you’re just as well off signing an undrafted FA as you are with spending your late 2nd round pick on a fish-or-cut-bait basis…
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:46 pm
well at least the 2nd pick is obvious…in name only..req’d by the CBA!!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:46 pm
We picked some Ukryanian scrub over Patrick Mills? WOW….
Big Ray
June 25th, 2009
11:46 pm
Thanks guys. Sund is beyond Jesus with that pick, Joe.
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
11:46 pm
San Antonio gets Blair, Portland gets Pattie Mills. Good value for both teams.
MannyT
June 25th, 2009
11:47 pm
I suspect the Sund dialing will continue tonight to get a few 61st picks in the fold. I’d expect at least 2 of them to be big space eaters like the big fella, Siler, they brought in last week. After all isn’t he one of those TV Heroes?
I am cracking up that the only drafted player that has no comments on NBA.COM is Sergey Gladyr.
BWAF
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:47 pm
JOE, the OAKTOWN cheerleaders say hello!!!LOL
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:47 pm
Enter your comments here
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
11:48 pm
Are y’all really stressing over a 2nd round pick? I’m actually disappointed they didn’t just sell the pick for cash. Would have probably made it easier to re-sign Bibby. Outside of Mills, who would have been 3rd string at best, I don’t see anyone they would have taken who had any shot at getting minutes this season.
Blast
June 25th, 2009
11:48 pm
Wow! Mad activity on the blog tonight. Lot’s of new bloggers too.
Just wanna say I love the way Sekou started the blog tonight. Hawks players all excited about Crawford coming in to the fold? Their reaction is simply hysterical. If current Hawks players are this excited, it could only mean that free agents would be more willing to resign with the Hawks. “He gets buckets.” Sekou said Hawks players were saying. “Major buckets. Is he really coming to the Hawks?”
Folks say he has never played on a playoff team. So? How many playoff teams has he been unfortunate enough to be signed up or traded to? New York? Golden State? Were those his faults? Dude has beaten the Hawks all by himself almost every time we played his team, be it New York or Golden State!
And welcome to Atlanta, point guard Teague!
Go Hawks, Go!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:48 pm
G-Man: HE’S A SCRUB!!!!!! HAVE YOU HEARD OF HIM BEFORE…..SAY IT WITH ME SCRUB!!!!!! MILLS IS A BEAST!!!! WHAT A STUPD GM MOVE BY RICK…..JUST WOW!!!!!1
RaJaH
June 25th, 2009
11:48 pm
That’s why the went to commercial on our @sses!
JSS
June 25th, 2009
11:49 pm
There’s no way all of these bigs are going to survive to pick#60
bigdave
June 25th, 2009
11:49 pm
David Kahn GM of the T’Wolves has no idea what he’s talking about or doing…
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:49 pm
Jesus saved ACIE LAW!!LOL
kirkinga
June 25th, 2009
11:50 pm
Well doc, I think restructuring might not be correct either. How about restockingthe guard position?
This pick makes zero sense.
Perhaps we got a rid of a GM with a forward fetish for one with a guard fetish?
Good Luck Ray!
Go Hawks!!
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:50 pm
And again, people are slamming Sund, while Portland, Thunder–>Mavs, and Cavs spent FIRST round pick on a guy who won’t see the other side of the Atlantic for a couple years either. And the Nuggets–>Rockets, Pistons, Lakers, and T’Wolves all spent higher 2nd round picks on the same.
But hey. I guess all those GMs are just idiots too.
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:50 pm
Portland is starting to look scary.
They just solidified there point gaurd problems with the 55th pick in the draft..
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
Oh, add the Spurs to that list at #53…
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
SUND TRULY MESSED THAT UP…..FREAKING IDIOT!!!!! UGH!!!! AT LEAST MILLS WELL GET PT THERE….
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
Najeh, we have NO BIG MAN DEPTH. Alade Aminu could have at least used his 6 fouls on all of those PGs who will parade into the painted area as they blow by Crawford and Teague.
Here’s the profile on Teague:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Teague-5293/
mykhalc
June 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
oh the pick makes sense…req’d by the Collective Bargaining Agreement
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:52 pm
NIRE, DON’T GO THERE……..S.C.R.U.B!!!!!!! SUND IS DONE MAN….WOW I DON’T CARE…..HOW DO YOU SCREW THAT UP!!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 25th, 2009
11:52 pm
Nire, those teams likely have a few more players on their roster. We have RandSlo.
doc
June 25th, 2009
11:53 pm
ricky rubio is a poor man’s pistol pete.
now sund needs to get some players. they were never going to draft a big in this draft as they needed to get a player to play and they knew it. said it in so many words during an interview on 680.
J-MAN
June 25th, 2009
11:53 pm
lets buy just B.J. Mullens like
ny will do
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
11:54 pm
SYGEY BLADDER=SCRUB!!!!
O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
11:54 pm
AJ,
I am not a fan of the pick either. But Sund will probably say that some of these guys will go undrafted, so we could bring them in for tryouts. Siler, Aminu for eg.
I wonder if we will resign Solo? And can somebody tell me why we signed RandMo for 2 years?
Wabe
June 25th, 2009
11:55 pm
LOOK OUT FOR THE BENCH!
YOU WANT GUYS THAT’LL AT THE LEAST PROVIDE MINUTES!
Reggie
June 25th, 2009
11:57 pm
Ariose: Mills would have gotten zero playing time. I do agree with Najeh and Nire. Have you seen Sergiy play? So why do you think he’s a scrub? Just for clearification the Reggie saying we should have just forfitted the pick wasn’t me so you don’t think I’m suddenly changing my mind. From what I’ve seen he can fill it up from deep and is very athletic. We can maybe send him over to Europe a few years and let him develop. It’s kinda like a MLB draft. Not a bad night but I was EXTREMELY disappointed when I saw the Wolves take Lawson. I really thought he was right there for us when Philly didn’t take him. I really wasn’t expecting the Wolves to grab him. I think Lawson could have really been big for us. I think Teague is solid but he won’t help out a lot thisd year.
niremetal
June 25th, 2009
11:58 pm
Add the Suns to the “wasted pick” list too.
Come on, Ariose/Joe/whoever. We’d already picked a young PG in the first round, so Mills made no sense. You actually think that any of the guys we could pick there would be a cut above Othello Hunter or Thomas Gardner? Or a “61st pick” as MannyT put it?
This is the bottom of the second round. Most of these guys get cut in training camp. It’s frankly laughable to criticize ANY GM for a pick made at that stage in the draft.
Hawk n the Ham
June 25th, 2009
11:58 pm
And with the 49th pick in the draft, the Atlanta Hawks pick ‘Hawk n the Ham’. The Hawks will keep ‘Hawk n the Ham’ where he currently lives in Birmingham for the next few years, so he can continue to develop in the local corporate after work league. Where he will work on his pick and roll and bench warming technique.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
12:00 am
Lakers waste their pick! Oh no!
Reggie
June 26th, 2009
12:00 am
Wabe: Portland didn’t just solidfy there PG situation with the 55th pick of the draft. Come on now.
Ariose: Man chill out. Did you expect that much with a 49th pick? Mills would have been a non factor who might not have made the team.
A Tribe Called Quest
June 26th, 2009
12:03 am
I think Sund took this Ukranian guy because he didn’t want another pick. Maybe no one wanted the pick (lol?) and he just wasted it on a guy who he knew he’d never bring here. Just like we know David Anderson and Cenk Aykol will never come here.
Now the work starts. He must find some bigs to come fill this bench. I’d look at Stromile, Wilcox, Gortat, resign ZaZa, maybe resign Solomon
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
12:06 am
Reggie, you don’t think a backcourt with Mills/Roy is better than Blake/Roy?
In no way am i trying to bash Blake, because I know he’s capable of dishing out 10+ dimes on any given night…
But I think they bolstered there backcourt with the addition of Mills.
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
12:08 am
Remember, many thought Mills was capable of landing with a team from 20-30 in earlier mock drafts.
JSS
June 26th, 2009
12:09 am
And with the final pick
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
12:12 am
NBADraft.net had Gladyr going at 44 to the Pistons, FYI. And the ESPN analysis was pretty favorable.
Siler and Heytvelt go undrafted. Those were the two guys I’d have wanted with that pick anyway, so I’m a happy man
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:12 am
I KNOW DARNIT, BUT I DON’T CARE. WE COULDA TRADED HIM TO PORTLAND FO SOMETHING……I’M JUST BEING SELFISH B/C HE WAY MY GUY……AND THE STUPID AZZ CAVS TOOK DANNY GREEN…..I HATE CLEVELAND
ANYWAY, I’VE LOOKED UP SYRGWEY BLADDER AND HE SEEMS LEGIT SO I’M NOT MAD.
IS HE NOT COMING OVER? HE WAS HERE TONIGHT SO?
KevinA
June 26th, 2009
12:13 am
Well the last minute trade of crawford a pick didn’t materilize. After the draft we have added yet another pea to the pod. Teague, Flip, Bibby, Crawford – all can play/no history of defense. We got to dump three of these 4 and sign Chills.
Reggie
June 26th, 2009
12:13 am
Wabe: No not for this season. He struggled in workouts and that’s why his stock went down. I think he will be a solid PG in the future nut he won’t do much this year for Portland. He defnitely wouldn’t do much for us with how many guards we have now.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:13 am
TYRESE RICE WASN’T DRAFTED. WE SHOULD BRING HIM INTO CAMP…..SILER TOO…
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
12:14 am
Wabe,
Come on, now. If Patrick Mills was ready to be an improvement over Steve Blake, he wouldn’t have slid into the 50s on the draft board. If the Blazers could get a starting PG in him, they’d have spent their FIRST round pick or at least their earlier second round pick on him instead of on a guy who (gasp!) will be playing overseas for at least a couple years.
As it is, Mills will probably get cut in training camp or else will play third string behind Blake and Bayless.
JSS
June 26th, 2009
12:14 am
Thank God!!! Miami had a brain lock
No free throw shooting Dozier
A Tribe Called Quest
June 26th, 2009
12:15 am
I’m a little confused…
Woodson loves Bibby and wants him to end his career here. If we bring Bibby back, there’s no way Flip is back, right? Teague is “the point guard of the future” so he better be getting minutes and it doesn’t seem he’s too injury prone.
Sund must get some quality backup bigs and we must figure out this point guard situation. If Crawford doesn’t play PG for us, we can resign Bibby and develop Teague, but if Bibby gets a 3 yr deal, that’s 3 years that Teague will not get major minutes.
ughhh
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
12:15 am
If only I had a superstar brother, then I could get drafted by the Suns.
61, 61, 61, 61, 61, 61, 61…Sund–go get those big dudes.
BWAF
Reggie
June 26th, 2009
12:15 am
Niremetal: haha.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:17 am
Hawks international scout Mark Crow, who scouted Gladyr in Europe, and he had this to say:
“Gladyr is a 6′5″, 19-year old kid with tremendous shooting ability. I saw him hit 11 3’s in a game against Lithuania for the Ukranian National Team last year. He’s got great form, and he’s a very good athlete as well.”
Reggie
June 26th, 2009
12:18 am
kevinA: We have Tegue, Flip, Bibby, and Crawford. You want us to drop 3 of them. You make no sense. Explain so you don’t sound stupid please.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:22 am
NIRE, YOU WILL DEFENETLY EAT THOSE WORDS LOL! WOW…..MOST DEFENETLY. HE WILL PROBABLY BE 2ND OR 3RD OPTION, BUT CUT? HE MIGHT BE THE STARTER BY THE END OF THE SEASON….
I LIKE WHAT THE HAWKS DID THOUGH. I OVERREACTED….I’LL ADMIT IT. GOOD DRAFT BY US OVERALL. IS BLADDER COMING OVER THIS YEAR????? HE WAS IN NEW YORK…..
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
12:25 am
I look forward to free agency. Hopefully we can resign ZaZa and sign a PF who does not need the ball to contribute.
Let Bibby and Flip go, and sign Jack or Sessions.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
12:29 am
The 2nd half of the 2nd round and undrafted free agents are basically interchangeable. Patty Mills will probably be available as a free agent a year from now. Players like Aminu and Siler are available as free agents, and it’s not like they would provide any more quality depth than Solo or Randolph Morris currently do. I agree that the Hawks have needs that must be addressed, but I’m in agreement with niremetal here — the 2nd round is such a crapshoot that criticizing any GM for their picks here is pointless.
Teague’s the guy we should be wasting our words talking about. I’m not thrilled with the pick — Maynor would have been a better fit in my opinion — but I’m glad they didn’t get Mullens.
Oh yeah, and as for my guy DeJuan Blair, watch him be the steal of the 2nd round playing the minutes previously played by Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas. That guy is going to be good.
cp
June 26th, 2009
12:30 am
I like Teague. He is nothing like Law. Teague is more explosive, can shoot the ball, and is probably a better penetrator. The guy who most favors Law is Maynor… I like Law but I think he will get the same treatment Don Nelson gave Marcus Williams last year. Williams game is very similar to Law’s. With the addition of Curry and they might bring CJ Watson back so I don’t see many minutes at all for Law..
I wish we would have traded up in the second to get a guy like Green or Young but its nothing you can do about it.
JSS
June 26th, 2009
12:31 am
Naj, I like you about most things, but I am telling you this kid will… I just hope Miami doesn’t have a deal with him already….
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
12:32 am
NBADraft.net scouting report on Sergei Gladyr, just uploaded now.
It’s nice to see that he bucks the standard Euro stereotype by already having good strength and defensive skills. I would still be surprised if this guy is a Hawk any time in the next couple of years.
JSS
June 26th, 2009
12:34 am
Blair was a steal for team that needed a tough guy
Sekou Smith
June 26th, 2009
12:41 am
I was kidding about Gladyr earlier folks. I was just trying to pack up and get the heck out of the conference room/holding cell the Hawks had the media in for the draft. Dude might turn out to be a fine player some day. If I’m still covering the NBA when it happens, that’ll be even better.
But there were some true steals in the second round. And most several teams pounced on them. Time will tell.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
12:41 am
“Woodson loves Bibby and wants him to end his career here. If we bring Bibby back, there’s no way Flip is back, right? Teague is “the point guard of the future” so he better be getting minutes and it doesn’t seem he’s too injury prone.”
In my eyes Flip was a goner the moment the Crawford deal was approved. Crawford gives the Hawks the same things Flip does, but better.
Crawford replaces Flip just fine. Bibby’s the guy he doesn’t replace. If the Hawks can find a way to get Bibby and Joe in the backcourt with Flip and Jamal coming off the bench, I think they are 50 game winners easily next season. But replacing Bibby with a Crawford-Teague tag team would be a step back.
One thing that could work is bringing Bibby back, trading Marvin for big man depth and a future pick, and going small more often by moving Joe to small forward and playing Crawford at SG for stretches at a time, particularly when Teague comes in off the bench and pushes the tempo.
I do think the Hawks can keep Bibby despite having Teague and Crawford in the backcourt now. But I doubt they can keep Marvin as well. Either Bibby or Marvin is probably gone. In the short term, Bibby is the more valuable Hawk.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:41 am
POOP, NO WAY. TEAUGE ATLETICALLY IS BETTER THAN MAYNOR…..I’M NOT SURE IF MAYNOR WILL SUCCEED ON THIS LEVEL…..
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
12:42 am
Ariose,
I will bet you a Gatorade that Mills won’t see the floor for the Blazers for more than 30 games this year unless Blake and/or Bayless get injured. I know he’s your boy, but there’s usually a reason that 51 guys are picked ahead of someone. And the idea that he’ll be starting for Portland by the end of the year? Dude, I’ll put down $25 and give you 25-1 odds on that. Get in touch with Ray – he has my email address
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:43 am
GOTTA SIGN BRANDON BASS….
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:44 am
I DO THE GATORAIDE ONE LOL, BUT MILLS IS A STUD…..
kirkinga
June 26th, 2009
12:45 am
I must say that I find the idea that the 2nd Round is basically a “Just-For-Fun” exercise to be unconvincing. I think if we look at the 1st Rounders of recent vintage, we’ll find a higher than expected percentage of failures there as well.
The NBA is a business and as with any business when an opportunity arises to improve your product/service you don’t fritter it away. The Hawks are not the Lakers, they should always be looking to get better. This last pick is one a club makes when it is satisfied with it’s roster right now and don’t see any need, or opportunity for a player to contribute.
The Hawks are no such team and as such don’t get a pass for a horrible, illogical pick no matter when it’s made.
Go Hawks!!
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
12:46 am
Najeh,
One thing that could work is bringing Bibby back, trading Marvin for big man depth and a future pick, and going small more often by moving Joe to small forward and playing Crawford at SG for stretches at a time, particularly when Teague comes in off the bench and pushes the tempo.
Who will play perimeter defense?
Sorry, but the signing of Crawford made it essential that we bring back Marvin, Chills, or both. Otherwise, we’ll need to get used to the sight of the opposing backcourt dropping 50 points on us and Josh and Al picking up 2 fouls in the first quarter because they’ll have to play help defense on almost every single play.
bigdave
June 26th, 2009
12:47 am
just looks like we got the same kind of pg we already have… just explosive, cheaper, younger, and without the experience… looks like a shoot first guard who plays off the ball at times… either we dont want the “traditional” pg or he has a ways to go…
few goodies from the youngster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybt537Q4ZOo
does have that Bibby like release, even holds it up there like Bibby likes to do…
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:48 am
HE’S BETTER THAN SERGIO RODREGUEZ RIGHT NOW, AND MILLS WAS IN THE DOGHOUSE ALL LAST SEASON WITH SERGIO STRUGGLING…….HE’LL PLAY WAY MORE THAN 30 GAMES….
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
12:48 am
I wasn’t pulling much for Mills, but would’ve rather had him over whatever his name is. Personally, Mills seems like a better fit for Portland down the road. Your saying he slid to the 50’s, but so did guys like Jodie Meeks slid down into the 40’s, and should easily make the roster.
Personally, I thought the Hawks could’ve put more use to this pick instead taking yet another guy who we wont see for 3 years, who knows, might never see him. Suton is easily better than some of the guys that are riding the end of the bench at the moment…
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:49 am
I MEAN BAYLESS WAS IN THE DOGHOUSE LOL….
bigdave
June 26th, 2009
12:50 am
by the way….
with the current players in the fold… why wont we RUN…RUN… RUN!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
12:50 am
I agree with Jay Bilas’ assessment of Mills. Solid backup PG potential in the NBA, probably should have been drafted higher, but probably ain’t a starting-quality NBA PG. Niremetal’s probably right that he won’t play much for the Blazers, but they already have one guy who is very steady (Blake) and one guy who is an athletic freak (Bayless), not to mention another guy in Sergio Rodriguez who has some skills himself. It’s a tough situation for him as far as winning playing time. Maybe he gets stashed in the D-League, lights it up, and gets traded to a team that can give him some minutes?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
12:54 am
“I must say that I find the idea that the 2nd Round is basically a “Just-For-Fun” exercise to be unconvincing. I think if we look at the 1st Rounders of recent vintage, we’ll find a higher than expected percentage of failures there as well.”
True, but the big difference is that 1st rounders instantly get long-term guaranteed contracts. You are investing in your first round pick for multiple years. 2nd rounders, if they even manage to make the team, get two-year near-minimum contracts, which means there just isn’t as much incentive for a team to develop them. And especially when you’re picking near the end of the 2nd round, the difference between the guy you pick and the guys you invite into summer league as undrafted free agents is usually pretty slim.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:54 am
HOOPSWORLD…MORE INFO ON CRAWFORD/OUR BACKOURT
http://www.hoopsworld.com/TheWireStory.asp?id=19232
A Tribe Called Quest
June 26th, 2009
12:55 am
Bringing Crawford and Flip off the bench will be a disaster. Both guys shoot nonstop, and I know from body language that players got tired of Flip hogging the ball at ends of quarters. I’d love to try it out, though. We need to drop JJ’s minutes–that’s foremost….Why not just trade our 2nd rder for JJ Redick or someone?
I’ll be interested to see where Hedo is headed. The Magic traded nothing for a huge salary piece, so they should be way over the cap. I can’t believe teams are allowed to trade trash for superstars (I still consider Vince a superstar). Rafer + Courtney Lee? The Nets already have a freaking PG…They think they’ll have cap space for 2010, but no one wants to play for a team with no one on it (besides Joe in 2005). The Nets’ roster looks anemic now…Devin Harris, Brook….
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:57 am
POOP, SERGIO GOT TRADED TONIGHT LOL…..ALL THEY HAVE IS BLAKE AND BAYLESS
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:58 am
LIKE I SAID, BAYLESS WAS IN COACH NATE MCMILLANS DOGHOUSE LAST SEASON. HYPER, BUT NOT A GOOD SHOOTER OR PLAYMAKER. IF HE’S NOT SHARP, MILLS WILL PASS HIM ON THE DEPTH CHARTS QUICKLY.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
1:03 am
“Sorry, but the signing of Crawford made it essential that we bring back Marvin, Chills, or both. ”
Maybe. I agree with your point about perimeter defense. My small lineup idea was meant to be a change of pace thing, to get the backup guards playing time while changing up the tempo — not a full time thing. But it will presumably cost at least $6-$7 million per year to bring back Marvin long-term, and if we are solely bringing him back for the purpose of playing perimeter defense… that makes about as much sense as paying your backup shooting guard $10 million per year. At some point the DASG is going to have a budget restriction, and if it means that the Hawks have to decide between Bibby and Marvin, they are probably better off at least in the short term keeping Bibby and trading Marvin.
Put it this way — you can find a perimeter defensive specialist easier than you can find a point guard with the poise and intangibles of Bibby. Trevor Ariza is a free agent.
Of course, if they can re-sign Bibby while matching whatever Marvin gets offered… that’s the ideal scenario. But do any of us really believe that’s going to happen?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2009
1:06 am
Damn, I totally missed the part about Sergio Rodriguez getting traded. Too many trades, man…
kirkinga
June 26th, 2009
1:24 am
True Najeh, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t reach for a player who can help your team right now. If the team’s attitude is that a guy in the 2nd Round isn’t likely to help then what’s the harm in “reaching” for a guy that could at least help you just in case he’s that rare exception?
bigdave, it’s going to be hard to run if you are getting outrebounded almost every night. It will also be tough to run if your point guard is as likely to turnover the ball as make an assist. Right now I don’t see the Hawks running as much as we all would like to see.
Go Hawks!!
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:54 am
what’s the harm in “reaching” for a guy that could at least help you just in case he’s that rare exception?
The harm is simple – with an American player picked in the second round, you either have to sign him during training camp or else cut him and make him a free agent. With international prospects, you get to hold onto their rights forever. Since most second round picks never crack an NBA rotation, doesn’t it make MUCH more sense to take an international player who you can take a “wait-and-see” approach with rather than using it on a second round pick who you have to decide on within 3 months? ESPECIALLY since you can probably get pretty much equally talented players from the “undrafted free agent” crowd?
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:10 am
NIRE, YOU WIN.
LOL, BUT SERIOUSLY, I SEE YOUR POINT.
Ed
June 26th, 2009
2:31 am
Good luck on your promotion Ray!
The steal of the draft is without a doubt DeJuan Blair. The Spurs had to be giddy to see him still there and what a perfect fit.
In the same way that Orlando would be the favorite to make it back to the finals if they re-sign Hedo in addition to the Carter pickup, the Hawks re-signing Bibby would be a significant step forward. Not resigning their respectived FA;s would be the equivalent to treading water. Unfortunately because of finances both teams most likely will tread water.
terrell barron
June 26th, 2009
4:59 am
Draftexpress take on Teague:
Best case: better shooting Monte Ellis
Worst case: Louis Williams/Aaron Brooks
I can live with that at #19.
Mac-Town
June 26th, 2009
5:29 am
I dont understand why some people love Bibby so much at this point in his career. It’s not like he’s a terrific passes, he’s an absolute NO SHOW on defense, and he cant get to the basket.
All he is in my eyes is a streaky shooter, which one can find anywhere.
Any PROVEN PG we can get to start ahead of teague that can actually get to the rim, play atleast decent D with atleast a decent jumper …..would be an upgrade.
Ken Strickland
June 26th, 2009
7:49 am
With Crawford in the fold, I don’t see the need to spend what it would take to resign Flip, which would viturally duplicate what we now have in Crawford. I seriously doubt if we will resign Chills because Sund doesn’t seem to value his talents. None of us can be sure if Chills wants to return to the Hawks knowing Sund’s opinion of him and also knowing Woodson would never ever start him.
If we don’t resign Flip, and having traded Speedy and Acie, it’s almost a given Bibby will be resigned. Woodson passed on drafting PG’s in the past that were rated much higher than Teague, and I doubt if he’s changed his mind about not wanting a starting rookie PG. The key FA signing for the Hawkd will be Zaza. He’s not over the hill and has provided toughness, rebounding and energy off the bench. We can’t replace his production by signing another over the hill FA like former Hawk LWright.
Let’s face it, Woodson isn’t going to consistently utilize more than one BIG in his limited rotation anyway, so resigning a known comodity like Zaza makes sense. If we don’t resign Flip, Teague will have to get good mins.
POOP-I don’t see the wisdom in trading Marvin and moving JJ to SF. JJ has already suffered letdowns the last half of the last few seasons as a result of being overused. The added responsibility of rebounding and defending bigger and stronger players will only add to those issues. I see our starting lineup coming back intact, and hopefully Zaza as well. If Zaza’s resigned, that leaves us with a bench comprised of MEvans, RMorris, JCrawford, Teague and 2 open spots, with Zaza, Crawford and Taegue getting the bulk of the mins.
Cherokee STH
June 26th, 2009
7:57 am
Let me get this straight…we took the 10th best point guard in a bad draft and are EXCITED about it? You had the chance to take the second or third best big guy in BJ Mullens and use Jamaal Crawford for now and look to the cutting room floor for future buildable material. Bad move ASG
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
8:15 am
We have to let bibby go now he will want 6mill or more and thats to much money for a guy thats career on the down slope lets use that money to resign zaza, flip, solo, and some how bring back chill.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
8:27 am
We dont need a point guard let crawford starte at the point and let flip back him up it only make sense and were do people get this idea that jamal cant play defense he can at the point but when you move him to big guard he is playing out of position period keep him at the point.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
8:33 am
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTE JAMAL, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD.
BENCH FLIP, MOE, CHILL OR HAKIM WARRRICK, CHARLIE V OR SOLO, ZAZA.
RESERVE JEFF TEAGUE, SOLO.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Mitch
June 26th, 2009
8:41 am
Imagine this: based on Sund’s comment that “I love shooters”…even had Ty Lawson been there at #19, Teague would have still been the pick. Sund said he issued the card with the pick right away following the #18 pick, which may be another indication that Teague was the choice all along.
Having watched Teague play numerous times last year, I was tremendously impressed with his accuracy and range. His floor game is solid, as he does a good job setting up his teammates, and his cross-over is quick and smooth, he keeps his legs strong in the lane and can finish over the rim.
What also impressed me is his quiet confidence. I wouldn’t quite call it a swagger, but this kid plays with his head up and maintain his focus and competitive desire. He can get a little edgy when things aren’t going well…but I like that in a player…it shows heart, IMO.
Teague will be a sharpshooter in the league, especially now working with Mark Price, JJ, Craw, Marvin, etc. What Woody can’t do with this kid is take away his quiet confidence. It’s about time that Woody coach up a rookie guard and keep this kid’s head strong. Teague avowed that he was going to emerge as the best guard in this draft. And guess what? If Woody feeds into this type of confidence rather than tearing it down, Teague may well be right.
As for Sergei…I hope the Hawks bring him in now, not two years from now. Playing in the Ukraine is not going to help this kid prepare for playing in the NBA. The Hawks could use him this year as a situational shooter, and start to groom the other parts of his game. Plus, get him with Mark Price asap.
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 26th, 2009
8:43 am
no reason to think i’ll be right on this, but if that golden state/phoenix deal does through in a couple of weeks i could see them trying to get the rights to josh childress. childress would be great in that wide-open offense and he’s a stanford guy so it would be a homecoming.
Daniel
June 26th, 2009
8:49 am
I like the pick, given what was on the board.
We need to resign Bibby to a two year/option year contract. We also need to resign Za, with the Cavs getting Shaq that just became easier. We HAVE to resign Marvin (even if it is sign and trade). Flip is expendable, but may be very cheap now. I still think we need a quality forward off the bench, Solo is NOT the answer. A Brandon Bass or Charlie V. would be excellent additions. If the Hawks return their starting 5 with a bench of Crawford, Teague, Za, Mo, Bass/Charlie V., maybe Flip(on the cheap). We will be a VERY deep and versatile team.
ILL-logical
June 26th, 2009
9:13 am
Bibby’s value is more to Woodson and his “system” than anything else. He represents the voice that the various internal factions on the team listen to and respect because of his longivity and accomplishments.And he doesn’t throw the ball away.
Woodson lost the respect of this team a year ago but because of their talent and youth they continue to win. But going forward, once Woodson is gone Bibby’s value drops big time.
Samuel
June 26th, 2009
9:15 am
Not crazy about our draft, especially our 2nd round pick. Why not go with a homegrown guy. Why reach thousands of miles to pick up a scrubb. My boy, Courtney Fells, didn’t get drafted but hopefully he make someone’s summer league team and stick somewhere.
GS got the best deal with Chicago second IMO. Minnesota is trippin.
Thanks for all the congrats to my Baby Girl. She really worked hard. She got a chance to meet Courtney Kupets, who is a very down to Earth young lady.
Ray, sorry I couldn’t hook up my man but i’m comming back down here to do some fishing. I’ll try to look you up. Tybee is nice!! My first time here.
On the Crawford trade. I actually would prefer Bibby to Crawford but if we know we will be losing Bibby then Crawford is pretty much the same guy. Hopefully, he can run the team like Bibby. If we can keep both, then good. I’ll take Crawford and Bibby over Crawford and Flip.
We still need to make a move to get a vet center who can score.
Realistically, we would do well to hold our 4th spot. I can’t see us moving past the “Big 3″ in the East. That’s ok by me. A 4th spot dynasty is better than a seller dynasty.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
9:51 am
If I think of Teague as our “PG of the Future”, I get mad. But when I think of him as our “Flip of the Future” I feel better about the pick. If Sund goes out and grabs Sessions or Jack and THEY become our PG of now/future, then this plan would make much more sense. Teague would have 1-2 seasons to learn how to be an effective 6th man and we’d be set at PG with a young veteran who doesn’t break into hives when playing defense.
I’m still convinced that ultimately, Crawford’s contract and poor shooting/defense will hurt this team far more than it will help, but at least I have found a way to feel better about Teague. I just have to squint my eyes, tilt my head and hold my right foot up. Oh yeah, there you go, NOW I can see how that was a decent draft pick.
I MUS WRITE
June 26th, 2009
9:54 am
Oookay!!! This Ukranian guy looks like a straight up sniperbut what good is that going to do us if he never comes over like david anderson and Cenyk……. Some one said this before me but why not get Sutan,Siler,Mills,L Hudson with that pick.
Players i want on the summer league team
G Siler
Curtis jerrels
Josh Hypfelt
I got a felling Patty Mills feels disrespected by his draft position and will make a name for himself quickly……..
If we bring back Bibby and Flip teague wont see the court at all – Sunds first draft is about a 6
Hoops
June 26th, 2009
9:58 am
Hey Guys,
I think the Hawks are going to be better. Crawford is a great pick up for Acie & Speedy! Teague was the best PG available @ #19. There was not any player available @ #49 that could make the team, so why not pick an international player that we can watch and let him develop. If he does, great! If not, what did we loose? Mills would not make the Hawks roster next year. We don’t need two drafted PG’s! This is not Minnesota!
Where do we go from here? Bibby, Flip, Jack? That’s going to be a key decision by Sund and Woody. Woody likes Bibby, so I will not be surprised if we re-sign Bibby for 2 years. We must re-sign Marvin now! I really wish Chills would come back, but I don’t see it happening.
My concern is inside! Zaza is a must sign! Charlie V. would make this a GREAT off season! This could be our team:
PG-Bibby/Flip/Jack, Teague
SG-JJ, Crawford
SF-Marvin, Evans
PF-Josh, Charlie V.
C-Horford, Zaza, Morris
ant banks
June 26th, 2009
9:59 am
IMUS,
i don’t think that we are bringin’ back bibby and flip. bibby, flip, crawford, teague, and jj? with one ball and 48min? ain’t enuff to go around.
also, what do we need to close the gap between clev, boston, and orlando and to distance ourselves from philly, chicago, miami, and indy?
roan st
June 26th, 2009
10:02 am
Some of you would bitch no matter who the hawks drafted. What great player were the hawks supposed to get at 19 in one of the weakest drafts in recent years? Teague was rated the best player available by most experts when the Hawks selected him with the 19th pick. Plus he fills a position of need at PG. Highest rated player on the board plus he fills a position of need equals good draft pick in my book. I love the two moves sund made yesterday in picking up crawford and getting teague.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
10:20 am
Lol at Chad Ford’s draft grades. I guess grade inflation has gotten to him too…
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
10:27 am
nire,
what did he give the hawks?
roan st
June 26th, 2009
10:38 am
19 Atlanta Jeff Teague 6-2 175 PG Wake Forest
The Hawks have acquired Jamal Crawford but weren’t done remaking their backcourt. Teague had the quickest first step in college basketball and is difficult to stop from getting in the paint. He’s a great upside pick for Atlanta. Don’t expect Mike Bibby back in Atlanta.
This was chad ford’s take on the hawks draft day moves.
roan st
June 26th, 2009
10:47 am
ATLANTA HAWKS GRADE: B+
Round 1: Jeff Teague (19)
Round 2: Sergiy Gladyr (49)
Analysis: The Hawks finally took a Wake Forest point guard — too bad it was in 2009 instead of 2005.
Teague has a killer first step and can get to the basket, but there are questions about whether he’s a point guard. On the other hand, he was ranked in our top five for much of the year, and had his team not crashed in the tournament or had he gone back to school for another year, he would have been a top-10 pick. So the Hawks got great value here.
As for Gladyr, he was one of my favorite players at the Reebok Eurocamp. He can shoot, is a good athlete and has a good feel for the game. In a few years, he could be a really good pick.
Chad ford’s grade of the hawks draft.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
10:49 am
G-Man,
He gave the Hawks a B+. Only two teams got worse than a B-. My favorite? He gave the Wizards an A despite the fact that all they’ve done in the past couple days load themselves up with a total of 8 players (Arenas, Foye, Miller, Young, Butler, Crittenton, Stevenson, and James) who play on the perimeter while trading away all of their frontcourt depth + the #5 pick, and selling their only remaining draft pick for cash.
And they get an A? I wish Chad Ford had been my professor in college. I’d have graduate summa for sure.
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
10:57 am
With Teague not known for his defense, and Crawford not known for his defense, we need a PG who is known for his defense.
Give me Jarrett Jack.
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
10:58 am
Let me rephrase that. Give me a PG who can defend his position (Jack is not knwon for his defense, but he is a solid defender).
I MUS WRITE
June 26th, 2009
11:02 am
Ant- We need sum help in the post BAD- ZAZA being a free agent all we have is AL and Solo- Wait Solo is a free agent as well. IF siler has any game at all he has the size to be that goon we need in the middle for about 12-15 minutes a night …ALA Jamal Magloire.
If Bibby/ZAZA/SOLO/Flip walk -I would try to get these guys as replacements……. Jarret Jack/ Gortat or Kaman/Charlie Vor Brandon Bass
Possible line up
Jack
JJ
Marvin
Josh
Horford
Bench: Crawford/Teague/Mo/CharlieV/Bass/ Gortat/Mario/Hunter G.Siler
San Antonio reall helped them selves via the draft…
De Colo is a solid player who should be a good fit in Pop’s system and Blair too….. If they get a solid big La better watch out-Parker-Mason-RJ-Ginibilli-Duncas-H-Blair- Bonner Hill is gonna be hard to deal with
bigdave
June 26th, 2009
11:03 am
Turk opting out… said to be seeking a multi year deal worth about $10/yr….
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
11:24 am
Called it! I just became a lot less worried about the Magic’s addition of Vince:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkJhWc2KSyDby1C7L.Ftqw85nYcB?slug=ap-magic-turkoglu&prov=ap&type=lgns
Hedo was tailor-made for Van Gundy’s system. Vince? Not so much. He’s a great player, but if they lose Hedo, I think their improvement will come from the continued rise of D-12, not the “trade” of Vince for Hedo.
Astro Joe
June 26th, 2009
11:36 am
nire, but Professor Sund would lecture you that Vince is in the “phase” of his career where he is interested in a ring more than personal acheivement.
I will say this, Carter is a better defender than Hedo and better off the dribble. He’s not better setting his teammates up off the dribble, but assuming Pietrus and Jameer are healthy, that may not be as big a deal. And with the many close games Orlando played in the post-season, I like Carter in the role of the closer more than Hedo. Hedo needed to hit the shot, while Carter could just as easily draw the foul.
Of the big trades in our conference, the Orlando one seems far more impactful than Shaq to the Cavs.
jerrywest
June 26th, 2009
11:39 am
Tork will dry up the market for Marvin
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
11:42 am
I definitely don’t think you’re giving Hedo enough credit on D…either that or you’re giving Vince too much.
Hedo’s a different kind of defender than Vince anyway, since Hedo can guard the 3 and the 4 instead of the 2 and the 3. Considering that the Magic already have Pietrus to play D on the opposing 2/3 as needed, I’d rather have Hedo’s defense than Vince’s if I’m the Magic.
As for end-of-game situations, again it’s “different” rather than better or worse. Hedo’s height means he can shoot over the defense a la Larry Bird while Vince can create his own shot better a la Michael Jordan. Neither is as good of those guys, obviously, but you get my point.
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
11:49 am
Did yall hear about Rubio’s Dad wanting Rubio to return to spain because of Minn. also drafting jonny flynn? They better trade one of those players.
Big Ray
June 26th, 2009
11:52 am
From HoopsWorld, where they label us draft day winners:
ATLANTA HAWKS: Hey, when’s the last time you could say that the Hawks were considered winners on draft night?!?!?!?!?! Yes, the same Hawks that passed on Chris Paul and Deron Williams to take Marvin Williams and took Shelden Williams instead of Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay and Rajon Rondo actually got this one right. Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague is smart, strong and tough. He isn’t extremely flashy, but he’ll play in the NBA for the next 10 years. And Atlanta’s willingness to take on Jamal Crawford’s contract takes the burden off the franchise to overpay for Mike Bibby in free agency next week.
Big Ray
June 26th, 2009
12:03 pm
Well, Law was supposed to be our pg of the future, but he turned out not to be. Pass the blame where you please.
Here’s the deal: you’re not guaranteed to get any free agent as your pg of the future, so it’s not a bad idea to draft one just in case.
For those who are still mad about the pick, tell me who would have been a better pick, and why? Just asking.
I seem to recall a lot of condescending talk about “whoever we get at #19 won’t likely be a rotational player.” Well, why are you crying in your straw-strewn milk? STFU. Why whine now about somebody you predicted won’t get any PT anyway? Surely that gives them time to develop, right? Geez, some people…
Randy
June 26th, 2009
12:04 pm
I beleive Teague was a good pick, but I fear any young point being handled by Woody. Acie Law got nowhere under Woody and I hope it isn’t the same with Teague. The only comfort I have is that Law spent a lot of time injured which retarded his progress. BJ Mullens would have been interesting but I don’t think the Hawks want to wait on potential anymore.
Grip
June 26th, 2009
12:14 pm
If Crawford is your guy then common sense says take a traditional PG who will pass the ball!!! Eric Maynor would have been a pick that made more sense. Rick Sund and company are a joke!!! I just heard him on the radio say that he thought that Maynor was more of a 2 guard, that dude does not have a clue!! This is what he should have done. Sign Andre Miller, he will play for less than Crawford, bring Flip Back,probably around 3.5- 5.0 million, Sign Pachullia and or David Anderson, trade Josh or Marvin and speedy and throw in Acie Law, for Marcus Camby.I love Josh Smith but either he or Horford has to go, Marvin is to young to be that injury prone. Bring back Childress, he will play for less than Marvin and a much better defender.
We would look like this.
PG’s Andre Miller,Eric Maynor 2G Joe Johnson,Flip, SF J. Chills, Mo Evans, PF Al Horford,David Anderson, C Marcus Camby, Zaza Pachullia keep Mario and Solo they are really cheap, this team is cheaper and much bigger than the one we have, Do not get caught up on what you get for Josh Smith or Marvin Look at what you have now,I am dreaming but the math works on these moves, and guess what I did not get ANYTHING for Marvin in this scenario!!! Let’s say you keep him, well trade the rights to him and get a pick for next year when the draft will really be strong or a big. Josh Chills and David Anderson are right under your nose, someone please tell Rick Sund to SNIFF
Big Ray
June 26th, 2009
12:21 pm
I don’t believe that Orlando traded for Vince to get better, anymore than I believe we traded for Crawford to get better.
Orlando did that to help recoup for the emminent possibility of Hedo’s exit, just as we did to recoup for the same possible exit of Bibby. Not only that, but both teams did so to also help themselves negotiate from a position of strength.
Orlando knows Hedo is going to get some love out there, regardless of the economic woes everybody is experiencing. Same for Bibby, whether you believe it or not. You cannot have it both ways. You can’t think the world of a guy you have, and believe that nobody else wants him. It doesn’t work that way. Either he has value, or he doesn’t.
You also don’t want to be in a position of having to pay the guy whatever he wants, just so that you have somebody decent. No team wants to be in that position when negotiations ensue.
Part of our collective problem is that we’ve been without a decent pg for so long that we think the first one we come across is the ONLY one. I never have and never will deny the effect that Bibby has had on this team. He has been great on offense, and has provided leadership where others have not (including those presently on the roster). But it’s not like we were going to compete for, much less win, an NBA championship with him. I think we’d all agree that some much more potent player is needed for that to happen, or at least a couple of very, very good players.
We didn’t acquire Jamal Crawford to take a step forward. We didn’t trade for him to simply replace Bibby. Don’t you think if his value were higher that we’d have paid more for him? We took him so that we don’t HAVE to overpay the only decent pg we’ve had in years. We took him so that if negotiations go south on us, we’re not at a total loss, and can still compete. So that we’re not trying to catch somebody who is about to get on a plane for Russia, or some other part of Europe. It was a smart move.
Orlando did the same thing. They won’t get a replacement for Hedo if he goes. But with Vince Carter, they DO at least get a 20-point scorer who can and will take (and make) the big shots in tight spots in any and all games.
One more time. If you thought Bibby was going to lead us to the promised land, you were wrong. What he could do was help. But what we needed to get there? That is something else entirely. Besides, in a couple of years, Bibby would be a good bit less help than he is now. Now Woody might think he can’t make do without Bibby. But if that’s the case, then he should quit his job now. Players aren’t good or great forever, and they also don’t play forever. The break was going to have to be made sooner or later, and some new blood was going to have to come in sooner or later. Get the hell over it. A head coach ought to know better.
I’ll bet Jerry Sloan cried in his pillow the day John Stockton finally hung up his hi-tops. But he got back up and went to work the very next day. If he hadn’t, where would he be? Now he coaches Deron Williams, another damn fine pg. Woody better take a page from that book. If you don’t like tears in your milk, you can either stop drinking milk or stop crying, one or the other.
Having said all that, there is still no guarantee that Bibby is NOT in a Hawks uniform next season. And for all the chatter about that, he still can do nothing for our defense or our rebounding. That’s another story altogether, and if he is re-signed, you can then worry about where we’ll get the money to pay for the bigs some people “suddenly” are realizing we need. Strange how we didn’t need them before.
I thought playing with energy solved everything.
Big Ray
June 26th, 2009
12:23 pm
On a side note, I like Eric Maynor. But I’m not sure he would have fared any better than Law under Woody, or in this system. I think he is more suited to playing half court offense than Teague. He may be a better defender. I couldn’t say for certain that he would have been a better fit. Nothing against him, I just can’t quite justify him being a better pick.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:33 pm
Memphis should make O.J Mayo the PG Start Q-Rich at the SG, and Rudy at SF, Marc Gasol at PF, and Hasheem Thabeet at C……
What a stupid trade by NY though…..they could’ve gott more for Q-Rich but I guess they’re trying to rebuild while shaving salary….
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:40 pm
Ray, do you like flip?
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
12:44 pm
Great post Ray….
doc
June 26th, 2009
12:54 pm
ah men ray, the pint is woody doesnt want a traditional point guard but one that can score. me i liked maynor but like acie i think he would not have “gotten” woody’s system and ended up not playing. so i like teague as he is and a better fit for what woody will want. he is still our coach.
yup, let us worry about point guard’s after we get a layer or two to defend and rebound the rock.
cp
June 26th, 2009
12:54 pm
The flip flopping on this blog is pure comedy. Like ray said, first people were saying how the 19th pick wouldn’t get much time but now have a problem with a pick they say would not contribute anyway. We got a guy that some feel should have been a lottery pick. Watching NBA TV the other day the scout was saying that Teague could very well end up being the best pg from this class because of his skills. I really don’t know what some were expecting with the 19th pick in a draft many considered weak. And I’m lol at the guy who said we should have taken the traditional pg in Maynor then turns around and says we should sign Andre Miller then play Maynor at the sg. Lolllll. Some guys on here just wont be pleased regardless of the moves we make.
Clyde
June 26th, 2009
12:57 pm
I like Teague but our weakness is still in the middle. This is the fifth draft in a row we have ignored it. I guess we have to just hope and pray Horford transforms into a defensive stopper next year.
roan st
June 26th, 2009
1:12 pm
Ray, I think Woody better do a better job trying to develop the young PG this time around. Not only is he in the last year of his contract but I doubt Sund is going to take the fall for making a draft mistake if teague goes the way of law. I don’t see Woody winning the war of attrition against another GM. I seriously doubt Sund will stand before the ASG saying I blew the Teague pick. Nope. He is going to say this Woody cat can’t seem to develop a young PG and we need to find someone who can.
As far as Bibby goes I think the Hawks have done a super job of creating leverage. And I believe they have a good chance of re-signning Bibby because I just don’t think the market for his services are as good with the economy in bad shape. During the draft last night van gundy made several smirk remarks about teams trying to operate on the cheap. That was one of the theories on why teams in the 20’s starting picking these foreign players instead of guys like blair, young, summers, etc. They can store them overseas and not pay them the gauranteed money that first rounders normally get. At 32 and with some past injury issues I just don’t see many teams forking over 10 million per year to Bibby. I could be wrong and I’ll be the first to admit it but I just don’t see it.
I MUS.WRITE
June 26th, 2009
1:18 pm
!0 million a year is not bad for Turkoglu…… I would definitely like him over Marvin only problem is if we give him 3 0r 4 years at that price either JJ or Horford is gone. Turkoglu and risign ZAZA. He would be a good fit because our Pg’s are really glorified Sg’s so he could be our point forward -U cant leave this guy becuz of him range -which would open up space for JJ to work JUST DO IT
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
1:19 pm
Ray, I’ll assume that you were speaking to me. Opinions are based on the information at hand. Once we traded for a $10M player, I immediately asked about our ability to sign free agents. And with that doubt in mind, #19 immediately became someone who could potentially be forced to contribute immediately. I also previously said that if we are in a posisiton where #19 is getting a lot of playing time, that likely means that we’re in trouble.
Well, we now have 7 players with salaries equaling 70% of last year’s $65M payroll. So that could suggest that #19’s value to this team next season has increased. Or, maybe Sund will field a competitive team without #19 having to produce at a high level to get us back in the playoffs. I’m pulling for him to make that happen.
Lastly, I’m hopeful that Sund’s evaluation of the team last year results in him addressing the perceived weaknesses of the team. If anyone feels like the acquisition of Crawford, Teague or Galdyr addresses a team need, I’m interested in hearing that viewpoint. Because I’m much to dumb (or blind) to recognize what pot-hole has been repaired. Is Sund done? Of course not. Can I wait until September to evaluate his off-season? Sure. But few waited until 82 games were in the book to evaluate players and coaches during the ‘08-’09 season. So why can’t I also enjoy some “work-in-progress” grading? What’s good for the goose is calling the kettle black (or something like that).
Stating the Obvious
June 26th, 2009
1:19 pm
I guess Clyde was the little devil on Sund’s shoulder saying “Taaaaaaaaaaaaake Muuuuuulllllllleens. Taaaaaaaaake Muuuuuuuuulllllllens.”
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:20 pm
We can’t get Hedo, folks. We’re over the cap.
doc
June 26th, 2009
1:23 pm
dad gummit nire, there you go spoiling the party with details again!
can you explain how it is we are over it so early and have no players signed?
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
1:30 pm
Sund did the smart thing and stuck to his talent, which is aquiring good Guards. He avoided drafting a Big so I was pleased. I’m just mad we didn’t move down a couple of spots and draft Danny Green…..we were so close……I hate cleveland.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:38 pm
Cap holds, Doc. I went over this a couple weeks back, but I guess you were still on vacation
The short version of the story is that we have $44M devoted to players under contract now (counting Teague). The mid-level exception will be around $5.7M, and that provides an automatic cap hold. The cap will be in the $55-58M range. Assuming we make a qualifying offer to Marvin (and we’d be retarded not to, since otherwise we could lose him for nothing), he’ll have a cap hold worth of around $13M. The same would be true if we made a qualifying offer to Chills (cap hold of around $10M) or refused to renounce our Bird rights in Bibby or Zaza.
So basically, if we renounced Marvin, Bibby, Childress, and Zaza AND renounced our ability to use the mid-level exception, we’d be far enough under the cap to make a run at Hedo (since he’ll command at least $8M/yr on the free agent market). Otherwise, nope.
Again, we have our $5.7M mid-level exception and our $2M biannual exception to work with this summer for signing free agents. That’s it, that’s all.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
1:38 pm
nire, I assume it is about cap holds (in addition to the $45M in real salaries). And the salary cap is around $52M? There is a rather large cushion between the salary cap and the luxury threshold. But once you pass the salary cap, then you can only use your MLE to sign a player (do they still have that smaller exemption, the one around $1.8M?). I’m I directionally correct?
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:39 pm
And PS – we can’t combine those exceptions to sign one player.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
1:40 pm
Cool, I was directionally correct. Nice to know that I still have the capacity to learn (some things).
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:40 pm
And before everyone moans and groans about this being poor asset management, keep in mind that 26 of 30 NBA teams are in the same boat as we are.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:41 pm
Yup Joe, you got it
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:46 pm
Oh, forgot one important thing – there’s another non-waivable cap hold at the amount of the minimum rookie salary for 6 players since we only have 6 players under contract. That comes out to around $3M. So our “starting point” for salary cap purposes is $47M – and again, that’s assuming we renounce all our free agents and all our exceptions. And keep in mind that even if we did that and used all our remaining cap space to sign Hedo, we would not be able to sign ANY players for more than the minimum salary since we would have no cap space left (and since we would have renounced our exceptions).
So again I say: We have our ~$5.7M mid-level (which can be split among multiple players if necessary) and our ~$1.8M biannual exception (which can’t) to sign other team’s free agents. And that’s ALL we have.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
1:46 pm
nire, but are those 25 other teams over the cap with only 6 players on the roster (7 if Marvin goes the QO route)?
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:51 pm
Joe,
Uh, your question doesn’t really make any sense. Most teams are going into next year well over the cap with 8-10 guys under contract. So if your point is “boy, we’re sure spending a lot per player,” that’s not really true. We’re spending about the average per-player among playoff teams.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
1:59 pm
OK, but nire, two of those players are #19 and RandMo. Oops, I keep forgetting about Mo Evans (he is so forgettable), so we do have 7 guys currently under contract… Joe, Jamal, Josh, Al, Mo, RandMo & #19. Still, spending the average of other playoff teams with 1 of seven being a 2-year college rookie and the other a wish sandwich (RandMo) just doesn’t help me feel optimistic. A least Teague should have a pretty good shot at earning playing time in his rookie season. I know that will make some (see Sautee, I said some) bloggers very happy.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
2:01 pm
And when the team starts out 6-14, Woody will get fired and that too will make some bloggers happy (the fire Woody part not the record part). Is that an acceptable expression of that opinion, Sautee?
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm
Enter your comments hereWhy do free agents continue to count against a team’s cap?
It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams’ free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It doesn’t close this loophole completely — for example, in 2005 Michael Redd’s free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:03 pm
Why do free agents continue to count against a team’s cap?
It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams’ free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It doesn’t close this loophole completely — for example, in 2005 Michael Redd’s free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:09 pm
Why do free agents continue to count against a team’s cap?
It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams’ free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It doesn’t close this loophole completely – for example, in 2005 Michael Redd’s free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
2:11 pm
Anakin Joe,
Check the rosters of the playoff teams, man. Everyone has a couple scrubs. NBA payrolls are top-heavy.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
2:11 pm
Ariose,
Thanks for the FAQ bit, but I don’t think it was so important that it needed to be said THREE TIMES
STRETCH
June 26th, 2009
2:12 pm
Here’s the scoop on the 2nd rounder:
Sergiy Gladyr
MBC Mykolaiv (Ukraine)
6-5 shooting guard
19 Years Old
On Tuesday we took a detailed look at Euro prospect Jonas Jerebko, today we take a look at another Euro, Ukraine’s Sergiy Gladyr. Gladyr is a 6-5 shooting guard with nice athletic ability, who was the second leading scorer on MBC Mykolaiv of the Ukrainian League. Sergiy averaged 15.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, & 1.5 spg in 29 mins. a game in the Ukraine.
Sergiy is currently projected as a 2nd round prospect, and possibly could have been a 1st-rounder if he had more exposure. Didn’t get to see Gladyr play quite as much as I did with Jerebko, so realize this analysis is based on a small sample size.
What makes Gladyr intriguing is his shooting–he’s one of the better pure shooters in the draft. His shooting numbers are not overwhelming (36% from 3pt), but he clearly has a sweet-shooting stroke. As opposed to Jerebko, does a great job getting his legs into the shot and shows great balance on his jumper.
Only 19 years old but already shows the ability to drill shots coming off screens. A few times where he pulled the trigger in triple-threat position with a defender in his grill. Overall quick release on his shot. Seems pretty confident in his abilities.
He’s not strictly a shooter thanks to his athleticism and good ball-handling. Pretty nice handle where he loves to use his left hand, and has an effective crossover dribble. Looked comfortable playing off the dribble, and showcased solid finishing ability.
Did have some issues when trapped on pick/rolls which led to a handful of turnovers; had some issues in general when a second defender approached him. Seemed to be a little careless with the ball sometimes. Solid rebounder for a 2-guard.
Sergiy is a pretty good athlete by Ukrainian League standards, but how he rates as a NBA athlete is hard to gauge. If he was a Top 10 scorer in the ACB (Spain) or Italy then I’d feel more assured of his potential. But the Ukrainian League is a considerable step down from those domestic leagues. Though, Draft Express said Gladyr’s athleticism appears pretty good at the Euro Reebok Camp, so that’s encouraging for his NBA future.
Could very well turn into a 2nd-round steal if his athleticism can transfer over, because he might have the most polished offensive skill-set of any 2-guard in the Draft after James Harden.
doc
June 26th, 2009
2:15 pm
ok nire you are a lawyer, in theory, where are the loop holes we can maneuver around to get the deal done? next question is who out there fits this description and do we renounce someone to make room and is that important to do now vs. later? who gets us there quickest to renounce and are they a true asset?
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:29 pm
oops, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUlagns6f8
Here’s Syrgwey Bladder….If he comes over, does that mean we’ll be trading Mo+Randolph for a big?
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
2:33 pm
Doc,
Give it up. There’s no loopholes that would enable to clear the cap space necessary to get Hedo. I gave you all the reasons why in my last few posts. If you can’t accept that, sorry.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
2:35 pm
This was posted by a ukyanina person on the Hawks official website blog. They say he’s very good and should be a good player for the Hawks.
Hoops
June 26th, 2009
2:39 pm
Gladyr would be a good back up for Marvin. Why not bring him over now and give him a chance to make the team?
bigdave
June 26th, 2009
3:20 pm
lets just pray Turk doesnt end up in Cleveland… they need one more piece… someone who can guard the PF’s who stretch the floor…
STRETCH
June 26th, 2009
3:24 pm
Wow…wouldnt that be something if Turk ended up in Cleveland?!! Lets hope that doesnt happen.
But the main thing that bothers me is NO big man! I know that bigs are hard to come by these days but what even more troubling is that I have NOT even heard any rumors or offers/deals coming from the front office.
Horford is a really good player and he’s going to get better but, he can NOT do it ALONE down in the trenches….where’s the help????
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
3:26 pm
bigdave,
Cleveland can’t sign Turk either, unless it was in a sign-and-trade – like us, they don’t have any cap space to play with. And since Turk is unrestricted, a sign-and-trade involving him is highly unlikely.
J-MAN
June 26th, 2009
3:38 pm
Al horford is a POWER FORWARD!!! get him a center to help him out
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
3:43 pm
Im pretty sure this is a stupid question, but can you bring over a european player you just drafted?
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
3:52 pm
G-Man,
Yes. But teams rarely do unless they’re sure that they’ll make the playing rotation right away, since it usually stunts their development to have them riding the pine in the NBA instead of being a featured player overseas.
Melvin
June 26th, 2009
3:55 pm
Ok, wishful thinking but I will throw this idea out there.
Consider the GS/Phx trade goes thru: Amare for Stephen Curry, Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli.
I wonder if we could package Chills/Mo/Randmo/etc for Biedrins. Keep in mind, Phx was one of the teams that wanted Chills and there’s talk Phx may send Big Ben to the Hornets for Tyson. So maybe they prefer not to pay $20 mil on two centers… Just a thought. What do yall think???
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
4:02 pm
i’m sayin’ though, Bladder wouldn’t have made the trip all the way out here if he wanted to go back and play overseas. Besides the Ukryane leauge???? He’s not gonna get any better playing against that competition over there. We might as well bring him over now……unless Sund doesn’t want him exposed to Woodson(toxic) because he won’t be our Head Coach after next season….Aha!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
4:03 pm
I know that we would have to wait, but, would you trade Crawford, Evans and RandMo (to help the salaries match) for 1 year of Ilgauskas and Delonte West? It would give the Cavs a 2-headed SG combo with good size when playing against Vince and Ray Allen.
If Sund could make thathappen (I know, just a fantasy), it would be like trading Speedy, Law and Evans for a starting center and PG.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
4:06 pm
Melvin, yeah. That may just work. Grant Hill is an Unrestricted Free Agent and he’s chasing a title….
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
4:07 pm
Melvin, your trade is far better than my trade. And I would do the same trade for Chandler (and honestly, Phoenix would likely trade Chandler before moving Biedrins).
Melvin
June 26th, 2009
4:10 pm
Either (Chandler or Biedrins) would be find with me Anakin…
Melvin
June 26th, 2009
4:12 pm
Ariose,
Maybe they let the 2nd round guy (who will need a nickname once in a Hawk uni) play in the summmer league before shipping him back across seas….lol
Melvin
June 26th, 2009
4:13 pm
Anakin,
Give it up. Crawford is here to stay. Tell Mario to give that #6 jersey up….
M45
June 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
Starting lineup
1.Mike Bibby PG – needs to be resigned because Jamal Crawford is not the traditional PG.
2.Jamal Crawford SG – He is a scorer not the Pg we need for runing our running offence.
3.Joe Johnson SF
4.Josh Smith PF
5.Al Horford C
Bench Key players
1.Marvin Williams – if resigned will help off bench.
2.Flip Murray – if resign
3.Mo Evans
4.Jeff teague
Needs another big man
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Why did the Hawks sign RandMo to a 2 year deal? He is never going to play any significant minutes anyway.
The Hawks should send their 2nd round pick back overseas, because would he be any better than Thomas Gardner? i dont think so. Gardner is a good shooter too (6′5″, 220), and he has already been exposed to Woody’s system. Although since we have Crawford, we probably dont even need Gardner anymore.
Lets get Jack, and then spend the remaining money on Zaza and another big.
Chills would be good coming off the bench because he doesnt need the ball. However, we need PF more.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
4:39 pm
melvin, lol. That makes sense too hehehe…
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
4:43 pm
b/c Mo(sort of…) sucks; besides Bladder is 19 and has already beasted all over that league in the ukryane. How much more significant development can be had for him over there? Get him over here so he can become a beast……besides, we have roster spots to fill….oh yeah Gerald Green!!! lol…
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
4:47 pm
Thats no different from Gardner, or Acie Averaging 18ppg in college(or pre-season/summer leauge)…..gotta get him some prime time action!!!!
south ga boy
June 26th, 2009
5:06 pm
have a ? for u cap-ologist. if u take bibby & marvin off the books ur removing 18-19 mil of salary. (stay with me) if marvin, & a future pick if neccesary, could be traded for a starting (not an all star but servicable) 5 that would cost 10 mil a yr, then use some of the extra to re-sign flip (with a nice raise, who was the biggest bargain in the nba at 1.5 mil per), and za za. Leaving a little left over to put toward a long term deal for joe. I believe we have our pg of the future now, and flip or crawford could be a decent pg for the near future. i know that would not be perfect, but we must have a true 5 to compete with clev, orl, & boston, especially with shaq coming back east. with a true 5, al & jsmoove at both forwards we would have the post presence to compete with those teams, and the outside shooters, also. experts, what do u think. help a white brotha out.
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
5:11 pm
I don’t think Sund was done with Sene. Maybe we are going to trade Morris and Mo for Sene and swap of our first round picks.
I MUS.WRITE
June 26th, 2009
5:11 pm
Nir- you dont work in the front office – so stop……. If the guy wants 10 milli it would be wise to get him at that price. HMMMMM Bibby made 15 zaza 4mil thats 19 milli -I dont know all the rules but thats a difference of 9 mill
Besides with all the player swappn for cash considerations ” ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE” Gasol to the lakers for a snickers and a coke.
Sign and Trade Marvin for Bedrinis
bigdave
June 26th, 2009
5:11 pm
i doubt Amare is going to GS now… they are not looking to trade Curry… and PHX wants Curry in that deal… Beidrins and Curry is a lot to give up for Amare for 1yr. however, Monta/Curry/Jacko/Beidrins is something to work with… Curry will be in paradise out there in 3 pt happy Oakland… that deal hit a wall after Curry got past the dummies in Minny…
Amare definitely is on the move but the destination is still unclear…
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
5:16 pm
We could always trade Joe Johnson
For Kevin durant, Earl Watson, and Nenad Kristic. We would probably have to throw in some first round picks. but the Thunder would be down they get bird years and cap space 2010 and draft picks.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
6:12 pm
I MUS,
We were $10M over the cap this past year, and the cap hold rules mean that we’ll be over the cap for free agent/trade purposes this summer. You don’t have to work in the front office to understand that we don’t have cap space, man.
A Tribe Called Quest
June 26th, 2009
6:25 pm
Why do my posts never go through?
Basically, I said that Jamal solidifies us as the #4, but we need to make another move in order to compete with the top 3.
So I propose trading Smoove, Chillz’s rights, and a protected 1st rder for Bosh or Amare. PHX sucks, they have an awful owner, awful GM, so let’s take advantage and put this nice offer together. Smoove is an athletic specimen, but CANNOT shoot, dribble (OMG), post moves suck (he is out of control and can’t get off a hook shot), and his MAN DEFENSE is greatly overrated.
We all love the hometown hero, but have got to get Bosh or Amare (legit superstars & post presences) if we are to compete these next few years
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
6:31 pm
It’s not the perfect analogy, but here is a way for all the un-cap folks to think about the cap.
You have a household budget of about 58 mil for your players. If you go over that, there are lots of bankers, league officials, union folks, and lawyers, etc that get involved with how you spend your money.
If you go over 71 mil, the judge comes in and has additional laws.
When you say we are under the 58 mil, that is true, but your household doesn’t have the basics required by the league. You cannot spend 55 mil on beer and not have a place to put it. The league makes sure that you put the money in basic buckets. The minimum you must spend, how many buckets (players), and things like that.
Just because you overspent on Bibby last year, they will not allow you to overspend on anyone new this year. Yes you can overspend on your real peeps (i.e. guys that have been with you for 3 years or more), but no wild spending on guys you have not been hanging with unless you show you have fiscal responsibility.
The Turkoglu thing is not impossible, just extremely unlikely.
BWAF
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
6:33 pm
I saw a rumor last night that Amare is likely to go to Golden State. Not that we cannot get in that mix, but I don’t know that it is an easy party to crash when you have few players under contract to use as trade options.
BWAF
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
6:34 pm
http://www.nba.com/video/teams/hawks/2009/06/26/JeffTeagueInterview.nba/
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
6:49 pm
One thing is for sure, Mike Bibby will be the LAST guy signed. i’ll list this from order of importance:
1) Zaza- we’d be scrwed without him
2) Marvin- we don’t have another TRUE SF(Danny Green…dammit!)on the roster…..Gerald Green??? 800K????
3) Solo-cheap insurance policy + there are no good “centers” on the market. Always delivers when called upon and given the oppourtunity.
4) Flip- Perfict fit in this system. Can play AND DEFEND both guard spots ulike bibby. Can create off the dirbble( VERY important in this offence and against tough defensive squads like Boston). And he ALWAYS knows when to push the tempo…very good finisher on the break too.
5) Bibby-Can’t Dribble or Create his own shot, and he’s not a good defender…..but dammit he’s a winner and his squads win…..don’t know how but he makes teams better….as long as it’s not over 5mill per i’m fine with him.
Hoops
June 26th, 2009
6:52 pm
Manny T,
Good anology! There are alot of things that I would like to have in my life, but I have to stay within my budget and be happy with what I have and also, make the most of what I have. I may be able to get those things later, but I can’t afford them right now.
The Hawks are the same. There are alot of players that we would like to have, but we have to be able to afford what we sign.
hhmmm
June 26th, 2009
6:54 pm
sign your free agents, add Camby and Childress and this is the deepest team in the league. The possibilities are mind blowing.
doc
June 26th, 2009
7:13 pm
melvin if your trade proposal includes crawford i think there is a rule that says you have to keep him a certain amount of time … like into december.
thanks nire, just seeing if someone cold come up with a devious way to get more credit as that is how this nation works on debt er i meant credit.
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
7:26 pm
doc,
how come oberto got shipped for amir johnson right after the spurs and bucks trade went down?
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
7:38 pm
G-Man, you can trade a single player who was recently acquired but you can’t package that player with another in a move. So Milwaukee was not able to trade Oberto AND someone like Ridnour for a player. They could only move Oberto by himself or Bowen by himself or Kurt Thomas by himself. I don’t remember how many days they need to rest before they can be combined with other players. I think it is 30 days, but I’m not sure.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
7:42 pm
It looks like it is 60 days before they can be combined.
Ariose
June 26th, 2009
8:40 pm
Somthing tells me that Tayshaun Prince is going to be involved in a s&t deal with Chicago for Ben Gordon so he can get the kind of money he wants. That would explain the pistons drafting THREE small forwards last night. Could this spell the end for Leuol Deng? or just an insurance policy since he’s constantly injured???
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
8:52 pm
Ariose, but I thought the Pistons are under (way under) the salary cap. I think they should be able to secure Gordon, of course, that assumes they can close the negotiations. I doubt that Dumars will give him $15M, even if he can afford to do so. Rumor has it that Rip and Michael Curry clashed during the season… so he may be the next to go (before or with Tayshaun).
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
9:12 pm
Congratulations to Josh Smith for being selected to participate with the USA Basketball team. Hopefully this will propel him to another level after having a chance to spend time with the league’s elite young players.
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Josh_Smith_To_Participate_In_Team_USA_062509.html
I was a little surprised to see Tyrone Corbin on the staff. That’s great. Hopefully this will put him on some short lists for coaching jobs in the next year or two.
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
9:45 pm
Nice job Joe Johnson.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2009/06/26/hawks_jeff_teague.html
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
9:52 pm
doc, there is always a loophole. The problem that the Hawks face is the small number of players that are actually under contract.
In the Crawford deal, we picked up a 2 mil increase in total salary. You can do deals like that as long as you have players to move. That’s part of how the Knicks got so far over the cap a few years back.
Give Bibby a large enough salary on a 1 year deal that he can be traded for Zach Randolph. The Clips would take that deal in a minute even if Bibby decided that he only wanted to be a professional eater this summer instead of a NBA player. Your salary line keeps moving up. The bad news is that you end up in luxury tax land. The good news is that you have contracts to work at almost every level for a deal.
BWAF
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
“I’m not knocking Acie Law in any way shape or form,” Woodson said. “But this kid [Teague] is what I’d call a true point guard. I gave Acie some opportunities, and it just didn’t work. That’s no knock on him as a player or me as a coach. Injuries probably hurt Acie the two years he was here, and honestly we just didn’t have the luxury of waiting on him when he first got here. We had to win.
This tells me there were personal conflicts b/w law and woodson. It also tells woody has no idea what a pg is b/c teague is not a pg yet anyway.
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
AJ, that’s the kind of leadership that Joe can provide. I would rather he create a positive culture while being himself, than try to be someone else, barking out instructions on the court.
You have to lead with your strong skills, not somebody else’s strong skills.
Funny to see Woody gently place AC under the bus as he brings Teague into the fold. I hope AC shows his NBA skills next year in the west.
And here is the list of rules on when you cannot trade a player. It includes the detail on how long you have to hold on to a player that a team has recently picked up.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q85
BWAF
ant banks
June 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
regardless of who the hawks add, they will are in a 4way tie for the 4th seed: 1.clev 2.orlando 3.boston 4.Hawks, Philly, Chicago, Miami.
we will definitely make the playoffs again, thereby solidyfin’ woody’s existence as coach. woody will get a 2yr extenstion for takin’ the hawks to playoffs 3times!!
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
AJoe,
Keep in mind that that’s the “Select” team that scrimmages against Team USA, not the national team itself. That’s why Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer on the roster
Good for him and the other participants, though. If nothing else, it’s always good to have time playing against the best. I think Horford was on the same team last year.
The Truth
June 26th, 2009
10:20 pm
G-Man
You didn’t translate Woody comments correctly. Let me translate it for you:
“I’m not knocking Acie Law in any way shape or form,” Woodson said. “But this kid [Teague] is what I’d call a true point guard. I gave Acie some opportunities, and it just didn’t work. That’s no knock on him as a player or me as a coach. Injuries probably hurt Acie the two years he was here, and honestly we just didn’t have the luxury of waiting on him when he first got here. We had to win”.
Translation:
If I played Acie and we didn’t advance to the 2nd round, MY AZZ WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED!!!
Anakin Joe
June 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
Nire, I understood that Smith was participating with the “junior varsity” but its still an honor. And as I understand it, future “varsity” teams will come from the junior squad.
The player who surprised me the most was DJ Augustin. He had flashes of having a nice little game… but I didn’t expect to see him with the rest of those junior varsity players.
doc
June 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
thanks to manny t and astro for clarification. the rule i was thinking of was for free agents signed, i thought it applied to everyone acquired.
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
10:33 pm
I cant believe what woody said about acie thats that bull crap in witch woody never devolop him as a player nor have he devolop solo and it hurt him in the playoffs with his lack of coaching in devoloping his bench during the year and playing joe 48min a game until he cant walk no more thats a poor excuse for a coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
10:36 pm
Woody better bring his A game this year or he will be gone by allstar break because rick sund is not wasting any time on his a$$.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
10:40 pm
IF woody wants to succeed as a coach he better hire him a off. coordinator this year so joe want be dribbling the ball 20seconds of the 24second shot clock.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
10:44 pm
Woody should not have said that about Acie. All he had to say, was Acie didnt work for different reasons, including injuries, but he is looking forward to working with Teague. You dont have to bring somebody down just to lift somebody up.
And I disagree that Acie is not a true PG. He won the Bob Cousy award for the best PG in college for crying out loud. Everytime he was in the game, he was driving and dishing, and defending his position. His biggest weakness was knocking down shots. And if I’m not mistaken, thats also Rondo’s biggest weakness.
Does anybody have Woody’s comments when Acie was drafted? It would be interesting to compare his statements then and his statesments then.
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
10:45 pm
compare his statements then and his statements now.
RJ
June 26th, 2009
10:50 pm
I like how Woody says “this is not a knock on Acie” then proceeds to throw him under the bus. LOL. Woody is a piece of crap.
The Truth
June 26th, 2009
10:57 pm
There is a cliché that says it is better to keep your mouth close and have people wondering about you than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. We all suspected Woody is an AZZ; he just opened his mouth and proved it.
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
11:06 pm
Hey this is kind of random, but do yall know if teague has a twitter, facebook, or myspace?
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
11:15 pm
What in the world i just heard amire for josh hell no see this that bull crap i be talking about once you feel good about the hawks next you scratching your head.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
11:24 pm
Now rick sund is talking about trading josh for stoudemire thats why woody should have been fired and brought in avery to coach this team you dont trade a player who only 23 years of age and so much potential i gurantee if the hawks trade josh it will set this franchise back.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Harry Hawk
June 26th, 2009
11:26 pm
Woody is basically saying that he doesn’t have to win now. Teague, the true PG that Acie never was, can play and it doesn’t matter. After all, Woody has the job security that comes from having no contract in 2010-11.
Wait.
This guy is an idiot. Teague, get ready to rock the warmup suit.
darrell starks
June 26th, 2009
11:29 pm
I would rather trade horford and marvin than josh for stoudemire.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
G-Man
June 26th, 2009
11:50 pm
where are yall hearing about this trade?
darrell starks
June 27th, 2009
12:07 am
JUST heard on espn G MAN BUT IM WATCHING TVONE ON CHANNEL 71 ABOUT MICHAEL TURN TO IT ITS CRAZY HE IS THE KING OF ALL ARTIST PERIOD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
12:13 am
nowhere are they reporting Amare to the Hawks for anybody… just not seeing it…
Ken Strickland
June 27th, 2009
12:28 am
There seems to be a lot of disappoint and not enough thought being put into our 1st rd selection. Being rated better overall than another player doesn’t mean a thing if tha highest rated player doesn’t fit what the team needs. Woodson prefers PG’s that are superior shooters over PG’s that are superior passers and/or facilators. Teague was drafted by the Hawks because out of what was available, he was rated a better fit for what Woodson wanted. His value to the Hawks wasn’t based on where he was rated by so called experts from ESPN, Sporting News etc, or some outside organizations or individuals.
With the acquisition of Teague, Crawford, and our 2nd rd pick, we’ve increased our overall speed, quickness, athleticism, shooting ability and DEF. Now we need to seriously consider solidifying our frontline by resigning Marvin and Zaza. For those who think Solo might resign, I ask WHY WOULD HE. He knows for certain he’ll only get inconsistent mins and opportunity at best under Woodson. He certainly knows he stands a much better chance of getting the playing time he wants by going elsewhere, and maybe more money to boot. We need a frontline center off the bench that can handle heavy mins, like Zaza, because Woodson isn’t going to give consistent or extended mins to a #2 backup center.
Woodson desperately wants Bibby back. It was Bibby that kept him from being fired and got him his 1st contract extension. He wants him back so he can help him get a 2nd contract extension.
Look, Woodson will be the Hawks HC, so I’m all for getting him what he thinks he needs to be successful. What’s funny to me is Woodson and former GM BKnight had differing opinions on ALaw, and BK drafted him anyway. Woodson and current GM RSund obviously had differing opinions on JChildress’ value, and Sund wouldn’t seriously commit to resigning him.
Since Sund didn’t fire Woodson, or offer him a contract extension, he owes it to him to get what he needs to be as successful as possible in earning another contract extension. While I know we’d be a better team with a HC that’s more openminded, player friendly and less rigid, with the ability to install a system that takes maximum advantage of our talent, we’re stuck with what we have and need to make the best of it.
I.MUS WRITE
June 27th, 2009
12:44 am
“Look at all these rumors surrounding me every day” Wouldnt trade josh for Amre- but i would do a Marvin or Horfor + a future 1st – Woody should be more professional than that. if you have a beef with the guy just let it go the man is on another team for cry’n out loud…… Acie law has a fresh start but thingz couldt gtale at any moment…. nellie likes the gun slinger types Bdidy Morrow Monte
He’s basicly Marcus Williams part deux….
My god Buster Douglas is kill’n Mike Tyson on classic fights
I thin woody will give teague a fair chance tho mainly because he’ a scorer type pg.
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
12:47 am
MannyT,
Lol…don’t get Doc’s hopes up, man. You KNOW there aren’t loopholes for everything when it comes to the signing free agents when you’re anywhere in the vicinity of the cap. Trades? Possible. Signing other team’s free agents? No. They closed the loopholes after the Redd debacle.
And even with trades, keep in mind that the Hawks’ only real “cap filler” guy was Speedy, and we just traded him away. Now, our only non-BYC contracts are those of Horford (who isn’t going anywhere), JJ (probably same), Crawford (is another team really gonna want to pay him $20M over the next 2 years?), Mo, and RandMo. The latter two could be cap filler, but they only combine for $3.35M.
Chill and Marvin will be BYC, so any sign-and-trade involving them would be dicey. Marvin’s BYC figure is $5.6M, and my guess is he won’t agree to a S&T that starts at less than $7M. The lower BYC figure makes it pretty tough for us to include him in any package for an upgraded player without throwing Smoove, Horford, Crawford, or JJ in as well. Chill’s will be 50% of whatever contract he gets, which probably will mean the split would be ~$7M/$3.5M. That makes it damned near impossible to do a sign-and-trade involving him unless we package him with either Smoove or JJ. You can do the math on making things fit within the 125% rule if you don’t believe me on that – the big disparity between Chills’s BYC figure and what he’d probably get in any S&T makes it damned hard to make the salary numbers work unless he’s being packaged in a blockbuster-level deal.
That’s the thing that maybe gives me the most pause about the Crawford deal. We may not be done with signing new guys for the rest of the summer, but it made it damned hard for us to pull off any trades – especially since Crawford himself has an unattractive contract. Speedy was our big “cap filler” player that we could toss in to make salaries match up. In all likelihood, Sund now will have to be very, very smart about re-signing our own free agents and spending our mid-level exception. Because unless we’re planning to trade JJ, Horford, or Smoove, it’s going to be very tough to get any trades done.
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
12:51 am
Forgot to include Smoove in the “non-BYC” crowd, but his trade kicker has a BYC-esque effect unless he waives it…
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
12:52 am
And actually, now that I think about it, Smoove’s trade kicker will of course make it harder to package him in trades, so he won’t be any help. So remove his name wherever it appears in the third paragraph in my dissertation…
I.MUS WRITE
June 27th, 2009
12:54 am
My typing sux lol… to many guiness’es i guess……Burp……hahaha
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:00 am
Damn, Buster just gave Mike The Business lol…..classic
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
1:02 am
absolutely Ken Strickland…
Horford… no Smith…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I.MUS WRITE
June 27th, 2009
1:03 am
Nirmental – good info i feel enlightened……….. How do you know this stuff you do alot of research i suppose …Whats your profession sun -Either you’re a Pharmacist or married with alot of time on your hands.
Reggie
June 27th, 2009
1:06 am
Chris Broussard just reported on Sportscenter that the hawks are willing to part with Josh Smith for Amare Stoudemire!!!
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
1:06 am
THE NEW AGENT “0″ YA DIG…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybt537Q4ZOo
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
1:07 am
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
1:08 am
WHY WONT THEY TAKE HORFORD…!!! I WOULDNT DO IT… IM SORRY.. LOVE AMARE… BUT.. JOSH!! NAW….
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:11 am
Nire, I’m fine with what we have if we just sign everyone back. If we DO sign a UFA it will of couse be using our Mid-Level, but on who? Rasho??? I say we just bring Mike and everyone back, pray the front-line stays healthy, and try to deal zaza+Randolph for someone special next summer…..or sign Dirk lol….
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:18 am
BS. I’ll beat rick’s azz LITERALLY…let’s go guys. if this goes down meet me at phillips arena at 5:00am it’s goin’ down!!!!!
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:25 am
1) They can’t get this deal done b/c of Josh’s contract THANK GOD. Smoove WILL NOT let this happen. He won’t wave Shy’t he’s gettin every penny.
2) WE ALL KNOW PHEONIX HAS WANTED JOSH SMITH EVER SINCE THEY PUT AMARE ON THE MARKET. I BET THIS IS JUST A RUMOR PUT OUT THERE BY AMARE’S AGENTS TO GET RICK’S ATTENTION……NOT GONNA HAPPEN
3) HE DON’T PLAY ANY D, SMOOVE HAS OWNED HIS AZZ EVERYTIME THEY MATCHED UP. HE ONLY HAS ONE YER LEF ON HIS DEAL. HGE’S 28 AND HE HAS TWO KNEES BEING HELD TOGETHR WITH DUCK-TAPE AND A BUM EYE.
4) AMARE AND HIS AGANTS CAN SHOVE THAT RUMOR RIGHT BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM
5) SEEEEYYYYYKKKKOUUUUUUUU WHERE AAAARRREEEEE YOOOUUUUU!!!!!!
6)LOL…..
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:28 am
I.MUS, HE’S IN LAW SCHOOL….
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:35 am
I WAS JUST KIDDIN ABOUT THA 5AM THING THOUGH….
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
1:40 am
WE NEED TO SEND CHRIS BROUSSARD A NASTY E-MAIL FOR SPOUTING PHONY RUMORS THOUGH…..IT’S ALWAYS ESPN….UGH!!!1
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
1:48 am
Amare would sign a deal that keeps him here.. trust me.. he wants to be here.. stays on the nightlife scene… and this is on the regular…
http://atlantasroyalphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/7053918_SJRiV#462729847_4qjxv
dont want him to come down an F -UP… staying in the clubs and such… but maybe he wants to come down and win a ring..
i kinda jump ship with this deal now that it means Josh… Bosh yea.. but.. i dunno…
im kinda on a Rasheed Wallace now with what we have going on.. and Za Za
Heat Check
June 27th, 2009
2:04 am
Is Broussard serious??? Smoove to PHO is a possiblity? God, no. I’ve been checking ajc’s Hawk’s page for 4 and a half yrs just to see the headline that Woodson has been fired and tomorrow I might see that JOSH SMITH has been traded?? Ugh…Can’t Sund just fire this idiot already? Why are we building a team around a coach who can’t design a single offensive set? Dammit. Woodson must be thanking the devil for dropping that #3 pick on us in 2007 and for BK bringing Bibby in before he got the boot. The guy’s done nothing to bring this team from 13 to 47 besides fold his arms and shave his head……….and I hope Acie tears it up in GS…..
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
2:06 am
BIGDAVE ME TOO. SHEED ALL THE WAY+ZAZA…
A Tribe Called Quest
June 27th, 2009
2:06 am
“Jeff Teague has a different situation, and in some ways I think a better situation, in that we have a solid foundation of veterans here that he’ll be able to learn from and lean on.”
–Woodson
That pretty much means Bibby will play 40 mpg because he’s a vet and Teague can watch!
Woohoo
mykhalc
June 27th, 2009
2:28 am
WOODSON has ALWAYS been CLUELESS…now he’s f’n CLASSLESS!! he nevers has anythin’ worthwhile to say ON the court now it has carried over to off the court. WOODSON STFU!!!!
like i said…biggest winner draft nite…ACIE LAW!!!!
mykhalc
June 27th, 2009
2:30 am
gotta say i have been impressed with what i’ve seen in intervoews from Teague. seems like he’s pretty grounded young cat. got some ups too!!!
mykhalc
June 27th, 2009
2:30 am
s/b interviews
mykhalc
June 27th, 2009
2:35 am
technically i guess ACIE was the biggest winner the nite before the draft!!! :-O
kgbsfinst
June 27th, 2009
2:49 am
Man and I thought last years off season was crazy! If the rumor about the Hawks willing to deal Josh is true, this could be way crazier.
Its nice to see Joe calling and talking to both Jeff and Jamal, that shows signs of a good leader. I hope hes calling Chills everyday trying to convince him to come back. Even if he doesn’t fit into our plans (I think he can and does) he would be great trade bait.
No way Amare for Josh….no way.
Ed
June 27th, 2009
3:06 am
The talk about the Hawks trading Josh is a power play by Woody. It appears from the drafting of a PG that Woody endorsed and attempting to trade Smoove that Sund is doing everything he can to put the pieces that satisfies the Woodrow. That way if things go south he would be able to get the ASG’s permission to fire him.
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
3:09 am
HEAT CHECK, AMEN….
Clyde
June 27th, 2009
3:11 am
How many point guards has Woody ran through since he’s been in Atlanta?
Clyde
June 27th, 2009
3:15 am
No matter who he has playing the point they will never live up to his “perfect point guard” Chauncy Billups.
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
3:20 am
TEAUGE IS THE CLOSET THING TO THEAT IF YOU WATCH HIM CLOSELEY. HE’S A SKINNY CHAUNCEY BILLUPS LOL…..BACK WHEN CHAUNCEY HAD(OR USED RATHER)HIS HOPS.
CLYDE, I COUNT NINE. IVEY, JON BARRY,SALIM, ACIE, LUE, ANTHONY JOHNSON, SPEEDY, SALIM…..DID BOB SURA PLAY FOR HIM??? TOO EARLY I THINK???
Najeh Davenpoop
June 27th, 2009
3:25 am
Acie Law is not a “true PG”, but Teague is?
Woody is clueless.
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
3:26 am
TEAUGE WILL SUCCEED BECUSE HE IS RIGHT HANDED LOL. WOODY HAS A LEFTY BIAS OR SOMETHIN’ LOL. THAT’S WHY HE GIVE J-SMOOVE SUCH A HARD TIME.
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
5:15 am
WOODSON IS A SCRUB. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WHAT A CLASSLESS ACT BY CALLING OUT ACIE LIKE THAT. ACIE IS SUCH A GOOD GUY TOO. HE’S JUST TRYING TO SAVE FACE AND GET AN EXTENSION. HE KNOWS THIS IS HIS LAST CHANCE TO GET I RIGHT WITH A PG….THIS INE HAND-PICKED BY SUND SO YOU KNOW SUND WON’T STAND FOR ANY MORE FOOLISHNESS.
I SAID A FEW BLOGS AGO THAT SUND SHOULD LOAD US WITH TALENT AND SEE WHAT WOODY CAN REALLY DO AS A HC. LOOKS LIKE WE’LL GET OUR CHANCE TO SEE NEXT SEASON. HE’S OFFICIALLY IN THE HOT SEAT.
Hoops
June 27th, 2009
6:43 am
Question-
Can the Hawks re-sign Marvin, Zaza, and Bibby/Flip along with signing Charlie V.?
If so, we could be really good!
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
7:06 am
“I’m not knocking Acie Law in any way shape or form,” Woodson said. “But this kid [Teague] is what I’d call a true point guard. I gave Acie some opportunities, and it just didn’t work. That’s no knock on him as a player or me as a coach. Injuries probably hurt Acie the two years he was here, and honestly we just didn’t have the luxury of waiting on him when he first got here. We had to win.
“Jeff Teague has a different situation, and in some ways I think a better situation, in that we have a solid foundation of veterans here that he’ll be able to learn from and lean on. Make no mistake about it, he has the tools, and we need to provide him with the opportunity to become the player we think he can become.”
Very interesting comments from Woodson. Some are less revealing to those who were paying attention in the first place. Odd what Woody’s idea of a true pg is, but hey…everybody’s got a different opinion. Seems like we’re more sure of what Woody likes now, are we not?
As to the end of the statements provided, I will say two things. One, Woody should be held accountable to what he said, as it came out of his mouth first. He thinks Teague has the tools and needs the opportunity. Now what that means in detail as far as Woody is thinking, probably is not the same as what a typical fan like myself is thinking. Two, Teague seems to have the right attitude, but he will need to work on his game like hell, always be ready, and work hard to stay healthy. He’s not going to get minutes by default, nor should he.
Here’s to hoping for a better coach/player relationship between the two than that of Woody and Law, and better results all the way around. But it will take hard work and dedication on both fronts for it to happen.
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
7:12 am
Clyde,
To be fair to Woody (yes, I know…sacrilege), he didn’t acquire all of those point guards himself. He was given Lue and Anthony Johnson. Not the highlight of anybody’s day. Then there was Royal Ivey. How about the great Speedy Claxton? I’m done getting on his case about Law. That was really my only gripe with him as far as point guards go. Bibby has been head and shoulders, better than any of those guys.
On the flip side, that says a bit more about how terrible we’ve been at the position for a variety of reasons, than how good Bibby is.
Let’s not forget, the Bibby of old was at his best when he had a very involved frontcourt, and a shooting guard who did the bulk of the defensive work. He does not have that here. Nor does he have a coach with that kind of offensive mind. He has a defensive minded coach, whose offensive schemes are….well, they are what they are.
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
7:15 am
Clyde,
Been meaning to ask you. What low post defender was available to us in the draft, that would have been an upgrade over Horford? I realize that 12 points, 10 boards, and 1.5 blocks per game are just God-awful numbers for any starting center, but I’m struggling with the idea of who in that draft was a better low post player?
Maybe Horford needs to get fewer rebounds and more blocks, eh? Heh…
Eternal Optimist
June 27th, 2009
8:45 am
I like Teague in the first round, and choosing a shooting guard in the second is not much of a reach, we’ll see. The past few days I’ve been hearing alot of grumblings about a possible Amare/Jost trade. Please don’t do it. Amare is a much better offensive threat and Josth really needs to work on his all around offensive game but I still think you keep him. Defensively he’s a much better player and he changes so many shots during the course of the game. We have to try to keep ZaZa and continue to develop Solo. He actually has a very nice shot and with a little weight could become a decent center
doc
June 27th, 2009
8:51 am
nire, again thanks. look man i am not interested in trades but how to spend someone else’s money … just like any good fan oughta think, right?
i.mus, he is a lawyer in training about ready to go into the real world and get swamped. takong his boards soon i believe he has told us. he is enjoying it while he can. we need to enjoy him too as soon he will be only coming by to say hi and will give no free lawyerly advice … even to his buddies here that helped get him started. shameful isnt it?
yeah ray, where is the next question for woody …”so coach woody, can you tell us what is a true point guard, what are the qualities you look for and how did acie fail in those measures and teague, who admits he was more of a 2 in college, will succeed?”
sorry, i just dont get it. for the basics it seems acie fit the mold pretty good in that he penetrated and dished, played defense and seemed to look fo someone else’s shot before he took his instead of salim not a point looked for the opposite.
O'Brien
June 27th, 2009
9:22 am
If Bibby is okay with $6 mil per year, I think he will be back with the Hawks. But if he is looking for $8-$9 mil, that might be too much.
Another sticking point will also be the length of contract. The Hawks may offer 2 years, Bibby wants 3. If I’m the Hawks, I offer Bibby 2 years, (team option 3rd year), $6 mil annually.
Me personally, I would prefer a contract offer to Jarrett Jack (4 years, $18-$20 mil).
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
9:27 am
O’brien,
I agree. Bibby will want more years, and probably more money than we really want to pay him. I like your proposal of 2 yrs (3rd yr team option) and about $6 mil per. Anything beyond that, and I’ll be leaning towards your idea with Jarrett Jack.
G-Man
June 27th, 2009
9:29 am
I just heard that rumor yall were talking about. Broussard did indeed say that the hawks are willing to part with Josh Smith.
G-Man
June 27th, 2009
9:41 am
Is it just me or are we trying to be like the phoenix suns of a few years ago instead of the pistons of a few years ago? The Suns played little defense and would beat you by putting up the most points on offense. The Pistons played more in the halfcourt game while playing strong defense.
Samuel
June 27th, 2009
9:42 am
Woody is absolutely right on. I’m not sure how good Teague will be but one thing for sure. Bibby is the only decent point guard Woody has had to work with.
That being said, I think Acie will fit better in GS but with Ellis, Curry, Jackson and Morrow there, I don’t see that many more minutes for him. We’ll see.
Also, the more I think about it the more I like what Minnesota did. They knew NY wanted Rubio bad, so they drafted him along with three other PGs just in case he stays in Europe. I believe they can get a couple of good players for him.
Seems as though “MY BOY” Courtney Fells will be suiting up with the Orlando Magic in the Summer Leagues. Good for Him. I still say, Why draft Euros when there are good players right here in your back yard?
I MUS.WRITE
June 27th, 2009
9:50 am
NIRmental’s a lawyer Huh? Thats whass up! …… So he really is a sharp/smart guy -not like sum try’n to spit out useless facts to gain ground in Sekous pecking order…… I thought you were a Pharmacist or a Chemist or Maybe a mad scientist (EVIL LAUGH)..Thats good to know one of our residents is a lawyer -I may be giving you a stack of money one day-nock on wood hopefully not but Theres 10k in a safe place just incase.
Boom Dizzle
June 27th, 2009
9:53 am
Sekou,
I just head that Chris Broussard rumor as well about Amare potentially, is this one of those things where if there’s smoke, there’s fire? Or let this one bypass?
Also if you had to put percentages on our key free agents coming back (Bibby, Flip, Zaza, Marvin) what would they be in your opinion?
O'Brien
June 27th, 2009
10:01 am
My problem with resigning Bibby is we have no one in the backcourt who plays solid defense. JJ takes plays off (especially on defense), Carwford is not known for his defense, Flip is not known for his defense, neither is Teague or Bibby. I thought Woody was a defensive minded coach? Give me Jarrett Jack.
Maybe Teague could (eventually) be our Agent Zero (2.0). I know…wishful thinking.
I would not be surprised if he ends up in Philly. Philly needs more 3 point shooters, and in Eddie Jordan’s offense, Bibby should get some open looks.
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
10:18 am
Just found out that the Hawks have already tendered qualifying offers to Marvin and Chill, so their cap holds are entrenched. So as I said before – we’ve got the mid-level and the bi-annual. Sund needs to spend them wisely
bigeasy830
June 27th, 2009
10:26 am
Coach Woodson was very honest is his handling of Acie Law. he said it perfectly, the injuries hurt Acie’s chances and the hawks needed to win right then. The Coach did not have the luxury of developing a point guard when his job was on the line, plus the kid stayed on the sidelines in a suit. In this day and time if a player stays in college for 4 years his game is lacking somewhere. Most of the studs leave after 2 years 3 max. If that kid Teague would have stayed in college one more year he may have been a top 10 pick. i think we got a steal in him. As long as we have Joe and Crawford we don’t need a pure point guard. The Hawks do not need a player that handles the ball most of the time or even bring it up court most of the times. Their players are so versatile. They just need ball handlers and shooters and penetrators to take pressure of Joe and company. Plus i think this kid Teague has a chance to be the best defensive point guard out of this draft with his height, wingspan and quickness. He may be Rondo with a better jump shot. man we could have used him over Sheldon williams.
G-Man
June 27th, 2009
10:32 am
nire,
where did you hear that?
O'Brien
June 27th, 2009
10:43 am
Does Chills really want to come back and play for the Hawks though? After all, he will get even less minutes now (compared to last season). Crawford and Mo Evans will take up a lot of the bench minutes.
Hawks need to work out a sign and trade for Chills, because why tie up all that money for a guy who does not want to be here…
Samuel
June 27th, 2009
10:49 am
I believe I told yall a few days ago that Childress would be back in the NBA this year.
fudd21
June 27th, 2009
10:52 am
Nir, where did you hear that from. What was the offer?
Ken Strickland
June 27th, 2009
11:08 am
ED-you basically said what I was going to say. But like I said, Sund owes it to Woodson to do everything it takes, within reason of course, to help him be successful. Otherwise, if he’s not committed to providing Woodson with everything he feels he needs, he should have fired him and hired someone else.
It’s no secret Woodson and Smoove have clashed, and Smoove has openly confronted Woodson on more than one occasion, even though they’ve tried to make it seem it’s no big deal. Woodson is an egotistical control freak, and it’s not surprising that he would want to get rid of any young still developing player bold enough to defy him or challenge his authority, Like PG/SG-SStaudamire, PG-ALaw and now possibly PF-JSmith.
Having said that, it would seem AStaudemire would be a better fit for Woodson, and his limited jumpshooting OFF system, than Smoove. A starting lineup of:
C-AHorford,
PF-AStaudemire
SF-MWilliams
SG-JJohnson
PG-MBibby
would be awesome and exciting. Add SG/PG-JCrawford, PG-JTeague, C-Zaza amd SG/SF MEvans, and you have a bench rotation that’s better suited to playing Woodson’s limited jumpshooting style of OFF.
I love Smoove’s aggressive attitude and style of play as much as anyone, and that includes ALaw, but we have to accept who our HC is and what he wants or needs to make his OFF work.
Dashizz47
June 27th, 2009
11:22 am
Love what the Hawks are doing finally, now we to resign Bibby & Flip. Trade Marvin for Kaman or Camby or Josh for Amarie…..This town will be on fire!
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
11:31 am
Chris Sheridan said nothing about Amare to the Hawks… he mentioned Memphis…??? so it looks like multiple teams have offers… and Broussard was just speculating given what HE feels the Hawks are willing to do…
bigdave
June 27th, 2009
11:46 am
ive never anticipated a “NEW BLOG UP” like i anticipate the next…
so many topics… Bibby… Crawford… Teague… Josh/Amare… ZaZa… Marvin…etc
A Tribe Called Quest
June 27th, 2009
11:47 am
I think Woodson is going to Sund’s office everyday, begging for Smoove to be traded.
Why?
Because he knows the way this team is currently set, we will finish #4 in the East again but still are not good enough to beat #1-3 in a series. What does that mean? Another 2nd round exit and bye bye for Woodson after this coming season.
Josh Smith is the best non-all star any team could offer for Amare or Bosh. Teams offer trash, but we could EASILY offer Smoove + Chillz + protected pick. Contracts are perfect, and we could probably steal Barbosa too. The PHX front office is run by morons
Clyde
June 27th, 2009
11:50 am
Ariose you forgot Kenny Anderson.
Ray the only low post defender I liked was Thabeet. I know it would have been basically impossible to get him but lets do something.
What I’m saying is we have had a problem with our interior defense since Mutombo was traded and basically all of our free agent signings and draft picks have been on 1s, 2s, and 3s.
Lorenzen Wright was trash, Zaza is a good rebounder but he can’t finish and he doesn’t play defense, Josh Smith I can’t complain, Solomon doesn’t finish and is too skinny to get playing time, and Horford is playing out of position and will continue to play out as long as Woody is the coach.
I’ve been saying this for 4 years but we can’t continue to ignore our weakness. I know the draft didn’t provide a lot of options but do something. During the playoffs I saw people come right down the lane on us for uncontested dunks or layups. That should not be tolerated and people should be held accountable. If a big can’t contest shots in the paint lets get him out of here and lets bring someone in here that can.
But with Woody and Sund it seems like they think things are all good with our interior defense. And its frustrating to see us spend all this money on guards and small forwards when we need bigs. To me I think their priorities are messed up. That’s why I think we are a long way for competing for a championship.
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
12:11 pm
Clyde, I also forgot the great Tony Delk lol! He was solid though….
Ariose
June 27th, 2009
12:19 pm
I wish we had bought another pick like I had been calling for. Teauge and Mullens would have been an exellent draft.
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
12:53 pm
Marvin’s qualifying offer is $7.35M. Don’t know what Childress’s is. There’s no discretion as to the amount of the qualifying offer – it’s based on a percentage of their previous salary. It’s just a one-year offer, but it’s one that must be made in order for us to have the right to match offers for either of them.
richbrave
June 27th, 2009
1:33 pm
ARIOSE:
Could have had the second pick in the second round for a nominal fee(2.5 mill.). D.C.’s salary dump created an opening to purchase the rights to a good player – YOUNG, BLAIR et. al. So sorry.
BTW, GRUNFELD got out from under a horrific contract(three years including a player option @ 11+ mill. per) in ETAN THOMAS who is done in the NBA – trust me, meanwhile picking up a problematic outside shooter and a young G. SONGAILA’s 7.3 mill. two year contract with a one year player option hurt. A solid bench/role player. PECHEROV moved another 2+ million over two years. No loss there.
But two front court players are now missing and the list of players with the tags of #’s one and two on the WIZ seems endless. ARENAS, CRITTENTON, JAMES, DIXON, FOYE, MILLER, YOUNG, STEPHENSON. DIXON’s contract expires and he’s toast. Gone with the wind, an ATLANTA special. As much as GRUNFELD admires CRITTENTON, I can’t see his roster spot in jeopardy. But exclusive of ARENAS, I don’t see one of them as being immune to a trade for a young big.
Here EG hits a wall. A down draft where exclusive of a handful of bigs, the balance of the draft class in made up of excellent ones, twos, and threes leaves a glut of these types of players on the trade market. There are now many teams with new draftees to replace their existing personnel at those positions. These same teams feel they have enhanced their back-courts and are looking to bolster – you guessed it, their front-line, same as the WIZARDS.
GRUNFELD will be a magician, or should I say a WIZARD, if he’s able to land the right big man for the D.C. club at the four or five position. One option, FA. PACHULIA is a definite possibility. The cap hit for losing THOMAS was covered by the sale of pick #32 with roughly a million to spare. So the WIZ can offer some pretty heavy dough for the right man. And they have seen ZaZA play, being in the same division. Don’t be surprised to see WASHINGTON make a run at him with the approximately 13 million in cap room they now have. Not to mention all those PG’s and SG’s…..
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
2:02 pm
Clyde,
We do need help down low, and were sure weren’t going to get it in the draft, unless we were willing to get the short-but-stout DaJuan Blair. Can’t blame our team doctors for probably not signing off on him (not that I think he was a consideration anyway) after getting burned by Speedy.
Samuel,
I do recall you saying Chill would be back. I don’t know what kind of options we have with him exactly, but those are really dependant on what teams may be interested in him. As for pgs, you’re right about Bibby being the only decent one.
And it’s possible that Acie went from a none-too-good situation to a worse one. Woody may not like a dude, but he’ll say so. Nellie? Dude will flat out lie. Hope Acie fits a niche, or he will be looking at becoming a bit of an NBA journeyman before he can finish out his rookie contract.
So it looks like Marcin Gortat might be available. I think he’s worth looking at. Rumor is that Orlando is already looking hard at ‘Sheed and Brandon Bass. Bass is the younger and more affordable of the two, and I’d like to have him.
As for pgs, I have to agree with O’brien….
We need a defender in that group…
niremetal
June 27th, 2009
2:34 pm
richbrave,
That’s exactly why I think the Wizards were retarded to make that trade. They could have snatched up Jordan Hill or someone to help their frontcourt depth. Right now, they have the oft-injured Haywood, Jamison, McGee, and that’s it. Considering how godawful their defense was last year, you wouldn’t think that they’d trade their first round draft pick and all their frontcourt depth when they already have an overloaded backcourt.
And I don’t know why you think the Wiz have any cap space…they don’t. They actually are $20M over the cap already going into the summer, well above even the luxury tax threshold. I’d be surprised if they made a run at Zaza and shocked if Zaza was remotely interested in going to them, since the Wizards look like a train wreck going into next year – especially since Butler, Jamison, Haywood, and Miller aren’t exactly getting younger.
Melvin
June 27th, 2009
2:42 pm
bigdave,
I heard the same report by Mike Sheridan on ESPN as you and he didn’t mention Josh for Amare. I’m not sure if that doesn’t mean that its not being mention b/c some of these trades are being made behind closed doors until they are (near) complete.
richbrave,
According to hoopshype, the Wizards payroll will be 75 mil next season. Where are you getting this 13 mil in cap space from? Are you speaking for the 10-11 season which Miller, Haywood and James contracts comes off the books?
Big Ray,
I read the same thing about Orlando. I don’t know how they are going to offer Rasheed and Bass offers when they only have the MLE available? If we resign ZaZa then I rather see us sign a 4/5 type like McDyess,Charlie V or Frye (which I like b/c he’s young and maybe inexpensive).
Big Ray
June 27th, 2009
2:50 pm
Melvin,
Yeah, IF we re-sign Zaza. If NOT, then we don’t need to bother with Charlie V, as finding a replacement for Zaza’s role will be a more pressing need. Still would like to have one more banger, but it may not be in the cards. Perhaps more PT for Solo is. Perhaps not.
RealSquawk
June 27th, 2009
2:51 pm
It is always cheaper to fire a coach and less risky then to trade a piece like Josh Smith.
I am not a fan of Josh Smith at all, but I do know he is 23 with no big injuries why Amare is 28 and riddled with injuries.
If we were trading Josh for Chris Kaman and two first round picks or black griffin or somebody, but Amare was supposedly almost traded for Sheldon and now we trying to trade him for Josh?
Sautee
June 27th, 2009
2:59 pm
Ray,
I’m not so sure about this: “And it’s possible that Acie went from a none-too-good situation to a worse one. Woody may not like a dude, but he’ll say so. Nellie? Dude will flat out lie.”
I personally think Woody’s either lying, or is, as myc says “completely clueless”.
LOL! Woody said this: “I gave Acie some opportunities, and it just didn’t work.”
In the 12 games where Acie had at least 15 minutes (that is, a true opportunity) he averaged 7.2 pts. 2.4 reb. and 3.1 assists to 0.8 turnovers.
But THAT is cluelessly translated as “just didn’t work”. Acie also had MORE dnp-cd’s than games where he played at least 15 minutes. And, as we all know, MANY dnp-cd’s after a productive stint in the previous game.
Note Acie’s almost 4:1 ratio of assist / turnover in those games. Teague’s is 1:1, but he’s “closer to a true point guard” according to chrome dome.
Woody should have kept his mouth shut, rather than “removing all doubt”
Acie deserved better than he got from Woodson.
And that does not mitigate my feelings about the perceived worth of the Crawford trade. We still got a lot for a little. We’ll see how it works out.
reedeak
June 27th, 2009
3:11 pm
BOSH! BOSH! BOSH!…..i wish
reedeak
June 27th, 2009
3:17 pm