Psycho-T brings the pain
Tyler Hansbrough didn't leave anything on the floor after his workout with the Hawks Sunday morning at Philips Arena. The rugged North Carolina forward is a a player to keep an eye on this week with the Hawks drafting 19th in Thursday's NBA draft.
HAWKSVILLE - The reviews were unanimous.
On 10-point scale, Tyler Hansbrough’s Sunday morning workout for the Hawks at Philips Arena ranks at the very top of anything conducted in the past five days.
It wasn’t any one thing in particular that had the Hawks’ coaches buzzing. It was everything. Hansbrough’s energy, effort and obviously better-than-advertised shooting and athleticism caught more than a few folks in attendance by surprise.
“He kicked the meter up. It was off the Richter Scale,” said Hawks assistant coach Larry Drew, who ran the team’s workouts all week. “That was one of those 8.0s, one of those quick, hard earthquakes. Because his energy is at another level. You just don’t see many players capable of playing with that type of energy and effort and can sustain it through a game, or even a workout. He plays at a totally different level than some of these young guys out here.”
I felt like I needed an ice bath after watching his 90-minute workout. But Hansbrough proved a theory that a wise Eastern Conference executive reiterated to me Sunday night, “effort is a skill in the NBA.” And Hansbrough has it in reserve.
Alade Aminu (Stephenson High and Georgia Tech) and Shawn Taggart (Memphis) were the other bigs on hand Sunday. And they were also impressive in the individual drills and two-on-two work that was done. But Hansbrough’s refusal to go at anything but full bore during the entire workout had everyone buzzing afterwards.
Love him or hate him, and Hansbrough laughed about the fact that he’s inspired the masses to do either one or the other and sometimes both, he’s going to do it his way. And the truth is the Hawks could do a lot worse with the 19th pick. But they probably won’t have to worry about Hansbrough there, as I haven’t spoken to anyone anywhere that believes he’ll still be on the board when the Hawks are on the clock Thursday night.
“If this kid is still there at 19, the Hawks better not hesitate,” another Eastern Conference executive told me Sunday afternoon. “The kid’s a dream for coaches in our league, because he’s going to come in and crank things up automatically. He’s just wired differently than most of these other guys.”
That’s the real problem with a pick that late. You can project who you think might be there and evaluate accordingly, but there’s no way of knowing who will be around by then on draft night. One glitch on the draft board in the early lottery can swing the draft in a totally different direction than projected.
The Hawks sent things sideways in 2004 when they took Josh Childress ahead of Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala – defying most mock drafts that had those other two guys going ahead of Childress.
And anytime one player rises and is picked ahead of projection, someone else falls and lands in the lap of an unsuspecting team like the Hawks (who have no doubt done their due diligence throughout this process by examining all the possibilities).
DaJuan Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. Too bad he didn't get a chance to workout for the Hawks while he was in town last week (a sprained ankle sidelined him).
Check any mock draft you want and go over the list of names where the Hawks are picking and there are either guys you draft on potential (Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, who acquitted himself well in his workout Saturday, or Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, who did the same a day earlier) or seasoned college guys that will be needle pushers as rookies (guys like Hansbrough, Pitt’s Sam Young, Louisville’s Terrence Williams and Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, all of whom the Hawks have had face time with throughout the process).
The usual anxiety surrounding the Hawks at draft time doesn’t really seem necessary this year, at least the way I see it. The Hawks’ heavy lifting is going to come in free agency – and that’s where Hansbrough and all the bigger guys on the short list I’ve detailed above come in handy. Follow me now. When the Hawks lost Josh Childress to Greece last summer, they didn’t have a ready replacement for a 6-8 guy with his skills and seasoning, mostly because they didn’t have a draft pick to use on a player of that ilk. Say, for the sake of my theory, that the Hawks are unable to keep all their free agents. Don’t you think another cat with size and versatility might come in handy next season, even if he’s just a situational rotation player as a rookie?
While I didn’t agree with the notion that drafting 6-8 to 6-9 players ever year now matter what would lead a team from 13-win seasons to the playoffs, I can see the wisdom in taking players that fit that mold if you’re in the best-player-available mode on draft night and picking outside of the lottery. It’s just wise to have your roster well-stocked with a couple Trevor Ariza/Mickael Pietrus/Linas Kleiza types. I think the entire league realizes that now after the playoffs.
FROM THE DO YOUR HOMEWORK FILES …
A quick aside from the Hawks-themed portion of the program requires us to look across the pond fro a moment.
Flooding Europe with scouts from every NBA team has finally caught up to the league and to the crop of talent. The Euro harvest is expected to be extremely thin Thursday night.
Jonathan Abrams of the New York Times had a staggering statistic in his story about the sudden change in philosophy regarding drafting European (and really international) prospects:
“Teams appear to be straying from the recent trend of drafting overseas players because many of them have not lived up to expectations. Of the 39 international players selected in the first round since 2002 with no prior experience playing in the United States, only Yao Ming has surfaced as an All-Star. In that same time, 14 of 171 American players drafted in the first round made at least one All-Star team.”
Math was never my best subject in school, but I know crazy numbers when I see them. And that’s craziness.
OTHER LASTING IMPRESSIONS WERE MADE DURING WORKOUT WEEK, including a stellar showing by a guy not getting any first round buzz. Keep LSU combo guard Garrett Temple in mind in the second round. He’s going to make someone a nice player wherever he is drafted (provided he is drafted, and if not, he’ll be a good free agent pick up for some team). I remember watching him shut J.J. Redick down at the Georgia Dome during LSU’s run to the Final Four a few years back. He’s got NBA height for his position but his frame is need of some bulk to stand up the type of pounding he could endure at the pro level. But he’s got every tool you want in a player and he’ll compete with anyone.
Another guy the Hawks had in that made an impression me was Lester Hudson, a 6-3, 200-pound bull from Tennessee-Martin that refused to let anyone slow him down in his workout. He’s the kind of feisty guard that NBA teams love to have coming off their bench to wreak havoc on opposing defenses and to harass opposing point guards. And you talk about a guy breaking down walls to reach his goals, tell me Hudson hasn’t done exactly that after reading this from my man Chris Low from ESPN.com.
Fearless seems like an appropriate description of Lester Hudson's game.
Jonesboro’s Toney Douglas (Florida State) was by far the most tenacious defender in attendance all week. He didn’t miss an opportunity to mix it up in the drills I watched. I can see why folks have been gushing about him as a potential, Ben Gordon-like combo guard. But he’s a defender like Gordon wishes he was (granted, few guards this size on the planet can score from the distance and in the variety of ways Gordon does). Still, whatever team nabs Douglas on draft night will have happy coaches and fans that will appreciate his in-your-face style.
Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. I got into a heated debate with my man JB “Beans” Beckett Sunday about Summer and Young. After watching some film clips of both, including some of their head-to-head matchup from the season, we agreed that we were both right and that Summer and Young have a chance to contribute as rookies wherever they go. Now if we could just convince someone to let us draft for them Thursday night.
All joking aside, I have no earthly idea what happens Thursday night. Who does?
Too much can swing things on draft night. And we didn’t even get into the all the crazy scenarios that could happen if the Hawks were to find the right package to move the pick (and whatever else necessary) to shore up their depth issues at certain positions.
Nothing is outside of the realm of possibility right now, my friends. Nothing at all.
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Anakin Joe
June 24th, 2009
9:40 pm
Sautee, a few years ago, there was a player in the league whom I truly despised. Dude was bug but Pillsbury Doughboy soft. Shot 3-balls all the time. And did this annoying shake when he made a stupid lay-up. He was everything that I don’t like in a player. And one day, my favorite team acquired him in a trade.
I made it through the Antoine Walker debacle and I can make it through this.
Blast
June 24th, 2009
9:41 pm
Didn’t know Crawford’s son and mom lived in the ATL.
RealSquawk
June 24th, 2009
9:47 pm
Blast,
where did you get the dialogue man. your sources must be sick!
ant banks
June 24th, 2009
9:53 pm
does the addition of jamal crawford make us an appreciably better team? we play orlando, miami, washington, and charlotte 4 times each. we probably play clev, boston, indy, chicago twice. how will we fair against these teams? not to mention the powerhouse from the west.
i am cautiously optimistic. we are goin’ to need more than jamal crawford, though
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:11 pm
we’re briniging everybody back+the draftees…..
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:16 pm
We still need to Draft Danny Green(SF) in the 2nd….remember Lebron? yeah he abused us this postseason with marvin out. Trade Mo and Randolph for somebody….we can still sign Geral Green also for 800k
kwooden1
June 24th, 2009
10:22 pm
This trade is a steal!!! No question about it. Crawford is a volume shooter and plays little defense, I understand that. But Speedy never PLAYED!!! PERIOD! Acie ??? Nothing more to say! Ask WOODY!
The HAWKS can still sign Bibby to about 15M over two years and then draft the best available PG and the biggest body they can find in the 2nd round. I’m still confident that Zaza is gone, so that means they have to give Solo a raise. They let Flip walk and use the MLE to find another service able PF/C. Crawford coming off the bench is Flip+2.
GO HAWKS!!
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
10:25 pm
Astro Joe,
Look, are we really going to go with the “he’s not a winner” argument?
First, we are not guaranteed NOT to sign Bibby. Second, this guy played on weak Chicago teams, Isaiah Thomas-led NY Knicks teams (turmoil city), and then he played for the defense and chemistry-challenged Warriors. Last I looked, guys didn’t win by themselves, and we didn’t pick him up to lead us to the promised land. He is a veteran scorer who can create his own shot. We dumped two guys we had no use for (and this is where I REALLY don’t understand your reactions), and got something useful in return.
You don’t trade two “nobodies” for a savior. It just doesn’t happen. I think it’s your expectations that have you mentally hamstrung. Again, I’d probably be right there next to you if this was the only move of the offseason. But it’s the first move. And it wasn’t a bad one. Unless of course you think Acie and Speedy were the keys to an NBA championship for the Hawks. Here’s a hint: Bibby and Flip aren’t either, and I’m betting we still re-sign one of them.
What makes a player a winner? Being on a winning team? What if your team wins one year and not the next, are you then a part-time winner, or a part-time loser?
Mike Bibby has experienced a lot, and I know that. But what did he win, besides a championship in college (which is quickly forgotten when you can’t do it in the NBA)? He’s won in some big playoff games, but in the end, he lost. Did we bring in a loser in Zaza? How about Flip? Mo Evans? JJ won a lot in Phoenix, but like Bibby, he couldn’t win the big one.
Crawford is a piece, a component. Something to help augment your true building blocks. Go looking for “winners” in free agency, and you’ll come back discouraged.
What has Kirk Hinrich won, that you are so willing to pay him as much as Crawford is going to make, only over more years? Just saying. Don’t hang it all on one definition that’s not even a universally shared opinion.
The Truth
June 24th, 2009
10:31 pm
Woody is probably concern about the early termination clause in Crawford contract because that restricts him from being a boneheaded coach toward Crawford. He most be on his best behavior or Crawford is out of here.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
10:31 pm
If the Hawks acquire Crawford, can he be traded again this offseason?
Anyway, I have some concerns about this trade, but as Ray mentioned, the offseason is not over. We still have the draft and free agency, so who knows what the team will look like, or what Woody’s plan will be.
I will say, that if Woody is holding up the deal, then Rick Sund must really value his input after all…
Sekou Smith
June 24th, 2009
10:32 pm
Why anyone thinks this is a bad deal from the Hawks’ perspective is beyond me. And I’ve seen all back and forth here, on the other AJC blogs and elsewhere. It’s craziness.
The deal isn’t being held up by anyone or anything. It’ll be announced when it’s finalized and that won’t be until it gets rubber stamped across the board by the league. It’s not a draft-related deal, which makes it a bit easier to wrap your arms around.
But it’s not some complicated thing. The Hawks get a big-time scorer and player in Crawford that eases the pressure on several fronts (the point guard, whoever it ends up being, Joe Johnson, the backcourt rotation, among other things) in exchange for two guys that might not have been in the rotation next year. What’s the problem there?
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
10:32 pm
Blast,
Funny conversation.
On a more serious note, I fail to understand why Crawford is getting hammered so hard by some people for a lack of defense. Surely a good coach like Woody can inspire and convince him to play better defense, yes?
Uh, there is that little matter of it not working with Bibby. I think Crawford can be better on defense than he has shown. I think he would be happy to come to a team that had a winning season (even if it’s the first one in many years), rather than play for a coach that doesn’t want him, and is more interested in restructuring the franchise’s front office than in getting the maximum out of his players.
As for Woody nixing or holding up the deal, I’m not going to believe one bit of that. Sund will pull rank, whether Woody likes it or not. His job is to get the most out of the guys he has on the floor. If this deal still goes through, he gets a veteran combo guard with decent size, who can create his own shot and is more potent than Flip.
We still may yet sign Bibby (if he REALLY wants to be here, and the money talk isn’t too far apart), which should make both Woody and his entourgage happy.
Make the best of it, Woody. That’s your job.
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
10:44 pm
O’brien,
I thought the same thing (Crawford could be moved again this very offseason, or during the season). While this is a possibility (and I don’t know how long you have to wait to do another trade with the same player), as I think about it more and more, I don’t see it happening. But I could be wrong. More likely he gets moved during the season, by the trade deadline, if he gets moved at all.
Sekou,
I agree. This is NOT a bad move. Some were against the Bibby trade, but it turned out fine, and now they are about to slit their wrists because they think THIS trade (which ain’t a whole lot different in many ways) will keep us from retaining him. Gee, did anybody really know what good benefits Mike Bibby would bring? Precisely, so no need to fly off the handle at this trade.
Don’t know why this has to be repeated, but for the upteenth time already, we get a proven scorer for two spare parts we weren’t going to use. Pardon me if I don’t shed tears over that (and I was an Acie Law advocate).
As for Woody, he should have no complaints. Well, that’s about like saying all bloggers should agree on something, but you know how that goes…
Blast
June 24th, 2009
10:53 pm
RealSquawk,
That conversation was all made up in my mind, dude. Was just trying to figure out why Woody might be opposed to that trade, and if he has any imput on things at all.
I do think Crawford might be more inspired to play better defence if he came to a winning team with a mission. Doing that will only enhance his overall value in the league. With the kind of defence Hawks play, I think they can make it work.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
10:54 pm
Everyone talks about Crawford’s lack of defense, but is he any worse than Bibby?
And we still dont know how Woody will use him. What if he comes off the bench (plays Point sometimes, relieves JJ sometimes), then how is that a bad move?
And he gives the Hawks a valuable asset that they can use or trade as they see fit. Maybe they can trade him for a big, depending on what happens in Free Agency, or he can be our scorer off the bench.
I do think that means Flip is gone though. Sign a PG (Jack), resign Zaza, and use our mid-level on a big. And draft a PG at #19.
Anakin Joe
June 24th, 2009
10:58 pm
Let’s see what happens next. I think we’re screwed by this move. Just like Sund made it a point to say that allowing Chill to walk allowed him to bring in Flip and Mo, I think this move will result in a paper-thin bench. If we are watching Sund talk up the acquisitions of Robert Swift, Stromile Swift and Marcus Williams, well…
And Sund really needs to get a defender for this backcourt. Someone capable of defending from the first game of the season. And y’all can discount Bibby’s 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, but if we can’t rebound AND increase our turnovers, then I don’t know how we can win while reducing our offensive possessions.
But dude is a great free throw shooter.
kwooden1
June 24th, 2009
11:02 pm
Again Crawford coming off the bench should be the intent in making this trade. Bibby still needs to be signed and we need to pickup the best PG available in the draft. I’m sorry but I’m still convinced that Zaza is gone, which I don’t like but needs to happen. Solo needs more playing time, because he can rebound well, but also brings the shot-blocking that Zaza doesn’t have. With this trade, the HAWKS can let Flip walk and use their full MLE to get someone like McDyess, Bass, Hollins or even Joe Smith. If some team offers Marvin 10M+, I have no problem letting him walk. (even though I want to keep him) The team played well with Evans starting and this gives the team flexibility in working with Horford next year.
This is the way I see things
Starters: Same (sign Bibby, keep Marvin on the qualifying offer)
Bench:
PG – Lawson/Maynor/Douglas
SG – Crawford
SF – Evans
PF – McDyess/Bass/Hollins/Smith/etc
C – Solo
GO HAWKS!!
Anakin Joe
June 24th, 2009
11:03 pm
I thought that point was to improve our perimeter defense, not replicate it for another two years. I guess I got that confused. Saying that Crawford’s defense isn’t any worse than Bibby (who is a far better shooter, a more effective distributor and a clutch player in meaningful games) doesn’t make me feel any better about this. At $10M per season, I wouldn’t want either one of them back.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
11:07 pm
AJ,
I am okay with Crawford’s defense (assuming he is coming off the bench).
And I do have some reservations about this trade. But the problem is we dont know what options were available, and we dont know what will happen in free agency.
We’ll just have to wait and see what the team looks like going into training camp.
niremetal
June 24th, 2009
11:09 pm
Dammit, the blog ate my long, thoughtful post.
Try again:
I neglected to mention one thing about those Pau Gasol Grizzlies of the mid-2000s – they had Shane Battier. They won 45-50 games in 3 straight years with Battier. Then Battier left for Houston, and they fell immediately to the bottom of the lottery…and the Rockets made an immediate 18-game leap to join the West elite.
And for all the talk of “well Bibby can’t play defense either,” Bibby’s teams always seem to do better in reality than they look on paper. The Kings went from “very good” to “title contenders” (hell, they woulda won in 2002 if not for Horry’s miracle and the worst-reffed game in NBA history) and stayed contenders longer than they should have considering their aging and often-injured roster. He virtually willed the team to one last playoff berth in 2006 when they were basically in the midst of rebuilding. And of course, he was the difference in getting the Hawks to the playoffs last year despite being injured. And this year, we did 10-15 games better than the “experts” predicted when he was back at full strength.
Bibby is down the spectrum from Battier, but Crawford is at the opposite end. If NBA teams were rated like Schwab rates stocks, Battier’s teams would always be “Overperform,” Bibby’s would usually be “Overperform” and never worse than “Market Perform,” and Crawford’s have always been “Market Perform” or “Underperform.”
We don’t know if Crawford knows how to be a complementary player. We don’t know if he’ll be ok with playing the role of SuperFlip. And we don’t know if he’s the type of guy who can play for a winner, because he hasn’t played for a winner since he left high school.
I’m not saying it’s definitely bad. I’m just saying it’s a big roll of the dice.
darrell starks
June 24th, 2009
11:17 pm
I am a big acie law fan but sometime you have to make move in order to get better crawford would be and up grade at the point.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 24th, 2009
11:22 pm
jamal make 10mill thats 5mill less than bibby smart move by asg if deal go thru.
GO HAWKS!!!!!
Anakin Joe
June 24th, 2009
11:23 pm
I guess the other way to spin this is that the ASG is now feeling good about having a bench with a former lottery pick and a $10M/year player. And that is good news, truly. Especially if they maintain a quality starting unit.
Speaking of a $10M bench player, how much would Childress get relative to Crawford as a bench player? Is Chill half the player ($5M)? 80% ($8M)? I assume Sund thinks something closer to 60-65% the player that Craford is. Wow!
darrell starks
June 24th, 2009
11:28 pm
If we make this trade we have to keep marvin to balance it out.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
doc
June 24th, 2009
11:30 pm
aj,i heard after they were turned down by portland for roy, chicago for rose and miami for the chosen one, they offered the same deal for kidd, nash and parker but for some reason were turned down. does that make you feel better? someone just took out your garbage and left you a pizza and beer in return along with popcorn for the movie at home with the kids and some ben and jerry’s on the side before you go to bed and you go anakin because it wasnt a dinner at bones in a limo. man, no wonder you dont like josh, he is as petulant as you are. finally, see the projected self, like living with yourself. also, yeah, it is only one meal but it was your garbage and is better than a happy meal.
it is a relief, because we can finally put to rest the acie story unless he turns into the next coming of parker. then you can beatch about your coach like the rest of us, until then you dont have to defend the man woody.
darrell starks
June 24th, 2009
11:31 pm
If some how if we can bring back chill wow i can see this team doing something.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
11:35 pm
I heard Portland is trying to get Hinrich to play alongside Roy. That would be a very good backcourt right there.
darrell starks
June 24th, 2009
11:35 pm
2009 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTER JAMAL, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD
BENCH FLIP, MOE, CHILL, CHARLIE V, ZAZA,
19PICK TYLAWSON, SOLO
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
doc
June 24th, 2009
11:56 pm
darrell nice try only your team would cost about 75 mil at least in a quick projection.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:59 pm
So it comes Down to Jeff Teauge & Wayne Ellington….
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
12:05 am
I’m a little late to the Jamal Crawford party here, but…
“The Hawks get a big-time scorer and player in Crawford that eases the pressure on several fronts (the point guard, whoever it ends up being, Joe Johnson, the backcourt rotation, among other things) in exchange for two guys that might not have been in the rotation next year. What’s the problem there?”
The problem is salary. Plain and simple. You’re right, the trade itself is great — you give up a talented but underused PG who wasn’t going to succeed here under the current coaching staff and an expiring contract and get a guy who has scored 50 in a game. Of course that’s a great trade by itself. My initial reaction when I heard of the trade was excitement.
But as a fan base, we have come to collectively dislike and distrust the DASG. And based on the salary commitment necessary to keep the current team together while adding Crawford for the next two seasons, the huge worry I have here is that Sund has acquired Crawford as a replacement for Bibby, instead of as a replacement for Flip. If Crawford is going to be the Hawks’ 6th man and Bibby is going to return as the starter, this is a fantastic trade. If Crawford is going to be the starting point guard next season and the only true point on the team is going to be Jeff Teague or Ty Lawson, this trade is not so great.
I will say this — if the DASG approves re-signing Bibby to a market value salary in addition to adding Crawford and keeping the rest of the core together, my opinion of them would skyrocket. I might even have to drop the “D” from “DASG”.
Mel on a car phone
June 25th, 2009
12:18 am
“Sources close to the process told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the deal is likely to be made official in the next day or two, with Crawford expected to sign a document stating that he will not opt out of the final two seasons of his contract, which he has the right to do until June 30.
A player who has the ability to opt out of his contract cannot be traded until July 1 — when the next calendar year in the NBA begins — unless such an amendment stating Crawford won’t opt out is signed.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4284512
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
12:19 am
“So it comes Down to Jeff Teauge & Wayne Ellington….”
I don’t think the Hawks are going to look to add Ellington when he would be 3rd on the depth chart at SG. I’m guessing they will probably go after whoever they feel is the most NBA-ready point guard available. I personally like Eric Maynor better than Jeff Teague just from what I’ve seen, but I’ll admit I haven’t seen a whole lot…
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
12:24 am
DOC im a step ahead of you jamal 10m, joe 15m, marvin 7m, josh 10m, horford 4m, flip 3m, moe 3m, chill 7m, charlie v 7m, zaz 6m, ty lawson 2m, solo 1m, your right thats 76mill.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
12:28 am
As for Acie Law, I am disappointed it couldn’t work for him in Atlanta, but I still think he has a solid NBA career ahead of him.
By the way, ESPN is saying the long-rumored Shaq-to-Cavs-for-expiring-trash trade is 90% completed.
Mel on a car phone
June 25th, 2009
12:29 am
Seems like the only reason to draft Ellington would be if Marvin’s on his way out. I think the Hawks will go with BJ Mullens if he’s there. Otherwise, a PG. That’s just my guess though. I don’t have any inside info.
RealSquawk
June 25th, 2009
12:31 am
Blast,
come on man I was being sarcastic.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
12:42 am
76MILL that would make us maybe 12 in league salary wise not bad plus this team will be able to compete with the elite.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed
June 25th, 2009
1:02 am
I read earlier tonight that Woody is the one holding this deal up. There was no reason given as to why though. If that’s correct I am most curious as to Woody’s reason…
jhan
June 25th, 2009
1:08 am
O’brien – I think your plan is very likely to happen. Wonder what big we could get with the mid-level?
cp
June 25th, 2009
1:18 am
People are acting like we just traded for Isiah Rider. The guy we have only makes 2 million more than the 2 guys we got rid of. One never played and the other one barely played. So I guess people would be fine with 8 million rotting away on the bench. One getting yanked after one mistake and one sitting in a suit. In our offense Joe is pretty much the pg anyway. He is the one who usually brings the ball up and etc. I have no problem with this move at all. People call Crawford a chucker but look at his fga and look at Joe’s. Hell Joe takes his fair of bad shots too. I wish we would have had a guy like Crawford last year in the playoffs. Most of the guys on our team seemed to have forgot we were in the playoffs and didn’t show up. Draft Teague, bring back Pachulia, snag Danny Green in the second round, sign a guy like Gerald Green, with Marvin back I don’t see how we all of a sudden cant make the playoffs. We added Flip and Mo and made the playoffs last year when nobody thought we could. We make one move before we even make a draft pick and people are already putting us in the lottery next year. Unbelievable.
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
1:27 am
CP if the hawks make this move this will be there best move since taking over.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
1:31 am
But asg have to bring back marvin now in order to balance the team out and they must sign flip zaza and hoping with my finger cross we bring back chill.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Ed
June 25th, 2009
1:49 am
Niremetal…pejorative. I had to google that one. Guess you’re just showing off your chops:-) Anyway, I think for certain Crawford is not being brought in to play the Flip role. I agree w/ you that’s unfortunate as it shows this team truly has no identity. Hopefully Woody is holding up the deal because he wants a defensive minded team
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
1:49 am
Will ty lawson be there at pick 19? i hope so
GO HAWKS!!!!
darrell starks
June 25th, 2009
1:51 am
Please no jeff teague.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:56 am
Flip was our backup PG. He Will be back.
Projected bench: Flip, Crawford,Danny Green, Mo Evans, Gerald Green, Zaza, Solo, Patrick Mills(or A.J Price, or Lawson, or Jerrels, or Teauge), Brandon Bass and Randolph…..
Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2009
1:57 am
I wonder if this guy is a commenter on this blog?
Ariose
June 25th, 2009
1:58 am
Starks, i’m Actually hoping both are gone so we select Patrick Mills; kid is a proven beast…
J-MAN
June 25th, 2009
2:53 am
We need some Bigs still come on Tyson Chandler