Psycho-T brings the pain
Tyler Hansbrough didn't leave anything on the floor after his workout with the Hawks Sunday morning at Philips Arena. The rugged North Carolina forward is a a player to keep an eye on this week with the Hawks drafting 19th in Thursday's NBA draft.
HAWKSVILLE - The reviews were unanimous.
On 10-point scale, Tyler Hansbrough’s Sunday morning workout for the Hawks at Philips Arena ranks at the very top of anything conducted in the past five days.
It wasn’t any one thing in particular that had the Hawks’ coaches buzzing. It was everything. Hansbrough’s energy, effort and obviously better-than-advertised shooting and athleticism caught more than a few folks in attendance by surprise.
“He kicked the meter up. It was off the Richter Scale,” said Hawks assistant coach Larry Drew, who ran the team’s workouts all week. “That was one of those 8.0s, one of those quick, hard earthquakes. Because his energy is at another level. You just don’t see many players capable of playing with that type of energy and effort and can sustain it through a game, or even a workout. He plays at a totally different level than some of these young guys out here.”
I felt like I needed an ice bath after watching his 90-minute workout. But Hansbrough proved a theory that a wise Eastern Conference executive reiterated to me Sunday night, “effort is a skill in the NBA.” And Hansbrough has it in reserve.
Alade Aminu (Stephenson High and Georgia Tech) and Shawn Taggart (Memphis) were the other bigs on hand Sunday. And they were also impressive in the individual drills and two-on-two work that was done. But Hansbrough’s refusal to go at anything but full bore during the entire workout had everyone buzzing afterwards.
Love him or hate him, and Hansbrough laughed about the fact that he’s inspired the masses to do either one or the other and sometimes both, he’s going to do it his way. And the truth is the Hawks could do a lot worse with the 19th pick. But they probably won’t have to worry about Hansbrough there, as I haven’t spoken to anyone anywhere that believes he’ll still be on the board when the Hawks are on the clock Thursday night.
“If this kid is still there at 19, the Hawks better not hesitate,” another Eastern Conference executive told me Sunday afternoon. “The kid’s a dream for coaches in our league, because he’s going to come in and crank things up automatically. He’s just wired differently than most of these other guys.”
That’s the real problem with a pick that late. You can project who you think might be there and evaluate accordingly, but there’s no way of knowing who will be around by then on draft night. One glitch on the draft board in the early lottery can swing the draft in a totally different direction than projected.
The Hawks sent things sideways in 2004 when they took Josh Childress ahead of Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala – defying most mock drafts that had those other two guys going ahead of Childress.
And anytime one player rises and is picked ahead of projection, someone else falls and lands in the lap of an unsuspecting team like the Hawks (who have no doubt done their due diligence throughout this process by examining all the possibilities).
DaJuan Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. Too bad he didn't get a chance to workout for the Hawks while he was in town last week (a sprained ankle sidelined him).
Check any mock draft you want and go over the list of names where the Hawks are picking and there are either guys you draft on potential (Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, who acquitted himself well in his workout Saturday, or Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, who did the same a day earlier) or seasoned college guys that will be needle pushers as rookies (guys like Hansbrough, Pitt’s Sam Young, Louisville’s Terrence Williams and Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, all of whom the Hawks have had face time with throughout the process).
The usual anxiety surrounding the Hawks at draft time doesn’t really seem necessary this year, at least the way I see it. The Hawks’ heavy lifting is going to come in free agency – and that’s where Hansbrough and all the bigger guys on the short list I’ve detailed above come in handy. Follow me now. When the Hawks lost Josh Childress to Greece last summer, they didn’t have a ready replacement for a 6-8 guy with his skills and seasoning, mostly because they didn’t have a draft pick to use on a player of that ilk. Say, for the sake of my theory, that the Hawks are unable to keep all their free agents. Don’t you think another cat with size and versatility might come in handy next season, even if he’s just a situational rotation player as a rookie?
While I didn’t agree with the notion that drafting 6-8 to 6-9 players ever year now matter what would lead a team from 13-win seasons to the playoffs, I can see the wisdom in taking players that fit that mold if you’re in the best-player-available mode on draft night and picking outside of the lottery. It’s just wise to have your roster well-stocked with a couple Trevor Ariza/Mickael Pietrus/Linas Kleiza types. I think the entire league realizes that now after the playoffs.
FROM THE DO YOUR HOMEWORK FILES …
A quick aside from the Hawks-themed portion of the program requires us to look across the pond fro a moment.
Flooding Europe with scouts from every NBA team has finally caught up to the league and to the crop of talent. The Euro harvest is expected to be extremely thin Thursday night.
Jonathan Abrams of the New York Times had a staggering statistic in his story about the sudden change in philosophy regarding drafting European (and really international) prospects:
“Teams appear to be straying from the recent trend of drafting overseas players because many of them have not lived up to expectations. Of the 39 international players selected in the first round since 2002 with no prior experience playing in the United States, only Yao Ming has surfaced as an All-Star. In that same time, 14 of 171 American players drafted in the first round made at least one All-Star team.”
Math was never my best subject in school, but I know crazy numbers when I see them. And that’s craziness.
OTHER LASTING IMPRESSIONS WERE MADE DURING WORKOUT WEEK, including a stellar showing by a guy not getting any first round buzz. Keep LSU combo guard Garrett Temple in mind in the second round. He’s going to make someone a nice player wherever he is drafted (provided he is drafted, and if not, he’ll be a good free agent pick up for some team). I remember watching him shut J.J. Redick down at the Georgia Dome during LSU’s run to the Final Four a few years back. He’s got NBA height for his position but his frame is need of some bulk to stand up the type of pounding he could endure at the pro level. But he’s got every tool you want in a player and he’ll compete with anyone.
Another guy the Hawks had in that made an impression me was Lester Hudson, a 6-3, 200-pound bull from Tennessee-Martin that refused to let anyone slow him down in his workout. He’s the kind of feisty guard that NBA teams love to have coming off their bench to wreak havoc on opposing defenses and to harass opposing point guards. And you talk about a guy breaking down walls to reach his goals, tell me Hudson hasn’t done exactly that after reading this from my man Chris Low from ESPN.com.
Fearless seems like an appropriate description of Lester Hudson's game.
Jonesboro’s Toney Douglas (Florida State) was by far the most tenacious defender in attendance all week. He didn’t miss an opportunity to mix it up in the drills I watched. I can see why folks have been gushing about him as a potential, Ben Gordon-like combo guard. But he’s a defender like Gordon wishes he was (granted, few guards this size on the planet can score from the distance and in the variety of ways Gordon does). Still, whatever team nabs Douglas on draft night will have happy coaches and fans that will appreciate his in-your-face style.
Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. I got into a heated debate with my man JB “Beans” Beckett Sunday about Summer and Young. After watching some film clips of both, including some of their head-to-head matchup from the season, we agreed that we were both right and that Summer and Young have a chance to contribute as rookies wherever they go. Now if we could just convince someone to let us draft for them Thursday night.
All joking aside, I have no earthly idea what happens Thursday night. Who does?
Too much can swing things on draft night. And we didn’t even get into the all the crazy scenarios that could happen if the Hawks were to find the right package to move the pick (and whatever else necessary) to shore up their depth issues at certain positions.
Nothing is outside of the realm of possibility right now, my friends. Nothing at all.
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O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
1:30 pm
I found this on ESPN.com (Bill Simmons), talking about the Clips. I didnt know Woody and Larry Drew go so far back. And Woody and BK go back too. I wonder if Woody only wants people on his bench who he is not worried about them taking his job…
“The following summer, they deal him to Sacramento (with Bridgeman and Franklin Edwards) for Larry Drew, Mike Woodson and a 1988 No. 1 pick”
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
1:30 pm
Rod, you may be right, but for our squad, Marvin is a piece to the puzzle….a cornerstone, a young asset….up and coming. RJ or Caron would just be rentals. Were not any closer to winning a title with either of tham, then we would be with Marvin. Last time I checked, Marvin was part of a 47-win squad.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
1:35 pm
Nire, for as one year deal, i would take RJ too.
OB, I would offer Marvin a 3-year deal, probably for around $24M. I’d try to convince him that his late season back injury left him with an incomplete grade. Maybe offer a team option on the 4th year. I think that would put him in the ballpark with Tayshaun and Josh Howard (maybe slightly below but close).
jerrywest
June 24th, 2009
1:40 pm
So many assets underutilized:
Chillz, Anderson, Acie, Speedy’s contract, 19th pick.
If we can’t pick up a superstar now for Marv+ or Smoove+ or Horf+, the GM/owners haven’t done a good job.
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
1:49 pm
Rod,
I like Marvin but I’m with you. I’m going with proven versus potential. Give me the guy (Caron or RJ) that avg 20pts for a season. At least I know they can get it done.
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
1:54 pm
OB,
I like MannyT idea when it comes to Marvin. Let him play next season on his qualifying offer (7.3). His performace and team succeess would determine whether he would be a Hawk going forward.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Or Marvin could choose to Abandon te Hawks because he felt jilted…..hey, I mean he would have every right to do that too….If we don’t extend him. That’s on Management, not on Marvin.
terrell barron
June 24th, 2009
2:05 pm
I thought Brandon Bass was unrestricted. How can he be traded?
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
2:08 pm
If Marvin plays out his QO offer, does he become unrestricted next year?
cp
June 24th, 2009
2:12 pm
Enter your comments here
Nookah
June 24th, 2009
2:12 pm
Why are we so agog about Caron? He’s good but how many games does he play per season? Why would you trade for a guy that is at the peak of his ability and 5 or 6 years older and is prone to injury? Marvin has shown steady improvement each year and nearly not as much injury prone. The problem with Marvin is that the expectations for him exceed the rate of his development. It is directly linked to where he was drafted.
If I’m an investor and I had to choose between these 2 assets, I’d certainly put my money into the one that shows a steady increase from year to year and also looking into the fact that MW has more years to “maturity”. I would think that my “revenue stream” would be longer and based on the current position would also suggest I will have a better ROI once the asset has reached it’s “useful life”.
IMO MW will continue to improve and I think it is imperative for our continuity that we sign him in this offseason.
Go Hawks anyway!!!!
cp
June 24th, 2009
2:13 pm
If Brandon Jennings falls to us at 19 I say we take him.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
2:16 pm
cp,
All the mock drafts have Jennins going in the lottery. I think the Hawks choices are more likely to be Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, and Ty Lawson.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
2:24 pm
OB, ESPN’s latest mock has Jennings falling to the Hawks.
Yes, if Marvin accepts his qaulifying offer then he becomes an UFA next summer. Chicago just went through the same with Ben Gordon. Gordon had a good season and a very good postseason and while he can re-sign with the Bulls, it sounds like the Pistons are going to go hard after him. If the Hawks allow Marvin to play things out to next summer, then Sund would be faced with having both Marvin and Joe as UFAs and making a decision about offering Horford an extension so that he doesn’t become a RFA in the summer of 2011. IMO, deal with Marvin this summer… either re-sign him or sign & trade him.
Rod from College Park
June 24th, 2009
2:27 pm
O’Brien,
“I like Marvin, but my problem with him is I dont think he has the passion (or drive) to be a #1 option. He was content being a 6th man, and always defers. He is a solid role player on a good team, thats all.”
I totally agree with that statement. That is why I don’t think you can pay this guy that much money. I personally would not pay him more than 4 or 5 million a year because he is a role player. Who is more important, Flip or Marvin? Really think about what Marvin does for us offensively. All we really ask for him to do is stand in the right corner and knock down open jumpshots. Occasionally he is asked to drive and try to finish. We honestly could draft a 3 in the draft who could give us what Marvin gives us for much less money. I can think of a whole bunch of guys in the league that play the 2 or three that could knock down open jumpshots. Hell in our offense Mike Dunleavy Jr. might put up better numbers. All you really need is a knock down jump shooter to fill that void as long as we keep running ISO Joe. I have stated before, that the 3 is probably the easiest position to play of all the positions, especially in our offense. Think about the playoffs, how we could not score enough points. We really need another proven scorer to compliment Joe and take the pressure off of Joe.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:27 pm
OB, yeah he’d be an unrestricted free agent next summer.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:34 pm
From Micah Hearts Twitter:
“Ty Lawson did indeed work out for us this morning, and looked good”
I can’t say i’m thrilled about Lawson, but if you guys like him so much then I guess there’s probably comething i’m missing….
Stating the Obvious
June 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
Rod, are you physically capable of making a post that doesn’t bash Marvin? You never talk about anyone else. Why are you so fixated on him?
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
Nookah, Exactly.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
Thanks Guys.
If Brandon Jennings is there when we pick, then I would draft him.
I think the Hawks and Marvin need a fresh start. As long as Marvin is here (and we have PG issues), he will always be remembered as the guy BK drafted instead of Chris Paul or Deron Williams. And we dont need a #2 pick to be our 4th or 5th option. I say do a sign and trade, and move him if possible.
However, if the Hawks plan on keeping Marvin, I think they should sign him to an extension this year. If we dont, then we could lose him next year and get nothing in return.
I also think we should sign JJ to an extension this summer, because if we lose him next summer, which big name free agent will want to come here?
Hawks need to be proactive, not reactive.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:39 pm
*Something
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
2:39 pm
Ariose,
Marvin is indeed part of a 47 win squad. And Adam Morrison is part of an NBA champion. Come on man, I get what you’re trying to say, but that’s a bit too much of a general statement, don’t you think?
Rod from College Park
June 24th, 2009
2:46 pm
Nookah,
He’s good but how many games does he play per season? Why would you trade for a guy that is at the peak of his ability and 5 or 6 years older and is prone to injury? Marvin has shown steady improvement each year and nearly not as much injury prone.
Caron played 67 games this year, and Marvin played 61. I would personally think that Marvin’s health going forward is more of a concern than Caron. Back injuries are serious. Believe it or not a guy that averages 6 more points a game over a season, and can command a double team is a much better investment than investing in a guy with potential. One asset is proven, and the other is unproven. With unproven assets you have the potential to get rich, but you also have the potential to lose everything. A proven asset normally (not in today’s economy) will bring consistent results. Once again this idea that his numbers have increased every year is a myth. Look it up. I won’t post it again. His numbers are down this year from last year. Just my 2 cents.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:50 pm
Ray, But Marvin was a big contributor on a good squad whereas Jefferson has been a key contributor on underachieveing squads for the past few seasons. I can’t say the same for Caron and the wizards. Every year they seem to overacheive to me…..I still don’t think their that talented lol. We’ll see how well they do without Eddie Jordans system…
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
If you’re keeping Marvin, then you find a way to expand his role, and you do so quickly.
I have nothing in particular against Marvin. Nice guy, and a game with potential. But if we’re going to continue making noise about how good he can be, and how he’s supposedly better than guys whose career averages are significantly higher than his, then we better be clamboring for him to be no less than a third option.
And while that would seem like a nice idea, do we realistically see that happening? Blame it on the coach, blame it on the player, makes no difference. The results are not there, and there is no indication that this is the plan (making him a 2nd or 3rd option on offense).
He can be traded based on his potential. Again, if he’s not in the big plans, then move him. Same would be said of Josh, and often is, right?
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:53 pm
Ray, his numbers are down but so were Ray Allens, KG, and Paul Peirce’s numbers in 07′-08′….but they won more games; and so did the Hawks.
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
2:54 pm
Ariose,
I’m not talking about the Wiz. I’m talking about Butler and Jefferson. Hey man, 20ppg or near it is something we’d be raving about if Marvin was giving us that kind of production. Tell me we wouldn’t….but somebody else is doing it, and we discount that or chalk it up to any number of reasons EXCEPT the skill of the player.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Ray, If I was the coach i’d do that in a hearbeat. Unfortunately for us Hawks fans, the WAFFLE man reigns supreme….
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
2:58 pm
Ariose,
Whose numbers were down? Lost me…
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
2:59 pm
Astro,
I think the problem with making a decision on Marvin this summer, is his body of work up to this point. I’m not sure if he gonna blossom into a valuable/all-star player or morph at the level he’s at now. If he play this season and become a major piece to the core, then we still has his bird rights and can outbid other teams. But I would admit, this may not be the best option. However, I think it would be even worse if the Hawks offer him a big contract and he doesn’t play up to it. At worst, I guess we could sign him to a 3yr contract..
Rod from College Park
June 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
Stating the Obvious,
Rod, are you physically capable of making a post that doesn’t bash Marvin? You never talk about anyone else. Why are you so fixated on him?
I have made many posts defending Josh and bashing Woodson. My personal opinion is that Marvin, is one of the main problems with this team, and beleive it or not, I am 100% positive that some people that work for, play for, and have financial interest in the Hawks, actually read this blog. Hopefully this will influence them to see what I see and get rid of this guy. Also, If I am correct this is a blog, and I have the right to post what I feel, and that is what I do. I am sure Sekou would take it down if he felt a certain way about it. Hope that answers your question. Imagine if Marvin turned out to be Danny Granger. Do you think we would have been swept agianst Cleveland? I don’t. I am positive that when the Hawks drafted him, that is the caliber player they thought we were getting, not a average role player.
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
3:01 pm
True that. That’s why I said “blame the player or coach, your pick”…
doc
June 24th, 2009
3:01 pm
hate to interrupt this program on the draft however a riveting interview just ended with bernie mullins the x head of operations for the basg. he stopped short of saying he doesnt know how wadell still has his job based on performance and essentially said billy knight was as good a person to work with he could have found. yup that is what he said, sorry guys. he also wasnt high on steve and said if they had taken the road belkin wanted they wouldnt have had sponsers for the team nor a fan base of season ticket owners to keep the team above water. he also said belkin was the guy who brought him into the picture, is smart but he had to side with the others and agree in principle to what they wanted in a 5 year program. he hinted that bk was held back by funding however said if they had wanted or felt ai was the man he would have gotten the money. he gave a list of people folks felt high on, where he avoided them and brought in some pretty good players in the end. curry and dalembert were two he specifically said that they avoided in spite of folks desire to bring them in at any cost … fans, reporters, etc. he also said bk had his ideas and kept to them to his detriment.
good stuff on 680 this pm. check the site to see if they posted it yet.
kwooden1
June 24th, 2009
3:01 pm
Wizards Trade: Someone has already said that the Wizards are going to make more moves. I hope they do because otherwise they still never solved their rebound and defensive problems. Songaila could at least play the PF and rebound sometimes. Jamison rebounds fine but can’t defend the PF position. The Wizards cleared some salary next year, but it wasn’t a hugh move. Overall, I think the trade was fine, but it doesn’t scare me. Last year, Philly acquiring Brand scared me!
If NBADraft.net holds true (appears to be the most sited mock draft right now), I would take Blair over Teague. Need to get another rebounder on the team, someone with toughness! Then worry about keeping Flip and Bibby during the rest of the summer.
GO HAWKS!!
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
3:04 pm
Ray, you and Rod have a point. B/C Rudy is putting up 20+ for the Grizz and I would give up marvin without a second thought to get him here. At the same time, Rudy is younger than Caron and Jefferson, but the logic is similar.
I would just hate for us to be in a position where we give up marvin, and caron really starts to show his increasing age in a yer or two. Meanwhile, Marvin is blowing up. I mean dud is just playing his role on a winnig squad. If we were talking about a college squad(hansbrough and UNC come to mind) no one would have a problem with Marvin’s contributions.
I am all for Marvin being more assertive/aggressive. I thought he made some considerable progress in that department this year; creating more off the dribble, expanding his range, being more agressive on the glass and down in the blocks, and challenging other premier small forward offensively(Peirce, Lebron, and Carmelo specifically).
If it makes the team better, then i’m all for it. I just don’t want a move like that to hurt this francise in the long run: Danny Manning/Isiah Rider….
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
Ray, I was reffering to the comments you made to Nookah about Marvins stats being the same or slightly lower compared to the previous season.
terrell barron
June 24th, 2009
3:10 pm
Imus, why would Boston want Marvin, when they’ve got Pierce?
reedeak
June 24th, 2009
3:11 pm
If we do not pursue Bosh or another scorer we will continue to mull around in mediocrity.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
3:12 pm
Rod, while I understand your premise, remember that marvin barely played in the Cleveland series’ because of a wrist injury…..
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
3:12 pm
Rod,
The way I see it, Marvin has talent. He is NOT however, a 2nd or 3rd scoring option. Josh is our 2nd scoring option, but he is not a SOLID 2nd scoring option, at least not until he is able to refine his game and consistently do what he is good at (has a plethora of go-to moves that work). But the fact remains that he is our 2nd scoring option.
Now whether that tells us more about the player or the system he plays in, is certainly up for debate. To me it’s not either/or, it’s both. Tell ya what else: I believe that a very talented player is simply a very talented player, and cannot be suppressed. Everybody else has to be developed over longer courses of time, because they simply aren’t as special.
Marvin was picked like he was special. He’s not. He is fairly solid, and may turn out to be good. But he’s not going to be great. Greatness is present in a player already, it cannot be developed. It can only be polished and/or refined. No offense to Marvin or anybody who likes him, but I don’t see the greatness, and I’m not totally convinced that he’s going to be “good.” Sorry, but the proof is in the pudding.
I believe he can be nearly as good as a guy like Danny Granger (probably won’t score as much, and Granger did that with no J. O’Neal or Mike Dunleavy around), but an all-star? Might be stretching it. We shall see.
Again, he’s talented. And he IS young. But we better figure out now if we can reasonably expand his role or not. If not, then prepare to move him, because he’s going to want more dough than he might be worth.
terrell barron
June 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
Rod, Marvin was injured when we played Cleveland. If you want to balme someone for getting swept, blame Woody, JJ, and Bibby. Our so called leaders.
terrell barron
June 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
If Marvin goes to a team where he’s the #1 or #2 option, he’s going to make you guys pay. Especially if he has a REAL COACH, WHO KNOWS HOW TO UTILIZE HIM CORRECTLY. Mark my words. I’m not saying he’s going to be great, but he’s going to be pretty damm good. Did you guys see him play when JJ was injured? He looked like a totally different guy out there. Actually, he looked like the best player on the team during that stretch. And this is coming from a guy who has killed him as much as anyone. I put most of the blame on Woody, and his all backcourt, all the time offense.
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
Ariose,
I honestly don’t remember saying anything to Nookah lately, but I do notice that Marvin’s stats were a bit down. So were most of his teammates’ but that was due to the addition of Bibby, and the amount of shots/production/involvement he has. Besides, Marvin has yet to average a solid 15ppg in a year, so going down by a single point per game is hardly a significant drop off.
I’m not sold on a Marvin for Caron trade unless we’re making a run at something (and I don’t mean another 47 win season, either). Caron is a more complete player who is producing, but he’s also older. There would have to be another “big” piece in place before I’d want to pull the trigger on that trade, to be honest. I like Caron if the money and rest of the deal is right. I’d want more than just Caron, I’d want another useable piece, while understanding that we would have to move additional pieces ourselves.
It’s not going to happen anyway, so no point in arguing about it, and I don’t think it’s the best deal we could do. But what do I know?
Finally, I don’t want to trade anybody away and have it hurt us over the long term either. Nor do I want to waste a perfectly useable player/asset.
And you know if we trade Marvin away and he becomes the promised 20ppg scorer, we’ll all wail like sick banshees.
….well, all maybe except Rod.
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
3:28 pm
Terrell,
Ha! Marvin’s gonna make WHO pay? Us? We’re a bunch of bloggers! Oh, we’ll piss and moan, and cry about if only Woody had used him better, but other than that, we’re not paying a dang thing. LOL…
Stating the Obvious
June 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
Sorry, Rod. I’m pretty damned sure that if the Hawks brass read this post, they don’t give a rat’s butt about someone who pretty much never posts except to bash a single player. It’s your opinion that Marvin is a mere role player – and dunno if you noticed, but you’re pretty much alone in your assessment of him. So if they do read this blog, they’ll probably take the majority opinion that Marvin is a very good player who is misused in Woody’s offense rather than your view that he is a “role player.”
Don’t kid yourself. 98% of your posts have been bashing Marvin. That’s why most people never bother replying to you.
ant banks
June 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
BIG RAY, ARIOSE, TERRELL, DOC,
what in the blazes is wrong with rondo? celts have been shoppin’ him everywhere. is he that poisonous. can garnett not control him? damn!! would the celts take acie and 19 straight up for rondo? would you guys sign off on that?
niremetal
June 24th, 2009
3:42 pm
Ray,
I actually have a bet with a friend that Marvin will average at least 18ppg if he goes to another team next year. It’s one bet I hope I lose…or rather, one I hope never even becomes a concern.
Remember Boris Diaw…
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
3:42 pm
Ray, I meant Rod lol….my bad hehehehe…
niremetal
June 24th, 2009
3:43 pm
Ant,
I’d sure as hell sign off on that, even though I’m not infatuated with Rondo. At the very least, he’d be an excellent PG rotation with Bibby – each of their strengths is the other’s weaknesses.
MannyT
June 24th, 2009
3:45 pm
doc, thanks for the Bernie Mullins info. I’ll look for that interview later tonight.
Ariose, you remembered the WAFFLE! Makes me smile. But to be fair, I am holding my tongue on Woody at least until Thanksgiving. I am waiting for his summer confessions, which will probably be fewer this year due to the team’s success. I still think he will talk about some change he needs to make in July/August that will be long forgotten before Christmas.
I’ll temporarily accept niremetal’s premise that Sund can dial up a better draft pick if he stays off the centers. I am a big advocate of BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at 19. No, you should not expect the guy to start, but hopefully he can contribute. If Sund wants a big, he will probably get a pass on taking a big in the 2nd round or as a free agent pick up.
Melvin, I am not too worried about Marvin’s ability, but I am concerned about his back. That’s why I think the 1 yr tender is wise for the Hawks. A bad back can take you from hero to zero in the blink of an eye. If he’s healthy, we will miss him once he is gone.
Ray, keep in mind that some guys are great and other guys can be very good in the right system. Unless you have a time machine the whole Marvin vs the PGs is done. For all the whining in Blogtopia, it is not Marvin’s fault that he was drafted at 2. Is he worth his price? Last summer, Sund said Chills wasn’t worth his price until he knew he could underbid.
mini rant!!!! If you think any employee is worth say 50K, it is easy to offer him 100K AFTER someone else offers him 150K. Last summer you get the sense that this is what happened to Chills here. What is Marvin worth to Sund?? That is a very tricky question when most of your team is now unrestricted free agents. Sund actually has a reason to pay less attention to his one RFA this summer. mini rant ends!!!
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