Psycho-T brings the pain
Tyler Hansbrough didn't leave anything on the floor after his workout with the Hawks Sunday morning at Philips Arena. The rugged North Carolina forward is a a player to keep an eye on this week with the Hawks drafting 19th in Thursday's NBA draft.
HAWKSVILLE - The reviews were unanimous.
On 10-point scale, Tyler Hansbrough’s Sunday morning workout for the Hawks at Philips Arena ranks at the very top of anything conducted in the past five days.
It wasn’t any one thing in particular that had the Hawks’ coaches buzzing. It was everything. Hansbrough’s energy, effort and obviously better-than-advertised shooting and athleticism caught more than a few folks in attendance by surprise.
“He kicked the meter up. It was off the Richter Scale,” said Hawks assistant coach Larry Drew, who ran the team’s workouts all week. “That was one of those 8.0s, one of those quick, hard earthquakes. Because his energy is at another level. You just don’t see many players capable of playing with that type of energy and effort and can sustain it through a game, or even a workout. He plays at a totally different level than some of these young guys out here.”
I felt like I needed an ice bath after watching his 90-minute workout. But Hansbrough proved a theory that a wise Eastern Conference executive reiterated to me Sunday night, “effort is a skill in the NBA.” And Hansbrough has it in reserve.
Alade Aminu (Stephenson High and Georgia Tech) and Shawn Taggart (Memphis) were the other bigs on hand Sunday. And they were also impressive in the individual drills and two-on-two work that was done. But Hansbrough’s refusal to go at anything but full bore during the entire workout had everyone buzzing afterwards.
Love him or hate him, and Hansbrough laughed about the fact that he’s inspired the masses to do either one or the other and sometimes both, he’s going to do it his way. And the truth is the Hawks could do a lot worse with the 19th pick. But they probably won’t have to worry about Hansbrough there, as I haven’t spoken to anyone anywhere that believes he’ll still be on the board when the Hawks are on the clock Thursday night.
“If this kid is still there at 19, the Hawks better not hesitate,” another Eastern Conference executive told me Sunday afternoon. “The kid’s a dream for coaches in our league, because he’s going to come in and crank things up automatically. He’s just wired differently than most of these other guys.”
That’s the real problem with a pick that late. You can project who you think might be there and evaluate accordingly, but there’s no way of knowing who will be around by then on draft night. One glitch on the draft board in the early lottery can swing the draft in a totally different direction than projected.
The Hawks sent things sideways in 2004 when they took Josh Childress ahead of Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala – defying most mock drafts that had those other two guys going ahead of Childress.
And anytime one player rises and is picked ahead of projection, someone else falls and lands in the lap of an unsuspecting team like the Hawks (who have no doubt done their due diligence throughout this process by examining all the possibilities).
DaJuan Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. Too bad he didn't get a chance to workout for the Hawks while he was in town last week (a sprained ankle sidelined him).
Check any mock draft you want and go over the list of names where the Hawks are picking and there are either guys you draft on potential (Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, who acquitted himself well in his workout Saturday, or Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, who did the same a day earlier) or seasoned college guys that will be needle pushers as rookies (guys like Hansbrough, Pitt’s Sam Young, Louisville’s Terrence Williams and Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, all of whom the Hawks have had face time with throughout the process).
The usual anxiety surrounding the Hawks at draft time doesn’t really seem necessary this year, at least the way I see it. The Hawks’ heavy lifting is going to come in free agency – and that’s where Hansbrough and all the bigger guys on the short list I’ve detailed above come in handy. Follow me now. When the Hawks lost Josh Childress to Greece last summer, they didn’t have a ready replacement for a 6-8 guy with his skills and seasoning, mostly because they didn’t have a draft pick to use on a player of that ilk. Say, for the sake of my theory, that the Hawks are unable to keep all their free agents. Don’t you think another cat with size and versatility might come in handy next season, even if he’s just a situational rotation player as a rookie?
While I didn’t agree with the notion that drafting 6-8 to 6-9 players ever year now matter what would lead a team from 13-win seasons to the playoffs, I can see the wisdom in taking players that fit that mold if you’re in the best-player-available mode on draft night and picking outside of the lottery. It’s just wise to have your roster well-stocked with a couple Trevor Ariza/Mickael Pietrus/Linas Kleiza types. I think the entire league realizes that now after the playoffs.
FROM THE DO YOUR HOMEWORK FILES …
A quick aside from the Hawks-themed portion of the program requires us to look across the pond fro a moment.
Flooding Europe with scouts from every NBA team has finally caught up to the league and to the crop of talent. The Euro harvest is expected to be extremely thin Thursday night.
Jonathan Abrams of the New York Times had a staggering statistic in his story about the sudden change in philosophy regarding drafting European (and really international) prospects:
“Teams appear to be straying from the recent trend of drafting overseas players because many of them have not lived up to expectations. Of the 39 international players selected in the first round since 2002 with no prior experience playing in the United States, only Yao Ming has surfaced as an All-Star. In that same time, 14 of 171 American players drafted in the first round made at least one All-Star team.”
Math was never my best subject in school, but I know crazy numbers when I see them. And that’s craziness.
OTHER LASTING IMPRESSIONS WERE MADE DURING WORKOUT WEEK, including a stellar showing by a guy not getting any first round buzz. Keep LSU combo guard Garrett Temple in mind in the second round. He’s going to make someone a nice player wherever he is drafted (provided he is drafted, and if not, he’ll be a good free agent pick up for some team). I remember watching him shut J.J. Redick down at the Georgia Dome during LSU’s run to the Final Four a few years back. He’s got NBA height for his position but his frame is need of some bulk to stand up the type of pounding he could endure at the pro level. But he’s got every tool you want in a player and he’ll compete with anyone.
Another guy the Hawks had in that made an impression me was Lester Hudson, a 6-3, 200-pound bull from Tennessee-Martin that refused to let anyone slow him down in his workout. He’s the kind of feisty guard that NBA teams love to have coming off their bench to wreak havoc on opposing defenses and to harass opposing point guards. And you talk about a guy breaking down walls to reach his goals, tell me Hudson hasn’t done exactly that after reading this from my man Chris Low from ESPN.com.
Fearless seems like an appropriate description of Lester Hudson's game.
Jonesboro’s Toney Douglas (Florida State) was by far the most tenacious defender in attendance all week. He didn’t miss an opportunity to mix it up in the drills I watched. I can see why folks have been gushing about him as a potential, Ben Gordon-like combo guard. But he’s a defender like Gordon wishes he was (granted, few guards this size on the planet can score from the distance and in the variety of ways Gordon does). Still, whatever team nabs Douglas on draft night will have happy coaches and fans that will appreciate his in-your-face style.
Summers is my sleeper pick for the draft. I got into a heated debate with my man JB “Beans” Beckett Sunday about Summer and Young. After watching some film clips of both, including some of their head-to-head matchup from the season, we agreed that we were both right and that Summer and Young have a chance to contribute as rookies wherever they go. Now if we could just convince someone to let us draft for them Thursday night.
All joking aside, I have no earthly idea what happens Thursday night. Who does?
Too much can swing things on draft night. And we didn’t even get into the all the crazy scenarios that could happen if the Hawks were to find the right package to move the pick (and whatever else necessary) to shore up their depth issues at certain positions.
Nothing is outside of the realm of possibility right now, my friends. Nothing at all.
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Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:23 am
EVEN MORE WAYNE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8DwoDxmOA
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
2:26 am
ELLINGTON WIT THA OOP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcgzkfn2KEs&feature=related
Clyde
June 24th, 2009
3:37 am
Hey Sekou I thought you had Beyonce on your list? Now you got Keri Hilson? Keri is fine but I’ll take her older sister. I think her name is Kayce. Here is my top 5 females.
1.Stacy Dash
2.Pam Grier
3.Melyssa Ford
4.Beverly Johnson
5.Keri Hilson’s older sister
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
7:04 am
Nire,
Maybe the Wiz made those trades so they can make up for their fake-ass all-star SF who has no business putting up those kinds of numbers with a physique and skill set like that. After all, he led the league in open looks per 20ppg scored…or something like that. I’m sure Hollinger has a stat category for it.
Sekou,
I watched Terminator Salvation. Loved it. Nice pick on Moon Bloodgood. Very nice indeed. Woo!
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
7:29 am
O’brien,
Really, it’s kinda funny. Standing pat is the trendy thing to do where the Hawks are concerned. What never ceases to amaze me is how people will say the East is weak when we’re talking about our growth and improvement as compared to other Eastern Teams. But the minute we mention how a team or player performs in the West, they then want to say that the West is no big deal, and that the East is powerful. Can’t have it both ways (though some people seem to just live that way).
I’m not saying that all these moves that teams are making are going to make them significantly better, or better than us. Lord knows the usual straw-chewing men are waiting to attack that statment.
It’s easy to criticize Washington for the moves they made. But it’s highly presumptuous to think they are done making moves. Where some see a glut of personnel at one or two positions, others see depth, options, and better opportunity at asset management. The Wiz now have more contracts and useable assets they can play with. Simply put, an asset’s value is not just in what that player brings to the team on the floor, but also what his contract does for you (if expiring or reasonable), and what he may bring you in trade, that you need.
Teams are getting better around us. They may not get better than us this year. But if we keep going forward with the mindset that they won’t (regardless of what happened last year), we will find ourselves behind. No panic attacks needed, or moves made for the sake of making a move. Again, this is always bait for the usual straw-muching fools. But asset managment is a full-time job, and often the difference between a consistently successful franchise and….well, NOT.
Sekou,
Simply signing all of our free agents and leaving it at that will not cut it. For one thing, we haven’t shown the ability to do that. We had two restricted free agents last year, and we lost one while matching an offer for the second. I’m not going to debate the how/why of losing the former, nor am I going to get into the semantics of the situation surrounding the latter. I just don’t care to at this point. But no matter how you slice it, that’s going 1 for 2.
If we bat .500 this year, how will THAT turn out (pick the ones you want to keep vs. the ones we lose). I just don’t see us signing all our free agents, and I’m not so sure that isn’t a good thing. Lord knows if we keep all of our guys, we have the same team with no improvements, the same gameplan (unless Woody changes it), the same problems, and the same excuses.
But we won’t have the same win total or playoff positioning. That, I am sure of, unless some fundamental changes are made. Changes I’m not expecting.
G-Man
June 24th, 2009
7:50 am
Hey guys this new article on Hoopsworld said that we developed an affinity for Jeff Teague recently.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13017
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 24th, 2009
8:01 am
This draft may well turn out to be the 2000 Draft 2.0, but this has been one of the most entertaining pre-draft weeks I’ve seen. Four letters now as Brandon Jennings falling to the Hawks at 19. This from a guy who has been as high as 4 on a number of mocks. Crazy, crazy draft.
I just checked out that link on the top 20 busts from SI. The idea that “when in doubt, draft bigs” should be shot out the window because the vast majority of guys on that list, were, bigs. When they do that top 20 in another five years, they can add Sheldon. Honestly, he’s a much bigger bust than Jon Koncak. At least Big K was a decent roll player for a number of years. …
Back to the Hawks, who knows what in the world they are going to do with pick. I have a gut feeling they will hold the pick at least until they see who falls to them. If the guys they have targeted are off the board? A stash pick? A trade? Sell the pick for some walking around money?
mountain_jim
June 24th, 2009
8:47 am
Ariose – Is your CAPS key stuck on or do you just feel the need to yell and garner maximum attention for your near-continuous posting stream?
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
8:51 am
More predictions that the Hawks will have a slow to no action pack summer…
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13017
G-Man
June 24th, 2009
9:03 am
Melvin,
Beat ya to it!
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 24th, 2009
9:14 am
Melvin –
If HoopsWorld is on point – and given the long-standing opinions of many here, they probably are – I, in pure speculation, wonder if Portland might be an interesting participant. They have a lot of young, relatively inexpensive, talent and have expressed some want to improve at the three. Would they have interest in Marvin and #19 (and Law?) for some of their talented, but spare parts? Outlaw/Webster and Fernandez/Bayless? It could expand to include a salary swap of Speedy and Pryzbilla (one more year than Speedy).
Would Portland see Marvin as an upgrade over Outlaw or a healthy Webster? Would they give up on Fernandez/Bayless versus pushing Blake? Would they want to include the Speedy and Pryzbilla to clear more salary?
Either way, it would address a couple of needs for the Hawks, not the least of which would be salary.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
9:19 am
mountain_jim, that was my “inverse doc” last night lol. you should try it. it’s very theraputic lol.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
9:21 am
Clyde, beleive me, I had a hard time to not putting melissa Ford in starting rotation lol!
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
9:45 am
About this hoopsworld stuff. This Is why I said it was more important for atlanta to build their bench through the draft with good players like Ellington,Danny Green, and Patrick Mills. Because the hawks will not have much menuverability in Free Agency. I think it is paramount that weaquire another draft pick or two and get some quality players.
Gerlald Green at 800k would be a cheap and very good insurance policy/addition to the squad because of his athletic ability and potential. I would have loved for us to have aquired Anthony Parker as well ths off-season but it doesn’t look possible…
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
9:55 am
Looks like the Hawks may need to part ways with Speedy(duh), MO Evans, and Randolph Morris…
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
9:59 am
Chad Ford now has Brandon Jennings falling into our lap at #19. It seems like that would give us some incredible leverage if that is true. I’m not sure that I want such a young PG on the squad but another team may be willing to give us value for that pick.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:14 am
….not gonna happen. I hope it doesn’t either….ELLINGTON ALL DAY!!!!! MAKE IT RAIN!!!!!!
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
10:15 am
Astro,
If Jennings falls to us at #19, thank the Gods. Keep the kid and develop him. Three years from now (if not a year sooner) the Hawks would be known for getting the steal of the 2009 draft. That kid has the skills and game that could be the face of a franchise if utilize and develop correctly…
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
10:18 am
G-Man,
I wouldn’t challenge you to a gun showdown. Don’t want to be in that pine box…
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:21 am
…..not gonna happen….
Brent
June 24th, 2009
10:24 am
Don’t be surprised if we draft Hansbrough and trade Josh Smith for a center or PG.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
10:25 am
Off the draft topic for a second. Pretty scary some of the articles I’m reading about how teams are looking to cut expenses. Reportedly, Detroit may try to use one less assistant coach next season (and some other teams are doing the same) and San Antonio & New Jersey are reducing their scouting department. Instead of scouting a team a few days before they play that team, they will rely on a third party scouting agency to provide some information. I guess that makes some sense. An independent firm could load a database with the trends of teams in the past 3-5 games and any team could pay a price to access that information (and not have to pay the salary of a scout).
As I have said ad nauseum, I won’t blame the ASG (or any business owner) for reducing expenses in this economic down-turn. I won’t question their desire to win or their financial resolve (that was proven in my estimation when the economy was good). But with players getting younger, coaching staffs getting smaller and scouting staffs shrinking, one wonders if the on-court product will likewise suffer (across the league). It’s hard to imagine that it won’t suffer.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:27 am
Patrick Mills is faster(jennings is not fast) and better….
ant banks
June 24th, 2009
10:42 am
ARIOSE,
i see the video on ellington and i agree that he is a beast and we can use him wit’ the hawks, but if you and i think that he is beastin’ wouldn’t 18 other teams think the same thing?
and further more, if he is that good, why won’t he be grabbed during the 1st 10?
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
10:45 am
Ariose,
I know you like Mills but if Jennings falls we gotta take him. With his flashy style of play, he’s gonna sell jerseys and put butts in seats. And thats just as important to a franchise just like winning is. See Astro Joe post at 10:25am if you don’t think these owners are looking at revenue.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
10:47 am
I am holding out hope that the Hawks will make a move before the draft. Trade #19, Speedy and filler (or Acie, Speedy and filler) for somebody that can help us immediately.
As far as cutting costs, I saw an article that suggested that the Miami Heat may only carry 13 players next season. I would not be surprised if the Hawks only go with 13 or 14 as well.
Maybe the Hawks will cut back on their scouting too, because it all comes down to Woody (and we all know about his game plan and lack of adjustments).
I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY
June 24th, 2009
10:47 am
Lets just keep it simple….. Terrence Willianms/Sam Young at #19……..Lester Hudson/Toney Douglas/Garret Siller at #49- which ever is available.
I Luv it san Antonio is back in the mix, now all thety need to do is sign a big man …….. RJ adds sum serious fire power to go along with the big 3 and Roger Mason/George Hill. Milwaukee will keep sessions and add a Sg in the draft-We should still go after Charlie V.
If we dont make any substantial moves this summer I think we will be fighting for a playoff spot next season 6-8 spot, Bulls,Washington,Nets Miami will all be better.
What would we give up for rondo…Hmmmm How about Marvin and Acie…or Marvin and a future pick.
Minnesot finally woke up and dumped evin Mchale……. 5 and 6 Well dam…….. Tyreke Evans and Curry will be a nasty back court….Jeezuz man a 6′5 pg with a 7′0 wing span
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
10:48 am
ant, no way. they can’tafford to pass up on the next big thing(like we did with chris paul) it would be a PR nightmare. especially sinceall the teams above us are lottery/sorry teams…
I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY
June 24th, 2009
10:49 am
kevin …I need cooffee
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
10:49 am
If I was Minny, I wouldn’t over leverage trying to get Ricky Rubio b/c John Wall is only one summer away. Just watch how many teams will tank after the all-star break or look to acquire draft picks just to get a better chance of landing next year number 1 pick in the John Wall sweepstakes. That kid is going to be a cash cow if he dominate the NCAA like he did high school…
Rod from College Park
June 24th, 2009
10:53 am
Ariose,
“RJ is not better than Marvin Anyway. If Jefferson was the FIFTH OPTION on THIS SQUAD like MARVIN, theres NO WAY you would get 15pts and 7 rebounds out of him. He hasn’t been the same since Kidd left Jersey. Guess he forgot how to score on his own…”
I hope this was a joke. The thing is, if he was on the Hawks, he would be not be the fifth option. He might be the first option. He can shoot like Joe, but he also can drive and finish. Marvin is the fifth option, because he is the 5 or 6th best player on the team. I would put Flip ahead of him. RJ,Gay or Butler would be a tremendous upgrade.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
10:54 am
Melvin, here’s ESPN’s view on next year’s draft.
While most NBA pundits talk glowingly about the free-agent class of 2010, the college basketball world is smitten with the vast amount of returning talent in its game. Potential lottery picks Greg Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Willie Warren, Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbitt, Jerome Jordan, Evan Turner, James Anderson, Kyle Singler, Craig Brackins, Ed Davis, Kalin Lucas and Jarvis Varnado will be joined by a much-better freshman class (John Wall, Avery Bradley, Renardo Sidney, Derrick Favors just to name a few) in what surely will be a very deep draft. ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla has called this year’s draft class the worst in 25 years. Listen to those who know and get a pick from a potential lottery team for next year.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
10:57 am
RJ is not anything more than a solid 3rd option. When he had a chance to do more in NJ a few years back, he and the team were pretty lousy. Marvin may very well end up being very much like RJ, but right now, he’s younger, bigger and cheaper. So in my opinion, he’s a better value than RJ.
Clyde
June 24th, 2009
11:05 am
Who’s going to the draft party?
Mitch
June 24th, 2009
11:14 am
I think if the Hawks stay put at #19, they will take one of these 4 ACC players: Lawson, Ellington, Hansbrough or Teague. Lawson would make the most sense because he brings elite speed to a young team that should play with speed more than it does. The next in line is Teague because he can shoot just as well from the perimeter as Ellington and Teague has a better all-around floor game. Ellington can shoot and be a deep threat if Bibby is not re-signed. But Ellington was not an effective slasher at UNC, and the Hawks need slashers, especially ones that can draw and dish or kick. Hansbrough has the hunger any coach wants…and he thrives at the foulline, but he won’t get nearly as many of the foul calls he did in college…and one has to wonder how well he can defense the 4 spot…he actually might be better defending the 5, but at 6′9″ that would be iffy. He does have the strength and the competitive desire, no question, and he would help the fast break as he will be super hungry to get his points in transition.
My guess is the pick will be Teague. Lawson will go much earlier than expected (might even crack the top 12), and Hansbrough will go in the mid to late teens.
As for Teague, he’s only had two years of college. He shot lights-out at times this past year from NBA range, and he worked well within the Deacons’ schemes. The worry is whether Mike Woodson will tear him down or build him up. Woodson seems to have no patience with rookies.
As for the signings, aside from the must re-signing of Marvin Williams (this kid has made steady improvement each year and was becoming a go-to shooter from the corner at crunch time before he got injured), the two I see happening for sure are Flip and Zaza. I think they will let Bibby walk (unless he accepts a contract in the area of $5M) and the Hawks will sign a perimeter shooter.
Now here’s the one hunch that might be wrong, but, I think that if the Hawks could get a center or a very good point guard (or both) for JJ, they would trade JJ. It would seem unlikely as JJ is heading into the last year of his contract..unless a team thinks he is their one missing piece.
An intriguing scenario, IMO, would be to trade JJ for a center and a chance to switch picks in the draft so as to move up to take Lawson. Get back to building this team off speed. A center would clean the glass and get the break started. JSmoove and HoFo rushing up the wings and Lawson pushing the ball, with Marvin or Flip setting up for three…wow.
Mike Woodson did a much better job with the half court offense this past year…save the same one-on-one standing around in crunch times, which remains a real issue…but this young team needs to run like the Suns of three to four years ago. Adding a glass cleaner and a speedy point guard would be a boon. Wonder if Rick Sund sees it that way?
newkid
June 24th, 2009
11:27 am
Melvin, while I’ve only seen him maybe 6-8 times, but I’m already very intrigued by John Wall. What an entertaining year this could be in college basketball. Then imagine a team positioning itself in the 2010 draft in the manner Minnesota has done so far this year. If Marvin is moved in an SNT this summer, gotta hope we get an unprotected 1st rounder in ‘10 in the deal.
Melvin
June 24th, 2009
11:35 am
Astro,
Next year draft is going to be deep, especially if alot of those underclassmen declare….
Newkid,
Again, watch them teams tank after the All-Star break…
Big Ray
June 24th, 2009
11:35 am
From the standpoint of age and money, Marvin is a better value.
However, it is not lost on me that we can only HOPE Marvin’s deferential self can evolve into what Richard Jefferson is: a career 18 and 5 guy.
Now, I’m sure that somebody will say that it was all about playing with Jason Kidd and what not. But that doesn’t explain how he managed 20 and 5 in Milwaukee this past season. Oh wait, I know. It was because Redd was injured. There’s always an excuse or justification, so I probably just wasted all my breath…
Not that I’m lamenting us not getting a guy like Jefferson, but right about I’d be HAPPY to have a solid 3rd option, and ecstatic to have a solid 2nd option. I may talk up Josh Smith as our current second option, but the word “solid” doesn’t quite belong in that conversation just yet…
Astro Joe,
Excellent post at 10:25 a.m. Very good points.
O’brien,
I’m holding out the same hope you are. Otherwise, we’ll be in front of the tv tomorrow evening, watching the dog and pony show.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:40 am
Rod, the point is, for the amount of $$$ Richard Jefferson get’s paid, he is severly underachiving and has been for years. I’ll give you Rudy, i’ve campaigned ofr him myself on this blog; but it’s a no for Jefferson and Butler. They are older, slower, and Marvin plays better defense than both of them. They are both also VERY injury prone. They ONLY average a few more points then MARVIN and they get TONS of plays ran for them. Marvin gets 15 & 7 easy without ever hearing his name called for a play.
It’s not a joke, Marvin is better.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:44 am
If Jefferson or Butler were on this squad, they would be third options behiend Bibby and Joe. Even then, they won’t do much better than Marvin(if that) in this system.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:45 am
Did I mention Marvin is younger, Bigger, and plays better defense? yeah…
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:51 am
When was the last time Butler was on a 47 win team? Oh thats right, NEVER!!!Check it.
Ariose
June 24th, 2009
11:53 am
Until his squad wins 47+ his stats are fools gold to me….”Gilbo and the Gimpy knee crew lol”
niremetal
June 24th, 2009
12:09 pm
Astro Joe,
If it were a “take the guy for one year” deal, I’d take RJ over Marvin right now (unlike Caron). But then again, we haven’t seen Marvin in any role besides “wait for JJ’s bail out pass,” so it’s tough to say.
Rod from College Park
June 24th, 2009
12:21 pm
We agree to disagree. Marvin does not play better defense, can’t dribble and drive, does not shoot better, never commands a double team, can’t guard 2 positions, the 2 and the 3, can’t finish better, has never been an all-star, does not get to the line more, is more injury prone, is not as consistent, has never played big in the playoffs, and will never be a 1 or 2 option on his team. The money aspect is correct, but you will have to pay anybody who puts up almost 20 points per game. If Jefferson played for the Hawks, he would be the first or second option. He would get the ball before Bibby, because he can create his own shot anytime he wants.
reedeak
June 24th, 2009
1:11 pm
If the Hawks are serious about becomming a contender we have to go after Bosh! Al,Acie,and 19th pick for Bosh. Then sign Bibby and trade for Rafer. Keep Marvin or trade for Butler(either way). Resign Flip,zaza,and solo. Hope that Toney Douglas or Meeks falls to our 2nd round pick.
PG: Rafer,Flip
SG: Joe, Toney Douglas
SF:Marvin(butler),Mo evans
PF:Josh,Solo
C:Bosh,Zaza
This would be a pretty complete team.
O'Brien
June 24th, 2009
1:17 pm
If we were to sign Marvin to a long term deal this off-season, how much do we think he is worth? His qualifying offer is $7.3 mil, and I would offer 4/5 years, $7 mil per.
I like Marvin, but my problem with him is I dont think he has the passion (or drive) to be a #1 option. He was content being a 6th man, and always defers. He is a solid role player on a good team, thats all.
G-Man
June 24th, 2009
1:19 pm
I heard a Marco Bellineli and jarmareo davidson for brandon bass trade just went down.
G-Man
June 24th, 2009
1:21 pm
But for fairness sake it wasn’t a reliable source.
Astro Joe
June 24th, 2009
1:29 pm
G-Man, I think Bass is a free agent and therefore can’t be traded until free agency starts in July.