Let the workouts begin
The Hawks will get a closer look at Wake Forest's Jeff Teague (left) and North Carolina's Wayne Ellington this week. The Hawks are scheduled to host workouts at Philips Arena today through the weekend with the June 25 NBA draft just days away.
HAWKSVILLE - After weeks of relative silence on the Hawks’ workout front, things are going to kick up dramatically today and through the weekend.
The Hawks have a full slate of workouts scheduled at Philips Arena, with players of all shapes and sizes ready to showcase themselves for the team with the 19th pick in the June 25 draft.
Pittsburgh’s DeJuan Blair and Gonzaga’s Josh Heytvelt are scheduled to kick off the festivities this morning at Philips Arena.
They’ll be followed Thursday by a scheduled monster workout crew that includes Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, Georgia Tech’s Lewis Clinch, Xavier’s Derrick Brown, Jonesboro’s own and Florida State star Toney Douglas, and Augusta State big man Garret Siler.
Friday’s scheduled slate includes North Carolina guard Wayne Ellington, VCU’s Eric Maynor, Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, LSU’s Garrett Temple and Marquette’s Wes Matthews. Maynor was initially listed as a Thursday visitor, along with Teague, whose plans have apparently changed as well. From what I’ve learned today (this is an in-blog update from 1:18 on Thursday afternoon) Teague is scheduled to attend Friday’s session as well.
The workouts will continue into the weekend, with the Hawks scheduled to get a closer look North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough and former Stephenson and Georgia Tech standout Alade Aminu on Sunday.
Before you start wondering why guys like Ty Lawson and others aren’t on this workout list, keep in mind that the Hawks have spent every waking moment of basically the last month traveling the country (and in some instances the globe) watching draft workouts and combines and Eurocamp sessions.
I can’t imagine there’s a guy that will be drafted that they haven’t seen already. These workouts here simply offer them another chance to evaluate players they’ve already seen a zillion times already. It also gives them a chance to bring them in to their own facility, see how they respond to the Hawks’ specific drills and questioning and really try and dig into their mettle and competitive nature.
The Hawks aren’t only working out players that they are considering with the 19th pick, they’ve also got the 49th pick in next week’s draft, so they’ve been evaluating and will continue to evaluate players for that pick as well.
Whatever happens, it should prove to be an interesting few days, to say the least.
UPDATE: Sat quietly on the side of the court during the morning workout (the Hawks were gracious enough to allow me in, provided I don’t get into specifics about the workout). Honestly, there isn’t much to be gleaned from these workouts, particularly this late in the game. We’re within a week of the draft. These players have to be a bit exhausted from the process. Heytvelt told me that when it’s all over he’ll have worked out for 15 different teams.
A two-man session doesn’t allow the players the range to do a whole lot other than drills. There was a good pace to it and both guys seemed to perform well. I’m expecting a little more action tomorrow morning, though I was disappointed to learn this afternoon that Teague had been removed from the list of players expected in. I wanted to see he and Maynor in the same workout. It seems we will get to see Maynor (Friday), along with Ellington (who I’ve heard good things about from people who watched him work in Chicago at the pre-draft camp).
Stay tuned to see how things progress through the weekend.
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NireMENTAL
June 19th, 2009
5:07 pm
the salary cap is 51.375892 million dollars. no I got it wrong it’s 46.391742 million dollars. to sign bibby back to a contract with the Hawks we must renounce zaza and buy him three new pairs of socks. no hold on we have to renounce zaza to the western conference teams only because eastern conference teams are exempt. ah I got it wrong again but I’m still more right than Manny is. actually we have to renounce flip and then we can sign bibby. I think I got it wrong again. let me check larry coon first and I’ll be back. okay I got it now. we have to renounce all of our free agents to sign bibby to a contract. okay and to keep the larry coon rights to josh childress we have to agree to buy him three Greek lapdances every year. that’s what larry coon said. See it in article 14 of subsection 21 of paragraph 3 of category 52 of larry coons works of nba know it all. it’s all there somewhere but I don’t have time to argue about it or look it up and ariose keeps posting links every time I do it and nobody wants to read mine after seeing his. I figured out how to trade josh smith. he has to be traded at 3:51 pm on the third wednsday of october. do it any other time and his trade kicker will come into play with his base year compensation which is indirectly related to the square root of the hypotenuse of the logarithm that governs josh smith’s contract. I told larry coon all of this and he is going to write it down and use me as a source. I don’t need a source for this because I am the source. somebody just told me that larry coon is really manny’s pen name. I have been following manny all this blasted time. that is a total bummer. you guys leave me alone I have to study at the bar.
cp
June 19th, 2009
5:09 pm
Garrett Siler only averaged 7 boards a game in divsion 2? I would probably pass on him. Give me a scorer like Meeks. It might be hard to bring Flip back and he pretty much does what Flip does but is a better free throw shooter.
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
5:13 pm
Thanks, doppleganger
. See, this is what happens when they give me the day off of bar review lecture…
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
5:14 pm
Ariose,
Just tried to post a reply to your (and Lang Whitaker’s) stuff. Once Sekou confirms it’s not spam, it’ll go up
MannyT
June 19th, 2009
5:23 pm
Geek post, scroll alert. No offense if this makes your eyes roll to top of head!
niremetal, look at what Lang wrote today on SLAM. He explains why Josh is BYC until mid-August. I am clearly missing something because I don’t get it.
He factors in Josh’s tenure with the Hawks and Bird rights, but he is no longer on his rookie contract.
He says As a result, a bunch of people thought I was wrong about the mid-August date. But according to everyone I spoke to while reporting this stuff, Josh is a BYC guy until mid-August. Why? Because the Hawks have Josh’s Bird rights, because the Hawks drafted him and Josh has been with the Hawks for more than three years. So it runs until mid-August, one year from when he signed the deal, same as Chicago had with Deng, same as Philly had with Iguodala, same as Cleveland had with Varejao.
I hope you get it because I am missing the connection between this and sticking BYC for one year.
I DO UNDERSTAND that the Griz cannot get him for at least a year and the Hawks cannot trade him without his consent for one calendar year, but that is different from how long his BYC status lasts.
Note NBA CBA Article XI, section (5)(g)
(g) After exercising its Right of First Refusal as described in this Section 5, the ROFR Team may not trade the Restricted Free Agent for one (1) year, without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, for one (1) year, neither the ROFR Team exercising its Right of First Refusal nor any other Team may trade the player to the Team whose Offer Sheet was matched.
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XI.php#section5
I wish I could find one of these sources at the draft party next week because one of us got the bottle of Dos Equiis w/o carbonation. We need to figure out who and why. In the mean time…stay thirsty (for the knowledge) my friends!
BWAF
MannyT
June 19th, 2009
5:52 pm
Ariose, you would think that the NBAPA would try to make player movement easier in the next CBA. Especially because they are likely to get a cold dose of fiscal reality in the next deal. If you have less money to go around, the rank & file would probably like to have a better chance at getting some of it. The big stars will always get paid, but the guys in that below MLE pay range might want additional opportunity.
That’s a long way of saying this cap stuff is more complex in the NBA than it needs to be.
BWAF
A Tribe Called Quest
June 19th, 2009
6:53 pm
People are overanalyzing the Hawks’ offseason. We don’t need to fret about this draft…Pick up the best point guard available. If Lyson is anywhere near as good as a very serviceable PG like the former Tar Heel Raymond Felton and we keep Bibby, we are in good shape
1) Draft Lawson or best PG available
2) Resign Bibby for anything less than 8 mill/yr
3) either resign Marvin at a good price or S&T him with Acie and a pick for Jamison or Caron Butler (we need a 20 ppg player who can score 30 on any given night to GO ALONG WITH JOE)
4) MUST RESIGN ZAZA
4) Resign Flip even if you have to overpay.
5) Give Speedy away
So basically you resign Bibby for 7 mill less than last year, Speedy is gone, and Acie is hopefully gone.
THen you sign FA’s to round out the team, hope to God that Mario has learned how to shoot a free throw and a 3 pointer, and make him your 12th man
Recap: Resign Bibby for cheap, sign Marv for cheap (he doesn’t deserve a big contract–he hasn’t improved from year to year statistically), resign ZaZa, Flip, and should have cap space for FA’s.
That will automatically get us to 2nd round next year (Easy should be better). I think we could beat Orlando. Not sure about Boston, and Cleveland overachieved this year so maybe they’ll fall off somehow
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
7:30 pm
MannyT,
I tried to post a lengthy response to Lang earlier, but the Blog Lords thought it might be spam (Sekou – could you see about that?
). I don’t get where Lang’s getting that from either. Here’s my earlier response, stripped of links:
renew nerd alert – scroll!
Ariose,
Also, how is all of theis a problem. If i’m not mistaken, we can sign OTHER free agents and gut up to the cap, before going OVER to sign our own agents(bird rights). Do we REALLY have to…..all I know is that if you check draft express we have only 40mill signed for next year. Sign some free agents and then sign our own guys. I really don’t think it has to be that complicated.
That’s the exact reason why there are cap holds for free agents. Again see Coon’s FAQ, Q31.
Michael Redd was a special case (second round pick with a correspondingly low cap hold). None of our free agents are like that. So we can’t circumvent the salary cap rules by simply signing other teams’ free agents first
As for Lang’s retort today, I think he’s still confusing BYC with Bird rights. They are two separate sets rules governing the same types of players. I’m fully willing to admit I’m wrong if he can point me to something, ANYthing on Coon’s blog or in the CBA that says that BYC rights last for one year. But until I see otherwise, I’ll go with Coon’s FAQ and the plain language of the Collective Bargaining Agreement itself:
A player’s Base Year Compensation shall go into effect on the date the new contract is entered into or, in the case of an Extension, the day following the last day of the Moratorium Period* that precedes the first Season of the extended term and shall expire and be of no further effect on the later of (x) the following June 30, or (y) six (6) months following the date the Base Year Compensation goes into effect.
(* The moratorium period is the week or so starting on July 1 (last year, it was July 1-7) during which teams couldn’t sign free agents, etc, so that doesn’t affect the June 30 expiration date of BYC rules)
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
7:32 pm
Whoops, forgot to re-format. Here’s the “copy-and-paste” portion of that post again:
renew nerd alert – scroll!
Ariose,
Also, how is all of theis a problem. If i’m not mistaken, we can sign OTHER free agents and gut up to the cap, before going OVER to sign our own agents(bird rights). Do we REALLY have to…..all I know is that if you check draft express we have only 40mill signed for next year. Sign some free agents and then sign our own guys. I really don’t think it has to be that complicated.
That’s the exact reason why there are cap holds for free agents. Again see Coon’s FAQ, Q31.
Michael Redd was a special case (second round pick with a correspondingly low cap hold). None of our free agents are like that. So we can’t circumvent the salary cap rules by simply signing other teams’ free agents first
As for Lang’s retort today, I think he’s still confusing BYC with Bird rights. They are two separate sets rules governing the same types of players. I’m fully willing to admit I’m wrong if he can point me to something, ANYthing on Coon’s blog or in the CBA that says that BYC rights last for one year. But until I see otherwise, I’ll go with Coon’s FAQ and the plain language of the Collective Bargaining Agreement itself:
A player’s Base Year Compensation shall go into effect on the date the new contract is entered into or, in the case of an Extension, the day following the last day of the Moratorium Period* that precedes the first Season of the extended term and shall expire and be of no further effect on the later of (x) the following June 30, or (y) six (6) months following the date the Base Year Compensation goes into effect.
(* The moratorium period is the week or so starting on July 1 (last year, it was July 1-7) during which teams couldn’t sign free agents, etc, so that doesn’t affect the June 30 expiration date of BYC rules)
Blast
June 19th, 2009
7:45 pm
Nice to see an end to that Josh Smith rumor crap. See how dangerous rumors are? And ESPN analysts?
Newkid brought up an interesting thought. By Hawks allowing the Grizzles to dictate Josh’s contract in that offer sheet, Hawks kinda boxed themselves in a corner. The trade kicker does seem favorable to Hawks, though.
We forget that one reason Mike Bibby ‘appears’ to play bad defence is because of that horrible switching defence the Hawks employ? It works against smaller teams, but how many times in the playoffs did we see Hawks switch only to find Bibby face up against LeBron or a center? And Woody refused to stop that switch, and Hawks got burned over and over.
O’Brien doesn’t want Bibby because he plays bad defence, but he wants Charlie V who O’ Brien says can score, but can’t defend. Isn’t that the same charge he levied on Bibby?
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
7:56 pm
We forget that one reason Mike Bibby ‘appears’ to play bad defence is because of that horrible switching defence the Hawks employ? It works against smaller teams, but how many times in the playoffs did we see Hawks switch only to find Bibby face up against LeBron or a center? And Woody refused to stop that switch, and Hawks got burned over and over.
I could be wrong, but I think you’re getting it backwards. One of the reasons we often play switching on all screens (which is something I’ve noticed a lot more since Bibby arrived) is that Bibby is a step behind on getting around screens. That being said, I’ve never understood why the defensive approach to screens isn’t “switch on all screens EXCEPT when the screen is on the man Bibby’s guarding. In that case, double the guy with the ball until Bibby is back in position, then have the help defender switch back.”
rms
June 19th, 2009
8:18 pm
Why should I trust any of the Hawks scouts and coachs evalating players and potential draft picks after the past few seasons they have muffed up their previous draft picks….
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
8:20 pm
Manny, Lol, Derrick Fisher needs to quit sippin champagne and get his butt in gear B/C i’m sure he fits in that MLE range somewhere too.
I beleive you like to refer to this stuff as Good Fiscal CRAP Hehehee….
Nire, thanks for the explanation, I’ll go look up FA cap holds in Coon’s refrence.
Also, Sometimes you gotta break up your post if the sensor gods keep eating it lol. They did that to me yesterday. I had to post my response paragraph by paragraph. Eventually I found out that it was ONE little sentence that was keeping my whole post from being shown.
Sekou, you really gotta go have a talk with your IT buddys over at AJC and straighten this thing out lol.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
8:26 pm
“wish I could find one of these sources at the draft party next week because one of us got the bottle of Dos Equiis w/o carbonation. We need to figure out who and why. In the mean time…stay thirsty (for the knowledge) my friends!”
He IS MannyT, “The Most Interesting Man In The World” lol
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
8:36 pm
Link:
http://hawks.portspaces.com/post/hawksbasketblog/fridays_predraft_workout_report.html
If you guys haven’t been keeping up with Micah heart’s basketblog over on the Hawks Official Website you’re missing out.
He’s been bringing in local beat writers/bloggers who cover the players that are being drafted. He’s got tons of player draft updates over there so check it out.
He’s also posting Draft Workout updates to you’ll wanna check that out too.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
8:39 pm
“Ellington showed the touch that made him such a crucial part of North Carolina’s NCAA-title run this past March. One drill at the end had the players shooting from distance, stepping back a foot after each made basket (and getting only 3 shots from each spot) until they missed. Starting from the free throw line, Ellington was able to make it all the way back to half-court, shooting basically his normal shot the entire way. I called it the Joe Johnson drill.”
-Micah Heart
Sekou, Thats why I sad ignore his jumpsot lol. The boy just doesn’t miss. His Ballhandling ability is still suspect though…
Link:
http://hawks.portspaces.com/hawksbasketblog
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
8:40 pm
Looks like the Dum Dums finally figured out that josh Can’t be traded lol.
Link:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12993
O'Brien
June 19th, 2009
9:12 pm
Blast,
I dont want Bibby because he will be our starting PG, and he will play 36 minutes per game. Plus JJ will have to guard Bibby’s man sometimes. Also, in my opinion, there are better options available to replace Bibby (restricted FA Jarrett Jack and Ramon Sessions, plus Kirk Hinrich if we could trade for him). I know that part of the problem is Woody’s switching defense, but everybody knows Bibby’s defense is horrible. Teams always drive at him, and JJ usually has to guard Bibby’s man (Paul, Deron, Mo Williams, Harris to name a few). I want a starting PG who can guard his man one on one. Bibby cant.
I like Charlie V to come off the bench (maybe 20 minutes per game)along with Flip. As a bench player, his role is different. Just like Flip, he will be a scorer, plus he can play backup minutes at both PF and SF if needed.
Big Ray
June 19th, 2009
9:32 pm
O’Brien,
I agree. The issue with the switching is defense is that it leaves our low post guys out of position (and guarding a perimeter player) for rebounds. While this isn’t the entire explanation for the number of offensive rebounds we typically give up, it IS part of the problem.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
9:39 pm
Posting Jamelle Hill’s comments about Josh Smith from our twitter Debate we had a few days ago….We ended up coming to common ground on the situation lol.
“and a big-time knucklehead. J-Smoove does not seem interested in maturing his game or becoming a real leader. Move him.”
“Sekou is one of my dearest friends. Gave u my opinion. JJ is not a superstar, but has superstar game. J-Schmoove needs to grow up.”
“ha, you said it, i didn’t. he’s got top-5 talent and a 2-cent head.”
“Don’t question JS’s ability. Question his leadership and desire. Does he want to be another dude collecting a check? So far, yes.”
“Best player can’t be uninterested in not getting better. That’s why the Hawks look like a killa 1 minute, and boo-boo the next”
“Oh, they should have ditched Woodson for Avery Johnson awhile ago. Clearly, he has no chemistry with this team.”
“Even still, the onus is on JJ and JS. JS could be a star, but he settles both with his game & behavior. Younger players watch, copy”
“Marc Jackson would be great, too. He’s a teacher. Would have respect of the players. Great guy.”
“JS just has to grow up. Get a respectable J. Stop complaining. He’s so good he could 1 day be defensive POY. Just has to want it.”
Poop, I debated with Jamelle b/c she always responds back(and will debate/talk about anything) unlinke Skip Bayless, Jalen Rose, Chris Webber, Micah Heart, and sometimes even Mark Bradley. Lang Responds back though lol. Skp is too busy bashing every known sports icon 24/7 and that’s all he wants to talk about. Rose occasionallty will respond. Joe Johnson doesn’t get on enough to respond, he just updates his status evey once and a while(hw said he’s in Miami this weekend). Childress, Zaza, and Speedy Claxton all respond when you tweet them……unless you aks them a loaded question like “between you and me, how difficult is Mike Woodson to deal with?” yup, I never get a response after those lol.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
9:40 pm
She keeps it real yo….
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
11:18 pm
So…what have we learned about listening to Chad Ford and co.?
Seriously, if you ignore no one else, ignore him. He was also the source on the Josh-for-Amare-being-blocked-by-Belkin BS (say that five times fast)
doc
June 19th, 2009
11:25 pm
ariose, thanks for the heads up.
think woody wouldnt like this type of player?:
The other feature that sets Toney apart is his defensive ability and this will be his key to success in the NBA. For his entire career, he faced some of the best guards in the country night in and night out. For the past two years, he has been named ACC Defensive Team and was the ACC Defensive Player of the year in 2009. He was also named to the Fox Sports All-American Defensive team. This cannot be stressed enough, Toney loves to play defense. He puts as much, if not more, energy into his defense as his offense. He is accustomed to playing man to man defense and enjoys it: “The main reason I think I play good defense is because in this league, there’s a lot of good guards. If you don’t play good defense, you get exposed real quick. It’s a pride thing.”
though no stars there are some intriguing players that will come up when number 19 comes around … who knows josh was 15, rondo 19, so if due diligence done rather than hopeful thinking there could be someone to fill a place on next years roster ready to play and contribute.
doc
June 19th, 2009
11:36 pm
aj, looks like lambier is finally getting some interview time:
“Reports from the region suggest that Wolves are looking seriously at former NBA player Mark Jackson, former head coach Mike Fratello and former WNBA coach and NBA player Bill Laimbeer who recently quit his job with the Detroit Shock.”
if he fails maybe since he isnt with the shock anymore he can come down here and provide a little big man clinics as a coach for our side. it seems he and my boy rick should have some history, wasnt sund with the bad boys as an assistant gm about that time? hope it is good history. maybe he could be considered if things flop here. no. i am not saying anyone should go, only we should have our list ready. heh heh
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
12:21 am
“I could be wrong, but I think you’re getting it backwards. One of the reasons we often play switching on all screens (which is something I’ve noticed a lot more since Bibby arrived) is that Bibby is a step behind on getting around screens. That being said, I’ve never understood why the defensive approach to screens isn’t “switch on all screens EXCEPT when the screen is on the man Bibby’s guarding. In that case, double the guy with the ball until Bibby is back in position, then have the help defender switch back.”
Nire, exactly but we ALL know the real answer to that….Woodson is an……very special type of person heh…
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
1:11 am
Doc, yeah Woody will defenetly give Douglass time as long as he has an offensive game to got along with that defensive prowress. I mean, look at Mario. He still gets minutes, but if he had any kind of jumpshot he’s be getting a lot moe PT.
Ed
June 20th, 2009
3:07 am
Just want to go on record and say the Hawks will take Jeff Teague with the 19th pick if the Bucks don’t grab him @ number 10. He’s definitely the type of PG Woody would at least give a fair shake. He has a terrific outside shot & can create off the dribble.
Clyde
June 20th, 2009
3:58 am
Ariose Jamelle Hill is kinda hot. I need to holla at her about something besides basketball.
FIRE WOODY
KevinA
June 20th, 2009
8:22 am
Josh is beter than AL. They are about the same age. He should be the 1st option, Al the second, Marvin the third, Chills off the bench 4th and JJ 5th. Flip and Bibby should shoot the least. Be better off giving the ball to ZaZa or Solo. Of course If Flip and JJ are driving, I don’t mind. They just jack to many jumpers.
I MUS.WRITE
June 20th, 2009
9:30 am
Astro- It may be just a rumor, but you never know-I’ve seen stranger things happen. I would do it if it ever came to light tho….. Basiclly we give up 2 pg’s that dont ever play and a #19 pick for 2 servicable rotation players and a #5 pick………… Songailia in a good back up big and Stephenson may not have the best handle but he sure does stroke the ball and thats what we need more of _SHOOTERS_
Dam Ray-dont pull your hair man- You want to get rid of the pick but our buddy Sund say’s he’ll find his star through the draft….
MannyT
June 20th, 2009
10:02 am
Every year there is always a good player that slips past the lottery picks. This is true even in years with weak drafts. He may not be a star, but he will be a contributor. Can we get one of those players this year?
Ariose, if we follow you on Twitter, would it be mostly about hoops, video links, Salim Stoudamire or other stuff?
That Micah Hart stuff about Ellington sounds like he’s going to the Cavs so he can wait for LeBron to pass the ball out for easy 3 point shots.
doc, this is what I’d like to see at one of those workouts. I’d call it musical hoops. 5 guys, 1 ball. Just toss it out on the floor. You get it, you get a point. First one to 3 wins. Anyone who gets shut out, doesn’t get draft consideration. I’m thinking I should change the name of the drill to Mario Ball.
BWAF
I MUS.WRITE
June 20th, 2009
10:04 am
We need to get Fohnny Flynn…. I think he is the best point guard in the draft , He’s the best of the crop IMO……… Rubio, Jenneings, Curry, will be good but Flynn is going to be the one…. I dont know wghat we would have to give as far as moving up but i think it would be worth it. Athletic,Nice range, passing and speed…….Sounds similar to the guy down in the bayou
I saw clips of teague and he is impressive-scoring wise but he doesnt pass alot and his defense may be an issue- I wouldnt be upset if he was selected at 19 tho- he reminds me of kevin johnson or barbosa
I MUS.WRITE
June 20th, 2009
10:05 am
Johnny Flynn lol…..need coffee
O'brien
June 20th, 2009
10:12 am
If we get a defensive guy like Toney Douglas, do we still need Mario? (Mo Evans was supposed to be our defensive guy off the bench, but I have not been impressed by Evans).
Did you guys see the rumor that as many as 20 NBA teams might only carry 14 players on the roster next season (to save money)? Why pay a guys hundreds of thousands of dollars if chances are he is never going to play…
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
10:17 am
Ellington is a better shooter than Stevensin right now…..i’m not haitin’ on stevenson. I’m mean he’s so hot he can’t feel his face lol. But, if hansbrough isn’t on the board I say we draft Ellington. Then we can wait for some team to draft the PG that we want and trade either RandMO or speedy for them…..and then draft Danny green with the 49th pick.
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
10:18 am
LOL @ Clyde
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
10:35 am
MannyT, ha! I wouldn’t follow me lol. I doubt i’m that entertaining lol. But theres plenty of guys who fit that bill. Steve Nash, Shaq, Kevin Durant. You can get updates fom anybody on there, friends, celebrities, whomever.
I like it b/c I get the latest hoops articles as soon as they come out b/c I follow ppl like Hoopsworld, Dimemag, Micah Heart, Mark Bradley, Hoopshype, Lang Whitaker etc. etc. they always update you with the latest which is great for a guy with a basketball jones a big as mine heh.
Then you’ve got he classic bigmouths who always get themselves in trouble with their tweets like T.O lol.
Check it out.
niremetal
June 20th, 2009
11:08 am
If for no other reason, the Hawks should avoid Douglas because he’s represented by David Falk. Seriously. That’s one pass to “Urscrewed World” when he comes up for an extension.
Simpdawg
June 20th, 2009
12:51 pm
IF the New Jersey Nets are serious about trading Devin Harris for the 2nd overall pick, then the Hawks should sign and trade Marvin Williams, Speedy Claxton expiring contract and the 19th pick for Devin Harris. The Nets could offer their 11th and 19th picks to Memphis for their 2nd overall pick.
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
1:53 pm
Check out what the NBA T.V guys think the Hawks should do with the 19th and 49th picks.
Link:
http://www.nba.com/draft2009/teams/atl.html
I MUS.WRITE
June 20th, 2009
1:57 pm
Hansborough= Mark Madsen
Hansborough= Luke Walton
Hansborough= Adam Keefe
Hansborough= Unathletic big with no jumper
Tyler- ” hey yall this Tyler i just dont wantAtlanta to make the same mistake they did with Acie. U know thinking I can come in and play well against NBA talent. Y do yall think it took me 4 years to come out, I wont bre able to move guys in the paint the way i did in college. I still have’nt developed my jumper and I see what yall do to Smoove. Sheldon williams is alot better than I’ll ever be -he’s the landlord for goodness sake. I just dont wanna be stuck to the bench like Solo and Morris – Cant wait to get to the NBDL so I can dominae againg like I did in college…. Dont drink my koolaid its got poison in it”
“I.MUS Im better than Madsen dam it”
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
2:33 pm
Hahahahaha!!!!1! ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Blast
June 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
O’ Brien
I do like Charlie V off the bench. Charlie is a prolific scorer that the Hawks can use indeed. Hey, I like Bibby despite his shortcomings, but if Hawks can get someone younger that will put up the same numbers and play better defence, then go for it. My point is Hawks were nowhere and nobody with Joe, Josh 1 & 2, Al, Marvin and Zaza until Bibby arrived the scene. We should not forget that. Mike brings trust, swagger and other intangibles that go above scoring and defence.
That said, if they pick a point in the draft that we know Woody will play, keep and sign Bibby for a lower pay, shorten his minutes, would that work? Of course the new point has to be good AND play with the hope of taking over since the Acie Law experiment has not seemed to work out too good.
O’Brien, I like your other point and I’ve actually thought about it. Why staff your ballclub with 15 players when only 8-10 will actually crack the rotation? Why pay dudes to warm the pine when they will never see serious gametime minutes? I’ve always thought it better for teams to staff their club with the league’s minimum allowed number of players (13?) and go with guys that will actually play and help your club, and you save money at the same time.
Blast
June 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
Something else the ASG might want to consider. We all know Cleveland is actively shopping for All-Star help in other to keep LeBron and win a championship. They are trying to get Shaq this year. Whether that works or not, another rumor has it that come the year 2010, Cavs might seriously pursue Joe Johnson to be the Scottie Pippen to LeBron’s Michael Jordan.
I can see how that will work for Cavs and Joe. Joe is probably better off as the No.2 option on a team that has a superstar like LeBron. The two of them together almost automatically says championship. A pairing like that will almost guarantee a ring for Joe. If that happens, where will that leave the Atlanta Hawks? So as they plan for 2009 roster, I think it’s imperative that they also keep an eye on the 2010 roster also. Long term plans, not short term, ASG.
bigdave
June 20th, 2009
3:42 pm
Sautee… “post skill” exactly…
your June 17 11:21am post is exactly the reason why i make my argument… starting with the pick itself (sure it was a need pick; but AMARE people!!)… and due to the fact that he was not “the man” at UF he will not be “the man” in the league based on what ive seen from him there and here… which is why i would package him vs Josh if such a decision was to be made…
bigdave
June 20th, 2009
3:45 pm
i want value out of that #19
give me a guy that can GET HIS OWN SHOT and DEFEND… Sam Young/Toney Douglas
terrell barron
June 20th, 2009
4:33 pm
Who’s it going to be?
1st rd. Eric Maynor
2nd rd. Jodie Meeks
Ariose
June 20th, 2009
4:40 pm
TB, Meeks over Danny Green in Rd.2?
AB
June 20th, 2009
5:31 pm
Jodie Meeks all the way! He could be a steal!
cp
June 20th, 2009
7:10 pm
I see people are joining me on the Jodie Meeks bandwagon. Ariose the only reason I would take Meeks over Green because I think Meeks can come in here and do what Flip does at a cheaper price. Dude is a big time scorer who shot 90% from the free throw line. Seeing as how bad we were from the line last year it would be nice to have a guy who can come to the line and not have to worry about him missing key free throws… I’m still torn about the first round pick. I liked Sam Young but after watching more film of him I don’t like his jumper at all but at 19 he would not be bad. I would take Derrick Brown over him at this point. I think some guys are going to slide. I wish we could get another late fist round pick or get another second rounder. Right now the guys i’m looking at are Clark, Terrance Williams, Teague, Derrick Brown, and Sam Young with the 19th pick depending on who is there when we go. In the second round I want Meeks or Mc Clinton from Miami. If we could get another late first rounder I would go Derrick Brown and the pg from UCLA, Collison. I think a lot of people are sleeping on him. I want no parts of Tyler Hansbrough or Mullens. I think Lawson is gone way before the 19th pick. I could see him going to the Pacers. This is going to be a crazy draft. I wish we had more picks. That way we could add better talent to our bench for cheap. I would take guys like Meeks, Mc Clinton, Danny Green and a few other second rounders over Randolph and Mario anyday of the week.