Let the workouts begin
The Hawks will get a closer look at Wake Forest's Jeff Teague (left) and North Carolina's Wayne Ellington this week. The Hawks are scheduled to host workouts at Philips Arena today through the weekend with the June 25 NBA draft just days away.
HAWKSVILLE - After weeks of relative silence on the Hawks’ workout front, things are going to kick up dramatically today and through the weekend.
The Hawks have a full slate of workouts scheduled at Philips Arena, with players of all shapes and sizes ready to showcase themselves for the team with the 19th pick in the June 25 draft.
Pittsburgh’s DeJuan Blair and Gonzaga’s Josh Heytvelt are scheduled to kick off the festivities this morning at Philips Arena.
They’ll be followed Thursday by a scheduled monster workout crew that includes Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, Georgia Tech’s Lewis Clinch, Xavier’s Derrick Brown, Jonesboro’s own and Florida State star Toney Douglas, and Augusta State big man Garret Siler.
Friday’s scheduled slate includes North Carolina guard Wayne Ellington, VCU’s Eric Maynor, Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, LSU’s Garrett Temple and Marquette’s Wes Matthews. Maynor was initially listed as a Thursday visitor, along with Teague, whose plans have apparently changed as well. From what I’ve learned today (this is an in-blog update from 1:18 on Thursday afternoon) Teague is scheduled to attend Friday’s session as well.
The workouts will continue into the weekend, with the Hawks scheduled to get a closer look North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough and former Stephenson and Georgia Tech standout Alade Aminu on Sunday.
Before you start wondering why guys like Ty Lawson and others aren’t on this workout list, keep in mind that the Hawks have spent every waking moment of basically the last month traveling the country (and in some instances the globe) watching draft workouts and combines and Eurocamp sessions.
I can’t imagine there’s a guy that will be drafted that they haven’t seen already. These workouts here simply offer them another chance to evaluate players they’ve already seen a zillion times already. It also gives them a chance to bring them in to their own facility, see how they respond to the Hawks’ specific drills and questioning and really try and dig into their mettle and competitive nature.
The Hawks aren’t only working out players that they are considering with the 19th pick, they’ve also got the 49th pick in next week’s draft, so they’ve been evaluating and will continue to evaluate players for that pick as well.
Whatever happens, it should prove to be an interesting few days, to say the least.
UPDATE: Sat quietly on the side of the court during the morning workout (the Hawks were gracious enough to allow me in, provided I don’t get into specifics about the workout). Honestly, there isn’t much to be gleaned from these workouts, particularly this late in the game. We’re within a week of the draft. These players have to be a bit exhausted from the process. Heytvelt told me that when it’s all over he’ll have worked out for 15 different teams.
A two-man session doesn’t allow the players the range to do a whole lot other than drills. There was a good pace to it and both guys seemed to perform well. I’m expecting a little more action tomorrow morning, though I was disappointed to learn this afternoon that Teague had been removed from the list of players expected in. I wanted to see he and Maynor in the same workout. It seems we will get to see Maynor (Friday), along with Ellington (who I’ve heard good things about from people who watched him work in Chicago at the pre-draft camp).
Stay tuned to see how things progress through the weekend.
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Melvin
June 18th, 2009
9:20 pm
NBA TV analysis suggest the Hawks should go with a PG with their 1st rnd pick. Ty Lawson was the guy the peg. They also said, the Hawks should retain their current frontcourt players (Josh,Marvin,AL)…
O'brien
June 18th, 2009
9:33 pm
Thanks for the reply Sekou. I agree that we dont know what we have in Acie. And that’s unfortunate, because if we knew what we had in him, then we wouldnt have to contemplate using our 19th pick on a PG (or we would have known to get rid of Acie for somebody else).
For a starting PG, I would prefer the Hawks sign somebody like Jarrett Jack or Ramon Sessions. I know they are both restricted FA, but they will be cheaper than Bibby. Bibby will probably get $7 or $8 million per year. I think Jack or Sessions can be had for $5 mil per year (Jack made $2 mil last season, Sessions made $800k). I dont think their contracts will be matched. (For the record, I say we sign Jack, and then we sign Charlie V).
Despite the chemistry and shot making, Bibby is too old for us to sign to a 3 year deal (bad defense, no penetration). Sign a young PG who can become part of the nucleus for the next 5 years..
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
9:42 pm
Astro,
Pavel Potenpokopo? I think you’re confusing Pavel Podkolzin and Vitaly Potapenko
A Tribe Called Quest
June 18th, 2009
9:42 pm
I’m sick and tired of these “the Hawks have gone as far as they can go” comments. What is the basis of these asinine statements? The Hawks were not healthy at all this year, and Duck underachieved, as did Horford. All we need are 1 or 2 more SOLID bench players and this team should be fine. And Bibby needs to lose weight
Astro Joe
June 18th, 2009
10:22 pm
nire, Pavel Podkolzin sounds about right. After 3 syllables, I tend to get lost. With the exception of Kardashian.
Douglas in the first round and Siler in the second wouldn’t upset me.
O’Brien, you wouldn’t be excited about having Bibby in his prime?
Hawksfanatic
June 18th, 2009
10:53 pm
Sekou, you are clearly getting Base-Year Compensation mixed up with trade restrictions on a player/team when the Right of First Refusal is used (i.e. matching an offer sheet). Base-Year Compensation is just a restriction placed on matching salaries for trades. A BYC player counts their full salary for team X but only 50% for the team trading them away. This creates a difficult situation for trading players but doesn’t make it impossible. This status clearly wears off 6 months after the signing of the contract or on June 30th, whichever is later. Since Josh signed in August, that makes June 30th a later date than February.
When the Right of First Refusal is used, there are restrictions placed on trading a player. For one, the team that signed the player to an offer sheet cannot receive that player in a trade under no circumstances for a whole year. The second restriction is that for a whole year the team who matched the offer sheet cannot trade the player without the player’s consent (basically a no-trade clause). The important part of the CBA for this is Article XI Section 5:
[i](g) After exercising its Right of First Refusal as described in this Section 5, the ROFR Team may not trade the Restricted Free Agent for one (1) year, without the player’s consent. Even with the player’s consent, for one (1) year, neither the ROFR Team exercising its Right of First Refusal nor any other Team may trade the player to the Team whose Offer Sheet was matched.[/i]
I believe this is what you are getting confused with BYC Sekou.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
11:24 pm
Ha!!! I was right!!! ONE Year PPL!!! see Manny, I was paying attention all along
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
11:26 pm
Ha! I knew I was Right! One Full year PPL! See Manny, I was paying attention all this time
O'Brien
June 18th, 2009
11:32 pm
Astro Joe,
As tempting as it is, I will pass on Bibby. The problem is, I have a hard time finding a team what will give him the money he wants. After all, how many contending teams (besides Philly and the Hawks) need a starting PG? The rebuilding teams will want to go young.
Unfortunately I think Bibby will be forced to resign with the Hawks. Because he wants to be a starter, and he wants to play for a good team.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
11:33 pm
“A BYC player counts their full salary for team X but only 50% for the team trading them away.”
Exactly, Which is why I said Smoove only couts for 6mill(for the Hawks) so other players would have to be added(by the Hawks).
I was confused though b/c I thought that meant that team X only had to put up 5mill to make up the difference, but I see now that they(Team X) would have to match Josh’s full contract of 11mill.
I’m good now….
Also the 7.2(or whatever) Trade Kicker is divided over he length of Josh’s contract correct? Or is it 7mill added up front(to be paid by Team X) if he were to be traded?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 18th, 2009
11:39 pm
Tyler, my opinion on Euros can “sound like” whatever you want it to sound like. I’m inclined to believe that niremetal’s theory is at least partially correct; maybe just as important, I don’t think the quality of play is as high in Euroleague as it is in the NBA, since the best European players are in the NBA already, which means that just as some players can produce against the competition of NCAA ball but can’t cut it in the NBA, the same applies to Euroleague as well.
On another note, I’m pretty sure just from memory that a higher percentage of American high school draftees have become useful NBA players than Euro draftees. Since you are so hung up on this topic, maybe you want to do the research?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 18th, 2009
11:39 pm
Damn, that’s a lot of commas in my last post… I think Ando may have possessed my soul there for a second.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
11:41 pm
I really think Bibby wants to come back. He’s a guy who likes to be around Familiar surroundings……we’ll see He might not demand too much 4-5mill maybe if he really just wants to come back. I mean he’s made over 100mill during his career….he doesn’t NEED the money lol..
Najeh Davenpoop
June 18th, 2009
11:44 pm
For whatever it’s worth, according to euroleague.net, half of the top 20 scorers in this Euroleague season were either NBA has-beens (Carlos Arroyo) or NBA never-weres (D’Or Fischer? David Logan?)
I don’t hate Euros dude. All I’m saying is, dominating Euroleague doesn’t make you an NBA star. Rubio hasn’t proven anything more than Maynor has.
Hawksfanatic
June 18th, 2009
11:45 pm
Ariose, team X must pay the trade bonus within 30 days to Josh. However for cap purposes, you take the trade bonus and divide by the remaining years and then add that amount to each season. This spreads the effect of the trade bonus evenly throughout the life of the contract even though in terms of actual money flow, Josh gets paid big bucks almost immediately. Caphits are not always the exact same as what a team is paying a player, those need not be the same and that is where some people can get confused when talking about the CBA.
To clarify, currently Josh’s trade bonus is $7.2 million (i.e. 15% of the remaining value of his contract). This total value decreases next year as the total value remaining on Josh’s contract will be less.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
12:11 am
Hawksfanatic, Thanks for the clarifcation. I completely understand how this works now.
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
12:25 am
Najeh,
I think you’re mostly right. I think that we need to stop thinking of Europe as a kind of “NBA minor league.” You’re right in that the level of talent over there doesn’t match the talent in the NBA. If it did, the Redeem Team wouldn’t have breezed through the Olympics like it did.
But whatever “gap” there once was in basketball talent is fast closing, as many people far more knowledgeable about this stuff than me have noted. Increasingly, the best young athletes around the world are playing basketball rather than (or at least in addition to) soccer or tennis. It’s remarkable how rapidly international basketball has developed over the past 20 years, when Drazen Petrovic first showed the way across the Atlantic. Even here, they’re meeting with increased success. Dirk won the MVP 2 years ago. Calderon is in the top 10 in assists. Argentinian Manu and French Tony have joined Virgin Island Tim in leading the closest thing to a dynasty of the past decade.
I think we’re not too far from a day where the Euroleague (and eventually maybe even the Chinese league) will be viewed not so much “worse” but rather as “different.” The real test will come when more American players who were NBA starter-quality start following Childress to Europe. The wider line, closer 3-point line, and tighter game-calling (lots more touch fouls called over there) make for a very different game.
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
12:32 am
* wider lane.
That, by the way, is the biggest difference maker. That’s why all their big men have to know how to shoot – the lane is a good 3 feet wider at the point closest to the basket. But from what I gather, FIBA is adopting a narrower lane and a longer 3-point line starting next year. The lane will be just a couple inches wider than the NBA lane and the 3-point line will be just a foot inside the NBA line – basically, the distance all the way around will be about the equivalent of the NBA “corner 3″ line. It’ll be very interesting to see how that affects gameplay…
O'Brien
June 19th, 2009
12:34 am
Ariose,
I would be surprised if Bibby and Team Dime take $5 mil per. I am thinking he wants $7 mil annually. Also, Bibby probably wants 3 years. I hope the Hawks dont give in.
A Tribe Called Quest
June 19th, 2009
12:45 am
We need to do that Marvin-for-Butler trade.
We have no scorers besides Joe who struggles to score 20 with all the attention he gets. I’m sick of all these wild 22 year olds running around with no offensive consistency
niremetal
June 19th, 2009
1:34 am
I’m sick of all these wild 22 year olds running around with no offensive consistency
Joe? Is that you Joe?
O’Brien,
Someone will offer Bibby the full mid-level, which will sit somewhere in the $5.5-5.8M range. You can bank on that. Defense or no, he’s still in the upper half of the starting PGs in the league. LeBron was leaning hard on the Cavs’ brass to get him a couple years ago, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Heat went after him too. If Phoenix doesn’t want to pay Nash, they might go after the hometown boy – Bibby would at least sell a decent number of tickets around there (seriously…there are statues devoted to him and Sean Elliott on the ‘Zona campus) and I bet he’d love to finish his career back home.
And do I pay Bibby $6M to keep him here? Hell yes. Because he brings more to the table than a money perimeter stroke and mediocre defense. Even if he’s nothing more than a Steve Kerr type at this stage in his career, he’s a vocal leader. People forget that too often about him. The only thing that separates Tyronn Lue from Bibby are the intangibles, the things that don’t show up in the stats (you know, the things that make people wonder how Shane Battier’s teams always seem to win 10 more games than they should). Bring in a guy who puts up Bibby’s numbers but doesn’t bring his presence, and we backslide.
I’m not saying Bibby’s indispensible. I’m saying that you can’t just look at his stats and his diminishing quickness and conclude that we’d be better off bringing in a younger guy.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
2:22 am
…yup..
Ed
June 19th, 2009
3:29 am
A player cannot have a no-trade clause put into his contract w/o 8 years of service. That is why the trade kicker was put into place. Josh can agree to accept less but they cannot waive the entire sum even if Josh was willing to do so.
Simpdawg
June 19th, 2009
4:35 am
If Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague are selected before the 19th pick, I think the Hawks should trade their 19th and 49th picks to Portland for their 24th and 38th, with the 24th they could select Toney Douglas and with the 38th pick, they could take a gamble and select Garret Siler. Just a thought.
Big Ray
June 19th, 2009
7:12 am
….Snzzzzzzzz……
Sekou Smith
June 19th, 2009
7:34 am
You can discuss this stuff until you pass out from foolishness. I’m done debating a non-issue. But the bottom line is this, Josh Smith isn’t getting traded this summer. Not going to happen. And not for all the crazy reasons being tossed around these days. The Hawks aren’t trading him because he’s 23, an exceptional talent, five years into what has the makings of a tremendous NBA career and a key component of a team that is on the rise the past two years. Dude is not going anywhere folks.
Big Ray
June 19th, 2009
8:14 am
Sekou,
Thanks for setting the record straight, although I’m sure there are some who find that to be bad news (or they’ll add in a false caveat of “well, I don’t have a problem with him, he just needs to improve this or that. Gee, that applies to everybody on the squad, and the coaching staff).
I hope ALL of our young guys (most specifically the frontcourt) take big steps this offseason, and come back in fine form, better than ever. And unlike some people, I actually mean that.
dap01
June 19th, 2009
8:19 am
I believe that Bibby would be a great role player with the team. The problem is that Woody will not utilize him in that role, he will ride him into the ground and let the other PG’s rot on the bench. We can’t trust Woody to see the whole picture.
jhan
June 19th, 2009
9:34 am
dap01 – couldn’t have said that better myself!
Hopefully the whole “Josh & his trade kicker” saga is over. I get tired of scrolling past 75% of the entries.
At least we’ll have something solid to blog about soon. The draft can’t get here soon enough!
I MUS WRITE
June 19th, 2009
9:53 am
Tribe -im with you on the trade…. If one of our forwards have to be moved it has to be Marv or the rights to Chillz. Butler is the consistent scorer we need. As far as free agents go……. I think Charlie V is just as good or better than Marvin so he would be the reserve forward I would go after. In the middle- Sign Gortat and draft Siler- that way we have Beef and athleticism at the 5.
I see this as our best option without giving up too much (draft picks/core player) There just are’nt that many skilled bigs that will be avaliable in Mid august when we start to make moves.
Pg’s – This is the tricky part, Teague,Lawson,Maynor,French gy may all be there at 19 – I would go after Teague or Lawson if they were all available…… Who ever the pick is wont play this year as Woody is still on his BS when it comes to yung guys. That means the guy will be glued to the end of the bench most of the year. thats fine becuz hopefully this will be his last year and we can get the guy sum playing time when a new coach is bought in…. kind of how teams draft guys and leave them over seas while holding their rights.
FLIP, AC, Lawson should be a good rotation…… I wouldnt bring Bibby back unless he took a 2 yr/12mill deal or sumthing in that range.
Our possible lineup could be
Flip/Ac/Lawson
JJ/Mo/Rio
CButler/Charlie V
Josh/Charlie V
Horford/Gortat/Siler
Hand out pink slips to…….. R Morris,Gardner,Speedy,Solo
ZAZA will join a western conference contender- they will value his toughness and O fennsive rebounding. if chills is’nt coming back then why hold his rights -we will probably lose him for nothing next summer…… Trade his rights for a late 1st or second and find a servicable wing player sg/sf type.
doc
June 19th, 2009
9:55 am
amen to that sekou!
i am wordless most of this sumer with all this blithering, blabber and sniveling about josh. the number two guy at worst on a team that just went over the mendoza line of 55 and they want to let him go? and with what he brings defensively to a very ordinary group of defensive guards because of his hops and effort? geez! it is hard to be civil with some of this stuff. as kirk says it is about the wins, take him away and it is all downhill.
Melvin
June 19th, 2009
10:05 am
Amen Sekou, Big Ray and Doc.
As I said on yesterday, all this Josh talk gets old….
Melvin
June 19th, 2009
10:08 am
Does anybody know if Devin Harris will be a free agent this summer? I noticed on Hoopshype they have his contract expiring this season. However, ESPN does not list him as a 2009 Free Agent….
Astro Joe
June 19th, 2009
10:13 am
Now that we’re done with the Josh bashing (after the team exceeded the 45 win plateau), we can now resume with the Woody bashing.
Happy Fathers Day!
dap01
June 19th, 2009
10:15 am
Any word on the workouts by the potential draft picks?
O'Brien
June 19th, 2009
10:18 am
nire,
I agree that Bibby has swagger, shot making skills, and vocal leadership. And there is team chemistry. But that can be replaced.
His mediocre defense has an effect that does not show up in the stat sheet. For example, his poor defense causes JJ to have to guard the quick PGs, which wears JJ out even more. Plus, his bad defense causes more fouls on our bigs when Bibby’s man drives into the lane. And how many times does our poor defensive rotation lead to an open shot, because we go to double Bibby’s guy? Plus, when his shot isn’t falling, his contribution is severely limited (even if the opposing tem still respects his shot). And if Bibby would drive more, then our bigs would also get some more easy shots. If we gave Bibby a 3 year deal, can you imagine how bad he wil be as he continues to get older and slower?
I MUS WRITE
I am with you on Charlie V. His numbers from this season:
16.2 ppg, 6.7 rpb, .345 3pt%, in 27 minutes per game (14 shots).
His defense is very inconsistent, but he can put some points up. And I like his versatility as a backup PF and as a backup SF for limited minutes.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
10:27 am
…Whatever, I’m just happy I finally understand how all of this Contract CBA stuff works. Now I don’t have to scroll past it like it’s just jibberish anymore
ILL-logical
June 19th, 2009
10:30 am
The annual Josh stories are a by product of the larger issues of power and control within the organization.There is a faction that simply wants him gone and there are those who wish otherwise. This is the last year for the former group to hold sway.
A simple solution to the short term future(2 years) of the team is to sign Rasheed Wallace as the mobile, outside shooter Woodson’s “system” needs.
There are 3 pluses to this approach:
1. He is cheaper at his stated price of $8 million than either Chris Kaman or Tyson Chandler.
2. He can/has effectively handled both Shaq and dwight Howard in the low post.
3.He fits into the shared view of Sund and Woodson of developing the Hawks around the 2003-4 Pistons model.
The challenges are age and attitude. On the first, play him 25+ a night and on the second maybe the thought of lifting an aspiring hungry team to victory could be sufficient motivation to not only spur his on court performance but to have him share his experience with the his teammates as well. He has always benn regarded as an excellent teammate throughout his NBA travels. Additionally, he and Flip have played together and Woodson was a coach on the championship team.
Last, having Josh and Al play the 3 and 4 under this senerio will take some adjustment time. they can play 20 plus at their new slots and the remainder in other positions as they and the team adjusts to their new roles. now Marvin or his replacement comes off the bench and can provide the front court firepower that Pietrus does for the Magic.And that makes Flip more valuable because he doesn’t have to be the only offensive threat off of the bench.
Just a thought.
Mike is back
June 19th, 2009
10:38 am
MannyT, been meaning to ask u had u had a chance to see Chamique Holdsclaw since she came back…I know she been out for a while… I have wanted to see Holdsclaw since they said she was coming back. I’m hearing the most buzz about Angel McCoughtry out of Louisville…they say she’s a BALLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My pumpkin and me are going to check them out. I hear they are off to a much better start this season. We are planning to catch that Detroit game on the 26th. McCoughtry is out of Baltimore, she looks like the real deal.
RAD
June 19th, 2009
10:51 am
Sekou,
How come the Hawks are talking about the players that they worked out on their website and they won’t allow you to talk about them?
MannyT
June 19th, 2009
10:57 am
Mike I have missed out on my WNBA fix so far. Fortunately, they are streaming & archiving games on the internet. I’ll peek at a few. I see that Holdsclaw is tied for leading scorer, so I guess she still has what it takes to be a force in teh league. They did some work on the roster and look much better off than last year. They must have a very solid front line as well. I see that their dominant center from last year, De Souza, is now starting at PF.
Hoops, I think the trade kicker is one of the few ways a player can exert control over his location. It at least provides a pile of cash if you get shipped off to a place you don’t like.
Compare it to a local example I saw in the AJC about 6 weeks ago. Delta has some job openings because some of the Northwest people said Minneapolis vs Atlanta–we will stay north in a bad economy without a job rather than move to Georgia. Pro athletes, don’t get to make that choice. Essentially because they cannot get a comparable job anywhere else in the country if they choose not to move for work (i.e. accept a trade.)
Sautee I would not stay away for long, but I cannot work the endless supply of draft, trade and free agent options between May and July. I think I’d rather worry about the quality of BBQ at the Stone Mountain Village BBQ Festival this weekend.
http://stonemountainvillage.com/bbq/index.html
Ariose you confused me. All the BYC talk determines how you match salaries for trades. It has nothing to do with how much the teams actually pay the players. We would not have to pay 1/2 of anyone’s salary unless they played here for 1/2 of a season.
I do agree with you and Melvin, Josh dominates most of the talk on the blog and in the arena. He should grow a beard and tell all of us to stay thirsty
BWAF
Big Ray
June 19th, 2009
11:06 am
Astro Joe,
I sure hope not. But since we’re on the subject of bashing.
I got one for y’all.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
11:11 am
MannyT, Exactly thats what i’ve been trying to say. I’ve probably been using the wing terminology but I was referring to how much of josh’s Yearly Salary gets subtracted(1/2 like you just said) as far as matching teams for trades is concerned.
If we were to trade JS(hypotheically speaking) instead of him beang worh 11mill on our end(as fas as mtching salaries is concerned) he would be worth more like 5mill under the BYC.
So lets say we wanted to trade Smoove for Shawn Marion(let’s just say his contract is worth exactly 11 mill) the raptors have coverd their end b/c they have to match for Josh’s Full Yearly Salary right? While the hawks would have to add more players to mke the salaries work Ex: Throwing in speedy’s (5.6mill) and Randolph’s (800K) would hypothetically make bothe sides even correct?
Please let me know if i’m wrong. I’m not tying to beat a dead hore….um….Horse to death here I just want to be able to comprehend this stuff whenever you guys decide to spark up a financial debate(not that I would chime in on the matter or anything……we just currently have nothing better to talk about, so I figure now is as good a time as any to learn before free agenchy heats up) again.
I MUS WRITE
June 19th, 2009
11:13 am
HMMMMM -Intresting Washington is looking to cut payroll- I guess the rumor is AC/Speedy/19th for Stevenson/Songaillia/#5 …. Pull the trigger on that deal and get Tareke Evans or Johnny Flynn
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
11:15 am
*Wrong
*being
*Worth
*covered
*Both
*agency
yes i’m lazy……I just keep right on typing…..sue me……nire, not really
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
11:19 am
I.Mus, Stevenson sucks. He can’t dribble and he has a bad Back and knees. Songaila on the other hand, would be a decent backup Power Forward though.
How about speedy and Randolph for songaila?
Astro Joe
June 19th, 2009
11:21 am
I.MUS, impossible that Wizards would trade #5 and change for #19 and a little more change. Yeah, they may be trying to dump salary or find a vet for the #5 pick, but that trade that you mentioned sounds more like the wishes of a Hawks fan as opposed to a rumor. A trade rumor, in theory, should come from a team’s front office. The one you just mentioned sounds like something written by a Hawks fan on RealGM.
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
11:29 am
Manny, I was getting confused yesterday b/c I thought that under BYC Rules The opposing team would only have to match Josh’s depreciated value(due to BYC). So instead of Toronto Matching the full 11mill(which is around the amout Josh will be earning each season) I thought(past-tense) that they would only have to match 5mill(Josh’s depreciated value under BYC terms….or 1/2 of his yearly salary as you like to say).
I hope that’s better, I probably should’ve not been lazy and just explained it like that from the beginning….but it’s too troublesome if you ask me. I wasn’t that serious about the topic anyway lol. Just wanted to learn something new.
Hoops
June 19th, 2009
11:35 am
Josh is staying. Period. O’kay, offer Acie and the #19 pick for a pick between #6 – #10. Pick T. Evans with that pick to back up JJ and for insurance if he walks next year. Sign Sessions. Resign Flip, Marvin, and Zaza. Sign Rasheed and Charlie V. This team is really strong:
PG-Sessions, Flip
SG-JJ, T. Evans
SF-Marvin, Mo Evans
PF-Josh, Charlie V.
C-Rasheed, Horford, Zaza
If you can’t afford one of these players, then don’t resign Zaza. I think that team can make a run! What do you think?
Ariose
June 19th, 2009
11:39 am
…and I don’t know how or why I go into talking about other teams paying a portion of Smoove’s salary lol. That’s not what I meant of course heh…..Sigh, back to my links!!!! Now that I understand heh.