Let the workouts begin
The Hawks will get a closer look at Wake Forest's Jeff Teague (left) and North Carolina's Wayne Ellington this week. The Hawks are scheduled to host workouts at Philips Arena today through the weekend with the June 25 NBA draft just days away.
HAWKSVILLE - After weeks of relative silence on the Hawks’ workout front, things are going to kick up dramatically today and through the weekend.
The Hawks have a full slate of workouts scheduled at Philips Arena, with players of all shapes and sizes ready to showcase themselves for the team with the 19th pick in the June 25 draft.
Pittsburgh’s DeJuan Blair and Gonzaga’s Josh Heytvelt are scheduled to kick off the festivities this morning at Philips Arena.
They’ll be followed Thursday by a scheduled monster workout crew that includes Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, Georgia Tech’s Lewis Clinch, Xavier’s Derrick Brown, Jonesboro’s own and Florida State star Toney Douglas, and Augusta State big man Garret Siler.
Friday’s scheduled slate includes North Carolina guard Wayne Ellington, VCU’s Eric Maynor, Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, LSU’s Garrett Temple and Marquette’s Wes Matthews. Maynor was initially listed as a Thursday visitor, along with Teague, whose plans have apparently changed as well. From what I’ve learned today (this is an in-blog update from 1:18 on Thursday afternoon) Teague is scheduled to attend Friday’s session as well.
The workouts will continue into the weekend, with the Hawks scheduled to get a closer look North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough and former Stephenson and Georgia Tech standout Alade Aminu on Sunday.
Before you start wondering why guys like Ty Lawson and others aren’t on this workout list, keep in mind that the Hawks have spent every waking moment of basically the last month traveling the country (and in some instances the globe) watching draft workouts and combines and Eurocamp sessions.
I can’t imagine there’s a guy that will be drafted that they haven’t seen already. These workouts here simply offer them another chance to evaluate players they’ve already seen a zillion times already. It also gives them a chance to bring them in to their own facility, see how they respond to the Hawks’ specific drills and questioning and really try and dig into their mettle and competitive nature.
The Hawks aren’t only working out players that they are considering with the 19th pick, they’ve also got the 49th pick in next week’s draft, so they’ve been evaluating and will continue to evaluate players for that pick as well.
Whatever happens, it should prove to be an interesting few days, to say the least.
UPDATE: Sat quietly on the side of the court during the morning workout (the Hawks were gracious enough to allow me in, provided I don’t get into specifics about the workout). Honestly, there isn’t much to be gleaned from these workouts, particularly this late in the game. We’re within a week of the draft. These players have to be a bit exhausted from the process. Heytvelt told me that when it’s all over he’ll have worked out for 15 different teams.
A two-man session doesn’t allow the players the range to do a whole lot other than drills. There was a good pace to it and both guys seemed to perform well. I’m expecting a little more action tomorrow morning, though I was disappointed to learn this afternoon that Teague had been removed from the list of players expected in. I wanted to see he and Maynor in the same workout. It seems we will get to see Maynor (Friday), along with Ellington (who I’ve heard good things about from people who watched him work in Chicago at the pre-draft camp).
Stay tuned to see how things progress through the weekend.
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Sekou Smith
June 18th, 2009
1:12 pm
You’re my guy Nire, but you’re off on both counts. Josh’s approval is required to waive any part of or all of the trade kicker to facilitate a deal. And that’s approval you’re not likely to get if you’re the Hawks. So it does serve as the closest thing to a no-trade clause as you can have without actually having one.
Josh’s BYC runs up until the date of the signing of his contract, which in his case was mid-August. And before you just assume that the numbers on Josh’s salary (as you can find on the ‘net) are what you think they are, keep in mind that the stuff written into an offer sheet is usually far more complicated than it may seem (did anyone know there was a trade kicker included in the deal when it was signed? I was told about it but didn’t even realize the impact it would have until now, nearly a year later). I read Lang’s piece and it was on point.
Astro Joe
June 18th, 2009
1:22 pm
Tyler, I’m going to butcher some spellings, but how about Marciej Lampe? Or Pavel Potenpokopo? Or the guy who played for the Rockets for a year, guard, as I recall (Spanuloiuopiu)? It’s hard to make the comparison because many of the drafted Euro players stay over there. I’ve read about Tiago Splitter for the last 30 years and who knows when or if he’ll ever show up.
(And any team who drafts Rubio better be prepared for the buy-out drama to rear it’s ugly head).
For me, the Hawks have enough problems scouting a guy who played 4 hours away (Shelden). No way would I trust them to forecast the contributions of someone more than 4 time zones away.
dap01
June 18th, 2009
1:54 pm
SEKOU: Any word from the work outs?
Since we would not get equal talent from trading Josh because of the contract situation, then we should NOT trade him. We are in a building mode not a cost cutting mode to save over the hill PG’s. If a move does not help up long term, we should not do it.
I sure hope Sund surprises me.
HawkKingBibby
June 18th, 2009
1:55 pm
Sekou are you sure its mid August when the byc runs out? Ive seen several places where it says it runs out July 1st.
The Flash
June 18th, 2009
2:38 pm
There will be no major moves this year. Period. There will be no major moves until you know what is resolved, which could be a while, unless my boy losses bad. By major moves, I mean either moving JJ or signing someone like Bosh.
So, I would look to the draft. For the life of me, I don’t know why I haven’t heard anyone talking about the big from Michigan State. Now there is a power forward who can shoot, pass, rebound and defend, and completely understands the game.
Oh, I definitely would get rid of Woody if I drafted a Euro like that kid. Definitely.
If I could get Young from Pittsburgh for either MW or Josh, in a second it would be done.
Hawksfanatic
June 18th, 2009
2:40 pm
Nire good post, but you are wrong about the “cap number” for other teams:
“In other words, between now and June 30, Josh’s “cap number” for trades from our perspective is ~$5M. For other teams, it’s ~$16M (his actual salary plus the trade kicker) which makes trading him to a team over the cap impossible.”
For one, Smoove’s trade kicker is not $6 million as has been falsely reported, its actually 15% of his remaining salary. Right now that value is at $7.2 million. You also do not simply add the trade kicker and his current year’s salary, the trade kicker needs to be divided by the number of remaining years on the contract and added to each year. It is paid to Smoove upfront, but for cap purposes it is spread throughout the life of the contract much like how Joe’s signing bonus was calculated. If you want a better discussion on Smoove’s trade kicker, there was a thread on it a few weeks ago on the ‘Squawk. You can see it here: http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php?showtopic=336953
I.MUS WRITE
June 18th, 2009
2:47 pm
Who turned out the lights………. Garret Siler just came into my work…….. Now thats what a center is supposed to look like _Not 6′9 250 but 6′11 300+…. This guy is a monster physically and he looks to be really mobile for a guy his size……. He told me toney douglas was tearing it up in the workout……… Hope we can get both of them-
Tyler
June 18th, 2009
2:52 pm
Astro Joe, Lampe and Spanoulis were 2nd round picks, hardly considered “highly touted”. And I think you mean Vitaly Potapenko who was chosen one pick ahead of Kobe Bryant in 1996. Yea he wasn’t great but he wasn’t a bust either.
Flash, I totally forgot about Goran Suton. He would be a really nice fit for us off the bench. Like you said, he’s tough and he passes, shoots, and rebounds. Can’t ask for more than that from a 2nd round pick.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
2:54 pm
Nire, I’m pretty sire that Until mid-August like sekou stated, we have to pay half of his contract during a trade. After August it doesn’t go up to 10mill for us. We don’t have to pay any part of his salary after that. With that being said, Wouldn’t the BYC acutaully make smooves value go DOWN from 17mill to around 11mill for the team trying to aquire him? Then After Mid-August, wouldn’t it move up to 17mill for any team trying to trade for him?
If i’m wong, that means I haven’t been paying attention to all the lectures MannyT has been giving us about this stuff since forever lol.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
3:01 pm
I.Mus, I haven’t seen any footage of him. Is he any good?
I.MUS WRITE
June 18th, 2009
3:04 pm
Terrell if i were Gm I wouldnt do that trade…… I would do a Josh/AC/1st for Beidrins/Ellis
I.MUS WRITE
June 18th, 2009
3:23 pm
I have’nt sseen anything on him either AJ but going off size-he would be a great pick in round2 but he may not be there when we pick……. I would be willing to bet that that guy is better than Solo and Shellhead right now……I remember him coming in here about a yr ago but i didnt know who he was -seems like a nice kid-i hope we get him….. when I read the scouting reports on him -I looked at the measurements and I expected sumone outta shape and kind of flabby but dude looks put together.
Terrell -I take that back -monte makes to much money – Flip made 1.5 last year and monte is’nt 12mill a year better than flip…….. sumone said it before me but Bedrinis and Wright I would definitely have to think about…………
Trade JJ for QRich…. Thats a joke -no way in hell man
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
3:25 pm
Even after Sekou has written an entire blog dedicated to Josh trade rumors folks still can’t get enough of him. I mean, this blog is suppose to be about potential draft picks. I know, freedom of speech..:)
Josh = “The Most Interesting Man in the World”
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
3:27 pm
IMUS,
Even if Siler doesn’t have skills, sounds like he may scare a few people walking on to the court. RandMo 2.0???????????
JayL
June 18th, 2009
3:29 pm
Hey – any truth to the rumor that Billy Knight will be with the Knicks come July? There’s some talk in NYC….
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
3:30 pm
JayL,
I’m sure a few Hawks fans would pay for his bus ticket to get out of the A-town…
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
3:31 pm
Sekou,
Check out Larry Coon’s FAQ on BYC:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73
If [BYC provisions] apply, then the player is considered a base year player. A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later.
No offense to Lang, but I’ll take Larry Coon’s word over his on salary cap rules any day.
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
3:35 pm
Also, two things:
One the “~” indicated that I was guesstimating the salary/trade numbers since I didn’t want to take the time to look it up and do the math on the bonus (which I DO realize is 15% of his remaining contract).
And second, I said “I’m pretty sure” because of this, which is in Q85 of Coon’s FAQ:
For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him)..
Admittedly, that means we can’t trade Josh until August, but it also means the trade kicker in and of itself.
Again, on salary cap issues, Coon is the man. Lang Whitaker is not.
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
3:36 pm
*means the trade kicker in and of itself doesn’t give Josh a right to veto trades.
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
3:38 pm
Lastly, Hawksfanatic is right about the kicker being spread out over the life of the contract rather than being paid out all at once. I misread Coon’s faq entry on that point…my bad.
Daniel
June 18th, 2009
3:44 pm
you know guys that is thing about the NBA and the cap and contracts and all that. It is overly complicated. Yet, some teams(Boston, LA, NY) never seem to get caught by it. Is it just me or does it seem like the whole system is set up to be mysterious and confusing so that certain franchises succeed? Or am I just paranoid.
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
3:45 pm
Melvin, Lol @ Dos Equis refrence hehehehe…….
KevinA
June 18th, 2009
3:49 pm
According to Hoops Hype Josh will only leave if he wants to leave. Josh can nix any deal.
With Woodys offense Josh ends up with the ball at the top of the key with little time remaining. Does that make him a point guard?
MannyT
June 18th, 2009
3:51 pm
I have no idea what Josh’s trade kicker is. Per the CBA, it cannot be more than 15% of the remaining value of his contract. If the whole deal was 5 yr/58 mil without option years, there will be $48 mil left…so max trade kicker is $7.2 mil…matches Lang’s SLAM article.
The italicized info below is referenced line from article XXIV, section 2(a)(ii) of the NBA CBA.
(ii) A trade bonus shall not exceed 15% of the Base Compensation remaining to be earned by the player pursuant to the Contract at the time of the trade (excluding an Option Year if not yet exercised).
For the few folks that would say it could be higher if a draft day deal is done, just keep in mind that most draft day deals that involve BYC players are not effective until after their base year is over. There has been some back & forth about when Josh is no longer BYC. I think the date is July 1, 2009. BYC lasts until that latter of 6 months after you sign a contract OR the next June 30. (Yes there are some funky exceptions that were written for niremetal and the legal crew, but I don’t think they apply to Smith.
The italicized info below is referenced line from the latter half of article VII, Section 6(h)(4)(ii) of the NBA CBA.
A player’s Base Year Compensation shall go into effect on the date the new contract is entered into or, in the case of an Extension, the day following the last day of the Moratorium Period that precedes the first Season of the extended term and shall expire and be of no further effect on the later of (x) the following June 30, or (y) six (6) months following the date the Base Year Compensation goes into effect.
Ariose, don’t put me in the hot seat unless Regis or Meredith Viera has a check for me. I don’t know of circumstances where the old team pays the salary of a guy on a new team under the same contract in the NBA. There are pleny of examples of the old team paying the old contract of a guy that no longer plays for them. Now if Josh had something funky written into his contract, I have no way of knowing. Sekou brought up the great point that we know little about the contractual details of any of these guys. If your agent is worth his/her share, there should be something in all of those contacts that make it more than any of us pulling down a template into a Word processor and pulling the all mighty replace player name with (actual player name).
If not, please sign me up for agent school TODAY. I am very confident in my basic Microsoft Office skills.
BWAF
MannyT
June 18th, 2009
4:03 pm
FYI, someone posted concerns to Lang about some of his detail on the Josh trade thing. Lang noted that he will address those questions on Friday in the Links.
Soon, you’ll know.
BWAF
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
4:06 pm
Nire,
In your link, I notice Coon made this statement below.
“For Larry Bird or Early Bird players, the player’s BYC begins on the date he signs his contract. ”
Wouldn’t that mean Josh BYC provision would apply until Mid August (when he signed his contract)?????
Ariose
June 18th, 2009
4:06 pm
Manny, LOL. Didn’t mean to drag you into the debate hehehe…..So I guess Josh’s BYC isn’t much of a problem at this juncture b/c teams trying to aquire him wold just wait until July 1st.
Sekou Smith
June 18th, 2009
4:09 pm
Siler is one big cat. Since I can’t write about what I saw (that’s the only way they are allowing me into the workouts) I can tell you that today’s session was pretty impressive. Each guy had his moments and Siler tossed his weight around pretty well for a dude who has only played the game for a short period of time. He’s not like RandMo, who is a tremendously skilled but hardly a banger. Mullens is no little fella either. But he’s not nearly as heavy or powerful at 18 or 19 as Siler showed today. Again, it was a stellar showing by all involved.
Nire, I respect Larry Coon as the end all be all on cap issues and the like. But there are provisions written into an offer sheet that have to be adhered to, things that are well within the guidelines of the CBA. And the way it’s been explained to me time and again is that the BYC doesn’t expire until the date Josh’s contract was signed. Again, if you don’t have the details of the offer sheet that the Hawks had to sign (few people do and while I obviously don’t have a copy, I realize that they are not dealing with just a standard contract. They are dealing with an offer sheet that was designed with all sorts of booby traps intended to keep them from matching it).
And as for the fluctuating number on the trade kicker … just because the average salary for Josh’s new deal is $11.6 million doesn’t mean that’s what he earned in the first season of the deal (one last time, these offer sheets are designed in ways to appease the team making the offer, therefore they can structure it however they see fit under the rules of the CBA).
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
4:35 pm
Nire,
Please ignore my 4:06 post. I believe you are right about July 1st Josh BYC would no longer apply. Like you said, according to Q85. We can’t trade Josh until after the 1st year of his contract which would be in August.
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
4:41 pm
Sekou,
I def understand that the contract can have provisions that do weird things that place restrictions beyond those required under the CBA. So if there are additional provisions like a no-clause included in Josh’s contract, I get that. And again – I was approximating the salaries, not giving them in absolute terms (which is why I put tildes in front of all the salaries). But Lang’s article made it sound like the trade kicker is what created a no-trade provision in Josh’s contract:
Basically, a “trade kicker” works like a no-trade clause. To have a no-trade clause as an NBA player, you have to have 8 years of service with the same team. Josh does not have that much service with the Hawks, but the kicker basically works like a no-trade, as far as the player is concerned.
That makes it sound like all trade kickers have a no-trade clause effect. All I’m saying is that the trade kicker is a separate thing from any trade restrictions – although yes, I should have granted that Josh’s specific contract might tie the two together. The important thing to remember, which Whitaker did not acknowledge, is that if the other team IS willing to pay the trade kicker, Josh would not inherently have the right to veto the trade by virtue of the trade kicker.
In short, Whitaker was wrong and I was also wrong.
Melvin,
MannyT’s post did a good job of explaining it better than I did. You’re right about the BYC beginning on the date he signed his contract, but for some reason you read it as “For Larry Bird or Early Bird players, the player’s BYC begins on the date he signs his contract and last for one year” even though the last 5 words aren’t there. Here’s the way to look at it, which is pulled from different parts of the same question on that FAQ:
For Larry Bird or Early Bird players, the player’s BYC begins on the date he signs his contract… A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later.
In any case, the issue with trading Smoove is less the BYC rules and more the trade kicker rules and whatever restrictive provisions the Grizzlies built into their offer sheet to Smoove.
niremetal
June 18th, 2009
4:43 pm
Sorry, Melvin, saw your post too late
Now back to the bar books…
E43
June 18th, 2009
4:51 pm
the rosters are set we can only hope. i mean with josh smiths contract the only way we can get a superstar is if we draft one, the other way is if we cut some players sign one on the wire and build around him, however that would be taking the hawks team and organization backwards. right now the hawks will continue to get role players and build towards being a team like the pistons championship team. ive heard and read about trade scenarios all day but none of them include superstars. im sure someone Philadelphia fans have dibs on certain hawks players
Big Ray
June 18th, 2009
4:57 pm
When arguing semantics (what it may as well be to us, since none of us are making decisions with or for the Hawks organization), I’ll go with Lang and Sekou (guys who follow the team much, much closer than the rest of us are even capable of), with a nod to Mr. MannyT, who never overextends himself, and has a good working knowledge in the “numbers game.”
But the fact that this is a running conversation shows just how bored we really are…
Sautee
June 18th, 2009
5:03 pm
Clyde,
You said this: “Thabeet might not be impressive to yall but he’s just what this team needs. And that’s a defensive minded center that can block shots. If Horford can’t do it lets bring in someone else to try and get the job done.”
This is no knock on Thabeet, who certainly has the dreaded P word. BUT,
Horford RAISED his block shot total this year to 1.42 / gm. according to nba.com / stats. His block totals were higher than Nene, Joakim Noah, Sheed, Tyson Chandler, and Dampier, ALL of whom are supposed to be a defensive presence in the lane. And some of whom you have championed to bring here.
He was only .02 % behind Shaq, for God’s sake.
Between his rookie year and this past year, he raised his blocks by almost half a block per game (.94 to 1.42).
If his blocks go up that much again (doubtful, but possible) he would be the 7th highest center in the league.
I’m with Astro Joe on this one. Find a bruiser who can play 20 minutes and play them even more when we play Yao, Howard, etc.
But, by and large, the numbers actually support Sund’s view that Al is doing fine at Center.
newkid
June 18th, 2009
5:19 pm
Good and useful perspective Sekou. After having read some of the media reports about the potentially obstructive language Memphis wisely placed in the Smoove offer, one can’t but wonder why a GM intent on ‘meeting’ an offer would allow himself to be ‘cornered’ by the contrived offer of another GM. Seems the $$$ the Hawks might have saved (as it were) by reacting to Memphis’ offer – rather than proactively making an offer of its own – may turn out to have been extremely unwise. There are precious few substitutes – particularly in the business world – for surrounding one’s self with smart forward-thinking personnel.
Big Ray
June 18th, 2009
5:34 pm
Newkid,
Some people don’t like to surround themselves with smart, forward-thinking personnel. They view them as threats to either their job, or their iron-fisted control. It may be that our GM AND head coach have the same disease….or I could be talking out of my lower orifice, but the proof, as they say, is in the pudding.
Other teams worry about the summer of 2010. I’d be glad if we manage to do more than limp through ‘09..
newkid
June 18th, 2009
5:37 pm
I hear ya Ray.
O'brien
June 18th, 2009
5:38 pm
Sekou,
If Acie matched up one on one against Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, or Patty Mills, who do you think would win? And why?
terrell barron
June 18th, 2009
5:53 pm
Remember whaen a lot of people were hollering for Corey Brewer a couple of years ago? Is he still in the league? lol!
terrell barron
June 18th, 2009
5:56 pm
Obrien, it depends on if Ole Woodrow is in the building or not.
terrell barron
June 18th, 2009
5:57 pm
Ole Woodrow(the confidence shaker)that is.
MannyT
June 18th, 2009
6:10 pm
Ray, thanks for the kind words of objectivity. I’ll grab that 8 oz glass that has 4 oz of water in it and smile
We are in that no activity, bash things about in the summer mode that I like to call canniblogging. I think that Silence of the Lambs guy would have been great at it
I would guess that it is mathematically possible, but realistically unfeasible to move Josh soon. Not to say that he would never be traded, but I think Sund has enough to do with all of the free agents and draft picks.
But if you really want to throw a fantasy hook in things, if we renounce the unrestricted free agents and tender Marvin, I believe the Hawks would be under the salary cap even with the holds for the draft picks and roster fills. If we are under the cap BYC does not apply.
Now all you conspiracy theorists can have at it…just keep in mind that this is a crazy concept. Renouncing Zaza means no Bird rights, no sign & trade opportunity. I think renouncing Bibby effectively tells him to leave even though staying meant a pay cut. Not sure what renouncing Flip means aside from telling the rest of the league that we are idiots. We have no Bird rights for Flip even though he is getting a raise.
Sekou, we need to make a No Evil offseason calendar for you. In this time of year, you can see the action, but cannot tell…this is speak no evil season. During the dead of summer after the free agents are signed, there is little or nothing going on…See no evil season. When the preseason starts, there is nothing to actually worry about because regardless of the level of play, it does not count–even complaints are a little premature…thus Hear No Evil season. From November to the end of the playoffs–it is on…all evil allowed
BWAF
MannyT
June 18th, 2009
6:13 pm
terrell, that is cold. Corey Brewer was hurt this season.
Isn’t he essentially Chills lite? The way people keep talking about bringing Chills back, maybe Brewer would have a role here if he were available.
BWAF
O'brien
June 18th, 2009
7:21 pm
Guys, I saw this on Hoopshype.com. They were talking about Stephen Curry.
- extremely poised and confident
- great feel for the game
- loves big moments
- Limited upside
- soso athleticism
- defensive potential is a concern.
Guess who they compared him to? Mike Bibby.
Sautee
June 18th, 2009
7:48 pm
Manny T,
LOL, and welcome back.
Hoops
June 18th, 2009
8:14 pm
Manny T,
It sounds to me like the 7.2M trade kicker has eliminated teams from being interested in Josh. It also sounds like Josh was wanting to leave the Hawks last summer when he agreed to put the trade kicker in his contract. He was probably very surprised that the Hawks matched the Grizzlies offer, as was Memphis.
A Thinking Fan
June 18th, 2009
8:30 pm
Hawk’s Fans, you have a coach who can’t develop young players! Why move MW before you remove the real problem – MW HC
Hoops
June 18th, 2009
8:39 pm
I hope the Hawks have a plan to improve their draft position. I believe there are some good players to be had in this draft, but we are going to have to move up to get them. The only players that we have under contract that I would use to trade for a draft pick are Acie, Speedy, Morris, & Mo Evans. If we plan on going after Sessions @ PG, I would shop any of these players and our #19 pick for a 6-10 pick.
I don’t think there is a PG any better than Acie in this draft with the exception of Rubio. I would be afraid to draft him because he may not be able to get out of his contract kicker. If this is true, the Hawks need to move up to get the best SG or PF. I don’t think there is a center, with the exception of Thabeet, that is better than Zaza.
So, if my thinking is correct, the Hawks should plan on re-signing Flip, to back up Sessions, and Zaza. We need a SG to back up JJ in case we loose him next summer. I would like to see the Hawks move up to get T. Evans and use their #19 to get a PF to back up Josh if they don’t trade it. A better plan would be to make an offer to Charlie V. I don’t see a center that we can get to help @ this point.
This would not be a bad line up:
PG-Sessions, Flip
SG-JJ, T. Evans
SF-Marvin, Mo Evans
PF-Josh, Charlie V.
C-Horford, Zaza
Sekou Smith
June 18th, 2009
9:13 pm
O’brien,
I think Acie was as good or better than any of those point guard prospects coming out of college. Now he has two years of NBA experience that they don’t, so I don’t know if it’s fair to judge who would win between all those cats. I don’t believe any of them are head and shoulders better than Acie – to try and answer your question. Ha.
Acie is a talent. And I don’t think anyone can dispute that. He’s just been injured so much and out of the rotation for so long that it’s hard for any of us to get a good read on where he is going into this summer. I’m more inclined to worry about what the Hawks plan on doing for a starting point guard than I am about who is going to be the backup.
Melvin
June 18th, 2009
9:15 pm
They are talking about the Hawks on NBA TV right now…