Let the workouts begin

The Hawks will get a closer look at Wake Forest's Jeff Teaugue (left) and North Carolina's Wayne Ellington this week. Pre-draft workouts will run every day through the weekend at Philips Arena.

The Hawks will get a closer look at Wake Forest's Jeff Teague (left) and North Carolina's Wayne Ellington this week. The Hawks are scheduled to host workouts at Philips Arena today through the weekend with the June 25 NBA draft just days away.

 

 

HAWKSVILLE - After weeks of relative silence on the Hawks’ workout front, things are going to kick up dramatically today and through the weekend.

The Hawks have a full slate of workouts scheduled at Philips Arena, with players of all shapes and sizes ready to showcase themselves for the team with the 19th pick in the June 25 draft.

Pittsburgh’s DeJuan Blair and Gonzaga’s Josh Heytvelt are scheduled to kick off the festivities this morning at Philips Arena. 

They’ll be followed Thursday by a scheduled monster workout crew that includes Ohio State’s BJ Mullens, Georgetown’s DaJuan Summers, Wake Forest’s Jeff Teague, Georgia Tech’s Lewis Clinch, Xavier’s Derrick Brown, Jonesboro’s own and Florida State star Toney Douglas, and Augusta State big man Garret Siler.

Friday’s scheduled slate includes North Carolina guard Wayne Ellington, VCU’s Eric Maynor, Missouri’s DeMarre Carroll, LSU’s Garrett Temple and Marquette’s Wes Matthews. Maynor was initially listed as a Thursday visitor, along with Teague, whose plans have apparently changed as well. From what I’ve learned today (this is an in-blog update from 1:18 on Thursday afternoon) Teague is scheduled to attend Friday’s session as well. 

The workouts will continue into the weekend, with the Hawks scheduled to get a closer look North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough and former Stephenson and Georgia Tech standout Alade Aminu on Sunday.

Before you start wondering why guys like Ty Lawson and others aren’t on this workout list, keep in mind that the Hawks have spent every waking moment of basically the last month traveling the country (and in some instances the globe) watching draft workouts and combines and Eurocamp sessions.

I can’t imagine there’s a guy that will be drafted that they haven’t seen already. These workouts here simply offer them another chance to evaluate players they’ve already seen a zillion times already. It also gives them a chance to bring them in to their own facility, see how they respond to the Hawks’ specific drills and questioning and really try and dig into their mettle and competitive nature.

The Hawks aren’t only working out players that they are considering with the 19th pick, they’ve also got the 49th pick in next week’s draft, so they’ve been evaluating and will continue to evaluate players for that pick as well.

Whatever happens, it should prove to be an interesting few days, to say the least.

UPDATE: Sat quietly on the side of the court during the morning workout (the Hawks were gracious enough to allow me in, provided I don’t get into specifics about the workout). Honestly, there isn’t much to be gleaned from these workouts, particularly this late in the game. We’re within a week of the draft. These players have to be a bit exhausted from the process. Heytvelt told me that when it’s all over he’ll have worked out for 15 different teams.

A two-man session doesn’t allow the players the range to do a whole lot other than drills. There was a good pace to it and both guys seemed to perform well. I’m expecting a little more action tomorrow morning, though I was disappointed to learn this afternoon that Teague had been removed from the list of players expected in. I wanted to see he and Maynor in the same workout. It seems we will get to see Maynor (Friday), along with Ellington (who I’ve heard good things about from people who watched him work in Chicago at the pre-draft camp).

Stay tuned to see how things progress through the weekend.

396 comments Add your comment

Ric Roc

June 17th, 2009
9:53 am

What’s frustrating is that a team like the Cavs is making a real push to win today by attempting to add Shaq, while we are placing our hopes in draft picks…we don’t even know if we’ll bring our own guys back…

Kevin

June 17th, 2009
9:55 am

Draft Maynor!

Steve

June 17th, 2009
9:57 am

Sekou – I had a chat with a buddy of mine last night, and I said I’d deal JJ and our 1st round pick for a shot at Thabeet. He said I was nuts (mostly because he thinks Thabeet is uncoordinated and wasn’t that good at Uconn). That said, I think the opportunity to score a long big doesn’t come around often, so I’d take the chance – not sure if any team in the top 5 would be willing to deal though.

Whatcha think?

Steve

June 17th, 2009
9:58 am

Ric Roc –

You know what else? I was thinking the other day – I would argue that nearly all of the playoff teams (minus the bottom 4 in the east) had 3 players (per team) better than the Hawks 2nd best player. When is the organization going to bring some big talent to Atlanta and try and beat the best?

Melvin

June 17th, 2009
10:04 am

Steve,
I agree with your friend. I watch Thabeet many times and he’s not impressive at all.

I think Dejuan Summers will be the sleeper of this draft. 6-8/9 guy that can play on the wing and the post. He would be a good backup to Marvin off the bench. However, taking him at #19 may be a reach considering many draft experts/guru’s have him going near the bottom of the 1st rnd or early 2nd…

UGA

June 17th, 2009
10:05 am

What IF:

Phoenix would send us Amare Stoudimire straight up for Josh Smith, (don’t know if I would agree or not as a Hawk)- would you do it??

Daniel

June 17th, 2009
10:05 am

Steve-
Thabeet is not worth that move.
I am interested in where Toney Douglas may go. Any chance he drops into the second round. He is a reach at 19 but a STEAL at 49. I would love to have a guy like that on this team.

Daniel

June 17th, 2009
10:07 am

UGA- I would not touch that move with a 10 foot pole. Why would you want an older, more injured, equally malcontented player for Josh? The only reasonable move I can see with Josh would be Bosh, and that would only work if Bosh were willing to resign here.

jhan

June 17th, 2009
10:09 am

Ric Roc – should the Hawks just ignore the players in the draft? Isn’t the draft where you fill in your roster with good but inexpensive players? How about guys that are starters in this league that were drafted in the lower 1st round & 2nd round? Don’t you want the Hawks to thoroughly evaluate every option available to make this team better?

UGA

June 17th, 2009
10:09 am

I still say keep everyone (Bibby, Flip, ZaZa and Marvin. Sign a scoring PF (Charlie V/McDyess/Drew Gooden) and a backup PG (Sessions/Felton/Jack/CJ Watson).

UGA

June 17th, 2009
10:14 am

I agree with Bosh, I’m not too sure about Amare.

mountain_jim

June 17th, 2009
10:27 am

How much input will Sund allow Woody into these selections I wonder? And I still want to know who had to have Shellhead at 5 – Woody or Billy?

Hoops

June 17th, 2009
10:39 am

There is no way I would trade Josh for Thabeet! I would not trade him for Griffin. If we trade Josh, it must be big! Bosh, yes! M. Gasol and their #2 pick for Josh, yes! We need a 5 and a PG. I think we can sign Sessions for the PG. If we trade Josh, we must get a starting 5 out of it!!!

clint

June 17th, 2009
10:42 am

without a point guard signed (sorry acie law is not a pg, much like salim wasnt) ty lawson is the pick, let him slip and slide all the way down to 19 just like he slided all the way to the national championship. Speed is what we need at the point and he should start after a full season or two.

Ced

June 17th, 2009
10:49 am

The Hawks should not make ANY irrational trades to move up in this draft. There just isn’t anyone available this year that warrants us trading our best guys to move up. Now a trade for future picks or a trade for young pieces, that can play, and already in the league wouldn’t be a bad move. We better not trade Josh though. He did a great job in the playoffs, he had his bad moments but they were no worse than Joe’s or Al’s, and showed he can get even better. Josh deserves more loyalty and more patience. I hate hearing that we are in discussions about trading our most DYNAMIC player because he had a couple of bad moments in a horrible series for his team, a series in which he was the most productive throughout

O'brien

June 17th, 2009
10:50 am

Sekou,

You have said that Hawksville is split on Acie. if they draft a PG with the 19th pick, does that mean that Acie is out of here, or is it possible thay they will keep both of them, and possibly end up with 4 PG’s (Starter, Flip, Acie, 19th pick)?

glw

June 17th, 2009
10:51 am

UGA,

Its a tough call, Bosh is more adept offensively than Josh, but not sure about the defense, and would have to be pretty sure I could resign him long term.

Amare, I think is a better fit when you think of the offense in the context of Joe and or Bibby, having Amare who is a beast on the inside, would make our shooters more effective.

Honestly, I would just prefer to keep Josh, I would like to have Bosh or Stoudamire to go with him, and would prefer moving Big AL instead.

smartguy

June 17th, 2009
10:52 am

Steve, I said that same thing a few weeks ago. I am in complete agreement with you. Even if its not Thabeet, I would still trade Joe, and of course I would fire Woody.

Hawks73

June 17th, 2009
10:53 am

I agree that the Hawks should make every attempt at keeping Bibby, Flip, ZaZa, & even Marvin. They should strongly consider what they could get for JJ, and if it’s enough return value make a deal. Marvin is a lesser version of JJ but could fill that role in time. The ownership group has proven to be very cheap with the salary cap, so don’t expect too much in the way of free agent signings.

bigdave

June 17th, 2009
10:53 am

Sautee….

maybe statistically… but post skill?

Sautee

June 17th, 2009
10:53 am

I posted this on the old blog before I knew we had switched over, so I beg your pardon for the redundancy.

big dave,

about this: “however, i do look at Al and his skill relative to other bigs who were highly touted coming out of college; Emeka, Bogut, Lamarcus… all showed growth, progression, maturation in their game year to year (1st to 2nd even)… like i said, its as if his offensive game has regressed”

OK, I’ll give you Aldridge, but Okafor and Bogut?

Okafor’s scoring went DOWN in his second year, back up the next, and has gone DOWN since. And I’d guess he’s the third option on offense.

Bogut after 4 years is averaging 11.9 and 8.7 and he’s either the second or third option on offense. (Second while Redd was hurt) Horford’s looking pretty comparable at 10.8 and 9.5

Al is at best the 5th option (and with the minutes Flip played, he’s more like the 6th option) and yet in his second season he RAISED his scoring average with FEWER fga / gm than the year before. He also cut his turnovers and raised his assists, AND his FG %. That’s offensive progression, even if we’d all like more.

I was like you and expected a bigger bump from his offense. But you CANNOT deny that he had fewer chances with the ball than all of the players you compared him to.

Now, we can go round and round as to WHY he’s the 5th or 6th option, but it’s undeniable that he had fewer chances.

Khao$

June 17th, 2009
11:05 am

Honestly, it’s hard for me to get hyped about the draft #1 because of where we are picking and #2 Sund history with drafts may be worse than Billy Knight’s. I still don’t trust Rick Sund.

Sautee

June 17th, 2009
11:21 am

big dave,

Post skill…. is that something the best bloggers aspire to? ;-)

Yeah, I KNOW what you are saying, but look at where they all came from.

At Texas LA was “the man”

At UConn, Okafor was the second option after Ben Gordon. Bogut was 1st option at Utah.

On the other hand, Horford played on a team that had 5 double figure scorers in the starting lineup. He was asked to do just what he does here. Rebound, play good D and post up on occasion. I still say force feed him the ball and he will blossom. Yes, he looks wooden at times. So how does he acquire some fluidity? Not by ignoring him, that’s for sure.

Also, as I posted to Astro Joe last week, Horford could get us some easy points if we took advantage of his hustling down court. And that wouldn’t take a big bump in post skill, just an attitude change to push the ball.

HawkKingBibby

June 17th, 2009
11:49 am

DERRICK BROWN DERRICK BROWN DERRICK BROWN

darrell starks

June 17th, 2009
12:18 pm

Trade the pick im tired of being call the youngest team in the nba no more excuse.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 17th, 2009
12:23 pm

The 19th pick horford and marvin for bosh.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
1:45 pm

I’m thinking it was Woody who wanted Shellhead, not BK. Billy likes long and athletic guys. (Chills,Smith,Diaw,etc.) Just doesn’t seem like a pick he would make. And I hope Mullens doesn’t come in here and light it up playing against HIS SELF like Marvin Williams did. Nique will probably wet his pants again. How can you evaluate a player in non game situations? No to BJ Mullens! Nigue and Woody, stay out of the war room. PLEASE! I’d rather take my chances with Sund’s no drafting azz.

richbrave

June 17th, 2009
2:10 pm

doc:

Have you read BRADLEY’s column on CARON BUTLER to the WIZ for MARVIN WILLIAMS?

mountain_jim

June 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

Terrell I agree that BK probably let Woody have his way on Shellhead – BK’s worst ever pick imho… probably one of the reasons he wanted Woody fired several times.

doc

June 17th, 2009
2:32 pm

rich, no i havent but that would be fine with me, do you want marvin?

Dennis

June 17th, 2009
2:38 pm

I’d be happy with any of the UNC guys. They just know how to play basketball over there. Roy Williams runs a very NBA-like conditioning program because they play smart run and gun basketball (the secondary break) so you know they’ll be NBA-ready bodies. Ellington has the tools to be one of the better shooters in the NBA. Lawson has developed his shooting every year in college and Hansbrough has developed a nice mid-range jumper as well. Lawson is one of the best at taking care of the ball and his compact body is great around the rim, which is really impressive in their kind of offense. Ellington has great catch and shooting ability but he has a nice handle too which tells me he could develop a shot off the dribble too. And he’s sneaky athletic. So is Hansbrough, who is renowned for his workout discipline. You can’t go wrong with any three of these guys. Danny Green would a great pick in the 2nd round also. He has great range and could be an elite defender.

Dennis

June 17th, 2009
2:46 pm

Alade Aminu would be a very Billy Knight type of pick. I’d stay away from anyone that’s been around Paul Hewitt for that long. Luckily for Thad Young and Bosh, they got away early.

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
2:58 pm

Just heard another Josh Smith rumor for the millionth time. lol!! Smith and Acie Law to GS for Monte Ellis and Brandon Wright. Thoughts?

Sautee

June 17th, 2009
3:18 pm

tb,

If we’re shipping Josh to GS I want Biedrens. Period.

richbrave

June 17th, 2009
3:24 pm

doc:

Only under the circumstancers I outlined earlier.

Melvin

June 17th, 2009
3:26 pm

Terrell,

Considering the Hawks resign Bibby and Flip and you know Joe is going to play a ton of mins in the backcourt as well. Who would be the odd man out if the Hawks acquire Monte? That’s almost 35-40 mil spent in the backcourt alone. I think some of that money could be better spent elsewhere. And how would replacing Brandon with Josh at the 4 be an improvement???

Clyde

June 17th, 2009
3:30 pm

Didn’t they draft Sheldon Williams without bringing him in for a workout?

Clyde

June 17th, 2009
3:35 pm

Thabeet might not be impressive to yall but he’s just what this team needs. And that’s a defensive minded center that can block shots. If Horford can’t do it lets bring in someone else to try and get the job done.

O'brien

June 17th, 2009
3:37 pm

tb,

No way I acquire Monte Ellis. His contract is too rich. And Brandon has too much to learn. Now if we could get Biedrins and Brandon for Josh and the 19th pick maybe, that’s one to think about.

detrain

June 17th, 2009
4:01 pm

After last year’s playoff series performace against Boston, Josh and Al have to be untouchable. They possess the fight/energy we need.

My observation tells me that the hawks team has a shooting pecking order. Instruct Marvin to shoot more and he will shoot with a better precentage than anyone on the team. Marvin can average 20 pts a game.

The best use of the PG allotment is to go after Sessions, because Bibby want come cheap enough. There is enough cap space to acquire Session and Charlie V.

Joe is our only All-star, but his greatest value is in a trade with NY or NJ. they need a chip to lure another all-star next year. Joe will leave at the end of next year. NY can offer Q. Rich, David Lee and the #8 pick. Move Lee and a lesser player to obtain Thabeet in the draft. We still have experience in Q Rich. at shooting guard. We have added debth; at center (shot blocking/rebounding), backcourt guard with the 8th pick (pt. or shooting) and a young Joe with the 19th pick (Marcus Thornton).

The team is better and faster.

rms

June 17th, 2009
4:40 pm

Based on the Hawks draft history I am not all impressed just because they got guys working out in their gym and are traveling all over looking at different players. Someone obviously aint listening or dropped the ball when it comes to selecting who to draft because otherwise we wouldnt have blown so many obvious picks in the past. I know other teams mess up too its just for a team that has been losing for so long and deep playoff history of championship trophy a missed draft pick can cause your team a title.

cp

June 17th, 2009
4:58 pm

Yea I like Derrick Brown too. I would trade down to get him though and try to add another second round pick. I think it will be some nice talent in the second round. Seeing how we are cheap I’m guessing they would love to add inexpensive players to the roster. Ive been on the Clark, Terrance Williams, and Sam Young bandwagon for a minute now. If Clark and Williams are gone trade down and get Derrick Brown. I don’t like Mullens at all. He is raw and will need time but for some reason we never send guys to the NBDL which is where he will need to be to get some pt and experience. I forgot about Teague. I would take him if Clark and Williams are off the board. SO let me change it, Derrick Brown only if Clark, Williams, and Teague are off the board.

JustAThought

June 17th, 2009
4:59 pm

The NBA draft and Ric Sund equals…………NOTHING!

E43

June 17th, 2009
5:07 pm

we need a center and a point but the problem is. there are too many rotational and trust issues with the hawks. yes we can live with some but we cant have 1st 2nd and 3rd string rotational issues. were going to draft young catz that will need to concentrate on their own possition.
1st string
power forward playing center. drafting a center keeps the same issues or forces someone out the line up. joe overplaying minutes.

2nd tring
flip murray is listed as joes back up but he is also the 2nd string point guard. he will not want to come back and play behind a rookie and any rookie we draft may have to play behing him and we have another young pg being wasted out there.

3rd string
speedy, was a talented quick player but doesnt do much now.

this will be an interesting summer. mr sund has very many crucial decisions to make and the salary cap wont help much oh and j chill is a no go if flip murray signs first+ vice versa

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
5:16 pm

Replace JJ with Q-Rich??? lol!!

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
5:18 pm

NBA Draft combine at 7:30 on NBA TV.

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
5:19 pm

Damn, the Hawks just selected Rumeal Robinson. Oh, that’s the 93 draft there showing at the moment. Thank Goodness. lol!!!

terrell barron

June 17th, 2009
5:34 pm

I’m sure we’d let Bibby go if we were to make that trade for Monte. And Brandon Wright might not be ready yet, but he sure did look good against us last year. He gave us fits. But I agree, Biedreins and Wright for Smith and 19 would be a lot better. Not sure if I’d do that either, but I’d definitely consider it. Depends on who we could get at 19.

Clyde

June 17th, 2009
5:36 pm

Fire Woody and Draft Thabet. Lets send Joe to a contender because in all reality he’s not going to win a championship here. Joe needs to play for a team that has a goal of winning a championship each year. Our goal was getting out of the first round this year and next year will be getting out of the second. Joe deserves better.

Lets send Joe and Horford to Memphis for Gay and the second pick.

Clyde

June 17th, 2009
5:37 pm

And yes Memphis can contend for a championship next year!!