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		<title>By: NBA-Wechselgerüchte V: T-Mac zu Knicks? Josh Smith weg? Amar&#8217;e für Al? Wade lässt Miami warten. &#124; FIVE Basketball-Magazin - NBA blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>NBA-Wechselgerüchte V: T-Mac zu Knicks? Josh Smith weg? Amar&#8217;e für Al? Wade lässt Miami warten. &#124; FIVE Basketball-Magazin - NBA blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gerüchte um einen Trade von Atlantas Josh Smith sind kaum der Rede wert. Allerdings wurde eine Transfer des [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/06/15/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/comment-page-4/#comment-15606</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Najeh, I&#039;ve seen you trash Euros on this blog before and now again with Rubio.  You&#039;d rather have even more unproven players like Jennings and Maynor?. What have you seen of them, by the way, that makes you so sure to use that kind of assured tone? I&#039;m guessing you&#039;ve seen Jennings on youtube and Maynor in the tournament a couple times? Maynor is a senior and he&#039;s still not considered a lottery prospect in a weak draft, so what do you expect from him in the NBA?  And Jennings barely made a blip in Europe and has an ego more outrageous than his flat top. You&#039;re telling me you&#039;ll take those two &quot;any day&quot; over a guy who started on the Spanish national team against USA and played well? Get out of here. And do you want to back up that &quot;much higher percent of highly touted Euros never make it big in the NBA&quot; statement with some actual facts? Let&#039;s see, Sarunas, Tskitishvili, Darko, Radmanovic, Kristic, Nachbar, Welsch, Cabarkapa, Khryapa, Podkolzine, and Korolev can be labled as highly touted Euro busts. For everyone one of those, there&#039;s like twice times as many in the Dirk, Petrovic, Schrempf, Sabonis, Parker, Diaw, Bargnani, Kukoc, Radja, Smits, Peja, Gasol, Divac, Ilgauskas, Turkoglu, Fernandez, Calderon, Bellinelli, Kirilenko, Biedrins, etc. category.  Do I even need to list the American busts?  There&#039;s probably more American busts in the 2000 and 2001 drafts than the total number of Euro busts.  This is just typical xenophobic BS from Americans.  And by the way, that was just European players, not even the many great International players that have added diversity and culture to a diverse and beautiful worldly game.  If you don&#039;t appreciate that and would rather stick to boring and false cliches like &quot;they&#039;re soft&quot; or &quot;they&#039;re floppers&quot;, you&#039;re just not a true basketball fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Najeh, I&#8217;ve seen you trash Euros on this blog before and now again with Rubio.  You&#8217;d rather have even more unproven players like Jennings and Maynor?. What have you seen of them, by the way, that makes you so sure to use that kind of assured tone? I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;ve seen Jennings on youtube and Maynor in the tournament a couple times? Maynor is a senior and he&#8217;s still not considered a lottery prospect in a weak draft, so what do you expect from him in the NBA?  And Jennings barely made a blip in Europe and has an ego more outrageous than his flat top. You&#8217;re telling me you&#8217;ll take those two &#8220;any day&#8221; over a guy who started on the Spanish national team against USA and played well? Get out of here. And do you want to back up that &#8220;much higher percent of highly touted Euros never make it big in the NBA&#8221; statement with some actual facts? Let&#8217;s see, Sarunas, Tskitishvili, Darko, Radmanovic, Kristic, Nachbar, Welsch, Cabarkapa, Khryapa, Podkolzine, and Korolev can be labled as highly touted Euro busts. For everyone one of those, there&#8217;s like twice times as many in the Dirk, Petrovic, Schrempf, Sabonis, Parker, Diaw, Bargnani, Kukoc, Radja, Smits, Peja, Gasol, Divac, Ilgauskas, Turkoglu, Fernandez, Calderon, Bellinelli, Kirilenko, Biedrins, etc. category.  Do I even need to list the American busts?  There&#8217;s probably more American busts in the 2000 and 2001 drafts than the total number of Euro busts.  This is just typical xenophobic BS from Americans.  And by the way, that was just European players, not even the many great International players that have added diversity and culture to a diverse and beautiful worldly game.  If you don&#8217;t appreciate that and would rather stick to boring and false cliches like &#8220;they&#8217;re soft&#8221; or &#8220;they&#8217;re floppers&#8221;, you&#8217;re just not a true basketball fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Smith, Welcome to Trade Rumor-Ville &#124; The Basketball Nonsense</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/06/15/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/comment-page-4/#comment-15600</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Smith, Welcome to Trade Rumor-Ville &#124; The Basketball Nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rumor mill claims that the Hawks are thinking of moving their high-flying forward: “If you believe what you read, and I’ll warn you that you can’t always do that where NBA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Strickland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/06/15/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/comment-page-4/#comment-15597</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG RAY-can you explain how some of the same people that are complaining about JSmith&#039;s emotional side, and staunchly advocating he be traded, have actually supported the idea of us acquiring RWallace. Can you figure that one out? RWallace is overly emotional, lazy and underachieving. While there&#039;s no shortage of individuals claiming AHorford is a PF playing out of position, they seem to conveniently ignore the same is true about RWallace. In fact, the Pistons have done quite well over the yrs using PF&#039;s a C. 

I love JSmith&#039;s emotions and his willingness to challenge the HC when things aren&#039;t going well. Isn&#039;t it odd how some of those who criticize JSmith for being emotional also criticize JJohnson for not being more emotional. SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND SOMEONE TO BLAME, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF COMMON SENSE. I&#039;LL CONTINUE HOLDING THE SAASG AND HC MWOODSON RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT AILS THE HAWKS, NOT THE PLAYERS, INCLUDING MBIBBY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIG RAY-can you explain how some of the same people that are complaining about JSmith&#8217;s emotional side, and staunchly advocating he be traded, have actually supported the idea of us acquiring RWallace. Can you figure that one out? RWallace is overly emotional, lazy and underachieving. While there&#8217;s no shortage of individuals claiming AHorford is a PF playing out of position, they seem to conveniently ignore the same is true about RWallace. In fact, the Pistons have done quite well over the yrs using PF&#8217;s a C. </p>
<p>I love JSmith&#8217;s emotions and his willingness to challenge the HC when things aren&#8217;t going well. Isn&#8217;t it odd how some of those who criticize JSmith for being emotional also criticize JJohnson for not being more emotional. SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND SOMEONE TO BLAME, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF COMMON SENSE. I&#8217;LL CONTINUE HOLDING THE SAASG AND HC MWOODSON RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT AILS THE HAWKS, NOT THE PLAYERS, INCLUDING MBIBBY.</p>
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		<title>By: Sautee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sautee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big dave,

about this: &quot;however, i do look at Al and his skill relative to other bigs who were highly touted coming out of college; Emeka, Bogut, Lamarcus… all showed growth, progression, maturation in their game year to year (1st to 2nd even)… like i said, its as if his offensive game has regressed&quot;

OK, I&#039;ll give you Aldridge, but Okafor and Bogut? 

Okafor&#039;s scoring went DOWN in his second year, back up the next, and has gone DOWN since. And I&#039;d guess he&#039;s the third option on offense.

Bogut after 4 years is averaging 11.9 and 8.7 and he&#039;s either the second or third option on offense. (Second while Redd was hurt)  Horford&#039;s looking pretty comparable at 10.8 and 9.5

Al is at best the 5th option (and with the minutes Flip played, he&#039;s more like the 6th option) and yet in his second season he RAISED his scoring average with FEWER fga/gm than the year before. He also cut his turnovers and raised his assists, AND his FG %. That&#039;s offensive progression, even if we&#039;d all like more.

I was like you and expected a bigger bump from his offense. But you CANNOT deny that he had fewer chances with the ball than all of the players you compared him to.

Now, we can go round and round as to WHY he&#039;s the 5th or 6th option, but it&#039;s undeniable that he had fewer chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big dave,</p>
<p>about this: &#8220;however, i do look at Al and his skill relative to other bigs who were highly touted coming out of college; Emeka, Bogut, Lamarcus… all showed growth, progression, maturation in their game year to year (1st to 2nd even)… like i said, its as if his offensive game has regressed&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;ll give you Aldridge, but Okafor and Bogut? </p>
<p>Okafor&#8217;s scoring went DOWN in his second year, back up the next, and has gone DOWN since. And I&#8217;d guess he&#8217;s the third option on offense.</p>
<p>Bogut after 4 years is averaging 11.9 and 8.7 and he&#8217;s either the second or third option on offense. (Second while Redd was hurt)  Horford&#8217;s looking pretty comparable at 10.8 and 9.5</p>
<p>Al is at best the 5th option (and with the minutes Flip played, he&#8217;s more like the 6th option) and yet in his second season he RAISED his scoring average with FEWER fga/gm than the year before. He also cut his turnovers and raised his assists, AND his FG %. That&#8217;s offensive progression, even if we&#8217;d all like more.</p>
<p>I was like you and expected a bigger bump from his offense. But you CANNOT deny that he had fewer chances with the ball than all of the players you compared him to.</p>
<p>Now, we can go round and round as to WHY he&#8217;s the 5th or 6th option, but it&#8217;s undeniable that he had fewer chances.</p>
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		<title>By: Astro Joe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/06/15/be-careful-what-you-wish-for/comment-page-4/#comment-15573</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, your post last night almost suggested that Smith shouldn&#039;t be much more than a complementary piece on this team behind Joe &amp; Bibby (due to his inexperience).  Huh?  You repeatedly suggest that the vets need to shoulder this and shoulder that.  That&#039;s BS.  Smith received a 5 year $58M contract. In other words, he is a vet.  He wasn&#039;t penalized for his lack of college experience in his contract, no need to baby him now.  And please show me where I suggested that Smith should be playing 1 on 5 defense.  Of course everyone should be playing defense, to suggest that I don&#039;t recognize that is pretty insulting.  Each and every team has a defensive anchor.  Rather it is Dwight Howard, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin or KG, each and every team has a guy who leads that side of the court.  Your post last night made it sound like Smith shouldn&#039;t have to bear the burden of being this team&#039;s defensive anchor because of his youth.  I&#039;m guessing that 50% of his contract value is tied up in his ability to be the team&#039;s defensive anchor.  That skill is worth a bunch.  Anyone think Ben Wallace got $12M+/year for his offense?  Dampier makes around $12M for what?  Tayshaun&#039;s $10M is not because he is an offensive force.  Don&#039;t let Josh off the hook for being anything less than this team&#039;s defensive anchor each and every game.  No one pays $13M/year for 16 points and 7 boards.  But if that 16/7 comes with the ability to anchor a top 7 defense, well then, that is certainly fair value for a defensive force of nature.  

And please, don&#039;t suggest anymore that Mo and Flip should be doing anything for this team above Smith (Funny how a 23-yr old forward shall be set the task of leading his teammates on the defensive end when he has veterans in JJ, Bibby, Flip, and Mo).  Those guys are journeymen.  Again, when Smith accepted a $58M contract, the days of his draft slot or high school education went out the window.  

To mimic Ray&#039;s style... funny that Horford&#039;s age didn&#039;t interfere with him stepping up into a leadership position during the Celtics playoff series (and during his rookie season). Did the vets listen to him because of his draft slot? Doubtful. His salary? Certainly not. Because he had won titles in the amateur ranks? Maybe.  Or because of the way he handled his business during his first 80 games as a professional?  Yeah, I think it was mostly about that.  Age ain&#039;t nothing but a number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, your post last night almost suggested that Smith shouldn&#8217;t be much more than a complementary piece on this team behind Joe &amp; Bibby (due to his inexperience).  Huh?  You repeatedly suggest that the vets need to shoulder this and shoulder that.  That&#8217;s BS.  Smith received a 5 year $58M contract. In other words, he is a vet.  He wasn&#8217;t penalized for his lack of college experience in his contract, no need to baby him now.  And please show me where I suggested that Smith should be playing 1 on 5 defense.  Of course everyone should be playing defense, to suggest that I don&#8217;t recognize that is pretty insulting.  Each and every team has a defensive anchor.  Rather it is Dwight Howard, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin or KG, each and every team has a guy who leads that side of the court.  Your post last night made it sound like Smith shouldn&#8217;t have to bear the burden of being this team&#8217;s defensive anchor because of his youth.  I&#8217;m guessing that 50% of his contract value is tied up in his ability to be the team&#8217;s defensive anchor.  That skill is worth a bunch.  Anyone think Ben Wallace got $12M+/year for his offense?  Dampier makes around $12M for what?  Tayshaun&#8217;s $10M is not because he is an offensive force.  Don&#8217;t let Josh off the hook for being anything less than this team&#8217;s defensive anchor each and every game.  No one pays $13M/year for 16 points and 7 boards.  But if that 16/7 comes with the ability to anchor a top 7 defense, well then, that is certainly fair value for a defensive force of nature.  </p>
<p>And please, don&#8217;t suggest anymore that Mo and Flip should be doing anything for this team above Smith (Funny how a 23-yr old forward shall be set the task of leading his teammates on the defensive end when he has veterans in JJ, Bibby, Flip, and Mo).  Those guys are journeymen.  Again, when Smith accepted a $58M contract, the days of his draft slot or high school education went out the window.  </p>
<p>To mimic Ray&#8217;s style&#8230; funny that Horford&#8217;s age didn&#8217;t interfere with him stepping up into a leadership position during the Celtics playoff series (and during his rookie season). Did the vets listen to him because of his draft slot? Doubtful. His salary? Certainly not. Because he had won titles in the amateur ranks? Maybe.  Or because of the way he handled his business during his first 80 games as a professional?  Yeah, I think it was mostly about that.  Age ain&#8217;t nothing but a number.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY GUYS A NEW BLOG IS UP AND RUNNING.</description>
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		<title>By: Rufus1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufus1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazin

I am not saying Ariza is better than Josh...I am saying that these people have made serious improvements to there Game over the past 5 years. If ARIZA, Iguodala and Marvin can develop a jump shot, why not Josh.(Marvin is in the same system) These Players came to the league with the same issues

I know we have a BAD coach and a Bad system, But when will we say Josh  isn&#039;t developing his skills. If the most important thing he does is DUNK, that is not enough for me.

I WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!

PS..FIRE WOODY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazin</p>
<p>I am not saying Ariza is better than Josh&#8230;I am saying that these people have made serious improvements to there Game over the past 5 years. If ARIZA, Iguodala and Marvin can develop a jump shot, why not Josh.(Marvin is in the same system) These Players came to the league with the same issues</p>
<p>I know we have a BAD coach and a Bad system, But when will we say Josh  isn&#8217;t developing his skills. If the most important thing he does is DUNK, that is not enough for me.</p>
<p>I WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!</p>
<p>PS..FIRE WOODY</p>
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		<title>By: darrell starks</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrell starks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do we want tbone steak or pork chop a say tbone steak lets go get bosh and in 2010 let get leborn and turn the hawks into a dynasty LETS NOT FOR GET LEBRON LOVE THIS CITY.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do we want tbone steak or pork chop a say tbone steak lets go get bosh and in 2010 let get leborn and turn the hawks into a dynasty LETS NOT FOR GET LEBRON LOVE THIS CITY.<br />
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: darrell starks</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrell starks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need no more excuse from coach woody a say trade the pick.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!</description>
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GO HAWKS!!!!!!!</p>
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