Dollars and sense

Long faces might be the norm if the Hawks don't do the right things this summer.

Long faces might be the norm if the Hawks don't do the right things this summer.

HAWKSVILLE – We apologize in advance for interrupting your viewing of the NBA Finals with hypothetical questions about the Hawks, but admit it, you’ve seen enough of the Los Angeles Lakers and Orlando Magic to last all summer.

But what if Mike Bibby moves on?

And Zaza Pachulia, too?

What if Flip Murray finds a new home?

And Josh Childress stays in Greece?

What if all these hypothetical scenarios we’ve been speaking of recently go up in smoke between the draft and training camp?

What if the Hawks can’t keep their team together because of finances, dumb luck and the aggressive pursuit of their free agents by other teams?

Like most of you, I’ve (foolishly) been operating under several assumptions the past few weeks. But after speaking with several NBA players, coaches and other sources around the league over the last week, it seems we’ve all been a bit too optimistic about the chances of all these guys reuniting next season.

“Unless I’m mistaken, getting all these guys in uniform for next season will cost a whole lot more than the Hawks are used to spending,” one Eastern Conference front office man told me Monday afternoon. “Check their roster and see how many guys they spent serious money on. It’s a short list. They inherited Bibby’s big deal and now that’s gone. They signed Joe [Johnson] and Josh [Smith] to their deals. Beyond that, there wasn’t a single guy on their roster they spent mid-level money on, not one, and that says something.”

When I asked him to elaborate, he had an interesting take what we’ve watched the past few years, the last two in particular.

“They got more out of their money than a lot of other teams these last two seasons,” he said. “That’s good while it lasts. It just doesn’t last forever. Sooner or later you have to pay to win in this league. The Hawks have gotten away without paying that price the past two years. They’ve done some things that their payroll suggests they shouldn’t have. But those days are probably over, because the teams they leapfrogged in the standings the past two years are not going to stay down forever.”

There's a good chance Mike Bibby and Josh Childress might never wear Hawks jerseys again.

There's a possibility Mike Bibby and Josh Childress have worn Hawks jerseys for the last time in their NBA careers.

That’s probably true. But maybe they just made wise decisions about how to spend. They didn’t spend the kind of money championship teams do, but you have to crawl before you walk. And the Hawks crawled for years.

One player pointed to last summer’s free agent season as proof that the Hawks didn’t exactly swing for the fences and insisted that their frugal ways will come back to haunt them eventually, perhaps as soon as this summer.

“They waited until the last minute on [Smith] and had to wait for Memphis to put something on the table to get a deal done,” he said. “They lost the other Josh to Greece and then filled the holes with role players. Let’s be real man, and I’m not disrespecting anybody but signing Randolph Morris, Othello Hunter and Thomas Gardner doesn’t translate into championship moves. That sounds more like a team worried about spending some real money. And to players, that’s the kind of franchise you don’t want to deal with when you’re a free agent.”

That’s the real question for the Hawks this summer. Are they going to spend the money required to compete at the level they’ve become accustomed to the past two years?

This summer is about dollars and sense. The Hawks have to spend their cash wisely or all the work they’ve done the past few years could disappear by Labor Day.

Keeping Bibby, if that’s what the Hawks intend to do, won’t be easy. Anyone expecting Bibby to work for anything less than the mid-level is dreaming. In a league where starting point guards are at a premium (and starters that shoot as well as Bibby command even more attention), the price usually starts at the mid-level and rises. The key in the Bibby situation will be the length of the contract. If three years works for both sides (and I can’t see why it would not), then I can see the negotiations having some legs. If not, get ready for a divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable (financial) differences.

Pachulia clearly wants to come back here. He said as much during our conversation last week. But he’s been here before, in free agent land, so he knows what a player wants doesn’t always jive with the reality of his situation. Unlike when the Hawks nabbed him from Milwaukee four years ago, teams aren’t spending as freely as they were then. Still, Pachulia was a bargain four years ago at $4 million per season. He’s a bargain at that price now if the Hawks can swing it. But with the lack of quality bigs running around the league these days, that $4 million price tag might not be enough to retain Pachulia’s services.

Murray’s destined for a substantial raise from the $1.5 million the Hawks paid him last season. You don’t put together the type of season he did without seeing a surge in interest for your services. The Hawks have the benefit of being the one team in the league willing to take a chance on him last year. But sentiment crashes into reality and loses all the time in the NBA, particularly during free agency. If the Hawks want to keep Murray, a serious raise is in order.

Childress added to a bench that includes Pachulia, Murray, Mo Evans and whatever player the Hawks could take with the 19th pick in the June draft would be a massive upgrade over what they used during a 47-win season. But three different sources I’ve spoken to in recent days insist that they don’t expect Childress to return to the NBA this summer (he has until July 15 to opt out of his Greek contract or remain there for another season). The dynamics of his situation in the NBA haven’t changed from last summer. He’s still a restricted free agent and would be subject to dealing with a Hawks organization that couldn’t get a deal done with him last summer. So it was a serious miscalculation of mine to blindly assume he’d bolt Europe for the comfort of the states.

“I don’t know why he would come back,” a Western Conference scout told me. “There’s so much uncertainty in the league this summer. Teams are holding back because of the economy and plotting for the summer of 2010. Plus, he’s still bound by restricted free agency, which means he can’t really come back and shop around for the best situation. If the Hawks didn’t get a deal done with him last summer I don’t see any way they get one done now. No way.”

Two years into his NBA career no one is sure if Acie Law IV is the answer at point guard for the Hawks.

Two years into his NBA career no one is sure if Acie Law IV is the answer at point guard for the Hawks.

With Childress subtracted from the potential mix, that leaves the Hawks with gaping holes on the roster heading into the draft and free agency. And from all the conversations I’ve had, the Hawks are torn between using the 19th pick and Speedy Claxton’s contract (along with other potential considerations) to grab an established point guard or gambling that the player they deem worthy will still be available at 19.

Another split, from what I’ve gathered, is that there remains some debate as to whether any of the point guards available in this draft are better prospects at the position than Acie Law IV, who despite having spent two years on the roster still has to answer major questions about his readiness to not only be a potential starter but a solid rotation player.

The Hawks’ previous front office regime was notoriously unimpressed by point guards in past drafts. Chris Paul was “too small,” Deron Williams worried them because his “body looked too soft” and Rajon Rondo was a “reach” with the fifth pick, just to highlight a few of the explanations given for passing on three big time NBA starters at the position. That sort of faulty logic led the Hawks to draft picks like Shelden Williams (a reach if ever there was one) and botched free agent signings like Claxton (who was Paul’s backup when the Hawks whisked him away from the Hornets for a cool $25 million).

I won’t pretend to speak for Hawks GM Rick Sund, who has not indicated that he has any sort of prejudice against rookie point guards. But I also won’t assume that he’ll address the Hawks’ point guard situation in the draft.

There’s just so much work to be done in such a short period of time. For once, I can honestly say I wouldn’t want to be the Hawks’ general manager right now.

MY SPLIT SCREEN IS WORKING THESE DAYS. I’M WATCHING THE FINALS, TOO. I’m watching Orlando suffer through the same things the Hawks did when they faced Cleveland in the Eastern Conference semifinals and the same thing the Cavaliers did when they fell to the Magic in Eastern Conference finals.

Some teams just present matchup nightmares for other teams. The Magic and Lakers are about as evenly matched as two teams could be in the Finals. Spot for spot up and down the rotation there are compelling matchups (my man Mickael Pietrus did his thing again, pushing Kobe Bryant late, sinking two free throws in the final 30 seconds to help seal his team’s Game 3 win). You can’t ask for much more than that at this stage of the season, save for the somewhat tiresome Van Gundy family reunion going on every game night (Stan’s a riot from the national anthem to the post game presser but I’ve listened to just about all I can take from Jeff on the broadcast).

One thing I noticed that’s been bothersome I have to ask you to weigh in on. Is there a more disappointing player in all of these playoffs than Andrew Bynum? I know the Lakers’ big man has already had to battle back from two serious knee injuries in his young career, but he doesn’t have any bounce at all.

He’s a shell of the dude the Lakers refused to give up in any deal a couple years back and for the life of me, I don’t see why. I don’t see anything in Bynum that would make him untouchable other than he’s a legitimate 7-footer. And these days, that’s just not enough.

Shooters like Ellington could find themselves in demand on draft night.

Shooters like Ellington could find themselves in demand on draft night.

Like most people whose team of interest is already do for the season, my attention has shifted dramatically in the direction of the NBA draft.

I know it’s fool’s gold, thinking teams are going to find answers to all their problems in a shallow draft. But what else can we bank on?

Combining my two pet topics of the month, I came up with another theory that requires your input.

After watching the Magic shoot a blistering (and Finals record ) 62.5 percent from the floor to win Game 3, I wonder if some teams will have the guts to rethink their draft strategy and identify the best shooters available?

For a team like the Hawks that would mean giving serious consideration to a player like North Carolina’s Wayne Ellington with that 19th pick. If Ellington’s still on the board, chances are there won’t be a better shooter or offensive player the Hawks could take in that range. I know he doesn’t address a particular position need for the Hawks (point guard or center) but he does address a skill need (the Hawks are in desperate need of more quality shooters).

Some teams aren’t going to wait until the draft to start adding shooters. Philadelphia pulled off a trade Tuesday for one of the league’s best shooters, stealing Jason Kapono from the Raptors for Reggie Evans

Kapono, even in limited minutes, can change the game for the 76ers just by parking on the perimeter and posing as a deep threat. That’s a weapon teams will need, especially in the improving Eastern Conference. I suspect this won’t be the last trade of this kind we’ll see between now and draft night. Teams are going to be forced to explore every option they can to improve without adding salary.

Finally, and before I forget, the best NBA news of the week comes not from the Finals or the draft but from the real plague of the league – brutal officiating. We’ll have three fewer relics to pick on next year if this report in the Boston Globe is true.

Reportedly Jimmy Clark, Luis Grillo and Jack Nies are taking their combined 73 years of experience/service to the retirement village with them. Adios fellas, the hecklers will miss you.

514 comments Add your comment

Ariose

June 11th, 2009
4:37 pm

People thought Artest would be a cancer for the Rockets but it turned out just fine. You won’t know until you try. Smoove only had 3 thechs on the year….that’s hardly a complainer. I think he knows when enough is enough….unlike sheed maybe. But I will say hat Sheed is USUALLY right when he whines enough to warrant a tech…..

Ken Strickland

June 11th, 2009
4:39 pm

TERRELL BARRON-that’s a good question. However, I don’t think Sund would have taken the job if he hadn’t been assured that their treatment of former GM BKnight was a one time thing. I find it hard to believe Sund was so desperate for a GM job that he would have accepted the SAASG’s job offer if he thought they would treat him the way former GM was mistreated.

LouHudson

June 11th, 2009
4:50 pm

Chris and Terrel, you both some nice ideas, but Greg Olden has not shown anything yet and is injury prone. IE – Sam Bowie and he is no where near the player Bowie was when healthy. Bowie was a 20/10 player before he broke bones in his leg. Again Kaman or Pryzbilla offer most realistic options for the 5 spot. No one is going to trade the # 2 pick for what the Hawks would offer.
A decision is going have to be made concerning Josh S. , Marvin, and Horford. Who’s the 4 and 3 and then move the odd man. Don’t resign Bibby and package Speedy(contract) and 19th for someting! With say Marvin’s sign and trade and Bibby’ money sign your top FAs. Period.

chris

June 11th, 2009
5:00 pm

Trade AC Law to the Detroit for there 2 round pick the 33 pick in the draft and tack Jonas Jerebko

jhan

June 11th, 2009
5:03 pm

If we sign a starting center then:

1 – Marvin or Josh must be moved
2 – Al goes to the bench

I like Astro’s idea of signing a big man to come off the bench. He can rotate with ZaZa to relieve Josh & Al.

Astro – you wrote on a previous blog that Woody would be criticized for playing people 38+ minutes in an overtime game. JJ would feel like he was rooming with Acie in the doghouse if he only played 38 minutes in a game – let alone an overtime game! LOL

chris

June 11th, 2009
5:06 pm

We need a Center people not a PG Bibby will be back look Greg Oden is going to be one of the best player in 2010

chris

June 11th, 2009
5:13 pm

Trade AC Law, David Andersen, Speedy, Marvin to the Sun for AS

glw

June 11th, 2009
5:20 pm

Chris,

you should give it up, Portland is not trading Oden. I think you are right about Oden, he is going to be a beast by 2010, and that is precisely why Portland would never trade him. And Phoenix isnt giving you Amare without either Josh or Horford being in that deal.

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
5:46 pm

Now this is what im talking about the cavs, management are thinking about letting mike brown go the coach of the year, the coach who took them to eastern conf. finals and they still talking about firing him now us ASG is hoping that mike woodson succed a coach who have no offense philosophy a coach who cant win on the road a coach who have never devolop his bench and the list goes on i want avery johnson to be our coach but ASG will always try to be cheap.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
5:47 pm

Lou Hudson, Oden? I never mentioned Oden Thats ludicrous. Portland has one of the best GM’s in the league. Why in the world would he get rid of a franchise center? I say we go after Priz.

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
5:50 pm

Starks, that’s because Cleveland is trying to win a Championship, and not to mention, they’ll do anything possible to keep LJ. We’re just happy to make the Playoffs.

Ariose

June 11th, 2009
5:50 pm

Jhan, it’s easy, Al goes to the bench. Whats the problem? He’s STILL going to gt 28+ minutes a game, and hus post moves are still very mechanical….

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
5:55 pm

What are we going to do this season only time will tell.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
5:57 pm

T.B i agree with you 100percent.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

chris

June 11th, 2009
6:00 pm

Then go get Roy Hibbert if you can’t not get Greg Oden

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
6:03 pm

T.B i go to just about all the games and sometime i shake my head and say what in the H is woody doing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
6:08 pm

AROISE every body love al i do to but this off season he better get his a$$ on the blocks and learn some post move just like you say he is to mechanical i want to see some improvement from him this year.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

cp

June 11th, 2009
6:11 pm

Roy Hibbert? Hell you might as well keep Horford as the starting center over Hibbert. Hibbert is a big body and that’s about it. He does not rebound well nor does he block shots well and he is very slow. The Blazers will not trade Priz because Oden is injury prone and he is the primary backup for Oden. Frye is available. He can shoot so he would be able to spread the floor.

Ariose trust me I feel you. I was just going by that report I read. They said it was guards who were blocking Mills that’s why they have a concern for his height. I have not seen a lot of the kid only videos and looked at scouting reports. The guard in the draft that is the type of pg Woodson love is Curry. He can shoot and since Joe is the primary ball handler he can just sit around and shoot jumpers all day. The problem is he will be gone early in the draft. But he seems to be the type of pg that Woodson loves.

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
6:29 pm

I still say trade marvin big al and the 19pick for bosh only if chill come back so he can started at the 3position i like chill better than marvin at the 3.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Hoops

June 11th, 2009
6:34 pm

Here’s my Hawks Off Season Plan:
1. Improve draft position by offering Acie and #19 pick. Add Evans to that offer if needed to be able to get Curry. He will be the superstar out of this draft! This costs us no additional money. If we loose JJ next summer, Curry will be ready to step in @ the 2 position and score.

2. Sign Sessions. I think you can get him for 5M. Let Bibby walk.

3. Here’s the big deal-offer Josh S. and Speedy for Bosh. I think Toronto will go for this deal because they know they will loose Bosh next summer anyway. Why not get Josh and Speedy’s expiring contract? It’s good for the Hawks because Bosh has an expiring contract next summer as does JJ. That’s over 30M available to use to resign them or other FA’s next summer. If the Hawks make a championship run in “09-’10 with Bosh, he and JJ will be very interested in staying with the Hawks!

4. Sign Charlie V.

5. Resign Marvin, Flip and Zaza.

This is your line up for the same money that you are spending now:

PG-Sessions, Flip
SG-JJ, Curry
SF-Marvin, Evans(if not traded)
PF-Horford, Charlie V.
C-Bosh, Zaza, Morris

That team my friends, can compete for the Championship!

A Tribe Called Quest

June 11th, 2009
6:38 pm

I wonder when Joe’s gonna step up and decide to actually be a leader for once. WIll anyone decide to be the leader of this team?

If anyone saw Kobe: Doin’ Work, regardless of how much you like or dislike him, you saw him leading his team in the huddle. Why is Joe so “laid-back” that he can’t freaking help guys out?

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
6:49 pm

My 1st team for the hawks.
STARTERS ACIE, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD,
BENCH FLIP, MOE, CHILL, CHARLIE V, ZAZA
RESERVE 19PICK TY LAW, SOLO.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
6:52 pm

My 2nd team for the hawks.
STARTERS ACIE, JOE, CHILL, JOSH, BOSH,
BENCH FLIP, MOE, HAKIM WARRICK, CHARLIE V, ZAZA
RESERVE WEST, SOLO.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

Seattle

June 11th, 2009
7:03 pm

What could we package with Marvin and the 19th pick to land Amare from the Suns?

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2009
7:21 pm

jhan, true.

No thanks on Patty Mills. Some of you all may not have noticed but this team really isn’t built for speed. We don’t rebound the ball well enough to play at the pace where Mills would be most effective. If Sund drafts Mills, then he better address our rebounding situation. Running fast breaks is less about the speed of players sprinting up the floor and more about defensive field-goal percentage and defensive rebounding.

Oh and don’t be surprised when Robert Swift is one of the first free agents signed by Sund.

glw

June 11th, 2009
7:24 pm

Hoops,

I like your proposed team and wish it could come to past, but Curry is a Top 5 Pick and no team is going to trade down for Acie Law and the 19th pick and even if u threw in Mo Evans still wouldnt be enough. And your No.2 conflicts wtih your No. 4, I dont think we have cap space to sign both Sessions and Villanueva, and even if we did, both are restricted and Milwaukee isnt going to let both of them walk.

darrel starks,

you got a pretty good squad too there, but you know woody would #@$@ bricks before he started Acie. But I do think Acie deserves a shot.

UGABAN1111

June 11th, 2009
7:48 pm

Y DOES EVERYBODY THINK BOSH IS A CENTER, HE IS NOT A CENTER!! A Y DOES EVERYBODY KEEP SAYING WE NEED A PG OF THE FUTURE. UM IF IM RITE THE LAKERS ARE IN THE FINALS WITH ONE OF THE OLDEST PG’S IN THE NBA.

1. We NEED TO TRADE FOR A STARTING CENTER. Przy or Caman or Thabeet somehow.
2. Keep Bibby, Marvin, We dnt need chills we need to include him in a trade. keep zaza but dont play him that many minutes because he has no offense but great in rebounding.
3. We need another superstar!! Nobody has won a champioinship with one superstar!!
Heat – wade, shaq
Spurs – duncan, parker, ginobli
Celtics – big 3
Pistons – Sheed (he was a superstar back then to me), billups

O'brien

June 11th, 2009
8:38 pm

My offseason plan for the Hawks. Sign Jarrett Jack to be our starting PG. Then sign Villanueva to be our backup PF, and resign Chills. If Chills stays in Greece, Villanueva can play some backup minutes at SF too, and resign Flip and Zaza. (Chills might not come back, but Villanueva can play some backup minutes at SF, plus if we keep Acie we can use the 19th pick for a wing).

PG – Jack / Flip / Acie
SG – JJ / Mo Evans
SF – Marvin / Chills / 19th pick
PF – Josh / Villanueva
C – Horford / Zaza

I havent dont the numbers yet, so maybe Manny or nire might know off the top if the numbers could work.

Fantasy League

June 11th, 2009
8:54 pm

Glad y’all like playing my draft. Keep it up!

Halsey

June 11th, 2009
8:57 pm

I don’t get why people think losing Marvin would be a big deal. I’d like to see the Hawks trade him for a Draft pick. The Hawks didn’t really seem to miss him much when he was gone. He is not a difference maker. Most of the time he just looks like a guy taking up space on the floor to me.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2009
9:01 pm

I just checked our stats from last season. We were the 10th in Offensive Rating, which measures points per 100 possessions. But we also were outrebounded on both the defensive and offensive boards. Our offensive success was due to making more free throw attempts, making more 3s and being very good in the TO category (we protected the ball). But again, we were not built to run just based on our inability to effectively rebound the ball. So if Sund wants a lightening quick PG, then he better get someone to clean the glass. And while I would welcome Villanueva to the team, I don’t see him filling that need.

Silvio Manuel

June 11th, 2009
9:03 pm

No Bibby, No Zaza, No Flip, maybe No Marvin.

We are in deep darkness, where I love it.

Sautee

June 11th, 2009
9:37 pm

Astro Joe,

Careful using stats to bolster your argument.

No TELLING what niremetal will think! ;-)

I’m not sure that we couldn’t run a LOT more even with a rebounding minus. A lot of it is just PUSHING. Woody has these guys holding the reins in a strangle hold.

We also create turnovers with our D, giving chances to run. And even if we DO get out rebounded, IF we run and push tempo, we dictate to the other team and tire them out. It’s not like we get out rebounded 35-0.

One advantage our “smaller” bigs have is their mobility. If we pushed the ball and got Al and Josh 5 easy attempts each per game, we wouldn’t struggle to score so much overall. Of course JJ would have to be involved, so I’m not sure that will happen.

O'brien

June 11th, 2009
9:48 pm

Astro Joe, Zaza is good offensive rebounder, and Villanueva averages 6.3 rebounds in 26.5 minutes. In my opinion, our lack of rebounding is due mostly to 2 reasons:
1) lack of effort (how many games did Josh go with few rebounds)
2) Woody’s defensive scheme of switching everything. As a result, our bigs end up out of (rebounding) position.

Newbie Blogger

June 11th, 2009
10:02 pm

Hey everyone. So I’m new around here, but I’ve noticed that a lot of other new posters have popped in and made some suggestions. I like their suggestions for improving the team, and they got me really excited. Now I actually realize that they didn’t go far enough – I just don’t think they realize how much teams will want our players! And the draft is soooooooooooooo loaded with guys who’ll be stars! Let’s get as many of them as we can!

SO HERE’S MY PLAN FOR THE OFFSEASON:
1) Let Bibby and Zaza walk, but keep Marvin and Flip. Marvin will be willing to re-sign for less than we think. After all, his stats have stayed the same year after year, so clearly he hasn’t gotten any better. Why should he expect a raise?
2) Use our mid-level exception to sign Kobe. He’ll opt out of his contract to come here for $5 mil – I know it!
3) Trade JJ for the #2 pick and take Thabeet. JJ isn’t a star, so we might as well trade him for a tall guy with no heart and no offensive game. Besides, we won’t need JJ once we have Kobe.
4) Trade Speedy and Acie Law for Chris Paul. The Hornets are looking to save money, so they’ll jump at the chance to take Speedy back and get a successor for CP3.
5) Trade #19 pick and Mo for LeBron James and the Cavs 1st rounder (#30). The Cavs know that they’ll lose LeBron next summer anyway, so at least this way they’ll get something out of it.
6) Pick Ricky Rubio at #30. He’ll fall to us there, trust me.
7) Sign-and-trade Chills and Randolph Morris to Orlando for Dwight Howard. They have Gortat, so why would they need Howard too?

PG: Chris Paul/Ricky Rubio
SG: Kobe Bryant/Who cares?
SF: LeBron James/Marvin Williams
PF: Josh Smith/Al Horford
C: Dwight Howard/Thabeet

I know that leaves us a little weak at power forward and Kobe’s getting a bit old, but I think that should be good for at least a few more wins. It’s totally doable! Go do it, Sund!

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
10:06 pm

WHATS SEKOU MY COMMENT DONT POST NO MORE WHATS UP WITH THAT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

Newbie Blogger

June 11th, 2009
10:07 pm

Dang it, I just realized that a couple of my trades might be just a bit outside the salary cap rules. Doggone it! Those are so annoying. Because otherwise, my plan would be SO doable!

Melvin

June 11th, 2009
10:08 pm

Is this guy saying that Oden refuse the chance for Hakeem help. And some question Josh work ethic…

“Jason Fleming:
To me, it’s not really up to Oden. If the team wants him to get quicker, he should work on getting quicker. I think they like where he is at now, and the quickness will come in offseason training. Hopefully that, along with a year of experience, will help him avoid those whistles. ANY big man who would not be willing to go to Hakeem’s camp should be immediately waived, I don’t care who it is.”

Hoops

June 11th, 2009
10:11 pm

O’brien & glw,

O’brien your plan may be more realistic than mine. However, I do like mine better. Chills will not come back from Greece this coming season. Why should he? He makes too much money over there and he can come back next summer as a FA. Another thought-Woody will not play Acie. So, trade him and get someone that he will play. If we cannot trade up for Curry, then trade up and get Jordan Hill to back up Bosh @ PF and don’t sign Charlie V. I still don’t think Curry will be chosen before the 8th pick.
As far as rebounding goes, you are right we must have better rebounding to be able to run. I think getting Bosh for Josh & Speedy gives us better size and rebounding. Play Bosh @ PF and use Horford and Zaza in the post. I probably cannot get Charlie V. with my plan because of the cap.
I like Sessions because he will push the break. We need more easy baskets! Get Bosh and Sessions and we will improve both our rebounding and our uptempo!

Hoops

June 11th, 2009
10:16 pm

Newbie Blogger,

You don’t have enough basketballs for that team, little alone money!

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2009
10:19 pm

Sautee, sure, but I just don’t see a Patty Mills being optimized if we simply quicken the pace. My vote is for a “half-court” PG, especially since that is what is played mostly in playoff games.

O’brien, I’m not smart enough to know which is the best way to defend the pick and roll. But I agree that some of the problem is related to effort. I just think we need to get better at cleaning the glass before we spend a 1st round pick on someone who may struggle with a poor rebounding team.

O'brien

June 11th, 2009
10:25 pm

Hoops, I like the trade for Bosh too. And I am okay with trading Acie for a higher draft pick to get the PG we want. I also like Sessions, but if we get Sessions, we wont be able to get Villanueva, so I chose Jack and Charlie V instead.

From what I’ve heard, Chills will still be an restricted FA next year. Like I’ve said though, if Chills doesnt come back to the Hawks, we still have Villanueva to play some backup SF and backup PF.

darrell starks

June 11th, 2009
10:26 pm

Who said bosh isnt a center he plays both powerford and center and to me he is better at the center because he is quicker than most center and he goes right around them or post up at the top of the key and hit that shot every time go get bosh sund he will be the best player on the team plus he will be that leader that we desperately need.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

Reggie

June 11th, 2009
10:28 pm

Newbie Blogger: I think those moves might work.
Man I’m glad to be blogging basketball again. I can’t handle the Braves anymore. haha. So who is everyone wanting to pick in the first round right now. Lakers 37 first half points? My goodness.

niremetal

June 11th, 2009
10:30 pm

Melvin,

By pretty much universal agreement, Oden has a incredibly strong work ethic. He’s probably skipping Hakeem’s big man camp because he has other training activities planned that he and the Blazers feel would be better.

I might add that Hakeem – great a player as he was – does NOT have a great record as far as developing big men at his “camp.” His best work has been the one-on-sessions he did with Yao Ming and Josh Smith. The free “camp” that he runs is more often attended by the Diops and Diogus of the world, not the top prospects.

Melvin

June 11th, 2009
11:17 pm

Nire,

I guess you and Jason Fleming has different opinions of Hakeem teaching skills.

Melvin

June 11th, 2009
11:19 pm

Why is SVG forcing that midget back into the playing rotation…

niremetal

June 11th, 2009
11:22 pm

Jason Fleming and I have different opinions on lots of things. Starting with whether Jason Fleming ever actually watches NBA games.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2009
11:24 pm

Alston leads the team to a game seven victory on the road against the champs. Follows that up by defeating the team with the league’s best regular season record, MVP and COY. So what does his coach do? Steals his confidence by going to Jameer in The Finals.

Like I have said numerous times, everyone has warts.

Melvin

June 11th, 2009
11:32 pm

Astro,

Agreed….