Dollars and sense

Long faces might be the norm if the Hawks don't do the right things this summer.

Long faces might be the norm if the Hawks don't do the right things this summer.

HAWKSVILLE – We apologize in advance for interrupting your viewing of the NBA Finals with hypothetical questions about the Hawks, but admit it, you’ve seen enough of the Los Angeles Lakers and Orlando Magic to last all summer.

But what if Mike Bibby moves on?

And Zaza Pachulia, too?

What if Flip Murray finds a new home?

And Josh Childress stays in Greece?

What if all these hypothetical scenarios we’ve been speaking of recently go up in smoke between the draft and training camp?

What if the Hawks can’t keep their team together because of finances, dumb luck and the aggressive pursuit of their free agents by other teams?

Like most of you, I’ve (foolishly) been operating under several assumptions the past few weeks. But after speaking with several NBA players, coaches and other sources around the league over the last week, it seems we’ve all been a bit too optimistic about the chances of all these guys reuniting next season.

“Unless I’m mistaken, getting all these guys in uniform for next season will cost a whole lot more than the Hawks are used to spending,” one Eastern Conference front office man told me Monday afternoon. “Check their roster and see how many guys they spent serious money on. It’s a short list. They inherited Bibby’s big deal and now that’s gone. They signed Joe [Johnson] and Josh [Smith] to their deals. Beyond that, there wasn’t a single guy on their roster they spent mid-level money on, not one, and that says something.”

When I asked him to elaborate, he had an interesting take what we’ve watched the past few years, the last two in particular.

“They got more out of their money than a lot of other teams these last two seasons,” he said. “That’s good while it lasts. It just doesn’t last forever. Sooner or later you have to pay to win in this league. The Hawks have gotten away without paying that price the past two years. They’ve done some things that their payroll suggests they shouldn’t have. But those days are probably over, because the teams they leapfrogged in the standings the past two years are not going to stay down forever.”

There's a good chance Mike Bibby and Josh Childress might never wear Hawks jerseys again.

There's a possibility Mike Bibby and Josh Childress have worn Hawks jerseys for the last time in their NBA careers.

That’s probably true. But maybe they just made wise decisions about how to spend. They didn’t spend the kind of money championship teams do, but you have to crawl before you walk. And the Hawks crawled for years.

One player pointed to last summer’s free agent season as proof that the Hawks didn’t exactly swing for the fences and insisted that their frugal ways will come back to haunt them eventually, perhaps as soon as this summer.

“They waited until the last minute on [Smith] and had to wait for Memphis to put something on the table to get a deal done,” he said. “They lost the other Josh to Greece and then filled the holes with role players. Let’s be real man, and I’m not disrespecting anybody but signing Randolph Morris, Othello Hunter and Thomas Gardner doesn’t translate into championship moves. That sounds more like a team worried about spending some real money. And to players, that’s the kind of franchise you don’t want to deal with when you’re a free agent.”

That’s the real question for the Hawks this summer. Are they going to spend the money required to compete at the level they’ve become accustomed to the past two years?

This summer is about dollars and sense. The Hawks have to spend their cash wisely or all the work they’ve done the past few years could disappear by Labor Day.

Keeping Bibby, if that’s what the Hawks intend to do, won’t be easy. Anyone expecting Bibby to work for anything less than the mid-level is dreaming. In a league where starting point guards are at a premium (and starters that shoot as well as Bibby command even more attention), the price usually starts at the mid-level and rises. The key in the Bibby situation will be the length of the contract. If three years works for both sides (and I can’t see why it would not), then I can see the negotiations having some legs. If not, get ready for a divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable (financial) differences.

Pachulia clearly wants to come back here. He said as much during our conversation last week. But he’s been here before, in free agent land, so he knows what a player wants doesn’t always jive with the reality of his situation. Unlike when the Hawks nabbed him from Milwaukee four years ago, teams aren’t spending as freely as they were then. Still, Pachulia was a bargain four years ago at $4 million per season. He’s a bargain at that price now if the Hawks can swing it. But with the lack of quality bigs running around the league these days, that $4 million price tag might not be enough to retain Pachulia’s services.

Murray’s destined for a substantial raise from the $1.5 million the Hawks paid him last season. You don’t put together the type of season he did without seeing a surge in interest for your services. The Hawks have the benefit of being the one team in the league willing to take a chance on him last year. But sentiment crashes into reality and loses all the time in the NBA, particularly during free agency. If the Hawks want to keep Murray, a serious raise is in order.

Childress added to a bench that includes Pachulia, Murray, Mo Evans and whatever player the Hawks could take with the 19th pick in the June draft would be a massive upgrade over what they used during a 47-win season. But three different sources I’ve spoken to in recent days insist that they don’t expect Childress to return to the NBA this summer (he has until July 15 to opt out of his Greek contract or remain there for another season). The dynamics of his situation in the NBA haven’t changed from last summer. He’s still a restricted free agent and would be subject to dealing with a Hawks organization that couldn’t get a deal done with him last summer. So it was a serious miscalculation of mine to blindly assume he’d bolt Europe for the comfort of the states.

“I don’t know why he would come back,” a Western Conference scout told me. “There’s so much uncertainty in the league this summer. Teams are holding back because of the economy and plotting for the summer of 2010. Plus, he’s still bound by restricted free agency, which means he can’t really come back and shop around for the best situation. If the Hawks didn’t get a deal done with him last summer I don’t see any way they get one done now. No way.”

Two years into his NBA career no one is sure if Acie Law IV is the answer at point guard for the Hawks.

Two years into his NBA career no one is sure if Acie Law IV is the answer at point guard for the Hawks.

With Childress subtracted from the potential mix, that leaves the Hawks with gaping holes on the roster heading into the draft and free agency. And from all the conversations I’ve had, the Hawks are torn between using the 19th pick and Speedy Claxton’s contract (along with other potential considerations) to grab an established point guard or gambling that the player they deem worthy will still be available at 19.

Another split, from what I’ve gathered, is that there remains some debate as to whether any of the point guards available in this draft are better prospects at the position than Acie Law IV, who despite having spent two years on the roster still has to answer major questions about his readiness to not only be a potential starter but a solid rotation player.

The Hawks’ previous front office regime was notoriously unimpressed by point guards in past drafts. Chris Paul was “too small,” Deron Williams worried them because his “body looked too soft” and Rajon Rondo was a “reach” with the fifth pick, just to highlight a few of the explanations given for passing on three big time NBA starters at the position. That sort of faulty logic led the Hawks to draft picks like Shelden Williams (a reach if ever there was one) and botched free agent signings like Claxton (who was Paul’s backup when the Hawks whisked him away from the Hornets for a cool $25 million).

I won’t pretend to speak for Hawks GM Rick Sund, who has not indicated that he has any sort of prejudice against rookie point guards. But I also won’t assume that he’ll address the Hawks’ point guard situation in the draft.

There’s just so much work to be done in such a short period of time. For once, I can honestly say I wouldn’t want to be the Hawks’ general manager right now.

MY SPLIT SCREEN IS WORKING THESE DAYS. I’M WATCHING THE FINALS, TOO. I’m watching Orlando suffer through the same things the Hawks did when they faced Cleveland in the Eastern Conference semifinals and the same thing the Cavaliers did when they fell to the Magic in Eastern Conference finals.

Some teams just present matchup nightmares for other teams. The Magic and Lakers are about as evenly matched as two teams could be in the Finals. Spot for spot up and down the rotation there are compelling matchups (my man Mickael Pietrus did his thing again, pushing Kobe Bryant late, sinking two free throws in the final 30 seconds to help seal his team’s Game 3 win). You can’t ask for much more than that at this stage of the season, save for the somewhat tiresome Van Gundy family reunion going on every game night (Stan’s a riot from the national anthem to the post game presser but I’ve listened to just about all I can take from Jeff on the broadcast).

One thing I noticed that’s been bothersome I have to ask you to weigh in on. Is there a more disappointing player in all of these playoffs than Andrew Bynum? I know the Lakers’ big man has already had to battle back from two serious knee injuries in his young career, but he doesn’t have any bounce at all.

He’s a shell of the dude the Lakers refused to give up in any deal a couple years back and for the life of me, I don’t see why. I don’t see anything in Bynum that would make him untouchable other than he’s a legitimate 7-footer. And these days, that’s just not enough.

Shooters like Ellington could find themselves in demand on draft night.

Shooters like Ellington could find themselves in demand on draft night.

Like most people whose team of interest is already do for the season, my attention has shifted dramatically in the direction of the NBA draft.

I know it’s fool’s gold, thinking teams are going to find answers to all their problems in a shallow draft. But what else can we bank on?

Combining my two pet topics of the month, I came up with another theory that requires your input.

After watching the Magic shoot a blistering (and Finals record ) 62.5 percent from the floor to win Game 3, I wonder if some teams will have the guts to rethink their draft strategy and identify the best shooters available?

For a team like the Hawks that would mean giving serious consideration to a player like North Carolina’s Wayne Ellington with that 19th pick. If Ellington’s still on the board, chances are there won’t be a better shooter or offensive player the Hawks could take in that range. I know he doesn’t address a particular position need for the Hawks (point guard or center) but he does address a skill need (the Hawks are in desperate need of more quality shooters).

Some teams aren’t going to wait until the draft to start adding shooters. Philadelphia pulled off a trade Tuesday for one of the league’s best shooters, stealing Jason Kapono from the Raptors for Reggie Evans

Kapono, even in limited minutes, can change the game for the 76ers just by parking on the perimeter and posing as a deep threat. That’s a weapon teams will need, especially in the improving Eastern Conference. I suspect this won’t be the last trade of this kind we’ll see between now and draft night. Teams are going to be forced to explore every option they can to improve without adding salary.

Finally, and before I forget, the best NBA news of the week comes not from the Finals or the draft but from the real plague of the league – brutal officiating. We’ll have three fewer relics to pick on next year if this report in the Boston Globe is true.

Reportedly Jimmy Clark, Luis Grillo and Jack Nies are taking their combined 73 years of experience/service to the retirement village with them. Adios fellas, the hecklers will miss you.

514 comments Add your comment

chris

June 10th, 2009
10:02 pm

Hawks all you got to do is draft Toney Douglas with the first pick and Jonas Jerebko in round 2

niremetal

June 10th, 2009
10:03 pm

Ray,

All I’m saying is look at the guy’s track record over the last 3-4 years for all his posts. His projections about who teams will pursue are almost always way off base. That’s not surprising – this is a DRAFT website, not a general NBA transactions website. The Gasol/Ellis was just one example. If that were the only things that didn’t happen, it would be one thing. But Nelson has a proven track record of BS.

Also, my general point stands. Guys who say “reportedly” without citing a source are bound to set off BS alarms. “Reported” indicates that some other news source has actually discussed this before. That begs the question – who reported it? The truth of course is no one. I bet you could scour Google for hours and not find a single source outside of fan blogs (and pseudo-news sources like Hoopsword) that say we’re looking at Sessions.

I’m not saying that we’re NOT pursuing Sessions. Indeed, I would be surprised if Sund wasn’t looking it him. It just makes sense that he would. But that doesn’t mean that Nelson is talking out of his a$$ when he says that the Hawks “reportedly are” looking at him.

Phillip

June 11th, 2009
12:12 am

I think the Hawks need to grab Craig Heinrich – everybody knows that the Atlanta Hawks need some “Vanilla Thunder” :)

Sam Wetherson

June 11th, 2009
12:15 am

Sekou you seem to have some kind of problem with Marvin Williams. I have noticed in your blogs you kind don’t even acknowledge the kid at all. Like this one you don’t even mention him at all and talk alot about Childress who already stated that he wasn’t coming back. Every blog we have to ask you about him because you don’t even mention him. You have mention a few times that you love the combo of Horf and Smith at the forward spots and that we should get a center. MArvin is a far better basketball play than Smoove imo but I guess the home town boy gets all the love despite his obvious shortcomings.

Ed

June 11th, 2009
12:50 am

Here’s Sekou’s latest draft published today

Sekou Smith
06/10/2009
Blake Griffin
Hasheem Thabeet
James Harden
Ricky Rubio
Jordan Hill
Jrue Holiday
Stephen Curry
DeMar DeRozan
Tyreke Evans
Jonny Flynn
DeJuan Blair
Earl Clark
Brandon Jennings
James Johnson
Terrence Williams
Gerald Henderson
B.J. Mullens
Ty Lawson
Wayne Ellington
Tyler Hansbrough
Eric Maynor
Austin Daye
Chase Budinger
Gani Lawal
Jeff Teague
Darren Collison
Toney Douglas
DaJuan Summers
Sam Young
Marcus Thornton

Ed

June 11th, 2009
12:51 am

Wayne Ellington is the Hawks pick as the numbers didn’t show up.

Ken Strickland

June 11th, 2009
1:23 am

It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see the Hawks pass on drafting a PG. As Sekou mentioned, and I’ve mentioned before, their’s no reason to believe the PG’s in this yrs draft are potentially any better than Acie, especially any that would be available when we draft. Why waste a 1st rd pick on a PG unless their’s some certainty he’ll get better treatment, and/or a better opportunity to succeed than Acie’s gotten.

We’d better go all out to resign Zaza, because failing to do so would leave us with RMorris as our only viable option at C off the bench. It’s a virtually a given that Solo will leave.

Mic

June 11th, 2009
1:34 am

If the Hawks are to keep their core, they definitely need a scoring point guard preferably a vet.. My suggestion is Stephon Marbury. I do believe that we will be able to obtain him rather cheaply and he still has plenty left in his game. Furthermore he will take the ball out of Josh Smith’s hands and run the offense that we rarely see; to freeing Joe Johnson of point duties!

Clyde

June 11th, 2009
4:15 am

I say Joe for the #1 or #2 pick and lets draft Thabet. Sign Marvin, Flip, Chills, Solo, and Sheed. Draft Wayne Ellington with the 19.

pg-flip
sg-marvin
sg-chills
pf-jsmoove
c-Sheed

pg-Acie
sg-Ellington
sf-evans
pf-Solo
c-Thabet

chris

June 11th, 2009
7:24 am

we need a CENTER people all this talk about a PG we have 5 of them ,AC LAW , Bibby , Flip ,
Speedy , West now the last thing we need is a PG who will siting on the bench

chris

June 11th, 2009
7:31 am

We need Greg Oden or Roy Hibbert Trade Marvin Williams and AC Law for one of theme

chris

June 11th, 2009
7:37 am

Toney Douglas and Jonas Jerebko in the Draft we get theme and we will be in the Playoff next year

Sekou Smith

June 11th, 2009
7:42 am

Jay raises some interesting points in his 8:45 post from last night.

Patty Mills at 19? I could live with that. All these point guards in the draft bring a little something different to the table. That’s the real dilemma for any team evaluating them all. Each one has something unique about his game that the others don’t necessarily have. Mills, Teague, Lawson and Maynor are all vastly different players. Any of the four would be a quality pickup at 19. I’m just not convinced the Hawks are going point guard there (at least not as convinced as I was two weeks ago).

The Hawks are going best player available at 19. They won’t be locked in to a certain position. It doesn’t make sense when you have as many needs as they do and you can’t address them until after the draft.

And while the Hawks haven’t conducted any workouts here in Atlanta since before the Chicago pre-draft camp (Terrence Williams headlined a group of about five guys who came in for a one-day shot roughly two weeks ago that was not open to the media), the player parade is expected to heat up next week and leading up to the draft.

The Hawks have spanned the globe for group and other workouts, including the Reebok Eurocamp in Treviso, where Mills lit up the floor in the All-Star game. So expect things to get really interesting in the next 10 days or so on the workout front.

chris

June 11th, 2009
7:45 am

Trade AC Law for Rodrigue Beaubois the kid can play people. Trade David Anderson for Vyacheslav Kravtsov and Draft Toney Douglas and Jonas Jerebko

A Tribe Called Quest

June 11th, 2009
8:03 am

Why the hell are we going for best player available? That is so stupid–we need a PG or center–not another talented SF

My god

Clyde

June 11th, 2009
8:54 am

We need a center not a pf who can’t play center. We need a center not point guard who won’t play because our coach is stuck on his own stupidity. We need a center so lets make the trade for the #2 and get Thabet. He will give us the shot blocker we need in the middle since Horford can’t.

Some of yall need to wake up. We have ignored our frontline for 5 years now and we paid the price for it against Cleveland.

Childress to stay in Greece

June 11th, 2009
9:25 am

[...] Three different sources I’ve spoken to in recent days insist that they don’t expect Josh Childress to return to the NBA this summer (he has until July 15 to opt out of his Greek contract or remain there for another season). The dynamics of his situation in the NBA haven’t changed from last summer. He’s still a restricted free agent and would be subject to dealing with a Hawks organization that couldn’t get a deal done with him last summer. So it was a serious miscalculation of mine to blindly assume he’d bolt Europe for the comfort of the states. Will the Hawks do the right things this summer? | Hawks Blog [...]

eddie

June 11th, 2009
9:27 am

let it rest about chris paul. we didn’t draft him. we know!!!!!! it’s over. let it go.

Halsey

June 11th, 2009
10:13 am

The thing the Hawks need to be concentrating on most, if they stay at pick 19, is just to find a guy who can stick around and contribute for a long time. It’s nice to address needs, but by pick 19 there are no guarentees that a guy who supposedly fills a need will be a quality NBA contributor. Acie Law supposedly filled a need. Basically the Hawks should take the best prospect regardless of position at 19.

The best thing they could do however, is try and trade for Chris Kaman. He would give the Hawks a solid, long term 7 footer.

cdog

June 11th, 2009
10:35 am

i don’t see any value with pachulia. you can draft a bj mullens and get more out of him than you do out of pachulia. resign childress and bibby.

Khao$

June 11th, 2009
10:44 am

Judging from Rick Sund’s history of drafting foreign players (actually drafting period), I’m not holding my breath for any major moves. Honestly, Sunds trackrecord isn’t that impressinve IMHO.

Volman

June 11th, 2009
11:10 am

I honestly don’t think the Hawks will go PG in the draft, but if they do it will be Mills.

I remember seeing J. Jack at at LEAST two of the home playoff games this season (and he went to Georgia Tech) so I bet you he felt how awesome of an atmosphere it was at the Highlight Factory. I think he’d love to play in Atlanta. I’d take Jack if I were looking at FA for a point guard. I love his toughness and ability to score.

Anyway, my two cents. I’m glad I’m not Rick Sund…because it seems like no matter what he’s going to do next, this entire blog is going to not be satisfied!

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
11:49 am

Clyde, where is Horford in your lineup?

HawkKingBibby

June 11th, 2009
12:32 pm

SEKOU, Come on man tell us who your FILL IN THE BLANK POINT GUARD IS. Ford? Felton? Also if we stay at 19 I got 3 words for Hawks fans: DERRICK BROWN BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

niremetal

June 11th, 2009
12:34 pm

Terrell,

Clyde thinks Horford traded for a bag of chips. I guess he figures that we need the bag of chips more than Horford so that Thabeet can put on some weight once he gets here.

Andy G

June 11th, 2009
12:39 pm

How about Ty Lawson? We need a point guard, and it’s not like Bibby ever drove to the hole or guarded anyone on D. But then again, Woodson sucks at developing young talent. He never plays the young guys until the last two minutes of the game (except when they are injuries). I say keep Zaza, sign and trade the others for Ellington and Lawson. A shooter and a real point guard will solve some troubles. Maybe even a Jarret Jack kind of guy too to shield Lawson from covering a big guard. I liked the work Sund did last year, but those were stop gap moves to cover the glaring weaknesses. We need a long term solution this year, not that anything is long term in the NBA (except the Speedy deal, holy crap it seems like we have had him doing nothing 4 EVER!!).

supa

June 11th, 2009
12:42 pm

The Hawks must draft Ty Lawson. He’s too driven not to succeed. Plus, he’s a wonderful character-type guy and a great leader. He’ll be the face of the franchise in a few years. I truly believe that.

Roy Williams basically handed him the team, and he was the team leader (not Hansbrough).

I met him at the team hotel at the Regionals in Memphis. Most of the top players ignored the fans, but Ty stopped and talked to everyone and signed as many autographs as he could. Because he was running late, he couldn’t give everyone an autograph, but he promised he’d come back after practice if they met him there. And sure enough, he was there when he said he would be.

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
12:45 pm

The Hawks are going to take Chase Budinger for the simple fact that he can play both WING positions, and he can knock down 3 pointers. I can feel it. I hope not, but it’s going to happen.

Andy G

June 11th, 2009
12:45 pm

Toney Douglas could help, too. Great true scorer, think Flip Murray, but better. Let’s not waste time on some pick that has potential that Woodson cannot develop.

I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY

June 11th, 2009
12:49 pm

Chillz stay’n in Greece and ZAZA is probably going to bolt…… Okay resign Marvin/Flip ASAP Sign -Jarret Jack- I’ve had enuff of the Mike bibby show.
Draft-Toney Douglas or Wayne Ellington in the first- 2 capable scorers……..
2nd round- Garret Siller-6′11 305 – Sum serious beef to protect the paint… He’s got to better than Solo and R. Morris

If we have the cap space sign the “Birdman” for energy off the bench

Terrell-Sergio Rodriguez is playing in Nrew york these days

Chris -Ac and a future first sounds good if we are gauranteed a shot at drafting Flynn- Lets be for real tho -no way in hell we get Oden for Ac and a pick…. Maybe Pryzbilla

Tribe CQ -u killn me man African American studies….lol _Yeah lets get prepared for a summer of useless information………..

” Acie is the Rocky moutain Revue MVP” who the hell cares
“Josh has morphed in a Yung reggie miller- Smoove for threeeee”

Cdog- ZAZA is one of the better backup centers in the league- He does alot of the dirty work /offensive rebounding and headd butting lol- the man wont wow u with his offense or anything but he is an effective backup or starter if need be

I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY

June 11th, 2009
12:53 pm

Terrel whats wrong with C.Budinger-he’s athletic -can get his own shot and has a stroke from deep, Who would u pick at 19 if all the good PG’s are gone……
Please dont tell me BJ Mullens-I saw a cupl OSU games this past season and I was like ahhhhm thats him -whats all the hype about -the man dissapears alot -I didnt even know he was in the game half of the tim

Ken Strickland

June 11th, 2009
12:53 pm

FOOD FOR THOUGHT- After reviewing Sekou’s mock draft, an idea came to me about why we might take a PG. Knowing Woodson’s disdane for young PG’s, suppose Sund drafts one, with the idea he’s going to give him one last chance to actually commit the time and effort to develop this PG, or he’s outa here.

If Woodson is successful, he stays and our PG problems are solved. If he’s unsuccessful, he’s sent packing and the new HC will have a PG of the future to work with.

I question whether we need a center as much as some of you might think. We managed to win 47 gms and advance to the 2nd rd of the playoffs with Horford as our center. Keep in mind he also missed a portion of the season due to injuries, and played injured for a portion of the season and the playoffs. What we need more than a center is a change of philosophy that would allow us to play an uptempo OFF and utilize our speed, quickness and athleticism to our maximum advantage.

The top teams know how to utilize their strengths to minimize their weaknesses, and all teams have weaknesses. Instead of us always being reactive, and trying to match other teams, we should be proactive and utilize our aforementioned strengths to force teams to try matching us.

We need an athletic PG that can shoot, play DEF and has the ability to breakdown DEF’s with his penetration. We also need another shooter and a stronger bench. Some of you are hung up on the idea of us needing a 7′ center to improve or get to the next level. For those of you that insist on believing that, please explain how the Hawks, with a PF(Horford) playing center, managed to finish ahead of every Eastern conference team except the Cavaliers, Celtics and Magic. And if you’ll check, you’ll find that most of the teams that finished below the Hawks have starting centers that are 6′11′ and above. While a big starting center would be a welcomed addition, it’s not a necessity for us. Afer all, the Piston’s haven’t done too badly using ao called natural PF’s at center(RWallace & AMcDyess).

RealSquawk

June 11th, 2009
12:53 pm

Questions for the bloggers.

What is the worst case scenario for the Hawks this offseason?

and

What is the best case scenario?

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
1:10 pm

Imus, I never said I didn’t like Budinger. He’s alright. But I’d rather have Maynor, Teague, Mills, Lawson, Flynn, Evans, Ellington, or even Earl Clark. Budinger is a poor man’s Marvin Williams, why should we go that route? Now if we plan on doing a sign and trade for Marvin, then I’d be o.k with the pick.

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
1:12 pm

And Imus, no way all of the good pg’s will be gone when we pick. This draft is loaded with potential at the pg and combo guard position.

Kenbud

June 11th, 2009
1:16 pm

Why can’t the Hawks make a big splash and get that #2 pick? ….. It’s a guard’s league now, and Ricky Rubio is the next great one. If you haven’t watched him play, then you are missing something. The Hawks have trade bait with Josh Smith (not a fan), expiring contract and a mix of future drafts picks. Rubio will set this city on fire.

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
1:16 pm

Ken, how do we know Sund even has the authority to say “you’re outta here”? B.K. said it, but the idiot is still here.

I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY

June 11th, 2009
1:54 pm

Terrel- So you Chase hate’n huh? LoL -we need depth at SF thats why I mentioned him- So you want to draft a Pg -thats going to need time to develope – Lets not go down that road again- The only Pgs I see starting quickly next year are Flynn/Rubio the rest are good but wont be ready for a while.

It really comes down to how long we havre to deal with woody-i just dont want to draft players that will never see the court….IE AC Law

I.MUS WRITE- INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY

June 11th, 2009
2:00 pm

Come on Kenbud…. -trade Josh Smith for an unproven player……. Wow- Our best playoff performer for an unproven Euro. I get frustrated with that yung’n alot but i wouldnt do that trade.

Terrell im going to shoot Sund an E-mail to let him know you wont be happy with any selection other than PG and see what he thinks……HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
3:11 pm

How bout this Clyde?
Marvin, Chills rights, Speedy’s contract and #19 to Memphis for Rudy Gay and #2?
Bibby/Law
JJ/Flip
Gay/Evans
Smith/Pendegraph(2nd rdr)
Horford/Thabeet(#2)

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
3:18 pm

Imus, Teague and Evans are combo guards, Ellington is a sg, and Earl Clark is a sf/pf, so why would you tell Sund a big ole lie?

terrell barron

June 11th, 2009
3:22 pm

What would it take to pry Prizbillia away from Portland? Would a sign and trade for Marvin get it done?

Sekou Smith

June 11th, 2009
3:37 pm

My bad HawkKing, I didn’t realize you really expected me to answer that. :)

cp

June 11th, 2009
3:37 pm

From reading the report on Mills he was getting his shot blocked a lot by other guards. They think his size might be a problem. If we cant get Flynn or Teague I would probably stay away from a pg in the first round. Terrance Williams, Earl Clark, Sam Young, and the kid from Xavier could help this team. In the second round I like the guard from Miami who won the 3 pt shooting contest in college.

chris

June 11th, 2009
3:53 pm

Trade Marvin and Chills rights and David Andersen rights to Portland for Greg Oden

UGA

June 11th, 2009
4:01 pm

We need to be realistic, keeping Marvin is a must. We are not going to get a better 3 than him (of what may be available and affordable).

How much better did he get since his rookie year? Woodson told him to develop his 3-point shot, and he hit some big ones this year.

Hawks need to re-sign the other 3 free agents. Other teams in the Eastern Conference have better players than the Hawks, but the Hawks some how seemed to play well together and knew how to win especially at home.

IF we can somehow sign all of our FA’s, I’d suggest to sign a Jack/Felton to back up Bibby and a scoring PF (CharlieV/Drew Gooden/McDyess) and we’d be OK.

Ariose

June 11th, 2009
4:08 pm

Or problem is Commmitment. O.K So we stick with Acie. Draft Ellington in the 1st rd. Danny Green in the second and sign Gerald Green. We now have a Legit bench Full of SG/SF who can come in if Marvin and/or Joe get injured. They were run into the ground this past season…..if it happens again Marvins back may be in a lot more pain that it’s currnetly in.

Then you re-sign Marvin/Flip/Zaza/ Solo and Sign Sheed…….No Bibby….Like Ray said, Woodson needs to be taken away from his crutch in order to Play the younger guys.

Ariose

June 11th, 2009
4:12 pm

CP, (Flynn,Lawson,Mills,Rice) all are 6′0 and all will get their shots blocked a few times. If Mills is getting it blocked, at least you know he’s in attack mode. If you watched him play in College or you saw him in the Olympics you’d know that it won’t be a problem.

If you want to go Bigger, There is 6′2 A.J Price in the second Round out of UCONN. Or that Hyper-athletic 6′2 Brazillian point guard guard…

Ariose

June 11th, 2009
4:14 pm

Or 6′3 PG Lester Hudson out of Tennesse-Martin (27ppg)

UGA

June 11th, 2009
4:22 pm

Hawks are not getting Rasheed Wallace. He and Josh Smith together would be a disaster with the crying and bad attitudes.