HAWKSVILLE – I know that the NBA hype machine would have you believe that the NBA playoffs is basically a test of wills between Kobe Bryant and LeBron James.
If you let the networks tell it, we’re all just bearing witness to the crowning of the king or the validation of KB24’s reign as the heir to his Airness.
Count Magic superstar center and Atlanta native Dwight Howard among those who have heard just about enough. And the AJC’s own Jeff Schultz isn’t far behind Howard in the enough is enough line.
The only problem with all the Kobe/LeBron fuss is that arguably the two most critical guys on the floor thus far in these outstanding Eastern and Western Conference finals have been Lakers’ swingman Trevor Ariza and Orlando Magic super sub Mickael Pietrus.
As well Bryant, James, Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Pau Gasol, Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu and all the other major players have played during certain stretches, Ariza and Pietrus have been just as, if not more important to their team’s efforts.
Ariza’s made two game-clinching plays to seal wins for the Lakers, both defensive gems on inbounds plays. And Pietrus has not only been a lights out shooter against the Cavs, he’s played James as well defensively as any player I’ve seen in the last three seasons – and that includes defensive stalwarts Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen.
Now I’ll admit that my theory could be the product of viewing way too much playoff basketball the past month and counting, or an excessive amount of fumes to the dome from a long weekend spent over the top of my grill. But it seems like the contributions of these two role players will have as much to do with who plays in the NBA Finals as any singular effort from a superstar for any of the four teams remaining in this postseason.
Which brings me to our favorite topic ‘round these parts … the Hawks and their roster in need of major surgery this summer (more on that below).
Folks keep telling me about who needs to go to make this team better. And I keep thinking about what they need to add to this group to get better.
The Hawks need guys like Ariza and Pietrus to complete what they started with last year’s playoff appearance and continued this season with their Eastern Conference semifinal appearance.
Flip Murray and Mo Evans qualify, as does Zaza Pachulia. But of the three, only Evans is guaranteed to be in a Hawks uniform in the fall. Not only do the Hawks need to find ways to keep Murray and Pachulia in the fold, they need to find more guys like them (or better).
That’s where the Hawks greatest improvement will come next season (save a blockbuster trade), in the sum of their parts. And those parts have to improve down the roster.
Can you imagine the Hawks with an explosive scoring power forward like Charlie Villanueva (a restricted free agent this summer with a bit of a Twitter habit) or Chris Wilcox (another free agent this summer) coming off of their bench? And not as a replacement for Pachulia but as a running mate. That’s the kind of addition that helps recast the Hawks for next season.
If you’re serious about keeping the core together and still improving your roster, which is the theme we’ve heard from the Hawks non-stop since they were swept out of the playoffs.
DRAFT CHATTER is the favorite topic of many this time of year, and for good reason.
Spanish point guard phenom Ricky Rubio is the guy generating the most attention in the draft, for reasons good and apparently bad, per some folks.
The fine folks at TrueHoop did a bang up job detailing the luster and the risk of a player like Rubio, who is universally regarded as the best point guard “prospect” to come out of Europe in some time, and perhaps ever.
My most trusted source on all things Rubio is Lang Whitaker of SLAM Magazine, who has been on the Rubio bandwagon for years now. He’s the first person I can remember having seen Rubio play in person. And as best I can remember, he was the first writer to travel to Spain to interview and write about Rubio. So I’m going on his word that Rubio is going to be a star in the NBA.
“He is,” Whitaker said by phone Tuesday morning from his New York office. “The thing with Rubio is … did you see the gold medal game? He played great against Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Jason Kidd. I don’t know who else you want to see him against to convince you that he’s going to be a star.”
Lang doesn’t have to convince me. I’m willing to play along with the international charade as long as the player is as talented as Rubio (and I did watch the gold medal game. Rubio made some nice plays but he wasn’t what stood out to me).
But not everyone I’ve talked to is convinced.
“I’d much rather have Derrick Rose,” one Eastern Conference executive told me by phone Tuesday morning. “And it’s not even close in my eyes. Don’t get me wrong, Rubio is talented. He might have tons of potential. But seriously, how many times have we said that about one of these young kids and then he gets over here and we find out there are all these things about his game that just don’t add up in the NBA? That’s what worries me about Rubio. We’ve seen glimpses of him against NBA competition. It’s just like when you watch Rudy Fernandez and Linas Kleiza look unstoppable in international play and then they get to the NBA season and you realize it’s a totally different game. Rubio is going to find the same issues where his game is concerned.”
How that’s different from any other college player/prospect is beyond me. I mean, who knew Rose would be so good from the start? Actually, lots of people expected it. In fact, that’s what led the draft debate last year between Rose and Michael Beasley. There doesn’t seem to be the same sort of debate between the point guard and power forward this year (I’ve heard very few people discuss let alone advocate taking Rubio over Blake Griffin).

... while others wonder if he's even in the same class as a transcendent talent like Chicago's own Derrick Rose.
“A much better gauge is a guy who has dominated in Europe and then comes over here at the top of his game, like Pau Gasol did, like Manu Ginobili did and Luis Scola did,” the Eastern Conference exec continued.” They showed up ready to play because they weren’t just prospects, they were established players and really stars over there. The bottom line is this, the way you develop young players here and in Europe is vastly different. And it doesn’t always work best for young international players over here.”
An unabashed Hawks fan, Lang barked at me over a week ago about what he wants to see his hometown team do with the 19th pick in the June draft.
His email from last week:
Rick Sund’s last three first round picks? Robert Swift, Saer Sene and Johan Petro.
I really hope the Hawks draft Toney Douglas from FSU. We need to get his name out there. Dude can shoot, drives all the time, can play the 1 and 2 and was ACC defensive player of the year. And he’s from Jonesboro. I don’t understand why more people aren’t talking about him. Coach K said this at the ACC Tournament: ”He’s my favorite non-Duke player in the country. I love that guy. I talk about him a lot to our guys. They’re probably mad at me. He’s as good as there is in college.”
THE HAWKS AREN’T THE ONLY TEAM IN THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION stuck in point guard limbo with the draft and free agency fast approaching. The team the Hawks vanquished in the first round of the playoffs is in a similar predicament, though the Miami Heat already have one proven building block in Mario Chalmers.
My main man Mike Wallace of the Miami Herald points out as much in his latest blog, shouting out Hawks point guards past and present in the process:
And it makes you wonder. Why does every other team in the league seem to have a spare Flip Murray on the roster, yet the Heat goes two seasons without one? Shaun Livingston didn’t have the legs. Marcus Banks lacked the skills. And Penny Hardaway – dare we say – didn’t have anything left other than pleasant memories of when he used to be somebody in this league.
This Magic-Cavs series is stocked with serviceable, stop-gap type veteran parts at the point that Miami either tried to get and couldn’t, parted with too soon or probably should have pursued harder when it had the chance.
Orlando has three of them: Rafer Alston, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue.
How crazy would it be to see the Magic make the NBA Finals with two point guards (Johnson and Lue for those of you who have just recently joined us here in Hawksville) the Hawks shipped out of town to get Mike Bibby on their roster?

Might Jonesboro's Toney Douglas be an option for the Hawks with the 19th pick in the June NBA Draft? It's an intriguing idea, courtesy of Lang Whitaker of SLAM Magazine.
And depending on what happens in July, Bibby could be joining them as ex-Hawks point guards.
The Hawks, of course, are in need of a starting material at the point. And that might come in the form of Bibby, if the Hawks can find a way to reel him back in from the free agent waters with the right deal, or someone else.
Speaking of Bibby, the good folks at Hawksquawk, threw some great questions my way about the team and where things might be headed. And as you can probably imagine, Bibby’s name came up several times.
We’ve discussed Bibby endlessly around here, so won’t go into detail about the tenor of the conversation they are having about him elsewhere. But I’ll share this one question and answer (and suggest you check out the rest of it on their site (which is pretty impressive, by the way):
Q. Was there a change in the locker-room demeanor since the addition of Bibby? Did he bring a playoff presence to the Hawks team? Is there any urgency (or perceived urgency) to resign Flip?
A. Bibby assumed a leadership position automatically, which is what the Hawks needed. He eased the pressure on Joe and Woodson as well, which needed to happen. And more than a playoff presence he brought a sense of accountability to the locker room, which was lacking before his arrival. He was the right personality and player at just the right time for the Hawks. It was almost like he added that “why not us?” factor to this team that wasn’t there before, a sense of they could do some things with him that didn’t really seem possible until he showed up. Flip proved invaluable this season and while I wouldn’t call it urgency, there’s certainly a need to make sure Flip is kept in the fold.
WITH SO MANY ROSTER QUESTIONS TO DEAL WITH THIS SUMMER it’s hard for me to imagine the Hawks’ brass taking too many days off between now and late July.
I know they’ve begun their predraft workouts, which unlike in years past are not open to the media. And the scaled down predraft camp has moved back to Chicago from Orlando this summer. It begins this week and runs into this weekend.
As far as the Hawks’ individual workouts, I’m not sure there will be much to talk about anyway. Astro Joe emailed a little while ago wondering if they’d begun and whether or not I’d seen anything worth talking about. I promptly relayed the story to him of Al Horford’s workout two years ago that left quite a few people scratching their heads as to what all the fuss was about.
Had the Hawks based their pick in that year’s draft on the workout alone, Horford might not have been the choice (luckily for us all Billy Knight stuck to his “gimme the best power forward type I can get at this spot” guns and made the right call).
Different teams value different things in the predraft process. Some want to see what a guy looks like on the hoof or how he tests out in various drills that have little or nothing to do with why you’d want a guy on your team.
Others want to see if he interviews a certain way, wanting to make sure they’re adding the right type of guy to their team. Me, I need to know a guy can play. And I’m positive I can tell more from watching him play in games than I can from anything he’ll do in a scripted workout.
But that doesn’t mean I won’t relay what I’m hearing leading up to the draft. After all, this is easily one of the Hawks’ most critical summers in a string of huge ones. What they do in the draft and free agency basically determines if they’re going to stay among the upper echelon of the Eastern Conference or slide back down to the playoff purgatory waters that they bathed in for years.
657 comments Add your comment
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
7:53 pm
Horford should be untouchable unless LeBron, Dwight Howard, CP3, Deron Williams, or a comparably unattainable player is on the other side of the deal. I count Amare and Bosh as borderline in that category. The point is that Horford is our most untouchable player due to the combination of his current production, upside, reasonable price tag, and intangible qualities that he brings. I know Clyde still hates on him, but we’d be insane to give Horford up in exchange for anything less than a surefire, healthy franchise player.
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
8:03 pm
nire,
co-sign
darrell starks
May 26th, 2009
8:08 pm
Niremental i like horford to but you have to give up something to get something i say keep josh and joe and build around them 2 i guess you disagree with me you have to choose between josh or horford?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
May 26th, 2009
8:14 pm
TO line up 1st team ACIE, JOE, CHILL, HORFORD, BOSH.
line up 2nd team ACIE, JOE, CHILL, JOSH, BOSH.
i like 2nd team better.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
8:32 pm
Niremetal,
FYI – Chad Ford has Toney at #26
doc
May 26th, 2009
8:34 pm
chuck, nice laundry list there. i like the idea of what it takes philosophically to put the team together rather than naming individuals. way too many names to plug in but we can certainly talk in contextual terms.
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
8:36 pm
I definitely like the first team better. If we have Bosh, we need a tough 1-on-1 post defender. Josh is a great help defender but he doesn’t have the patience or strength to play on-ball post defense as well as Horford can.
doc
May 26th, 2009
8:37 pm
i guess sautee someone else thinks he is a first rounder. the way nire describes douglas it sounds like a young bibby. heh heh
ring me up blood.
doc
May 26th, 2009
8:39 pm
horford is untouchable no matter what sund says if only for salary vs return on that invetment..
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
9:01 pm
Poor Anthony Johnson. Looks like the refs have it in for him tonight.
Turns his back on Mo and gets tapped with the ball in the back and SOMEHOW that’s a foul. More pro-Cavs B.S.
David Stern
May 26th, 2009
9:02 pm
I will do everything in my power to get Lebron to the finals
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
9:06 pm
Sautee,
At this point last year, Ford had Brook Lopez going #3, DeAndre Jordan going #14, and…well, I’ll just let you read the damned thing:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_Chad&page=MockDraft-080520
The next time I put 10 cents worth of stock into anything published by an ESPN writer will be the first.
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
9:09 pm
But point taken – SOMEone has him going in the first round
Jiminy Cricket
May 26th, 2009
9:09 pm
Even if it means personally sucking his dick?
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
9:09 pm
So when LeBron complains, he’s being competitive, but when Josh complains he’s a selfish whiner. Makes sense to me.
RealSquawk
May 26th, 2009
9:12 pm
I really miss Acie.
I wish he would stay and play 30 minutes a game.
I hope we don’t lose Flip.
I do wish we would part ways with Mo.
I hope we can bring chill back.
I think Randolph Morris would have been a great offensive weapon.
I have to agree that Solo is not effective, but its not his fault.
I hope David Anderson finds his way onto this roster.
And in Woody’s good graces.
I hope Zaza loves Atlanta as much as we love him.
I want Salim Stoudamire to play well next season.
I want Royal Ivey to play well.
I want Acie to play well in a hawks uniform so Woody doesn’t feel too bad.
And for the finale!!!
The only difference between Mike Brown and Mike Woodson is Lebron James and Joe Johnson respectively.
darrell starks
May 26th, 2009
9:13 pm
Yes your right about josh i think thats one of his weakness but josh has the potential and the gift to be something special by him going from high school to the pro have hurt him a lot on learning some ove the fundamental of basketball and 1 is learning how to position your self when it comes to rebounding but i would rather face horford on another team than josh just because of his potential it could be scary.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
9:17 pm
Nire,
Wasn’t trying to make a point. Personally I see Toney somewhat like Mateen Cleaves. Physically strong guy who was a beast in his last collegiate year, but may be a step slow for the pros.
I DO like his defensive toughness, but I’d worry about him guarding anybody with serious “quicks”. Which, of course, he’ll have to do at this level.
But what do I know? I thought Dahntay Jones was a step slow, too and he’s doing just fine. Glad I’m not a GM.
Melvin
May 26th, 2009
9:20 pm
Niremetal,
I think you gave/giving Sund far too much credit with your 5:22 post. The Hawks front office clearly admit that Olympiacos deal caught them off guard. And I recalled Childress agent stated there were other teams interested in Chillz and it was reported that the Suns had a S&T deal on the table. So for you to say teams must have been scared off by his asking price is an assumption by you to back your theory. Sund was blind side by the Olympiacos contract and try to make amends by offering a mid-level contract (b/c he thought he had all the leverage). Chillz declined and flew the coop. As for Mo Evans, I don’t think were a ton of teams knocking down his door to sign him as he was brought into the picture after the Chillz fiasco. Bottomline, Sund over played his hand and sign Mo Evans as damage control but it was Flip who bail him out of his terrible offseason. If Sund was such a genious, he would have signed Flip for 3yrs and given Mo the 1 yr contract…
See link as exhibit #1:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/07/23/atlantas-sund-delivers-a-simply-awful-response-to-childress-goi/
Melvin
May 26th, 2009
9:24 pm
Sautee, cosign the 9:09 post….
Astro Joe
May 26th, 2009
9:35 pm
Fun to watch the Magic get 3-point happy just like our team. They simply stop looking for the two-point bucket and just fire from deep.
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
9:36 pm
Every time LeBron does ANYTHING, Marv Albert sounds like he’s gonna lose his load in his pants. Sickening.
Astro Joe
May 26th, 2009
9:38 pm
In fact, what the conference finals have reminded me is that every team has warts. And every coach, too.
Long Dong Silver
May 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
Jiminy Cricket: so-sign.
Long Dong Silver
May 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
My bad “co-sign.”
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
Melvin,
Nowhere have I ever seen the Hawks front office “clearly admit” or even impliedly admit that the Olympiacos signing caught them off-guard. The link you posted says nothing remotely suggesting that. And so what if another team had an S&T deal on the table? Odds are that such a trade probably offered Atlanta little-to-nothing or that they didn’t pay Chill what Olympiacos would
I don’t think you, Ray, or anyone else can contend with a straight face that Rick Sund had no clue what Childress’s agents were asking for. Of course he knew. He thought the Hawks would be better off letting Childress go to Europe for a year or two, saving $7M+, and signing Mo and a vet. And you know what? It looks like he was right. Because we won 47 games this year while spending just $4M on Flip/Mo AND we still the retain the right to match any/all offers for Chill this summer.
Marv Albert
May 26th, 2009
9:40 pm
OH MY GOD, THAT SHOT GIVES THE CAVS A ONE-POINT LEAD!!!!!!!!
*head explodes*
Atlanta Hawks Front Office
May 26th, 2009
9:42 pm
The Olympiakos signing caught us off guard.
So did Joe Johnson getting…tired.
Marv Albert
May 26th, 2009
9:43 pm
*can’t talk right now, his mouth is full…of Lebron*
O'brien
May 26th, 2009
9:50 pm
Zaza made $4 mil last year, and I assume he expects a raise ($5-$6 mil maybe). Gortat made $700k, and he also expects a raise. I think Gortat could be signed from Orlando (for a little less than what Zaza would get, maybe $4-$5 mil). Remember, Orlando still has to pay Tony Battie $5.7 mil.
Question: If we have a choice between Zaza and Gortat from Orlando (I dont think we can afford both), who would you take? Personally, I would take Gortat because he is better defensively, and is not a turnover waiting to happen. Although he is not the offensive rebounder Zaza is. But if we get a shooting big man like Charlie V, Gortat would be my choice.
cp
May 26th, 2009
10:00 pm
I actually think the Suns offered us Barbosa for Chills. I remember reading that. Barbosa is not a point guard so we all know Woody would have tried to make him a point guard. I cant lie I would have liked Barbosa on this team. He is a scorer and in the playoffs we lacked scoring.
Astro Joe
May 26th, 2009
10:04 pm
If Sund decides that he wants a PG from ths draft, he needs to trade up to grab one of the top 7 PGs (Rubio, Jennings, Curry, Holiday, Flynn, Lawson & Maynor). After that, I think there is a drop-off to the next tier including Teague, Calathes, Collison, Mills and Douglas. And I think that Sund should target the Suns at #14. 76ers will likely target a PG and if the T’Wolves pass up on one with their first pick, they will surely take a look at one with their second 1st round pick. The Hawks need to get in front of both of those teams. Would the rights to Andersen and the 19th pick get us up 5 spots? Suns always have financial issues so dropping back saves them some money and if they don’t want Andersen this year, they can keep him in Europe until they are ready to bring him over.
One more thng on ths Douglas deal, there are several teams choosing AFTER the Hawks that need a PG also. Mavs, Kings (if they don’t one early but they likely will) and Blazers could all take a shot at Douglas. I don’t see a big difference between one PB-needy team choosing Douglas at 19 vs. a different PG-needy team selecting him at 21.
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
Nire,
About this: “Because we won 47 games this year while spending just $4M on Flip/Mo AND we still the retain the right to match any/all offers for Chill this summer.”
Which is worth what? If Chills doesn’t WANT to come back here, are we not behind the 8 ball? What is the positive in that scenario?
doc
May 26th, 2009
10:09 pm
real as i was hearing chuck and kenny criticizing brown for his handling of the bench, its roles and keeping them primed by playing them for some regular minutes i was thinking the same thing. then i read your remark at 9:12.
melvin, yup flip for three but he was rescued as an after thought from russia wasnt it? mo had to be talked out of going somewhere else as he was rumored to be signed by someone else, houston i think but i guess they had to promise him an extra year to get him. if you remember i saidbefore the fact that the agents of josh and chillls need to be creative and look elsewhere. if i could see it coming why didnt sund and the hawks’ basg. it is even more embarrasisng to give the idea they were caught blind sided. it only points to their arrogance in playing their hand too hard. i would have preferred them saying we gave a good offer and low and behold chills did himself proud by shopping it over seas and stealing money from the russians in greece in eruos. that would have meant they were proactive. overall i still have my concerns about sund and will watch how they handle this year as it is a lot more complicated than last year when they only had to deal with two moving parts and almost fumbled that one. the jury is still out.
Big Ray
May 26th, 2009
10:10 pm
Niremetal,
Sund surely knew what Childress’ agents wanted, but he did NOT see that Olympiacos offer coming. Sorry, but I’m not swallowing that one. If he did, then why bother making that offer that was “well above the MLE?” By the way, I never said, or even insinuated that Sund had no clue what Chills and his agents wanted. I don’t which bodily orifice you pulled THAT one from.
I agree that there is a sufficient lack of proof, and quite a dose of speculation on both sides of the argument. By the way, why would the Hawks front office admit that they were blindsided by the Olympiacos offer? Give me a break…
Mo Evans was trying to get to Golden State. They balked, Sund swooped in. Flip Murray was headed to Russia. Yes, this was very easy for Sund, as both guys were looking for jobs, and not finding them in preferred places.
Now what you do seem to insinuate is that Sund knew Olympiacos was going to make the offer, and that he planned to let Chills go across the pond and save the cash. Funny, I never saw a report where Sund admitted to that, either. But hey, you’re right. He’s a genius. We won 47 games, and that proves it, right?
By that logic, everything Woody did was right on the money with everything HE did, as well…I mean, 47 games has to be all the proof one needs to see this. Ah yes, life is a two-way street with no stop signs…
Heh.
pound4pound
May 26th, 2009
10:11 pm
Sekou – thanks for stopping by the squawk.
The only way this team improves its record is by acquiring a Center. Our offense will never change with Woody at the helm. The go-Joe Offense is what it is and it is here to stay. If we can get someone who won’t get pushed around in the middle – then we can improve our interior defense and rebounding. If NO wants to get rid of Tyson Chandler so badly then we should take him off of their hands for one of our forwards and filler. Ditto for Chris Kaman after LAC take Griffin.
Something tells me that we are going to have Flip Murry as our starting point guard next season. I’m okay with that if we put someone over 7 foot in the paint.
Flip
Joe
Marvin
Josh
Chandler
Melvin
May 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
Nire,
For Sund sake he better keep his fingers cross that a team doesn’t call his bluff and offer Chillz above MLE contract (especially if its front loaded) b/c that would be the same cause that he tried to avoid which sent Chillz to Europe. Uh, how many teams will be under the cap in 2010 again??? Yes, he’s taking a tactical gamble with house money…..
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
10:17 pm
doc,
“the jury is still out.”
Big co-sign
Big Ray
May 26th, 2009
10:21 pm
Astro Joe,
I understand the premise behind players that play hurt, and those that don’t. I wonder what was going on in Acie’s mind, where that was concerned. Acie had decent minutes when all Woody had to work with was Lue, AJ, and Speedy in a suit. However, when he got Bibby (an obvious upgrade), Acie got very little burn when he came back from injury. Then Acie shows out in preseason, and Flip is added to the roster during the offseason. Acie was healthy, and got very little burn. What he got was inconsistent. I wonder. Just how motivated would I feel to play hurt when I couldn’t get much playing time while fully healthy? Woody lamented the fact that Acie wasn’t around to play when he Bibby was out, and Flip was the only option. Well….I don’t know what to say. It really doesn’t matter at this point, and I don’t care. Just ship the guy out for somebody who WILL play (and will GET to play), hurt or not. Somebody who can gain the confidence and respect of teammates and coaches alike.
By the way, you’re right. Every team and it’s coach DOES have warts. Some just have bigger warts, and more of them. Some have fewer and less heinous ones.
AL
May 26th, 2009
10:25 pm
Whats the purpose of drafting a point guard when the coach is not going to develop him. He has already killed to good guards Salim and Acie. The bench we have mite work if he played them through the years to see what we have.
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
Ray,
The “no clue” comment was directed more at Mel, who seems quite convinced that the Hawks were caught totally off-guard by the Olympiakos deal. I guess we can agree to disagree. I do think that Sund might have thought Chill was bluffing about Greece (after all, no other American player of his caliber had ever bolted across the pond), but he surely knew two things 1) that Chill was not going to come back for $6.5M or less; and 2) that the Hawks could get better than Chill for that $6.5M.
And I don’t see anyone can say with a straight face that Mo was a panic signing. I’m not saying that you’re explicitly saying that, but you KNOW that we would not have signed Mo if we had re-signed Chills. The Mo deal was concluded within 36 hours after Chill signed with Greece. NO contract is signed that quickly in the NBA. That deal was at least a few days in the making. That means that unless you’re contending that Mo was a panic signing, Sund had made a conscious decision BEFORE the Childress signing that Chill was asking for too much and that the Hawks were better off paying $2.5M for Mo than paying more than $7M for Chill.
The comparison with Woody is a non-sequiter. I don’t pull this out too often, but I said in August that we were a better team with Flip and Mo than we would have been with Chill. There’s a REASON Chill went to Europe – if you look at what you can get for his price tag, most teams will be better off signing 2-3 solid veterans at $2-2.5M/yr than they would be paying Chill $7M. I’m not saying Childress is a bad player. Just that he doesn’t do any one thing particularly great. That’s why it was the best thing for both Childress and for the Hawks to let him go to Europe.
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
The freakin’ refs WILL get Howard gone. More B.S.
Big Ray
May 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
Melvin,
I’m considering Childress a lost asset, until proven otherwise. I don’t care what anybody says about it, the fact is that we’re not in the best position with him. I say he’s out of the picture. Niremetal has surely worked hard enough to make sure everybody knows we don’t have any rights to him. What else can you call it?
As far as I’m concerned, it’s Bibby that Sund has to be wary of playing too much of a poker game with. Bibby can go where he wants as a UFA. At this point, you can talk about money, but what if Bibby wants to win a championship next year or the year after? He’s not going to do it here. All he has to do is take a paycut to go elsewhere. Not only that, but he could go someplace where he would have less responsibility. All speculation, but no less so than any assumptions that is a lock to return here, and for just the right money. But whatever…Sund is the GM.
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
Mel,
You’re right that we’re screwed if some team is stupid enough to throw $9M/yr at Childress next year. But despite repeated posts here to the contrary, I think he’ll be a restricted free agent next summer as well, assuming we make a qualifying offer. I don’t think there’s a time limit on how long the Hawks get to hold his rights, or at least I’ve never seen a legit news organization that has said as much (and Larry Coon won’t answer my damned emails asking him about that!).
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
Ray,
We don’t have any TRADEABLE rights to him. We do have the right to match all NBA teams’ offers for him, which is very valuable – it means that as long as no other team values Childress significantly more than the Hawks do, we can keep him here (or else force the other team to work out a sign-and-trade with us). That’s a valuable right. It’s just not one that we are allowed to trade.
Sautee
May 26th, 2009
10:34 pm
Nire,
But as I said, if Chills DOESN’T want to come here, then exactly what is that worth?
Astro Joe
May 26th, 2009
10:34 pm
Ray, Mario West stayed ready. I’m not saying that waiting is easy, but goodness, what else did he need to do but sit there and be ready?
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
10:42 pm
Sautee,
In that case, it’s worth nothing. But what would you rather have us do? Re-sign him for a price he isn’t worth? I’m just waiting to hear a suggestion for a feasible alternative about what we could have done with Childress that would have made the team better.
Big Ray
May 26th, 2009
10:45 pm
Astro Joe,
That’s why I said that I wondered what was going on in his head. He didn’t seem to have a bad attitude (at least he didn’t make faces like Salim did).
Mario West? Tell you what, I wish more guys had his attitude and drive. But let’s be real, at the same time. Acie Law: slated to be a lottery pick. Mario West: was not expected to make it in the league.
Glad he did make it, and love to see him play when he does. As for Acie, I don’t have the answers. That’s why I said, “ship him.” And hope Sund’s poker game goes better with Bibby and Flip than it has with other guys.
niremetal
May 26th, 2009
10:45 pm
Aaaaaaaaand good night! Go Magic!