All the right moves
The Hawks will have Mike Woodson back to start another season in the fall.
HAWKSVILLE - Hawks coach Mike Woodson is not going anywhere.
Hawks general manager Rick Sund made that clear on at least three different occasions Tuesday, on two different sports talk radio shows in the morning and later to me in his office.
Not that it was an issue or anything (laugh track goes here).
Woodson has one year remaining on his contract and Sund, while not confirming or denying any details pertaining to said contract, insisted that the Hawks would indeed “honor Woodson’s contract.”
(Last summer there was a legitimate question about Woodson’s future since his contract had expired. But when a coach signs a two-year deal, wins 47 games, a top four seed, and guides his team to the Eastern Conference semifinals in the first, questions about his job security, no matter what any of us here think of his performance, don’t register with the folks in charge of hiring and firing).
Read into that what you will. But it should be noted that several times throughout the nearly 60 minutes we spent talking, Sund praised Woodson and his staff numerous times for the job they did this season.
Sund’s making all the right moves leading up to the July 1 free agent frenzy. He hasn’t closed the door on anything (more below) and hasn’t thrown anyone or anything under the bus heading into the draft and what looks like it might be yet another long summer for the Hawks.
Those of you interested in continuing the debate about Woodson’s future are welcome to do so, but anyone else interested in moving off that topic and onto a few others, the rest of this blog is for you:
AFTER ALL, IT IS DRAFT LOTTERY NIGHT around the rest of the NBA.
And after years of being a major player in the lottery, the Hawks are on the outside looking in for the second straight year (which is a good thing if you’ve also made the playoffs for the second straight year).
Blake Griffin knows that all the ping pong balls in the lottery are pointing toward him as the No. 1 pick!
The Blake Griffin sweepstakes (win at your own peril) are almost over for those lonely teams like Sacramento, Washington and the Los Angeles Clippers – the three teams with best statistical odds of snagging the top pick in what doesn’t have the makings of anything other than a mediocre (at best) draft.
There’s no doubt Griffin is the big prize. But outside of the Oklahoma superstar power forward (and Connecticut center Hasheem Thabeet, Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio and Smyrna native and Arizona star big man Jordan Hill), there’s a consensus that teams will do a whole lot of reaching for impact players in this draft.
“This is basically a two-man draft and Rubio,” a wise Eastern Conference executive told me today. “It’s Griffin and Thabeet and you have to figure out where Rubio fits in there, too.”
So where does that leave a team like the Hawks with the 19th pick (in a draft that is already light on big men and point guards)?
Basically in limbo.
Because if they hold on to their pick and wait and see what shakes out of the lottery and down into their hands, the best they can hope for is the proposition of choosing between the best player available and and someone who strictly fills a need (as opposed to an elite talent at a position that fills a need).
That’s if they hold on to the pick and don’t package it with another asset and move them for something they need more than a rookie swingman (again, you have to figure the best point guards and big men will be gone by 19) or project at another position.
“What they’ve got to do is find a player at 19 that makes the coaching staff play him every night,” that wise Eastern Conference exec told me.
I couldn’t agree more.
The last three players chosen at 19 in the draft:
Cleveland (and Marietta’s own) J.J. Hickson in 2008, Washington and (Atlanta’s own) Javaris Crittenton in 2007 and Toronto’s Quincy Douby in 2006.
Not one of them started a single game during his rookie season.
So if we go on recent history alone, the chances of the Hawks finding anything more than a rotation player at 19 are pretty slim. And in a weak draft, even that might be a stretch.
THAT’S WHY I CAN’T IMAGINE THE HAWKS ARE BANKING ON THEIR DRAFT PICK MAKING – OR BREAKING – THEIR SUMMER, as has been the case in years past.
You can’t with that sort of empirical data as your guide.
Besides, the Hawks have far more pressing issues in free agency, where they’ll have to deal with what Sund referred to as “moving pieces.”
The Hawks have more of those free agent pieces – Mike Bibby, Zaza Pachulia, Flip Murray, Solomon Jones and Marvin Williams (the only one of the bunch that’s restricted, as is Josh Childress, whose rights the Hawks still retain while he is living and working in Greece) – than any team likes.
A big summer for the Hawks could get even bigger if Josh Childress finds his way home from Greece! The Hawks still hold his rights while he's living and working overseas.
Tough choices will have to be made. And anyone not invested for the long run (don’t expect this process to be resolved quickly) is probably in for a tough summer.
I don’t suspect that Sund will be rushed into any deals. What with the tightening of belts all around the league, teams won’t be so quick to spend as freely as they have been in the past.
The free agent marketplace is sure to be constipated, just like all the other markets have been since the global recession began (no, the NBA is not immune).
That might actually work out well for the Hawks, if their quest is to keep the core of this season’s roster together as best they can. And from all indications, that’s exactly what their aim is this summer.
IN TODAY’S FINALE ODE TO THE NBA SUMMER, it seemed only fitting that I pass along yet another pertinent link to a home run story from my main man Steve Aschburner of si.com.
For all the bellyaching folks do about coaches and players (and officials, and beat writers and just about everything else), you at least know when you’ve got a good or a bad one.
But as the elder statesman points out, a good GM is really hard to find.
Here’s a taste:
“Hiring an NBA coach is like hiring a tax accountant: By the middle of April each year, you know exactly where you stand. Hiring an NBA general manager is more like hiring a financial advisor: He takes control of your entire portfolio, makes decisions for some distant horizon and assures you during the bumpy times that the plan is sound, that time and patience are your friends and, by the way, that past performance is no guarantee of future results.
And every once in a while, a franchise ends up flipping its keys to the basketball equivalent of Bernie Madoff.”
Make sure you read the rest!
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Ken Strickland
May 19th, 2009
10:23 pm
NIREMETAL-you’d better be careful, because you could upset some people like I did by spending too much time speaking the truth about Woodson.
ASTRO JOE-check the record. We didn’t go on any prolonged losing streaks after losing either of our 3 starters to injury. Fatigue did more damage to our team than injuries, but that combination really caught up to us during the playoffs.
Unless we can trade up and get a BIG that’s a finished product like Horford was, we need to trade our picks for what we need. Otherwise, we’ll just end up with another couple of rookies getting mistreated and little if any playing time.
With Woodson returning, the best way to improve the team is to resign JChildress, MWilliams and Flip Murray. I doubt if Zaza and Solo will come back and we all know Acie is out of here the first chance he gets. We need to trade for a vet PG that can shoot and play DEF and get a vet BIG.
Sautee
May 19th, 2009
10:26 pm
AJ,
One last thing, and then I’ll be gone for a few days, so if I raise any questions, hold on to them please. I’ve enjoyed the volley.
Whatever happened to good old fashioned “organic growth” as the prime reason for the trend line? Am I mistaken that THAT was YOUR idea of what was happening?
And did you once say that it was “all about the players”, or did I make that up?
Just wondering about your “Damascus road experience” that converted you to a Woodson disciple? What changed your mind?
And, by the way, I’m not expecting anything even CLOSE to perfection from Woodson. That would be unrealistic with any coach, or any other person for that matter.
I WOULD, however like to see him be as good as his word. (We’re gonna run more this year. I need to find more time for Acie. I need to find a way to get some rest for Joe. We need to take the ball inside more.) Yeah, right.
Ed
May 19th, 2009
10:33 pm
As I have said several time before, Woody will be back. This means the Hawks are relegated to finishing middle pack with a first round win being the absolute best we can hope for. Most likely we won’t have home court advantage next year, with the Heat & Bulls bearing down hard, and the Wizards if healthy will make a huge leap forward. I only hope they don’t give him an extension!
Publix
May 19th, 2009
10:38 pm
I would go ahead and re-sign Bibby, take the draft pick and Bibby and trade him to the Clippers for Randolph Morris. That automatically gives us another scorer and a presence down low, plus an extra 10 rebounds
siskel_god
May 19th, 2009
10:38 pm
Any chance the Clippers move Camby now that they have the number 1 pick? I think they only gave up a second round pick last year for him. Defensive guy, blocks shots and rebounds get him and maybe move Marvin for a legitimate point guard, Raymond Felton?
Sekou Smith
May 19th, 2009
10:39 pm
Anyone that suggest trading Al Horford for Zach Randolph, even in jest, will be banned from this board for all eternity.
Jokes aside, the Clippers just got the keys to a brand new future and yet something tells me it won’t work out. They’ve been here time and time again and it never works out.
Let me sleep on that question about what I’d do if I were the Hawks’ GM (I probably wouldn’t have taken the job in the first place knowing what kind of beating I’d take around here). But there are all sorts of things that make sense to a fantasy GM that don’t translate into reality, mostly because there are real-life constraints (budgetary and otherwise) that we tend to ignore ’round these parts.
Publix
May 19th, 2009
10:40 pm
Enter your comments here
Ed
May 19th, 2009
10:42 pm
For all this talk about Sund pulling the strings, the ASG (Michael Gearon) pulls the strings. He can’t fire Woody anymore the Billy could fire him so he plays along to keep his job. This entire organiztion is greatly hindered being under the dark cloud of the buffoons from the ASG.
niremetal
May 19th, 2009
10:43 pm
The Clippers’ will need a swingman on the perimeter. But that being said, the Clippers don’t exactly have a history of making personnel decisions based on need…
My guess is that Camby will be the one they refuse to trade unless the price is REALLY right (read: unless they get an upgrade in return) since his contract expires at the end of the year. That makes him a buyer’s-market player.
Kaman might be most likely to go since he has the most money tied to his contract. Still, I’d be shocked if could land him simply by trading our two expiring contracts (Speedy and Mo). Smoove makes no sense for them – that trade would just create a glut at PF for them without resolving their perimeter thinness and without cutting costs. A sign-and-trade involving Marvin would appeal to them from a personnel standpoint, but it probably wouldn’t cut costs (assuming Marvin gets a 5yr/$8M deal, they would be trading a $35M contract for a $40M one). So it’s tough to see a Kaman trade that makes sense for both teams.
Jordan would be interesting…if Woodson would play him. But he won’t. So that makes no sense for us.
Publix
May 19th, 2009
10:58 pm
“NIRMETAL”, you complain about my proposals not being realistic, come on brother. Why would you let a legit big man go for a Speedy and Mo?????????????????????
Kaman when healthy is a top 10 big man, and they would let him go for Speedy????
What are you drinking tonight? Jack or Vodka?
Astro Joe
May 19th, 2009
11:06 pm
Sautee, I simply don’t think changing the major variables associated with the trend line makes sense. Yes, I believe in organic growth, which is borne from playng time (ironic, huh). My conversion from my Saul days came this season, when I looked up and we were a quality team. I never denied the thorns, I just decided to look beyond them.
My “all about the players” was mostly related to the 4/5 playoff match-up. And I still believe that in a playoff series with fairly evenly matched teams, the difference is more about the energy and execution of the players and less about the scheme or coaching.
Trust me, my defense of Woody is not to say that he is solely responsible for the trend line. I just don’t think that the trend line is inspite of Woody (which seems to be a prevailing thought). I think the marriage works between Woody and his players. (I think I have been fairly consistent over the past month or so in calling to keep the nucleus in tact). So why call for a divorce? It won’t always work, eventually it will fail. But a 47 win season and second round playoff appearance isn’t what I would consider the beginning of the end. It may be the height of the relationship but we won’t know that until the 09-10 season begins. I think the default thought should be to let it ride until the line begins to turn in the wrong direction. Not to assume the worse (and in doing so, assume that the next hire will guarantee greater success). I have no idea how a true NBA fan can assume that a coaching hire guarantees success. Coaches fail in ths league as often as Fox News says something negative about the POTUS.
Lastly, I’m less concerned about Woody’s plan (stay true to his word) and more concerned about the results. If a football coach plans to throw and needs to run, I won’t criticize him for making an adjus… oops, a change (almost used that word that can’t be associated with Woody). If the team won’t defend to create TOs or board to increase fast break opps, then they can’t play uptempo. So why employ a strategy doomed to failure once you’re in the game? Why not make an adjus… doggit, a change? I’m pretty sure that Woody backed away from the uptempo claim after acquiring Bibby and Chill left, when it became apparent the personnal no longer fit that approach.
Hopefully, I answered every point. If not, I trust that you will show me my thorn(s).
As usual, I’ve enjoyed the banter. Safe travels.
niremetal
May 19th, 2009
11:16 pm
Publix,
I made a typo, but regardless I thought it was pretty clear from context that I thought we would NOT be able to land Kaman simply by trading Mo and Speedy. And tonight, I’m drinking Pepto Bismol. Tastes better than vodka and has more of a kick than Jack.
MannyT
May 19th, 2009
11:19 pm
I’m ready for the Clips to draft…Danny Ferry…to run the team…
I gave my Woody concern on the prior blog. I understood that he was not going away once the team got to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I don’t have a problem with that, I just hope his coaching evolves.
Astro, in response to you from this morning…after the NBA started drafting high schoolers, the league did have to take on more responsibility for teaching fundamentals. Before the draft, you will hear potential and upside passed around more than drinking glasses in a bar. In order for that potential to be realized, someone has to show these young guys the basics that they did not get at N. Hale High.
It is not a secret that many fundamental aspects of the game have been traded out of the NBA game and replaced with athleticism. The guys that have strong fundamentals tend to compete better than their athleticism would allow.
They don’t call Tim Duncan the big fundamental beacuse of all his windmill dunks.
niremetal, the thing that I did not remember and would not look up from our back and forth about Marvin next season that applies to Josh now is Base Year Compensation rules. You can research as you like, but the bottom line is that you cannot sign & trade Marvin at contract value unless the Hawks are under the salary cap.
BWAF
Steve
May 19th, 2009
11:22 pm
Lets see – Center Starter Horford – Back up ZaZa – I like it.. Wanted somebody other than ZaZa, but who? PF Josh Smith – Almost my favorite Hawk. Bench ? Hunter? Jones? Morris? Needs improvement
SF Marvin (re-sign him – he’s only 22!) Bench – Moe – good player, but can we please get Childress back?
SG Joe – hope he finishes his career here, and plays less next year. Bench – Flip and West – OK, but not great.
PG – Bibby and Law – In my opinion, our weakest area, due to Bibby’s age and Law’s nothingness.
I think we arguably have the best top to bottom starters in the league, just no superstar. Maybe trade our 1st pick for Jarrett Jack? Do that, get Childress back, re-sign Marvin, Flip, ZaZa and Bibby and I think, barring injury, we have a solid top 4 team next year.
Samuel
May 19th, 2009
11:27 pm
Yall please tell me how Woody and the Hawks underachieved. We finished 4th in the Conference. Sure we got blown out by the best team in the league but come on.
Which one of the top 3 teams should we have beat out in the standings?
Get over it. Woody will be back another season.
Joe, I totally agree. it’s easy to demand perfection from the other guy.
Melvin
May 19th, 2009
11:28 pm
Niremetal,
I dont think the Clips would be interested in Marvin b/c they already have Al Thronton. They would probably be more interested in Speedy and Mo expiring contracts to go along with Camby would give them alot of cap flexibility after next season. If I was Sund I would be on the phone with them to get Kaman right now, that’s if the ASG would allow him to pull the trigger b/c Kaman has a huge contract over the next 3/4 years….
Melvin
May 19th, 2009
11:32 pm
Is Anthony Carter trying to single handly lose this game for the Nuggets or what????
Najeh Davenpoop
May 19th, 2009
11:35 pm
The Hawks DO NOT need a point guard with their first round pick. They already have a talented, young, inexperienced point guard, and don’t need two.
I disagree somewhat with Sekou — even in a weak draft like this one, you can find a guy at #20 who can help you immediately. Maybe the Hawks are not relying on the draft pick to make an immediate impact, but you can still get that impact if you pick the right player. I’ve said it a million times, but if DeJuan Blair is available where the Hawks pick, they would be foolish not to pick him. If there ever was an oomgowaye available in the draft, it’s him.
niremetal, great post at 6:52.
On a somewhat unrelated note… tomorrow is the big day! Welcome back to society, Michael Vick.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 19th, 2009
11:36 pm
Oh yeah, and color me impressed with Carmelo Anthony. Dude has improved a LOT since Billups’ arrival.
Melvin
May 19th, 2009
11:36 pm
I would say it again. Denver has the same blueprint as our frontcourt and they are doing quite well scoring and defending the paint…
niremetal
May 19th, 2009
11:37 pm
MannyT,
You’re missing a crucial part of the BYC rules, my friend. Read #73 and #75 on the Salary Cap FAQ. The short version of the story is that your logic only applies to whether a Marvin trade meets the salary cap rules from the Hawks’ standpoint. For the other team’s standpoint, they must consider Marvin’s actual new salary. That’s why it’s so hard to work out a sign-and-trade when both teams are over the cap:
This is from #75 on the FAQ:
As an example, let’s say Player A plays for Washington. He earned $3 million last season and re-signed as a free agent for $10 million. That makes him a base year player whose BYC value is $5 million (see question number 73). Player B plays for Seattle and also earns $10 million, but is not a base year player. Both Seattle and Washington are over the salary cap.
Now suppose Seattle and Washington want to trade Player A and Player B for each other. Seattle can take back 125% plus $100,000 of Player B’s $10 million salary, or $12.6 million. Player A’s $10 million salary easily fits within that limit. But Washington can only take back as much as 125% plus $100,000 of Player A’s $5 million BYC value, or $6.35 million. Player B’s $10 million salary is too high.
That’s why it’s so damned hard to do a sign-and-trade.
Samuel
May 19th, 2009
11:41 pm
Clyde,
You better get your “Fire Nicky” shirts ready. You guys sheduled some real power houses this year in Fla. International, North Texas and UT Chatt.
Yall gotta come down to Oxford this year. Get ready for a good whoopin.
O'brien
May 19th, 2009
11:44 pm
My main concern about Kaman is he has health issues.
Melvin
May 19th, 2009
11:48 pm
I told yall at 11:32 that Anthony Carter was trying to lose this game. That was a bonehead decision to throw that inbound pass like that…
MannyT
May 20th, 2009
12:07 am
niremetal, so explain to me where I am incorrect. caps below for emphasis.
I said the bottom line is that you cannot sign & trade Marvin AT CONTRACT VALUE unless the Hawks are under the salary cap.
For all the cutting, pasting & inserting of Player A into Team B…
29 of 30 teams were over the cap this season so worse case I think I am 96 2/3% correct regarding the BYC as it applies to Josh. Until we have a new cap and the dust begins to settle on those numbers similar numbers are likely to apply to Marvin if his deal is slow to evolve like Smith’s was.
BWAF
#21=Top50,1stBallot
May 20th, 2009
12:09 am
It will be said again, most likely by me, DO NOT TRADE THE 1ST RD PICK. The key to good teams (or teams trying to make next level push, re: the Hawks) is DEPTH. You dont necessarily get depth by just trying to sign every role player. Courtney Lee, Big Baby (and Powe), Boobie Gibson, Carl Landry, et al are all players that help to fill out the roster for what is needed. With so many free agents we need to have people on their rookie contracts who will contribute. That is where a GM makes his money.
RISE UP
Sekou Smith
May 20th, 2009
12:21 am
How in the world Karl didn’t have Carmelo Anthony throwing that inbounds pass to Billups is beyond me. Never mind that he left Carter and JR Smith on the floor far too long during the fourth quarter. But that last play you have to force the Lakers to guard your two best guys in that two-man game off the inbounds pass and take your chances there. Instead, you let Phil Jackson stick 6-11 Lamar Odom on 6-1 Anthony Carter and wonder how it all went sideways. Unreal. All those missed free throws and all the other fumbled away possessions will keep the Denver traveling party up all night after this one.
niremetal
May 20th, 2009
12:31 am
You’re right. I guess I thought you were saying that a sign-and-trade with Marvin would be easy to accomplish. You obviously recognize it is very hard unless the other team is under the cap (in which case a deal would be ok if we got a player with a salary less than $6.8M – Marvin’s current salary + 125% + $100).
niremetal
May 20th, 2009
12:32 am
*$100k
MannyT
May 20th, 2009
12:40 am
Sekou, I am glad that the game was close and entertaining. As for what was on George Karl’s mind, I think I heard him say something during his interview about Carter could have taken a time out. I thought the announcers kept saying that Denver had no time outs left.
Either the TV guys were wrong or the other coach K just struggles with those details that matter at the end of a close game…hmmm
a KFC moment–Karl Frustrated–Clearly
MannyT
May 20th, 2009
12:42 am
niremetal, I think we agree that sign & trade is rarely easy and almost never a balanced deal in terms of talent.
RLP
May 20th, 2009
12:52 am
Reflections on this season – at this point I don’t want to comment on where the Hawks stand based on their performance. The reason to delay is simple – We need to see how Cleveland does for the rest of the playoffs. If they run the floor then the Hawks performance against them will not look nearly as bad as it does now. But if the Cavs struggle then the Hawks and Sund may need more drastic action. Let’s wait and see how the playoffs wind down.
v8dreaming
May 20th, 2009
1:04 am
package j.smith and the number one pick and trade it to memphis for gasol.
put horford in smith’s spot and resign bibby for two years.
Big Ray
May 20th, 2009
1:05 am
“What they’ve got to do is find a player at 19 that makes the coaching staff play him every night,” that wise Eastern Conference exec told me.
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Najeh Davenpoop
May 20th, 2009
1:23 am
“All those missed free throws and all the other fumbled away possessions will keep the Denver traveling party up all night after this one.”
And despite all that, the supposedly superior Lakers could barely pull out a win on their own home floor.
I think the Nuggets take this in 6, and even if they don’t, whoever wins this series is getting their asses kicked by the Cavs.
BosnianBaller
May 20th, 2009
1:35 am
The Hawks have to trade this pick.Not b/c there will be a bad player you just never know.But b/c Sund sucks horribly at drafting players.Such as Sener Sene,Nick Collison,Robert Swift,and about 3 others.
Clyde
May 20th, 2009
1:39 am
Samuel put your money where your mouth is Mr. Woody=Coach of The Year. The Tide Will Rise Again.
Fire Woody
Big Ray
May 20th, 2009
1:41 am
What’s with all the noise about Woody? Why yap about him “coming back?” He’s not “coming back.” He’s “staying here.” Dude is under contract for two years. That means unless fired (which wasn’t going to happen after having his best season yet), he gets to keep his job. Simple. Easy. Why the noise?
Look, the guy and his team got better year after year. Nobody fires the coaches that get better (unless it’s a personal matter of some type). They DO fire the coaches that can’t maintain, or can’t continue to get better. Unless of course, you work for the Clippers…
For those who praise Woody unconditionally (or near it), this is his first winning season. May he have many more. I don’t think there will be a rush to extend him, though. And I don’t say that to bash the man. It makes as much sense to me to wait and see if a guy can maintain a winning environment (and get better, if at all possible), as it does to retain a guy who has shown that he is part of a product that has gotten better each year.
But again, this is somewhat dependant on what said coach is given to work with. If Sund lets the talent level of this time slip, the performance is likely to slip as well. However, better chemistry, cohesion, and proper/maximum use of resources can overcome small losses in talent. Small losses, though. Usually not large ones. Really, a better way to say it is that a better fit, with only a small drop in individual talent will often lead to team improvement. It can be done. We get to see if Sund can do this, and if Woody can follow his lead…if he leads well.
Big Ray
May 20th, 2009
1:43 am
“package j.smith and the number one pick and trade it to memphis for gasol.”
Ding….
That’s not even CLOSE to equal. NO way, no how. Where’s Belkin? He’d veto that trade in a heartbeat…
Big Ray
May 20th, 2009
1:53 am
Posted by MannyT:
Astro, in response to you from this morning…after the NBA started drafting high schoolers, the league did have to take on more responsibility for teaching fundamentals. Before the draft, you will hear potential and upside passed around more than drinking glasses in a bar. In order for that potential to be realized, someone has to show these young guys the basics that they did not get at N. Hale High.
All too true. Nothing like learning how to dribble, shoot, and pass at the highest level of basketball competition. It’s just not the place to learn.
Big Ray
May 20th, 2009
1:56 am
YOu can say the Lakers escaped the Nuggets in game one. Maybe they did. A win is a win, right? I’ll bet they like being 1-0 having “barely won” than the Nuggets like being 0-1, having “barely lost.”
And I don’t see either team getting trashed by the Cavs. Both teams have guys who will step up and perform. Could Delonte West take Kobe off his game like he did Joe Johnson? How about Carmelo? Uh-uh…
Publix
May 20th, 2009
4:01 am
J. Smith and a draft pick for Gasol?? At that point I would go for Stoudamire. They need youth with all the old folks they got.
I can even see J. Smith and the draft pick for David Lee and Eddie Curry.
We are a PG and a C away from being a top 6 team in the league. This town needs a championship contender, Sund is the one who can make that happen.
dap01
May 20th, 2009
8:22 am
Sund: Don’t settle for average. Don’t simply get the vet that will make Woody happy. Woody is playing for a contract, he don’t care about the long term growth of the team.
Get the team a NBA starting center. Get the team a point guard, Bibby is a shooter, not a pg. Get one more scorer for the bench (Jarvis Hayes).
We are years into a total rebuilding and either we will come out of it average or very good. Right now we are headed toward average.
smartguy
May 20th, 2009
8:38 am
Woody’s back! YES YES YES! He will be coach of the year next year, JJ will be MVP, and Solomon Jones will be defensive player of the year.
Hawks ain’t gonna do crap this summer. My bet is that they will enter next year weaker than they were this year.
FIRE THE ASG!
smartguy
May 20th, 2009
8:48 am
Getting Marc Gasol seems like a great possibility now. They will most likely take Thabeet, which would make Gasol available.
doc
May 20th, 2009
9:17 am
WINNING, WHAT WINNING, I AM NOT HERE TO SPEAK OF WINNING!
i am here to speak of only what I want for the hawks. heh heh
as for potential:
“People underestimate their capacity for change. There is never a right time to do a difficult thing. A leader’s job is to help people have vision of their potential.”
- John Porter
Hoops
May 20th, 2009
9:34 am
Mannt T & niremental,
So how do the Hawks get under the cap so they can do a sign & trade that will give them full benefit of the contract traded? Do they have to wait until after July 1 when this years’ contracts expire to get under the cap?
Hoops
May 20th, 2009
9:55 am
smartguy,
I’ll agree. Who do we trade for M Gasol? Marvin?
Fred Toucher
May 20th, 2009
10:13 am
Sekou,
Can you let me know what you think of this trade? Josh Smith and a sign and traded Mike Bibby with Memphis for the #2 overall. Grab Ricky Rubio PG from Spain with this pick.
I MUS.WRITE
May 20th, 2009
10:28 am
Coach Woodson is coming back huh? What does that maen for the fan base?………………
1. Terrible offensive execution
2. Iso Joe
3. Josh firing away from deep.
4. Excuse after excuse ” We just were’nt prepared tonight”
I knew Woody would be back- we just wont spend money on a top notch coach.Sund should hire an offensive mind like Hubie Brown to run the offense.I cant take another season of one on one play or the continuous firing away from our PG/SG Bombs over Baghdad….Jeezuz
Alot of decisions to be made over the sunmmer-heres what id like to see happen…………Bring Bibby back at 7 mill, Resign Flip for 3 yr/14 mill, Bring Chillz home we need the fro, S&T Marvin – I would be looking get Rudy Gay and Yung Gasol with a combination of Marvin, AC, ZAZA, Solo,MO, Speedy’s expirig…… Draft the best PG at #19 maybe Patty Mills or Eric Maynor will be available.
Rudy gay is the guy I want…. Jumper like JJ, High Flyer like Josh, overall playmaker like Flip, creates his own shot and has a Good B ball IQ…. Gasol is a bruiser who is More physical that ZAZA and he actually has post moves, If not gasol get Pryzbilla to clog up the middle.
Publix no way we give up josh for Gasol…the goal is to keep our best players and add to that. sumone mentioned david Lee -I would love to have him as well -good yung player
If my wish list came to life we could look like this:
PG- Bibby/Flip/Drafted Pg
SG- JJ/ Mo Evans….is not a 3 -he got abused in the playoffs
SF- Rudy Gay/Chillz
PF- Josh Smith/? Free agent… Carl landry or Drew Gooden
C – Horford-Gasol…. Let them slug it out in camp for the starting spot