Do they have anything left?

CLEVELAND FANS I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD MEET KOBE AND THE LAKERS IN THE FINALS,BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE,A-TOWN`S OWN DWIGHT AND THE MAJIC LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO OVER TAKE LEBRON THIS YEAR?
ENJOY LEBRON FOR ONE MORE YEAR BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO NEW YORK AFTER THAT,SO GET YOUR LAUGHS IN NOW!

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I love the Hawks, and even i didn’t think they would win this series, I’m ok with that, its just the effort that is soooo embarassing, hopefully they will come out and show some heart tonight, thats really all i ask for, its the playoffs, yes we are down with injuries, but man up and show you aren’t afraid of these guys, win or lose

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Time for serious introspection into our lack of motivation. It starts with coaching.
Coach Woodson has a lot of postives and fewer negatives IMO.
HOWEVER!!!
My biggest gripe with Woody is his deficiency of developing his bench which goes hand in hand with his knack for over-working his starters. Burnout and injuries are inevitable with his selfish insistence on running his top 7 players into the ground ( I feel its selfish b/c he is putting his job security first at the expense of playing and developing his youngsters and underplayed role-players.) Now – that injuries have caught up with us, the 2nd unit are thrown up the creek without a paddle. I love the hunger they display – but that obviously cannot be coached or else the 1st unit would display that same characteristic that’s rarely displayed when they play on the road – Mike Vick said it best when he said “sometimes you have to overcome coaching.”

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“Them boys gettin’ swept or what man?” Was that english?

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Wtf? I made a 5 part post and it doesn’t show up…Wtf is wrong with this place? You post stuff then 5 minutes later it doesn’t even appear.

Another thing that pisses me off is how coaches like Phil Jackson (he’s the best at this) will publicly challenge players to do better.

Woodson, on the other hand, will come up with every excuse possible for everyone besides Smoove, reasons why they didn’t do well. PUT MY PREVIOUS POST BACK UP.,

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Hey EAST ATLANTA HAWKS FAN 1971, sounds like sour grapes to me.

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Yeah Hawks Fan in New Orleans you’re right, but there isnt a MIKE VICK on this Hawks team. Lol. They’re done. Time to go fishing. I only wish we didnt have to watch two more blowouts.

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I love my Hawks…but the Hawks are done! but they’ve improved EVERY YEAR since the 13 – 69 season…so my hopes are high for next year. I’ll still be pulling hard and hoping for the best tonight…but that will probably end by halftime.

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Ive seen more talent from the A Town dancers…Time for the Cavs to declaw, tar and feather them there hawks,lol game over….so now YOU know!

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I just want one… Hopefully these guys can step up without Joe tonight. I would like to see a double double from Josh and Bibby hitting shots all night and we have a good shot. See yall after the game, headed out now… section 111… ya gotta be loud.

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Woodson is such a idiot for playing the starters (especially Joe!) while down 32 in the 2nd half last game. Also giving Horford starters minutes the first game was a equally dumb mistake.
If we loose this game, its 100% on Woodson because he put his star player on the court to possibly get hurt in a blowout game.

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Lebron James has 6 fouls in 6 play-off games.

So, does he play defense, or not?

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I saw some of the last blowout. He trained over Josh smith once, Smith slightly moving backwards, outside the restricted area, and Lebron going 100mph… and yes, blocking foul.

Another time he blocked Smith… and also fouled him from behind. No call, Smith complains and gets a tech.

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Brandon Bass is a monster…

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Dallas got robbed tonight big time

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Dawg and New Orleans fan are absolutely on point. Get Woodson outta here.

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This is why Woody recieves so much flack….. MAKE A FRICKIN ADJUSTMENT DOUBLE LEBRON!!!!!!!!

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Get Mo Evans out of the game….

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LETS GO HAWKS. QUIT TAKIN THEM DAM JUMP SHOTS AND DRIVE THE HOLE!1

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Nice jumper by JJ…………looks like he wants to carry the hawks tonight!!!

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WOW.. THEY ARE REALLY PRESSURING THE BALL…

ACIE LAW PLEASE…!!!! HE WILL DESTROY THAT PRESS…!!!

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WHY DO THEY KEEP LETTIN LEBRON MAKE THEM SHOTS AT THA END OF THA QUARTERS…. COME ON NOW!!!!!!

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THE HAWKS NEED TO TAKE A LEAD IN THIS GAME.. 2 POINTS EVEN.. THATS A CONFIDENCE BUILDER…

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GOOD BASKETBALL… LETS GO!!! LETS GO… RUN THEY A$$ PUT LAW IN THERE FOR BIBBY ON SUBS…

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Lets Go HAWKS…..

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Wow,

We start pushing the ball and look what happens. Wish Woodson would have looked at the blog before game 1.

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Woody will have to steal some mins to rest Joe and Bibby…

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I LOVE THE WAY ZA ZA FORCES THE BALL HANDLER OUTSIDE BY GETTING THERE EARLY THUS FORCING THE EXTRA PASS AND BALL ROTATION

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Another 2 minute and a couple of Hawks baskets and the refs will take over the game again!

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give joe a rest

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why are they beating us to every loose ball??

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Can we get an AND 1 for Joe…

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WAY TO ATTACK THE PICK AND ROLL HARD DOUBLE TEAMS MAKE THEM ROTATE THE BALL AND SHOOT JUMPSHOTS.. WHICH CREATE LONG REBOUNDS WHICH CREATES FASTBREAK OPPOURTUNITIES……… NOW MORE PICK AND ROLLS ON OFFENSE

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ditto on the and one. I think the hawks organization needs to make a video comparing his fouls to all the other top players in the league and make it public that they did so

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oh … and now they can dance the foxtrot as well I guess? The Cav’s I mean, of course

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Can we get a AND 1 for Josh….

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So they can hit Smith down so the ref’s can call a travel???? told you a couple of lines ago the ref’s would take over!!!

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Woody, I just dont get you. You play Mario West of Acie…

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the ref are killing us……… bs is your girls playing soft .

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You know what the scary thing is. The whole world has embraced this guy as the king somebody we are supposed to be witness too. And I think he finally believes and embraces he thinks he is a king and everyone is here to watch him in his greatness

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F*** LJ

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Real Squawk, Ditto. And his confidence is thru the roof…

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WoW, Yao out for the Playoffs.

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we should make lebron bleed a bit. hit him hard, get Solo and Otello some light and get them to hit him. Anything beyond flagrant 1 should be avoided, but a good hit next time he drives to the basket would slow him down a bit.

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C’mon Magic…

why wouldnt they boo that character… we dont embrace that hoopla, look at me type shyt down here..!!!

that sucka gets no love.. we’ll let yall go crazy for him.. until he dons a ATL uni… F-him…!!!

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is that a joke. le brown

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man, jon barry is such a jerk! Dallas was burned by yet another shameful showing of bad officiating… still a consequence of Cuban being too vocal calling all the sh*t that happens bit its name: absolutely SH*T refereeing!

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You know i thought the same thing about roughing him up a bit, but the Wizards tried that and it didn’t really work, but i think it is necessary. Especially how he prances around in our building like its cleveland he needs to feel uncomfortable he needs to respect this building.

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it just dawned on me…why the HAWKS are bad 1st and 3rd qtr teams!!! they just left the locker-room after listenin’ to WOODSON!! to para-phrase, from the huddle, “good defense. shame we didn’t have any offense”. lord have mercy and heaven forbid they look to you for any!! really hate the cat as a HC!!! if this team had a ‘real, inspirational’ leader they’d really have a decent chance to compete…even on the road. spiritual theme to this post for some reason!!?? guess i’m in prayer!!!LOL

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Did anyone look at the stats??? Cleveland has “already” 6 fouls committed in the 1st half!!! THAT MUST BE A RECORD!!! They really should get the nomination for World’s Best Fair Play Team!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here we go again. No emotion coming out of the lockerroom..

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IF YOU LEAVE MO EVANS ON JAMES HE WILL KILL U… JOE HAS TO PLAY JAMES THE ENTIRE GAME… EVANS IS NOT LONG, STRONG, OR QUICK ENOUGH TO GUARD HIM.. MO CANT GUARD SHYT… WHY IS HE OUT THERE… WHY ISNT MARVIN STARTING THE HALF ANYWAY…

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so now i think we should make him to go the basket and knock him on his @#! each time

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no attitude…

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WAS THAT NOT A JUMP BALL OR TRAVEL…? WTF…?

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now that you mention it

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LOOKEN WEAK AGAIN … DAM THESE JUMPSHOTS

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Mac tony – didn’t you know the King’s bunch gets double counts?

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now Flip didn’t get an AND 1

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DARE I SAY THIS HAS A BOSTON FEEL TO IT…?

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That foul was Offensive LEBRON JAMES….

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wow a foul on LJ

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I seen that too bigdave

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oh – New Rules!!! let yourself falll into someones feet and you get a foul – if you are a Cav’s clown

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HE LOWERED THE SHOULDER.. SHYT…?

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Look out folks. The Hawks have gotten uppity, so the refs will rediscover their whistles now.

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don’t cry move to cleveland problem solved.

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ejection really? he must have said i am going to make sure le braun does not get back up

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your head coach is so ugly .

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this is a f*cking charade!

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DAM LOSING ZAZA WAS BIG

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Uh oh, a fly just landed on LeBron – *whistle*

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joe want let lb punk him

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I have seen Lebron yell more than that at an official and not get thrown out. I mean geez…

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I fantasize about Lebron excreting his body fluids all over me. Yummy!

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MELVIN I DIDNT EVEN WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT BONEHEAD PLAY.. THATS JUST SOMETHING I COME TO EXPECT AT THE END OF THE QRT. WITH FLIP…

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The NBA and the NBA refs have no credibility left with me. This is becoming no more than pro wrestling.

LB runs over Joe by lowering his shoulder.

Woody could ONCE take up for his players. Once!

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I have seen Lebron yell more than that at an official and not get thrown out. I mean geez…
don’t get mad he owns the nba and your sorry wnba team.

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Get to here Woody complain about the calls… Wish he had made those statements before the game started….

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PLAY SMART J… DAMN… PLAY SMART…

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I like when our fans urge Josh to shoot a long jumper. That’s exactly what we need from him.

Morons.

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Good one AL!!!!!

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WHY ARE OUR BIGS TAKING JUMPERS…!!!??!?!?

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Comeon with these touch fouls for Lebron…

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Why are we afraid to drive to the basket?

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I hope to GOD Lebron would land on his head and crack his skull all over the court.

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You know, if Al had fouled LeBron like that instead of Varejao, it would have been a flagrant foul.

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He misses more Jams than he makes.

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Lebron 11 free throws, Hawks 10.

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Harry Hawk i am not there, but i always thought they were telling him not to shoot the long jumper.

How it is nice to hear MArvin from the announcer

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e brown james THE KING OF ATLANTA : can you please leave this blog?? you are polluting this great city.
nope.

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Woody at what point will you double Lebron. At least try when Moe is on the bench….

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I guess it’s safe to say that LeBron is killing us.

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Woody told the team to drive to the basket during the timeout and Bibby comesout and take a jumper…

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JUMP SHOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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STOP SHOOTING THE BALL OUT THERE, JOSH!

PLEASE!

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mike woodson is plum, dumb….. no defensive adjustments …. half court offense is a joke

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Yep Sekou, looks like nothing is left in the tank for the Hawks…

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Over/Under Hawks points in the 4th…… 4.5

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what can you do when you tell your guys to drive to the basket and they end up launching jump shots?

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we just continue to let lebron turn the corner on the pick and roll….. TRAP HIS AZZ…..OFFENSE PLEASE RUN A PICK AND ROLL SOMEWHERE…. EVERYONE COMPLAINS ABOUT JOSH SHOOTING JUMPERS BUT WE DONT RUN ANY PLAYS SO JOSH IS ALWAYS AT THE 3PT LINE

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Unwatchable!!!!!

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Anyone remembering my first post on this blog? The refs will take over I said. Didn’t they? They even made sure Zaza won’t be able to play next game! LBJ could get hurt! And can anyone please put his.hers hands on those thoughts of of those commentators? Their seat must by VERY wet by know!

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This is Lebron when he hasnt been pushed and shoved and beaten on all night. If you would like to see how it would look if he was just look at Joe Johnson

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Josh Smith is killing us. We will never be any better until we get rid of him. He is a me first player, and holds the team hostage to his own desire to shoot long jumpers from just inside the 3 point line, even though he’s a below average shooter.

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Josh Smith isn’t the reason the Hawks are getting beat to sleep. The Cavs are just a much better team. They have been all year. The Hawks are as inconsistent as hell.

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emotion from joe?

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PULL UP JOE..

WHY WOULDNT WOODY BRING THE TRAP… SHYT.. HELP YA MAN OUT COACH

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So delonte makes Joe angry and now delonte realizes i am not a match. i am pretty sure lebron just said i sign your paychecks so make my call.

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The Hawks have actually taken more shots in the paint than the Cavs, but the Cavs have 150% more free throws. Yeah, the refs are really calling this evenly.

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My goosh. it has to be fustrating to defend Lebron. You can’t even look at him hard. I would like to see the refs draw up a defensive play against him. The guy continously drop his should and barrel his way thru the lane like Jim Brown and the refs give him the call…

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I’ve never actually rooted against a city before but screw Cleveland! lol

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it’s only someone could take when you’re been cheated like a bitch

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CAN WE BRING IN A GUARD WHO CAN FORCE TEMPO?

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Lebron 16 free throws, Hawks 11.

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i do want the hawks to play with more heart but it sure is hard when you aren’t getting foul calls and they are its just hard.
its like trying to be the top student when you know your closest competitor is getting the answer sheet from the teachers

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You can tell that Bibby wants to kill him. He thinks he’s Dominique, and he might be able to dunk like Dominique, but he’s no Dominique. TRADE HIM!!!!!! He’s the Nuke LaLoosh of basketball. Million Dollar body, ten cent head.

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WE NEED A NEW COACH PLAIN AND SIMPLE….. NO DEFENSIVE ADJUSTMENTS

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I’m not going to blame js for this lose, he did help but he is no the blame for this lose

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LeBron is great, but we should be able to play with these guys. The rest of our team is so much more talented than them.

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Geez – you guys have been complaining about all the outside shots – then you complain the cavs/lbj has more free throws. explain THAT to me. well, nevermind. i won’t see the answer… you guys are frustrating… maybe 10% of the posts here are basketball/game related. The rest just complain.

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Don’t blame the coach or the team – they played a good game, but who can beat the refs when they are against you??? What can a coach do against that??? In my opinion, the GM and the representative in the NBA of the Hawks should be fired to allow this kind of disgusting performance by the referees!

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I can almost understand the Hawks losing their motivation in the 4th of this one. There was no way to guard LeBron because any contact and the refs called a foul. What the hell do you do then? Dare the refs to foul you out? Because we already saw them eject Zaza even though he never made any contact with another player or an official, so clearly they have no gumption about booting Hawks from the game.

The Hawks outscored the Cavs in the paint, but the Cavs got to shoot almost three times the number of free throws the Hawks got to shoot. LeBron alone got to shoot almost 1.5 times as many as the whole Hawks team. So you can’t just say “The Hawks settled too much” as the reason for the disparity. I saw 4 plays where JJ (who by the way showed a HELL of a lot of heart playing like he did after turning his ankle less than 48 hours ago) got to the rim, got contact, but didn’t get a whistle.

I try not to be too much of a cynic about the NBA, but this game was absurd. And the sight of the players just so blatantly ignoring Woodson – taking jump shots seemingly for the sole purpose of spiting him – was almost chilling.

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Big ray,
Your right but let’s face it, Josh smith is not maturing. How long are we going to say he is a young player? till he is 30? He plays like a high schooler with no discipline. And as a Bobby Night guy, it hates me to knoock on woddson but the road losses are embarrasing and now even the home losses.

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I REFUSE TO JUST BLAME THIS LOSS OF REFS BUT,

ITS A SHAME THAT THE LEAGUE IS HURTING SO BAD WHERE THEY HAVE TO CREATE SUPERSTARS WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO EARN SHYT… BS… IVE SEEN THE OFFICIATING GET WORSE AND WORSE.. ALL YEAR..

IS THE SPORT THIS BAD WHERE THEY HAVE TO CREATE DREAM MATCHUPS.. GIVE FAVORABLE TREATMENT TO CERTAIN PLAYERS AND TEAMS…UNBELIEVABLE..

I SEE WHY FOOTBALL IS NOW AMERICAS PASTIME.. THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN SPORTS.. PARITY…

TOO MUCH CHEATING IN BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL…

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Baseball you performance inhancing drugs and basketball you performance inhancing refs. Im so tires of these sports that the ref always decides who wins!

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Our guys aren’t that young. They’re just not a top-drawer NBA team.

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Worse officials ever. How about we just screw the playoffs and let Lebron and Kobe play the finals.

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THE CAVS ARE NOT ONLY THE BETTER TEAM BUT THEY HAVE THE BEST PLAYER AND THE ONLY ALPHA MALE ON THE COURT TONITE LEBRON JAMES. HE WOULD NOT LET HIS TEAM LOOSE. LOVE THE HAWKS BUT JOE JOHNSON IS TOO SOFT THE HAWKS ARE SOFT. ZAZA IS NOT BUT HE IS DUMB TO THROW TANTRUMS AND GET EJECTED AND HE KNOWS HORFORD HAS A BAD ANKLE. AS FOR JOSH I LIKE JOSH HE HAS THE FIRE TO AN ALPHA MALE HE JUST HAS TO MATURE AND WORK ON HIS INSIDE GAME , SHOOT 500 SHOTS A DAY IN THE SUMMER SO WHEN THEY LEAVE HIM WIDE OPEN HE CAN KNOCK DOWN HIS JUMPERS. MIKE BIBBY IS OLD HE CANT GUARD WORTH A DARN!!! HE WILL WANT TOO MUCH MONEY SO HE IS GONE SINCE HIS DEAL IS UP. GIVE ACIE LAW THE TEAM TO RUN . WE HAVE A GOOD YOUNG TEAM THE LEADER CANT BE JJ AND THE COACH CANT BE MIKE WOODSON !!!BRING OUT THE BROOMS!!!!

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We have no one to match up with Ilgauskas or LeBron. No amount of coaching is going to make up for that. We have to get bigger and better on the frontline.

Hubie made the point more than once, that the Hawks lost their composure. They simply had no answer for a bigger, deeper, more talented team. And yes, possibly, a better coached team as well.

There is still season remaining, so the season autopsies are a bit premature, if not understandable.

Go Hawks!!

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Just prove to me these refs are not gambling on these games! They forced the miami series to 7 games and yes they had hook us up with calls to cover spreads against miami vice versa! Im done F****EM

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Josh Smith has the brains of a termite and Woody is dumber than a box of rocks for leaving him on the court.

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far as i’m concerned, WOODSON has been on the autopsy table for 2yrs!!

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AND FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY PSYCHOLOGIST AND DETERMINE WHO’S SOFT WHO’S NOT.. THATS HILARIOUS… IF JOE DIDNT ANSWER SOME OF YALL TODAY THEN YALL JUST LOOKING FOR SOME GIMMICK TYPE OF PERSONALITY TO COME BEAT HIS CHEST, THROW UP PIXY DUST, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT… THAT SHYT IS FOR THE KIDS.. DOES NOTHING FOR ME… THAT DOESNT MEAN SOMEONE HAS HEART CAUSE THEY BEAT THERE MEAT IN PUBLIC, THATS JUST THE TYPE OF PERSONALITY THEY HAVE.. OLE’ LOOK AT ME TYPE…

THE HAWKS NEED SOMEONE WHO BY DESIGN WILL GIVE HIS BEST PLAYERS MORE THAN 1 LOOK IN A QRT. WHO CAN SCHEME ON THE FLY… WHO PUTS THERE PLAYERS IN POSITIONS TO PLAY TO THERE STRENGTHS… U CANT JUST TELL A GROUP “WE’RE TAKING TOO MANY JUMP SHOTS, BUT HIT EM IF YOU’RE OPEN”.. WHAT ARE WE DOING SCHEME WISE TO ATTACK, TO TAKE US AWAY FROM THE PERIMETER…?

NOTHING.

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bigdave, i agree but leaders HAVE TO show up EVERY game!!! i hope most of you cats got to see BILLUPS interview after their win. leaders go out on a mission…PERIOD!!!! i’m a JOE fan but he has to learn to be the man EVERY game, whether his game is on or not!! know what i’m sayin’…

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Big Ray,
You mean BK was at the game. I thought he was banned from ever entering Phillips Arean let alone the city of Atlanta. Hope Sund is not getting any upcoming draft advice, please forbid we get another forward. But it does kinda make you wonder. Maybe he is showing him why he wanted to fire Woodson a long time ago. Now its on full display for the whole world to see.

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My post did not show up smh… Once again Woodpecker could not make adjustments…Bibby was getting torched on defense but instead of giving Law some minutes he continued to watch Bibby get burned on the defensive end…..Woodpecker has lost this team. Guys came out of one timeout and did the exact opposite of what he said to do……Evans is terrible…. Im on the Marvin for Gay bandwagon but I doubt Memphis gives up on Gay…..This team should not be blown up but some guys should probably be moved in the summer.

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Mike Tirico said no team in the NBA has come back from 3-0 deficit in the playoffs and that’s wrong. Denver Nuggets with Dikembe vs Seattle Supersonics, down 3-0, came back and won the series. These guys are concentrating so much to d*.k ride Lebron, they don’t have their information right.

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Basically what we have is a second round playoff type team. No defense in the back court. A team built around big power forwards who don’t have range. If you resign Bibby…..and keep Joe and Marvin…..THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SGIN A BIG THAT REQUIRES A DOUBLE TEAM N THE PAINT WHICH AT THE PRESENT MOMENT THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

This team is waht it is built for. Nothing More Nothing Less. The Hawks are a good team. The cavs are a Great team. Bottom Line….with the best player on the planet running the show.

Mike Bibby’s Defense has been FAR exposed in this series. They should put a tent around Bibby’s Defense and Josh Snith’s jump shots because it’s a circus in action to watch. I’m not downing my team.I love the Hawks. It’s just been tough to watch.

Here’s to our HAWKS having some pride and showing up in Game 4 and fighting.

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RodSamRod,

That was a 5-game series, buddy.

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Here is a simple approach to gane 4 !! The first time that sonofab1tch LBJ goes to the hole KNOCK THE LIVIN SHYT OUTTA THAT B@STARD!!!!!

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Or take out his knee euither way I don’t give a damn just end his career!!! Next up The Rapist Kobe maybe someone will castrate his @ss on the hardwood!!!

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Josh Smith:18 5 (3/2) 2 8-18 2-4 0-1( 3 point goals) 0 2 3 2 37 minutes

For all of the empirically challenged,here are the facts.Second leading scorer;tied for first in rebounding(and he is 6′8 3/4′, 230 lbs) and second in assists behind the $15 million point guard that Avery Johnson said had to have 30 points tonight for the Hawks to win.Guess that didn’t happen.Coach Johnson also said that the Hawks had to stop switching and leaving their centers on LaBron on the outside. Guess that didn’t happen either.

Folks it’s the NBA where whoever sells the most jerseys gets the calls. Period. The Dallas Denver game clearly showed that the League is all about the benjimans. With half of the teams losing money and payrolls rising, their only recourse is to hype TV revenues: Kobe vs. LaBron on prime time.

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Last year was exciting we expected to get swept and we took Boston to 7 Awesome! This year we ‘ve met our goals and not really expect to get past Cleveland and for sure will not with Refs help!
NEXT YEAR man we just need an inforcer someone tougher someone that people are afraid face it people are not scared of Zaza great back up center High intensity Smoooove I dont know Hell what r we gonna do when Bibbys gone know im just so frustrated now.
well at least we still have Steve Holman!

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Niremetal, good call. Denver did come back the next series against Utah after being down 3-0 and take it to 7 before losing.

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BLAME THE REFS…MAN..REF OR KNOW REFS…HAWKS NOT STRONG ENOUGH..YOU WAS LUCKY TO GET PASS D-WADE…LOL

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Hey CLeveland the ref already had Atlanta in 7 ask Vegas!

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man u cant blame everyting on the refs come on guys refs dont call when u dont b aggressive drive the ball stop shooting jumpers

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Would Woody ever win a game coaching an AAU team?

Probably not, AAU coaches make adjustments.

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We right where wanted to get this year did what we set out to do and now 2nd round they dont let us play come on what r the majic words to getting thrown out the game! getting beat in the 2nd round is fine but let us play.

HOW YOUR BOSTon team doing oh not a Celtics fan no more

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As a lifetime Clevelander who’s never experienced a championship in ANY major sport, I feel for you guys in this series. But seriously, most of you need to stop posting, take a breath, and think rationally. As die-hard fans, it’s in our nature to see things the way we want to see them. If our team is losing, it must be the refs. It certainly can’t be that our team is just not as good as the opposition. Sometimes it just IS that simple. It was that simple with the Cavs when they faced San Antonio in 2007, and when they faced Jordan and the Bulls in the 90’s. And it’s just that simple now, regarding the Hawks.

Really look at this logically for a second. If all of you “Regular Joes” (i.e. not NBA officials or executives or analysts, or press) see nothing but corrupt refs, and NOBODY else sees any of that, who do you think is being blind to what’s going on? Do you really think that the rest of the nation and all of the NBA and press is blind and only Atlanta fans can see a ref conspiracy? Why is it that NONE of your own sports journalists, or ANY sports journalists for that matter, have written any articles about referee bias?

The fact is, this Cavs team IS that good, and LeBron is that good. This team took Boston to 7 games last year and followed that up by finishing 66-16 this year, a full 19 games ahead of Atlanta. Atlanta has acted and played overmatched for much of this series, and it’s shown in the box score. Hopefully an off-season of soul-searching will allow the Hawks to shed unfocused players and acquire others who can help improve the team for next year. Until then, just enjoy where you’ve gotten to this point.

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“You just never know what Hawks team is going to show up,” Johnson said. “We’ll see Monday night.”

i hope JJ is takin’ some ownership too??!!??

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Magdalena – Most concerned …..i’m so sorry

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To Nick from Cleveland:
Finally a decent post from a Cav’s fan! I get your point and I agree to the point that if one’s team is loosing, the blame is easily thrown onto the refs. Is LBJ a good player? Yes, he is good, but not nearly as good as the whole hype around him. You seem to be pretty reasonable. So let me ask you just these couple of questions:

Game 2 – first quarter: LBJ charges into Josh Smith. Refs call a second foul on Josh instead an offensive on LBJ. Do you agree? (hey even the commentators on ESPN thought it was a bad call!)

Game 2 – first quarter: Comment from the ESPN commentators (who can’t hide their appreciation for LBJ): the Hawks have 5 fouls, the Cavs have none yet “whistled” against them! (That was after about 8 or 9 minutes in the game) Do you really, in all honesty, can say you hadn’t seen a foul committed yet by your favorite Cavs? Just the phrase “none yet whistled against them yet” explains it all!

Today’s game: how many times can the Cavaliers commit travels (some of them thought they were competing in “Dancing with the Stars” if you ask my opinion, or should we call it “Dancing with the King”?)

Today’s game: how many times can LBJ commit offensive fouls and be awarded with free throws?

Today’s game: how many times can a team try to commit a foul on LBJ, before they are in foul trouble and before he makes an attempt to shoot the ball, while he still can shoot the free throws?
(only 4 times per quarter, I know, but he got awarded at least 8 free throws where he wasn’t even trying to shoot the ball! And he was still complaining (ordering?) he should get 3 instead of 2!

Today’s game: what the heck did Zaza do wrong to get a double T? Your King LBJ charged him, a clear offensive foul! Zaza gets the foul against him! Can you blame him to react the way he did? And what did he do different then what your Cavaliers do all the time? He questioned the ref’s call. Yes he slammed his hand to the flour. Wouldn’t you in a similar situation? OH, sorry, I forgot, it was LBJ slamming into an obstacle that should have backed away because he was passing through! Silly me! I forgot the rules are different for Kings vs. pleb. And I thought we were living in a republic! Silly, silly me! And stupid Zaza, of course – but don’t blame him, he is from Georgia (the Republic of …), somewhere in Europe, so what does he know, right?

The whole series Cavs – Hawks so far: King LBJ committed the astonishing number of 3 fouls in 12 quarters so far. Whaw!! What a player! What a superstar!! What a “clean” offensive AND defensive player!! Do you honestly believe that? Or is he the big favorite of Mr Stern and his puppets on a string?

Looking forward for your answers (or from any other honest blogger for that matter – or maybe Mr Stern? King James LB the First? Those would be shockers to see what they had to say!)

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“As if he needed any extra motivation, James kept jawing with an overzealous Atlanta fan near the court — and kept making shots.
“A gentleman over there decided to talk back with me,” James said. “It’s happened in the past. It usually doesn’t work out good for the other team”

Who the hell was this idiot?

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Zaza’s ejection had nothing to do with LeBron. It was Joe Smith that he fouled. Why did he get tossed? I wasn’t sitting courtside to hear the magic words–but that’s likely what caused the early departure. Anyone know what was said? The refs gave him one T, and time to walk away, but he couldn’t shut up. Cry all you want, but Zaza was a complete knucklehead. He clearly fouled Joe Smith, look at where he’s standing. He wouldn’t shut up, and his teammates didn’t step in to wisk him away. Cry all you want about other calls, but that one is entirely on ZP.

And take away all of LeBron’s 12 made free throws if you want. Several of those were made on totally obvious fouls by the Hawks. The Hawks still lose the game. If he’s hitting 3’s at 50%, it’s gonna be a long night for the opposition. At least the Hawks showed up for much of the game this time.

And how about some respect for Delonte West? He’s done a good job first on Rip Hamilton, and now Joe Johnson (admittedly at less than 100%).

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DGYHU,
I appreciate the kind words. I’d have to find clips of most of the aforementioned situations you mentioned. I wish I had recorded the game. Problem is, it still seems very clear to me that you are letting your emotions affect your judgement. A perfect example of what I am talking about is your point about ZaZa and his T’s. You need to go back and watch the play on that one to see it more clearly.

First off, and this is your most egregious error: It wasn’t even LeBron that was involved in that play with ZaZa, it was Joe Smith. But your anger toward LeBron has clouded your memory of that play.

Secondly, ZaZa was clearly inside the “No-Charge Zone” semicircle when Joe hit him, which REQUIRES an automatic blocking foul call. The referees have no discretionary choice on that.

Third, ZaZa actually charged toward a referee, running into Anderson Varejao in the process. He was called for the first T for verbally berating the ref, and was called for the second T when another referee had to step in and protect the first ref that ZaZa was charging toward.

Again, since I didn’t DVR the game, I can’t speak to the other plays, but the ZaZa play has been replayed on SportsCenter and elsewhere and clearly shows ZaZa in the wrong. I know you’re a huge Hawks fan, but sometimes a player just screws up and deserves the punishment he gets.

If you have of find any video of some of those other plays I’d be happy to take a look at it. I’m not naive. I know that sometimes LeBron will get a call that seems questionable. Take a look at ESPN’s True Hoop section. They have two posts about LeBron and questionable calls, and at least one reader has compiled video of the questionable calls from Games 1 and 2. If you watch the video you’ll see a few calls that might have been missed, but most of them were the types of calls that can go either way and are called/not-called on every NBA player.

My point is, LeBron works tireless on refining his game, and he is obsessive about not fouling players, either on offense or defense, because he knows how important it is for his team that is he doesn’t put himself in a position to be taken out of a game because of foul trouble. On top of that, his speed puts him in positions to get those blocking fouls called on his defenders because most of the time those defenders were not quick enough to plant their feet. It’s really as simple as that. If your feet aren’t firmly planted, you’re getting called for the blocking foul.

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Harry Hawk, I’ve been at every playoff game this year and last year, and I can say emphatically that the crowd collectively says “Nooooo” every time Josh Smith even thinks about throwing up a jumpshot. By the 5th or 6th brick today there were more than a few boos directed at him. In no way shape or form does the Philips Arena crowd encourage him to shoot.

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One other thing: Joe Johnson is not a superstar, but he deserves some major props for returning from a severe ankle sprain in two days to play a pretty damn good game. He was a little streaky but he looked great for someone with an ankle sprain.

Still a little disappointed in Marvin’s inability to make any kind of impact in these playoffs, when Joe and Al have dealt with equally severe injuries and have gutted it out.

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Turn out the lights the party’s over, next year fellow Hawks’ Fans!

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too easy.

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Woodson needs to apologize to Jon Barry. And then he needs to not let the door hit him in the a– as he leaves.

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Sekou- what happened with the court case Belkin v. ASG? The problems with this team begins at the top. Mediocre ownership=mediocre management(Sund) =mediocre coaching (Woody)=mediocre players -(Lack of leadership, self-motivation, hustle, good decision making, heart).

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we need real competition not this wnba team.

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Did anyone see JS make an incredible block on LBJ at the rim igniting a Hawks fast break. It happened very quickly. I am almost sure I saw it but there was NO replay and absolutely NO comment about it. Maybe I was seeing things. Tell me if you saw it.

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Hey LeBrown. Enjoy it while you can. LeBron has already won the MVP. Thats it for him and Clev. The NBA in its ultimate wisdom knows that L.A. is a much bigger and more important market than Clv. Therefore, when Clv makes it to the Champ. game, they will keep Koby happy and throw him a bone and the Lakers will crush Cl. lol…enjoy while u can.Ko

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Ken Strickland,

Great points. I totally agree. The coaching aspect is being really overlooked. Anybody who played any form of organized ball, can tell how terrible Woodson’s defensive strategy was. Avery Johnson said a much also.

Najeh Davenpoop,

I have stated over and over again on this blog, that if you continue to wait on Marvin Williams to step up and be anything other than a bag of rocks, you will become severely depressed. The guy is truly a waste of talent. I gave up on him last year, and as far as I am concerned, he will be lucky to become a serviceable NBA player in the future.

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cry me a river hawks fans. maybe next year your team can get a better player that can play against da king d-wade maybe?in your dreams cuse he is joining his budy the king in cleveland.

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What JJ did in the 3 period of forcing the action and attacking the rim… Where had that been. Why did he wait until the game was decided to do that. Why didn’t the Hawks attck Lebron to try and get some cheap fouls? As atheletic as the Hawks are, I get stumped. They don’t seem to have a true offensive identity. This series is easy to diagnose. The Hawks inabiltiy to get second shots, and the Cavs getting easy offensive RBs is the main difference. ATL can’t do anything with CLE’s size up front.

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le brown say hi is NOT leaving cleveland and d-wade say he wants to play with him so get ready for the best duo ever to play in the nba.

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LET MIKE BIBBY GO. HE PLAYS NO DEFENSE

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Also, what the hell does Mo Evans do for this team? He isn’t even a good defender.

We need to strike gold this summer.

Let Bibby walk, Sign Raymond Felton, trade Marv, Horf, and Acie for Chris Bosh and sign some rugged 7″0 like what the lakers got in Dj Mbenga. We cannot mess up this summer. Toronto did the type of thing we should do, but we don’t want JONeal

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Hi People, very interesting posts, showing a lot of frustration.

It is pretty obvious that this team has generated a lot of fan support and people are focused on what they do. This is the first positive point and something which should not be forgotten, specially in light of our past.

Remeber, we were 13 and 69 not long ago!

Here’s my take on all things happened so far:

1. The refs have been killing us in the playoffs. No one has any respect for ATL, as a city and as a team. As an european looking from the outside, the “losersville” prejudice is really strong and you can see the pleasure that pleople put in seeing ATL fail (refs, opposing teams, commentators (with the exception of Hubie Brown, we have been receiving an extremely unfair treatment from the media).

It bewilders me, but I cannot remove this thought from my mind.

Apart from this, we faced 2 superstars who are extremely favoured by the NBA, the media and even the fans.

Wade gets away with travelling, whinning, whatever, and if it weren’t for the refs, we would have won the series in 6 games maximum, probably in 5 and maybe even in 4 and we would not have “lost” Al to injury if we had played less games. Game 2 was a disgrace, as were all games in Miami.

Now, LBJ is getting the same treatment. Obviously, the Cavs are much stronger than the Hawks, but we have not been given a fair chance to compete. Some calls are questionable, but too many calls in our favour are not called and too many are called in favour of the Cavs.

Game 2 was again a good example: loosing Josh Smith with his second foul instead of calling a charging foul on LBJ is a momentum turning event and something that messes the team’s composure regardless of having Woody in the bench or Pat Riley, specially with such a young team.

Last night was the same. Yes we settled for jump shots when we were 1 up in the fourth, however, JJ was fouled 2 or 3 times and the refs ate their whistles in a decisive moment of the game.

Also, in many double teams JJ gets a lot of contact and no one calls nothing. How can he split the double teams if the refs don’t call the contact going on? This is not football!

2. Apart from the above, we had a reasonably good season, maybe over achieving a bit here and there BUT also with a lot of nagging injuries. We could easily ended with just 40 wins but we could easily ended with 52.

We lost J-Smoove for a few games and he did not come back exactly the same (I don’t know why but he is blocking less shots and shying away from contact down low).

We lost Al, JJ and Marvin to nagging injuries which limited them. This has caused effects in their games.

Marvin did a nice job in the regular season against LBJ. Now we only got a sample of what he can do (he has good inside and outside game and some defensive skills which Mo cannot match).

Al has been severely limited and last but not the least, JJ has been playing tired and with a bad ankle since mid way the season. He simply does not complain about that as he also does not complain on the fouls that no one calls on him.

He is a great player (not a super star) and we should not put the blame on him. He has attracted the double teams and kicked the ball out effectively.

The problem is that since we have been limited offensively due to injury (we need Marvin’s game clicking), the double teams end up being effective since there are no other players getting the points.

If we had other players producing, the Cavs (and the Heat) would have been less committing to the double team and that would have been less effective for them. Teams know, against this undermanned and injured Hawks that if they double team JJ aggressively, he will get tired and will not get enough help from the rest of the team.

3. The current roster is OK and we should not try to trade anyone due to several reasons:

a) Really good players don’t want to come to Atlanta. Only JJ can fall on the category of really good players who selected to come to ATL.

b) If we try to trade for someone potentially good, you’ll see someone coming with lack of interest and wanting to be traded out.

c) Only exception to this rule was Bibby, who, we must face it, is past his best years. Still productive but, as he always was, a huge liability in defense. Since his offense has slowed down and he is now mostly a spot up shooter, he should be RESIGNED but, at fair price and with the purpose of being one of the BEST PG backups for the next 3 to 5 years.

Personally I would offer him a long term deal, for a relatively low per year cost. He is a good character and I am sure that, if called to be a leader off the bench, he will accept this role.

d) Many of our players have a lot of potential and we should try and exploit it to the end since we will not get “fair price” back if we trade them (including Josh, since everyone knows, after these playoffs, how inconsistent and difficult to coach he is – everyone, from H. Brown, to Fratello, to Barkley, Kenny, whatever, commented on his lack of mental composure).

Teams who do not have a superstar are only successful with a collective effort and that can only be achieved if you keep the core and try to patch any glaring needs or develop the bench (Woody is guilty here).

I hate seeing J-Smoove doing what he does, which is getting us in and out of games with his lack of inteligence, but lets face it, who would accept to come and play in ATL in his place?

I saw some names flying, Amare, Bosh… several flaws on those suggestions: Amare is also a knuckle head: he does not play defense, wants the ball at all cost and is not a hard worker. Bosh is a nice player but also does not command respect on defense and also does not carry a team per se that far (where are his Raptors???).

4. We should sign Childress. We miss his hustle, offensive rebounding and energy off the bench. That would improve our rotation immediately since he could rest Marvin and specially JJ along with Mo, helping him reach the playoffs fresher.

5. Again on JJ, he was one of the 4th quarter ppg leader this season. Give him some respect. They palyoffs are tough and he needs more help and he deserves more respect from the refs. How can he end up games with just 1 or 2 FT attempted?

6. Woody: I am divided here. He has some shortcomings but he has made progress every single year with an unbalanced and young roster.

I really believe that he nshould get an extension, guaranteeing him 2 more years BUT with strict orders to develop the bench, REGARDLESS of an eventual drop in the number of wins.

Sometimes we need to take one step back in order to take two steps forward and it does seem that Woody is so worried about preserving his job that he does not take the chances he even personally feels adequate.

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hawks are done and have been since game 2 of miami series

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ILL-LOGICAL-I don’t know if you remember, but I was making our switching DEF an issue during the regular season. It’s simply stupid to have our BIGS constantly switching and being put in the position of trying to guard much quicker, faster PG’s and SG’s out on the perimeter without any help. That kind of DEF works best when you have a shot blocking BIG to defend the lane. Of course, that’s assuming your HC isn’t stupid enough to have him out on the perimeter trying to guard PB’s & SG’s.

There seems to be quite a number of fans that use the same approach used by HC MWoodson, BLAME THE PLAYERS. If the HC calls the OFF sets and the OFF play, it means he’s the one that’s determining the on court position and roll of each player. Like MBibby said in last gms sideline tirade with Woodson, IF YOU DON’T WANT ME TO PASS HIM THE BALL OR HIM TO TAKE THE SHOT, PUT HIM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I don’t know about any of you, but that makes perfect sense to me, and there in lies the problem, or at least one of them.

When we blew Miami out in the 1st gm of that series, I remember SAMUEL immediately posting and making a point about Woodson being a better HC and strategiet under playoff condidions. I WONDER WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT NOW?

SAMUEL, we’re playing the best team, record wise, with arguably the best player in basketball. He’s killing us in every phase of the gm, and we haven’t attempted to double him once. On the other had, their HC understands the importance of limiting the impact of the oppositions best player, so he’s double teamed JJ since the opening tipoff of the 1st gm of the series. Miami’s rookie HC did the same thing, and so did Woodson by refusing to double DWade and allowing him to perform at a level that could have cost us that series.

COACHING PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL ISN’T AS COMPLICATED AS NUCLEAR PHYSICS, BUT IT CERTAINLY HELPS TO HAVE A CLUE.

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Hey EAST ATLANTA HAWKS FAN 1971;

Check this out from LeBron yesterday, and find something else to rag about:

‘I’m comfortable with being in Cleveland. I’m excited about it. I’m loving the direction we’re [going] in and I’m loving the teammates I have and the organization. So if that’s any indication of me leaving, then somebody must be looking out the wrong box.” LeBron James

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My Thoughts—-

As long as Woodrow is here, don’t expect to see Josh Childress in a Hawks uniform.

Funny how Josh Smith is considered unstable but ZaZa is the one who loses it during a critical point in the game. I can only imagine the posts on this blog if that was Josh Smith who got ejected.

Marvin Williams didn’t want to look bad in the playoffs because it might hurt his contract numbers. Could have at least been used to help out defensively on LBJ. Hell, we play Mario for a few minutes for D only purposes. Why not Marvin?

Al Horford shouldn’t get a pass on his lack of an offensive game. Much work is needed this off season.(15 foot jumper and a “go to” low post move)

Woody’s thought process — during the second game with the Hawks down by 30 points and struggling on offense, he brings in Mario West, the worst offensive player on the Hawks if not the league.

Is it just me or do the guards on the opposing teams get more layups against the Hawks when ZaZa is in the game…..

Joe is tired – playing on fumes. Thanks Woodrow.

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GREAT SEASON HAWKS.I REALLY DO MEAN THIS.AS A TEAM THEY GOT BETTER. THEY ARE A DOMINANT CENTER AND A POINT GUARD WHO CAN DEFEND, DISH AND SCORE AWAY. BY FAR JOSH SMITH IS THEY’RE BEST PLAYER HE REALLY CAME TO PLAY IN THE PLAYOFFS. THE REST NEED TO WORK ON STRENGTH, CONDICTIONING AND WEAK POINTS AND NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE IN THE FINALS.

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I don’t follow the Hawks daily. I live in Texas and rarely get a chance to see them on Tv. I watched the Playoffs and from thata assessnent this is what I think they need. They need a big so Al can play PF. If they do bring back Josh C., then either Josh Smith or Marvin has to go. You all decide. Law has got to play more meaningful minutes or he needs to go. The Hawks have no bench. Just Flip to score. ZAZA tp rebound, and Evans to play D. That is not enough. And frankly I don’t see Flip having this type of year again. So, the starting 5. PG LAW SG JJ, SF Smith, PF AL, C ??? Bench: Josh C., Flip, ZAZA, Solo, Bibby(if you can resign at a discount) Any thoughts ?

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Hawks must trade acie if woody is the coach next year i cant see keeping him and wasting his potential.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Great points Ken. I pointed out during the season that good teams were taking advantage of our switching defense to create mismatches. Somehow our coach still does not realize that… I have yet to see him make an adjustment. Its as if we come out with the same game plan night after night… When our shots fall we look good but once the j’s don’t fall its like guys are lost out there… We need a guy who can penetrate and finish strong at the hoop… We have a pg who can penetrate and kick out to our shooters but the coach refuses to play him…. As Nate pointed out, we needed offense yet the coach brings in the worst offensive player on our team in Mario….Then you have Bibby who is getting his lunch money taken on defense but the coach refuses to bring in a better defensive guard…. Our guards keep getting beat which forces our bigs to try and come over and help which then puts gets them in foul trouble. Somehow I see this sorry front office keeping the coach and using us getting into the second round and improving each year as the reason… Forget mediocrity. Get us a proven coach in here.

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“Somehow our coach still does not realize that… I have yet to see him make an adjustment. Its as if we come out with the same game plan night after night… When our shots fall we look good but once the j’s don’t fall its like guys are lost out there”

exactly what i’ve been sayin’!! this team has won but they have never been prepared…PERIOD!!! WOODSON should be fired immediately after the season…TUESDAY in the AM!!!

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Tribe,

Being blown out does not exclude the fact that we were subject to awful pro-wade officiating in the Miami series and now pro-Lebron.

We have failed to compete in many games, specially away from home, however, when you are a young team like ours and mentally still weak (little playoff experience) it is easy to get de-railed by bad calls.

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How exactly does getting swept help this team grow? We are going to come back next year with this same lame core of tweeners, no true 25 ppg scorer, no good point guard who can penetrate the lane, no true center, and no bench. And of course, Woodson.

But I cannot wait to hear Gearon Jr. rave about how we won a playoff series, so everything is good. We may finish 4th in our division next year–maybe 5th if Larry Brown keeps growing his young ‘Cats

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Hawks need to get a second all star ala Chris Bosh, Amare stoudimire, to complement JJ. New coach would also help as coach brown has schooled Woodson this series in the the battle of the Mikes. Avery Johnson would look nice for your franchise. Also why the hell did you guys draft Marvin Williams when you needed a point guard ever since Mookie Blaylock retired. You passed up to potential AllStars in Paul and Deron Williams for a player in Marvin thats good at everything but great at nothing. The experienced gained by your club will only help in the long run. Stop blaming the refs and hvae your team take some accountiblity for their shortcomings. Good luck next year Hawks and fans.

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Can anyone tell me of another HC that actually wants his team to depend almost exclusively on jumpshooting? What kind of HC punishes and ignores a quick, fast PG that plays excellent DEF and has the ability to breakdown a DEF by penetrateing almost at will, just because he’s not a prolific jump shooter? WHEN WE NEED OFF, HE SENDS MWEST INTO THE GM. WHEN WE NEED DEF, HE SENDS MBIBBY BACK INTO THE GM. THAT’S NOT A STRATEGY. LET’S HOPE THE SAASG SEES WHAT WE SEE.

As far as our bench is concerned, the only Hawks player I can honestly say doesn’t belong in the NBA is Randolph Morris. Everyone else on the roster seems to have something to offer if given the right opportunity in the right situation. WELL, BETTER LUCK NEXT SEASON HAWKS.

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FIRE WOODSON!!!

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Well, as optimistic as I usually am on here, I have to say its “curtains” for my hawks, excuse me our Hawks. But I am not going to point fingers, lord knows there are plenty of people on here for that. But here is what i would do in the offseason.

First off, i would by no means let Flip sign anywhere else. you dont have to break the bank to keep him. He is the perfect compliment for Joe off the bench, and he has the potential to be sixth man of the year by averaging anywhere from 13-17 off the bench and thats huge.

Mo Evans is a very good piece to the puzzle, a very good defender, i decent 3-pointer shooter and seems to add some emotion to the team. BUT he is not that productive offensively. When Marvin went down, his scoring average didnt go up, i know we have a good record when he starts but, i think when marvin isnt playing that puts pressure on Joe to score and play more.
Here is the tough part, Finding the right big man to play center. If you want to be more of a half court team find a big man that has low post presence and can rebound. I have to admit i dont have a clue who is out there but that piece is essential to the future of this team.

Once we find that piece. let him start at Center, play horford at PF, Marvin at SF, Joe SG and Bibby, yes i say we keep Bibby at least two more years. his shooting this season and in the playoffs has kept us in games. where is Josh, yes Josh is coming off the bench along with flip and giving us a deeper bench with Za Za and Acie Law. I am not willing to give up on this guy yet. I think he can be a pretty good player with more time on the floor to develop.

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yes chris bosh would be a perfect fit. he is very athletic, can run the floor, and he played college ball here, he knows the city and i think he would enjoy living in Atlanta. Question is who do u give up for him?

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Who is the next jordan there is no one so far but i do think king james can be closer than any player in the history of the nba.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

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The best thing to come out of the Hawks playoff run is the economic impact on Atlanta’s beleagured hospitality industry, especially downtown.

Otherwise, we are at a crossroads . Where does this team go from here?
Do they retain the current coach; a critical issue because you can’t retain/attract players without a coach/system in place. And if you retain Woodson,which is my guess, do you retain the system that has been exposed by the national media?Or do you tweak the roster?

Progress is great and kudos to all but now the real work is managing the expections raised by the teams success.

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MY BOTTOM TEN PLAYER IN THE NBA
1.j smoove 2.j jonhson 3.m bibby 4. a horford 5.m willians 6.z pachulia 7.m evans 8.f murray 9.a law 10.s jones.

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thank you gay wang dang doodle.

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Just a thought to the effect that maybe this series is a validation of the old adage that the Mills of God Grid Slowly but They Grind Exceeding Fine. Maybe all of the bad calls against the Hawks are just The Man’s way of making up for all of those Maddox and Glavine pitches which were called strikes in the ‘95 series when the television camera proved they were mostly three to four inches wide of the outside corner.

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You’re saying all these no calls against the Hawks are Maddox’s fault?

Congratulations…you’re gay.

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le brown james THE KING OF ATLANTA = pole smoker

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thank you who died that’s a compliment.

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Playoff basketball is BORING!!!

Especially when the Hawkettes lose by double digits…nasty!!

No wonder I won such a weak division!

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haha that’s funny,but that wont’ stop the king tomorrow night to finish your sorry a## team in 4.

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I just got my 2009-2010 season tickets.

Looks like I won’t be buying toilet paper for a while!!!

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When’s the last time we REALLY showed up?

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niremetal,

I don’t know about giving BOTH arms for Battier, but I’d give my LEFT arm to be ambidextrous!

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GET YOUR BROOMS READY ATLANTA I SMELL A SWEEP

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” I’m going to push our guys to make sure they don’t throw in the towel. Because if we force another game … anything can happen.”

Woodson saying the guys are going to throw in the towel? Wow that says a lot about our team.

It’s absolutely amazing that the Rockets play without their best players T-Mac, Yao, [Mutombo], and Ron Artest had an awful game, yet they won big, AND they score 99. When is the last time the Hawks scored 99 and Joe and Smoove didn’t show up? When’s the last time Bibby drove past a player for a layup?

Can we please get a quicker point guard? Sautee, Acie lacks serious basketball ability and a jumpshot to be effective

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As I watched the recorded Sat game (several times now), it’s clear to me that despite Lebron’s monster game, we still had our chances to win that game. But for us to have won, we needed a collected team effort and outstanding individually performances from JJ, Bibby and Josh. That did not happen. For those with short memories, we were in this game up until the 5:00 min mark in the 4th quarter. We were there. Here are key points that lead us to struggle the entire game:

Josh didn’t defend on weak side help very well. He was inconsistent at best. Donte West, Lebron and others had a field day blowing by their defenders and beating Josh. He did have one defensive game changing moment when he blocked Lebron lay-up but he could play good defense consistently.

Bibby played way too timid and was erected at times. We needed more scoring and better decision making from him. He only had 8 points and some critical turnovers. I was disappointed in the leader.

Back to Josh; He made many untimely bad offense decisions shooting and missing perimeter jumpers and 3’s when we desperately needed scoring inside. Woody begged his team to go inside and draw fouls but Josh defied him. I am sorry to say, this act alone was a major reason we could not recovery from Lebron scoring surges. The crowd started to boo him at the end when the game was decided. As much as I like Josh’s heart, his desire to be the hometown hero cause too much selfish plays with causeless disregard for the magnitude of this game.

As much as I have teased JJ soft games in this series, he did have one of his better games. But that still was not enough from our star player. He needed a monster game even with a bad ankle. At times, he still played timid and should have demanded the ball despite the double team. To Josh’s credit, perhaps some of those bad decisions to shoot those jumpers may have been because no one else would step up. Remember, great players must play great during desperate times. Joe is still not there yet. Despite some timely misses, Joe was not the weak link in this game.

Mo Evans was just a body on the floor for all it’s worth. He gave us nothing on offense and defense. Lebron had a field day. Woody made a bad decision to give him that much PT. I would have taken my chances with Marvin bad wrist over Mo. There are bench players and there are starters. Mo Evans shows you why he is a bench player. We must address this problem in off-season.

I am afraid that despite the successful season we have had, we may have been better off falling short of our goals this year. If we had fallen short, we would have the urgency to make major changes to upgrade during the off-season. Now, our second-round play-off appearance may have masked the underlining chemistry flaws this team still has. Some of our key players just don’t play at their best on this team and for this coach. We may have gotten the most mileage out of this lineup. With our success this year, The ASG is blinded and may not feel the need to make the critical changes to get us to the next level.

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Sautee, I know he put up those numbers — I watched the entire game. Also, you fail to mention that those numbers were after the Cavs were up [at least] 20 and he was doing that against Cleveland benchwarmers like ATL’s own JJ Hickson and Darnell Jackson (if that’s even his name). I’ve salivated over Acie’s ability to get in the lane, but he seriously cannot shoot, and he and Duck can never friggin stay healthy. If we had Stuckey, we’d be on a whole different playing surface right now. I wanted Acie to succeed, but as some scout told Sekou in a blog earlier this year, BK drafted a PG that is NOT compatible with Woody’s style of play. Woodson likes the shooting PG’s like Tyronn Lue, and that’s why Woodson has publicly stated his infatuation with Bibby. Acie does not fit this mold, and would probably be better suited on Portland or some other team. I would really like to see us go after Raymond Felton.

As I said before, you do NOT need a superstar PG. Houston is paying Aaron Brooks minimum wage (seriously) and this guy is a freaking stud. I am in complete admiration of HOuston’s ability to destroy LAL at home without 2.5 of its best players (Artest did jack@$!@), yet we need JJ to put in 28 for us to beat any good teams — and we cannot win on the road anyway

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don’t worry hawks fans next year your sorry team will miss the playoff and the pain will be less.

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Sautee,
Concerning your statement about Acie being a quicker guard you better not let the local sportstalk radio guys hear you say that or they will mock you relentlessly for that

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Look guys, the Hawks have really improved over the past 5 years. They are getting close to being a top contender, but they are not in the upper core group of teams that can actually compete for the NBA Championship. The Lakers, the Cavs, the Celtics, maybe the Magic, but not the Hawks yet! What moves do we need to make during this off season, after we lose to the Cavs? I think JJ, Smooth, & Horford are the only players that we need to continue to build around. Bibby, Marvin, and all the other players are expendable for the right trade. I do like Flip Murray more and more as the season goes on.

What are some thoughts from other Hawks fans on this off season?

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Where is Samuel and his famous “Woodson=COY” banner????

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hey everybody im so gay…i love riding lebrons nuts cuz they feel so damn gud…im actually from Atlanta but im jus one of those fair weather fans..hey you all should join me and the cavs on lebrons nuts cuz they are so smoooooovee!!!!

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Not only does Flip hogs the ball but he causes turnovers when he drives to the lane and looses the ball and looks at the ref to bail him out and ends up looking all the more crazy. Yes, he has done some good things but take the ball out of his hands at the end of the quarter. I dont know what worse, watching Josh jack up jumpshots or watching Flip drive to the lane and loose the ball at the end of the quarter

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Couldn’t bring myself to blog after the game, just to messed-up to think logically.

I will start with the fact that Lebron has really taken another step forward. I haven’t watched a lot of his games this year, but clearly over the summer he’s improved, if not fixed his jumpshot. He was a very streaky shooter the last two years, but not any longer. I hope that JSmoove, Marvin and Al can look at his work ethic and improve to this summer. I think Lebron gets IT terms of working on his game and leading his team. I can’t comment on the refs, because I will never understand why its so hard to Call a Foul, maybe I have to ref a game myself to get some appreciation.

I was really impressed by the fight the HAWKS showed, hopefully that will transfer to great work in the summer. If they can pull out a game tomorrow night that will be great, but anymore than that is a miracle!

This summer is going to be very interesting because of the anticipated luxury tax level going down. I think the HAWKS should make a hard run for Amare, if they can’t get him. They should trade Marvin and some else for someone like Klieza or the “Birdman” from Denver. I like Klieza because he can shoot, but the “Birdman” can defend and rebound. Denver’s going to give “Birdman” another contract, but that might leave Klieza open. This is the summer to decide which small forward to keep Marvin or Josh. If the HAWKS keep both, their going to have to get a new offensive system. Either Woody goes or he needs to be on strict orders to push the ball and use the bench OR ELSE.

Keep fight’n GUYS

GO HAWKS!!!!!

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“I don’t know what we’ve got left,” Johnson said as he walked to his car after practice. “Hopefully, we’ll play with a little fire and not let them close it out on our home court. But I don’t know.”

Johnson’s uncertainty stems from the Hawks’ inability to sustain anything close to their customary level of play for more than a few minutes against the Cavaliers.

i’m sorry…but that’s NOT bein’ a leader to me!!!

“In this series we just haven’t made the adjustments,” Woodson said. “And you can blame it on the coach. I’ll take the heat for that. I think a lot of time it comes down to who wants it the most. And right now they’re beating us to the punch on pretty much everything that they want to do and what we want to do.”

not only can he f’n NOT coach, he can’t even SAY anythin’ different!! USELESS…PERIOD!!!

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DOC, i think you said it best in one of your posts…to para-phrase…’the we’s have to turn to I’s ‘. somebody…JJ…needs to separate himself into the I category!!

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I liked Terry Stotts too. JT, Sura, and Steven Jackson played well together. They were a entertaining group that played hard each night despite the lack of talent. If we would have added a few more pieces around them we would have been alright but Billy decided to blow up the team. I remember he told JT he wanted him around during the rebuilding process then one year later he traded him.

This season needs to hurry up and end. I got a lot of negativity I want to get off my chest.

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DOC, totally agree

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We never had a chance in that game. I was there at the Highlight factory. Whenever the Hawks made somewhat of a run, Lebron told his teammates to calm down and give him the ball. The Hawks could not stop him he scored at will. The Hawks players looked scared and intimidated. I will be there tonight and hope that we avoid the sweep, but the Hawks are not on this teams level. if we lose Bibby in the off season, I say the one player that can change the swag of this team immediately and make us a legit threat or the east is a player that is available and if healthy be our superstar that get us over the hump and that is, Allen Iverson. After this season go out and get A.I. He still have a few years left in him and he when healthy can still score at will. The Hawks need that type of player. If we want to win 45 to 50 games a year for 4 or 5 years and say, hey, nice season then keep the status quo, but if we want to truly be a contender then the Hawks should go out and get A.I. now that they don’t have to give up anything for him. Look at what Artest have done for the Rockets and if he can change his ways A.I. can do the same.

Holla……

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Lets see the Rockets are tied 2-2 with LA, their 2 best players are injured, they throw out a starting lineup of Brooks, Battier, Artest, Scola, and Chuck freakin Hayes, and they blow out the Lakers at home yesterday. Question #1. Is that lineup any better than ours? 2. Are the Cavs that much better than Kobe and co.? 3. Is Aldeman that much better of a Coach than Woody? If your answer is #3, I totally agree.

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I can’t wait until I go to a team that already has a superstar, so I can be a role player again…where I’m meant to be.

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Gone on Vaction…

Be Back Never

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We need a coach who can make adjustments.
We do not need a “no defense” point guard.
We need defensive ability in the paint. We need toughness. I love Hortford but he needs to improve his offensive ability. No improvements yet.

We need an offense.
We need a GM that does not take a year to look over his team. Did Thomas Dimtrioff take his first year off?
We need a guard that can penetrate. (We have one in AC).
Our team has been exposed.

We need a NBA Commissioner that does not want the refs to have man crushes on certain players. We need a league with credibility.

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last spanking and i over hawks.

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CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF GOOD COACHING AND NO COACHING:

GLENN DAVIS’ GAME HAS RISEN TREMENDOUSLY SINCE GARNETT WENT DOWN, WHILE AL HORFORD IS CONSISTENTLY IGNORED ON THE OFFENSIVE END. THE WAY DAVIS IS PLAYING OFFENSIVELY IS THE WAY I THOUGHT HORFORD WOULD BE, BUT LACK OF COACHING IS HOLDING HIM BACK

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I’m…tired.

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I like long walks in the park.

And puppies.

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If I buy the Hawks, I’m sure Thomas can be GM for two teams.

Heck, I’ll even fire Woodson as a token of good faith!

What do you say, Hawks fans? Is Atlanta ready for another Cindarella story?

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Sekou, they had nothing to begin with, so they surely don’t have anything left!

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I miss Sheldon Williams at a time like this.

At least he was big.

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AJ, your warm reception of the comparative approaches of Dimitroff and Sund may be a bit of a stretch. Here’s why. For whatever his reasons, Dimitroff hit the ground running with player and system evaluations, and took immediate actions to install a new system under a new HC with a large complement of new players (which he acquired) and the fairly immediate dismissal of a few players he deemed of not the proper ilk for the new culture he wished to create. Even though he had to evaluate players for 53 positions, decide on a new system, and select a new HC, he didn’t come in under a pre-determined ‘I need a year to evaluate’ mantra. Oh, and he did’t come in with the 15 million years of experience that Sund had garnered.

Sund, by comparison, had been around the league since well before the rise of the Roman Empire, came in to an under-performing 37-45 team (you make too much of the fact that squad made the playoffs in 2008), and decided right up front that he was going to essentially ‘do nothing’ for the next 12 months. He had to make player evaluations for essentially 12 positions (only 8-9 of which were significant); he’d seen this team’s system several times a year for the past several years Woody had been the HC; and he’s clearly a very smart guy. He never said that based upon his evaluation of the team, the system, what might be available on the market, and other considerations, he thought it best to sit tight for the season. Instead he made an a priori decision; said he needed a full 12 months simply to complete his evaluation (save the Evans and Flip moves). Okay, so maybe the ASG fiasco represented an impediment that would not have allowed Sund to be aggressive even if his 15 million years of experience, unparalleled skill in talent evaluation, and unrivaled deal-making ability had properly positioned him to fix the major flaws this squad has demonstrated for some time. Rather he simply said he needed a year to evaluate things. How can one rationally compare that course of action, or non-action (and the rationale provided there for), with Dimitroff’s path?

In the words of Mark Jackson, you’re better than that. Don’t give this cat an unwarranted pass. He has been little more than a seat-warmer for 12 months, and the inconsistent play and leadership void of the past season and playoffs make the clear statement that this seat-warmer status is totally unjustified. But that’s yesterday. Let’s hope past is not prologue.

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Last yr, we had a subpar regular season, but made the playoffs by making a strong season ending playoff run to gain the #8 playoff seed. We surprised everyone, including ourselves, by taking the Boston Celtics, the eventual NBA champs, to an exciting 7gm playoff series.

This yr, we used last yrs playoff success as inspiration to finish with a very good regular season record and the 4th playoff seed. Even though we’ve made it to the 2nd rd of this yrs playoffs, the Hawks play, especially their inability to make adjustments, or be competitive, especially away from Phipps Areaa, hasn’t inspired much hope for the future. The question now is, CAN WE DRAW ANYTHING INSPIRATIONAL OR POSITIVE TO BUILD UPON FROM THE HAWKS’ EMBARRASSING OVERALL PLAY IN THIS YRS PLAYOFFS?

WE ALL KNOW THE HAWKS ARE ALL BUT OFFICIALLY ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS, AND THEY’RE NOW PLAYING TO TRY AND SALVAGE WHAT LITTLE SELF RESPECT THEY HAVE LEFT, WE HOPE. GOOD LUCK TONIGHT HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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In regards to the Falcons vs Hawks comparison here’s my take. Falcon ownership(ABlank) didn’t look for excuses or someone to blame, he identified the causes of the teams problems and sought a solution to his problems. So, he virtually started over by firing his HC and replacing his GM.

Hawk ownership was too preoccupied with their own petty energy and money draining legal issues to recognize the difference between the cause of their problems and the effects, even though former GM Billy Knight did and tried to do something about it, PERIOD.

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Now Sund is to blame for what we’re seeing? I can’t say that I disagree with his approach this first season. ZaZa, Flip, Bibby, Marvin, Solo are all looking for new contracts. Before resigning them OR trading them doesn’t it make sense to see what you got?

Does anyone really think Sund was given the same freedom to build the Hawks that Dimitrov was given? Think the ownership for each team have the same directives? IF you do then come talk to me about purchasing some real estate!

This offseason is where Sund will be held to the fire. He needs to make changes that is obvious – will he make the correct changes is the question.

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And the HAwks HAVE LEARNED IN THIS SERIES WHAT WILL BE NECESSARY MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY FOR THE CLUB TO WIN AN nba CROWN. wILL THEY? oNLY TIME WILL TELL.

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JD and New Kid, excellent point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I keep hearing everyone say we need to bring Bibby back…I would love to have Bibby back as a backup…but not a starter. The only way to bring Bibby back as a starter…you have to go out and get a Big to defend the post…or we are right back where we started. Next you got to ask yourself will he accepted less pay and accept a backup roll on a flawed team…I don’t think so. Add to that Woody is not using him properly or managing his minutes…I say a playoff caliber team will make a hard push for Bibby. He’s proved his worth…he just needs to be in different system.

We got Acie Law…Yeah…Yeah…He needs to you something…well how can you show case your skills with one hand tied behind your back…that’s basically what he’s been doing since we drafted him. BE BOLD…GIVE HIM THE KEYS AND SEE WHAT HE CAN DO…IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME THAT ACIE IS A BUST…I WOULD SAY BASE ON WHAT??????????THE LAME DUCK PLAYING TIME HE GETS FROM WOODY…GET ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still say Acie can fill our needs at PG…everyone was saying the same thing about Rondo…now he’s an emerging superstar…I think we can get by with acquiring a serviceable vet PG and turn things over to Acie. Take the expiring contracts and a package that will have include some of your top talent…and go get a Big.

You’ll know my two Bigs are Brook Lopez and Thabeet. No one has been able pull off a trade of that magnitude without giving some top talent…get over it…it’s time to make some moves. This is where the Hawks have an advantage…because they have duplicate assets those teams would be willing to trade for. I think two players and a first round draft pick would entice some team to roll the dice.

GO HAWKS…WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER!!!!!!!!!!!

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FIRE MIKE WOODSON!!!

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A Tribe Called Quest,

Dumars thought the same thing about Stuckey when he traded away Billups…we know how that turned out…they were ranked lower than we were. Besides Stuckey gets consistent minutes…and he hasn’t showed me nothing to make me believe he’s any ready to lead a team than Acie. He’s been hit by the injury bug too.

What is overlooked is the invaluable knowledge and insight Acie has gained from playing behind Bibby and Flip. Let’s see what he can do for a whole season before we rush to judgment.

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well, well,well…here we go again…popcorn on me tonight folks….GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLEVELAND

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the hawks GM let you guys best player go overseas

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uh no big dave, i do think he has not shown leadership at least in the public eye, like by what he says and how he acts on the court. it is all about we when we lose or they rather than i am not getting the job done. that is what leaders do. remember how shaq would respond to a loss or bird or magic or isiah … the list goes on? sometimes a guy needs to say a need to do better rather than others ought to do better. he can only take care of himself.

now answer this bigdave ….. are you saying that after 17 playoff games as a hawk as the guy to lead us out of purgatory with the salary to boot that he has been “the man”? myk if you want you can answer too. heh heh

big dave, the cavs are clearly the better team and said that before the series started. unfortunately we couldnt beat them when they were playing terrible and allowed one man to beat them and the rest of the team to out rebound them. plenty of reasons to say how this team is losing beyond saying it is due to jj. i am looking for that guy who takes this loss personal, you know kind of like how lebron responded when his team got waxed by the spurs a few years back. that is all i want to see. thus far i dont see it in the guy they have said is going to lead. clear?

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doc..

i dont know man.. i can say that since, and not because, Joe arrived i watched every single Hawk (that they aired) minus a few (weekend package last year +8-10) games that i actually payed good money to see. including post game, and they had pre game a couple years. when Joe gets interviewed, and just as recently as the MIA series, he gave you what you wanted; ” honestly,i fell like i haven’t played well the whole series” after the game 7 win. now minus the contract, lets say if they were just playing for sheer love, Joe is the reason why we are here. i said it.. i actually mean it.. you can point to Bibby if you’d like, but truthfully Joe makes Bibby’s game.. given that he has no defense, and only contributes on offense. you can credit that 3 pt % and wide open looks mostly to the blitzing of Joe…

given the conditions that the “Atlanta Hawks” (Steven A. Smith’s voice) have played under, no… no.. forget the other variables… im just going to out right point the finger to Coach Woodson. how can 1 single player be the reason we are getting beat down this series or a regular season loss? truthfully it depends on what you want out of a leader.. Joe Johnson could have absolutely pulled a “Kobe” and put the organization, head coach, teammates (by name) on blast, or he do what he has done and prevent all hell breaking loose, wheels falling off or all the work that these guys have put in over the past seasons and has just gone out and play. in the words of his head coach, “Joe is a big part of what we do”, “Joe’s our all-star, he goes out and does everything we ask him to do”.. geesh.. we are a extremely FLAWED team Doc… and you know it man…

as far as on the court is concerned, how many times have you seen so-called leaders quit on there young teams? “Dewaaayne Waaaade” (Holman’s voice) did it to his young team game 1 of the Hawks series. as much as he is to that team and their offense, he refused to shoot. So did Kobe, that one series, i think it was a game 7 even, with Phx. Suns. as if they were saying, “o… im not apart of this.. ” “im too good for this beatdown”.. i have absolutely never seen Joe do this to his Hawks even when they have won 13 F-in games…!!! as a matter of fact, Joe does the opposite.. when we are down.. he starts chuckin, i mean pulling, from deep… an more often than not he hits.. did it in the reg. season.. did it Sat. when the game was getting away, he was getting frustrated, but he fought… regardless of the non calls…

like i said in a conversation with Big Ray, and Najeh last blog (Sekou recommended we copy and paste) its a wonder how Joe, Josh and others havent lost their cool. though you are seeing signs of it in these playoffs. body language, in their games. i wonder how other “leaders/stars” would react to having to play in a system that, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and everyone and their mama knows whats coming… and to still manage to put up good numbers… play above avg mins. (Joe and Josh)

ILL SAY IT AGAIN… WE NEED A HEAD COACH!!! A SYSTEM!! AN IDENTITY!!! PERIMETER DEFENSE!! A LOW POST SCORING THREAT!!!

Doc, with the above mentioned Joe Johnson is a equal player away from taking this team to the Conference Finals… he never got the help he asked for… this is obvious Bibby’s contributions negate themselves because of his defensive deficiencies… look at Joe’s body of work… on a whole.. what he is asked to do, night end and night out.. his life isnt as easy as other All Stars.. yet he does not Bytch and people still find fault in him… its not about Joe.. its about TEAM!!! those players that you referenced about they’re leadership in post conference hell, at times those players are, and have proven that they think they are bigger than TEAM!!! minus Chauncy… but hey, his name is Chauncy…

-FIN

GO HAWKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

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Just saw the Hawks All-Access vid and Woody said “We’re right where we wanna be.” Great, down 3-0 is what I’ve wanted this whole series!

Fire Woodson after this year, hire Avery, then trade Smoove + Marvin + Law for Bosh/Amare, resign Chillz, and resign ZaZa and Flip (for cheap). That’s called a top 2 team in the East.
The reason the Celts and Cavs are #1 the last 2 years in the East is they MADE A TRADE TO BRING IN A STAR/SUPERSTAR WHO CAN SCORE THE BASKETBALL. We can’t just rot with the same roster and expect Smoove or Marv to turn into a 25 ppg superstar

COME ON SUND. ITS NOT AS HARD AS IT SOUNDS. GET BOSH

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Hawks fans – enjoy your 30 minutes of basketball today. The last 10 minutes will involve quiet reflection on the season that was and what you will do with your free time until September.

GO CAVS and congrats on your sweep of the hawks

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One of Woody’s biggest weaknesses is his inability to make adjustments. I’m just glad he recognizes it as well.

“In this series we just haven’t made the adjustments,” Woodson said. “And you can blame it on the coach. I’ll take the heat for that. I think a lot of time it comes down to who wants it the most. And right now they’re beating us to the punch on pretty much everything that they want to do and what we want to do.”

A change has to be made somewhere, because he has taken us as far as he can take us. If we come back next year with the same team and the same coaching staff, I think we will get the same inconsistent results.

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AJ, if one starts from the premise – as reported – that the ASG wanted Knight around for at least another year (in fact offered him the opportunity), then it follows that the ASG’s desire was for continuation of roster modification/improvement based upon evaluations to that point in time. Now if that’s true, why would the ASG essentially take a step back (with the hiring of Sund) and encourage him to ‘do nothing’ for a year so as to allow him to get his bearings? If you argue that the ASG didn’t really want to sit tight, but had no choice after Billy refused to continue and the other cat (don’t remember his name) with a Hawks history opted to not take the GM offer, then perhaps you’re on to something. But no such logic was offered. If in fact that was the logic, then certainly no credit can be accorded Sund for this.

But let’s agree to disagree. On the matter of the paramount importance of continuing the advance this off-season, there can be no disagreement. He has cap room. tradeable commodities, present and future draft picks, talent on the farm in Europe, and presumably evaluations heretofore unavailable. If we haven’t already, we’ll soon see if there’s any substance to this chap. I certainly hope there is.

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big dave, i am a supporter of jj and called him little d wade. would like for him to just do it, in 17 playoff games he has not shined. josh for all his failures singularly has done more to push this franchise forward in the playoffs than anyone else the last two years, not jj. i would like to have seen that more balanced.

the main problem is the cavs, they got stronger as the season progressed we got weaker due to injuiries and an unprepared or inept bench. they are long and dominate us because of it along with the best player in the game and maybe what hasnt been recognized by anyone else the best player 24 years old to play the game ever.

we dont match up well with the cavs if we are not hitting on all cylinders. we do if we are and proved it with a win and a near miss at home. a bad call may have been to begin to get sterns teams in the order he wanted them in. i had hoped that we would at least challenge them at home in this series and trouble them away.

the cavs have been giving us fits for all the reasons we have talked about to ad nauseum on this blog; as you put it, too flawed to go very far. just the same, these guys have done themselves proud this year. i have enjoyed it very much.

we do have to figure out the reason this team turns into the worst team in the playoffs on the road and can compete at home in the playoffs. is it the coach or the players or the opposition? rick sund gets final answer, he has watched long enough to maybe assure himself of one more year as the big boss unless the whole folds next year. it is now his to configure as he has 9 roster spots open and one not open that woody would prefer to be open in acie. he really has ten spots to fill. i guess he can reconstruct any way he wants including getting his own coach, can you say doug collins?

i am not the grammar police and chuckle when one comes on because they usually have several errors in their first sentence to complain.

no telling what we will see next year. as a ticket season owner i will get it served up right in front of me.

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know you will doc…

doug collins would be a blessing…personally id entertain all offers… someone who will define roles and responsibilities…

the contrast between home and road is nothing ive ever seen before in any sport… i mean we dont just lose on the road.. we get embarrassed… with regularity…

i just think that Woody has done all that he can do with this team.. he probably was the best fit for “those” Hawks, but not “these”. there is a lot of talent on the floor, some dont even get out of their break-aways… i cant think of a reason why Solo (with that length and shooting touch, best shooting big on roster) and Acie (speed, handle, size) cant see the floor.. to me Woodson coaches scared…

the Hawks are in a position to excel but i dont think Woodson gets us there…

Hubie gave out a stat during the broadcast Sat. pertaining to our youth and playing experience relative to the Cavs and the other elite 8… we have a lot to look forward to, if and only if things are managed correctly…

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Ole shyt…

K- Mart Vs Cuban…

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4158987

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in my opinion.. Joe..

consistency, skill set, and accountability…

like Melo, Joe needs another piece, Melo has had AI and Billups…

if you can find Joe a running mate… we’d be in good shape (someone at this point in their career of equal value)…

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I just saw Joe snap on 11alive. He said the Hawks were just letting the Cavs walk right down and throw up uncontested shots. Who is to blame for this? I’ve been saying this for 3 years but the Hawks still need a force in the middle and Al Horford and Zaza ain’t it.

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correction, “at peace”…

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The Last Stand. Yes. It has come to that for the Hawks. Do they fight at home or give up? Lose now at home, clean out your locker and go fishing, or try to win now to lose in Cleveland.

I say the Hawks put up a spirited attempt like in game 3 but still lose.
Hawks cannot stop LeBron, and James is fuelling up his team. Dude has scored 108 points in 108 minutes in this series! A point for every minute he plays!

I pick Clevalnd to win a championship this year.

Gonna be a steady diet of LeBron tonite.

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finally they double team the pick and roll…!!!!!!!!!

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Good to love Houston. What a game! What a gutsy performance! LA never knew what hit them!

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if we are going to have a chance Joe has to guard Lebron.. Mo Evans is the 2nd poorest defender on this team…!!!

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newkid, someone earlier was suggesting that Sund should have done what Dmitroff did in is first year. And I was just sayng that they had vastly different misssions for their respective teams. ASG wanted BK because they claim that they like the idea of continuity. Sund made some nice additions but they were on the fringes. I agree that he didn’t need to tinker with the nucleus (featuring young, relatively inexpensive players) until he could conduct his own evaluation. We all assume that the “non-move” may have been a good one that may have resulted in more wins and a better chance to competein the playoffs. BUt what if he did something like signed and traded Smith to Memphis for Darko and Warrick? Again, I have no problem with him waiting a year to evaluate his roster.

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why doesn’t Joe just pull up for a 3 at the end of quarters?

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WTF @ Woodson’s “let’s try to win” pregame speech. He said the same thing before a road playoff game vs. Boston last year. Wtf is with that statement?

Marvin looks really frail. Needed LeBron to help him up. Anyone notice on that play where Marv and LeBron ended up on the ground, LeBron knocked Smoove’s hand away? Should’ve been a foul

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Wally: traveling violation… but know excuse to let him drive the lane and dunk…!

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mo is terrible

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