HAWKSVILLE - Actually, the Hawks have already earned the right to host the Miami Heat in their first round playoff series.
But I’ve been waiting three weeks to use that line from Will Smith’s hit song (courtesy of our friends at YouTube. And I promise, this is the last time I use the words “Will Smith” and “hit song” in that order in this space) about one of my favorite hot spots.
And while others were dreading the thought of facing Philadelphia and frightened by the prospect of dealing with a hard-to-figure Chicago team in the first round, the same team that has been on a collision course with the Hawks for months now will be the foe starting this weekend at Philips Arena.
I love the matchup (my main man Chris Perkins of the Palm Beach Post and I discussed as much the last time these two teams played). Who doesn’t want to see the Hawks face one of the league’s most dynamic talents in Dwyane Wade in a best-of-seven series?
You’re worried about playing the refs too, huh? Get over it. Wade is going to get his share of calls. The superstars always do. But that hasn’t ever stopped the better team from handling its business.
And if the Hawks are indeed the better team, as their record and performance all season suggests, we should be in for a treat with this series.
I love the individual matchups. Joe Johnson and Wade, the two All-Stars and national team colleagues trying to see who can one-up each other on the big stage.
Mike Bibby and Mario Chalmers, the old and the new at the point guard position going head-to-head like Bibby and Rajon Rondo did (well … anyway) did last year.
Josh Smith and Mike Beasley, if they’re allowed to match up against each other, is a lefty air-up-there showcase that we should all enjoy.
And Al Horford and Jermaine O’Neal will get a chance to settle any debates about the best center in the Southeast Division not named Dwight Howard.
The subplots are endless, as always with a playoff series.
The bottom line, any way you slice it, this is going to be must-see-basketball for the fans of both teams. And that’s what makes Tuesday’s sneak preview (the Hawks’ regular season home finale) so intriguing.
Do both teams rest their big dogs, knowing that they’re going to each other again in a few days in hand-to-hand combat? Or do they go for broke and pull out all the stops to win the game no matter what, making sure to send a message of what’s to come?
I love it.
But there are other things to discuss this …
AWARDS SEASON IS UPON US - In the NBA, that means teams are sending out swag and propaganda that defies these harsh economic times. The Hawks have opted for a much simpler approach, one that caught the attention of good friend and esteemed colleague Steve Aschburner of si.com, and a recent president and of my crew, the Professional Basketball Writers Association. In this age of multi-media and complex techno-gadgetry, the Hawks went with strictly the facts. And that resonated with Steve, as I’m sure it will with many others who are appreciative but tired of the gimmicky stunts teams pull to impress voters.
“Not only shouldn’t voters be influenced by that sort of persuasion, it flies in the face of true journalism ethics — at least for those newspapers that still abide by that stuff,” Asch wrote in an email to the Mad VP. “Besides, I’ve never figured out what sending an iPod or a GPS system to a voter does to make a stronger case for a player or a coach deserving an award. (Think some team sent the conference coaches a GPS system to lobby for an All-Star berth for somebody.) My theory is, if you want to bribe me, come with cash. Lots of it. Or don’t come at all!”
Classic stuff from one of the very best in the business. And I never did get my iRoy so I had to buy my own iPod.
SPEAKING OF AWARDS - Some of you have weighed in with your own feelings about the Hawks and who on the roster (and coaching staff) should be in the mix. Flips Murray’s a no-brainer for inclusion in the conversation about the Sixth-Man award. And a case could be made for JJ to be included on one of the All-NBA teams as well (per the scouts and league executives si.com’s Ian Thomsen polled for his take on the awards season).
As for our in-house feedback, there was a bigger stir for Hawks coach Mike Woodson than anything or anyone else. I wasn’t surprised that some of you emailed me concerning Woody’s status in the conversation (he’s rarely mentioned by any of the “nation” types despite having a familiar season and profile to one of the recent winners, Sam Mitchell formerly of the Toronto Raptors).
Two items really stuck out for me.
The first was an early morning/late night (how does 3:08 a.m. strike you) message from one of my most trusted voices about all things basketball, you can just call him Pop. “In my opinion,(of course),when you look at all the playoff teams Houston and Atlanta standout as the least likely to have done so well,” he wrote in an email. “Who has gotten more out of their talent? My point, [Houston's Rick] Adelman and Woodson should be at the top of the list of candidates for coach of the year (maybe Chauncey Billups if he had been named player/coach).”
As it stands, few people outside of this space predicted the Hawks would have a winning season, let alone home court advantage. And some of us here weren’t that positive. And to his point, Woody stands fifth on the Hawks’ coaching list for wins, only Richie Guerin (327), Mike Fratello (324), Lenny Wilkens (310) and Hubie Brown (199) have more than Woody’s (152 and counting).
One of our founding members, the one and only Astro Joe, didn’t hesitate to offer up his own fresh take on things Sunday evening. He raised some other interesting points in addition to where Woody stands in this coach of the year discussion (and he wasn’t shy so read his email word for word):
So I was thinking this weekend. One of the cool and refreshing things about Woody is his willingness to state a goal at the beginning of the season and essentially place his career on the line. Last season, he stated that the team needed to make the playoffs. The unstated consequence of failing to meet that goal was likely the end of his run as Hawks coach. After all, he was a lame duck based on his expiring contract. He enters this season, with only the security of a ratty blanket (two year extension) and he declares that the team needs to secure a home court playoff seeding. Again, with a new boss on board, the consequences of failing to meet that goal may have been yet another person visiting the Georgia unemployment office.
Do we see this in other cities and in other sports? It seems we often get generalities … the team needs to take another step toward competing for a title” or “if things break right, we should be able to improve form last year’s performance.” But Woody put it right out there on the line for all the world to see. Last year and again this year. How can a fan of any team in any team sport NOT admire a coach who declares the goal for all the world to hear and then gets it done? Yes, dude has some massive warts, but [expletive], that’s the kind of [gutsy] move that would make other coaches a cult favorite.
Now here’s the but. I hope that this team recognizes the fragility of this achievement, home court advantage. The Hawks are one lethargic first quarter from losing that which they fought 80 games to achieve. One game when they forget to share the ball from seeing this blow-up in their collective faces. They are two first quarter fouls on Horford or Smith from flip-flopping with the fifth seeded team. And because Woody abused his top 7 players with too many minutes, the team is one unfortunate injury from exposing an unprepared bench to maintain the advantage of having Game 7 in front of their sometimes rabid fans.
But all that said, I’m proud of my team and my coach. With five of the top 10 players requiring a new contract (even Marvin needs to agree to some deal or he may be chilling with Chill next season), I’m not taking this for granted and assuming a return to this level of prominence next season. Just like home court can be lost in a few minutes, so can the momentum built in the last two years be gone in a mater of a few weeks this coming summer. Thanks for being the record-keeper of a pleasantly surprising and fulfilling season.
Astro Joe
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Ariose
April 13th, 2009
12:40 am
Nice Blog sekou, Shout Out to Astro Joe!
Dante Fitzgerald
April 13th, 2009
12:50 am
aYo, Hawkz n 5!!!!
Ariose
April 13th, 2009
1:01 am
I don’t think the Hawks will fold to the likes of the Heat in the 1st round. We’re a lot better defensively(our scheme is too) than we were last season, We have more offensive weapons and better offensive sets. Not to mention a strong will to succeed. In front of the fans the Hawks will be almost unstopable. Just like their bold Head Coach, the Hawks probably already planned on getting to at least the second round way back in the off-season.
It’s game on now. With Everybody getting healthier Marvin/Zaza(He said his back is feeling better on his twitter today….and that he went to the gym and got some shots up), and hopefully Acie isn’t that far behiend, we will be a force to be reckond with.
I know that our bench hasn’t gotten consistant playing time, but I think that all of the injuries this season were blessings in disguise. It forced guys on the bench to get in there and get down with the big boys. They may not be fully prepared, buy they are defenetly ready for the challenge. Our bench guys this season defenetly have more experience and are a lot more prepared than the Bench last season. Acie, Flip, Mo, Solo, and Zaza is not to shabby. They will defenetly rise to the challenge when called upon.
There’s only one thing left to do guys….
RISE UP AND SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BarkingBulldawg
April 13th, 2009
1:07 am
Thanks for a nice blog, Sekou.
What can we expect from Marvin going forward minutes wise? Will Woody increase his workload a bit this week to get him into shape for the playoffs?
Ariose
April 13th, 2009
1:28 am
This is great. Hopefully all of the U of Florida fans in Miami will Convert to Hawks fans in order to support Horford lol.
I’m pretty sure there are plenty of transplant Hawks fans from Georgia living in Miami so there should be a small cult down there in South Beach!
……Now Flip Really gets to flip the switch in front of the nation in the Playoffs(GOON-Squad!!). I’m Excited!!!!
Ariose
April 13th, 2009
1:59 am
Wow the Miami Heat have Injuries to guard Luther Head (broken hand), forward Udonis Haslem (right thumb) and guard Daequan Cook (right shoulder).
Ummm…….Sweep? J/K………seriusly though, I’ll have my broom ready…
calico
April 13th, 2009
2:21 am
I like our chances against the heat but d-wade scares me but if what i seen on abc is true we have a legit chance to make it to the eastern conference finals if we beat the heat in the first round orlando is waiting for us in the second round and i really think we can beat orlando
Ariose
April 13th, 2009
2:30 am
“The Heat, which stands 1-2 against Atlanta this season, doesn’t figure to test the Hawks’ confidence in Tuesday’s game at Philips Arena, with it likely that Wade, Jermaine O’Neal, Udonis Haslem and other regulars will be held out.”
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heat-michael-beasley-s041309,0,7398782.story
Ariose
April 13th, 2009
2:31 am
48 wins here we come!
Najeh Davenpoop
April 13th, 2009
2:50 am
“Do both teams rest their big dogs, knowing that they’re going to each other again in a few days in hand-to-hand combat? Or do they go for broke and pull out all the stops to win the game no matter what, making sure to send a message of what’s to come?”
Normally I’m a supporter of resting players at the end of the season when playoff seeding has been decided, in any sport. But the last thing the Hawks need is for Miami’s inexperienced supporting cast to gain confidence that they can win at Philips right before the playoffs start. I think the Hawks need to win this game to show Miami that they are not going to win games at Philips. And considering that Marvin is just getting back into playing shape right now, it probably wouldn’t hurt for the starters to play extended minutes together in a regular season game just so they can regain their team chemistry.
“Who has gotten more out of their talent? My point, [Houston's Rick] Adelman and Woodson should be at the top of the list of candidates for coach of the year (maybe Chauncey Billups if he had been named player/coach).”
I said this on a previous blog but I’ll say it again — Woody definitely deserves some credit for the Hawks being at the point they are right now. But no way has he gotten the most out of the Hawks’ talent, particularly on offense. If you’re going by the “more with less” criteria, I don’t see how Byron Scott, Jerry Sloan or even Erik Spoelstra haven’t done more with less this year. All three have had similar situations as Adelman — relying on one superstar to carry the team while filling in the blanks for the supporting cast thanks to injuries and lack of depth. The Hawks by comparison have stayed relatively healthy and have been able to build up continuity with their starting unit for most of the year. I’m not just trying to hate on Woody here, but I find it hard to believe that Woody’s been dealt a worse hand than those other three coaches. I think more than anything the Hawks don’t get enough credit from the media for the talent level of the roster, particularly once you get past Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby.
Anyway, if I had a vote, I’d vote for Jerry Sloan every year until he wins. Jerry Sloan with no COYs is like Jordan with no MVPs to me.
Oh yeah, nice take Astro Joe.
Clyde
April 13th, 2009
3:13 am
The key to the series is can the Hawks stop Dwayne Wade from getting to the basket. Horford and Zaza better be ready to block some shots.
MannyT
April 13th, 2009
3:14 am
Sekou, nice blog as usual. However, if you don’t think all that propaganda has some kind of influence for some voters, you should have stepped into a marketing class or two.
Face it, one of the business icons of this town consistently makes billions selling flavored bubble water. It IS about the marketing and the branding when done well. Take a peek in the crowd at a game. How much Hawks swag is floating around for a team that is at the tail end of its first winning season in the 21st century? The NBA spends more time selling personalities than great basketball.
Swag is like pharmaceutical reps…neither directly sells the product, but both keep it in the minds of decision makers who can influence the cash flow. That’s why pharma rep is probably the most appearance sensitive job for people that are not in entertainment. That’s also why arenas are always tossing t-shirts and giving away magnets. We got your $$$–wear the shirt and get your pals in here.
If they teams that are promoting players for awards are smart, the combine the iPod with a mini video (or audio) of the players accomplishments from this season. The personal highlight reel should keep that player fresher in your mind. Even if he doesn’t get your top vote, maybe he moves up to 2nd or 3rd on your ballot instead of being left off.
Astro Joe brings up a good enough point that I will give Woody credit for being goal focused. The tricky part is at what cost? Would we be better off as a 5th seed that had developed its younger players so that the team is significantly better in April than it was in November? Woody has done some good, but he gets graded almost like amateur boxing in the Olympics used be be done. Last playoff season, the Celtics knocked the Hawks down 4 times in the fight, but they got up before getting counted out. We got in 3 good shots. Judge’s scorecard went to Celts 4-3, but it really wasn’t that close.
This year should be better as long as our major players have enough left in the tank for the playoffs.
BWAF
Mike
April 13th, 2009
8:33 am
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Westurd
April 13th, 2009
8:36 am
Heres a thought: Should Woody not put West on Wade Tuesday night and see what transpires. Bibbys a liability on D and West has the quickness and energy to shut Wade down. Should Tuesday night be a “test/experiment” with some match ups?
doc
April 13th, 2009
8:40 am
astro, preach brother, preach, and i say amen to that!
now maybe you can look for something other than warts on our true mr. mvp, josh!
heh heh
Khao$
April 13th, 2009
9:08 am
Bottom line is, we’ve got to protect home court. As long as Dwayne Wade is on that team, it’s possible they can beat us. I’m not in agreement that Philly would have presented a harder matchup. I honestly believe our zone defense would have stifled them in the playoffs. Look at what Detroit did to them last year! They stopped Philly’s game and made them take jumpers. You can only hope to contain Mr. Wade and he has the energy to pump up the guys around him. You cannot underestimate the effect a superstar can have on a team. Philly doesn’t have that and I believe, pound for pound we’re a better team than them. I believe we’re better than Miami too. However, the Wade factor terrifies me (plus the refs will be on his side…we know this). Joe MUST try to match him (if that is possible). I’m already worried about officiating in this thing.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:25 am
Did I miss something? ZaZa has a back problem? I understood it to be a light tweak. We need to have ZaZa ready for the playoffs. Great chance for Sole to get ZaZa’s minutes the next game.
I know it won’t happen but I’d like to see JJ come off the bench against Miami. I would love to see Mario start again and put him in on Wade. Then put Flip/Evans on Wade through the first half. Play JJ when Wade is on the bench. Then have JJ match Wades minutes the rest of the game and guard him. JJ could use the rest and the 2nd half match up would be fun.
Do you think JJ and Bibby should play about 25 min in the last two games even if means we lose? Or is momentum more important than rest. It would be great to see the bench get more involved in the last two games. I don’t think Marvin will play more than 20 min as we need to ease him back in.
It’s been great to see Al and Josh getting the ball and playing at a high energy level. Our playoff success on the road will depend on these two young studs. When these two guys are excited and pumped the entire team plays better.
Even with a healthy Marvin, (when that happens) I hope Mario continues to get at least 5-7 minutes. Same with Solo. We are slowly but surely rounding into a more balanced team.
Woody’s coaching style will probably dictate the opposite player substitution but what the heck, just ideas.
Astro Joe
April 13th, 2009
10:48 am
Ariose, thanks for the shout out. doc, you’re a trip. Sekou, thanks for putting my name in lights, I feel as famous as Young MC (one-hit wonder). But what’s up with the Will Smith diss? Funny, how many from the hip-hop world would give their right (rhymes with tall) to have Will’s money? I find it ironic that a gansta rapper like Ice Cube would follow in the foot-steps of a “wannabe” rapper like Smith. Will Smith probably made more money on that awful “Wild, Wild West” movie than Lil Wayne made in the past 3 years.
Regarding tomorrow’s game. I’d play my big dogs no more than 30 minutes. Sometime around the 8-minute mark of the 4th quarter, I’m pulling all of the top 8 players with the exception of Marvin (assuming he’s well enough to continue to work on his timing, energy and overall game). I don’t want our starters anywhere near Magloire toward the end of the game… I’m not calling him a goon, but, well, okay, I lied, I am calling him a goon.
doc
April 13th, 2009
11:04 am
one quarter and that is it for the first liners. get marvin some quality time. tell the young guys to go out and play hard and show me what i have been missing is how i wold handle the miami game. i agree with aj, dont put our guys in harms way to our opponent until it means something. now if dwade was going to get in the way of say of randmo, well that is his problem.
if the spurs can rest a duncan in an important meaningful game completely, then i think we can afford to sit some guys for extended minutes. they might develop bad habits from the game not meaning much.
John
April 13th, 2009
11:47 am
Sekou – great job as always. But…
“You’re worried about playing the refs too, huh? Get over it. Wade is going to get his share of calls. The superstars always do. But that hasn’t ever stopped the better team from handling its business.”
You watched the 2006 Finals, right?
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
12:35 pm
Just got a message from Speedy. Might play tomorrow and might be on playoff roster
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
12:42 pm
I agree, John. You know the league prefers a D Wade vs. LaBron series. The Hawks are going to have their hands full.
kgbsfinst
April 13th, 2009
12:52 pm
2 things are going to determine this series. Josh Smith and the refs. Smith was the one that helped bring energy to Philips last playoffs with some huge plays. Think about home court advantage, think about the crowd erupting so loud, it feels like the roof is coming off, think about what type of play makes that happen, and what player on this team can make it happen. Like SWAT says, Stern wants Wade Vs LaBron, kind of like he wanted the Lakers in the championship a few years back, not the Kings.
cp
April 13th, 2009
1:32 pm
The only regular starter that should see big minutes in these last two games is Marvin so he can get his rhythm back. I would send Hunter and Gardner out there and tell them to play some ball…….I think this series might be a lot tougher than some realize. I think it goes 6 games with us winning.
tiger woo
April 13th, 2009
2:28 pm
Mario West cannot/will not shut down D-Wade . . . trust me.
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
2:52 pm
tiger woo, no one said Mario is going to shut down Wade.
If you watch the sparse minutes Mario has played, he has done a fine job on Kobe, Deron, and others. Woodson only has been playing him about 7 minutes a game, so we haven’t seen much. Also, with Duck back, Mario’s minutes will be even less
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
2:53 pm
Hawks in 5, as Dante said. CHea
Melvin
April 13th, 2009
3:56 pm
Tomorrow game vs the Heat is meaningless (outside of extend our current win streak and winning the last home game). I say Woody shouldn’t play the regulars no more than 12 mins. 6 mins each half.
As for the Playoffs, those fans that are worry about the favoritism for D.Wade. I would like to invite you out to Philips arena during the playoffs and so you could take your fustrations out on the Refs during those games. As long as WE the Atlanta Hawks fans pack the arena and cheer the hometown team on, then we will put the pressure on the Refs to call the game fair or at least in favor for the Hawks. I will be there, screaming to the top of my lungs. Will you????
Go Hawks….
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
3:58 pm
Melvin,
To answer your question, yes I will.
Melvin
April 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
Good Swat Native. I think we can neutralize some of the favortism that D.Wade and Lebron will/would have received is to create a hostile environment for the visiting teams and REFS… 2nd round here we come…
kgbsfinst
April 13th, 2009
4:10 pm
Melvin, good point, I wont be able to because I live in another state, but I’m sure my neighbors wont like me because I will be cheering (yelling) at my TV.
Samuel
April 13th, 2009
4:13 pm
Cuz,
Gotta agree with Pop.
I also gotta say that the main reason Woody get’s no respect from the “Nation” types is that the “Local” types don’t give him any respect. Cuz, you are both(Nation and Local)show the man more love.
How does JJ get a mention and Woody not. JJ has been very inconsistant. Woody has been steady and unwaivering. Flip should get mentioned but by no means is he a no-brainer any more than Woody.
Joe, you have been my only partner in the Woody=COY campaign(sorta). Your email was good however, how is our achievement any more fragile than anybody else. Wade goes down or gets into foul trouble and the Heat become the Grizzlies. The same can be said for 90% of the teams in these playoffs.
Again, our Hawks will never be respected until we “fully” respect them ourselves.
Woody=COY
DeadManWalking
April 13th, 2009
4:22 pm
I wonder what ASTRO JOES lips are more sore from. His own little horn or Woodsons hindquarters.
DeadManWalking
April 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
What kind of stupid azz idiot thinks that national media doesnt respect a coach because local media doesnt. Local media goes off of national media. Woodson is the reason so many didnt expect the hawks to do well. Well that and the way this team has been managed.
jhan
April 13th, 2009
4:40 pm
Melvin, I’ll be at every game for sure!!
I’m also concerned with the refs – probably the worst season of officiating I’ve ever seen. Nothing we can do but be VERY loud for our Hawks.
Just a question – when the Falcons were winning with Vick did that make Mora a good coach?
Astro Joe
April 13th, 2009
4:41 pm
Samuel, clearly, any team is vulnerable if they lose their top stars. But in the case of someone like Acie, we seemingly don’t even have a viable 3rd PG. Our vulnerability seems to be more than just amongst our best player or 3. For all the love Mario gets, I don’t want him playing more than a few token minutes in a meaningful game. Same with Solo. If either has to play more than 6 minutes in a playoff game, then I think we’re in deep crap.
MBZ
April 13th, 2009
4:54 pm
I am more concerned with the off-season than our upcoming playoff series. Who is our future at pg? Will Acie finally lead this ball club? Will Childress come back to the team and make us that much deeper? Is this dysfunctional ownership group willing to spend the money to resign Flip? Looking at the draft, it seems Eric Maynor as well as BJ Mullins are falling into our range. Do we draft a project big and wait for him to reach his full potential? I’m a little scared that the guys on top arent willing to spend the cash to keep the momentum towards relevance going.
kgbsfinst
April 13th, 2009
5:21 pm
Most of the awards are a little bogus anyway. It would be nice if Flip and Joe would get something, but after Al didn’t win ROY last year, other than the MVP and defensive MVP, it’s more of a popularity choice.
The thing about Woody is, the playoffs will determine what type of coach he really is. I am not a fan of Woody, but if he out coaches his opponent and does a great job in the playoffs, I might be able to overlook his shortcomings. The thing is, he doesn’t have a good offensive scheme, he doesn’t play or develop his bench, and I don’t ever remember him making an adjustment after halftime. For those reasons, I don’t see a bright future for the Hawks if he is still the coach.
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
5:27 pm
The question is: if Speedy plays, do we just pay him for the game or does insurance cover it? Sekou, do you know? Also, Woodson does not mention Speedy for the playoffs
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
5:27 pm
Does Speedy practice with our 1st unit at all? From what he said last month, doesn’t sound like it. Woody said it himself: Acie isn’t healthy
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
5:58 pm
On the Hawks and Woody getting respect around the country: the announcer on NBA TV was asking Eric Snow last week if he felt that people were sleeping on the Hawks. Snow said that they won’t get real respect until they win 50 or 60 games; as long as you’re winning 45 you’ll only be “kinda known”.
Clyde
April 13th, 2009
6:00 pm
Since I said I would not say anything negative till the offseason, Hawks in 7 over Miami.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:02 pm
Speedy does practice with the team according to JS, and like he said on Twitter that he’ll get some playing time tommorrow (and he said that he’ll be on the playoff roster). We don’t have another pg besides Bibby. I’m all for him playing…
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:06 pm
Who cares what Rick Snow have said, because the Bulls is getting alot of respect with a 40-40 record. The Cavaliers have been getting alot of respect with only a 52-32 record in 2007. The Hawks will just have to earn there respect.
dap01
April 13th, 2009
6:10 pm
SEKOU: How much will Speedy be used? Is AC playing at all? What is ZaZa’s status?
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:14 pm
dad01
on twitter Zaza said that his back is better and he’s back working out with the team.
AtlSouthside
April 13th, 2009
6:17 pm
If the Hawks come out and play to full potential, it’s a Sweep. I don’t wanna see Wade shown any respect. If he comes in the paint I want him challenged and fouled hard if necessary. We need to make a statement. Make Wade beat us from beyond the arch.
Jo-Jo should attack early, he needs to take the first shot in the game for the Hawks. If Joe can attack and get some points in the paint, it will open up some 3-point shots for Bibby & Co.
It’s actually funny to me how the Hawks aren’t getting any respect from the national media. Everybody is blinded by D. Wade, under the assumption that he will be able to carry the Heat on back against the Hawks (a better TEAM) in a 7-game series
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:20 pm
what is the national media saying? that the hawks will fall in seven?
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
6:30 pm
Barkley and Kenny Smith called it a toss-up series – you never know what can happen with D Wade.
AtlSouthside
April 13th, 2009
6:40 pm
They are sayin that Wade can beat the Hawks by himself
jhan
April 13th, 2009
6:40 pm
AJ I can’t agree more about Mario & Solo. Unless they are playing extended minutes because we are blowing Miami out I’d rather see them cheering from the bench.
Until this team does something significant why should they get national pub? Having a winning record does not qualify. Win a couple of series & then we can make a case.
GO Hawks!!
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:40 pm
Barkley is inconsistent and I really dislike Smith. It was only one commentator that said that the Hawks would win at least one game, but we won three. I say that Hawks in six.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:43 pm
The Hawks are going to prove the world wrong again, and Wade can’t be the Hawks by himself. We’ve held him below his season average all the games that we played this year in Atlanta…
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
6:45 pm
I sometimes wonder if Kenny Smith is still bitter that the Hawks didn’t hire him as their coach. He was one of the finalists when they hired Woodson.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:47 pm
I dont know how many of you have twitter but you could follow me and some of the players (username: tigerworld37)
UGA
April 13th, 2009
6:47 pm
Speedy:
What if he “shocks the world” and plays like he did years ago?
Maybe Woody has a trick up his sleeve.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
6:49 pm
Swat Native
and five years later he’s still a commentator, not saying that he’s not making money but he’s not anyone’s coach.. lol
O'brien
April 13th, 2009
6:49 pm
“If we win the first round, we’re satisfied with that, but it doesn’t mean that if we lose the first round that, well, it’s a total disappointment,” said Sund.
Interesting comments from our GM. In my opinion, if we dont beat Miami in the first round, it will be very disappointing.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
7:03 pm
ESPN’s panel of esteemed experts, and the rest of the free world:
The experts have predicted 37 wins (10th place in the East) for the Atlanta Hawks. This number is …
38.6% On the money
33.7% Too low
27.7% Too high
Our dear friend, Mr. Hollinger, for ESPN:
Atlanta’s starting five might be the best in the division, but its bench might not win the D-League. Triangulate between those two extremes and you end up with a team that’s unlikely to repeat its playoff appearance of a year ago unless it enjoys an unusually good run of health, because the subs just aren’t up to snuff.
Sum it all up, and it appears this club is ready to take a step in reverse. The Hawks look like they’ll be stuck in the NBA’s netherworld — neither good enough to make the playoffs nor bad enough to get a high lottery pick — and with little young talent in the pipeline beyond the current starting five, they could be in this pickle for a while.
Prediction: 31-51, fifth in Southeast Division, 13th in Eastern Conference
MSN/Fox Sports:
As talented as Atlanta’s starters are, they can’t do it all. At some point, you’ve got to turn to your reserves and be able to rely on them for production.
That remains an issue down in “Hotlanta,” as they are truly only about seven deep. The rest of the bench consists of unproven youngsters and veteran point guard Speedy Claxton, who was unable to suit up all of last season and has only appeared in 42 games since signing with Atlanta in the summer of 2006.
With the pending improvements by multiple Eastern Conference clubs — including a few Southeast Division rivals — the Atlanta Hawks may have a tough time topping last season’s record. In fact, it may not be farfetched to suggest they could even take a minor hit in the win column.
Expect flashes of brilliance, the downside of a late-lottery selection, or the upside of a consecutive first-round exit.
Prediction: 37-45, third in Southeast Division, eighth in Eastern Conference
O Canada! Some Tim Chisholm guy of TSN.ca weighs in from Down North, eh?
That is unfortunately the sad state of affairs with the Hawks. For every step they take forward, the organization seems intent on sullying it somehow. This summer was a borderline disaster even if they managed to resign Smith. They got little help elsewhere on the roster – choosing to fortify a position already occupied by 40-minute-per-night starter Johnson – and they lost a key rotation player by trying to low-ball him contractually. What results is a team that has gotten worse, not better, after a 37-win season got them into the playoffs, an occurrence that is unlikely to repeat itself.
So that means that unless this team can pull off some sort of trade or find a new, heretofore unseen depth to their game, they are going to be returning to the lottery for another crack at improving via the draft. It’s a shame, too, because several young teams – Portland and Sacramento come to mind – would have loved to have used the chance to test out their core on the post-season stage so they could take the next-step as an organization. Atlanta, in the way that only they can, get there and decide to regress, perhaps feeling that too much, too soon is a bad thing.
Monsieur Chisholm also previewed his beloved Raptors:
By no stretch is this team in danger of losing ground to last year’s disappointing 41-41 record, as just the quality in the top-five should keep them above .500
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
7:04 pm
that was an article on Hawsquawk…
AtlSouthside
April 13th, 2009
7:28 pm
Yea its funny how all these commentator throw out crazy predictions as though they Gods of the game… And everytime they do it, they end up eating their words. We faced injuries with Al Hortford, Josh Smith and Marv Williams, and we still ended the season with a better record than last season, not to mention the 4th seed in the East. Our bench is deep and legit…and we couldn’t have made the improvements and adjustments without their contributions.
Jose
April 13th, 2009
7:31 pm
How can we blame our players or the coach if the GM sets the bar that low? A manager or any leader should never aim that low. It’s completely evident that the Hawks lack leadership all the way from ownership, management to coaches. Hey Mr. GM, we the fans are not satisfied by just winning the first round. We want to go beyond. And if first round is all you can see, then we need a GM who can see further. You may be the GM but we the fans own the team. Mr GM,some are only thoughts and are not meant to be spoken. Next time, please keep them to yourself.
GO HAWKS AND AIM HIGHER!!!!
SWAT Native
April 13th, 2009
7:39 pm
Macaroni Tony,
That reminds me an incident back when Shaq was playing at LSU. Dale Brown was the coach, and Bill Walton was commenting on one of their tournament games. Walton said that Brown left Shaq on the bench too long, and that’s why they lost the game, and why Brown had never won a national championship. Dale Brown flew to New York at his own expense to respond to Walton and told him that that’s why you’re a commentator on TV and I’m a coach.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
7:51 pm
Swat Native
i have never heard about that story, but I know it would’ve been funny…
Samuel
April 13th, 2009
7:53 pm
Mac T,
You should have thrown our local expert, Ando into that bunch. LOL!
Jose, wake up man. What’s wrong with realistic goals? If we exceed them, good, but let’s be real.
Joe, I feel you. hey that conversation got me to thinking. Outside of Boston, who would have the best team in the East if you took away their Star. IMO, it would be hard to argue against us not having the best team. Think about it.
Woody=COY
The Truth
April 13th, 2009
8:25 pm
To all of us who calls a spade a spade; I think it’s reasonable to ask that we all STAND DOWN on Woody (for now); especially in light of the upcoming payoff series with D. Wade and Company. Mainly because we don’t need the added distractions coming from the so-called sport expert-opinions who claim to have insider 411 on the Hawks inter-workings. All they really do is read these blogs and form their opinions based on unsubstantiated stories that are based on nothing more than theories, gossips, and speculations and not on any facts. Since the Hawks will be on the national stage during at least the first-round of the playoff, there will be much to buzz and talk about regarding this organization. Even though we could be on point as we reflect on Woody’s past coaching flawed decisions, we can’t deny Woody’s accomplishment of leading this team to a 4th seed playoff spot. That should earn him at least some degree of respect from even the worst critics. Having said that, however, I know there has been (and still is) a school of thought (on this blog) that any Hawks accomplishment will not be because of Woody but in spite of him; That line of thinking may still be valid, but that debate is for another time, but certainly not now. Woody doesn’t need to be reminded of the consequences of going out in the first round after all of the favorable odds of winning the series. In fact, what concerns me the most is the Hawks tendency to thrive when the odds are against them as the case in last year’s payoff but also the tendency to lay-an-egg with favorable odds has been their trademark as well. Remember those times when the Hawk played down to the competition and loss games they clearly should have won. Let’s hope they have grown up and learned from the experience including Woody. We shall see. Anything short of a victory in the first-round will quickly dissipate the enthusiasm.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 13th, 2009
8:47 pm
Looking back (and laughing) at the preseason predictions, I find it hard to believe that nobody in the mainstream media predicted how good Flip Murray would be as a sixth man. I mean, this is a guy who filled in real nicely for Ray Allen in Seattle when he got hurt and got major bench minutes for two playoff teams in his career before coming here. I liked the Flip signing when it happened (although I didn’t think it made up for losing Childress). I even wrote an email to Bill Simmons defending the Flip Mo squad when he declared in his preseason predictions column that the Hawks should declare “Feces Night” in honor of the supposedly crappy bench (he even indirectly responded to this in a later column). I still think he shouldn’t be playing point guard, but he has gotten a lot better at not hogging the ball as the season has gone along. They can say what they want about the rest of the bench, but the mainstream media is damn foolish for sleeping on Flip.
Macaroni Tony
April 13th, 2009
8:58 pm
I think the mainstream are damn fools in there predjudice Barkley and Smith made a beat that the Hawks would be better than the Timberwolves, so Barkley lost. But know that the Hawks have a chance to be good no one wants to give them a chance. I hate most of the media…
Eric
April 13th, 2009
9:00 pm
Speedy dressing for the last 2 games means he is on the playoff roster.
we have no backup pg, and we know Speedy is finally healthy. Good idea by Woody.
I agree about Sund. Why is his standard so low? His only goal for the year was to make the playoffs with a winning record. Wtf? Is his goal in 5 years going to be to win in the 2nd round?
MAC-TOWN
April 13th, 2009
9:14 pm
You guys think we should let bench players get the majority of the minutes in the last 2 games? I do.
I think they all should get JJ type of minutes…just to see what they can do….and it might build up confidence in players like Gardner, Acie, Morris, Solo, Mario etc. if they go out and have good/great games. I mean you never know how far that can go because you never know what will happen and whop you might HAVE to use in the playoffs for various reasons.
lol for some reason I believe that boy “Gardner” can light it up.
Dan
April 13th, 2009
9:40 pm
I agree with AstroJoe (in the main post). Woody has not been one of my favorite coaches– though it was never going to happen, I was hoping against hope that D’Antoni would wind up down here about a year or so ago– you have to give the man props for stating a goal and then going out and getting it. Also, the team HAS gotten better every year. Not all coaches could have hung with this group all this time and let it mature. Could you see Larry Brown doing that?
At the same time, there have been moments– personnel management issues– where Woody has, to put it mildly, not endeared and seemed sort of oblivious or tone deaf. Why does JJ start leaving a lot of his shots short at the end of the season (especially last season and this one)? Check the numbers. He’s being run ragged. A couple of guys off the bench have looked good at times– Solo comes to mind. Seems like that guy could hang a few regular minutes every game on a team that plays an undersized center and PF. And then there are the confrontations with Josh Smith and occasional remarks about what a pain in the ass the guy is to deal with. Maybe a bit too much emulation of his mentor Bobby Knight?
Now, I think Woody’s gotten better with the rotation over the years, but he’s still adjusting and learning– which is good, because he’s definitely much improved himself in his coaching and managerial skills it seems– but it also begs the question: would any other franchise have kept him around long enough to smooth out his rough edges? The management group is so occupied with finding out who it actually is, the business has been allowed to drift.
Anyhow, that’s all water under the bridge, now. Woody these days is a much better coach, and, while he perhaps deserved to be canned a couple of years ago, you cannot drop him now, not when the Hawks are here and real.
GO HAWKS!
Astro Joe
April 13th, 2009
9:45 pm
Samuel, you may be right. It certainly is debatable.
doc
April 13th, 2009
10:04 pm
samuel, i hear you only this is atlanta. you know, the home of the braves and bobby cox who has been demeaned for his outcomes now for over 17 years. now you are complaining that woody who has less than a year of success is being overlooked? you are going to have a long time of convincing folks is my guess. for some reason woody and josh are like lightening rods for discord and i dont think folks are going to change the minds easily.
Big Ray
April 13th, 2009
10:08 pm
I listen to what John Hollinger has to say, just like I do any of the other paid experts. Doesn’t mean I believe everything I hear, though.
The concerns about the bench are valid. However, what is being called into question here? Is it the caliber/talent level of the players we have? If that’s the case, then the finger-pointing begins and pretty much ends with the GM.
Like Najeh says, you can’t sleep on Flip. I’ll go a step further and say that Mo Evans has value and use as well. And I think Solo does, too. He proved it early on in the season (still don’t know what happened there). I think Acie does as well, but at this stage this is more opinion than consistent, proven fact. He simply has not played enough, due to both injury and, well….
But if it’s not the talent that Hollinger and others are criticizing, then it’s the use and development thereof. Either way, all comes to light in the playoffs. Our guys are used to doing the heavy lifting every night. There won’t be anything new there.
What WILL matter is how effective Speedy is if Acie isn’t ready to go, and how healthy Zaza will be. If he’s not healthy enough, are next guy up is Solo. Woody says he could be a major factor in the playoffs. Yeah, I believe it. Which makes me wonder why he hasn’t been a major factor during the regular season, especially with the injuries we’ve experienced. Oh well, it is what it is.
Ready to get at it!
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:13 pm
Can’t wait to see what kind of impact Speedy will have. I still think we ought to bench the starters. It would be interesting. Start ZaZa (if ready) Solo, Mario, Marvin and Speedy, Flip and Evans for the calvery. The rest of the boys with splinters to rotate in. In the second half, roll with the starters and go for the win. They are pros, can do 1/2 of a game.
Big Ray
April 13th, 2009
10:19 pm
MAC-TOWN,
LOL! I don’t know if he’ll LIGHT it up, but he damn sure will THROW it up! He’s torn up both the D-League and the Summer League, but we both know that isn’t evidence of greatness. Still, the guy has no fear. I dont’ think there’s a 3-point shot that he’s met, that he didn’t like. Of course, that may also be why he’s firmly glued to the bench. Woody’s not fond of guys that hoist threes all night long, even though two of his starters will do it night after night.
THE TRUTH,
I agree. Now is not the time to be all over Woody’s a$$. The playoffs are just about here. This team has achieved three particular goals so far, compared to the one of last year. This year, they’ve not just made the playoffs. They also managed a winning record and a good seeding.
I don’t know what Sund was talking about, to be honest. Personally, I see a first round loss in the playoffs as a disappointment. A second round loss? That’s different. But if this team was good enough to win 46 games or more during the regular season, then we’re good enough to win a first round series, considering we’re not facing the top three eastern conference teams. We SHOULD win.
I really wonder what it is that he means by that, or if I’m just trying to read stuff into it. Maybe Sund is taking some pressure off of Woodson by making that statment. You know, a vote of confidence that losing in the first round is not a death sentence. Of course, by saying so, one could also imply that perhaps he doesn’t think the roster is up to it. If that’s the case, one has to ask is that because of injuries, or because he doesn’t feel the roster itself is up to par? Ehhh, I’ll put that on the backburner for summertime, which I think will be more interesting than most of us anticipate.
In the mean time, I say win, win, win. Win that first round. Go for the second one too, but definitely win that first one.
Big Ray
April 13th, 2009
10:24 pm
You want to hear something funny? I wouldn’t care about having Mike D’Antoni.
The only advantage you get is on offense. D’Antoni hasn’t been around all THAT long. And it’s not like he made New York into an instant winner, though he SEEMS to be doing a better job than Isaiah Thomas was. I mean, Chris Duhon sure looks good in his system. So do some other guys. But that team isn’t going to win anything the way the roster stands right now. And do you know why? Because D’Antoni needs certain things for his offense to work right.
That, and he’s allergic to defense. Woody ain’t. Call me back when D’Antoni proves he can do what he did in Phoenix….somewhere ELSE. Life is rough without Steve Nash…
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:25 pm
It’s beed a fun year but I’m not ready to jump on the Woody band wagon even if we win the first two rounds. Just the fact he does not adjust to Bibby when he is getting torched bothers me. Then theres the nights when he is shooting lousy and still getting tourched. How do you not make a move. Before the great home stand there were games the front court couldn’t get a touch if they had $100 dollar bills attached to their ….. The only way anybody got any playing time besides the first 8 was due to injury. After a few of these he discovered some others suddeny had talent. I don’t want to see the man fierd but I wish someone with a little power would talk to him on a regular basis and work on this problem
swatguy
April 13th, 2009
10:26 pm
Joe, 30 minutes is too much for me. I’m pulling them in the first quarter and at the 6 minute of quarter 3. I’m asking a lot for Speedy to suit up too. Marvin would floor 40 minutes and attached to Beasley. Gotta get Marvin ready ’cause he will need to stick with LaBron in the second round.
Tuesday lineup:’Rio, Speedy, Acie, Solo and Marvin. With Gardner, Othello and Randy getting minutes.
It was good to seem Slim the other night.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:38 pm
Woody is hard core old school. It is very tough to get him to trust a player. But once your in his good graces you can screw up more than the guys who are coming off the bench. The only player that overcame this was little joe (Flip). He got a free ride from the start. Usually Woody sets the minutes at the beginning of each game and how each player will be rotated in and that my friends is how were going to do it. Only fouls or injurys will change that plan.
UGA
April 13th, 2009
10:42 pm
Which day and time slot do you all think Game 1 will be?
Last year the Boston game was 8:00, TNT, Sunday night.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:45 pm
swatdad, ZaZa, Marvin, Flip and Evans should be ok. They don’t play the minutes the starters do. I like the Speedy start. Why play Gardner and Othello, they will never get offf the bench in the playoffs anyways.
UGA
April 13th, 2009
10:50 pm
Let Joe, Bibby, Smoove, Al, and Flip get 20 minutes each these next 2 nights. Let the rest play it out.
Flip will be huge in this upcoming series, so will Mo. I see them guarding Wade quite a bit.
And how huge would it be to get Marvin back to form and somehow be able to get something out of Speedy?!
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:51 pm
UGA 8:00 a good guess – prine time.
UGA
April 13th, 2009
10:55 pm
That would be my guess too. Wade is a sure bet for prime time and our series may be the best in the East.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:56 pm
I’m hopeing Marvin will be fine by the playoffs or a couple of games later. Speedy is the suprise component. If he can still drive and kick and play defense, he dosen’t even have to shoot. Defense is the main thing. We have no pg defense. Them little fellers are to quick for JJ and Bibby……we know about Bibby.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
10:58 pm
Our biggest concern is ZaZa. We need at least 15 minutes of solid play from him every night. How many times has him and Flip came in and changed the game after being down.
UGA
April 13th, 2009
11:05 pm
Many of times.
I really thought Marvin was turning into our best back to the basket player on the block. We were starting to use him on several mismatches. Plus, he can make free throws. I thought a low post scorer was something we missed and he was becoming that.
Chalmers could be just like Rondo last year. Bibby just needs to keep him in front.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
11:07 pm
Like JJ said, he dosent want to lose his edge. I don’t have a problem with 20-30 minutes for the starters. I think the win is important. If they play Wade I think we got to play more. If Miami plays Wade limited minutes then fine. The win is the most important. Winning the last 5 in a row is more important than rest. Come playoff time they will be pumped and rest will be overated.
The accumulated rest of 35 minutes instead of 40 takes a season. One game or two makes no difference.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
11:11 pm
I agree, Marvin was cut down in his prime. Best ball he has ever played. Best driver on the team. As far as Bibby goes, he can’t keep anybody in front of him. If Bibby is hot he can outscore his counter part. Plus if he’s hot it is much harder to double JJ. If Al and Josh are playing good this also takes the pressure of of JJ. When JJ is not doubled – we kick .ss
SouthAfrican09
April 13th, 2009
11:17 pm
Big question: Is Mo back? Who doesn’t dress tomorrow?
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
11:20 pm
Lets go into dream world and assume Speedy returns to his former glory. Lets assume we resign everybody including Chills. I could see Speedy starting and Bibby becoming the sixth man player of the year like Jason Terry, with one of the deepest benches in the league. Get an old time grizzeled vet down low for a fourth big. Chance to become an elite team without many changes.
KevinA
April 13th, 2009
11:23 pm
Good question on who is is sitting. Who is Mo.
niremetal
April 13th, 2009
11:44 pm
You heard it here first – the Hawks should extend JJ and Marvin, let Bibby walk, let Speedy fill in at PG next year (his contract will expire next summer), and sign-and-trade Smoove and/or Chills for a big man and/or draft pick.
Then, use the gazillions in cap space they’ll have to make a run at one of the big free agents in 2010. With JJ and Horford guaranteed to be here, a LeBron/D-Wade/Bosh would give themselves a shot at a title. And with ATL being one of the hottest (in every way) cities in the country, this will be a very attractive stage.
Big Ray
April 13th, 2009
11:55 pm
Niremetal finally lets it out….
Big Ump
April 13th, 2009
11:56 pm
Is there is any bloggers out there who think that the Hawks accomplishment was in spite of HC have a pretty low or no basketball IQ at all.
niremetal
April 14th, 2009
12:05 am
Btw, the REALLY intriguing possibility is that Yao can also opt out in 2010. I know he has injury and stamina issues, but you gotta figure that he’s going to be looking for a quick title. The Hawks basically offer a slightly younger, slightly better, and much more durable version of what the current Houston squad has (JJ/T-Mac, Horford/Scola, Smoove/Artest). Not to mention that since T-Mac is a free agent then too, he might have nothing to stay around for. Hmmmmm…
Other potentially available A-list players include Nowitzki (although, like with Bosh, that would put us in a bind with Horford), Boozer (same), Amare (same), Okur (lesser player, but slightly better fit), Manu (don’t you get the feeling that he and JJ would have amazing chemistry?), and Rip Hamilton (better D than Manu, but Manu has better lead guard skills).
Steve Nash and Shaq will be on the market, but my guess is both will retire. There are also high B-list centers available like Camby, Brad Miller, Jermaine O’Neal, and Tyson Chandler. Also a few
Dante Fitzgerald
April 14th, 2009
12:07 am
Mayne, Hope these AJC peeps aint foolin us bout Speedy!! U know wat i mean??
niremetal
April 14th, 2009
12:08 am
Aaaaaaaaand back to Bankruptcy Law I go. G’nite!
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
12:10 am
People say Marvin is some star or something and that he’s improved, wtf? He was supposed to average 18 ppg and he avgs 14 ppg. Let him walk
Hawksfan
April 14th, 2009
12:44 am
Funny article on Bleacher Report
The All NBA Hate list: Celtics Fanactics Viewpoint
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/155202-from-a-celticsfanatics-viewpoint-the-all-nba-hate-list
Two of our starters made the list!
KevinA
April 14th, 2009
3:32 am
The best thing that could happen to Marvin is to get 14 ppg. Best thing that could happen to the Hawks is JJ getting 18ppg. Isn’t about points dude it’s about team balance. It’s about shot selection and shooting percentage.
Big Al and Josh are coming into their own. The Hawks strength is their dependence on no one player. We bow in admiration to the JJ effort in the last 4 years but now is the time to play team ball. Ball rotation and keeping a balance between the front court and the back court takes the Hawks to the elite status.
We know Bibby and JJ can win games on their own. We know ZaZa and Flip can dig our way out when the back court gets off to a slow start. But when we play our best is when Big Al and Josh get off early and often.
We have figured out that Evans, Mario and Solo have important contributions to make. It isn’t about numbers, dude, it’s about winning. Lets quit worrying about stars and kick some butt. If we get Woody to buy into this attitude, we’ll be even tougher to beat.
truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
5:03 am
Al Horford is not a center Sekou, but a power forward playing the 5 because ZaZa “I cant finish,watch this turnover,please give me a foul,”Pachulia our starting center; cant play the position and has been reduced to coming off the bench. The Hawks are a good team but wont get to the finals levels of the playoffs because you cant win in the NBA using a power forward as your center….Duh! Thats a no-Brainer….the Hawks need a center… the Hawks need a center… the Hawks need a center…The Hawks need a center…
truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
5:21 am
For all you Woody haters the Hawk are a decent team thats playing without a center. They are where they are because Woody has them playing at or above their talent level. That makes him a very good coach. Hate up on that!!
For you ZaZa Fans. Zaza is a scrub and would not make many NBA teams. He is a liability and has been reduced to coming off the bench. We now have a power forward starting in his place because he cant man the position.
The Hawks lose regularly to any team with a good center who can block or alter shots and intimidate. ZaZa does neither and other teams run down our throats. If the Hawks had a center Woody would get 55 + wins out of them.
Stop judging the Hawks with your feel good emotions and learn the game!!! In the longer playoffs series the game always comes down to a half court game. He who has center control will win. Period.
Za Za is a turnover waiting to happen.
il;jkljklj
April 14th, 2009
5:23 am
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Edo River
April 14th, 2009
7:08 am
Astro Joe, you are a true poet above the rim, if not with rhyme then with lofty sentiments and in-the-paint observations. I would like to think that the clear headed comments here come off the bench and give you the minutes in the spot light you deserve. JJ feeds it back to you instead of throwing up a hope for a 3. Its your chance. Your drive.
dap01
April 14th, 2009
7:29 am
Marvin could average 18 on a team with an offense that didn’t consist of guards that pound, pound, pound, dribble, dribble, (shot clock) shoot.
jake
April 14th, 2009
7:53 am
This is the best first round matchup of all the 1st round games if only for the media, celebrity, and nightlife. The way I look at it is this is a great matchup with the two best shooting guards in the east. D-Wade can score at will and defend with the best. Joe Johnson is a technician who could work the post and murder you from the wing. All the experts say that DW could win a series by himself, I’m just glad that JJ doesn’t have to. When it all boils down to it Al and Josh can and probably will carry the Hawks through the series. JO’Neil can’t keep up with Al in the open floor. Not to mention JO can’t score on big Al or keep him off the glass (13 boards in the first half of last game agains the heat). Josh Smith over the course of the series will dominate the rookie Beasly. Beasly is a good scorer and good rebounder but can’t dominate the paint as I’ve seen JS do regularly (defense and offense). Haslem gives them a little toughness down low but I think what a healthy ZZP brings kinda cancels that out. I don’t think Magloire or Solo get enough burn to really matter. Marvin’s BACK, and that spells trouble for Miami. Marvin is really at the one position that I trully believe Miami dosn’t have an answer for. Moon is to small, Cook is to small, and Wade is too busy. Marvin will live at the line in this series. I’ll take Bibby over Chalmers anytime. I don’t know much about their bench but if they are better than ZZP, Flip, Mo Evans, it can’t be much better. By me looking up and down these rosters I just can’t see how this is even close. Wade is good enouph to keep Miami in a couple of games but Miami gets tossed in five games.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:15 am
Edo, thanks.
Let’s see what Speedy can do to increase his trade value. Here’s hoping for a 24 minute performance with 7 assists, 3 steals and maybe 5 points. I recall watching him steal the ball from the Cavs during a rare healthy performance a few years back. He probably had 5 steals in limited play, it was amazing. Let’s see if he can become our X Factor during the playoffs.
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
9:27 am
Anybody mind telling me who the center was for the Pistons the last 6 or so years? The years in which they have not only made the conference finals like every year, but have WON A CHAMPIONSHIP. I’ll give you a hint, here has been 2 of them, I’ll give you another hint, THERE BOTH SMALLER THAN AL! In our starting lineup, we have 3 top ten picks, a 2 time all star, and one of the better defensive players in the game(who also happens to be a slam dunk champion). How our they playing “above their talent?” Also, how is it that he can get the 5 starters to play above their talent levels, but he cant get the other players, like Zaza, Acie, or Solo to?
One more question. Who was Bostons starting center last year when they won the championship? I’ll give you a hint, HES SMALLER THAN AL!
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
9:43 am
Truth serum,
Maybe you can teach me something about the game. What is our half court strategy? I see us with two players, Josh and Al, that can provide mismatches on the offensive end because of their speed and quickness, yet I don’t see us going to them very often. I see us taking a lot of jump shots, I mean a lot.
Having NBA league pass, I watch more games with the other teams commentators then I do the Hawks, and it seems almost all the commentators say that we take too many jump shots. They say the way to beat us is to keep a hand in the Hawks face when they shoot these jump shots. I guess all these analysts need to learn the game of basketball also.
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
9:45 am
Hawks 133
Heat 98
Thomas Gardner – 38 pts, 8 rebs, 5 asst (7/9 three point fg)
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
10:20 am
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
9:27 am
Apparently you can’t answer your own question and clearly don’t know basketball. When the pistons were serious contenders they had bill lambeer (check the spelling) some time later in their progression they used Rasheed Wallace. Last year the Celtics used Kevin Garnett and if you question his height then look at the picture of ZaZa in his face and you’ll see that ZaZa is looking up…pe-cu-liar (Za Za the human turnover is 6′11″). I do agree that Garnett is a power forward that spends time at the post but if you take note the Celtics added a true center to their rotation and he hurt us the last two games. To respond to your lack of understanding about the game, a center is not necessarily determined by height, (that helps) but how you play the game and your body weight also play a part. Boston now has a center that is not 7′ but is thick in the middle like kind of like a Moses Malone…
Al is a power forward, and will always be. If you want to see a center who is up and coming look at Grey with Chicago or that center coming off the bench in New Jersey, Lopez. Look at the Rookie number 55 with the pacers. Those are true centers that will at some point have an impact in the NBA. Id trade Zaza peculiar for either of them. Where is Marcus Camby? The rockets were smart to resign Mutombo (we could have got him and he’s much better than the human turnover Zaza.
As far as playing at or above the Hawks talent level. Bibby is on his last leg and is a liability defensively. Joe Johnson is a star and a solid player but not a SUPERSTAR. Josh and Marvin are just now beginning to understand the game and have been young, project developments that are now coming into their own. Al is in his second year, kgbsfinst; being a first round draft pick does not equate to wins in the NBA but rather potential.
Yeah, Woodson is done a first rate job and that without a center. The Hawks are playing at or better than their potential.
Before you sponsor quizzes and contest, first learn the game. Also, we are men; learn to think with your head not with your emotions. In 99.9% of the cases you don’t win the finals without a center.
“Just keeping it real.”
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
10:25 am
Kendrick Perkins is smaller than Horford? Didn’t know that
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
10:25 am
We need Marvin to attack the basket in this series. He CANNOT settle for jumpers
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
10:35 am
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
9:43 am
The Hawk are a run and gun team and have a problem in the half court because we dont have a center to go to and Josh Smith prefers the three point cinderblock over the slash and in kgbsfinst face dunk! Our game is athleticism and speed.
If You have an intimidating center to enforce control of the middle then your guys can take it to the rack like the other teams with centers do to us.
Since we dont, its bombs away. Shooting can slump but finishing in the paint doesnt.
Who is arguing that we shoot outside too much?
Even the Hawk hating commentators got that right. But the question is why?….Hawks need a center, Hawks need a center, Hawks need a center!!
Thumbs up to the Flip Man!!
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
10:52 am
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
9:27 am
Za Za is playing at his level, scrub! Acie is hurt and a project, Soloman is a CBA player who is too light in the pants to play the low post…why dont you keep your mouth close and let me think you are ignorant rather than open it and confirm it.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
10:58 am
Truth-Serum, you can play effective half-court offense WITHOUT a true center. And until recently, Smith has in fact reduced his 3-point shot attempts. If the Hawks have struggled with their half-court sets this season, I think you have to consider the injuries to the front court. Marvin has missed around 20 games, Horford & Smith around 12 each. Those guys are still perfecting their half-court skills so when they miss time, it really hurts. And it forces over-reliance on the vets with proven half-court skills… JJ, Bibby & Flip. Indy has a huge front line but Horford and Smith feasted on them last week. I still say that our front line (when healthy) can more than hold their own against the vast majority of teams in this league. We do need a “part-time” defensive center but I ain’t mad at our starting front-line as a collective unit.
jake
April 14th, 2009
11:14 am
Mike Woodson will have a job somewhere in the league for a long time. The way he hung in with the Hawks and made them a winner is remarkable. He’s made JJ a bonafied star in this league. He got JS to recognize that he changes the game defensively with his energy on the ball, in the passing lanes, backside help with blocks and altering shots, and he is still the only one on the team that attempts to take a charge. Coach got Marvin to improve his range, defense, and rebounding. He’s done an outstanding job with Al “BOSS” Horford. Al didn’t just come into the league knowing post position, defensive rotations and schemes. As much as some people hate it, he also let Bibby do what he do. Bibby’s not the best defender and his shot isn’t always working but, he does NOT give the ball to the other team, unlike every pointt guard that we’ve had since Mookie. As far as his bench, he gives Flip minutes because he earned them. He gives Mo minutes because he earned them. He gives ZZP minutes because he earned them. Acie looks like he isn’t interested, Mario and Solo are situational type players (six fouls each). Gardner, Hunter, or Morris have no business in the league right now. As for Craig, you can’t tell me that he isn’t satisfied getting a check every week sitting in street clothes. This bench is NOT as deep as people want to make it seem. He don’t have a lot of options there but his 8-9 man rotation is as effective as any in the league. This team has a lot of weapons, but it ain’t like Woody just rolled the ball in the gym and said “have at it”, this guy have done a great job.
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
11:17 am
AJ,
I agree we need a part time center.
Truth-serum,
Dunk in my face? Really? I was willing to banter with you a little, but after that, never mind.
Not too many people, including myself, want Zaza to start, and I would take Josh and Al over Al and a Kendrick Perkins type any day of the week. We can win with this starting lineup, we don’t need a starting center.
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
11:19 am
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
10:58 am
Theres nothing wrong with hope.
I dont disagree with you that the Hawks are competitive and can play some half court games against the lower tier teams but not against the Celtics and Spurs, Lakers and Cleveland. Against those teams we will be shooting jump shots.
The bottom line is you wont win the title whether NBA or conference without a Center.
You and I agree on the point that the Hawks need a center. Like you, I like this team. It has the nucleus to win it all with a couple pieces added…a center(like a Camby) and another option to complement JJ(Amare Stodimire), and with good health, the Hawks can win it all. But it aint going to happen without a center!
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
11:28 am
Jake,
Your right about pretty much all of it. My biggest concern is that you need more from a head coach. What about our offensive scheme every night? What about during the game?
I think Woody is a great assistant coach, because he does do a good job helping develop his players. He just doesn’t do a great job during the game.
jake
April 14th, 2009
11:29 am
Al “BOSS” Horford is a center. Been playing it at a high level for two years. Has excelled there defensively and on the glass. Show me one center that has outplayed him (Howard), and I’ll show you three that he has outplayed (JO’Neil, Dalembear, Okefor). He may be one of the top 7 centers in the league and two Gasol and Bynum are on the same team.
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
11:31 am
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
11:17 am
Sorry your feelings are hurt. I did not mean to hurt your feelings. I just wanted to make a point about the game and its tenacity. Do you think we can drive the ball on that center from Orlando? Want to bet we turn to the jumpers against him? Its amazing how a true center changes the scope of the game. Howard is an enforcer and opens the middle for his team. Za Za is a proverb in turnovers.
Like I said before; Woodson has the Hawks playing at or above their talent level.
Just keeping it real.
Flip is a beast and will drive on any one!
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
11:33 am
jake
April 14th, 2009
11:29 am
Horford is a pf not a center. He was in college and is in the pros. He always will be. He plays the 5 spot because Z cant. Z is our center who is now resigned to coming of the bench. A year ago he was a starter.
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
11:44 am
jake
April 14th, 2009
11:29 am
Horford is a power forward who is forced to play the 5 spot because Z cant. Z was a starter a year ago and has been in the NBA for 5 years. Just face it, hes a scrub and has been demoted to a bench player. I think he leads the league in turnovers for a center.
Thumbs up Woodson and Flip!! kgbsfinst,jake Stop the hate!
Dont hate, Congratulate, Woodson on an OUTSTANDING JOB!!
jake
April 14th, 2009
12:14 pm
Truth-serum, I just listed numerous of reasons to appreciate the job Woody has done. I could go on some more but I’ll leave that to others. NOT hatin’ on Woody at all. It does seems as if you are hatin’ on the mindblowing work that “BOSS” is puttin’ in. I agree that he isn’t as big as some of the others but not only does he hold his own he excells. I think what we need is an upgrade over Solo. Most good teams have about four to five BIGS rotating not three.
jake
April 14th, 2009
12:20 pm
Not hatin’ on Woody at all. It does seem like you’re hatin’ on “BOSS”. The guy has held his own and excelled most games. Been solid as a rock the past two years without adequate backup. Upgrade over Solo helps this team more than ANOTHER starting center. Most teams used four to five BIGS not three.
jhan
April 14th, 2009
12:23 pm
Truth – ZaZa doesn’t start because he’s not starter material. He’s actually a very good bench player. Is everyone who doesn’t start in this league a scrub?
Who in this league takes it to Howard? That’s a pretty poor example. You make it sound like there are plenty of Howard types around so we should just go get one.
While we’re at it we should get a Chris Paul clone. He would help us also.
I’m not much of a Woody fan either – but I’ll give him credit for what he’s done this season. Results are what count in this world & right now his team is providing positive results.
Perhaps his team of young studs is making him look good – instead of him making the players look good. Ever thought that might be the case? Probably not from reading your posts.
jake
April 14th, 2009
12:30 pm
Add another BIG and you you get a better rotation in which coach can trust. It will also add alot more flexibility to the lineup. As it is now, the only true backups to JS are already in the starting lineup (Horford if we go big and Marvin if we play small). As I said before, not many options.
jake
April 14th, 2009
1:04 pm
Let’s pray for an injury free game for both clubs. Would love for both teams to be at full strength this weekend. Miami is riddled with injuries and Acie is probably still on the shelf. Hope we all get healthy.
O'brien
April 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
I read on ESPN that the Cleveland Coach addressed one of his shortcomings last offseason. He hired an assistant coach, who became the offensive co-ordinator.
Who is the Hawks’ offensive coordinator? I think Woody needs to hire one for offense, and Woody can focus on the defense.
Truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
3:00 pm
jake
April 14th, 2009
12:14 pm
I appreciate you. I think Horford is a budding superstar and one of my favorite players. If he is not now, he will soon be, one of the top 3 or 4 power forwards in the game. Don’t misconstrue me on that. I’m just calling apples, apples and centers, centers. Al plays the 5 because Z (who was our starting center) cannot.
Al is a power forward who can give you minutes a 5 spot as can most good pf’s.
jhan
April 14th, 2009
12:23 pm
Z makes far too many turnovers and can’t finish in the low post consistently. He is not an intimidating force and other teams run down his throat!
He has lost his starting position. He hurts with his turnovers more than he helps with his…humm..? Picks? Z is a center albeit not a good one. That’s what makes him a scrub.
I agree with you that Howard is a force and a true center. I just listed three youngsters that we could get to raise our level of play and build for the future simultaneously.
Please read my 10:20 posting.
Chris Paul is a great player but his talent won’t enhance the Hawks as much as a good center will. Flip is assurance that we won’t slouch at the 1 position. Between Flip, JJ and Bibby we have the backcourt at the ready. We need a center. I agree with you how many minutes a new center gets will be Woodson choice as he decides how to utilize his resources based on the game style of the opposition. Right now his options are limited. With a legitimate center the Hawks may win 55+ games. I also agree that if I had to choose between Z and Solo Id choose Z, but that’s like choosing between castor oil and ex-lax either one would be some….
jake
April 14th, 2009
12:30 pm
I like this post Jake. The only problem is Horford is a Power forward and Josh is a small forward. You are confusing what going big is by calling Horford out of position. He can only give you minutes at the 5 position but he isn’t a true center, but a perfect power forward. We don’t have much of an option to go big.
You will need to understand that to appreciate the job Woodson has done.
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
3:19 pm
Acie is on the shelf, and so is ZAZA. Micah Heart said they were both probably out for precautionary reasons though(zaza was at the walkthrough this mornong). Mo will also be missing the game with his family situation.
That means More time for Flip, Solo, Speedy, Randolph, Thomas, Mario, and maybe even Othello.
At least our starting unit is intact………sheesh.
jhan
April 14th, 2009
3:29 pm
Truth – Josh is certainly not a true small forward. His dribbling & shooting skills are below par to start there. He can “give you minutes” there but not as a starter.
If we get legit beef at center, move Horford to PF (which I agree with) that will leave us with 3 guys who need to operate in the paint. Won’t work in this league. Very easy to defend & not enough room to operate.
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
3:33 pm
Oh Lord, Micah is recording a podcast with John Hollinger as we speak. He asks if we have any questions for hollinger. unfortunately I don’t have a twitter account to respond(and i’m working on a presentation right now so I haven’t the time).
If anyone get’s around to it. Make sure you tell Micah to Make Hollinger apologise to all of the hawks fans
1)For Being WRONG
2)For hatin’ on the home team
3)For showing his face in the streets of tha ATL after his shoddy predictions and his factually flawed ab baseless prediction that the Miami Heat will beat the Hawks in round 1.
4) Ask him why he continues to pose as a real Hawks fan when he’s reallly just a fairweather bandwagon jumping STATboy.
5) Ask him to move to Miami or ESPN headquaters in Conneticut
Here’s the linke to the official Hawks Twitter:
http://twitter.com/atlanta_hawks
icalhoun
April 14th, 2009
3:35 pm
Sekou, your boy Steve Aschburner took a shot a Mario today:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/04/14/awards/1.html
Set him straight.
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
3:37 pm
Oh, and Hollinger is a poo poo head, just like Barkley for betting that the Hawks would have a worse record than the Timberwolves(why we let Chuck walk the streets of Atlanta after that comment is beyond me…..he should go cover Auburn basketball or something….)
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
3:45 pm
…….Forget it, I just created a Twitter account. I just couldn’t let it go. Hollinger needs to own up to his idiocy.
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
3:58 pm
Playoff roster:
Joe Bib Marv Smoove Horf Flip Mo ZaZa Speedy Mario Solomon Randy
That’s a pretty darn good lineup! Woodson, do NOT put Law on the roster!
Once you set playoff roster at 12, can you change it during postseason?
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
4:08 pm
speedy only playing 7-8 min toinght arghhhhhhh
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
aroise my twitter account is tigerworld37
I sent a message to Micah (about his bad commenta) early…..
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
4:16 pm
Aroise what’s your user name, my username is tigerworld37
I sent Micah a message earlier (about the Hawks)
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
4:28 pm
Micah mention a comment that I posted on twitter. Micah also mention about that fact Hollinger predicted the Hawks would have a worst season. But he said that bench would be horrible, but the bench was better than expected.
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
4:30 pm
Tony, My username is JazzHop
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
4:37 pm
On the Podcast Hollinger said that Hawks should beat the Heat in five or six games.
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
4:39 pm
Ariose I couldn’t find you…
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
4:45 pm
Tony I found you
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
4:46 pm
I asked Micah my questions but I was too late lol. But since Hollinger has changed his tune i’m not too mad anymore lol.
mred1943
April 14th, 2009
5:26 pm
GREAT JOB BILLY FOR ASSEMBLING THIS TEAM
GREAT MIKE WOODSON FOR AN OUTSTANDING COACHING JOB
GREAT JOB RICK SUND FOR ADDING NEEDED VETERANS TO THE TEAM
GREAT GREAT JOB ATLANTA HAWKS PLAYERS
GREAT JOB ATLANTA SPIRIT ESPECIALLY THE GEARINS
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
5:37 pm
Ariose I see, boy I see why twitter is additive
Ariose
April 14th, 2009
6:00 pm
Tony, Who you tellin’ lol.
truth-serum
April 14th, 2009
6:15 pm
jhan
April 14th, 2009
3:29 pm
I agree with you that although Josh is a small forward he can also play power forward. He needs to improve his shooting in the off season where its not such a handicap to the team. He doesnt need to dribble like a point or two guard Just slash to the basket. He slashes as good as or better that anyone in the NBA!
ENJOY THE GAME HAWKS NATION!
bigdave
April 14th, 2009
7:04 pm
“…get a chance to look at guys like, Solomon, Thomas Gardner, Speedy (said it real fast with a bit of sarcasm in his face) will be in action tonight…”
-Coach Michael Woodson
funny stuff
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:06 pm
Uh Oh…Solo got on the headband…he bout to show out tonight!!!
Sautee
April 14th, 2009
7:09 pm
mred1943
Nice post, Little Mike!
Blast
April 14th, 2009
7:12 pm
Hawks vs Heat. Ist Round. This was my dream matchup, and I don’t care what anyone says or how refs call it, Hawks are winning that series.
Tonight, I say just match Miami starters minutes. If Wade plays more, then play Joe a bit more. Game might not mean anything, but I still want the Hawks to win it, especially on their home floor.
Josh might turn out to be the most exciting player in that series for the Hawks. I expect Al to have a monster series.
Barkley? Kenny Smith? Bah. They the most guilty all year about not respecting the Hawks. But Hawks have to earn respect, it’s not given. Win a series or two and people start to talk.
If Speedy can play and contribute in any way, he could be Hawks secret weapon.
bigdave
April 14th, 2009
7:12 pm
the Hawks will face both D-Wade and LeBron…. great preparation for Lebron though he his a different animal…
they brought out the head bands tonight… damn, even Joe has one working…
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:14 pm
nice move by my josh smith…he needs to to more like that
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:14 pm
lmao…..its serious **** goin down when ya boy JJ is in the headband…
Blast
April 14th, 2009
7:19 pm
I see Wade and Jermaine are not playing.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
7:23 pm
I appreciate the try at solidarity… but the headbands look straight goofy to me. But again, I appreciate the attempt at team unity… even in a meaningless game.
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:24 pm
Beasley is scary for us
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:25 pm
They regulars are just going thru the motion. Its time to get them out of the game…. Oh my, Speedy is on the court in uniform….SPEEDY, SPEEDY
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:26 pm
Speedy first shot was rejected…lol
bigdave
April 14th, 2009
7:26 pm
got it blocked but i like the burst…
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:26 pm
speedy got his shot sent…..but it looked like he had a nice burst to the rim
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:28 pm
Please take Horford out the game…
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:29 pm
I see all eyes are on Speedy…lol
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:30 pm
Dang, Speedy only plays 3mins… Woody, let him play to his knees give out again…
MannyT
April 14th, 2009
7:34 pm
I think I’m glad that I gave this ticket away.
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:34 pm
Whats the use of having Marvin in the game if Flip is going to shoot every shot down the court. Beasley a double double in the 1st qtr. WTF!
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
7:40 pm
rim so unkind to my boy thomas gardener
Blast
April 14th, 2009
7:47 pm
That’s what I meant by Marvin coming off the bench, and Mo continuing to start. Marvin will kill the other team’s bench.
I like Gardner. He’s had like three steals already. I like his energy and hustle. And he plays like a scorer.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
7:48 pm
Yeah, where are all the people who think Beasley is a laugher.
Man, Gardner looks kinda good. Missed his tear-drop shot, but the move was solid.
Hey! A Speedy sighting! Elijah and Shaunty must be doing their happy-happy dance right now…
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
7:49 pm
Dominique: Beasle Odonis Haslem
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
7:52 pm
I wonder if JJ is entertained by the “young guys running wild” out there. Sure looks like he’s laughing it up on the bench.
Can somebody show Mario West where the yellow brick road is? He might wanna see the Wizard about a jumpshot.
“If I only had a shot….”
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
7:53 pm
Will Flip allow any of his teammates to shoot the ball… Better yet, why is he playing so many mins. Put Speedy back in the game. He has seen enough games from the bench the past 2 years…
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
7:55 pm
RandMo looks like he is walking in cement. Soft touch on his shot… but the lateral quickness of a refrigerator.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
7:57 pm
Oh Gardner ain’t scared to shoot, no sir…you want that out of a scorer though.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:00 pm
LOL at Astro Joe…
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:00 pm
Solo must be one of those guys who plays well with good players surrounding him, because I kind of expected him to distibguish himself but he really hasn’t done so (yet). He has shown nice flashes with the “main guys” but not so much tonight.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:01 pm
Heh heh, at least RandMo can get some rebounds.
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
8:02 pm
This is the most unimpressive game I have ever saw Solo play.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:02 pm
Flip is going for 82 tonight.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:03 pm
82 shots.
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
8:04 pm
Astro, theres not too much Solo or anyone who name is not Flip can do on offense. Flip is getting all the attempts. Others better hope to get a rebound or pick up a lose ball if they want to shoot it…
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
8:04 pm
I think a dude like Gardener just needs more PT and confidence, he could be a pretty nice bench player.
MAC-TOWN
April 14th, 2009
8:06 pm
Flip Murray is gonna pull an A.I. tonight.
The fact that he scores 40 or 50 will look nice on sportcenter….but only if people looked at the box score to see that he attempted 90 shots.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:07 pm
Gardner is playing well tonight. Of course, he is behind JJ, Flip and even Mario on the depth chart.
kgbsfinst
April 14th, 2009
8:08 pm
Aroise, is that the same Hollinger that says Brandon Roy is should be the “most improved player” winner?
Sautee
April 14th, 2009
8:12 pm
Gotta say it…..Joe looks like a middle schooler with that headband on. Hilarious.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:14 pm
Sautee, LOL! That’s exactly right… like a kid hoping for cafeteria pizza.
Blast
April 14th, 2009
8:20 pm
Beasley is a beast. If I were Miami, I would start him in the playoffs.
Flip needs to slow down and move the ball more often, although in truth, out of the bench bunch, who else would you trust to take the shot? Flip would be my pick. But he must stop turning the ball over. He’s driving in too deep and getting stripped. Pull up and shoot, Flip. I’ll take that anyday.
We need Marvin back to play some major minutes.
I see why Randolph Morris gets no playing time. Dude can’t move his feet!
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
8:34 pm
Perfect take down Maglorie… Get Horford out the game before he get flying drop kick…
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:42 pm
Let’s go Solo.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:42 pm
Um…did Solo just hit a three? If it wasn’t the end of the season, I’d say he was about to get exiled to the bench for at least 20 games….
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:44 pm
Speedy gots no legs! Oh wait…that ain’t nothin’ new..
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:45 pm
Melvin,
Magloire has been taking lessons from the Tonya Harding school of sabotage.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
8:45 pm
Marvin looks like he isn’t concerned about his back. He’s still rusty but he doesn’t look timid. Hopefully he’ll be ready to make a contribution by the time the series moves to Miami.
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
8:46 pm
Its a shame that Speedy has rotten away on the bench this year. He was clearly able to play this year…
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
8:53 pm
Hope you’re right, Joe. We will need him.
Blast
April 14th, 2009
8:53 pm
I don’t think Chambers and Beasley will be able to continue with their offensive outburst here in the 4th. They’ve played a lot of minutes that someone like Beasley might not be used to.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:00 pm
Kinda got caught up in the idea that Hunter would never see the floor this year, and forgot just how good/smooth he looks. His footwork is nice, on both ends of the court.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:01 pm
Blast,
You’ll see something different in the playoffs. Beasley will probably start (or at least play a large amount of minutes), but he probably won’t get hammered with the kind of minutes a guy like JJ has to log.
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
9:08 pm
Oh my, Flip with a pass… I can’t believe my eyes… Now can Woody give him a rest. No need for our 6th starter to play 40 mins in this game… We wan Speedy….
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
9:08 pm
‘Nique actually made a worthwhile point earlier, Beasley will have to guard a more forbidable offensive player during the playoffs. He can’t just focus on offense when he’s guarding Smith or (hopefully) a more healthy Marvin. He’s averaging something like 25-12 in his past 3 games, so he is definitely ballin’.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:08 pm
Good to see our young bench players out there getting done against Miami’s bench…with Flip babysitting of course, but all the same.
Good job by these guys.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
9:09 pm
formidable (as opposed to forbidable)… LOL… I did a ‘Nique.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:10 pm
As Sautee just mentioned to me, where are these offensive sets coming from? We haven’t seen them all year!
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:10 pm
Lol @ Astro Joe
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
9:11 pm
Dang. Mario miss his chance to be on sportcenter. Better yet, he messed up Flip best pass of his career…
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:11 pm
Dwayne Wade looks like an old, English professor in those suits he wears. They got funny colors, probably has elbow patches, and those weird bow ties. Wade needs a fashion consultant!
Gardner just had another steal.
Hawks full bench playing against Heat’s bench. Hawks winning so far, so the bench cancels out. Leaving the starters, where Heat has Wade, O’Neal, and maybe Chambers. Hawks have Bibby, JJ, Marvin of Mo, Josh and Horford. I will take our lineup anytime.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:12 pm
4 steals for Gardner. Kid’s got some quick hands.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:13 pm
Blast,
Wade probably lost a bet with Barkley…that explains the clothes…heh heh heh
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
9:15 pm
Enter your comments here
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:16 pm
Looks like two D league teams playing tonight. No one can buy a basket! Still a fun game, though.
Melvin
April 14th, 2009
9:16 pm
My goodness. Hawks trying to end the regular season in dramatic fashion….
Sautee
April 14th, 2009
9:16 pm
Wade dresses like Mars Blackmon!!!!!
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:22 pm
Hawks dodge a bullet tonite. That last play where Miami got 5 cracks at the shot could easily have been a Hawks foul. Wonder how the refs will call that in the playoffs.
So Hawks won this game playing their full bench for the most part?
Nice win.
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
9:23 pm
10 win improvement on the season!
Loathe the coach – Love the results!
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
9:23 pm
Hey! The bench won the game! No REALLY! #47! I’ll take it!
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:28 pm
Ray,
You called it on the fashion statement!
Hawks award up next!
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:29 pm
Joe wins that shi.t every year, man.
Blast
April 14th, 2009
9:42 pm
Can anybody say great coaching and substitution by Mike Woodson?
jake
April 14th, 2009
9:47 pm
Everyone should dress like ZZP.
Sautee
April 14th, 2009
9:58 pm
I wonder if “babysitting” was part of Flip’s contract?
Ken Strickland
April 14th, 2009
10:03 pm
Good win tonight Hawks. With one gm remaining in the season, I’ll say congradulations to HC Mike Woodson and the Hawks. This has been a very rewarding season overall. I’m looking forward to the playoffs this weedend and I know we’ll be victorious. GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND YOU HIGH FLYING HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Macaroni Tony
April 14th, 2009
10:23 pm
I happy that we’ve won ten more games than last year. Good game tonight, hope that Speedy suprise alot of people this year.
Eric
April 14th, 2009
10:37 pm
Hey quick question:
The 12 man roster set for the playoffs: Is it flexible? Can players be removed from the roster and replaced with others (Law/Claxton) if the player is already on the team?
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
10:39 pm
Nice article on Woody. Glad to see the big guy is shooting high. Here’s to hoping we come out strong in game 1
By the way, I have no job and no money
niremetal
April 14th, 2009
10:58 pm
?
Can’t tell if that last one was the real Big Ray or just another wannabe in disguise.
Big Ray
April 14th, 2009
11:08 pm
Ha, another person trying to post as me.
Big Ray #2, you can have my Corvette if you want…!
Astro Joe
April 14th, 2009
11:12 pm
niremetal, WTF happened to the judge in the ASG court case? Are the Maryland judges paid by the length of time to render a decision? It can’t possibly be that complicated.
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
11:44 pm
Astro Joe,
Welcome to the judicial system.
SouthAfrican09
April 14th, 2009
11:45 pm
If someone is on death row in 2001 and files an appeal, they can extend their life easily by 4 or 5 years
cp
April 15th, 2009
12:18 am
Was a very entertaining game. Nice to see some guys get some burn out there. Gardner has some game although that shot wasn’t falling for him… I think Hunter will be a nice player in a few years if given time to develop… I don’t know if Mario will ever get a jumper but he has to be able to knock down open shots…. Randolph just does have the foot speed… Flip was determined to shoot the ball tonight as much as he could. I’M looking forward to seeing what the youngsters do tomorrow against the Grizzlies. And yea you can tell Speedy has not played in forever, he just did not have the energy but we might need him for the playoffs if Law is still hurt.
niremetal
April 15th, 2009
12:44 am
Astro,
As I understand it, Belkin’s side took so long with their presentation that they had to schedule another week worth of trial. Unfortunately, since the judge’s calendar was already booked up, they couldn’t just keep going in February. Instead, I think they’ll be reconvening sometime in May, and that’s when the ASG side will finally get to present their case.
But…I still wouldn’t be surprised if it was at least another week or two (or maybe more) after that before the decision is published. It really depends on which clerk gets assigned to write the opinion, how complicated the legal issues are, etc. And to be honest, my understanding is that the “decision” will merely prescribe the process that must be used to set a value for Belkin’s stake in ASG, rather than announce how much Belkin is owed.
niremetal
April 15th, 2009
12:56 am
And lawyers in private practice ARE paid by the hour, so yeah – they have every incentive to drag this out as long as possible.
doc
April 15th, 2009
8:10 am
thanks for the update nire, sounds like a legal filibuster to me. also has anyone ever seen how many trees are killed for a big case like this where the legal sides “present” their preparation by having a truck unload all the legal briefs like they have really done all that reading or have anyway to know where or what was in those boxes. silly stuff, it is what it is. getting paid for time rather than outcome is a very solicitous way to work it, of course if one can go for it. i am not sure that thus case will be complete in this decade.
newkid
April 15th, 2009
9:21 am
Ditto Big Ray on the Woodson article. Good to know Woody took note of the stupid line from Sund about the satisfaction with which he would embrace starting the summer holiday after the 1st round, then made it clear to players and fans that our goal THIS YEAR is the O’Brien trophy. The paradigm shift has to begin somewhere, and it seems it’s not likely to be with Sund the settler.
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:14 am
“I talked with Speedy after shootaround and I told him what the deal was,” Woodson said. “We need to get his feet wet and just see where he is as a player. Because when we start the playoffs, the roster is wide open in terms of the guys we keep active. We just have to weigh our options in a couple days and see where we are. But it will really be based on practice Thursday and Friday to see where he is and to see where Acie is at that time.”
“In Claxton the Hawks have a seemingly healthy player with playoff experience but little in the way of game-ready conditioning.”- Sekou
The statments above were taken from Sekou’s latest article and should put to rest the conspiracy theory that the ASG is/was keeping Speedy in street clothes to seek/collect salary reimbursements from the insurance company. This one is on Woodson. He chose not to play Speedy and kept him on the inactive roster all season. Now here we are going into the playoffs with possible one healthy PG. This decision may come back to bite him on the you know what…
Let’s recap. The ASG has chose to increase payroll, spend big money on Speedy, Bibby and JSmoove, in the middle of a very expensive legal battle (for the last 4/5 years) all this while losing over 200 mil the last 7/8 years. On top of all that, they are not one of the teams reported to ask for a NBA Bailout Loan/Stimulus Funds…. Maybe these guys have more resources than we think….
dap01
April 15th, 2009
10:27 am
How did Speedy look last night? Was he moving well? How was his defense?
JM
April 15th, 2009
10:34 am
As an attorney in private practice, being paid by the hour is the most favorable for both the firm and the client. It is unethical to prolong case to get more billable time. Is it done, sure but not nearly as much as people think.
As for the Hawks. Glad we will see the Heat. Wade can’t win 4 games by himself (he might be able to do it for 1 or 2) so I’ll say the Hawks in 6.
GA Bulldawg
April 15th, 2009
10:59 am
Speedy looked like a rookie last night, as much as it hurts to say but it is what it is. He was okay but he wasn’t “speedy” and it’s obvious that his knees are done. He didn’t play enough minutes for me to analyze his defense…oh yeah, he airballed his first free throw attempt lol
Lamar
April 15th, 2009
11:34 am
Since we have homecourt advantage the song shouldbe Welcome to Atlanta by Luda
The Great Mr. Fill (formerly ScoobySnacks)
April 15th, 2009
11:56 am
**I just found out I am a genius**
Before I get into my playoff predictions, let us review my history and congratulate me for being more right than wrong on this very same blog.
Check the records, when I said on February 6, 2008 @ 12:06 PM :
*“This is a bad move on Phoenix’s part.
They are banking that Shaq will be refocused and energized because of the trade. But the fact is there is very little diesel left.
Regardless of even that fact, a young Shaq would not have fit into the Sun’s style of play. Running full speed all game has never been the man’s specialty. …Besides all this is the fact the Suns have instantly made themselves much older and slower. …. I promise you for Phoenix, this trade is a disaster in progress.”*
Or on October 24, 2008:
*“I already know exactly how many the Hawks will win. The answer is 47. Would be 48, but they’ll get beat on an overtime buzzer beater in the last game of the regular season. …. They will make the playoffs and win their first round matchup.”*
The Hawks current record is 47-34 for prosperity.
Further, see June 27, 2007 @ 9:28 AM when I correctly predicted the Hawks would select a certain undersized center with their third pick
*“… the best Case Scenario for Yi is that he compares favorably with Pau Gasol. While best case scenario for Horford is he turns into another Emeka Okafor. So who would you rather have Gasol or Okafor assuming they both reach their potential?”*
Now with my history well established, I present my greatest prediction to date.
Prepare to see your Atlanta Hawks face the Cleveland Cavaliers for the Eastern Conference Championship.
Unfortunately, I can not say who wins as my crystal ball gets a little hazy after the second quarter of game six. But at that point the Hawks are hanging in; only down by three.
The Great Mr. Fill (formerly ScoobySnacks)
April 15th, 2009
12:05 pm
Retraction. Cleveland can’t meet Atlanta in the Eastern Conference Championship. So all that means is Cleveland won’t make it.
JerryWest
April 15th, 2009
12:35 pm
If we lose tonight we get the 19th pick. If we win, there will be a coin toss between us and Utah and the loser gets the 20th pick.
More importantly, nobody should get injured tonight. Flip should play easy. I would like to see Marvin, Mo, Zaza and Craig Slowy Claxton get some of their winds back. JJ, Bibby, Horf, Smoove could play the first 5 minutes to avoid NBA fines.
RLP
April 15th, 2009
12:48 pm
I join with many others who have noted that this is a great season for the Hawks. Let us hope that they do well in the post season.
It was also great to see the bench players. It should be evident to all that there is some talent among those who we seldom see play.
SouthAfrican09
April 15th, 2009
1:08 pm
If Mario doesnt start in the playoffs, he won’t get minutes.
Why not start Mario, and then bring in Mo, Flip, and DUCK off the bench? Maybe it was the headbands last night, but having Duck and Flip in looked amazing to me
terrell barron
April 15th, 2009
1:23 pm
Mr Phill, Shaq was Phoenix’ best player this year. Wtf??? It was’nt his fault they dont know how to play defense. Come on now. The Diesel was the least of the Suns problems. Steve Kerr was the problem, if you ask me.
terrell barron
April 15th, 2009
1:25 pm
I meant Mr Fill. Sekou, why cant we edit our posts?
Lacsho
April 15th, 2009
1:55 pm
Great win!!!
Ray, whatz good my brother? I agree with your comments about Woody. I must admit Woody has done a good job this year. (Can’t believe I said that) The Hawks are all grown up now. I think we’re still the youngest team in the league, and they’re only going to get better. I hope BASG can keep the core intact, while adding a legit center and point guard. Furthermore, I hope they will consider re-signing Chillz.
I was listening to 790 the zone, and they made a great point about Smoove. They stated, the Hawks are one of the most dangerous teams when Smoove is exerting a lot of energy on both sides of the court. Smoove is the X-Factor for our team. I think we go as far as Smoove can take us ( I can feel some heat coming from my brothers on the south side college park area).
If we can make it out the first round, I like our chances against Cleveland. We have really played them tough this year (except for the first game). I rather face them instead of Boston. The first series is going to be tough, and the next serious against the King will be off the chain. The NBA would love to have Wade vs. James series, so I hope the powers that be don’t hate on our Hawks. There’s still a lot of politics in the NBA.
Wassup Doc, I see all is well my brother. Are you ready for the playoffs? I know Phillips will be crazy. This is my favorite time of the year. I think tempers are going to flare during the Miami series. Before the series is over, Jamaal Magloire will be hit with a flagrant foul.
Wassup Banks
Ando holla atcha boy lol
jake
April 15th, 2009
2:26 pm
Miami can’t keep “BOSS” off the glass.
jake
April 15th, 2009
2:55 pm
Philips Arena engineering crew did a good job last night. They did NOT try to make the atmosphere nowhere near the environment that the Heat will face this weekend. There was very little piped-in music, no artificial drums and Ryan “King” screaming DE-FENSE or LET’S GO HAWKS until the last few minutes of the game. The volume will be turned up 100 folds this weekend. This will be a major factor in game one. Miami’s rookies and young ball handlers won’t know what hit them. Atlanta’s pressure, switching, swarming, ballhawking defense has a way unsettling young inexperienced ballhandlers.
niremetal
April 15th, 2009
3:23 pm
Doesn’t really matter if we get 19 or 20 unless Utah trades its pick, since they won’t be drafting a big man or a point guard anyway. They have D-Will and burned a #23 on Kosta Koufos last year and have a couple other young big men in the wings, so they won’t take anyone we could use.
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
3:33 pm
the only way hawk win vs. heat is if beasley is on the bench him and wade will beat hawk by self!!!! Beasley goes 23 and 13 in 24mins and 12mins where vs starters only thing i saw was hawks 3rd string better that heat’s bad for hawks to even play starters to much wade and beasley mix in everybody else heat in 6 or less.ps wade beat dallas by himself and they where way better than the hawks are miami same team minus ZO!!!!shaq wasnt nuttin for heat in championship year
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
3:45 pm
keepin it real, please explain to us why the Heat loss 3 out of 4 games against the Hawks this season with Beasley and Wade (except for game 4) in the lineup… 1 and done for the Heat. Bring on Lebron… It’s going to be nice to see the superstars during the playoffs in the ATL…
newkid
April 15th, 2009
3:52 pm
Here’s a piece some of you cats may find interesting. It concerns NBA players transporting their cars from the cities in which they’re employed to their home cities after the season.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/sports/basketball/16cars.html?_r=1&hpw
RG
April 15th, 2009
3:59 pm
“keepin it real” you sound like a mental patient.
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
4:01 pm
oh yea since when has speedy claxton been a beast in bball he is wut he is a bencher a role player if u countin on him and the rest of them bums they might jus win one game because truth be told joe johnson really all u got dont get me wrong bibby not bibby from sac, al,josh,and marvin are suspect as far wut they bring eveynite,i know woody has big fear of wade beasley cuz he has no answer for either one of them but hawk do h.ave glimpse of hope because d. cook shot is off at wrong time other than that it would be sweep for HEAT hawks shoot too many jumpers to win anything and has minimal post game. hawk fans be careful what u ask for cuz u gonna get it LIVIN OFF LAST YEARS PLAYOFFS hehehehe!!!!
SouthAfrican09
April 15th, 2009
4:02 pm
We should play Mario at PG. He’s fast and quick enough to guard anyone, and we can let Flip or Joe dribble it up
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
4:18 pm
if beasley play 32 to 35mins heat will when in 6 or less no answer for him or wade wut u goin double wade leave him one on one with josh or marvin he jus toasted ur starters for 23pts 13rebs 2blk in 24mins like i said 12mins vs. starters u should sat ur starters out Everybody nows playoffs half court game thats y u win 2 out of 3 see u count last night but i see that as ur down fall. hawks lose confidence by lettin gm get that close with ur starters out there that cant be good like i said hawks 3rd string is better than heat’s. hehehehe
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
4:38 pm
keepin it real, you need to do just like your name says. what game was you watching last nite. No hawk starter play in the 4th qtr or beyond the 5 min mark in the 3rd. Hence, Mario and Flip almost playing 40 mins. You can babble all you want, Beasley and Wade doesnt put fear in our hearts. If they were better than the Hawks then they would have a better playoff seed than us. Since they don’t, the Heat first playoff game will be in the ATL. I will be there to be a witness along with the Heat team. Will you????????
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
4:55 pm
WADE beat DALLAS
+
HAWKS not as good as DALLAS = HEAT
jake
April 15th, 2009
4:59 pm
If you can’t count the win last night how could you count the fact that B-Easy scored 23pts 13rebs 2blk in a pickup game. There were no off or def plays called one time down the court. You could pick any ten players in the league for each side and the score would be close about 90% of the time in that situation. Keep it real shawty.
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
5:02 pm
mel ur starters play 1st 6min in first qtr and 6min n 3rd qtr and none of them could stop beasley wut were u watch it wasnt the game cuz the only time u take lead back from us was when beasley was on bench(beasley no 2nd or 4th qtr play at all) keep hope alive for hawks i guess havent won anything in nba so i guess u got to hang ur hat on something nto this year maybe when u draft raymond smith in 2025 draft!!!lmao
jake
April 15th, 2009
5:05 pm
Didn’t Wade have Shaq, Walker, Gary Payton, ZO, and Jason Williams on that team? It’s a wonder why Wade didn’t win the regular season MVP that year with such a weak supporting cast.
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
5:12 pm
Keepin it real, obviously you were impress with Beasley performance last nite which came in a losing effort just like the other 2 games he played in. How come you want to discredit the 3 wins by the Hawks this season then reference a Heat team performance from 3yrs ago which had an entirely different cast of players. What sense does that make????
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
5:17 pm
like i said shaq wasnt important stayed in foul trouble always traveled couldnt score got mad wit wade cuz of his shine now look at him only name u call off that we could use is zo the rest of them we got them j oneal,chalmers,d cook when hot,same team just minus ZO in the middle that it a lot ao wade and a lil bit of everyone else go check. oh yea right now beasley dont see none of them walker,williams,or payton
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
5:40 pm
lol
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
5:50 pm
go HEAT
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
5:53 pm
HAWKS got same team from last year and basically the same record and y’all hype
jake
April 15th, 2009
5:59 pm
Hawks got a better team and better record than the Heat.
Clyde
April 15th, 2009
5:59 pm
Follow me on twitter. Search DJ_Incog.
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
6:00 pm
y’all must gonna be happy wit makin second round or conf finals nobody said anything bout y’all winning title cause u know it wont happen y is no one sayin title dont u love ur team and they got all the parts to win it all or NOT it a shame y’all worried bout SUPERSTAR treatment that jus mean get a SUPERSTAR its the NBA way….ps BEASLEY coming out party
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
6:05 pm
jake same team means same players same record means wut 4 or 5 gm improvement WOW calm down hawks if u lose trust me nobody will be surprised but HAWK fans
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
6:14 pm
o yea i like the head band thing too,wtf its a shame u play all year together and u need headbands to make a statement on we team cuz we got headbands that **** was so lame be ur on MAN.reminds me of that scene in SEMI-PRO when andre 3000 checked into the game for the first time in the movie.lmao
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
6:16 pm
jus kiddin mk for fun convo but HEAT in 6 or less
KevinA
April 15th, 2009
6:25 pm
It was good to see Speedy play. Hope he gets at least 12 min tonight. In fact it was fun to see all the bench get a chance to play. We’ll get a chance to see a tougher team tonight. If they box out a little better we might have a chance. I hope Flip gives the boys a few more touches on offense. Be fun to see how they respond. You can see Marvin starting to round into shape. He is pretty pickey about his shots anyway. Look to see him drive more tonight. ZaZa sighting? If he’s ok would be nice to get him at least ten munutes.
Last game of the season, couple of days off and then rock and roll. Should be a great series. I predict Hawks in 7.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 15th, 2009
7:07 pm
So I was reading Bill Simmons’ new column today (where he picks the Heat to beat the Hawks, so f*ck him, but anyway)… and he links to this website showing the best five-man units in the league by +/- rating. I don’t really know how much value to give these things, but it’s kinda interesting that according to this list, Bibby-Flip-Joe-Josh-Zaza is the second best five-man unit in the NBA. Don’t know how significant that is, but I think this may be more significant: the Hawks’ best three units all contain Josh Smith (he of the low basketball IQ) and one member of the bench (which supposedly sucks).
Maybe a little more puzzling? The Hawks’ starting lineup is -4 for the season per 48 minutes.
So anyway, don’t know what it means, but something to talk about I guess…
mac12341
April 15th, 2009
7:19 pm
where is Mo Evans?
Clyde
April 15th, 2009
7:33 pm
We get to see Mike Conley tonight. That kid is gonna be the truth.
Macaroni Tony
April 15th, 2009
7:49 pm
clyde I couldn’t find you but you can find me at tigerworld37
doc
April 15th, 2009
7:55 pm
najeh, that is two years in a row zaza has fared well, chills also ranked high usually. jj and josh were the tops last year. marvin usually bleeds red numbers in the negative space. still dont know exactly how to rate the results but it is interesting zaza ranks up there an josh as well as they seem to be the biggest lightening rods besides woody on this blog.
lacsho, still aroung quietly in the background my friend. all well with you bud? still west of town? actually feel retty good about myself, seems like i rank up there with ray boy as there is someone posing me. imitation babeee, flattery all the way. heh heh
guys i can assure you if we win tonight the first post will be from virginia. richie boy brave will be showing up with a broken arm patting himself so hard on the back for the prediction of 48 wins.
i just want at least 6 more wins after tonight, not including tonight.
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
8:00 pm
Hawks 115
Grizz 98
Thomas Gardener 41 Pts. 11 rebs 10 asst (8/12 three pt FG)
you read it here first.
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
8:27 pm
On a night were 3 out of 4 regulars (Marvin excluded) are chose not to play in a meaningless game. One player decide to take one for the team and play with the bench warmers. Hmmm, that Josh Smith sure is a selfish knucklehead me bigger than the team type of player…
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
8:33 pm
Oh my, Memphis commentators just question why would Josh Smith take a charge in a meaningless game. Maybe b/c he’s a selfish teammate…
bigdave
April 15th, 2009
8:33 pm
mario should keep the mohawk to begin the playoffs and for the rest of his career… his game and the doo fit… hopefully he gets some burn in the playoffs…
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
8:35 pm
LOL…. Mario is never out of a play… You wont get nothing for free in his house….lol
Blast
April 15th, 2009
8:35 pm
Gardner ain’t gonna score no 41 points. He already bricked his first two long balls. He would have to play major minutes and play perfect to even come close to 41. I still like the kid, though.
Blast
April 15th, 2009
8:38 pm
Enter your comments here
Blast
April 15th, 2009
8:44 pm
That was a test. Post weren’t posting.
These last two games would have been perfect for Acie to get some good burn.
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
8:44 pm
I see now how flip can just look like a chucker on a bad team. I hope he gets it together soon, 48-34 BABY!!!!
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
8:50 pm
blast what are u talkin about…gardner is about to heat up after nailing that free throw
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
8:54 pm
Speedy has played in 2yrs and still look faster than Bibby….
Hawksfan
April 15th, 2009
8:54 pm
I just got my tickets to the 1st game, but does anybody know when they will announce when it is?
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
8:54 pm
I meant “Speedy hasn’t played in 2yrs and still look faster than Bibby”
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:00 pm
Randolph Morris = future Tim Duncan
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
9:01 pm
Randmo, either need to lose some weight or take some yoga classes in the off season….
Macaroni Tony
April 15th, 2009
9:01 pm
look at speedy looking good..
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
9:01 pm
4 straight points by Speedy….
doc
April 15th, 2009
9:02 pm
speedy looks gassed already, see how he didnt fight through that screen?
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:03 pm
Are the tickets for the HAWKS/CAVS series avaliable for purchase yet?
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
9:04 pm
Mac,
they will be available on Monday… LOL
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:06 pm
I mean they might as well just skip the non sense
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:09 pm
but seriousl,y I’m dissapointed… I cant believe how garbage morris, gardner, solo, and west are
(yeah i know west and solo have done decent while playing with with the starters i just expected more from them on the floor with 11th string players)
I hope Zaza Pachulia can find it in his heart to forgive me for saying we should give Morris a shot over him.
I think othello hunter has looked ok though…and speedy considering his situation.
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:11 pm
gardner is probably back in the locker room pleading his case to guys like joe and bibby like
“…but i made that same shot 8 times in a row in the gym yesterday…i kno u guys saw it”
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
9:11 pm
……Just llike last year…….leaving W’s on the table the end of the season.
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:16 pm
Lacsho!
Whassup, my brothaaaaa! No, that wasn’t me posting last night at 10:38 and 11:09 or whatever it was.
Just the same clown that can’t stand me, but can’t be me. You know- a crab. It ain’t like it’s difficult to find out. Maybe if I cared, I’d always make sure I was logged into the AJC WordPress system before posting. But as you can see….I don’t care enough to do that.
I agree that Woody has had a good season. Anytime your team can carry you this far, it has to look good on your resume. Back to back playoff appearances is always a good thing, and there’s nothing like your first winning season. Especially when it takes you 5 years (and 2 GMs)to get there. That’s a rare thing Woody has done: survive 2 GMs. I’ll give the guy credit where it’s due. I may not bow down to him like some (including my cognitively challenged doppleganger wannabe), and he’s definitely no COY type, but we could certainly do worse.
Mike Dunleavy among the group of “worse.”
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:26 pm
MAC-TOWN,
Gardner is a shooter/scorer who has seen VERY little time. He has to get into a rhythm. He’s not like Daquean Cook, who has a green light every time he hits the floor. Besides, JJ and Bibby have had plenty of games where they couldn’t hit a damn thing to save their lives (or the game).
As for Hunter, I felt like he had much more to offer than he had a chance to really show at Ohio State. And when we have seen him play, I’ve thought he was a good pickup that will prove to be valuable in time, if he is given the opportunity and developed properly. We shall see on those last two parts.
The guy seems to have fairly solid fundamentals and good footwork, with an ability to get up and down the court pretty well. That can’t be bad…
Blast
April 15th, 2009
9:26 pm
Come on, Mack Town. You still on Gardner scoring that much? I know you joking, right?
And I don’t think that was the real Ray at the 9:16 post.
Ariose. Even if the Hawks lose this game, it’s not that bad. They’ve won 4 straight, and are playing their bench against Memphis starters.
And Hawks can still win this game!
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:30 pm
Melvin,
RandMo is another guy we don’t see much, but you know what? Woody may very well have this guy pegged (and he probably does). RandMo seems like the type who needs self-motivational tapes to help him get started.
…..only, he wants somebody to get up and push the button FOR HIM to start the tape….
As of right, he’s nothing more than roster filler that doesn’t deserve more than the league minimum. And the crap of it is…dude has some offensive skills and can grab some boards here and there.
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:33 pm
Blast,
No, it was me. Read the between-the-lines sarcasm on Woody…
Look, he’s not a terrible coach. But some of the things I don’t like about him are things I think are critical to this team going further. But it’s just my opinion. I don’t coach NBA ball, and I’m not an NBA expert. And I have no problems saying so. It’s certainly better than coaching at an infinitely lower level and acting as if I know all there is to know about coaching, particularly on the professional level. But hey, I suppose everybody has their delusions…
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:34 pm
No doubt that last comment will earn me another spoof appearance of the “other one.”
Hee hee!
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
9:36 pm
Ray, if playing for your hometown with your AAU teammate and on your last string in the league doesn’t motivate you. Then he doesn’t need to wear that uniform with the Jerry West logo…
Blast
April 15th, 2009
9:38 pm
Mario the Pest! Now if only he could buy a jumpshot!
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:44 pm
Yea ray you’re right..I’m pullin for the guy and I looked at gardner in the same light as a I did Richardson last year for us. I nice little shooter/scorer who was on our bench that didnt get much playing time….
difference being that Richardson came through in the little minutes he got, and Garderner hasnt.
Is that fair for Garderner….not really…but he’s gotta shine when he’s finally called upon or people arent going to take him serious
and yeah, hunter is pretty decent
MAC-TOWN
April 15th, 2009
9:46 pm
Is anybody else surprised that the Hawks’ bench warmers are staying in the game with the young, talented Memphis squad?
I mean, I know they have a bad record but the Grizzly nation has to wonder about that.
Gay, Conley, Mayo, Warrick and company should be killing the back end of our bench…
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:52 pm
Mac-TOWN,
I have to agree. The guy has to produce. If he doesn’t, he will be battling for 10-day contracts until he ends up in Europe. Hate to say it like that, but you know how things are these days.
Melvin,
I agree. But we just don’t see the effort from him, when we do see him. I’d rather see him play with a bit of wild abandon. Not foul crazy, but aggression. But I don’t see it. At all. Ever.
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:56 pm
Melvin,
I gotta hand it to you. You have been OFF THE CHAIN tonight. Everything has been either funny as hell (Speedy/Bibby comment) or harsh/all too true (RandMo comment).
Man, does anybody on any bench play with more confidence than Flip? More heart than Zaza? More effort than ‘Rio?
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
9:57 pm
Mac-Town,
Very astute observation. They SHOULD be killing us. Tells me they don’t care too much about this game. Oh well..
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
9:58 pm
Just when I thought Tommy Henson for the Celtics was bias for their team during games. This analysis (don’t know his name) that Memphis has make Tommy look like a Celtic hater…
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:05 pm
Look like Flip is getting the Joe Johnson treatment. Woody is going to ride him until a wheel fall off…. Get him out of there. We need him for the playoff run..
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:12 pm
That’s okay, Melvin. Woody says we’re going for the title this year. Riding your sixth man to the finish is part of the plan.
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:13 pm
Ray, you make a good observation in reference to our bench. I think our bench plays better than giving credit… Why haven’t Speedy gotten some mins in this half… Hmmm, maybe his coach don’t want to be shownup by him up. Too late for that. I think we all have seen that Speedy was/is healthy enough to play……
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:14 pm
Which is strange, actually, considering his boss “My Boy Rick” says it’s not a big disappointment if we lose the first round…
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:15 pm
It must be tough to pick between “Ya Boy Rick” and “Ya Boy Woody”….life is a series of trade-offs…
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:18 pm
Could be, Melvin.
If I recall correctly, Sekou put out an article a ways back wherein Speedy said he has been healthy enough to play, but didn’t expect to get any time. Furthermore, (and he sounded a tad bitter), he said he expected to be elsewhere next season for certain. Hmmm.
He’s still out of shape, though.
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:18 pm
Huh, there goes RandMo. That’s Woody’s version of throwing in the towel, lol!
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:20 pm
Hopefully, he will put Speedy in for the last 3mins…
doc
April 15th, 2009
10:20 pm
the back end of our roster looks like refugees of the 10 day contracts, only somehow we are to suggest and pretend they are caliber nba players not d-leaguers. talk about illusions, sund did a good selling job on this one. if they were more then woody would have played them. our roster is ten deep at best and out coach made sure only eight got burn time this year. even rio shouldnt be thought of too much higher than that, very one dimensional even when he is the guy given the green light. truth, though i like his spunk, only wish there were about three more inches of him and let him be the defensive stopper that bowen is, plenty of fire power on this team.
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:24 pm
That was a beauty no look pass by Mario. To bad it was to the wrong team…lol
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
10:28 pm
Oh well, I thought the Hawks benchwarmers did well to keep the game close against Memphis starters….
Astro Joe
April 15th, 2009
10:33 pm
Let the real games begin! (Thank goodness we enter the post-season relatively healthy).
niremetal, my post from this morning didn’t show up. I apologize. Thanks for the update on the court case. I had no idea that it was in a virtual “half-time” mode. doc was right, next decade for resolution.
I also agree with doc about the “quality” of the end of our bench. It reflects the budget that he had to work with. Hard to believe that RandMo was a better option than Magloire or darn near any other free agent big man during the summer. He has about as much fire as a penguin swimming in the Arctic Ocean. A bigger version of Shelden Williams.
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
10:33 pm
I pissed we lost %^@$% tha Grizzlies!
Fire Woodson!
We Need a New Scheme!
He Sat Speedy tha whole quater!
Evans should’ve played more minutes in the first half.
Completly threw off my pre-season prediction!!!!!
Obviously the offense should’ve been run through Gardner……
DOOMandGLOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bwahahahhahaha!!!!
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
10:37 pm
…..The Refs toatally gave the Grizzlies the game.
O.J Mayo got away with murder…..I KNOW you all saw him tugging on Flips Jersey COUNTLESS times.
Sigh, ANOTHER Road loss…….
doc
April 15th, 2009
10:38 pm
aj you will aprreciate this one as well as manny t and some of the regulars among others,
from popcorn to peanuts:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Lou-Amundson-pulls-prank-on-Shaquille-O-Neal?urn=nba,155988
also the big cactus looks a lot slimmer.
Big Ray
April 15th, 2009
10:39 pm
A loss here doesn’t bother me in the least beat. The Grizzlies had to play their starters major minutes just to beat our bench guys, including the ones who have seen the least minutes.
The Hawks won a whole 10 more games than last year, and that is no fluke, considering the idea that they could have won even more than that.
Everybody in the organization deserves to a share in the credit for this accomplishment.
Bring on the Heat!
By the way, I think Hunter was the “best of the rest” of the pickups. He may prove to be better than Solo. You never know.
Smart move by Woody to extend the playing time for these guys and resting his main horses. Gonna need ‘em. Gonna need ‘em all.
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
10:39 pm
Since I haven’t had much to complain about this season, I figured I’d get it all out on Joe Johnson.
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
10:42 pm
On this Game…..I thinks someone is fixing my posts!
Astro Joe
April 15th, 2009
10:45 pm
doc, yeah I read that earlier. Admundson has some monsterous-sized stones to take on Shaq in a prank. I’m a fan of the recurring joke… hiding his bicycle in new places around the arena is very, very good. I have a feeling that Amundson is going to find a big wheel waiting for him next time.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 15th, 2009
10:53 pm
I agree with Ariose and Mac-Town… the only reserve I was really impressed with is Hunter. He’s got a long way to go but he plays with the energy and athleticism that all big men should bring. If Morris played with even half that much energy he would have a long NBA career ahead of him. I don’t see the difference between Gardner and Cedric Bozeman (remember him?), and Solo has done nothing this season to make me think he has any kind of NBA future ahead of him, even with the good timing on blocked shots and the reliable mid-range jumper. An NBA big man has to play with some level of physicality and assertiveness and he has never shown that he has either one.
Speedy looked OK in limited minutes, although I didn’t see him do anything that Acie Law can’t do. As far as Mario West is concerned, I still like him in limited minutes to provide a defensive change of pace, but he doesn’t have nearly the offensive game or the ability to avoid fouls to be a reliable rotation player yet.
All that said, they do have three reliable bench players, in Flip, Mo, and Zaza (four if you count Acie with some playing time). That’s three more than every expert said they had at the beginning of this season.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 15th, 2009
10:54 pm
Whoops… that was Big Ray I was agreeing with, not Ariose…
Truth-Serum
April 15th, 2009
11:02 pm
Za Za is a scrub. His turnover always are momentum breakers. Tonight again, His turnover, fouls and general poor play cost the Hawks their finale game of the season and lost momentum going in the playoff. ZAZA Pe cu lia is a turnover waiting to happen. He lead the league in turnovers per minutes play. To those of you that think Z is a player What game are you watching? Check the stats! You must be Mark Schultz followers who see a game based on your feelings rather than reality. ZAZA Pachulia is a major scrub!
keepin it real
April 15th, 2009
11:05 pm
y’all not ready for HEAT funny how u win last night u were hype tonite bunch of excuses HEAT might SWEEP HAWKS
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
11:11 pm
on myApril 15th, 2009 10:39 pm post, I think I was thinking about two different things at once. IDK why Iput Joe Johnson lol.
What I meant was
“Since I haven’t had much to complain about this season, I figured I’d get it all out on this game.”
Melvin
April 15th, 2009
11:23 pm
keepin it real, how come the Heat lost last nite and won tonite. Maybe because they played a better team last night or a weaker team tonight. Have it either way but yall aint beating the Hawks in a playoff series…
Ariose
April 15th, 2009
11:40 pm
When “Keeping it real goes wrong” lol
cp
April 15th, 2009
11:54 pm
I really like Hunter. I hope we bring him back next year and develop the kid. He could end up being a nice role player for us down the road…I wonder who will make the playoff roster and who will be left off.
Da Real Real
April 15th, 2009
11:59 pm
Nothin’ like watching our bench play a full game and JJ and the guys in street clothes resting up. 2 years, back to back, of NBA basketball in Atlanta. Which of our other sports has been able to do that for us lately???
Najeh Davenpoop
April 16th, 2009
12:04 am
Truth-Serum, Zaza has been a scrub for many games out of his Hawks career, but as limited as he is talent-wise, he has stepped it up this year with his defense and hustle. He’s not a starting-quality NBA center, but he has made a positive impact more often than not this year with his presence.
Ariose
April 16th, 2009
12:47 am
Joe, Mike, Marvin, Josh, Al, Flip, Mo, Zaza, Solo, Mario(or Speedy or Acie), Randolph(we might need an extra Big)
Ariose
April 16th, 2009
12:58 am
All the way through solo(Top 9) is pretty much gaurenteed. They’ll get PT in the playoffs.Anyone else will be situational.
Honestly, I love Acie but he plays timid at times, I think we should go with Speedy, Mario and Randolph for the last three spots.
DeadManWalking
April 16th, 2009
1:47 am
Yall have got to be joking about putting Broke Leg Mountain Claxton in the playoff rotation over Acie. Acie could come through if hes healthy. Claxton cant even run out of the tunnel without getting winded. Might need a big in the playoffs too for sure, but Morris aint it. Whats all this noise about Sund and a limited budget. What limited budget. They sure didnt have a problem paying Mike No Defense Bibby FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS but they want to skimp on the bench. Aint nobody broke they just dont want to spend the money and who can blame them when they let Woodpecker do whatever he wants to do. Dont pay much extra for people he wont play. Overpay for who he will OVERPLAY. That would be Bibby. Keep letting the coach run the franchise and he will run it into the ground like he does the guys he will play. Sure hope them boys ate all the Wheaties they could find cause they going to need them in the playoffs. Watch for the seven man rotation with a little bit of the eighth man being zaza.
DeadManWalking
April 16th, 2009
1:52 am
Wheres Green Eggs and Ham Sam. Must be getting home late from the Woody Woodpecker coach of the year pep rally. I heard it was a real small crowd.
niremetal
April 16th, 2009
2:05 am
Let’s get pumped, folks. Playoffs start in less than 3 days and we have home-court advantage.
Think about it folks. 47 wins and home court advantage in a greatly improved Eastern Conference. I always will have my issues with Woody and everyone had doubts about JJ being able to lead us this far. We obviously are not going to make it deep into the playoffs unless we really pull it together like we never have before, but this team is truly in an amazing place considering where we came from. I know lots of people have already said stuff to that effect, but it’s worth saying it again – there’s no arguing with success.
Let’s bask in the glow for the next couple days, and then get raucous for the series against the Heat.
Sekou Smith
April 16th, 2009
2:19 am
Playoff times are out. Check the new blog. And get ready for things to get crazy over the next few weeks.