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		<title>By: I MUS.WRITE</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/03/31/south-beach-or-cheesesteaks/comment-page-4/#comment-3628</link>
		<dc:creator>I MUS.WRITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOC-  Calm down nobody&#039;s bashing Stevie Nash.... He is a really good point guard, I would take him over both Arenas and Marbury, But lets not act like he&#039;s making scraps here -the man is well compensated -not 20 mill a year but not far off either
. Those MVP&#039;s in consecutive years are questionable...very questionable. The first MVP -okay ....that second one he was&#039;nt even the bast point guard in the league much less the best player.....
Im still try&#039;n to figurre out how he got the MVP when Phoenix didnt even reach the divisional finals ...........Im not a Kobe fan but at all but how does he have 1 MVP and Little Stevie has 2....they really need to change the voting process..... Wait a minute they even gave  Dirk the MVP after D.wade and Mami punked Dallas in the finals ...WOW!!!!!!

Basicly you MVP rationalization STINKS........

O&#039;brien_ I think felton would accept coming off the bench,as long as he got his minute.Bibby better accept it because all Woody would have to say is &quot;Shut your dam mouth - when you play consistent D then you can start&quot; LOL.........

I would prefer to go yunger at PG -I think Lawson is going to be really good ....I dont think he can come in right away and start so we will need a vet pg til he&#039;s ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOC-  Calm down nobody&#8217;s bashing Stevie Nash&#8230;. He is a really good point guard, I would take him over both Arenas and Marbury, But lets not act like he&#8217;s making scraps here -the man is well compensated -not 20 mill a year but not far off either<br />
. Those MVP&#8217;s in consecutive years are questionable&#8230;very questionable. The first MVP -okay &#8230;.that second one he was&#8217;nt even the bast point guard in the league much less the best player&#8230;..<br />
Im still try&#8217;n to figurre out how he got the MVP when Phoenix didnt even reach the divisional finals &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Im not a Kobe fan but at all but how does he have 1 MVP and Little Stevie has 2&#8230;.they really need to change the voting process&#8230;.. Wait a minute they even gave  Dirk the MVP after D.wade and Mami punked Dallas in the finals &#8230;WOW!!!!!!</p>
<p>Basicly you MVP rationalization STINKS&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>O&#8217;brien_ I think felton would accept coming off the bench,as long as he got his minute.Bibby better accept it because all Woody would have to say is &#8220;Shut your dam mouth &#8211; when you play consistent D then you can start&#8221; LOL&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I would prefer to go yunger at PG -I think Lawson is going to be really good &#8230;.I dont think he can come in right away and start so we will need a vet pg til he&#8217;s ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Astro Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OB, new blog is up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB, new blog is up!</p>
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		<title>By: O'brien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/03/31/south-beach-or-cheesesteaks/comment-page-4/#comment-3625</link>
		<dc:creator>O'brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astro, I agree that we should not bring Bibby back.  His negatives outweigh the positives.   

I dont think Woody is coaching scared, but he had opportunities to play the bench earlier in the year (not necessarily against the elite teams), but definitely against the bottom feeders.  There were games where Bibby and JJ are not getting it done, but he still rides them for 40 minutes a game, and we still lost those games (especially on the road).

If Zaza never got hurt, who knows if Al would have made his way to the starting lineup?  Unless you are an established veteran in this league, I dont think you will get much PT from Woody.  Even if we had Deron Williams on the bench, he probably wouldn&#039;t have gotten much PT (DWIll made plenty of rookie mistakes his first season).  Same goes for Rondo, who still cant make shots consistently.

However, as long as we win our first round series, Woody will be back next year.  And although I am definitely not a fan of Woody, I can understand why we&#039;ll bring him back.

Sekou, where you at?  We need a new blog for the Celtics tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astro, I agree that we should not bring Bibby back.  His negatives outweigh the positives.   </p>
<p>I dont think Woody is coaching scared, but he had opportunities to play the bench earlier in the year (not necessarily against the elite teams), but definitely against the bottom feeders.  There were games where Bibby and JJ are not getting it done, but he still rides them for 40 minutes a game, and we still lost those games (especially on the road).</p>
<p>If Zaza never got hurt, who knows if Al would have made his way to the starting lineup?  Unless you are an established veteran in this league, I dont think you will get much PT from Woody.  Even if we had Deron Williams on the bench, he probably wouldn&#8217;t have gotten much PT (DWIll made plenty of rookie mistakes his first season).  Same goes for Rondo, who still cant make shots consistently.</p>
<p>However, as long as we win our first round series, Woody will be back next year.  And although I am definitely not a fan of Woody, I can understand why we&#8217;ll bring him back.</p>
<p>Sekou, where you at?  We need a new blog for the Celtics tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Astro Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuel, good call on the HOF-type player to grab a top 3 conference position.  I screamed for Woody to play Salim for 3 years.  If an NBA team thought that they could get a cheap guy who could stretch the defense and be an Eddie House type of player, I&#039;m guessing that he would be on someone&#039;s roster.  Maybe, just maybe, dude doesn&#039;t have what it takes to contribute to an NBA team and that&#039;s why he didn&#039;t play then and isn&#039;t playing now.

I called for the Hawks to resign Bibby very early this season.  But after watching him these past few months, I don&#039;t think I would bring him back... under any contract terms.  Some players require too much supplemental help to make them effective.  Bibby pretty much requires an agile shot-blocker (think Camby, Bird Man, etc.) when he so easily gives up dribble penetration.  And guys like Camby are both hard to find and quite expensive.  So paying Bibby $8M would likely require another investment of $8M in a big.  That just doesn&#039;t make sense to me. 

doc, I would like nothing more than to see the Hawks bring Antoine Carr in as their big man coach.  Not only was he a nasty offensive player (with that sweet turn-around jumper) but he became a very good low post defender when he lost his explosiveness.  I can still picture him in a Utah uniform with those googles on defending Shaq in the post... fairly effectively.  Unlike Ty Hill, he could teach guys like Horford how to defend AND how to have a multi-dimensional offensive game.  Like I said, he&#039;s definitely one of my favorite Hawks of all time and someone who seemingly would be able to offer a wealth of knowledge to young bigs. 

This notion of &quot;Woody coaching scared&quot;.  You mean coaching like a guy who is convinced that the team&#039;s best chance to advance beyond the first round is to have home court advantage?  Like a guy who is convinced that he needs to play 8 experienced guys (Acie is hurt and is not an option now) as opposed to throwing in RandMo against teams like the Lakers, Celtics and Cavs in order to secure the 4th seed?  Like a guy who believes that his best chance at a contract extension rests with bringing his boss&#039; the extra revenue that comes with more than 3 home playoff games?  Why on earth would any knucklehead be thinking those thoughts?  He should be developing the young talent for the next head coach, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel, good call on the HOF-type player to grab a top 3 conference position.  I screamed for Woody to play Salim for 3 years.  If an NBA team thought that they could get a cheap guy who could stretch the defense and be an Eddie House type of player, I&#8217;m guessing that he would be on someone&#8217;s roster.  Maybe, just maybe, dude doesn&#8217;t have what it takes to contribute to an NBA team and that&#8217;s why he didn&#8217;t play then and isn&#8217;t playing now.</p>
<p>I called for the Hawks to resign Bibby very early this season.  But after watching him these past few months, I don&#8217;t think I would bring him back&#8230; under any contract terms.  Some players require too much supplemental help to make them effective.  Bibby pretty much requires an agile shot-blocker (think Camby, Bird Man, etc.) when he so easily gives up dribble penetration.  And guys like Camby are both hard to find and quite expensive.  So paying Bibby $8M would likely require another investment of $8M in a big.  That just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me. </p>
<p>doc, I would like nothing more than to see the Hawks bring Antoine Carr in as their big man coach.  Not only was he a nasty offensive player (with that sweet turn-around jumper) but he became a very good low post defender when he lost his explosiveness.  I can still picture him in a Utah uniform with those googles on defending Shaq in the post&#8230; fairly effectively.  Unlike Ty Hill, he could teach guys like Horford how to defend AND how to have a multi-dimensional offensive game.  Like I said, he&#8217;s definitely one of my favorite Hawks of all time and someone who seemingly would be able to offer a wealth of knowledge to young bigs. </p>
<p>This notion of &#8220;Woody coaching scared&#8221;.  You mean coaching like a guy who is convinced that the team&#8217;s best chance to advance beyond the first round is to have home court advantage?  Like a guy who is convinced that he needs to play 8 experienced guys (Acie is hurt and is not an option now) as opposed to throwing in RandMo against teams like the Lakers, Celtics and Cavs in order to secure the 4th seed?  Like a guy who believes that his best chance at a contract extension rests with bringing his boss&#8217; the extra revenue that comes with more than 3 home playoff games?  Why on earth would any knucklehead be thinking those thoughts?  He should be developing the young talent for the next head coach, right?</p>
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		<title>By: O'brien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/03/31/south-beach-or-cheesesteaks/comment-page-4/#comment-3622</link>
		<dc:creator>O'brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I MUS.WRITE, I like that combination too.  But I dont think Bibby or Felton will feel too good about coming off the bench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I MUS.WRITE, I like that combination too.  But I dont think Bibby or Felton will feel too good about coming off the bench.</p>
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		<title>By: doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mus; nash, shouldnt be mentioned with any of those players. he also has never demanded or gotten top dollar and has two mvp&#039;s to suggest he has delivered in kind. geez man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mus; nash, shouldnt be mentioned with any of those players. he also has never demanded or gotten top dollar and has two mvp&#8217;s to suggest he has delivered in kind. geez man.</p>
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		<title>By: I MUS.WRITE</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/03/31/south-beach-or-cheesesteaks/comment-page-4/#comment-3620</link>
		<dc:creator>I MUS.WRITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O&#039;Brien.... I can dig it those issues wont go away if we resign Bibby. I would go after Ray Felton and let him and Bibby split minutes. 7 mill is fair when u look at what guys like Arenas,Nash and Marbury make.

If Bibby tanks in the playoffs I would go in another direction via free agency -draft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Brien&#8230;. I can dig it those issues wont go away if we resign Bibby. I would go after Ray Felton and let him and Bibby split minutes. 7 mill is fair when u look at what guys like Arenas,Nash and Marbury make.</p>
<p>If Bibby tanks in the playoffs I would go in another direction via free agency -draft</p>
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		<title>By: darrell starks</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrell starks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you imagine EVANS, CHILL, CRASHING THE OFFENSIVE BOARDS that would be awesome.GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you imagine EVANS, CHILL, CRASHING THE OFFENSIVE BOARDS that would be awesome.GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for falcon fans, available linebackers just thinned out a bit before the draft. two of usc&#039;s kids washed out positive for steroids, one of them that folks were counting on, clay matthews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for falcon fans, available linebackers just thinned out a bit before the draft. two of usc&#8217;s kids washed out positive for steroids, one of them that folks were counting on, clay matthews.</p>
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		<title>By: O'brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ironic that Woody preaches defense, but yet he gives Bibby so much credit and PT (while Acie, Solo and Mario get so little).

In my opinion, Bibby&#039;s playoff performance will determine if he is even worth $7 million.  Because if Bibby resigns with the Hawks, we can look forward to the same issues next year.
1) JJ having to guard quick point guards 
2) Our bigs picking up fouls because Bibby&#039;s guy is able to penetrate (and either make the pass or go to the line)
3) Bibby&#039;s inconsistent jumper (1 good game, 3 bad games) 
4) Not getting our bigs involved (I blame JJ and Woody too)
And Bibby will still get his 32-36 minutes a game

Obviously, Bibby does bring some positives to this team, but how much is it really worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that Woody preaches defense, but yet he gives Bibby so much credit and PT (while Acie, Solo and Mario get so little).</p>
<p>In my opinion, Bibby&#8217;s playoff performance will determine if he is even worth $7 million.  Because if Bibby resigns with the Hawks, we can look forward to the same issues next year.<br />
1) JJ having to guard quick point guards<br />
2) Our bigs picking up fouls because Bibby&#8217;s guy is able to penetrate (and either make the pass or go to the line)<br />
3) Bibby&#8217;s inconsistent jumper (1 good game, 3 bad games)<br />
4) Not getting our bigs involved (I blame JJ and Woody too)<br />
And Bibby will still get his 32-36 minutes a game</p>
<p>Obviously, Bibby does bring some positives to this team, but how much is it really worth?</p>
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