Clinchville (and other stuff)!

HAWKSVILLE - I remember laughing out loud at Josh Smith late last season when he was sure the Hawks were going to make the playoffs.

Josh Smith predicted big things for the Hawks this time a year ago.

Josh Smith predicted big things this time a year ago.

It was during one of the Hawks’ notorious dry stretches, when they were playing so poorly that even snagging the eighth spot (which they ultimately did) looked impossible.

Those dry stretches have been far and few between this season.

In fact, here we are in the final days of March and the a Hawks are in danger of actually clinching a playoff spot before we get to Arpil (and yes, I realize the Spurs, Celtics and Lakers are all coming to town before the week is out).

As preposterous as it sounds, I think I owe the young fella an apology for making so much fun of him a little over a year ago. He talked about the playoffs like it was a foregone conclusion. And he talked like the Hawks were going to be a playoff player for years to come.

It sounded ridiculous to me at the time. After all, they stumbled badly throughout last season and barely made the playoffs. They didn’t have the look, swagger or mettle of a playoff caliber team for most of the season. There were questions about everything from who would be on the roster this season to whether or not Mike Woodson and his staff would be back to coach them.

There was no reason to believe the Hawks would be a 41-29 team at this point in this season based on where they were this time a year ago.

And yet here they are, likely days away from clinching a second straight playoff berth (their magic number is a combination of four games, wins and or losses by the team in possession of the eighth spot in the standings with some tiebreakers tossed in just to keep things interesting).

So next time, I’ll keep my laughter to myself (how’s that for a public mea culpa Josh?).


When the Hawks acquired Mike Bibby at the trade deadline last year, the Kings justified the deal by touting Beno Udrih as his successor.

For a while it looked great for both sides.

Udrih played well for the lowly Kings and Bibby helped the Hawks secure that playoff berth last season. Udrih cashed in with a $32 million deal in the offseason and the Kings assumed they had their point guard for the present and future.

The only problem is it hasn’t worked out so well since then for Udrih or the Kings. Not according to former AJC writer Ailene Voisin. She takes Udrih and the Kings to task for the multi-million dollar miscalculation in Monday’s Sacramento Bee.

Funny thing is, the Hawks will be in a similar predicament this summer when they have to decide how to proceed with (or witihout) Bibby this summer. The veteran point guard will be a free agent and the Hawks have to decide if they want to pay to keep him at the helm or move on with a younger (cheaper and decidedly less experienced successor in the form of Acie Law IV, or someone else) floor general.

I quizzed a couple of scout friends about this to see what they’d do if they were in the Hawks’ position this summer and their answers couldn’t have been more different.

“There’s no way I’d get caught in that game,” my advance scout friend from an Eastern Conference playoff power told me. “I can’t believe I’m saying this, but if the Knicks have taught us anything this year it’s that you don’t have to overpay at a position like point guard if you do your homework and find the right guy. What they did with Chris Duhon should be a lesson to the rest of the league. If you don’t have a superstar at that spot and don’t want to overpay for a veteran guy, you find a worker bee that fits your system and go with him. That gives you the flexibility to make a move for a bigger name if need be without being strapped with a huge salary guy that’s on the downside of his career. With the way economics are going play a factor this summer, you need to get the bang for your buck at as many positions as possible.”

Not everyone is convinced that taking that bang-for-the-buck risk is worth it for a franchise that’s finally found it’s footing. Especially one with the miserable point guard history the Hawks had over the past six years (pre-Bibby, of course).

“After watching this same team before Bibby and now with him, they better find a way to make it work,” a Western Conference player personnel friend told me. “I’m not sure it’s worth taking the risk to start over at such an important position. Plus, the market is going to be extremely tight this summer. Bibby’s greatest value was at the trade deadline, when a team could have used his expiring salary to facilitate other things. As a free agent, there’s going to be a limited number of teams interested in a guy that still shoots as well as Bibby does but is a defensive liability. They certainly won’t be able to find a replacement in free agency that’s already entrenched in that system and has that kind of chemistry with the rest of those guys that Bibby does. So why risk it?”

It’s a tough call either way. Had the Hawks groomed Law the way they needed to, they might have avoided this dilemma altogether. But they didn’t. And now they don’t have that luxury.


This is way off the basketball path and you’ve never known me to hype anything that doesn’t serve my own selfish interests, but have you seen any of these trailers for the Star Trek movie that comes out in May?

I’m not even a Trekkie and it’s got me juiced.

With a lovely lady like Zoe Saldana playing Uhura, they’d have gotten my cash anyway. But the trailers are fantastic. I just hope the movie lives up to the hype.

The new Uhura looking good!

The new Uhura looking as good as ever!

Full disclosure, I’m a movie buff of epic proportions. So I get a little sidetracked sometimes by good trailers. I’ve been scouring the web for leaked stuff on movies that won’t come out until the summer of 2010 and beyond, hopeful that someone has found a way to pirate the good stuff for all of us to enjoy. So please forgive my brief indulgence on this topic. I was just in the mood to share.


Kudos if you made it this far. That means you really care about the minutiae surrounding your Hawks.

That’s why we’ll end this with an injury update – and sorry, it has nothing to do with Marvin Williams, who remains out indefinitely with that lower back injury.

We’re talking Law again. He is listed as questionable for tonight’s game against Minnesota.

It’s a huge blow for the Hawks if he can’t get back on the floor this week, as they’re going to need him to help spell Bibby and work with Flip Murray on that second unit with the Spurs, Celtics and Lakers all in town over the next seven days.

I wrote last summer about how his rookie season was lost to injuries and a lack of playing time and now it seems his sophomore season is going to be done in by the same things.

146 comments Add your comment


March 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm

“Had the Hawks groomed Law the way they needed to, they might have avoided this dilemma altogether. But they didn’t. And now they don’t have that luxury.”

How many times are we going to have to subject ourselves to needless second guessing like this?

Forget in game adjustments or leadership skills; can we just play players in their best posistions and stop with the personality politics that dooms EVERYONE; the perpetrator as well as the victim(s).

And this franchise can least afford this kind of behavior because of the market perception of professional basketball in general and the Hawks recent history in particular.Other franchises have similar issues but my concern is how the Hawks oranization handles theirs.


March 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm

I think that you keep Bibby for the right price. A.C. Law appears to be injury prone, so, it becomes a priority to keep Bibby.

I am a Trek fan, but not a trekkie. I am juiced about Star Trek as well. I like J.J. Abrams work as a producer and director. Alias, Lost, MI-III, Cloverfield not so much.


March 23rd, 2009
5:04 pm


With the great college point guards that are expected to enter the NBA Draft. Do you think it would be a good idea to consider a guy like a Stephen Curry or Ty Lawson? What do you think?


March 23rd, 2009
5:09 pm

Due to the breadth of the economic woes, I doubt many NBA free agents get the payday they want this summer. I suspect that Bibby gets a very low, but above MLE offer for 2 years or he gets the Salary Cap Nazi, i.e. no offer for you. If I had to choose, no soup for Mike and Flip gets a pay raise. AC stays and there is a 2nd round PG drafted. Mario gets enrolled in the develop a jump shot summer program.

The bigger question is will Sund get to use the salaries of Bibby, Zaza, & Solo to attract a big time center? While it would make sense, that cash might be needed for Belkin’s version of baseball arbitration. You pay him a lot if he loses, but you pay him a whole lot if he wins.



March 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm

Also, I think you have no choice, but to resign Mike bibby. he’s been for the most part solid, even though he’s not the greatest defender in the world. His leadership is a plus. I just dont think Acie Law has a future with this team. I think its time to get a new point guard to groom behind Bibby.


March 23rd, 2009
5:14 pm

Isn’t it making a big assumption that the only thing Acie Law is missing is “development”?

Seems to me the same has been said of other Hawk guards, like Salim Stoudamire, who never amounted to much in the pros.


March 23rd, 2009
5:31 pm

Acie Law can play point guard given the time that is the least of our worries. What’s more pressing is what to do with Marvin, Josh and AL. Al is clearly a 4 and Josh is clearly a 3, as well as Marvin. We need a rebounding shot blocking center (Joel Pryzbilla or Chris Kamn. That will do more for this team than keeping Bibby for a huge contract. However we should keep for a reasonable amount.


March 23rd, 2009
6:16 pm

They need a PG, but they don’t need to overpay for Bibby. He is worth no more than a mid level exception. If he can hit his shot, he can’t penetrate, he can’t defend, he can barely move.


March 23rd, 2009
6:19 pm

With a real head coach who knows how an offense should be run, Acie would improve drastically. And if he can spend the off-season working on finishing his drives, the guy becomes a real threat and an excellent pg risk.


March 23rd, 2009
6:23 pm

WXWAX – Salim Stoudamire was an undersized SG that Woodson tried to force into the PG role. Stoudamire never showed the ability to run an offense, and certainly didn’t have the ball-handling skills to ever make that work. Acie is a PG, plain and simple. He doesn’t shoot well enough to be anything else, but he has adequate ball-handling and is an excellent passer.


March 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

This is where a team using Speedy would come into play.


March 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

Gee Mack, why would you support paying Kaman so much money when he’s never healthy for an entire season?

merbert moover

March 23rd, 2009
6:43 pm

I think bibbly need to grow up and start eatin the applesause, if you know what im sayin! I mean, how many times we gotta give bibbly the ball, just to see him go “hey hey hey”? tryin to hog that ball like its a double bacon cheeseburger, mmmmhmmm


March 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm

I hope the Hawks dont overpay for Bibby. His leadership can be replaced, and the Hawks need a PG who can play defense, penetrate and dish (because we need to keep our bigs involved), and knock down the open jumper. When Bibby is on, he is dangerous, but when he is missing shots, he is a major liability.

Nothing against Bibby, but there are too many games where JJ has to guard the other team’s PG, and thats too much of a responsibility for JJ, especially when he has to carry the load offensively, and play 40 minutes per game.

But if we can resign Bibby for the mid level exception, play Acie 20 minutes per game to back him up (and give Acie more time when Bibby is struggling), then I am in favor of Bibby for another 2-3 years.


March 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

I wouldn’t resign Bibby – he’s too slow & is continually abused on defense. Even if he scores 15/game it won’t offset the 25/game he gives up on defense.

I’m with Manny – Flip gets paid before I even think about anyone else. Where would this team be without him?

In my mind Josh is clearly NOT a 3 – right now. He must develop better handles & range on his jumpshot. He needs to park his butt within 12′ of the basket & operate from there.

If we do sign a center it better be a Okur/Miller clone. We will need him to consistently hit 18′-20′ jumpers because neither Josh nor Al can get that done right now.

Old School

March 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

Certainly a double edges sword. First, any kind of lenghtly contract for Bibby would be very risky. However, since (unfortunately) we witnessed all the starters missing time this year, it was VERY obvious that when Bibby was out – the team suffered the most.

Sekou K. Smith

March 23rd, 2009
7:02 pm

I don’t know Reggie. I doubt guys like Lawson and Curry will be around when the Hawks are picking in the early 20s. But I’d be targeting any point guards I felt could help me, because you could need another one whether Bibby stays or not. If he goes, you have to find another one just in case Acie isn’t the guy. Now if one of the highly rated PGs like Lawson or Curry fell to you, then it’s Christmas in June.

pinoy hawk

March 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm

jhan – would you consider re-signing bibby if he leads the hawks past the 1st round? I’m sure that his shooting touch would be back comes the playoffs. He likes playing in the big stage.

happy hawk – kamusta kabayan? Are you atl based? ako manila based pero naging hawks fan when bibby was traded. If bibby is still there next season pasuyo ako ng jersey. : )


March 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm

I give “Nique a lot of grief but he made a good point. No shotblockers means the Hawks need to relentlessly go inside.


March 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm

JJ cold early. Good energy though – it’s good to be home.


March 23rd, 2009
7:26 pm

Nice…get to the rack, JJ. Good man.


March 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm

I gotta say. Woody might make some bad calls, but Kevin McHale just has zero sense. Kevin Love and Mike Miller singlehandedly (er…doublehandedly?) kept Minnesota within striking distance early, but he benches Love for almost the entire second quarter as the Hawks roll. Wow. Just wow.


March 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm

i personally think we should keep bibby,he is exactly what we were missing all the years prior to his arrival. a playmaking point guard with experience. its too bad he is on the tail end of his career, but his presence on the floor is evident, and with flip coming off the bench we will never lack scoring at that position. when bibby’s shot is on, its money, but when its not, we have had the luxury of watching flip pick up the slack. keep bibby around at least two more years to see what we can get out of him, dont break the bank obviously, but its not a bad idea to hold on to a guy that has given you so much veteran presence at point guard on a team that really needed it.


March 23rd, 2009
8:31 pm

I think somebody said it best. If we make it past the first round, then you try your best to keep the entire team in tact. If Bibby goes, so goes JJ after next year. No way he stays with Acie Law as the PG.

Guy is averaging what, 5 minutes a game and stays hurt. You gonna turn your team over to this guy?

I don’t believe Bibby will be unrealistic in his salary demands. He will want to stay here and sign a two year deal.

If we get bounced in the 1st round then that’s another story.

It’s very important that we lock this 4 spot down early so that JJ and the other starters can get some rest.


Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2009
8:56 pm

Whether or not the Hawks clinch a playoff spot this month is irrelevant. They made the playoffs last year and barring a monumental collapse they will do the same this year. In order to show progress this year, they have to make it to the 2nd round. And to do that they have to get the 4 seed, because with their road record it’s doubtful that they could pull off a first round series win without home court advantage. What really matters is how quickly they can clinch the 4 seed. They have a pretty decent cushion over Miami with not a whole lot of games left, but they have to take care of business like they are doing tonight to get that locked up soon.


“I can’t believe I’m saying this, but if the Knicks have taught us anything this year it’s that you don’t have to overpay at a position like point guard if you do your homework and find the right guy. What they did with Chris Duhon should be a lesson to the rest of the league.”

That’s all nice, but pretty much anyone who is willing to pass the ball can play point guard in Mike D’Antoni’s system and put up decent numbers. The requirements to play point guard in this system (and most other systems in the NBA) are quite different.

With that said, I fully believe if Acie Law is given a fair chance to be the starting point guard here, he will become a consistent and reliable player within a month. I can see the value of keeping Bibby, but not unless he is willing to get paid half his current salary or less. Considering that this is probably the last major contract he will be signing in his career, I’d be really surprised if he’s willing to do that.

Everyone already knows about the economic situation in the NBA and with the DASG. We all know the Hawks are going to have to be ballin’ on a budget, literally, next year. Among the three expiring contracts the Hawks have (Bibby, Zaza, and Flip Murray) I’d say Murray is actually the guy who absolutely has to be re-signed, because without him the bench has no scoring punch at all. If you give him a pay raise to about $4-5 million a year over the next 2-3 years, you have about $16 million left in cap space. I would rather use that space to sign a couple of backup big men (preferably at least one that can block shots), an inexpensive veteran backup PG, and the first-round pick. All those contracts, except the first-round pick, should be one- or two-year deals that don’t tie up long-term salary cap space.

The real danger to re-signing Bibby to a long-term deal is that you potentially restrict the amount of money you can pay Joe Johnson, whose contract expires after next season. More than anything, this is the main reason why letting Bibby go may be the right decision. Keeping Bibby and not having money to pay Joe Johnson next year would be a monumental disaster — and I’m talking about the DASG’s finances as the issue here, not the salary cap.

In the draft, I would not target a point guard — we already have one talented but inexperienced PG, and his backup should be a veteran. There really are not any quality centers available in the early 20s in this draft either, so I would probably just pick the best player available — if that happens to be a point guard (like St. Mary’s PG Patrick Mills for example) that’s fine, but I think if they can come away with someone like Kentucky’s Patrick Patterson or UNC’s Tyler Hansbrough that would be acceptable too.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2009
9:00 pm

On a side note, I thought Rodney Carney would be a very good NBA player when he was at Memphis… don’t know why hasn’t worked out for him so far in the NBA, but he’s looking pretty good in this game.

The Hawks need to turn up the heat for the next couple of minutes and put this T-Wolves team away before they get any ideas of coming back. Can’t let a bad team cut the lead in half in the 4th.


March 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm

Let’s face it…drafting a point guard in the draft would be useless. Woody’s not going to play them. Only a veteran he likes will work as he has shown his disdain for rookie guards period.


March 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

Whoooo Flip Murray!

SWAT Native

March 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm


Not that affects the Hawks anymore, but what’s up with Shelden Williams? He’s on his third lottery team, and he never gets any run. He seems like a good kid, and I thought he played all right his rookie year until he hurt his shoulder. It looks like he’s on his way out of the league.


March 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm

Morris with the turnaround J! awwww good try big man, good try.


March 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm

Congrats to the Hawks for clinching their 1st winning season since I can remember….Lets Go Hawks…


March 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm

I will be one of the guys that say keep Bibby. I think you can get a hometown discount and still have money to resign Flip. You don’t want to break up the chemistry of this team right now and he’s been the key. I believe the real question is what you do with Marvin. As everyone knows your not going to trade for a franchise center, I believe the only way to get one is through the draft. The way the economy is going and how the NBA is shaping up, the HAWKS should just keep the guys they have, draft the best players available and look for one more year of maturity. If Horford continues his improvement and Marvin keeps maturing, they have an outside chance of making their current roster a winner. To do it they’re going to have score more points which means a different system!!

This upcoming week will give a good picture on how much Horford and JS have really grown in their positions. If they can hold their own and even exploit their matchups once in a while, it might be a window into better things to come. The HAWKS can play with anyone right now, I think what they’re missing is maturity and a true offensive identity.

Either way it just feels real good to be talking about the HAWKS right now.



Sekou K. Smith

March 23rd, 2009
10:36 pm

SWAT, I don’t know what the deal is with Shelden. He didn’t get any serious burn tonight (3:54 to be exact) so it was hard to do a spot evaluation of his game since he left the Hawks. Honest to goodness, I don’t think I’ve watched five minutes of him since he left. Sad but true. I don’t know if he’s on his way out of the league or not (hey, Brian Cardinal played tonight). But he’s certainly going to go down as one of the all-time great draft busts because of where he was selected.


March 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm


You wrote:

“And yet here they are, likely days away from clinching a second straight playoff berth (their magic number is a combination of four games, wins and or losses by the team in possession of the eighth spot in the standings with some tiebreakers tossed in just to keep things interesting).”

If they beat the NINTH place team then they will secure a playoff spot. Their magic number to do that is any combination of 2 Hawks wins or the ninth place team’s losses will secure the playoff spot. Four wins will secure the seventh spot. Their magic number for winning the 4th seed is a combination of 9 games.

Big Ump

March 23rd, 2009
11:00 pm

Doc you all had some pretty good teams at Druid Hills.

J. Carter

March 23rd, 2009
11:35 pm

This is my gameplan for our future PG needs.
Step 1. Let Bibby go. He has been shooting well, but it doesn’t make up for bad defense and his inability to drive the basketball.
Step 2. Draft a PG with our first pick. I don’t like Lawson(undersized) and am not a fan of Curry. I think Jonny Flynn from Syracuse would be a good fit. I also think that Brandon Jennings has a huge upside and, thanks to his decision to play in Europe, his draft status might have lowered to the point to where he’ll be around when the Hawks pick. Maybe we could even trade up for him.
Step 3. Have an open competition during the offseason between Flynn/Jennings/whoever and figure out who is going to inherit the starting job. We would probably start Flip at PG until Flynn/Jennings/whoever is ready to take the reigns around the middle of the 09-10season.

Da Real Real

March 23rd, 2009
11:59 pm

Thought i’d get on here and say congrats to the Hawks for a WINNING SEASON! As far as the PG position goes I think that if we can get Bibby for a good price then we go ahead and pull the trigger. From what we’ve read Acie feels the guy is a good mentor to him so if not only for team chemistry and having a legit vet at the position I think we at least keep him around for that reason especially if Acie is the future for that position. Now if that thought changes, I’d have no problem with the Hawks going to get a guy like Felton or drafting Flynn (if he’s there for our pick).


March 24th, 2009
12:37 am

I really have a bit of a problem looking ahead to next year when we should be enjoying the Hawks best season and first winning season in over 10 years. However I will add my opinion here.

If we can resign Bibby I think we should. The Hawks turnaround last year came because of obtaining Bibby. I would not want to do anything to adversely affect the improvements the team has made.

Having advocating keeping Bibby he is not the long term solution for the Hawks. He is limited on defense. He runs hot and cold on offense. He does not turn the ball over. So within a year or two a new pg will be needed. The jury is still out on Acie. Take a wait and see stance toward him. Keep him and watch his development. By all means resign Flip Murray. Even if we lose Bibby and Acie does not pan out the team can win with Joe and Flip until a pg solution is found.

The teams obvious needs are at the 5 position and at the pg spot. Maintain what we have and see what we can get out of this years draft. And then, depending on the results see what is available in trades or FA signings.

But first enjoy this years team.


March 24th, 2009
1:14 am

Sam – I agree completely. As long as the team continues to progress why not keep it going. Only if Bibby will sign for a very reasonable number.


March 24th, 2009
1:19 am

I know it cost a lot of money to go to NBA games but it seems every team tonite had more fans at there game then the Hawks even the Wizards. I live out near Sacramento so I know the Kings attendence is also lacking. I just remember the kings anouncers talking about all the empty seats when rhe kings played at Phillips. They could not understand how a team 10 games over 500 having so many empty seats.


March 24th, 2009
1:31 am

I have to think that Bibby will be getting at least a $6M paycut. You can use those savings to resign Flip for a $2-3M raise, re-sign Zaza at his current salary, and re-sign Marvin for a $4M raise (i.e. give him the same deal we gave Smoove).

And yes, we should re-sign Zaza. The only affordable big men on the market worth looking at are Mbenga, Foyle, and Gortat (lesser options include Magloire, Mihm, Robert Swift, Raef LaFrentz, and Jason Collins). Given all those options, I’d stick with Zaza, especially given Sund’s track record at signing big men. Foyle might be worth a hard look, though – he’s a great locker room guy. However, he’s not a 7-footer.

We could conceivably make a run at ‘Sheed, but I doubt we will. Same with Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby (although I’d trade Smoove for either in a flash).

I really don’t see any viable ways to upgrade over Bibby at pg. Honestly, I don’t. Always willing to hear others’ ideas, though.


March 24th, 2009
5:54 am

I agree with Sekou, A.C. Law should have been groomed much better if he was thought to be the PG of the future for this team. A.C. was a lottery pick and should have been given more time on the floor, then the Hawks would know exactly what they had in him. I don’t think the Hawks will resign Bibby. The have to resign Joe and AL, both will command near max contracts. I say A.C. is given the PG position next year and we can fall back on Flip if A.C. do not pan out. Bibby will sign for more money than the Hawks will offer with another team. Anyway, the Hawks have come a long way from the 13 win season in J-Smooth and J-Chill rookie season. I still believe the Hawks are on track to be a contender in a couple of years if not next year as long as they make the right personnel decisions. The Hawks may fall just short of winning 50+ like I predicted at the beginning of the season, but they are peaking at the right time of the season and that is just before play-off time. I am happy with what I have seen this far in the season. The Hawks right now are the best pro team in Atlanta, the Falcons will suck next year. Go Hawks!


March 24th, 2009
7:22 am

Law is injury-prone? This is news to me, unless invisibility is an injury.


March 24th, 2009
7:23 am

big ump i didnt go to druid hills. they had some players and a monster year in the late 60’s in basketball around a great coach in roger couch. almost won/stole a championship against the great beach team of that era. three of the players went on one to be the white anomaly that could really jump and had fun in pre-games for the hawks i think, one to be the first designated hitter ever the other onto the sec arena before coming back to my college and playing for us a year and onto the cards minor league system. he was a really terrific player and really gave us a different attitude just to have him around along. one of those makes everyone better guys.

big ump, sautee knows the story better because he actually went to high school in the area. i didnt and only have vague remembrances of the story. we have talked about ti several times. just as there is now there were hot beds of good basketball played usually around the coach. i think lagrange was one beach another and newton co among others and of course druid hills.

nire/matt i think someone will make zaza a better offer than 4 mil a year. bibbby will neeed to take a bigger cut because i dont see this ownership going out on a limb and paying out what they had as a payroll this year. i see them dropping back about 5 to 8 mil to go with mid tier to the bottom range. too much economic uncertainty. i would have a tough time giving bibby more than 6 to 8 a year with the decline i suspect that is coming. speedy dollars is about where i would go with him.


March 24th, 2009
8:56 am

I just read a story on Brandon Jennings, I had forgot about that kid until I read his name in another bloggers post. I was one of the few fans that thought he was making a huge mistake by going overseas. I knew he would not be a trailblazer and many highschoolers would not follow his footsteps. The Euro league is a league of grown men. Our Olympic teams have had trouble with those ballplayers. But, If Brandon Jennings, have good showings in predraft workouts, he may be able to work himself into the lottery. But, if he does slip to where the Hawks draft he would be a steal. Averaging 8 points a game in Europe as a teen is no small feat. Plus, they have demanded that he play defense over there. If the Hawks are somehow able to draft Brandon Jennings in next years draft, man it may make us all forget about not drafting or Deron William or CP3 or Brandon Roy, to think on it, NO it won’t I was just kidding, we will never forget about those huge mistakes. But anyway GOOOO HAWKS!!!!! Hold it down in the play-offs till I get home from the desert. I got to catch a game this year.


March 24th, 2009
9:12 am

I am glad we got Bibby, even if we may have to trade him due to his high price. Bibby excellent play bat point guard, this year and last, shows how important a good point guard can take this team. EWveryone in Hawksville can see the difference. Now if we trade Bibby, we better get a damn good guard that can do the same. Flip Murray is showing he can handle the position if Bibby leaves. However, I believe we need a three headed monster in guards like we have now in Joe Jonson, Mike Bibby, and Flip Murray. They all can playmake and score. The are our “LETHAL WEAPON THREE”. Nevertheless, Bibby’s acquisitionshowed us what a real point guard looks like and what he does on the floor. We can’t knock Bibby for being good at what he does. That’s why he gets paid the big dollars. If we trade Bibby, I hope we get a player equal or better to fill that spot.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Astro Joe

March 24th, 2009
10:07 am

The equivalent PG for us (to Duhan in NYC) is Anthony Carter. He is tough, hits the open jumper, plays good defense and is very, very steady. He’s also from Atlanta. He’s a free agent in the summer and Sund should grab him (if Bibby balks) to challenge Acie for the starting gig. He would be a very reasonable sign (I’m guessing 3 years and around $6M). I think he could operate well next to Joe.

Just heard a lengthy interview with Rick Sund on “Rude Awakening”. Highlights included… Marvin is taking anti-inflammatory medicine. He can’t start rehab until the swelling subsides. Law is taking shots for his back spasms but his return is also in doubt. Sund wants team to win 15-17 road games (I think they are at 14 right now). He thinks Woody has done a better job (than last year) of using the bench. He likes the veteran presence Flip * Mo has brought to the team. Believes that Horford, Smith & Marvin will continue to get better. He did not seem willing to endorse Acie as a bonafide starting PG. When asked about bringing Bibby back, he indictaed that he like the team’s chemistry. Evidently, Joe told Sund earlier that he is having the most fun this season he has ever had in pro basketball.

Did anyone else hear the interview?


March 24th, 2009
10:15 am

ANTS= Angry,Negative Thoughts.

Saw this acronymn on a public TV show about training your brain and thought that it was an interesting concept: keeping those types of thoughts from ruining your life.Little did I know how soon there would be a practical application in my life.

Last nights broadcast of the Hawks game brought some big&*% ANTS to mind.Wilkens and Rathbun’s act was not only not funny, it made me think that they were part of my percieved conspiracy on the part of Hawks management to scapegoat you know who.

The broadcast started out with a trailer hih lighting the battle between Al and Kevin Love as two of the premier young bigs in the league. Well, after Love torched Al for 12 first quarter points and 5 rebounds, all the the two of them could talk about was how good Love was. EXCEPT, whenever the did mention Josh, it was to criticize something he did wrong.

Case in point.On a pick and roll play, Bibby clearly threw a bad pass but Wilkens said ” if Josh would have just rolled a little more..”. And when Josh stole the in bound pass and the converted a contested shot( and was fouled IMO) there was silence from both.At the end of game I was hot. but I remembered the mantra and I said in the end the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice.

My point? My passion for the Hawks sometimes spills over toward individuals and not their actions. While I do not know nor have I ever met any of the owners, mangement or current players, I want them all to do and be the best they can be. Period.
And when they do not meet my lofty standards? No biggy; it is still just entertainment.So I am going to continue to watch and hope but with eye toward being entertained and not the righting of cosmic wrongs.

In other words, I am keeping the ANTS away from my picnic.


March 24th, 2009
10:18 am

Nitram Odarp

March 24th, 2009
10:21 am

Barry stinks