Is Marvin done for the season?
Will a back injury sideline Marvin Williams for the rest of the season?
HAWKSVILLE - No one came out and said it.
They didn’t have to for everyone start talking about it. But everyone wants to know, is Marvin Williams done for the season? Is the lower back injury that the cost him Monday’s game against New Orleans going to cost him the rest of his season?
We were told he will be out “indefinitely,” with more opinions from specialists being sought.
Yet Hawks coach Mike Woodson’s entire demeanor changed when speaking about Williams in the postgame session after the Hawks’ 89-79 defeat of the Hornets.
“He’s going to seek a few more opinions about his back and then I’m sure he’ll make a decision after that and then we’ll know,” Woodson said when asked about his starting small forward’s status.
Make a decision about what?
Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson kicked the door wide open a few minutes later when he was asked about Williams.
“If he’s out for the rest of the season we can’t worry about that,” Johnson said. “We have to move forward with what we’ve got. Injuries are a part of the game, they happen. And unfortunately it’s a tough loss for us, but we have to be strong and be strong for Marvin as well. And everybody will have to step their play up.”
When pressed about it after his initial comments, Johnson admitted that he didn’t know if Williams was done or not.
“I’m just saying worst case scenario,” Johnson said. “You have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.”
That doesn’t sound terribly hopeful.
So in the meantime, the tough question remains, is Marvin done for the season?
And if so, what can the Hawks do to replace him?
It’s obvious the Hawks can ill afford to lose Williams, or any of their starters, for the remainder of this season.
Not only is Williams their fourth leading scorer (14.0) one of their top rebounders (6.4), he’s also been their best defender of wing forwards all season, with Johnson concentrating on opposing point guards most of the time.
The Hawks also lack a backup small forward with the size and range of Williams (6-9, 240), who also shoots 35 percent from beyond the 3-point line (where’s Josh Childress when you need him? Oh yeah, dude’s in Greece).
JChil is in Greece!
Facing the likes of LeBron James, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony and others this season, Williams has more than held his own. In this, his fourth season, he finally started to shed some of the grief (most all of it unwarranted) he’s taken over the years for not being Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
So how wacky is that Paul was in the house Monday (24 points, 10 assists and dazzling the entire night) and Deron Williams and the Utah Jazz will be here Wednesday?
Remember me?
The Billy Knight bashers out there couldn’t have asked for a better scenario (and I imagine they were going to be out in full force whether Marvin was injured or not).
If he is done for the remainder of the season, which at least appears to be a possibility at this point, things change dramatically not only for the Hawks but for the entire Eastern Conference.
Hanging on to that fourth spot becomes an even taller order for the Hawks. And teams eye-balling the Hawks in a potential first round matchup know that they’ll face a much different crew than the one they’ve seen all year with Williams playing a huge role.
However you twist it, things are going to take a major turn if we get the “worst-case” answer to our question.
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TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
12:39 am
Losing Marvin sucks, but not the end of the world.
Dude averages 14 ppg in his 4th season, down .8 from last year. His FG % and FT % are both down.
I think Flip can carry the load as a starter, and if we can beat NOH with as much energy as we did Monday night, we will be fine. Thank God this injury is not to Horford or Bibby–that would be 6x worse. Do I like Marvin? Yes. Can we win a series without him? Yes
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
12:41 am
Sekou, do you know on what play Marv got this injury? I saw him on the bench with that back brace on Saturday, noticed he was sitting out most of the 2nd half, and assumed Woody was going with his best lineup at the moment and maybe Marv had a bad back, since his posture is awful.
gypsyjoe
March 10th, 2009
12:42 am
Man the Marvin news is a real jolt to this young team. We just have to hope that the rest of the team can pick it up. Looks like Acie,Solo,Mario and even Morris might have to pick up the slack. lets just hope Marvin is not lost for long. He has realy played well this season. GO HAWKS!!! GET BETTER MARVIN.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 10th, 2009
12:50 am
Losing Marvin is pretty serious. The Hawks can win without him, but it means that Woody is probably going to ride his starters for big minutes more than ever, especially in close games. The Hawks don’t have the kind of depth to make up for something like this over a long period of time. At the very least, Mo Evans is going to have to shoot 3’s and defend the way he did in November.
Hopefully it’s something that he can return from in a week or two if not sooner.
Sekou K. Smith
March 10th, 2009
12:59 am
I don’t remember the play. I’m going to watch the Detroit game again in tomorrow to see if I can spot it. He said Saturday night that he was going up for a rebound and felt the pain. I’m not even sure it was a contact play. Crazy.
And maybe this is something he can come back from sooner than anyone thinks. But the way everyone was talking tonight, it didn’t sound positive.
Ed
March 10th, 2009
1:03 am
We all know why we don’t have depth…Woody’s absolute refusal to develop his young players. Acie’s up to the challenge anyway I do believe with just a modicum of encouragent from the Woodster.
rms
March 10th, 2009
1:06 am
hope it aint a disc. That will definitely be a season ender right there. I hope he has the mental toughness to bounce back strong.
bj
March 10th, 2009
1:20 am
Let’s hope Marvin is ok. My guess is that the Hawks may mine the DLeague for another former Tar Heel who plays small forward and has range. He is also a Williams. I’m talking about Jawad Williams who was recently named the top prospect in the Dleague.
Clyde
March 10th, 2009
1:28 am
I’m a Billy Knight basher but I ain’t going right now. The win last night was a good step in the right direction for the Hawks. As much as I don’t like Woody’s coaching style, he seems to coach better when the Hawks have injuries. This was the case last night.
BA
March 10th, 2009
1:33 am
Scary. Can Pachulia be a legitimate starting 5 in the NBA? Can Smith hit enough jumpers to be an effective 3?
Can we get Marvin some kind of Rip Hamilton mask for his back?
Too bad Atlanta didn’t aqquire, you know, ANY help for the frontcourt the last couple of weeks. Can’t sell as much beer and popcorn if the Hawks don’t make it to the second round.
BA
March 10th, 2009
1:46 am
Clyde the glide with a rare valid point- Woodson does seem to do better when the chips are down. I think he handled the Josh Smith situation pretty well, too- judging from the early returns.
I can’t see Smith being effective at the 3, though. If Williams is gone, start Flip Murray at the 2 and shift Joe to the 3.
Ariose
March 10th, 2009
1:53 am
This really hurts us, but I still don’t see the Hawks loosing too many more home games regardless if he’s here or not…..but yes if’s he’s not back by the playoffs we’re done…..seriously. We might not even make it out of the first round, homecourt advantage or not.
~Sir Links A Lot~
mykhalc
March 10th, 2009
2:55 am
WOODSON doesn’t coach any better with a short bench. he just has to coach less…less choices. hate that MARVIN is hurt tho. but the more the chances of WOODSON’s brainless moves are removed from the equation the better the HAWKS chances are for a W IMHO. like i said before…he is the prefect coach for HORSE…one player, one play!!! can you say iso for JOE??? sounds like a match to me!!!
Jed
March 10th, 2009
3:07 am
Let’s see. We’ve won without Marvin. We’ve won without Joe. We’ve won without Al and without Josh. We’ve won without Bibby.
Who else is there? Who’s the constant? Surely not that old fart sitting on the bench. What does HE do? Stupid fossil sits Acie, playing those boring vets Flip & Mo. When our offense bogs down, he keeps harping about getting it started with defense.
Only constant is whether they do what he says. Maybe he could say it better. Maybe he could use a psychological trick or two. Dadgum it…..why won’t this team LOSE, for heaven sake, so we can finally get rid of him?
Oh, yeah–I forgot: because what would we do without our precious scapegoat?
doc
March 10th, 2009
7:07 am
you do what we saw last night. insert joe johnson at the three and put acie in the game for extended play to shut down and run the other guys point guards down. then you have a coach to manage situations by playing the whole bench including solo.
woody will need to use a nine man rotation. acie, flip and joe as 1, 2 and 3 handled things pretty well last night during the stretch we shut them down in the second quarter. solo actually has more offensive potential than al or smash when it comes to offensive touch if anyone has missed it in his brief sightings off the bench.
anyone find out how chills is dong after his hernia surgery? he should be ready for a comeback about now. his salary is already being carried as part of the cap space anyway. as ba says sell some more goods for the playoffs. get him back and realize acie is going to be the point guard next year because we cant spend money we dot have on a point guard the likes of bibby. with the economy the way it is i imagine the russians owning the greek team wont put up much of a fuss to lose chills. desperate times means desperate measures. pretend we got a greek farm team and bring him up.
rod couldnt be happier, got his wish. no more slip and slide marvin.
Willie Coyote
March 10th, 2009
7:53 am
Woody seems to coach better with injuries because he is forced to use some of those guys usually chained to the bench. Acie, this is your shot!!!
O'brien
March 10th, 2009
8:00 am
Here we are talking about Marvin, but yet we are 9-1 in games started by Mo Evans. Interesting. Plus I think if Woody had done a better job of developing the bench, we would be in better shape.
In the meantime, I wonder how Josh would handle playing the 3, if you slide Al to PF, and start Solo (Zaza is more effective coming off the bench).
Big Ray
March 10th, 2009
8:36 am
Had a previous appointment that I had to attend last night, so I watched the recorded game this morning.
Man, was it good to see Joe get untracked tonight. He was seriously due for a game like this. Hell, a few games like this. And I think the main reason was the fact that he was not saddled with distribution duties.
While I won’t swallow the nonsense about Woodson “saving Acie Law for the stretch run”, I’ll say that Law showed us his value when given good minutes. Not only was he able to make things difficult for Law (freeing up JJ to guard his actual counterpart), but he was able to penetrate and dish when given the green light. The guy was great at penetrating, and didn’t turn over the ball once.
Let’s be honest (for those who are willing). Injuries are why Solo and Acie got into the game. Solo looks rusty, but willing to help. Acie looked ready. More than ready. But it doesn’t matter. Woodson did a good job by not only letting Acie into the game early, but bringing him back when it was clear that Mike Bibby once again did not have it.
Josh Smith did what he needed to do, namely provide some great defense, good rebounding, and hitting a few shots here and there. Hate him or love him, nobody takes more charges on the team than he does. And only Horford can match him with the long outlet pass. He had a couple of beautiful assists (including a no-look..yes, I said no-look pass to JJ for a 3). There were times that he tapped the ball back out on offense when he knew he couldn’t secure the rebound. And he made some very good plays down the stretch, at the end. Hate him or love him, he was and is a difference-maker. Sure, he had some butter-finger turnovers and shot 5-13 from the floor. But ask his teammates what they thought he did out there. Ask his opponents.
When it comes to bad shooting, Bibby was worst, going 4-13 from the field, including a relentless 1-7 from 3 point range. Ugly. Clearly he is not all the way back on track, though he hit one heck of a dagger towards the end. He’ll come back on track, eventually. We’ll need it too, without the perimeter threat services of Marvin Williams.
Zaza proves his worth once again. I will miss him when he’s gone (assuming he’s let go at season’s end).
Flip should be in the running for 6th man of the year. Period.
smartguy
March 10th, 2009
8:37 am
FIRE MIKE WOODSON! NOW!!
Ben M
March 10th, 2009
8:47 am
Sekou,
If Marv is indeed out for the year, I’d really like to see Sund go after a guy like Ronald Dupree or Mickael Gelabale (both previously with Sund in Seattle). Both are athletic and can help defensively for a Playoff run. Both are currently without a team and I think Sund’s familiarity with them could only help. Relying on Solo to guard wing players is not an idea we should be comfortable with.
Just my 2…
Astro Joe
March 10th, 2009
8:55 am
If we lose Marvin, that is a HUGE set-back. Sund can’t sit on his hands and do nothing. He needs to cut loose Thomas Gardner and go sign a vet. Where’s Robert Horry? Ruben Patterson? Bonzi Wells? No, not to start and play 30 minutes but to give us 12-15 minutes of smart play. Mo Evans is not a starting SF on a playoff-bound team. I agree with doc, Joe is a better SF than Smith but Sund can’t roll the dice and expect to win a playoff series with Woody playing a 3-guard set for extended minutes in the post-season.
KevinA
March 10th, 2009
9:15 am
Lets just start Gardner and see what happens. Lets see if he can play defense and pass to the front court. How good is he on the fast break? He dosen’t need to score much. We need Flip and ZaZa coming off the bench. Could we see a Speedy sighting?
KevinA
March 10th, 2009
9:23 am
Don’t forget Hunter. These guys are pro’s and maybe just need a little playing time.
newkid
March 10th, 2009
9:25 am
Wow, really good insight at 7:07 doc. Only had radio access to the game last night, so the picture you painted with JJ spending significant time at SF was really helpful. Thanks.
Lloyd Dotson
March 10th, 2009
9:35 am
Marvin produces at a second teamer level and thus far has not met the expectations that go along with being the second overall pick. Now, was it his fault that he was chosen that high? No. However, he doesn’t bring it and seemingly hasn’t worked hard enough on his game to improve it.
Jesse
March 10th, 2009
9:53 am
Marvin’s had back issues since the day he was drafted. If you just watch him walk you can tell something is off. He has a sway back, which is going to lead to more problems. He needs to be raulfed or go to a chiropractor. But it’s not going to get better if he doesn’t. It looks like when he walks he’s in pain. That’s a problem. The older he gets the worse the pain will be. He has stepped up his D though and the Hawks will miss him a lot. I think this issue means they don’t resign him to be honest.
Big Ray
March 10th, 2009
9:57 am
Shameless plug alert!
New Hawks Hacks blog up…
JM
March 10th, 2009
10:00 am
Was at the game last night. Way too many N.O. fans. At one point in the fourth, Josh gestured to the crowd to make some noise. These guys feed of the home crowd – so lets give’m some energy.
If Marvin is out, I would start Zaza at 5, Al at 4 and Josh at 3 and increase Acie’s minutes with Bibby/Flip at 2 and JJ at 3.
And to those yelling “Marvin’s better” when CP3 had the ball – let’s give that a rest when Deron in the building. Just boo the guy, it’ll sound more legit.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
10:23 am
The thing that sucks the most about Duck being out is that we have no backup wing over 6″5 unless you want to put 6″7 Joe at the 3.
Our bench, outside of Flip, ZaZa, and Mo (who doesn’t put up numbers), just **stinks** . How can a playoff team have Solomon Jones, Randy, Mario, Gardner, and Othello on its active roster? These guys should not be getting minutes on any roster. Mario is an awful basketball player, as much as we love him, Randy does everything in slow motion, like if you hit that button on TiVo, he does everything at half-speed.
Solomon is our **team cheerleader** and nothing else
cjizzle
March 10th, 2009
10:23 am
I predict if Marv is out for any significant amount of time we could slip to 6th or 7th place in the east. He has been huge this season for us!!! His defense has been sparkling on a lot of superstar players!! He has provided some much needed protection for Joe and Bibby as the third go to player. His shots are much more selective than Josh Smith’s. He gives us a legitimate scorer if Bibby or Joe is shut down on any given night. He is actually showing us his potential as the number two pick only to suffer this blow!
Gary
March 10th, 2009
10:25 am
Doc, have you ever considered using punctuation or capitals? No one can understand what you write.
Do we not still have money left from the MLE to sign someone right now? Mo and Flip cost about 3.5 a year right now, so we should have some money maybe?
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
10:25 am
Do we not still have money left from the MLE to sign someone right now? Mo and Flip cost about 3.5 a year right now, so we should have some money maybe?
otisfirefly
March 10th, 2009
10:26 am
Last night’s rotation of starters and bench help worked out very well. I would keep Mo in place of Marvin while he is injured. I really enjoyed watching the hustle when Acie, Zaza, and Flip were on the floor together. Even though the Hawks are not deep, these guys are relentless with defense and offensive rebounds when they are in the game.
Dylan
March 10th, 2009
10:33 am
Is there anybody out there sitting around on the free agent market that the Hawks could consider signing??????????????
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
10:44 am
I don’t understand why we can’t play Speedy Claxton. These owners are multi-millionaires. Is paying a solid point guard 5.5 million this year that much of a hassle? Speedy will win us at least 2 or 3 more additional games to what we’d already win.
Cheap idiots
Mike
March 10th, 2009
10:45 am
Marvin hits the floor entirely too hard when he falls. I swear he hits that hard wood at least 3 times a game with maximum force. He needs to work on being aggressive without being so clumsy.
Melvin
March 10th, 2009
10:50 am
Is Gary really Tsk0o0o?????????
If Marvin is out for the year and we can’t bring JChill back. Then I say we bring in the hire gunner himself, Antoine Walker. Watch him Shimmy all the way down Peachtree…
Ryder
March 10th, 2009
11:06 am
Maybe it’s because Speedy is so injured he just is unable to play anymore TskOoO. Moron.
Anyway, to quote Bill Simmons I smell Ewing Theory in regards to Marvin’s injury. Now we’ll get to see what kind of coach Woodson really is, as he has to now use more of the bench players like Acie and Mario West. Also, Atlanta can play Josh Smith can play the 3 as well as having Horford at his rightful PF spot.
The offense also gets to become more of a half-court style which is needed come playoff time.
SlimG
March 10th, 2009
11:07 am
All you Marvin bashers now understand the play of our up and coming star. This kid will be productive in this league for years. He’s only like how old? Yeah, still learning. Point guards are hard to find in this league, I’ll agree, but a guy like Marv doesn’t come along very often. Defense, rebounds, and unselfish play in the NBA, stop hating Marv. Get well soon buddy, we need you or we’re out in the first round again. AAAARGGGGG!
MAC-TOWN
March 10th, 2009
11:15 am
Hawks = 9-1 when Mo Evans starts……….just saying
Daniel
March 10th, 2009
11:18 am
Oh, boy we really need Marvin to do anything in the playoffs. When can we expect to hear something?
MAC-TOWN
March 10th, 2009
11:22 am
I agree with Mike
MAC-TOWN
March 10th, 2009
11:25 am
I bashed Marvin last year but I really like his improvement this year. I like the improvement alot. I believe it is definitely a lost.
I think this year a realistic goal was the 2nd round, which I think we can do even without marvin, though.
If we stay in 4th or 5th…we’re gonna play the heat, pistons or Sixers.
We can beat them w/o Marvin.
Now we NEED marvin if we expected to beat the BIG BOYS
Wink from Lithonia
March 10th, 2009
11:25 am
If Marvin is done for the season, which I doubt, we might be okay. What I have come to understand about these Hawks is that they beat anybody & lose to anybody.
Said another way they can lose to inferior teams & beat good teams. I have also noticed of late, when a starter is out they play much better. They look more like a basketball team. We won the two games when Joe was out, we beat Hornets & Detroit without Marvin (well Marvin had 4 pts in Detroit win & 28 pts in Wizards win, point being they play better of late when a starter is out. It forces Woody to use the bench.
They may surprise us on this home stand, we have only quality teams coming in, we have won 2 of 7 so far. A starter goes down, another starter steps up. Base on the above regarding Marvin’s output, quality team he defer to others, lesser opponent he scores big numbers. Did you see Joe step his game up last night, before that it was Josh, before that it was Al with the big night, Bibby is struggling and AC gets a few shining moments this week.
So guys they are inconsistent, you don’t know who will step up to fill Marvin’s shoes, I just know somebody will, they will dig a hole for themselves early, it will be close in the end, we may win or we may lose…so strap on your seat belt and enjoy the ride!
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
11:27 am
Ryder, maybe you didn’t read Sekou’s piece on Speedy last week. Moron.
Smoove at the 3? Nice. That move will definitely help utilize Smoove’s elite shooting, dribbling skills, and moving without the ball.
Wink from Lithonia
March 10th, 2009
11:32 am
Let’s just be thankful, we are not the #1 in East, we would surly lose to #8. Being 4th or 5th would give us our best chance to advance to 2nd round, because we should be playing a team just like us.
Rod from College Park
March 10th, 2009
11:35 am
Mike,
Don’t make that comment about Marvin falling without facts. According to some people on the blog, Marvin is the next great thing in the NBA (LOL). You might get a blog ticket from Sautee. I do not believe in kicking a man when he is down, but most people on the blog know that I do not care for Marvin’s game. I actually think that his injury will force Woodson to play Law more, which will be better in the long run for the Hawks. If he does have a serious back problem, it will hopefully keep the Hawks from investing a lot of money in him after this year, which will be in the Hawks best interest. As stated earlier, the Hawks are 9-1 when Moe Evans starts, so obviously that is the way we should go. Should have been that way all year. Evans shoots the three ball at a higher percentage than Marvin, and is a better defender at his position than Marvin. Evans cannot guard small forwards, he is to small, but he can defend the 2. Joe will have to move over to the 3, which he can do. Just one question I have for most of you, what games did you watch this year that have convinced you of Marvin’s great defensive ability. I can think of two games that you will throw out there. The Cleveland game and the Denver game. Is it possible that maybe Lebron and Carmelo had bad games? Lebron still had 26 that game. He sure did not shut down Gerald Wallace. My point with Marvin has always been that he is not a difference maker. Last night’s game is why I will defend Josh over Marvin any day of the week. When Josh is good, he is a difference maker.
TskOoOo – Glad you used those stats. The stats don’t tell me that Marvin is better than he was last year.
Daniel
March 10th, 2009
11:45 am
Rod-
you are not watching the same team that I am. Mo Evans is a nice player, but he is not a better defender or scorer than Marvin. Also, when Josh plays within himself he can help this team a lot, but on the same token his terrible plays have cost this team a lot. I would say this season his bad and good are about even. Which essentially means the team would be better off without him. The hope is that Josh can play more consistently, but we have been hoping for years now…
As for the games you mentioned, it was Marvin’s ability to keep two of the leagues elite players from getting to wherever they wanted on the floor and making them take more difficult shots are what lead the to their “bad” games. It also really says something to me; about you as a person if you are wishing for career altering injuries on anyone. Dude, you don’t have to like Marvin’s game, but seriously you are talking about a human being here. Get your head on straight.
Rod from College Park
March 10th, 2009
12:31 pm
Daniel,
Can you read? Where is my post did you see me wish a career ending injury on Marvin? I would never do that, as much as I don’t like his game. But when it relates, to the Hawks, and us investing millions of dollars in a player who has back issues, I think that is a very relevant point. Trust me, I know because my back is messed up, it is not something that you just get over. A lot of back issues linger and will cause problems for the rest of your life. I herniated a disk when I was 19, and still have problems to his day. See Tracy McGrady. I actually watch the exact same games you watch, and don’t see where he is a great defensive player. That is my opinion, and I an entitled to that.
Show me state
March 10th, 2009
12:39 pm
I wanted to say good game by the Hawks last night. I just wish they wouldn’t start so slow. If they can do that then they can blow by people. Back to the Marvin subject, i think they should run the starting lineup like this C- Zaza Pachulia PF Al Horford SF Josh Smith SG Joe Johnson and PG Mike Bibby and Woody can finish the bench part. This is in regard to “worst case scenario”.
ValdostaMike
March 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
Get well soon, Marvin.
Marvin's Doctor
March 10th, 2009
12:55 pm
Well folks according to the MRI, He has been diagnosed with “old man’s walk” This means his temperal dorsal aka his backside sticks way out when he walks, almost duck-like. I will have the nurse prescribe some Forrest Gump braces and fix him up for next season.
fudd21
March 10th, 2009
12:59 pm
Rod, your comments always put a smile on my face. Question for you though. Josh’s stats have decreased pretty much across the board this year. Would you say he has digressed as a player. if not, what are the reasons for his numbers being down.
Show me, any lineup that puts Josh on the perimeter (having ZaZa and Al starting would do that) I am against bigtime. His game flourishes when he attacks the basket especially when guarded by other PF who are typically slower than he is. Putting him back on the perimeter with ZaZa and Al in the paint may get him back into his jump/3 pt shooting ways.
jhan
March 10th, 2009
1:08 pm
I like the line-up of Acie, Flip, Joe, Josh & Al. This team can play defense & both Acie & Flip will attack the basket. This also allows Joe to work without the ball. It also keep Josh & Al close to the basket.
I don’t see this as the starting unit but I would like to see this mixture for at least 15-20 minutes per game
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
1:28 pm
Where is Ruben Patterson? We should get this guy and play Speedy. Then you are talking about a solid bench with defense all around.
Why is ASG so poor/cheap? Play Speedy–the guy makes 5.5 million a year. Can 7 owners not afford to pay him? The guy said he’s healthy–give it a shot, especially with Bibby in a century-long slump except for the DET game on Sat.
doc
March 10th, 2009
1:48 pm
jhan i see you agree with comments earlier.
DunwoodyHawk
March 10th, 2009
1:54 pm
Uh, folks, the reason Speedy ain’t playing is probably because his injury is being covered by insurance — so as long as he sits, the ASG is reimbursed by their insurance carrier or some or all of his salary. If he plays, they pay. The ASG has probably decided that given that Speedy hasn’t played in 3 years, his contributions aren’t worth the financial hit. Besides, adding another back-up point guard is the least of our worries right now.
bigdave
March 10th, 2009
2:01 pm
Samuel,
what do you mean when u say, “Woody was saving Acie for the stretch run…”
Rod from College Park
March 10th, 2009
2:12 pm
Fudd21,
Appreciate it. I agree with your comments. I don’t think Josh should play the 3. I would just insert Mo Evans at the 2 and move Joe to the 3. I really don’t think he has digressed that much. I think Josh’s numbers are down due to a lot of things. The injury early in the season. The guy only missed a couple of games in three years prior to that injury. Coaching!!!! He is not put in good positions on the floor to be as successful. A staple of our offense should be the back door alley oop. Joe pounding the ball everytime down the floor. We used to run that play, but not as much as we do this year. Bibby taking many more shots this year. Josh also is much more emotionally unstable this year for some reason (Free throws). These are some of the thing that I have seen, which have affected his numbers this year.
Spud Webb
March 10th, 2009
2:15 pm
Sekou, thank you for the photo of Billy knight, just threw up!!! ahhaha. I hope Marvin is ok and does the right things to get back, this year or next. A back is a serious thing and I’d hate to see him rush & do perminate damage.
Sekou, any update on woody vs Smith? woody had better start using more of that bench and developing folks. Personally i hope he gets fired ASAP so we can have hope of another playoff run or A playoff run. Just my opinion.
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allan in texas
March 10th, 2009
2:37 pm
Sekou, I see where the warriors just released marcus williams. Do you think the hawks have any interest? Thanks.
terrell barron
March 10th, 2009
2:51 pm
We never should have let Von Wafer leave the building when he was on our roster this summer. He coulda stepped right in for Marvin, just like he stepped right in for McGrady. Who’s doing the talent evaluating around here? Idiots.
terrell barron
March 10th, 2009
3:03 pm
If Marvin is out for the year, will Sund trade him before the 2009-2010 season? Because like he said that he needs an entire SEASON to do his evaluating. Whatever the heck that means.
terrell barron
March 10th, 2009
3:05 pm
Sekou, how in the hell do you edit your post on this thing?
terrell barron
March 10th, 2009
3:06 pm
Allan in Texas, pg is the least of our worries right now. Especially an unproven one.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
3:35 pm
Man between the porn sites and this blog, I barely have time to pick my nose.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 10th, 2009
3:41 pm
“And to those yelling “Marvin’s better” when CP3 had the ball – let’s give that a rest when Deron in the building. Just boo the guy, it’ll sound more legit.”
That was me.
No, I don’t actually think Marvin’s better. But it does make for some quality entertainment, don’t you think?
gypsyjoe
March 10th, 2009
3:44 pm
Somebody metioned Bonzi Wells for a guy that might be able to help out till Marvin comes back.(if he is out long). Did a google and Bonzi was in China but got cut when he did’nt come back from the U.S after chinese new year.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 10th, 2009
4:09 pm
Last I heard, Bonzi Wells was getting paid $80,000 (not a typo) to play in China. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind suiting up for the Hawks for the veterans’ minimum.
Rod from College Park
March 10th, 2009
4:17 pm
I like the Bonzi Wells talk. I think he would be a legit scoring option at the 3. He is also a very good finisher at the rim, and would give this team a little more toughness. He could give us everything and more than Marvin gives us except for rebounding. I think about how he went nuts in the playoffs 2 years ago. Make a move Sund.
newkid
March 10th, 2009
4:28 pm
Speaking of CP3, as I watched Ty Lawson and the Heels beat Duke on Sunday I couldn’t help wondering if the team that drafts him might not get a poor man’s version of Paul. While he’s vertically challenged, this kid’s a baller. Both his on-ball defense and speed are superior to Paul’s, but creativity, charisma, and jumpshot don’t quite measure up. He’s exceptional at playing passing lanes, getting the ball to teammates in positions where they can be effective, and finding and getting to crevices in defenses where he can get his shot off. Would be exciting to see him with a team with the ‘horses’ to run and a coach with an offensive scheme similar to D’Antoni’s.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
4:30 pm
It’s my personal opinion that resigning ZaZa and Flip is more important than resigning Marv and Bibby. In other words, the money they make compared to the money Duck and Bibs will ask for is definitely more favorable. One can even argue that Flip is better and plays with more fire than Marv, plus he plays the 1 and 2 very well. ZaZa crashes the board on every single play and I can’t believe dude only makes 4 mill a year. We cannot let another team steal him.
On the other hand, Bib is virtually useless when he doesn’t make shots, is out of shape, and is always sick or getting hurt. Marv’s horrendous-postured back could be a reason for concern, but we’ll have to wait and see.
I would love to get my hands on Ruben Patterson or Bonzi Wells (both are nutcases I think though)…No homo…
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
4:34 pm
This bench needs to get better this summer.
Solo, Randy, Gardner, Othello, Mario as 5 guys consistently on the active roster is just putrid. Can ASG not afford anyone?
Also, why does being over the cap matter so much? Every team worth a squirt of piss is over the cap, so can we please spend some more money on better bench players than Jamal Jackson and Steven Jones
SB
March 10th, 2009
4:47 pm
I would be in favor of starting Smith at the 3, Horford at 4, and ZaZa in the middle. Reason being although I like Flips attitude off the bench, His shoot first style of play would make our offense more predictable than it already is. The ball would never go into the post to Al or Josh. Can you actually imagine Joe taking 17 to 25 shots, Flip taking 20, and Bibby putting up 14 to 18. That’s not what you want. And I like all these guys, just saying 55 to 60 jump shots a game spells LOOSING……… To everyone taking side ways shots at Josh, give it a rest. Marvins shot selection isn’t better, neither is Joe’s nor Bibby’s, nor Flip, they all have better jumpers. But as a whole our offense takes bad shots at time due to to much Iso dribbling.
SB
March 10th, 2009
4:54 pm
Also……. Never in favor of any injury’s…… NEVER……. But i always try to find something positive in everything. Maybe This drives down his market value this off season. Maybe we won’t have to go through what we went with Josh. AC looked good last night, get the man some minutes, you may need him next season( Bibby is a free agent). Get him in this summer with Mark Price to work on his stroke. Josh as well, Maybe get Kenny Anderson in here to work with them on their ball handling.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
5:25 pm
I find this Dwyane Wade MVP talk to be grossly out-of-line. If you want to make a player on an average team barely over .500 the MVP, you might as well put Andre Miller or Dirk Nowitzki in the MVP talks. Kobe and LeBron are head and shoulders above the rest of the league, and trust me, I hate LeBron more than I hate most people on this planet, but he is the MVP this year
darrell starks
March 10th, 2009
6:04 pm
Woody should starte BIBBY, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, AND ZAZA. BACK UP ACIE, FLIP, EVANS, SOLO, AND MORRIS,this would be a stronger team defensely.GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
7:33 pm
Next season:
1) Iverson goes to the Clippers, a team full of underachieving and selfish basketball players
2) Shaq gets traded — he obviously hates the up-tempo offense, the losing. Shaq for Andrew Bynum, and he’ll sign a smaller contract to end his career there if Lakers don’t win championship this year.
U heard it here first
otrhawksfan
March 10th, 2009
7:50 pm
what free agent is out their that the hawks could pick up?
hawkfan
March 10th, 2009
8:18 pm
this is an excerpt from the article about playoff prediction in the bleacher report:
- Pistons vs. Hawks
The Pistons have played the Hawks three times this season and have come away with three losses. All the games were close, the biggest margin of victory being seven points.
The Hawks have a very strong starting five and play very well at home. Al Horford, Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams can cause problems down low for the Pistons. Joe Johnson may be one of the most underrated two-guards in the league.
But the Hawks don’t have a strong bench, and if the Pistons can get Iverson in the right mindset, they should be able to beat the Hawks in a first-round matchup.
Hamilton can have a field day with either Bibby or Johnson guarding him. Also, the Hawks have a tough time with zone defense, which Coach Curry does teach well. This would be a favorable showdown for Detroit, despite the season series.
yea, im kind of scared for the post season, no one takes us seriously and I don’t see us doing much or going very far with whomever we face, I hope they prove me wrong though, GO HAWKS!!!
doc
March 10th, 2009
8:47 pm
tsk oo oo, check back to the blog around the all star game when i said that was a possibility after seeing them together with phil watching on with a smile on his face. kobe needs to get a championship beforehand maybe to make it more than a nostalgic moment. sorry dude you are second in line.
Patrick
March 10th, 2009
8:55 pm
I’m not really concerned about the regular season. The Hawks play great at home and I think they play more home games from now till the end of the season than any other team.
The major concern is the playoffs, with either Detroit or Miami as the likely opponent. I think the Hawks will struggle containing Wade or Hamilton without Williams. Evans or Murray can replace most of what Marvin does on offense (if not all of it), but defensively neither of them are half the player that Williams is.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
9:36 pm
doc, give me a break. hundreds of people are thinking that shaq and kobe will be reunited, but the fast-tempo offense phx is playing is the clincher. i am sorry i am not as smart as you.
coming to think of it, you and ray are the absolute smartest people to ever walk through planet earth. You want a cookie?
doc
March 10th, 2009
9:54 pm
tsk oo oo, a little put off there guy? tsk tsk, guess i shouldnt have burst your bubble that you built there saying you were the first. a bit sensitive? just playing with your comments guy, you probably need the sugar more than me so keep your cookie.
thomas
March 10th, 2009
10:17 pm
SIGN DREW GOODEN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
richbrave
March 10th, 2009
10:34 pm
And from most of you last year he was “duck” and couldn’t do anything right. He and the team have come a long way baby.
TskOoOo
March 10th, 2009
11:24 pm
doc, no one on this baord takes you seriously. you and your lame friend ray need to get a life outside of here. i could give a crap less about you or your arrogant hogwash you write here. Learn some f’ing capitalization and punctuation and stop acting like you run this palce
Melvin
March 10th, 2009
11:59 pm
thomas, the spurs already signed Drew Gooden…
TskOoOo
March 11th, 2009
12:06 am
Clippers are a fun team to watch. They only decide to show up when they feel like it. Taking care of the overrated Cavs right now
LouHudson
March 11th, 2009
1:24 am
I have been saying two years Marvin Williams is a major problem to the Hawks winning games. He’s a solid NBA player, but not a STAR. He will never be everything other than what he is(average). He clogs the Hawks starting lineup as well as disturbing the bench rotation. He’s fools gold he shows glimces of greatest, but not enough to hold back the development of the team. Why would anyone play two of your best players out of position to allow him to start. Al’s a 4 and Josh should be running at the 3. Two years ago, ZaZa averaged 12 & 9 before Woody’s shortsightness disrupted his development. Josh Childress is the perfect 6th man and if you sign & trade Marvin next year; he will be back. There’s no need for Evans. The Hawks need to re-sign ZaZa and Flip. Offer Bibby three years for around 25M; he knows its his last contract. Nobody else will offer more.
Here’s your lineup ZaZa(5), Al(4), Josh(3), Joe(2), & Bibby. 2nd team Morris/Solo, sign backup PF, Jchill, Flip, & Acie. Woody will have to grow as a Coach or get Fired which will probably happen when the ownership question is answered. Unfortunately, Marvin & Woody have doomed the team for a second round loss the playoffs this year. Hopefully, Woody will get a clue and use the last 20 games to prepare for the playoff and maybe the Hawks can surprise someone in the 2nd round.
kirkinga
March 11th, 2009
1:32 am
This is just a devastating blow. As everyone else has said this is a change event of uncertain dimension.
I second the call by others that Sund reach out to a FA vet that can play a solid 12-15 minutes, preferably with playoff experience.
Get the right guy and the Hawks could still hold on to the 4th spot, but my guess this the price of this injury is going to be playoff position, not the playoffs.
Dark times in Hawksville.
Go Hawks!!
Zo from SAV
March 11th, 2009
3:19 am
I cant believe some of the things im reading. Marvin, get well. As far as the lineup goes, Mo isnt going to contribute as much as Marv can. Mo cant defend the 3, given the fact that he’s only 6′5″. He can make the 3, but he isnt consistent enought o be a a real offensive threat. Smoove can play the 3, not because of his ball handling or shooting abilty, but because he is a true slasher that can finish at the rim, and because of his DEFENSE. We have to take a chance with ZaZa or Solo at the 5, Boss(Al) at the 4(his true position. He’ll explode at the PF, watch and see), Smoove at the 3, JJ at the 2 with Flip or Mo backing him up, and Bob at the 1 with Acie and Flip backing him up. That should be the starting 5. Marvin is worthy to start, especially since he’s added the deep threat dimension to his game. His defense IS decent, not remarkable, but he has put the team on his back(no pun intended)a few times this year and took over the scoring load. Its a big loss, especially right now, but we can still beat teams without him……Chuuuuch
BA
March 11th, 2009
3:45 am
That was kind of harsh on doc and Ray. It would be hard to find a more amicable pair of individuals.
We don’t need Wells. Slide Johnson to the 3, start Flip at the 2. Acie Law is your back-up guard Woodson, like it or not. Murray brings a lot more to the table than Evans. I’d start Pachulia and Smith at the 3 before I would start Evans.
Patrick
March 11th, 2009
4:46 am
I think it’s unrealistic for Zaza to start given how the Hawks run their offense. With Joe getting so many post isolations, I don’t think you can start Zaza, Al, and Josh, all of whom need to be near the basket to be effective. I think Evans will simply slide into Marvin’s spot, and Acie will likely get actual minutes since the rotation will need an 8th player.
doc
March 11th, 2009
8:06 am
ba agree on it all. i think the hawks can persevere this loss better than they can the loss of either al, jj or josh. it might also prove to allow them to see how important marvin is to the team for negotiation purposes. if they fall apart they better ante up and make sure he goes to the best back surgeon they can find. have a feeling based on his build that his back is and will be an issue his whole career. maybe flash will chime in here o the topic of structure and how it affects performance. in the mean time coach woody gets to do just that, coach. this one will test him more because there are plenty of out of the box things he can do to support the team while marvin is on the bench. he might have to play some guys from his dog house but as we have seen sometimes he is a better coach this way. unfortunately, i see him possibly choking and attempt to do a seven man rotation and wear the team down instead of get them ready to play roles in the playoffs.
yeah ba, tst tsk was a bit harsh. odd he had to bring his anger in and let it rain down on an innocent bystander in ray. no reason for that and quite irrational. odd too how tsk tsk was spouting off about how “you heard it here first” BY HIMSELF, that shaq and kobe were getting back together and then all of a sudden hundreds have the idea when i simply point out to not go too fast on the back slapping as i stated just that earlier in agreement with him only weeks earlier. then to add to it he has to play the no caps game just because i never learned to type. back in my day it wasnt a very guy thing to do, if you catch my drift. you had a girlfriend to do it or wrote it long hand. typing went in with the home ec courses. heh heh. funny, i never say anything about others lack of grammer, misspelling, no paragraphs, thought structure or the popular concept of spell it any way you want and he wants to go there. it is all cool when it comes to that stuff. talk about being arrogant and intolerant of others. geez, it is only a blog for gosh sakes. scroll baby if you dont lke it!
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2009
8:58 am
scroll baby. Nice one, doc.
doc
March 11th, 2009
9:11 am
yeah aj, sometimes it is as simple as a ding sometimes it is a scroll.
Melvin
March 11th, 2009
9:49 am
doc, did you drink your coffee this morning…lol
JM
March 11th, 2009
9:54 am
Najeh, it was only funny because the chant didn’t catch on. Go Hawks!
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2009
9:58 am
Melvin, doc had some Raquel Welsh-looking “dame” doing all of his typing for him back in the day. Probably wearing some short little nurse outfit with some red pumps, hair flowing from her little white hat and, and… OK, I think I better stop now. Anyone have a bag I can breath in?
doc
March 11th, 2009
10:22 am
lol i cant believe tsk tsk had the nerve to challenge me does he understand how important i am i am the smartest person ever to come across ajc and i know more about the hawks than anybody else so for him to chalengl me is definitely wrong melvin i did have my coffee this mroning but it doesnt realy make a difference lol jsut trying to make sure i keep everything here in order and that no one makes any unmerited comments towards me you understand
so onto the hawks tonight will be a tough game but i think we can win last year we won and the previous year we squandered what was it a 20 point lead in the 4th quartre so im optimistic we can pull it out again i will be in my season seats again so i hope to see everyone there then on friday we paly indiana which shiould be winnable since granger isnt coming back til after friday so we win tonight and friday we will be fine the ultimate test is portland who is the exact mirror image of us in the west ern con ference and has a better coach so itll be interesting to see hwo they do
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2009
10:38 am
<>DING!<>
ILL-logical
March 11th, 2009
11:17 am
THREE Things that absolutely must happen this off- season:
1. Add new investors to the (B)ASG. Chris “Ludicris” Bridges is a strong candidate because of his wealth and interest.
2. Trade Joe Johnson. While he still has value and the team can get a solid 5/ draft picks. Bibby is gone , so don’t expect Joe or Woodson to stick around either. To many young guys running around.
3. Whoever is deemed the face(s) of the franchise, please have them interact with the community in a more visible and substantive manner. Joe did not do this and that fact ,along with the reduction of the marketing staff, hurt the Hawks with respect to developing a better fan base.
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2009
11:44 am
If we trade JJ for draft picks and Bibby leaves, it won’t matter who is doing community work, no one is interested in seeing this team return to 20-25 wins and start all over again.
Jamal
March 11th, 2009
11:52 am
ILL-logical your 2nd point is very dumb.
doc
March 11th, 2009
12:02 pm
no melvin, not until i went down to serve soup this morning. slow crowd this am and a few extra volunteers so i got to get some of the real stuff rather than the decaf i usually drink. i cant claim caffeine is the instigator of my arrogance and sense of superiority. just keeping it real. how is your day going?
seems like someone had some fun while i was away. heh heh, no harm, no foul, right?
Astro Joe
March 11th, 2009
12:46 pm
Kind of sad that I know a real doc from a phoney one… thus my “DING” after the bogus one.
Hawks need to run tonight. Only way to netralize the Boozer/Millsap tandem is to turn the tempo up. Woody needs to think GA-400 on a Saturday (as opposed to I-85 on a Friday afternoon). Speed.
jt in dallas
March 11th, 2009
12:46 pm
I was back in the ATL early this week and was able to catch the Hornets game. It was great to see Woody actually use his bench this game. I guess he was just forced to do so. Although Acie didn’t score much, I thought his penetrations provided some great looks for the scorers. Also, his penetrations took some of the focus off Joe from a Hornets defensive scheme.
I really wish that Woody had the sense to realize that he can actually change the offensive & defensive schemes according to who is in the game at the time. This way he plays to his players strengths (not bending his players to his assinine philosophy). Anyways, I hope this is the last year of the Woody Show.
doc
March 11th, 2009
1:24 pm
yeah, aj, pretty obvious, children at play. maybe we need a sign up to warn us when they are around so we watch what we say.
jt, you got it. doubt you get your wish.
Melvin
March 11th, 2009
2:29 pm
Doc, everything is fine. nice to know that you and others are still doing community service in these challenging times. Also, my previous comment was hinting that the Fake Doc comments was out of character for the Real Doc…
The Flash
March 11th, 2009
7:29 pm
I’m betting that Marvin will be fine and within a week, maybe two at the outside. Instead of seeing a surgeon, I think he ought to see a really good osteopath, one who is skilled at cranial sacral work.
Actually, I got a guy, and I’m not kidding now, who is UNBELIEVABLE with backs. He’s trained in three very well respected modalities and has done wonders.
He’s a longtime friend of mine and went to see the 83 grandmother of one of my son’s friends at my request. She had been to the best orthopods and PTs in DC and could not go downstairs, doped up all the time. After he worked on her once, she was almost off the drugs, and was doing the stairs (we’re talking a row house here). After the next visit, she took the bus to see him for the third and last time.
My kid has a minor scoliosis; back issues during soccer. The osteopath who he saw reglarly was out of town. He went to Royal once, and that was it for the osteopath, even though the osteopath had my kid working on a project for which he earned close to eight grand in three weekends. Steven is a full inch and a half taller.
Send MW my way and I’ll get him fixed up.
Rollins Tree
March 11th, 2009
10:58 pm
Still don’t think Woodson is the one to take us to the promise land but if the team continues to play hard like this every game I won’t be disappointed even in a loss. This is what we were expecting all season. Nice win tonight!!
Also – did I see a player on the Jazz team with blue lips? Whats up with that?
lawyer dave
March 12th, 2009
12:16 am
Seeing the Jazz reminds me that Billy Knight not only passed on Deron Williams but less mentioned is also took Solomon Jones over Paul Millsap.
Lets see Chris Paul or Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Paul Millsap
But Billy did a great job right Terrance!
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theJoeJohnsonEffect
March 12th, 2009
11:31 am
What a game last night, I am glad Acie Law is starting to look somewhat comfortable (even though he had some awful shots)…and how about Joe, thank the lord he is playing at an elite level again (I just hope we don’t overwork him, he needs rest Woodson!!). Also, the one thing that I was most impressed with was MARIO WEST, did you see that dunk he made flying in from the 3 point line???? Woodson needs to give him more playing time, this guy can develop into a formidable bench player that can D up on almost anybody!!!
snaddermen
March 12th, 2009
12:52 pm
Sekou… don’t act like you were a Billy Knight supporter. I think you’re trying to hit on something else. Just come right out and say it.
snaddermen
March 12th, 2009
12:53 pm
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Barry
March 12th, 2009
1:35 pm
Hey Y’all;
This is still Round 8 of a great fight. The Hawks have landed lefts and rights and have the opposition staggered. The opposition is trying to figure out which hand they are going to get hit with in fear of the Hawks knock out punch. However, the Hawks, knowing their capabilities, are just jabbing and jabbing away hard dazing their foe. Nonetheless, holding the knockout punch for the end. POP! POP! POP! goes the punches off the head of our foes. They swing, but the Hawks duck and smile a mighty grin with their eyes focused on the prize and their adrenaline pumping in excitement knowing that the end is comming to the opposition in due time. And wait! WE HAVE NOT EVEN DONE THE SHUFFLE YET!!!!
To be continued………………………………….
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This is a SECRET from a HAWK FAN. TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See Y’all at PHILLIPS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!!”
Ringold
Gumby Williams
March 12th, 2009
3:33 pm
I dont understand why people are so enamored with Marvin Williams. I am somewhat impressed with Marvin with his much improved attitude, better shooting skills and overall high powered energy that he has displayed in most of the games this season. However, he is certainly no Deron Williams or Chris Paul (CP3) and we could have drafted either of those two standouts (potential future hall of famers) instead of Marvin Williams. No one can tell me that the Hawks are better off with Marvin Williams instead of CP3 or Deron Williams. I believe that if the Hawks had drafted either of those two point guards, the Hawks would be on the level of Cleveland, Boston, Lakers, and Orlando (superpowers of the NBA). You have those four teams and then you have everybody else. The Hawks would clearly have been a perennial championship threat had they landed either Chris Paul or Deron Williams in the draft instead of Marvin Williams. I believe those two guys will impact their teams as much or more than the way Magic Johnson impacted the Lakers in the ’80s (five titles). That is only my opinion but I am convinced after seeing those two guys play (Williams and Paul), that they will certainly be two future hall of famers and I am absolutely convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt that Marvin Williams WILL NOT MAKE THE HALL OF FAME SOMEDAY. NO WAY POSSIBLE unless he somehow, miraculously transforms himself into the INCREDIBLE HULK and then there will be a chance for him to make it.
Dan Laroushe
March 20th, 2009
8:55 am
hey dod do you have my wallet? and marvin is a marshin