General Hawkspital

 

Luke and Laura or Josh and Woody?

Luke and Laura or Josh and Woody?

HAWKSVILLE – So we’re back to this are we?

Feuds between Hawks coach Mike Woodson and his players isn’t anything new around here. But I have to admit, I thought it was a thing of the past.

I foolishly assumed that last year’s playoff run and this past summer’s realization that things had to get better from there was the end of all the drama.

And then Friday night happened and the Hawks locker room turned into an episode of General Hawkspital, the Hawks produce more drama in a season than Luke and Laura did in 20 years together.

It’s not clear exactly what words got tossed back and forth between Woodson and longtime co-star Josh Smith. But it’s safe to assume that they weren’t talking about catching a movie together on the next off day.

What became abundantly clear as the media scrambled through the Hawks’ locker room before tonight’s game against Detroit at Philips Arena is that whatever fences that needed to be mended got the treatment required.

Smith was smiling. Woodson, too. It was no doubt the product of an earlier face-to-face between the two where they (once again) hashed out their differences, promised to try and do better and then went their separate ways.

The only glitch in this entire process is that these two guys are joined at the wrist (no handcuffs needed). They’ll share the blame this summer if this season continues to spiral out of control for the Hawks, who are in need of  major boost with just 20 games left in the season and the official chase for the fourth spot in the Eastern Conference already in full stride.

You’d think that would be clear to them by now. Smith is the only player still here from Woodson’s first day of training camp in 2004.

I suspect they’ll never be super close. Sometimes guys just don’t mix well, their personalities clash. But in the meantime, they might want to find a way to work together so the Hawks don’t take a promising season and dump it in the trash.

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Sautee

March 7th, 2009
7:46 pm

Josh has good energy so far tonight. Good to see

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
7:46 pm

And Woody gets credit for not holding the grudge over to the next game. As I stated in the last blog, Woody could have gone off the handle on Smith several times in the last dozen games but he seemed to go out of his way not to focus on a single player. If a player challenges the coach’s authority, the worse thing that coach can do is lay down and lose the whole freakin’ team.

Ray, I didn’t mean to say that Smith is uncoachable, I just don’t want him to be a significant factor in who Sund selects as the next coach. I just don’t want Sund to think, “boy this guy would be perfect for this team but he and Smith may not mesh well so I have to consider someone else”. I would truly hate for Smith to keep the team from an ideal coach.

ray

March 7th, 2009
7:51 pm

Kirk,

You’ll have to forgive me for the two “ray” names. Whenever I’m logged into the system that I use to write blogs as one half of the Hawks Hacks tandem, my name appears as “Big Ray”, which is the name I created for that board. And well, you know my old moniker “ray.” You can usually tell because the background color of my post is darker when I’m logged into the system. By the way, how’s your old pal Hawks Fan 85? Got his/her own laptop by now, I hope. I only ask Because it matters…. :)

As for your reply, I hear ya. Do you really see a correlation between playing 5 in 7, and the issues of late? I hadn’t drawn that conclusion, probably because I wasn’t looking at it that way, but it certainly has some merit.

Astro Joe,

Looks like sound reasoning to me. And it would probably be quite advisable to do it as a three-team trade. Sometimes those simply work out better for all involved. What’s also interesting is that there is some thought that the luxury tax-conscious Wizards may be considering trading their #2 pick in the draft. No, I’m not suggesting we go after it, but I don’t think we ignore it either. Of course, this draft isn’t that deep (or so it seems), so I wouldn’t be willing to sell too much out for that pick, as high as it is. Just a random thought…

Ed

March 7th, 2009
7:57 pm

Bring back J-Chill!

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:00 pm

Astro Joe,

Like I said, I wasn’t looking to argue, so I wasn’t taking what you said the wrong way. I’m thinking Smith (or Marvin) might be gone anyway, for reasons other than his performance (especially recently). I think Sund would like more size in this lineup and one of those two guys will be outta here to facilitate that. That, and I have other thoughts about the situation, which I won’t get into….yet.

Truthfully, Smith should not have that kind of influence on who the coach is. And I really doubt that he does. Talented he is, but he’s not even an all-star, much less a superstar. Only guys like Kobe and Lebron carry that kind of weight. Wade doesn’t even carry that kind of weight. I don’t figure Sund is even going to see it that way. I’m not even entirely certain that he’s all that impressed with Smith…we’ll see.

So actually, we’re in total agreement there. In fact, I wouldn’t give a single player on this team that kind of influence.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:03 pm

Sautee,

Yeah, he’s missing some shots, but he’s all over that glass. Even moreso than last night. Bibby seems to be hot out of the gate as well.

JJ is already putting on his version of the gong show, and so is Flip (but I ain’t mad at Flip).

Sekou K. Smith

March 7th, 2009
8:16 pm

The Pistons are a totally different team without AI. It’s startling how much different they look without him.

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
8:21 pm

And how much different we look when Bibby is making shots and Smith is attacking the glass.

otrhawksfan

March 7th, 2009
8:21 pm

thinks look a lil bit better minus the show start and josh taking that jump shot with the lane open for a easy 2. Pull this win out so we can pull the dust pan out and sweep the pistons outta here.

Sekou K. Smith

March 7th, 2009
8:22 pm

Yup. Can’t argue with that Joe.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:23 pm

Somebody tell me what was up with JJ? How about that play when he was wide open going to the rim, and passed it to Josh Smith, who was double covered? It became a turnover.

I wonder if that will turn into a half-time fight. Oh no, I forgot. Only Josh would get hammered for such an infraction. No, wait, that wasn’t an infraction. That never happened…

On the flip side, Josh is missing left and right…..but he has 7 boards and 2 blocks. Almost enough to keep haters away for a second or two. Almost…

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:24 pm

Sekou,

Isn’t it though? It’s kinda like Philly without Brand…

some sense

March 7th, 2009
8:24 pm

AI is poison…everybody knows that, but the Buffalo Bills signed Terrell Owens today, so what are ya gonna do?????

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:26 pm

Astro Joe,

How right you are. He was on this track LAST night…before the derailment…

Speaking of which, Woody was smart to let Smith play. He’s clearly getting back to what he does best. 3 blocks, 7 boards…

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:27 pm

Don’t look now, but Josh is 3-3 from the line.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:30 pm

Is it just me, or does it look like our pg plays sg, while our sg plays pg?

JJ, you may as well become Jason Kidd if Bibby is going to stick around. Might as well go for triple doubles while Bibby guns away, and let your forwards do the bulk of the scoring.

Marvin is still not a good match for Tayshaun…

Joe throws it away AGAIN…

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:31 pm

Okay, that about says it all. When ‘Nique says that the offense is stalling when JJ pounds the ball, then everybody knows it.

Horford’s turnaround is MONEY…

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:31 pm

Josh bails out Joe for the jam.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:35 pm

Astro Joe,

I don’t know about you, but Stuckey doesn’t look too bad when Iverson’s not out there hindering his growth, huh?

falcon21

March 7th, 2009
8:39 pm

Josh Smith has game. We only need a coach.

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
8:39 pm

Ray, I guess, but I don’t think I would have moved Billups to make way for Stuckey. I still don’t see that.

Rasheed is going to get a phat contract next season, but dude seems like he is bored with the game and plays at half-speed. Too bad because his skills are still ridiculous.

otrhawksfan

March 7th, 2009
8:40 pm

hawks fans seem to be in the game tonight the fans were fairly quiet at the cavs game.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:40 pm

I think the defensive holes are obvious for all to see. The Pistons are not destroying us from the frontcourt….but from the backcourt.

Stuckey and Hamilton have combined for 25 on 11-22 shooting. Meanwhile, our forwards have harassed Detroit’s frontcourt into 8-24 shooting….

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:41 pm

Astro Joe,

Oh no doubt about the fact that they miss Billups something fierce…

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:42 pm

Yes, Rasheed is ridiculous. He’s like Randy Moss used to be, “I play when I want to.”

dmortone

March 7th, 2009
8:45 pm

Hawks only show up against good teams. Luckily, in the playoffs, that’s all they’ll see. I’d be more worried if we were playing the Nets or the Pacers in the playoffs more so than Pistons/Heat.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:48 pm

There we go. Now our entire defense is playing up to par…

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
8:49 pm

85 points wins tonight’s game. Can we play tough 4th quarter defense? That was our calling card at the beginning of the season.

falcon21

March 7th, 2009
8:49 pm

Where the hell is Morris? This would be perfict.

otrhawksfan

March 7th, 2009
8:50 pm

back to back qt we limit the pistons to 17 points why to get the loose balls that i knew would be key this second half. question is can jj give us at least 10 to help the hawks win this game?

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:52 pm

Astro Joe,

I don’t think we’ve seen the end of that move, to tell you the truth. I think A.I. is headed elsewhere. The reason you don’t see that move is because of what they did when he got here. The Pistons weren’t going to be competing for the Eastern Conference crown this year, and Dumars knew it. And Stuckey couldn’t stay behind Billups forever. The idea of bringing Iverson was not losing firepower in the process. Watch Dumars’ next move….it will probably be a make or break move…

But anyway…

mykhalc

March 7th, 2009
8:52 pm

past game tape alone shoulda gotten WOODSON fired!!! CLUELESS!! now JJ has turned into TY LUE…pound…pound…pound!!!??? i guess WOODSON’s game plan is to keep the ball in your best players hands…literally, continually, and infinitely!!!

Ed

March 7th, 2009
8:53 pm

What’s up with Marvin tonight…he goes in for about a minute for Bibby and comes right back out.

O'brien

March 7th, 2009
8:53 pm

Miami is losing to Cleveland. If the Hawks can hold on for the victory, we will be up 1 1/2 games again.

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
8:53 pm

Mark Price for President!

dmortone

March 7th, 2009
8:54 pm

Maybe Woody deserves some credit for sitting Josh for a half, he’s starting to look like the Josh Smith we all know and love from the beginning of the season.

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:54 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Josh Smith, 5-5 from the line. Anybody wanna rehire Mark Price (since Sam fired him…hee hee), or should we wait another 10 games?

ray

March 7th, 2009
8:55 pm

LOL @ Astro Joe…

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
8:56 pm

Ray, according to many, players don’t do anything wrong… they are just the recipients of bad coaching. So Smith doesn’t get credit for his improved free throw shooting, it all goes to Price.

ray

March 7th, 2009
9:00 pm

Joe,

Sorry, missed that memo. :)

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
9:01 pm

Ray, it’s not so much about acquiring AI as much as it was about trading Billups. If Dumars wanted to create extra cap space, did he have to trade the team’s best player… to clear room for a younger version of Flip Murray?

niremetal

March 7th, 2009
9:02 pm

Did Woody just bench JJ for a long stretch because he wasn’t playing well?!? Wow! Maybe he’s learning…

ray

March 7th, 2009
9:03 pm

I swear, if it wasn’t for Josh Smith, Horford would never have gotten that pass for the bucket, despite how open he was.

Josh again, with the assist to Horford.

Yeah, we definitely don’t need this head-case of a worthless bum. He’s wrecking this entire game.

Astro Joe

March 7th, 2009
9:04 pm

OK, maybe 90 points wins the game.

falcon21

March 7th, 2009
9:05 pm

Hawks will be tired in a few,so we don’t need to get our hopes up.

mykhalc

March 7th, 2009
9:05 pm

here’s a novel idea…let JJ touch the ball last!!!??

ray

March 7th, 2009
9:06 pm

Woody was only trying to rest JJ. Didn’t you see him whispering sweet nothings into his ear on the bench?

Stuckey has more upside than Flip. Easily.

Sekou K. Smith

March 7th, 2009
9:06 pm

Josh Smith is responding big time. He gets knocked, deservedly so, on his bad nights. But when he’s good … man, the kid is good. He’s been in the middle of so much that has gone right for the Hawks so far (77-68 with 7:03 to play).

otrhawksfan

March 7th, 2009
9:08 pm

marvin is not out there b/c detroit has a 3 guard line up in the game. until shed comes back in the game will he return. if you make at least 75%of you free throws is the deciding factor. you can be up by 6 or about 10.

ray

March 7th, 2009
9:09 pm

Bad shot in the lane by Josh…