U.S. attorney general calls Ga. gun bill ‘worrisome’

Legislation now before Gov. Sonny Perdue that would allow people to carry loaded guns into parts of the state’s airports “is very worrisome,” U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a congressional hearing on Thursday.

Holder told a U.S. Senate panel that Georgia’s proposed law is problematic.

“The notion that people could bring guns to airports especially given the al-Qaida focus of the use of airplanes as terrorist tools, is one, to me, that is very worrisome,” Holder said. “I would hope we try to keep weapons, guns away from the very instruments that al-Qaida and other organizations successfully used on September 11th and have continued to try to use in the present and I suspect in the future as well.”

Holder was responding to a question from U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) during a hearing before the Senate Appropriations Committee. See the exchange here.

“It was reported that the Times Square bomber left a loaded handgun in his car at JFK as he tried to make his escape,” Lautenberg said. “The state of Georgia, the state Legislature, recently passed a bill that would allow people to carry a loaded gun into an airport. Do you support allowing people to carry loaded guns into an American airport?”

Holder said the Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment right to own guns. “That doesn’t mean, however, that that right is one that absolute,” Holder said. “We have to balance that individual right against our collective security.”

Georgia’s General Assembly last week gave final approval to a bill that would allow licensed gun owners to carry loaded weapons into non-secure areas of airports, including Hartsfield-Jackson International. The bill does not allow the guns past airport security checkpoints.

Perdue has not indicated whether he will sign the bill.

325 comments Add your comment

Sam the Sham

May 7th, 2010
9:52 am

First it was Arizona, now it’s Georgia. This administration clearly has issues with the states governing themselves.

Sam the Sham

May 7th, 2010
9:57 am

And, as for Senator Lautenburg. As long as Islamic terrorists are taking rifles to airports, those who are legally licensed to carry pistols should have the right to defend themselves in those places. I’m very comfortable knowing people are legally armed.

about time

May 7th, 2010
9:57 am

i’m not as worried about terrorists carrying guns in the common areas of our airport as much as i’m worried about some drunk shooting everyone in the bar. how much lower can the georgia legislature sink on the intelligence scale?

john doe

May 7th, 2010
9:58 am

i Against this bill why next thing you know i person cuts in front of you in line and you don’t like it than can take out there gun ad shoot this bill idea sonny should not sing it and veto it today

atlshirt.com

May 7th, 2010
9:59 am

The government, and the media, need to stop attacking our rights to own weapons, and they need to stop attacking our rights to freedom of speech, or, Our country is going to start act like greece… STOP LYING TO US !!!!!

common sence

May 7th, 2010
9:59 am

The NRA is nuts! And GA Republicans cater to them.

At least creat a CWI law… it is a felony to carry while intoxicated (0.04 level or less).

Joe in Decatur, GA

May 7th, 2010
9:59 am

If you believed in local governance, Sam, you’d argue that the state shouldn’t have any oversight ability over MARTA either, since it’s funded by the taxpayers of Fulton and DeKalb counties.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
9:59 am

i am Against this bill why next thing you know i person cuts in front of you in line and you don’t like it than can take out there gun and shoot you with it , this bill is a Bad idea sonny should not sign it and veto it today

atlshirt.com

May 7th, 2010
10:01 am

John Doe and About Time, stop with the nonsense, it is clearly an attack on our liberties, or, you are just a paid poster trying to sway the publics opinion…. You can have my gun when you take it from my cold dead hands !!!

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:03 am

kill the bill sonny kill the bill kill the bill now cause if you don’t sooner or later somebody drunk don’t like what somebody said will come back and starting shooting or if they do not like what the counter person said or god forbid there flight is delayed. we might as well TSA security as well

Contra 2010

May 7th, 2010
10:04 am

I am more concerned that Eric Holder is still the Atty General and that Janet Napolitano is still in charge of DHS.

Bars?

May 7th, 2010
10:04 am

This law also allows for guns in bars…this is non-sense! Then again, who cares if all the town drunks get drunk and start shooting each other. It’ll be like a good ole western movie.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:05 am

atlshirt.com your the reason i want this bill killed cause you be the drunk guy shooting un the airport cause your flight got canceled or somebody bump into you on accident

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:06 am

i like Eric and Janet they are doing a great job

john

May 7th, 2010
10:07 am

guys, other states already allow this. this bill is not groundbreaking in anyway.

kkong

May 7th, 2010
10:07 am

Loaded guns at airports is a disaster just waiting to happen.

James

May 7th, 2010
10:07 am

It’s illegal to drink while carrying in Georgia. It’s also illegal do discharge a firearm while under the influence of alcohol. Further, if you actually read the state Constitution, the ONLY legal power the state legislature has over gun carry is restricting the MANNER in which Georgians carry guns, not where and when they do so.

As for AG Holder, a number of states don’t have any restrictions on firearms in airports, in fact, the only reason Georgia still has any is that a Federal judge decided to ignore the clear intent of the Georgia legislature on a bill passed several years ago. The Second Amendment is THE most strongly worded protection for an individual right in the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law”, the Second says “the Right… of the People…shall not be infringed.”

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:07 am

yep allshirt would be at the bar with contra 2010 saying burp draw

norman bates

May 7th, 2010
10:08 am

Hey Sam the Sham- Are you a Pharoah? Homeland Security might need to do a background check on “Sam the Sham”. He could be a terrorist!

James

May 7th, 2010
10:10 am

Joe in Decatur – the State Constitution already covers this. Any political subdivision of Georgia and any entity created by the State of Georgia (such as the Board of Regents) is bound by the State Constitution. Any officeholder who fails to uphold the State Constitution is in breach of his or her oath of office and needs to be impeached. If they don’t LIKE a particular part of the State Constitution, they can lobby to have it amended, but until then, it IS the highest law in the State.

Semper Vigilans

May 7th, 2010
10:10 am

Why is it that everytime some nut job does something stupid, law-abiding citizens get the the brunt from these anti-liberty politicians? Should we stop people from driving cars because too many innocent bystanders get killed by drunk driving? What right do they have to take my very basic right to defend myself?

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:10 am

James when do all sides get to say what they want not just some i say lets put it on the ballot let Georgians vote on the law if they say yes then so be it majority rules this would be a fair to do it and if you don’t vote at then you can’t complain

Fraidy Kat

May 7th, 2010
10:11 am

I am more concerned about screeners who let just about anyone on planes than I am of background checked, registered, redneck gun owners. (Don’t you hear about the registered gunowner’s exploits every day on the television? What a terrible bunch. Check out Maury’s special reports)

The threat to air security existed for years and years. It was not suddenly new on September 11, 2001. Did anyone in Airport Security lose their jobs for what happened on that day? The people guarding our air transportation system simply failed. Someone should have been fired and/or imprisoned. In America, we choose to simply look the other way. If we truly wanted to make flying safe, we would outsource to the Israelis. They know how to “racially profile”, whatever that is. As long as it makes us safe, check me, you, and the pilot. I don’t care.

Perhaps closing the source airports (e.g., Boston Logan) for the terrorist’s planes would make everyone interested in preventing a repeat.

Oh, I forgot the subject. Thank GOD for the U.S. Constitution and The Second Amendment. You can argue it. You can spin it. But the ink on the paper is still there.

atlshirt.com

May 7th, 2010
10:11 am

Not at all John Doe… I am for every American citizen to own a gun… this way we can protect ourselves from the CRIMINALS, who do not obey laws… I am for every American to have the ability to PROTECT themselves from an OUT OF CONTROL government who only wants to TAKE money from them… GUNS do not KILL, PEOPLE DO !!!!…

IF a drunk person started shooting, chances are, HE WILL SHOOT HIMSELF, BECAUSE HE IS DRUNK…

You are for this bill, because you are communist, whose only purpose is to control the people of the ONLY FREE society on this planet… YOU CAN NOT HAVE MY GUNS, AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE who also believe in this same philosophy!!!!

Stock Man

May 7th, 2010
10:12 am

Seems we should be more worried about the violent TSA employees who attack each other in the workplace.

I carry two guns wherever I go. I still cross paths with all the same idiots. Not once have I thought of using the gun to address a rude line cutter or someone that has angered me.

The gun is for self-protection.

John Doe needs to walk through the airport parking lot at night to understand. Or he can cycle through Clarkston, as I did, and have a gun drawn, and then perhaps he will get a better grasp of reality.

And in no case, does John Doe’s lack of understanding require that my Constitutional Rights be sacrificed.

ATLnative

May 7th, 2010
10:12 am

Holder said the Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment right to own guns. “That doesn’t mean, however, that that right is one that absolute,” Holder said. “We have to balance that individual right against our collective security.”

Our “collective security” is allowing properly permitted citizens to defend themselves and others. There are not enough police to do so. Just ask the supreme court, the founding fathers and read the US Constitution! Sign it Gov.!

Who Is John Galt?

May 7th, 2010
10:13 am

Attacks on our liberties nothwithstanding, they just don’t get it. A GA law allowing citizens, properly licensed (CCP), to carry a weapon in sections of airports would have no effect whatsoever on the criminals or those who would do us harm. Those types will bring guns regardless of the law. This law allows the good guys to carry as well.

As an aside, ever wonder why no one tries anything criminal at a shooting range?

Base

May 7th, 2010
10:13 am

Wacko GOP Mitch and Tim at work!

Sam the Sham

May 7th, 2010
10:15 am

This law still prohibits carrying guns in places that serve alcohol (for all you who’s main concern is drinking while armed). It does allow you to carry in most places where criminals may be (who are carrying illegally). Small minded people make small minded arguments.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:15 am

Semper Vigilans you have that right in your home or in your car and personal place you are why do you need it in a bar or airport if you don’t drink then no need to worry about the bar and there alot of security at an airport
and right wingers got nothing smart to say they call names tells me some need to still grow up
what about rights not to have drunks in airports with guys just cause there’s law say not to do it does not mean that will stop them
nad on drunk drivers killing some they should get the death penalty cause they chose to drink and drive no one force them to

ATL Guy

May 7th, 2010
10:17 am

Republicans are the most thoughtless, idiotic people ever. I just can’t believe just how stupid these people are. Who and why do people vote for these clowns?

James

May 7th, 2010
10:17 am

Anybody know the last time a properly licensed and trained gun owner went to a bar and killed a bunch of people? It seems like a common example people use against concealed carry, and I have never heard of it…

JW

May 7th, 2010
10:17 am

It’s time to ban all guns.

JW

May 7th, 2010
10:19 am

We should ban heterosexuals and cell phones too.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:20 am

i have had a gun draw on me so i understand that point if you want to have gun to protect your house or protect your car or person fine but why do you need to take it into a bar or inside the the airport what if someone takes it from you and kills a bunch of people then what hmm
Don’t say it can’t happen the guy that pull a gun on me i took it from him and i am not a big guy he was i was just quicker so you never know

ATL Guy

May 7th, 2010
10:22 am

Except for the first Republican Lincoln. He was a good guy.

Mark

May 7th, 2010
10:22 am

Like it or not, many of you cross paths each day with an armed civilian. Funny how you do not get shot…

The only people who do not carry weapons into “gun-free zones” are law abiding citizens. Criminals don’t care – in fact, they like gun-free zones. We should work to have less gun-free zones.

By the way, the big push behind revamping some of GA’s gun laws is that they are currently extremely unclear and have racist roots.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:22 am

James it has happen in CA in Fl and in newyork it has happen 7 times in buckhead clubs and bars i guess you do not read the news and the ones that shot in these 7 times were reg gun owners

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
10:23 am

Hey Holder, how about you guys figure out how to keep your “no fly” list organized, and start profiling these muslim fanatics instead of worrying about what law-abiding citizens are going to do?

Typical worthless government moron. He’s part of the uppity Obama administration so what do you expect.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
10:23 am

I’m afraid most people are so afraid of guns that they don’t care about facts.

FACTS:
Many states already allow carrying in non secure parts of airports and in bars. (Most do not allow drinking while carrying) They don’t have problems with line cutters and drunks shooting things up. They also don’t have too many terrorists getting their carry license and legally carrying a firearm into the airport for mayhem.

Getting a carry license requires a Federal background check. If you’ve been arrested for violent assault or any other felony, you cannot get a license. So in my 50 years on this rock, I’ve managed to never attack anyone yet. Why do you think I’m going to suddenly shoot you in line at the airport? The majority of people with carry licenses are responsible, deliberate people. They don’t carry guns to show off or throw their weight around. Many people you know already carry, and you aren’t even aware of it. That would be the same at the airport.

Control your emotions people, and do a little research. Facts please, not hysteria and hyperbole.

Millard

May 7th, 2010
10:24 am

I can carry a gun legally in 95% of the places in GA, but now because I may be allowed to carry it to the airport to pick up a friend, the Attorney General thinks I am suddenly a danger and a public menace and I may try to hijack an airplane? Get real people.

DG

May 7th, 2010
10:26 am

I’ve been aggressively panhandled by scam artists in the ATL airport several times and couldn’t even find a police officer to complain to. Anyone and everyone spills off MARTA directly into the public areas of the airport and no one is preventing them from bringing weapons with them. Please explain why law abiding, gun permit holding citizens shouldn’t be allowed to defend themselves in such an unsecure envrionment?

john

May 7th, 2010
10:26 am

In response to “why do you need to take it into a bar or inside the the airport”

I don’t necessarily want to do that, but I should have the freedom to.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:26 am

ATL Guy the reason people vote republican is simple most are to lazy to find out anything or any truths for themselves and just go oh hes for guys right so everything hes says is true not wake
find out for yourselves and stop saying things that you know you cannot prove

Fang1944

May 7th, 2010
10:27 am

Attention, all goobers: you have the right to urinate, also, but not just anywhere.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:28 am

ok john why do you need the freedom too?? i just ask why bottom line if its your time to go your going no matter if you have gun or not period .

Roger

May 7th, 2010
10:29 am

What about the other states that allow guns in their airports? We don’t see reports in the news where guns are getting past TSA check points in those airports. Just the fact that you are free to express yourself in this forum means that you do have freedom of speech. Don’t infringe on my 2nd Amendment right to have and protect myself with firearms.

George Johnson

May 7th, 2010
10:30 am

OH so NOW it’s OK to call it terrorism and mention Alqeida….

This administration is SOOOO disingenuous it borders on pure lying. (And that’s what *I* really think it is, just pure lying).

This bill does NOT allow just ANY old person to carry a loaded gun ANYwhere. You STILL have to have a concealed carry permit.

And unless this man is a complete and total idiot, he should know that. Or else…. he’s purposely LYING…… God these people make me sick to my stomach. I have NEVER seen a more corrupt administration or one that is so secretive as this one. Just incredible.

Garry Owen

May 7th, 2010
10:32 am

I find Holder worrisome! Our collective security is a joke! The border between the U.S. and Mexico has become an open door to illegals and terrorist! One must remember that Holder was Clinton’s point man during the Clinton anti gun era. It is time for Obama, Holder, and the rest of their crowd to get out of states rights and stop calling the people of Arizona, Georgia, and other states “misguided” because these states choose to protect their citizens and preserve their citizens civil rights. It seems the Feds are more interested in protecting the civil rights of illegal aliens then the Feds are of protecting the civil rights of American citizens. Perhaps Mr. Holder needs a refresher course in American history and why the Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights into the Constitution.

no excuses

May 7th, 2010
10:38 am

I’m constantly puzzled and frustrated by the idiotic “you can have my gun when you pry it from my dead fingers” mentality by many (if not most) citizens of this state! They think we’re still in the wild wild west and as long as they carry around a piece of paper (like THAT can’t be counterfeited), it’s perfectly safe to walk around in public with a loaded weapon and to-hell with everyone else. Are they that stupid to believe that an airport full of gun-toting strangers in an airport is not a potential disaster?? Based on this legislation, yes, I think they are.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:40 am

to

George Johnson how soon we forget the most criminal administration was the bush period i don’t they lied to all to start a war the tap to everyday American phones lines and they wasted a 3 trillon surplus the Clinton left them but i am sure george thinks that’s all ok shows you do care but your fellow man only what effects you . i remember the that statement by this guy who had big machine guns and anti tank missles they ask him why he needed all of that he said for hunting what was he hunting godzilla or going to blow the crap out of the dear and cook it at the same time

about time

May 7th, 2010
10:42 am

“Don’t infringe on my 2nd Amendment right to have and protect myself with firearms.”
I’m just asking so don’t yell at me but doesn’t the 2nd amendment have something to do with the citizens being able to form a militia?

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
10:45 am

This is going to be like when the “assualt weapons” ban expired a few years ago and these idiot liberals predicted that gun owners will be machine gunning each other down in the streets.

Of course, reality being what it is, that never happened.

Same thing with this airport deal. The law passing will be 100% transparent.

If a terrorist wants to smuggle a gun into the airport, there’s nothing stopping them right now. And as already pointed out, to get a CCW you have to pass a thorough background check and go through fingerprinting.

But facts wont matter ot the idiot liberals.

NRA member!

May 7th, 2010
10:46 am

I’m a gun owner, NRA member and I’m against this bill 100%. Why??? guns in airport don’t go together, I have nothing else against the rest of the bill but NO AIRPORT!

Byron Mathison Kerr

May 7th, 2010
10:46 am

I don’t think “the right to keep and bear arms” applies to any ‘ol kind of arms or to keep and bear them in any ‘ol place.

Ren

May 7th, 2010
10:46 am

I never realized there was such a threat at the airport that people need to carry a gun. What’s very funny to me – is so many of these “constitution reciters” have another subject they love to exploit – “In God We Trust”. But they only trust in God when things are going there way. When someone dies in a robbery, dies on a hijacked plane, or dies due to a medical error – maybe it God’s will, they are always preaching about. But then they “Don’t Trust in God”.

Fred

May 7th, 2010
10:47 am

Why are people worried about this? It allows LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to carry a gun in more places. I choose not to myself, but I have no problem with someone else having one if they feel a need or desire to. Its not the law abiding citizens that cause crime. Please tell me when a criminal decided not to acquire a gun because it was illegal??

If you feel for one second that any law that prevents gun ownership will help curtail crime, you are clueless!!! It may in your “Happy Place” but not in the rest of the world.

Lance

May 7th, 2010
10:48 am

no excuses – Wake the hell up! It’s a constitutional right. This has been a right since the constitution was wrote and suddendly now, in 2010, liberals have a problem with it. That’s the damn problem with the U.S. today, we have so many whinners and every little damn thing is offensive or contested to be regulated. Get a life folks. It’s self defense. With all of the home invasions, robberies, car jackings and mugg’ings in todays society….Why would you not want to be able to protect yourself and your family???? Because you’re scared or you want to talk them out of it. Wake up America!!!

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
10:48 am

I never realized there was such a threat at the airport that people need to carry a gun.
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It is up to the individual to decide what they “need” to do, not the worthless government. Or worthless supporters of the government, for that matter.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:48 am

no excuse i am not puzzled why cause those that say those things are simply against others rights as long as they are happy they have no ideal on how to compromise these are they same people who want GA to succeed from the us and want the old south to rise again they are Against a black president and the good he is doing they don’t want heath insurance and think if they give the doctor 2 chickens he will help them bur we are people to and will stand up to all of them
By the way i am a white college graduate and think all should get a fair shake not just some fine have a gun for hunting in your house to protect your love ones in your car but not in the airport or bars or schools church’s too that’s in the bill to how many knew that none cause you did not read it you just listen to some repub tell you whats in it then think you know what your talking about

IRONICELEPHANT

May 7th, 2010
10:50 am

First of all, there are a lot of “crazy”, “demented”, “racist”, “accidents waiting to happen”, people out there who do not have a criminal record (YET) and can legally carry a weapon. Therefore, I believe that folks should only be allowed to carry to protect yourself from harm in your car, house, or non-public areas. Law Enforcement should be the only ones to carry weapons in public areas. PERIOD!, DUH!!!!

The problem with most of these “Right to Carry in Public” Right Wingers is that they seem to think everyone of their constiuents is rationale. Nothing could be further from the truth. If someone starts shooting in the airport and you pull out your gun, what’s gonna stop APD (and I work at the airport they are EVERYWHERE!) from shooting you! Police know police, but they may have a hard time detecting FRIENDLY’S when other folk are shooting. Real Smart….lol

So, since I love this city and state and I’m not going anywhere, let’s do this. As of TODAY all of us (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.) need to go get certified and legally carry as well. I am African American and please let me know when you guys have your next gun rally. I will come with my firepower too! With my .45, .9, 30-30, 30-06, .270, .243, and probably bring my 12 gauge as well. We can have a big party and get drunk and talk politics. lol. You know and I know, someone aint gonna make it home that night.

Is that what you want, wild wild west? There are a lot more of us in this city than you think who can legally carry. But do you really think all of these folks will make the right choices when confronted with problems in public, after drinks, at school, in the airport? You guys are fooling yourselves. But, dumb is dumb, and I don’t see very many smart people that are elephants right now. You are running GA into the ground and embarrasing the sensible people in this state!

GO ROY!

ali50

May 7th, 2010
10:50 am

Please learn correct grammar and how to spell before you post your comments. It is painful to read illiterates’ comments. And it sure destroys your credibility when you can’t spell the words in your argument.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:51 am

NRB2 why is the government worthless cause its not bush or cause your guy did not win well since there so worthless then give up your all your stuff and move to Nigeria and hijack boats

GOP

May 7th, 2010
10:51 am

We don’t even approve of a bill to keep people that are on the “no-fly” list from purchasing guns!

Talk about a bunch of NRA pandering fools!!!

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
10:51 am

To celebrate the passing of the law, I’m going to purchase a brand new Ruger Mini-14 and some extra 30 round clips for it.

Then I’m going to American Classic Marksman and shoot some paper targets that are drawn to look like Muslim Terrorists.

Then I’m going to work and EARN MONEY. Then on the way home listen to AM 750.

Those three things alone right there should send any moron Midtown-dwelling liberal into fits.

Happy friday!

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
10:52 am

Hey Sam the Sham and others, I have an idea. Instead of banning guns in airports or on planes I have the way to stop terrorism. Arm all your passengers. Simple, just pass out the pistols when people enter the airport, and collect them back when they exit.

MB

May 7th, 2010
10:52 am

“It’s illegal to drink while carrying in Georgia.”

This statement is not entirely true. It is currently illegal to drink in a restaurant which serves alcohol while carrying and it is currently illegal to carry in a bar. There is nothing which makes it illegal for me to carry and consume alcohol elsewhere.

I urge the Governor to sign into law both SB-308 and SB-291. There is no logical reason why legally licensed Georgians who have passed the stringent background checks necessary to obtain a GFL should be prevented from carrying into non-restricted areas of the airport, into restaurants and have a drink with dinner, or into bars. These are not the people everyone should be concerned about. The GA legislature really missed the mark with SB-308 by not allowing carry on college campuses and churches. Have none of them read the constant stream of crime reports coming from the GT campus over the past several months?

retiredds

May 7th, 2010
10:52 am

The NRA has the red state politicians in their hip pocket. Follow the money. Big bucks spent by the paranoid NRA means political hacks have to respond or be sent home packing.

Fred

May 7th, 2010
10:53 am

John Doe, if you think the Bush Admin lied, and I wont defend him, it is nothing compared to what Obama’s legacy will be. And before you call me racist, which I am not sure you can even define it properly, I have not problem with a black president, or black anyone, I have a problem with a BAD president.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:53 am

IRONICELEPHANT i agree 110 % i can carry too if i want so have my rights

Fred

May 7th, 2010
10:54 am

G Cancryn, I don’t know if you are joking or serious, but as much as people would hate to admit it, it would work!!

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
10:54 am

Is that what you want, wild wild west? There are a lot more of us in this city than you think who can legally carry. But do you really think all of these folks will make the right choices when confronted with problems in public, after drinks, at school, in the airport?
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The “wild west” theory that liberals love to perpetrate isnt based on any facts.

As already pointed out, you can legally carry in other states in bars/airports etc.

And guess what: no wild shoot outs.

Those only exist in your fantasy for some reason.

I suggest looking up crime statistics, take two seconds and research how many violent offenders had a CCW and were LEGALLY carrrying during a crime, then get back to me.

RJ

May 7th, 2010
10:54 am

“Perhaps Mr. Holder needs a refresher course in American history and why the Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights into the Constitution.”

Actually Garry, I think you’re the one that needs the refresher. The Bill of Rights was written back when this country had no national military since the Continental Army was disbanded after the American Revolution. There was a legit concern that this country was open to invasion by foreign states. The people needed to be able to form a militia in order for the nation to be properly defended. Plenty of things in the Constituion are useless today (see Electoral College, 3/5 rule, Election of Senators, women’s voting rights).

To say things like “the intent of the Founding Fathers” shows total ignorance of what the Constitution is and the time in which the Founding Fathers lived. The document is a framework that can be interpreted based on the changing times. It doesn’t get into any specifics for that reason (which is why there has to be a law making body even though the Constitution exists). That’s also how it has managed to stay relevant for over 200 years.

Now does that mean people should not be able to own or carry a gun? I don’t believe so, and neither to most people. That being said, there’s no basis for allowing anyone to carry a gun into a bar where they make money by selling a drug that affects your judgement, and even less reason for someone to walk into any location where they feel the need to defend themselves with lethal force (see Plaxico Burress).

But feel free to ignore me. Go protest the Obama administration taking away your guns at a national park. After all, Obama was the one who signed the law allowing you to carry a gun there.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
10:56 am

to ali50 = Please learn correct grammar and how to spell before you post your comments. It is painful to read illiterates’ comments. And it sure destroys your credibility when you can’t spell the words in your argument. this is your best statement ? just goes to show i have no good argument i attack people and if its so painful then don’t read it . sounds like a republican to me

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
10:57 am

Let’s arm everybody over the age of 3 as long as they’re not a convicted felon of a violent crime. Make sure everybody, and I mean everybody from Clayton County to Troupe County is armed with live ammo, not only in the airport, but everywhere in the state. Imagine how great it will be for you NRB2 OB1 to see a big guy with a gun at his side walking up your sidewalk to your house.

atlshirt.com

May 7th, 2010
10:58 am

By the way i am a white college graduate and think all should get a fair shake not just some fine have a gun for hunting in your house to protect your love ones in your car but not in the airport or bars or schools church’s too that’s in the bill to how many knew that none cause you did not read it you just listen to some repub tell you whats in it then think you know what your talking about

you typed this ?? YOU LIE!!!

James

May 7th, 2010
10:58 am

GOP – Ever heard of the Fifth Amendment? “Shall not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law?” You can’t deprive someone of a Constitutional right without trial, the criteria for placing someone on the “no fly” list are not public and the list is known to be full of errors and is used against people with the same or similar names to people on the list. There’s no point having rights if a secret government panel can remove them without any legal recourse. And people claim the Bush administration went too far in violating rights with the Patriot Act (which Bush originally opposed), but now they’re calling for wholesale violations of rights without benefit of trial?

Beaves

May 7th, 2010
10:59 am

If the Obozo regime is against it then I am for it…

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NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:01 am

Imagine how great it will be for you NRB2 OB1 to see a big guy with a gun at his side walking up your sidewalk to your house.
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I don’t get it.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
11:01 am

To RJ awesome you are 110% right awesome

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:03 am

@ Sam the Sham

That’s because those states have idiots as legislators. Having guns in the airport is just a dumb idea.

john doe

May 7th, 2010
11:03 am

Beaves you comment proves my point you are either a sore loser or a racist or escape from mental hospital and would be one to shoot up the bar or airport or school or church

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:03 am

You don’t get it?

How will you feel?

gatorman770

May 7th, 2010
11:06 am

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is as dumb as a box of rocks (or Janet Renos)!
How many of the islamic terriorist that have have attacked or attempted to attack the US had state issued concealed weapon permits (obtained after being fingerprinted and passing a local, state and Federal background check)?

“about time” if you studies your government and US History and read the Federalist Papers you would know that the “militia” was defined as the “whole body” of American citizenship abled to be mobilized and organized to protect the US, i.e. the same militia that helped defeat the British and has been the deterrent that kept the leaders of Japan, Germany, USSR, etc. from attempting a invasion of the US during WW1, WW2 and the cold war.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:06 am

How will you feel when a big mexican walks up your sidewalk with a hand on a gun at his side?
How will you feel when a black guy with a gun approaches your son while he’s reading on your front porch?

sirpacs

May 7th, 2010
11:07 am

Let’s stop this talk of the government taking away our freedoms. From both sides this argument is hypocritical. The Right is willing to trade freedoms for physical security and the Left is will to trade freedoms for economic security. In both cases they have forfeited the right to say the government should not take away their rights. If you really are for personal freedom then you must be will to except the cost of those freedoms. You must be pro-drugs and the crime it causes, you must be pro-letting people starve to death because of their choices, you must be will to let friends and family die because they cannot afford to go to the doctor or buy the medicine because they did not save their money and instead spent in wasteful ways. Either accept the consequences of freedom completely or accept the deals we have made with government by selling our freedom for security of one form or another.

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:07 am

I will feel threatened because it’s against the law to openly carry a firearm. If someone comes up the sidewalk of my home brandishing a firearm I would call 911, then retreat to my bedroom and arm myself.

If the police arrive in time they can arrest the person for openly carrying a firearm.

If the person makes the mistake of breaking into my home, I’d call 911 again and tell them to skip the cop car and just send a coroner.

Concerned U.S. Citizen

May 7th, 2010
11:08 am

Here we go again with the State’s Rights paradigm!

I’m not opposed to sound legislative decisions from any body of government. (Federal, State, or local) But when states create legislation that either crosses the line or straddles the fence of ethical lines, I am.
There comes a point in time when legislation is being adopted out of spite not in spite of the administration. (In Georgia’s case it is in spite of the Airport Security Executives)
Arizona’s legislation is a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that will have disastrous long-term effects on the state. (Classic misguided leadership in the legislature and the executive branch) This piece of legislation’s impact on citizens is FAR worse than any netted “illegals”.
I’m not opposed to the 2nd Amendment. I just don’t understand the motivation or comforts someone would have by carry firearms in an airport.

Richard in CA

May 7th, 2010
11:08 am

Holder said the Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment right to own guns. “That doesn’t mean, however, that that right is one that absolute,” Holder said. “We have to balance that individual right against our collective security.”

The Second Amendment gives US citizens the right to keep and bear arms. And that this right shall not be infringed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear
12.to carry; bring: to bear gifts.
To carry from one place to another; transport.

It’s not rocket science. It’s plain simple english. We have the right to own and hold our arms as we see fit. Shall not be infringed. How is it people cannot understand it.

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:08 am

How will you feel when a big mexican walks up your sidewalk with a hand on a gun at his side?
How will you feel when a black guy with a gun approaches your son while he’s reading on your front porch?
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Oh I get it, you can’t win the argument with facts or logic, so you have to bring race into it. What a bore.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:08 am

How will law abiding white people feel when they’re approached by big black guys in baggy pants armed with guns strapped to their side?

LJ

May 7th, 2010
11:09 am

This is hilarious- each and every time the GA legislature passes a new bill that expands concealed carry rights you always get the same knee-jerk cries of “blood in the streets” and “wild-west shoot outs.” And yet these scenarios of shootouts on Marta, or shootouts in restaurants, have NEVER materialized(In fact, the crime rate on MARTA went DOWN the year after carry was legalized on public transportation!).

The bill simply legalizes carrying a weapon in the unsecured areas of the airport. You cant go past security and you can board a plane. But the part of the airport that is essentially a shopping mall you are free to carry in…. just like regular shopping malls or restaurants or whatever.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:09 am

Just answer the question NRB2

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:11 am

@ atlshirt.com

Stop being a dumbazz. No one has attack your rights or my rights to own a gun. You just cannot carry your gun in a high security risk public place were large crowds are known to gather. The airport has more than enough trainned security personnel to handle “breach of security” situations without a bunch of nutjobs toting guns and acting like the lone ranger. You would be more of a hinderance to the public than a help.

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:11 am

Just answer the question NRB2
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I honestly don’t know what your question is?

Again, openly carrying a firearm is considered brandishing and is illegal, even with a permit. You can’t legally carry a gun on your side, exposed for the world to see.

If someone does that, I would feel threatened and could legally defend myself. And I don’t care if the idiot is black, white, green, or purple.

The only one obsessed with the race angle is you.

Darius

May 7th, 2010
11:12 am

All Blacks, Latino’s, Arabs, and Other Minorities… Especially MEN, should take advantage of these laws and openly carry firearms EVERYWHERE they go… and we’ll see how much longer “conversatives” stand for such ridiculous ease of restricitions of gun laws.

Devildog

May 7th, 2010
11:12 am

–John Doe, you need to go back to school and learn about periods, commas, capital letters and conjugation.
–Ironic Elephant, go down to Five Points and see how long it takes to find a cop to rescue you.
Oh, and if you wonder why so much crime is suddenly taking place on college campuses–Georgia State, Tech, Emory–it’s because the crooks realized those kids AREN’T allowed to carry. It’s like putting wolves in a sheep pen.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
11:12 am

“This statement is not entirely true. It is currently illegal to drink in a restaurant which serves alcohol while carrying and it is currently illegal to carry in a bar. There is nothing which makes it illegal for me to carry and consume alcohol elsewhere.”

Not really correct either. You can indeed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.

See, this is one of the reasons this bill needs to pass. It’s much clearer for those that prefer to carry, so they don’t become criminalized by a technicality.

So let’s see a show of hands, (no, this is not a robbery) how many of you have actually READ the bill?

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:13 am

The airport has more than enough trainned security personnel to handle “breach of security” situations
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Excuse me, but I think I laughed myself into a hernia.

Are you talking about the minimum wage high school drop-outs that are usually asleep standing up at the coffee counter?

about time

May 7th, 2010
11:15 am

gatorman770 – about time” if you studies your government and US History and read the Federalist Papers you would know that the “militia” was defined as the “whole body” of American citizenship abled to be mobilized and organized to protect the US, i.e. the same militia that helped defeat the British and has been the deterrent that kept the leaders of Japan, Germany, USSR, etc. from attempting a invasion of the US during WW1, WW2 and the cold war.
I’m just asking a question and I know what a militia is as defined by the constitution. I just want to know how that translates into your right to carry a gun around anywhere that you want?

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:16 am

How will law abiding white people feel when they’re approached by big black guys in baggy pants armed with guns strapped to their side?
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Since it’s illegal to carry a gun strapped to your side, probably threatened. Just like a black guy would feel if a white guy with an openly displayed firearm would feel.

Not sure what race has to do with any of this, other than a sad attempt to change the subject.

no excuses

May 7th, 2010
11:17 am

Let me be clear. I understand our constitutional right to own a gun, but like many have said, an airport is no place for a gun. Sure, go ahead and protect your home and family (I do), but keep it at home. If the lift on the ban of assault weapons didn’t cause a rise in crime, where’s the proof that crime dropped due to the legalization of carrying weapons into public places?

The only crime I’ve seen at the airport is the $2.00 I was charged for a Diet Coke! Guess if I waved my .38 around I might have gotten a better deal.

Don’t make this a childish liberal vs. conservative argument either. This is all about common sense and safety for all.

Matt

May 7th, 2010
11:18 am

Who brought up sitting in an airport bar? Why would I go to the airport to sit in a bar and get drunk? why would I care if a flight is delayed, I am not going to get on a flight with a gun. These points are not relevant to the law.

I think the point is that a person could carry a weapon when they go to get a friend. it is not that there is a threat at a partiular place, it may be the parking lot of the place, or traveling from home to the place.

Most people would never know if the person next to you is carrying a gun or not. That is why it is called concealed carry. By the way.. there is no such thing as a concealed carry permit, it is a georgia firearms license. Georgia has open carry as well.

All I ask is not to have my right dictated to me or infringed upon by people that think they know what is best. I rarely carry but like the option to do so.

What?

May 7th, 2010
11:18 am

An article in the Amarillo, Texas, newspaper indicates that of the 327,560 concealed carry permit holders in the state. The article provides some great figures to ponder if you don’t believe in concealed carry. For example, of the 1,791 robbery convictions in Texas last year, there was not a single CCW holder among them. This is not just standard for Texas, these figures are echoed nationally. People do not obtain a permit to carry or buy a gun legally to commit a crime.

Eric Holder needs to concentrate on things that DO cause crime rates to rise. Of course so far he has proven to be the most ignorant attorney general the USA has ever had. Read the statistics Holder before you spew forth more liberal horse hockey!

Atlantarama

May 7th, 2010
11:19 am

The 2nd Amendment is OUTDATED in the 21st century and should be repealed.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:19 am

@ LJ.. if your comments are true, then why even pass a bill? There would be no need to since crime is on the decline. As for the airport, there is no such thing as an unsecure location. I’ve been to Hartsfield many times. Once you step out of your car, cops and security personnel are all around (local, state, and federal). There is no practical need for this bill. There is no reason for you or any citizen to carry a gun at the airport. Besides, what the hell are you going to do with a gun at the airport? You cannot get pass the security gates, you cannot take it on a plane. The majority of the people who go to airports are trying to get on a plane unless they work there. Or are you just one of those idiots who go to the airport, hang out in the lobby with a concealed weapon and wait for something to jump off?

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:20 am

If you’re not honest enough to answer I’ll answer for you. Threatened. And that’s exactly how people feel when some bald fat overweight white guy who can’t handle himself, but walks around with a chip on his shoulder because he’s armed, struts about. Non white people especially, don’t like this non-sense because we know just how stupid white people with guns can be. White people don’t like this non-sense because they know just how stupid white people with guns can be. Everyone will arm to protect themselves. This is not a good idea for a society that already suffers 20K + deaths per year from guns, hand guns specifically. This is not necessary, this will not solve problems in this state. I believe it will escalate gun violence, maybe not at first, but down the line, gun deaths either accidental or intentional will skyrocket. Not a place I want my daughter to grow up in.

grifter

May 7th, 2010
11:21 am

Great. Just what the already fully armed state of GA needs. More guns carried in more places. Georgia’s easy access to weapons is a plague on our state (and many others) and making it easier to carry and conceal them is supposed to help how? Stop drinking the NRA coolaid and realize that gun control is the ONLY solid method to aid in preventing violent crime. As it is all the cops can do is show up and tag the bodies. The police can’t save you if someone breaks down your door armed with guns and bad intentions. Adding MORE guns to the mix isn’t the solution.

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:21 am

CCW holders carrying a gun into the airport won’t matter at all. You still can’t get past the security checkpoint, so it’s not like it’s the entire airport. Just the baggage area (if memory serves me correct) and the ticket lines.

On top of this, people who are traveling will NOT have the guns on them due to the obvious facts that you can’t get past the security checkpoint OR bring a gun on the plane.

Maybe just a handful of people that are picking up travelers or meeting family members in baggage claim will even be armed. And out of a thousand people you MIGHT have ONE person who is a CCW and actually carrying while in the airport.

You guys make it sound like everyone is gonna be strapped at the airport and there’s going to be shootouts over nothing.

But as usual, it’s the inflated liberal hyperbole.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:25 am

People who don’t want their children to learn about an handle guns will be forced to teach them. Even though I would rather not teach my daughter to “handle a firearm” I will be compelled to. She’ll have to get her carry permit, and be armed, because all these boneheads are. That’s what people will feel, and do. How can people not see t

atlshirt.com

May 7th, 2010
11:25 am

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:11 am

Who said I was carrying to help out in the event that something happens at the airport ?? I said that I was carrying to protect myself, thats all… oh and you can not see the attacks on gus ?? Look at AJC home page, Cynthia tucker has a gun issue on her blog, this blog, jay bookman, the left is constantly attacking gun rights, and we will not stand for it…. oh, and thanks for the name calling, just proves everyones point about the left, if we do not agree with you, thats exactly what you resort to…

Amazed

May 7th, 2010
11:26 am

I am constantly amazed at all the folks that want to rage against laws about carrying guns. Do you all think that folks don’t already carry loaded guns into the airport or bars or any place they choose? The laws are only for those that choose to be present day “law abiding” citizens.

We are already BY LAW allowed to carry any place we so choose. See the
Second Amendment.

As to all the illegals…democrats will make them all legal so they can get their votes. Why else do you think we are hearing all the catering to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP FOLKS< this country is being given away by the politicians!!!!!

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:26 am

I’m sorry, How can people not see where this will eventually go?

What?

May 7th, 2010
11:26 am

The bill does not allow people to carry weapons on airplanes. People you will still have to go through security check points with metal detectors and x-ray machines to board a plane. This law will in no way whatsoever make it easier to get a weapon on an airplane.

grifter

May 7th, 2010
11:28 am

Why is it people always pull the Second Amendment when they want to do something stupid? And the states rights argument? Didn’t our country settle this issue in, say, 1865? The South lost people. Quite frankly, I find myself consistently relying on federal oversight to correct the idiotic, racist, homophobic, egotistical decisions by Georgia’s white male legislators.

NRB2

May 7th, 2010
11:28 am

Non white people especially, don’t like this non-sense because we know just how stupid white people with guns can be.
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But the facts don’t align with your comments because it’s actually african americans who commit the most gun violence.

And the myth of the “angry white male” with a “chip on his shoulder” and “armed to the teeth” is just that: a myth.

Kdog

May 7th, 2010
11:28 am

Just glad there will not be guns in heaven

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:28 am

Ren – you really this stupid; john doe – your mastery of english is only outpaced by your mastery of the US Constitution. Holder is wrong – “shall not be infringed” translates into unfettered. Finally, john doe – you do not make decisions for other citizens. you will never know what law abiding citizens are carrying – that is the idea, and it effectively tamps down criminal behavior. How many murders occur in NY city & California, the two most progressive, liberal, educated placed in the country?

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:29 am

I have no issue with a licensed gun owner carrying a gun in their car while driving to the airport, you already have the right to do that and this bill does not address that. I do, however, have an issue with a licensed gun owner, who is apart of the airport security personnel, entering the doors of an airport with a gun, concealed or not. At that point, its not your job to provide security, its the airport’s job.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:30 am

Correction: in my last post, I meant “who is NOT apart of the airport security personnel,”

DJ Sniper

May 7th, 2010
11:31 am

I don’t have a problem with people carrying concealed weapons, but it kills me how some people in this state seem to think that their liberties are being infringed upon if they aren’t allowed to carry their guns in every conceivable place they can go. Also, can somebody please tell me why our legislature is considering allowing people to carry guns in bars, yet we STILL can’t buy alcohol on Sundays??????

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:32 am

Amazed

Why do people need to carry guns at all? And no, I don’t think people are carrying loaded guns in the Airport. Are you? Once the democrats make them all legal, you want them armed?

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:33 am

atlantarama: thank god you can not obtain what you wish – how many crimes do you commit per week?

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:34 am

@ NRB2 you said:
“But the facts don’t align with your comments because it’s actually african americans who commit the most gun violence. ”

I already research the facts months ago via the FBI. You are WRONG. Whites commit most violent crimes in the U.S.

Houckster

May 7th, 2010
11:35 am

RICHARD IN CA writes: The Second Amendment gives US citizens the right to keep and bear arms. And that this right shall not be infringed.

It’s not rocket science. It’s plain simple english. We have the right to own and hold our arms as we see fit. Shall not be infringed. How is it people cannot understand it.
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No, it’s not rocket science but common sense and some degree of intellectual discipline is required in the interpretation of what is provided under the Second Amendment and those who favor expanded gun rights are far too prone to forget that there are real limits to their “rights”.

The Georgia law means that an increased risk is born by others because even a law-abiding citizen may undergo a traumatic event that can unsettle him/her to the point of commiting violence (murder and mayhem)in the extreme. To those who say that carrying weapons while on MARTA, for example, has not led to the blood bath proposed is simply not correct. It hasn’t happened YET. Hopefully it never will but there is absolutely no reason to believe it can’t happen.

And as for shoot-outs, they have happened so frequently in our history as to make those who want us to believe that granting the right to carry a gun just about anywhere appear almost irresponsibly foolish.

In District of Columbia v Heller, Justice Antonio Scala wrote: “Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Clearly there is very real cause for concern with this new Georgia law and there should be.

Amazed

May 7th, 2010
11:36 am

G Cancryn

Wow, Simply amazed how even this can be made into a racial issue.
Don’t hear of too many “white” gangs with guns doing drive bys. Actuallyt don’t hear of “white” gangs at all.

Yes teach your daughter to defend herself with a gun!!! Should be mandatory that everyone own and no how to use guns. Less crime when the criminals know that the citizens are armed.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:36 am

grifter – you comments are blatant manure. GA does not have a lot of violent crime – compare us to NJ, or NY city. If you don’t like GA’s laws & culture, leave.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:36 am

NRB2 CHECK OUT PADDY O

who do you think committed so many of them? The disenfranchised (fatherless), lawless young black man

SEE ?!!!!!!! THERE IT IS!!!! THAT’S THE WHOLE FEELING !!!!!!!!!

You say why inject race into it. But you don’t say anything to Paddy O because you both agree. This scared racism is a major motivating factor in this whole gun issue. Be honest, you haven’t been so far.

The Gecko

May 7th, 2010
11:38 am

Senate Bill 308 Read it folks.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:39 am

Amazed

Did you ever think that maybe people DON’T WANT TO TEACH THEIR KIDS GUN MANAGEMENT!! Don’t you get it? People like you are intruding on our civil rights not to be armed. You are forcing us to arm, and arm our children.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:39 am

grifter – it must be tough being a black racist in a predominantly white society. Compare Africa to Europe – which continent has more problems? Why? Accident? Also, you are not obligated to stay.

GA Teach

May 7th, 2010
11:39 am

Just so everyone understands. The majority of gun shooting occur by those you can not own guns legally.

LJ

May 7th, 2010
11:39 am

@ LJ.. if your comments are true, then why even pass a bill? There would be no need to since crime is on the decline. As for the airport, there is no such thing as an unsecure location. I’ve been to Hartsfield many times. Once you step out of your car, cops and security personnel are all around (local, state, and federal). There is no practical need for this bill. There is no reason for you or any
emack:
citizen to carry a gun at the airport. Besides, what the hell are you going to do with a gun at the airport? You cannot get pass the security gates, you cannot take it on a plane. The majority of the people who go to airports are trying to get on a plane unless they work there. Or are you just one of those idiots who go to the airport, hang out in the lobby with a concealed weapon and wait for something to jump off?
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Emack, use some critical thinking skills, please.

It is legal to carry a concealed weapon in the vast majority of the state, and many people do so. So lets say you are going the the airport to pick someone up. Should it be a felony to carry a concealed weapon, as you always do, when you go to pick someone up?

But then you ask why would we ever need a gun at the airport. Think for a minute- consider that the individual who is going to pick someone up at the airport is traveling from and to somewhere else before and after being at the airport- places perfectly legal to carry a weapon. Places they may feel the need to carry a weapon(*cough* Atlanta *cough*). Should this person simply leave his or her weapon in the side of the road before going to the airport(its currently a felony to have a weapon IN YOUR CAR as you drive through the drop off area)?

And to further clarify- unsecured areas are areas BEYOND the metal detectors and security checkpoints. Simply having a police officer walk around does not make an area “secure.”

IRONICELEPHANT

May 7th, 2010
11:40 am

Last comment today.

I believe in the DEATH PENALTY. My uncle was shot in the face and killed (when he opened his front door) when I was very young. His killer was never found. If they had found him, I would have wanted him to face the DEATH PENALTY.

I am admittedly Liberal, but I hunt, fish, hang out with my Red-Neck friends, and have multiple weapons myself. But I think that we just need to interject some COMMON-SENSE into our legistlative process.

For instance, if you are carry legal or not, if you KILL someone in the commission of a felony, I think that you should face the DEATH PENALTY. PERIOD! That applys to legally permitted folk who get mad and shoots their wife, girlfriend, husband, boyfriend, stranger at a bar, road-rage victim, irratating person at church, or “terrorist looking” person at the airport. If you TAKE A LIFE, and it is NOT in SELF-DEFENSE (and the shooting results in felonious charges), then WE THE PEOPLE should have the right to take yours as well. I think if we took this stance as a nation and as a state, it would stop a lot of violence. If you kill someone in the commission of a felony, you could be killed yourself! Then we need to enforce that law! You rob a store, break into a house, or you get drunk and mad at someone at a bar after words about your girlfriend, and shoot someone, WE KILL YOU TOO! That will make a lot of folks think twice.

Lastly, the smart thing to do is carry NON-LETHAL FORCE in public (Taser, mase, etc.) and have your LETHAL FORCE ready for fools who want to do you harm while in your car, or who approach you with the same frame of mind in your home or other private property. I say LET THEM HAVE IT if you are DEFENDING yourself!!!!!!

Have a great weekend and like I have said before I will be running for office in the near future, once I have secured my family financially so that I will not be influenced by money. I just want us all to live together in peace….. GOD BLESS…..

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:41 am

emack – please state those statistics. also remember, blacks are 18% of the population, so if they commit over 45%, individually, they are committing crime at a much higher rate than whites.

G Cancryn

May 7th, 2010
11:41 am

Hey Paddy O

Georgia has a much higher gun violence rate than NY

pale padre

May 7th, 2010
11:42 am

Regardless of the law,any terrorist will do what they want.
A guy doesn’t have a gun so he beats two women with a baseball bat.
Criminals will use whatever they can to hurt people.
Eric Holder is becoming more like someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Paranoia Division

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:43 am

Houckster – do you see the absurd example you used to validate your point? This is not grounds to legislate away the 2nd amendment.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:44 am

What are those statistics?

The Gecko

May 7th, 2010
11:44 am

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:45 am

G Can: I was refuting your statement regarding the white majority, I did not “inject” race into. Are you this dedicated to manipulating popular opinion?

Waynester

May 7th, 2010
11:46 am

Hey Bars?
Even without this change to the law, we permit holders are allowed to carry in bars that derive 50% or more of their revenue from food, we just aren’t allowed to drink.

Houckster

May 7th, 2010
11:46 am

PADDY O: Be specific. Also, read my post. I never advocated legislating away the Second Amendment.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:46 am

NOT NY, NY city – the bastion of liberalism. Upstate NY is predominantly rural and peaceful.

Houckster

May 7th, 2010
11:48 am

PALE PADRE: Eric Holder is becoming more like someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Paranoia Division.
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That’s the whole reason behind much of the gun rights attitude. Holder isn’t the paranoid here.

smitty

May 7th, 2010
11:48 am

I’m not afraid of GFL holders. They’ve had a background check and are not felons. I AM afraid of the dirtbag who’s trying to hurt me or take what’s mine. Currently it is illegal to have a gun in your car when you enter Airport property, including dropping off passengers or the parking area. All this law changes is it allows individuals with a GFL to carry guns on their person or in their vehicle while in non-secure areas of the airport. It’s still illegal to try to take one into a secured area of the airport like the gate areas. I’m not sure why there is such a backlash against this law.
The truth of the matter is that it is currently more difficult to get a GFL in Georgia, than it is to qualify to serve on the police.
There’s been no correlation between states that allow open/concealed carry and any rise in gun violence.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
11:49 am

@ atlshirt.com seriously,

I do believe in the rights of individuals citizens to own and carry a gun and protect themselves. But there some pubic places were this cannot be allowed (etc. banks, stadiums, airports, church, work). Besides, in that brief time you walk from the airport doors to the security check point, what could happen that would make you feel you need a gun to protect yourself. Nevermind the countless police officers outside the airport doors or security personnel (uniformed and undercover) who are in the airport looking out for your safty. If by chance something does happen to you on your brief walk, whats the likely scenario? Security would rush to the scene with guns drawn and pointed at you because you decided to defend yourself by brandishing a gun. The security guys are not goint to distingush between whos right and whos wrong. And its more likely they may shoot first and ask questions later.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:50 am

Here is specific; your quote: “an increased risk is born by others because even a law-abiding citizen may undergo a traumatic event that can unsettle him/her to the point of commiting violence (murder and mayhem)in the extreme.” There is no increase in risk by the passage of this law. Secondly, how does the occurrence of a traumatic event affect the passage of this law? To those who say that carrying weapons while on MARTA, for example, has not led to the blood bath proposed is simply not correct. It hasn’t happened YET – Originally, it was stated that this would occur if the last law was passed. It has not because IT WAS NOT A DIRECT, ABSOLUTE result of the ability of law abiding citizens to carry weapons, and it will not be.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
11:51 am

emack – every time I have gone to ATL, I have parked in the unsecured park & ride – I can see how a person from Rome would prefer to have some protection at these locations.

Mike C>>>

May 7th, 2010
11:53 am

You normally do not here of licensed gun owners shooting people… unless the person has a crime comitted against them personally. usually you here that the perpetrator that has used a gun during the commision of a crime has also been charge with possesion of a firearm by a convicted felon in addition to the other charges against him….just sayin…

Mike C>>>

May 7th, 2010
11:55 am

Bob H

May 7th, 2010
11:56 am

I think we need to take it a step further, and make Kennesaw Georgia’s Law, Statewide. Kennesaw requires everyone in the city limits to own a gun. I like this idea, all the bleeding heart, yellow dog dems would freak, if by law they MUST OWN A GUN. hehehehe :)

Conservative Bob

dtboy

May 7th, 2010
11:56 am

Being able to carry a gun in non-secure areas of the airport is fine for me. The more places criminals are aware we can carry one, the less places they’ll be inclined to start trouble. States are suppose to be sovereign. Therefore, it should be state choice.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
12:00 pm

@ Paddy O…
Re: Statistics
In my comments I do acknowledge the fact that the percentage of blacks involved in violent crimes are disproportionately higher than other races in the U.S. However, I refuse to believe this fact can be attributed to blacks just for being black and are sub-human. I say you dig deeper into the true cause of this fact. I would argue that poor socioeconomic and environmental conditions, which are disproportionately higher amongst blacks, coupled with poor parental responsibility and a lack of moral values are likely candidates.

The gross statistics does matter and should not be ignored because it is the raw truth. Even though the percentage of blacks committing violent crimes is disproportionately high, overall, whites commit more violent crimes in the U.S than blacks. It is disingenuous for someone to say Blacks commit more violent crimes than whites as some have argued on the video post. The raw numbers prove otherwise.

I am a solutions-oriented person and solutions cannot be identified until we are honest about the problems. For example, you stated:

For starters, blacks commit a higher proportion of violent crime

This statement is inaccurate. The FBI statistics showed that 10.6 million violent crimes were committed in the U.S. in 2007. The proportion of violent crimes committed by blacks was 28% and the proportion committed by whites was 70%. A more accurate statement would be:

A higher proportion of blacks committed violent crimes than whites or other races

For argument sake, lets say a particular community has 100 residents:

Crimes % of race
residents (total=31) committed crime
Black: 25 10 (32%) 40%
White: 70 20 (64%) 28.6%
Other: 5 1 (3%) 20%

This is indicative of the national numbers. With this snapshot, I can make the following truthful statements:

Whites committed a higher proportion (64%) of crimes than blacks or others in this community.

A higher proportion of blacks (40%) committed violent crimes than whites or others in this community.

Certain people will misrepresent the statistics as to demean the black race for their own racist agenda. . This doesnt help anything. As I said before, a violent crime rate over 0% is unacceptable for any race.

Here is the link to the FBI statistics:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_43.html

StJ

May 7th, 2010
12:02 pm

“We have to balance that individual right against our collective security.”

Translation: You don’t have that right unless we feel “secure” enough to allow you to have that right.

And of course, the National Socialist Party doesn’t feel “secure” when it’s busy trampling the people’s rights.

Devildog

May 7th, 2010
12:02 pm

All these people can vote? OMG!!!!!!

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:06 pm

OK, G Canryn: Murder statistics: NY CITY: 1990: 2262 murders; 2001: 649 murders; 2009:: 471 murders
GA (entire state): 1990: 792 murders; 2001: 649 murders; 2008: 622 murders.
Where is it more dangerous to live? Where are you more likely to be murdered? The state of GA, or the CITY OF NY?

emack06

May 7th, 2010
12:07 pm

@ Paddy you said: “emack – every time I have gone to ATL, I have parked in the unsecured park & ride – I can see how a person from Rome would prefer to have some protection at these locations.”

I argue that the park and ride place is not apart of the airport. its an offsite private parking facility. I use the other guys, the parking spot. Like I said, I have no issue with someone carring a gun in their can up to the point of where they park their car be it offsite or onsite airport parking. But once you decide to get out of your car and head to the airport with a gun intow, then that’s an issue. I’ve been parking at the parking spot for years which is across the street from the company you use. I never felt unsafe parking there. There are plenty of people around and they have their own security.

PegK

May 7th, 2010
12:12 pm

Loaded guns have no business in airports, schools, political rallys, or in any arena where tempers may flare. I’ve seen passengers screaming in frustration in a variety of areas of airports. I’m thankful they were not able to reach for a gun in a moment of blind rage.

Aaron Gould Sheinin

May 7th, 2010
12:13 pm

Hey y’all, I’m pleased to have such spirited discussion on what is obviously a sensitive issue. But the level of discourse is getting dangerously close to a point where I’m going to have to close commenting. Please, for everyone’s sake, can the blatantly racist rhetoric. And that goes for everyone.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
12:18 pm

“Again, openly carrying a firearm is considered brandishing and is illegal, even with a permit. You can’t legally carry a gun on your side, exposed for the world to see.”

Open carry is legal in Georgia and has been for many years.

Houckster

May 7th, 2010
12:19 pm

PADDY O: You simply cannot recognize reality here. The more guns and the more people carrying them, the more possibility that one will be used. This is a statistical reality just as the more oil rigs we have in the Gulf, the more possibility exists that we might have a spill. You have no argument here. Your only option is simply to deny the possibility and that’s apparently what you’re doing.

You ask: “Secondly, how does the occurrence of a traumatic event affect the passage of this law?”

I never posed this question.

As for your MARTA comments, see my first paragraph. Again, the effect of the law is to increase the statistical probability of a shoot-out or an accident. This is what the opposition to the law was really saying. There is absolutely no justification for stating the opposition is wrong simply because the event they invisioned hasn’t happened yet. It could happen tomorrow.

Of course your final comment: It (a shooting incident) has not [occurred] because IT WAS NOT A DIRECT, ABSOLUTE result of the ability of law abiding citizens to carry weapons, and it will not be.” is completely illogical.

It is impossible for a law-abiding citizen to commit murder because if they did they would go from being a law-abiding citizen to a murderer but the law you defend would make it easier for them to do this.

MrZip

May 7th, 2010
12:19 pm

why should Mr Holder worry,he has all the protection in washington,tell him to come on down to savvannah ga by his self and walk down bay street alone,see how brave he is??
may as well do away with all gun laws,sooner or later everyone will will wearing a gun anyway.PERIOD

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:21 pm

emack: I would agree. It is horrible; especially since most violent crime is committed intra-race (black on black, white on white). My whole point is that this law will not increase the # of murders, and most likely will reduce the potential for violence. You will NEVER reduce the incidence of violence to 0; that is pollyanna. I concur with your statistics, but I suspect in GA, it is higher. Once i get GBI info, I would bet 90% of murders occurred in either Atlanta, Albany, Macon and Savannah. The primary connection is an urban environment followed by the large presence of blacks. Government can not stop black women from recreationally fornicating, thus creating 70% of kids without fathers. From my observance, it is the female who fails to provide control & punishment when their children act improperly. Finally, your reaction is that of a liberal – create a law which burdens the legal, law abiding citizen to protect those who might be impacted by an occurrence which is most likely not going to occur.

space donkey

May 7th, 2010
12:23 pm

What a freakin’ idiot. Don’t cops and air marshals carry guns?
Maybe this clown never heard that 9-11 was carried out by box
cutters.

TERROR TERROR TERROR!!! It’s all out spineless politicos and media talk
about. These guys wouldn’t hate us if we’d stop supporting the criminally
insane bigots in Israel.

Rocko

May 7th, 2010
12:26 pm

I’m sure the bomber trying to escape in JFK would not have qualified for a carry permit…. Anything to try to demonize individual freedom. Arizona, Georgia whoever if you don’t think like they do destroy you, blame everything on anyone except Barrack Hussein Obama.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:27 pm

Iron: I do not support the death penalty, except for exceptional circumstance – mass murder, cop killing. there are too many incidences of mistaken prosecution. Also, the 10 commandments say “thou shalt not kill”, and that should apply in these cases. Life without parole is adequate punishment & keeps the general public safe.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
12:28 pm

“PADDY O: You simply cannot recognize reality here. The more guns and the more people carrying them, the more possibility that one will be used.”

So why isn’t this a problem in the other states that allow it? I’m sorry, but the facts don’t back up your emotional theory.

Rocko

May 7th, 2010
12:28 pm

about time like every other rite in the constitution it applies to individuals. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed….. note keep and bearrrrrrrrrr is how it applies to carrying them anywhere you want….

emack06

May 7th, 2010
12:31 pm

@ LJ It seems you should be the one using critical thinking.

The airport drop off point is where I see a brigrade of police officers directing traffic, monitoring people and keeping the peace. Really, at that point, how likely is it someone is going to carjack you or rob you. not likely. As I said before, there is no need to have a gun on your person between the airport entrance and the airport security checkpoint. So why even bring it.

if you have a gun in your car and you are goint to pick someone up, fine. keep the gun in your car, pickup your friend and leave. Do not arouse suspision. Or better yet, arrange to meet your friend at the offsite car rental place. Your friend can take the new free tran ride from the airport to the car rental place.

The most secure area of an airport is beyond the secutiy checkpoint upto the departure gates. Officers are all over that area, waiting to respone to incidents. If you dont believe me, test it out the next time you’re waiting for plane at a gate which is beyond the secutity checkpoint. Just pull out a gun and wave it around and show it to your friends, better yet a stranger.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
12:33 pm

It’s always fascinating to see any comment section on any topic eventually become a race issue.

This is not a race issue. At the range I shoot at, there are whites, blacks, hispanics, asians. and women of all races as well.

Stop trying to make this a race issue. It’s not.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:35 pm

I guess the primary difference is, I do not think the government should usurp the ability of law abiding people to carry concealed weapons, as they will rarely (if ever) use the weapon (especially to commit a crime). You do not trust your fellow citizen, I do – it does not matter if the citizen if female, black, or white – if they obtain the carry permit from the state, legally, they should be able to carry that weapon where they wish without the threat of a felony charge being lodged against them. It is my opinion that the individual with the carry permit respects the law, but more especially respects life. My experience with Georgians is they really enjoy freedom – mine to do as I please, as well as their to do as they please. Regarding the possiblity of an individual committing a crime due to stress, it is a fact of life which is impossible to eliminated – particularly when you live in a pluralistic society as ours. When you factor the US Constitution into the legal argument, the law as proposed is completely logical, ethical and proper – and in line with the Consitition.

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
12:35 pm

Wow, has this conversation went to the dark side or what!

It may be interesting for some of you who think this law is stupid to know that 40 states allow carry in airports. Most of those are with license, but some don’t require a license. I don’t all the massive problems that Holder and you folks see happening, happening there. Are do you suppose only Georgia’s license holders could do such a thing?

It also may be interesting for you know that Georgia’s 110 other airports allow carry and they don’t have issues. Its just Hartsfield-Jackson and Atlanta with the problem. Maybe you Atlantians are afraid of letting other law abiding Atlantians carry while the criminals continue to do as they please.

It also may be interesting for you to know, doubt it, that many of your policeman cannot get a Georgia Firearms License due their criminal backgrounds. However, these same individuals have no issues passing the law enforcement entry point. Imagine that.

Get Real

May 7th, 2010
12:35 pm

Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano are politicians without a clue. How these idiots ever get into a position like they have is beyond reason!

Scott in Tucker

May 7th, 2010
12:36 pm

The bill only allows a firearm on the public side of the security screen, if you have a concealed carry permit. If you make it past the security screen, you are in for it.

To get a permit in the state of Georgia you must be fingerprinted, each finger and both palm prints are recorded.

The GBI and the FBI do a full background check on you, for which you pay additional fees for.

On top of all of that, Georgia law still makes you very responsible for what happens with the bullets in your firearm.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:36 pm

emack – to fulfill your utopion vision of society, you think it is reasonable to impose unreasonable behavior on people – this is senseless and makes you out to be a despot.

Rocko

May 7th, 2010
12:37 pm

oh no excuses obviously you do not understand the right it is not just a right to own it is a right to keep and beaaaarrrrrrr!!!!! arms… Those are not the things on the end of your shoulders. Oh and Paddy O in the states that allow carry violent crimes always go down drastically when the law is passed. Criminals never know who has a weapon and being the cowards they are don’t won’t to be shot.
The people who carry them are law abiding citizens or they would not be allowed to carry them… They don’t go around shooting people for the fun of it. It is already highly illegal for criminals to carry guns… As for using them to defend yourself or family against great bodily harm or death I have no problem with that nor did the founders…..

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:39 pm

emack – i have never carried a gun to the park & rides either, but I am not from Trenton or Bowdon. If those people feel threatened, have the gun carry permit, they should have the freedom to carry in the parking lot, into the terminal and wait where legally permissable for whoever they are picking up. Many people are free to fornicate, and I do not see a law forbidding this, and this is much more damaging to society’s resources than the gun carry law.

The Anti-Wooten

May 7th, 2010
12:40 pm

Said it before and I’ll say it again. Airport security or Atlanta Police observe anyone carrying at the airport, detain them at gunpoint(or tase them), check ALL of their paperwork, run full background verify that all of the Carry paperwork is up to date and accurate, administer as breathalyzer. If the person carrying is in absolutely full compliance with every piece of minutae around all pertinent laws then uncuff them and send them on their way. If their reason to be at the airport has now passed by 12-16 hours then that’s just the price they pay for the privilege of carry. If ANY piece of aforementioned minutae is out of order then they get to appear before an arraignment judge sometime the following week.

bisnono

May 7th, 2010
12:42 pm

Guns are for homophobic, wanna-be macho men who are afraid the entire world is out to get them and have something they’re either trying to prove or over-compensate for the lack thereof. If you’re too scared to go to the airport unless you can carry a loaded firearm with you to protect yourself from whatever it is you’re terrified of, then perhaps flying isn’t for you and you should just stay home.

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
12:42 pm

How is fornication damaging to society? I used to love to fornicate, now I’m married. :)

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:43 pm

I concur, this has nothing to do with race. the G Canryn guy was insulting large white folks a way back, I felt the need to refute his assertions. The law has nothing to with the color of ones skin, as does most of society.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:44 pm

Recreational fornication leads to unwanted pregnancy, which leads frequently to either abortion (a mortal sin, far worse than slavery), or an impoverished upbringing for the child (re: Elvis’ The Ghetto).

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
12:44 pm

bisnono is in for a reckoning when he runs into the criminals who prey on the innocent or the foolish in this world.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

bisnono – clearly a manipulative ivory tower sort of gay loving person.

rugger2

May 7th, 2010
12:45 pm

The present law is a joke. Now, if I have my pisol locked in my glove compartment and drive to the airport to drop-off or pick-up I was violating the law. When I am fishing on the streams in north Georgia in the state park, I can carry due to recent ‘clarifications’ to existing law. But if I want to use the restroom and I carry my pistol into the restroom, I commit a felony because I have a concealed weapon in a state building. Is that intelligent?

Str8UpNoChaser

May 7th, 2010
12:47 pm

FYI: People from all over the world have access to ajc’s blogs. It saddens me that the impression given by reading these comments would cast a bad light on the state of Georgia. Is it really necessary for comments on every topic to end up being us versus them? Liberals versus conservatives, blacks versus whites, educated versus uneducated; it goes on and on.

I would think that we would use these blogs to find real world solutions to our issues, instead comments devolve quickly into a pissing match. Get over yourselves.

Back on topic:
I’ve lived in Georgia all of my life and have been around guns all my life. I feel safe cleaning and carrying guns. However, that doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize a need for common sense regulation. What prevents common sense regulation? Overreaction from gun owners when any sensible regulation is proposed.

For example, mentally challenged people and felons aren’t allowed to carry at all by law. But they do anyway. How does that happen? Well, they can attend a gun show anywhere in this country and purchase whatever they want without any sort of background check. That is stupid beyond belief. But the moment that the government attempted to address this loophole, gun owners insisted that their rights were being infringed upon. Give me a break.

You also need to recognize that it’s not smart to have blanket rules that apply all over. I live in the heart of Georgia where we hunt and fish. Out lifestyle doesn’t lend itself to gun violence erupting on a daily basis. What works for my community (lax laws) would not work in Compton California. The lifestyle is different, the communitites are different and the threat level is different. A common sense approach is needed to ensure the safety of us all. Knee jerk responses won’t get us anywhere.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:47 pm

bisnono’s comments are a good example of the tribulations a democratic republic must endure to produce the Ben FRanklins, Henry Fords and the Gates of the world.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
12:49 pm

The gun shows I’ve been to in GA require you to do the FBI background check, which of course, if you are dishonest, is utterly worthless. How many criminals out there are dishonest?

emack06

May 7th, 2010
12:49 pm

Paddy O — “emack – i have never carried a gun to the park & rides either, but I am not from Trenton or Bowdon. If those people feel threatened, have the gun carry permit, they should have the freedom to carry in the parking lot, into the terminal and wait where legally permissable for whoever they are picking up. Many people are free to fornicate, and I do not see a law forbidding this, and this is much more damaging to society’s resources than the gun carry law.”

How can you ever “Fell threaten” before you even get there? This life of ours if full of risks and chances. Im not going to live my life constantly thinking of the negatives. But Im not against someone carry a gun in their car up to an offsite parking spot. I just never felt a need to.

Life Member

May 7th, 2010
12:50 pm

Most people are unaware that the NRA did not support this bill.

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
12:50 pm

Hmmm, now we assume all births out of wedlock leads to impoverishment. Usually, the impoverishment happened before the pregnancy. I do agree that having a child out of wedlock is not the right way and neither is abortion.

Don’t dismiss my comment as impudent. Family values are in a tail spin in this country. We are starting to look like Europeans in many ways. Even in regard to some folks desires to do away with firearms in America.

Mark

May 7th, 2010
12:56 pm

41 States allow the carry of concealed weapons in the non-sterile part of the airport. Holder is being dishonest and playing on people’s fears.

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
12:57 pm

Ah! However, the NRA has regressed and is now in favor of it. I still cancelled my membership. It is/was ludicrous not to do away with 160ish year old public gathering law that originally was only against slaves (regardless of color) and free black men.

JT

May 7th, 2010
12:57 pm

Allow guns everywhere (schools, playgrounds, etc.). This will give everyone freedom to kill or to be killed.

Lynn

May 7th, 2010
12:59 pm

If the Military cant have loaded weapons on Airport property then we the general public shouldn’t either. The National Guard still in certain airports have unloaded weapons. This law is just ridiculous!! Right to have guns – does not include a right to be an idiot.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
1:01 pm

Did not indicate it was absolute – believe i said frequently. Go to your local public housing – ask for the # of single women with children living their – it is usually a good many of people. Recreational fornication is probably the most damaging activity to the resources of this country that anything else that occurs in an ongoing manner.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

JT – how did you perceive the actual goal of the law? Brilliantly houghy.

Stacy S

May 7th, 2010
1:02 pm

I thought it was 40 states. Either way, the vast majority of them do. However, no one wants Georgia to have it?! Meaning if I fly out of Atlanta, I must leave my weapon home for the entire 300 mile round trip with current law.

Renee

May 7th, 2010
1:04 pm

Gun Ownership – It’s The
Law In Kennesaw
By Jonathan Hamilton and David Burch
Marietta Daily Journal Staff Writers
http://www.mdjonline.com/StoryDetail.cfm?id=10017128&Section=Home%20Page
3-14-1

KENNESAW, Ga – Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.

In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

The ordinance states the gun law is needed to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants.”

Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone “went crazy.”

“People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes,” he said. “Of course, that wasn’t the case.”

In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law’s passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.

“It did drop after it was passed,” he said. “After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years.”

bisnono

May 7th, 2010
1:05 pm

Paddy O – Henry Ford was an anti-immigrant, anti-liquor, Nazi sympathizer who wanted his employees to work till they dropped rather than let them unionize and be paid living wages. While his contributions to car manufacturing cannot be denied, as a human being I have to say he isn’t someone who I would hold in high regard.

Contra 2010

May 7th, 2010
1:06 pm

Perhaps Mr. Holder needs a refresher course in American history and why the Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights into the Constitution.

Unfortunately, Holder answers to a President who has nearly as mush disdain for the US Constitution as he does for capitalism. The administration’s support for the UN small arms treaty tells you all you need to know about how these morons view the 2nd Amendment.

Don'tforget

May 7th, 2010
1:08 pm

The U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, should worry about enforcing federal laws that are already on the books, i.e. immigration, before he starts to worry about Georgia.

Yosemite Sam

May 7th, 2010
1:09 pm

Let’s all carry guns. Then we can be as progressive as the Old West was in the 1800s. Yahooooo! Ride’m cowboy!

MB

May 7th, 2010
1:10 pm

Me – “This statement is not entirely true. It is currently [b]illegal to drink in a restaurant which serves alcohol while carrying[/b] and it is currently illegal to carry in a bar. There is nothing which makes it illegal for me to carry and consume alcohol elsewhere.”

TP – “Not really correct either. You can indeed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.”

Hello? A little reading comprehension is required please. I never said you couldn’t carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. I said it is currently illegal to drink in a restaurant that services alcohol while carrying. SB308 if signed will allow me to carry and drink which is good because I would like to have a beer or glass of wine with dinner (while carrying).

jconservative

May 7th, 2010
1:11 pm

If I have a right to carry a concealed weapon into Hartsfield, then Al-Qaeda has the right to carry a concealed weapon into Hartsfield. That is OK with me if it is OK with a substantial majority. But if Al Qaeda kills a few people with that weapon, at least have the integrity not to point fingers at whatever administration is in power.

There is a proposal floating around to “forbid” those people on the “terrorist watch list” from receiving a license and/or the ability to buy a weapon. My guess is it is dead in the water as it would require gun retailers to tap into the data bank.

Re the 2nd Amendment and the Supreme Court in the Heller decision: the Court said the right to carry a weapon is not absolute. Here are Justice Scalia’s words from his majority opinion: “Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose:”

This thought will probably be in the Court’s MacDonald decision expected any week.

Armed Black "THUG"

May 7th, 2010
1:13 pm

I often find myself tickled by the fact that I regularly carry a concealed cannon in my waist, and I am wearing overisized shorts , a jersey and a baseball cap pulled down over my face (and even turned to the side). I am also a concealed permit holder (LOL) . I love the fact that some view themselves so highly and view me as a lowlife simply because of how Imight be dressed. Yet I exercise my same rights that they think I probably do not have (or should not anyway). Yes I agree with others who say minorities exercise your rights like everyone else. Stop falling into the traps and having these felonies slapped on you! I think I’m in the mood for adding that AR to the collection! God Bless America!

Native American

May 7th, 2010
1:15 pm

All of you anti-2nd Amendment morons need to actually READ the bill, and READ the Constitutions of Fed and State.

I’ve traveled thru Clarkston…in fact, used to live there. Also, Hartsville airport parking lot?? LOL wow, I just went thru there returning from my trip, and the security is lousy. I’m surprised my car was not broken into.

Question: if law abiding, clean background, permit having, citizens have drama free experiences bearing arms outside of the airport, then why would a train station or airport be any different??? LOL y’all are KILIIIING me. Stop it, I’m just LOL reading how all you zealots are actually displaying total ignorance of the whole idea behind the 2nd Amendment!

WE THE PEOPLE: Caucasoid, Mongloid, and Negroid…red necks, ghetto fab, and stuck uppities, all of us have the right and DUTY to defend of life, liberty, and pursuits of happiness in ALL places under the sky. Nut cases and CRIMINALS in churches shooting priests??? Times Squares terrorist nuts, rapists, muggers, etc etc.. THEY DONT CARE about restricting laws, because they know morons like you encourage people from not bearing arms whereas a innocent standbyer could run to the rescue, armed, not simply dialing 911 (which is a joke).

I carry all the time, and when I see a mother/woman in distress, a kid in distress, or anyone in a life threatening situation, I will defend them as God helps those who help themselves and others.

Disarming citizens is the beginning of governmenting police state powers. WE THE PEOPLE should never allow the Fed to control the states, its the other way around.

As for airport terrorism, if we all were armed, and terrorist know we are armed, we are less likely to be victims of terrorism. Period.

Get real, and get right.

Sonny: SIGN IT!

Haters: step off, and move to NY where they don’t allow concealed nor open carry….u will be just as happy and safe as the government there wants you to believe.

mimi

May 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

Cemeteries and hospitals are full of people shot by someone who was legally licensed to carry the gun they fired. Other than those carried by law enforcment officers, guns do not belong in airports.

mark gilbert

May 7th, 2010
1:18 pm

im so glad we have a constitution wait obama killed it
and some posters here are the people who wanted change

curt

May 7th, 2010
1:20 pm

This law is insane but I expect no less from the goofballs in the Georgia legislature. It’s ridiculous the way some pick and choose which rights are important while denying others. We can’t educate our children or even vote on whether to buy beer on Sunday but some nutcase can bring a gun into a transportation facility where hundreds or thousands are gathered and let loose before anyone sees it coming. Do we need to have a tragedy before we say enough is enough? The new state motto should be “property of the NRA”…or “Stupid and proud of it”

J in Alpharetta

May 7th, 2010
1:21 pm

The Obama administration has no idea what the Constitution is or how it applies to them, ESPECIALLY Eric Holder.

J in Alpharetta

May 7th, 2010
1:25 pm

mimi

May 7th, 2010
1:18 pm
Cemeteries and hospitals are full of people shot by someone who was legally licensed to carry the gun they fired.
***************************************
No, they’re not. Idiot.

MB

May 7th, 2010
1:38 pm

“If I have a right to carry a concealed weapon into Hartsfield, then Al-Qaeda has the right to carry a concealed weapon into Hartsfield.”

Oh yes, I’m sure Al Qaeda members who apply for a GFL would just pass right through the GBI, FBI, and NCIS checks with flying colors.

Oh wait, I bet they wouldn’t even bother to obtain a GFL. Is it not sinking in to any of you anti-carry folks that zones where law abiding citizens are forbidden from legally carrying are nothing more than shooting galleries for those who do not care what the carry laws are, much less obey them.

And I’m tired of the argument that the police will protect us. The courts have ruled with no uncertainty that law enforcement agencies are under no legal obligation to protect anyone. I will choose to protect myself and my family wherever legal for me to do so.

Hope in Atlanta

May 7th, 2010
1:40 pm

Until people realize that it’s not economical to have an armed police officer standing on every street corner of our life then they will realize we have to protect ourselves. In my neighborhood you roll dice if you’re aren’t armed when you leave the house. When I leave my house to pick my wife up at the airport I’m left with the dilemma: bring it along or leave it in the house. I don’t have any desire to go to Houston’s in the airport packing. But I do feel more comfortable having it with me while sitting at red lights and stop signs on the way.

With that being said, let’s clean up Atlanta. Don’t be a victim.

Trizzle

May 7th, 2010
1:40 pm

I’m all for guns, and being able to carry with a permit in CERTAIN locations, but come on! The airport? Next it will be MARTA, then who knows…the capitol!

Jazz

May 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

More guns, less violence is the way I see it. Most criminals are not going to attack someone who might be carrying a gun. Terrorists start?, shoot them, someone pulls a knife?, shoot…you can see the pattern here. In most cases, a gun trumps the other guy’s weapon and if he has a gun to, he’ll shoot fewer people before someone is able to pop him.

Charlie Ball

May 7th, 2010
1:45 pm

The right to bear arms is one of America’s greatest liberties, I’ll agree. What I don’t agree with is allowing ordinary citizens to carry firearms in crowded, high traffic areas and possibly open fire because they felt “threatened”. We Americans have the right to protect ourselves, our families, and our property. We don’t have the right to engage in vigilantism or law enforcement activities.

E

May 7th, 2010
1:49 pm

CLF

May 7th, 2010
1:49 pm

John Doe must be goverment schooled. You can tell by the way he writes. Shows no cohearant understanding of what and how he writes.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
1:52 pm

“Allow guns everywhere (schools, playgrounds, etc.). This will give everyone freedom to kill or to be killed.”

You are confusing legal and illegal. Putting signs up does not stop criminals, it only makes things inconvenient for those of us that are legal.

Criminals not only ignore these “no gun” zones, in many cases the crazy ones actually head straight for them, because they know they can inflict maximum carnage with no risk to themselves.

No gun zones are a joke, simply created to make ignorant people feel better.

Moga

May 7th, 2010
1:53 pm

About time, there are hundreds of thousands of Georgians currently licensed to carry. Those numbers increase substantially with each passing year. We are currently allowed to carry in restaurants where liquor is poured. No one has been shot to death by a drunk LICENSEE and the same will be true when this latest batch of bills are passed. Give up the tired hysterics already. We heard the same in 7/08 when HB89 became law.

Kkong, loaded guns are currently allowed at 40 other states in the US. Forty. Where has this disaster transpired that you speak? That’s right, it hasn’t, has it? Once again, it is the criminals that don’t abide by the law that should be the subject of your worry. You won’t get further compliance from them by writing more restrictions into law that they ignore on principle. Gun control only impedes the law abiding citizen from protecting them self when they are under attack.

Common sense, it is currently against the law to discharge a weapon while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substance. Your concern is already spoken to in Georgia Code.

Darius, there are a number of black GFLs that do openly carry everywhere they go. It’s not uncommon to see two dozen or more of us at breakfast or cleaning up the side of the highway in the immediate metro area. The writer is one, and I can assure you that your implication is false. Today I greeted two APD officers, was passed by a GSP officer while on the street, was at the bank, spoke to my postal carrier, stopped for gas, et al, all while openly carrying my glock 40. Totally a non-event, as it always is. Do a little research on the subject and stop speaking about a matter you know nothing about to advance your pathetic agenda.

IRONICELEPHANT, your post doesn’t even deserve the dignity of a reply. You should be ashamed.

BTW, the NRA had very little to do with this legislation, and they actually tried to sabotage one of the bills, SB308, on the last day of the legislative session. We can credit the Georgia Assembly and Georgia Carry for getting this done. The people of Georgia have spoken and our elected representatives listened, for once.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
1:53 pm

If it worries Eric Holder it’s got to be good. Eric Holder is a gun confiscation communist nut. He needs to be tried for treason for his stand against his oat to the Constitution.

Thomas Paine

May 7th, 2010
1:56 pm

“We Americans have the right to protect ourselves, our families, and our property. We don’t have the right to engage in vigilantism or law enforcement activities.”

You are responsible for your own safety. Law enforcement is great, but what do you do when they’re not available? When seconds count, the police are minutes away. How do you defend yourselves then? With snappy rhetoric and high ideals?

I’m no vigilante. I’m perfectly happy to let law enforcement do their job. I can be a great witness. But if my life, or the well being and lives of my family are at immediate stake, I can and will use a gun.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
1:59 pm

I think the real “goofball” is Curt. Buying beer on Sunday is right up there with all the inportant rights that we have. Good honest people don’t shoot people except in self defense. Where’d you come from Illinois. Why don’t you go back to that communist state.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
2:00 pm

It has been said time and again that law enforcement cannot protect you. All they can do is show up after the mess and clean it up.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
2:03 pm

As long as you are a law abider “armed black “thug” I think you have the right to carry. If you want to look like an idiot that’s your business.

luangtom

May 7th, 2010
2:03 pm

Does anyone think that Eric Holder knows what is going on in this country? I do not. Many other states already have the provisions of SB-291 in place in their state laws and there are no “terrorists” with guns storming their airports. This law does nothing more than other states already have. I guess one has to remember, Eric Holder was an under-attorney for Janet Reno during the last big run on “domestic terrorists”. Remember Waco? Holder had a part in that debacle. He makes us safe…….and we shall soon see the Democrats in action again. Ruby Ridge, Waco and Elian Gonazalez come to mind. What is next?

Dr. Phil

May 7th, 2010
2:04 pm

We should be concerned about protecting ourselves from rogue corporations like BP. They wreck the ecology of the Gulf of Mexico and charge us at the pump for their lazy attention to safety issues.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
2:05 pm

You’ve been watching too many movies Yosemite Sam. Do you believe everything that comes out of Hollywood?

luangtom

May 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

Oh, and Trizzle @ 1:40 PM, it is already legal to carry on MARTA……

Luke McCain

May 7th, 2010
2:06 pm

I carry my weapon with me on my horse when I go into town. I have had more shootouts than I know how to count. Put seven rounds into a townie just for callin me a sodbuster. Whenever the Marshal get into a tussle, Mica just gives me a shout and I’ll step in with superior Winchester firepower. It’s the American way dammit.

Cliff

May 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

Yeah, I think the government ought to limit how and when people can carry guns, and while they are at it, they should also limit their right to free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom from ….. There are ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights, you may be OK with letting the government take one or two away from you, I AM NOT.

MB

May 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

“I’m all for guns, and being able to carry with a permit in CERTAIN locations, but come on! The airport? Next it will be MARTA, then who knows…the capitol!”

Wake up !!! It is already legal to carry on MARTA. You haven’t noticed all the shoot-outs?

Civil Liberties

May 7th, 2010
2:23 pm

“…with liberty and justice for all.*”

*void where prohibited, not available in all states, some restrictions may apply

Armed Black "THUG"

May 7th, 2010
2:23 pm

@Icarry
So what exactly does a “killer” look like again? I wonder what Susan Smith dressed like…Scott Peterson was an “all american guy next door” dressing kinda dude if I recall. Wasn’t Bundy a well moussed cardigan and penny loafer wearing guy? What about Andrea Yates? Menendez brothers? You can’t get more “preppy” than that. Wonder if the man who shot up the Jewish museum in DC last year wore sagging pnats and a baseball cap?. Oh..my bad man. You just don’t know any better.

Old Dawg

May 7th, 2010
2:24 pm

Guns in airports and bars. Could any two pieces of legislation be more moronic? Add the Arizona decision and it’s obvious the lunatics are running the asylum. If this bill is signed I will no longer use the Atlanta airport for anything. I will no longer fly to Savannah or any other Georgia airport.

I am sure there are millions of other people are the country who feel the same way.

And, just to let the state of Arizona know, numerous conventions have been cancelled because of its law.

In other words, the only way to bring sanity back to the issue is to hit the pocket book.

James

May 7th, 2010
2:30 pm

Anti-Wooten – pointing a firearm at a person without legal cause is illegal, just being in possession of a firearm does NOT meet the legal criteria for pointing a gun at them. What you are advocating is widespread civil rights violations against people exercising their Constitutional rights. The Second Amendment was placed in the US Constitution for a reason, and it was passed by a supermajority of the citizens of the country. Until you can convince a supermajority to vote to repeal it, it IS an individual right and any government official who violates that right can face civil rights charges, and the agency they work for can be sued.

Heck, it used to be a legal requirement that you take your guns to church with you, in frontier times. Of course, most gun control laws are intended to keep the ‘wrong people’ from having guns, whether those wrong people were blacks, Hispanics, Irish, Chinese, Republicans, etc… Much easier to oppress people when they can’t fight back, Georgia’s “public gatherings” law was explicitly passed in reaction to blacks and Republicans resisting a lynch mob (seems they had the temerity to object to the white Democrats removing elected blacks from the legislature).

RGB

May 7th, 2010
2:34 pm

Eric Holder is worrisome.

And if Holder were worried about terrorists, he wouldn’t have secured pardons for the FALN terrorists some years ago.

As Michelle Malkin wrote: “Attorney general nominee Eric H. Holder Jr. repeatedly pushed some of his subordinates at the Clinton Justice Department to drop their opposition to a controversial 1999 grant of clemency to 16 members of two violent Puerto Rican nationalist organizations, according to interviews and documents…”

When it is politically convenient, Holder just loves terrorists.

Native American

May 7th, 2010
2:37 pm

40 STATES and NOT ONE incident…..hmmmm sounds like a no brainer to me…but the brainless still avoid the facts such as that.

Crowded areas don’t need armed citizens??? LMAO. I walk downtown atl, busy as it canm be, and I haven’t accidentally shot anyone.

Wow, what a bogus and cowardly group you anti-gunners are.

Leon

May 7th, 2010
2:40 pm

If someone want to do harm do you really think that they are worried about the law? This will allow honest people to carry guns where they want to so that they can protect themselves.

Tim Parker

May 7th, 2010
2:40 pm

A glimpse into the mind of a GFL holder: I’m married with 2 beautiful girls (9&7 years old), business owner, tax payer and voter. I’ve done what the state of Georgia says I must to obtain permission from them to carry a firearm in public (where legal) and purchased adequate hardware to be able to do it. I practice regularly (more than the minimum required for law enforcement officers) and also seek at least 40 hours a year of formal training.

I realize that my number 1 responsibility is to keep myself and my family safe and I was born with the right to be able to do that. I fully expect to die a very old man, content in the reflection that I never had to use a firearm in self defense; that I was vigilant enough to see trouble before it found me, or just lucky that neither I nor one of my loved ones were ever chosen to be a victim. But I know it’s possible that I may become a victim, or worse, my wife or a daughter. I cannot possibly know when nor where this may happen, so I’ve made the decision that I must be prepared at all times. I don’t ever ask myself “why do I need to carry my gun to xxx” – I carry everywhere unless I can answer “I can’t take my gun to xxx because________”. It goes where I go, period.

I’ve legally carried a firearm daily for the last 12 years or so. This includes restaurants that serve alcohol, transportation terminals, large crowds, family get-togethers, places of worship and airports (in states that don’t criminalize it) – basically right beside all you people that irrationally want to limit or prohibit completely where I can carry. We are not the ones to fear, as evidenced by the lower crime rates in areas that encourage lawful carry.

You’re going to have to refresh your arguments – “all these gun nuts are going to get drunk and shoot-up the airports” no longer garners the attention you want. Those cockamamie suppositions are driving people to our side!

Charlie Ball

May 7th, 2010
2:42 pm

Mr. Paine your comments are valid, but you assume that you should have the right to decide whether to use lethal force in very public spaces. Concealed weapons permits do not require any proof of proficiency handling a weapon. Qualifying for a CWP does not qualify you as a tactical weapons expert. It’s akin to claiming that possession of a Georgia Driver’s Handbook or drivers license automatically qualifies one as a skilled and conscientious driver. Hogwash. What happens when a “threatened” citizen opens fire in a public place and hits unintended targets due to inadequate training or judgement. Sure, some of the people packing are ex-military or off duty law enforcement, but a large number of gun toters are fat, paranoid cowards. The decision to use lethal force in a public space should be made by trained professionals, ahem–law enforcement. (And no, target shooting or hunting in controlled evironments do not qualify you as weapons experts. No more than shooting baskets in your driveway qualifies you to play in the NBA:)

cracker

May 7th, 2010
2:45 pm

this is obviously a “morons only” blog

cracker

May 7th, 2010
2:47 pm

armed black thug…..you dont even believe your own b.s.

Leon

May 7th, 2010
2:48 pm

Charlie, even professionals make mistakes.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
2:56 pm

Armed black bug, I mean Thug. I don’t even know what you are talking about. I said if you wanted to look like an Idiot it was your business. I didn’t say anything about killer.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
3:01 pm

Lance…LOL…”no excuses – Wake the hell up! It’s a constitutional right. This has been a right since the constitution was wrote and suddendly now, in 2010, liberals have a problem with it. That’s the damn problem with the U.S. today, we have so many whinners and every little damn thing is offensive or contested to be regulated. Get a life folks. It’s self defense. With all of the home invasions, robberies, car jackings and mugg’ings in todays society….Why would you not want to be able to protect yourself and your family???? Because you’re scared or you want to talk them out of it. Wake up America!!!”

Home invasions happen in your home, not in the airport.
Carjackings happen in your car, not in the airport.
I never been robbed or mugged at the airport, but I have been robbed at home and mugged at the club.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
3:06 pm

Well said Charlie Ball, kudos to you.

Moga

May 7th, 2010
3:08 pm

You should have to be trained before the state grants its citizens the right to fight back for their life? I don’t see the criminal underclass going to Gunsite, LFI, or Thunder Ranch and dropping several thousand dollars in training, time, travel expenses, etc. before they decide to ply their trade in large, public places. The “training” requirement is just another barrier to impede a person that wants to protect themselves from having access to a firearm for defensive purposes.

Many, many more responsible people are defenseless when confronted by the armed criminal then there are people that are shot innocently by armed lawful citizens while defending themselves. The former is on a completely separate order of magnitude than the latter. The first is a real concern. The other is a red herring argument by a person that favors more gun control, even if it does nothing to control the armed criminal.

I also believe that your opinion of the profile of the armed Georgian is heavily skewed and informed by stereotype. Having been to a number of Georgia 2A conventions, gun shows, and meet and greet type events in the metro area, I can confidently say that the profile of the armed Georgian is varied, but the LIONS SHARE of GFLs are issued in the greater metro ATL area to people that lie far, far outside of those that inform your impressions.

Charlie Ball

May 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

Very true LEON. And professional pilots crash airplanes so what is your point? In violent weather, would you rather be in the hands of a professional airline pilot or some A-hole with “flight time”?

Williebekind

May 7th, 2010
3:11 pm

Ok wussies! How about you give up the right to speak at the airport! If you have an individual right you have it. More crimes are committed by speech than by guns. Guns just finishes it. BUT I will give up my individual rights if you will give up your individual rights–NOT. So if you keep you mouth shut at the airport no-one will know I am carring.

Eric Holder is a joke. A progressive liberal who belongs in Greece.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
3:11 pm

Leon said: “If someone want to do harm do you really think that they are worried about the law? This will allow honest people to carry guns where they want to so that they can protect themselves.”

Im an honest law abiding citizen and I do not want to feel threaten by being in a room full of unskilled, untrained nutjobs toting guns.

jeremy frank

May 7th, 2010
3:12 pm

frankyou really think that criminals give a damn about ANY gun restriction laws? All they do is make it harder to defend yourself. a

Williebekind

May 7th, 2010
3:19 pm

Charlie Ball

May 7th, 2010
2:42 pm
Germany is the place for you. We rugged Americans think you are full of crap. You assertions are full of crap. I do not know of many who will oppose someone holding a firearm–except you maybe. If he is discharging the firearm then he feels his life is in danger. If he breaks the law then he should go to jail. I did not know you were an expert on who is paranoid or not. Of course if you are law enforcement, then of course for YOUR safety you want EVERYONE to be meek, mild, and unarmed. If you are afraid maybe you should choose another profession and let liberty ring.

sam adams

May 7th, 2010
3:20 pm

even cowboys in the “old west” couldn’t carry loaded weapons around when they entered a town, despite what one may have seen in movies…

curmudgeon

May 7th, 2010
3:21 pm

The time you need a weapon at the airport is when walking to and from the parking lot. You don’t necessarily need it when in the terminal, but how else would you have it with you on the walk? Check it at the door? And no, the cops can’t protect you; they can just arrest the mugger after he knifes you.

The law makes sense.

bisnono

May 7th, 2010
3:22 pm

Emack06 – So, let me get this straight: you own a gun, but somehow you STILL managed to get robbed at home AND mugged at a club? Huh, that’s funny, because from what everyone else is saying on this blog, gun ownership seems to be the ticket to protecting your crap at home and yourself when you’re out partying until 2 in the morning. And obviously it worked SO well for you.

Williebekind

May 7th, 2010
3:23 pm

sam adams

May 7th, 2010
3:20 pm
Yeah and Wyatt Earp was a criminal who was the sheriff. Ever read the real stoy of Wyatt?

Maureen

May 7th, 2010
3:24 pm

This is positively one of the most asinine bills — shame on Perdue AND the entire Georgia Legislature for this garbage!!! If Perdue signs off on this ridiculous bit of legislation, and when something happens where some moron shoots someone, then send Perdue the medical bills!!

Mark

May 7th, 2010
3:27 pm

The terminal Mr. Holder is referring to is no different from a bus terminal, a place which Mr. Holder has no apparent worries. The terminal Mr. Holder is referring to is no different from a boat dock or marina, places which Mr. Holder has no apparent worries.

There have been no problems in the other 40 states that currently allow law-abiding citizens to carry their guns in the unsecured areas of their airports. There have been no problems in Georgia’s other 110 airports that currently allow law-abiding citizens to carry their guns in the unsecured areas.

There is no crime data, either local or federal, that suggests allowing the law-abiding citizens to carry their legal firearms in the unsecured areas of an airport would increase crime in any way.

Eric Holder a political hack personally appointed by a single person for the purpose of advancing the agenda of that single individual. He does not speak for any Georgians.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
3:27 pm

Charlie Ball, it has been reported that 87% of all police cannot shoot. I don’t want them shooting in a crowded place. This old fat white guy has been shooing over 50 years of his life and can shoot.

Williebekind

May 7th, 2010
3:28 pm

The law does not protect you! It only punishes those who did you in–that is if that catch who did you in. I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Why difference does the place matter if you are a law abiding citizen? What difference does the law make when you are a criminal or the type of weapon you have. Liberals must disarm the public before they plan their riots.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
3:29 pm

Sam Adams has been watching too many movies also and believes what he see’s coming from Hollywood.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
3:39 pm

Regarding training: It doesn’t take more than 30 minutes to familiarize yourself with a Ruger GP100; and this includes zeroing the sight. It might take another 30 minutes to become proficient with it, a fair size maybe. I believe the law requires “imminent danger”; ie, someone threatening you or your property with harm. While i recognize the danger in a crowded public place, I discount the probability, unless your spouse has hired a dumb hit man, of a stranger attacking/robbing you in that very same very crowded public place. If it were to happen, and you did not receive assistance from your good samaritan neighbors (as recently happened in NY), then you would be well within your right to pull out your gun and subdue the assailant. Corrollary damage is possible – but this is a very tenuous, complex MAYBE. Also, if you did so in a reckless manner, you would be charged and likely jailed. Shooting a revolver efficiently & effectively is far less complex than changing the oil in your car.

Matt

May 7th, 2010
3:41 pm

I’m not necessarily opposed to this law except common sense provisions are needed. You shouldn’t be able to take your weapons into any establishmet that offers alcohol. We must think of the village idiotswho will eventually make a grave mistake. Not every gun owner is responsible. Guns at the Airport should be for law enforcement. We can’t just live in fear everyday of our lives.

The Media also needs ot calm down. They sensationalize everything. The day has put went peopler actually did solid reporting that wasn’t loaded with bias and BS.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
3:41 pm

I would recommend to the state of Georgia that a small “Gun Safety” pamphlet be given out, required to be read, and an affadavit that it was read, be a mandatory part of the carry process.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

emack is an elitest individual who willingly lets you know that he has a low opinion of his fellow Americans; once that philosophy is known, his assertions of how his fellow American should think, act and be controlled by laws that make him happy and tamp down his paranoia, while serving the public at large nil, are much more relatable.

Icarry

May 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

You make some excellent points Paddy O.

Evan

May 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

Why are we quoting a NJ senator on a GA state issue? Sen. Lautenberg should also be reminded that none of the planes on 9/11 came from GA, though one did come from NJ, so maybe he should mind his own business before criticizing others. There is a reason he was elected there and not here.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
3:47 pm

Maureen – you feminist liberal. NO, Perdue would not get the medical bill – the morons who were actually involved in the incident would be held responsible. Comprende?

Bob

May 7th, 2010
3:49 pm

How come there isn’t any laws to outlaw guns for crimminals? It’s always laws for people who DON’T rob banks, DON’T do drive by shootings, DON’T do car jackings, DON’T murder people….etc. Since crimminals can carry guns anywhere, there isn’t any laws that stop them from carrying guns..

Charlie Ball

May 7th, 2010
3:58 pm

Again, Icarry, if you shot baskets everyday at the park i’m sure you would be able to “shoot” a basketball. Doesn’t prove a damn thing about being able to play basketball under pressure in a game situation.

Same for shooting a gun on a range or hunting. You could be the best target shot there is, doesn’t necessarily mean you’re effective in a live firefight. I’m recently ex-military and we had plenty of gun range heroes in my unit that nutted up when whe sh– hit the fan. Funny, because most of em were down home, southern fried, wannabe tough guys that had been “shootin since the age of (fill in the blank)”. Cowards.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
4:04 pm

Scenario, two idiots at the airport get into an argument over a coffee spill. They both are carring a weapon concealed (or unconcealed). Each start to “feel threaten” by the other. Each pull their gun *STOP* whos right, whos wrong. In an instant, someone could lose their life over something ridiculous.

bloodbike

May 7th, 2010
4:06 pm

Why is everyone upset over citizens who follow th elaw carrying weapons to protect themselves and others? Damn shame. I’ve been a card carrying conceled weapons holder for the last 4 years. Never felt safer in my life. Never have I had to fire on anyone, never want to either, but if I had to I feel good about having the ability to protect myself and my family while outside my home.

Din

May 7th, 2010
4:16 pm

It is simple!! If you don’t like how Georgian’s run Georgia just move!!

emack06

May 7th, 2010
4:19 pm

@ Paddy O…LOL…wow…are you smoking crack? That’s so 80s.

“emack is an elitest individual who willingly lets you know that he has a low opinion of his fellow Americans; once that philosophy is known, his assertions of how his fellow American should think, act and be controlled by laws that make him happy and tamp down his paranoia, while serving the public at large nil, are much more relatable.”

Im in no way “Elitist”. There you go making false assertions. If you are a christian, then you know you just sinned by bearing false witness. I forgive you though. Im christian.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
4:21 pm

Paddy O, I dont want tha state govbment telling me what to read. They just trying to control our lives.

emack06

May 7th, 2010
4:33 pm

@ bisnon
owning a gun has nothing to do with weither or not someone will rob me or mug me. If its going to happen, its going to happen. I do not own a gun, but in those situations would have liked to have one? yes and no. Yes to defend myself, no to provoke a bad situation into something worse. But each place were not some crowed secure location with thousands of people floating around like at an airport. The club situation was not in the club but walking from the club to my car. Again, Im not agaist gun ownership. Im against foolish policies like this bill.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
4:51 pm

Charlie has just shown that his genuine thoughts are a ban on the ability to carry a weapon, and he has a distinct anti-Southern agenda. Charlie – please tell us your branch, rank & mos, so we can judge for ourselves the credibility of your assertions.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
5:05 pm

emack: Your comments clearly demonstrate an elitest, ivory tower attitude with a distinct disdain for your fellow American citizens – review your comments, and let the truth set you free. I reject the assertion of false witness – it is based upon your very own statements. It is likely to be a “hasty generalization”, due to the minimal interaction I have had with you. However, when you state that people coming from Trenton would not know what threats might exist in Atlanta (and thus should have no desire to tote a pistol), i suggest you watch the news – murder, robbery, smash & grabs in broad day light. Of the 622 murders in GA, 144 were in Fulton, 113 in Dekalb & 31 in Clayton. A lot of murders in a small geographic area. With this evidence in hand, it is reasonable to surmise the wisdom of carrying a weapon if you are going to Hartfield.

Thinking

May 7th, 2010
5:08 pm

Carrying a loaded firearm into Hartsfield Airport nonsecured areas can sound “worriesome” according to the USA General Attorney. I do beleive that we should have the right to protect ourselves at all times regardless of where we are. As most law abiding licensed gun owners know, police of any jurisdiction does not and can not protect and keep citizens safe when harm is knocking at your door. My only concern is law abiding licensed gun owners not trained to use a firearm properly in certain situations. I think the State of Georgia should require mandatory firearm training classes prior to issuing a license to carry. You can drive an automobile without first obtainin a permit, then passing a test to obtain a license.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
5:18 pm

Not sure about mandatory training, but you could require a demonstration of proficiency at a police firing range, plus the “gun safety” pamphlet I mentioned before. If you fail the proficiency test, then training would be in order. Believe me, it is not a challenge to accurately discharge even a snub nose revolver.

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
5:20 pm

One caveat: YOu would need to fire the revolver as single action. Semi-autos I don’t know enough about to make the previous statement about, however.

AM

May 7th, 2010
5:30 pm

Honestly, this bill doesn’t worry me.
If someone wants to do harm, having a law prohibiting the presence of loaded weapons isn’t going to stop them…..as far as I know, laws against breaking and entering haven’t stopped robbers. So, if someone wants to have a gun, they’ll have one law or not. If the bad guys are going to have guns, I’d like to know there’s some good guys with guns too. Just sayin’….

Din

May 7th, 2010
5:34 pm

Man!!! If something every does go down. I hope I dont die trying to save one of these anti’s on here. Just sayin’!!!!!!!!!!

Thinking

May 7th, 2010
5:38 pm

Hey Paddy O, I agree with your comments. However, I was thinking more in line with different scenarios, you know, tactical. We do agree that it’s not hard to point/pull a trigger. But when trained to understand various tactical situations will make a license gun owner better prepared to handle various situations versus a licensed gun owner who just purchase a firearm, no training, and thinks this is it. I truly believe that this individual as describe would be a danger to others. What are your thoughts?

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
6:11 pm

I was surprised when I received my carry license that there was absolutely no training/introduction. But if you are life long college educated Georgian, you know that much of the state demands this – it is very caveat emptor. Also, Georgians believe you are utterly responsible and free to conduct yourself as you feel fit, although if you screw up, you will be harshly punished. It seems that the state law anticipates your own “self motivated interest”, in addition to the long history of parents teaching their kids how to shoot. IE, the Golden Dome crew believes that no one would be stupid enough to obtain a legal permit, unless they were well versed in handling a gun. While the tactical training would be useful, I do not think you can teach someone to think and act responsibly & cooly if their life is threatend, genuinely threatened (car jack, mugging) and they actually have a fire arm on their person. It is almost impossible to train that type of reaction – thus, there is leeway I believe from a juror if you were in this position, shot the assailant, and also wounded our killed a passerby during the altercation. Also, you would have to contemplate cost – the state won’t pay, and it would not be fair to charge a carry applicant even a $100 for the training – as it would impact the poor the heaviest. It might be possible to recieve training from a local police dept. Ultimately, I would say no. But I do fervently believe that at a minimum, a gun safety pamphlet should be included in the process (muzzle up, don’t point at another person, verify it is unloaded before cleaning, proper storage, gun trigger locks available from local police dept, etc). As I said before, if a novice gun user buys a semi-auto, fails to obtain training, he could possibly be a danger to himself, the family and the general public. Most revolvers don’t have that type of hazard, at least new Rugers do not. Personally, I have never been shot at. I have been around hundreds of guns going off simultaneously, and you get accustomed to it so it does not startle you and throw off your concentration. I am also fairly confident that, within 50′, I could hit what I was aiming at 90% of the time, and miss by less than 6″ 100% of the time. I could never shoot another human who was not threatening me or my dogs, though.

James

May 7th, 2010
6:17 pm

Since conservatives believe that the Constitution isn’t a “living” document, but needs to be interpreted EXACTLY as the founding fathers envisioned at that time, then every American should be able to carry a single-shot musket, and that’s ALL that’s allowed. Otherwise you should have a problem with citizens not being able to own rocket-launchers, tanks, and bazookas… they are arms after all!

And none of you right-wingers when quoting the 2nd Amendment here have mentioned the wording of half the text – “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,” – why do you think that was included in the text if it wasn’t a CRUCIAL part of the meaning? I don’t think Billy Bob and Bubba carrying a handgun anywhere they want has anything at all to do with a well-regulated militia!

Paddy O

May 7th, 2010
6:27 pm

James – the Bill of Rights was what? Spelled out the CITIZENS rights regarding tyranny from the government yes? Therefore, “the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed”. You are also assuming that the militia is formed by an organized government entity, are you not? That may not be the case.

Anon

May 7th, 2010
6:38 pm

First the roadkill bill, and now this. Did every single legislator in this state go insane and forget what their priorities are?

James

May 7th, 2010
6:50 pm

Paddy O… You think maybe the closest we can get to what the founding fathers considered to be a well-regulated militia might be their own writings?

Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers #29:

“If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security….A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it.”

Bob

May 7th, 2010
6:57 pm

Eric Holder has his hear up Obama’s Butt

lynn

May 7th, 2010
6:57 pm

It sounds like a way to kill off even more people. We already have bad drivers, now you want them to walk around with firearm. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to no this is a bad idea. Peoples personality changes with a firearm on their person. Someone that would normally mind their own busness, give them a beer, car a gun, wow, you have a driving killer.
We need a change, in the intire federal, state, city and governors heads.

Bob

May 7th, 2010
7:08 pm

God, what morons post on here !!

Native American

May 7th, 2010
8:03 pm

Question fpr those against the bill…

In England, handguns are NOT permitted at all except at a gun, and it must be locked up in a persnal locker.

Now, with that being said, the police there patroling also are not permitted to carry, except an elite force.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF COPS HAVING GUNS ON THEIR HIPS AT THE AIRPORT/ELSEWHERE???

WHAT IS A CITIZEN’S ARREST?

SHOULD US COPS BE GUNFREE LIKE THE BRITISH COPS?

WOULD YOU FEEL SAFE IF US COPS DIDNT PATROL WITH GUNS???

IF CRIMINALS OUT NUMBERED COPS (before calling in for backup) AT A PARTICULAR SCENE, AND YOUR LIFE WAS THREATENED, WOULD YOU WANT AN ARMED CITIZEN AROUND YOU OR A BUNCH OF PANSIES???

IN TIMES OF CIVIL UNREST, DO YOU REALLY THINK COPS WILL PROTECT EVERYONE???

EVER BEEN ROBBED AT GUN POINT??

EVER WITNESSES THE L.A. RIOTS?? NEW YORK CITY BLACKOUT??

These questions are made for a particular point… Maybe you will get the point when its too late.

Oh yes, one more…

If cops are so what we solely need at airports, time square, etc etc…WHY DOES EACH STATE HAVE A NATIONAL GUARD IF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS SUFFICE??????

Think about it.

MrZip

May 7th, 2010
8:09 pm

you are right bob,no dought about it,but you know its to late for them to try anything stupid,too many armed folks in the us now,all that happens now is folks running off at the mouth which know nothing about the real life outside of washington

Native American

May 7th, 2010
8:13 pm

I meant except at a gun range, not “at a gun”.

Joel Dockery

May 7th, 2010
8:15 pm

I really don’t see how this is any of his damn business. Maybe he should actually spend his time doing his job.

Joel Dockery

May 7th, 2010
8:22 pm

Exactly which hospital and/or cemetery is filled with people shot by firearms license holders? The only people authorized to carry handguns who regularly shoot innocent people are police officers.

Native American

May 7th, 2010
8:22 pm

Fact:

By Jonathan Hamilton and David BurchMarietta Daily Journal Staff Writershttp://www.mdjonline.com/StoryDetail.cfm?id=10017128&Section=Home%20Page3-14-1 KENNESAW, Ga – Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house. In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition. The ordinance states the gun law is needed to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants.” Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone “went crazy.” “People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes,” he said. “Of course, that wasn’t the case.” In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge. Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law’s passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide. “It did drop after it was passed,” he said. “After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years.” ​

Buddy El

May 7th, 2010
9:56 pm

I’m thinking JOHN DOE is a 3rd grade dropout and has no idea what his pitiful babbling really says. He/she/it needs a thorough ENGLISH and GRAMMER course now. I’m wondering who is reading this stuff for him.

Buddy El

May 7th, 2010
10:01 pm

Native American: Yours is the best argument but as you can see most of the anti-Right to Carry crowd(Thankfully a small crowd) are not going to admit that they know very little about what is really going on in this country.

Dljames

May 7th, 2010
11:13 pm

Since it’s illegal to carry a gun strapped to your side

NBR2: It is legal to open carry in georgia. I do it every day. I see police officers all the time, and except for a few times, nothing is said. One officer was going to arrest me, but when I suggested he call his supervisor to avoid a lawsuit, he changed his mind.

Liberals: your argument that police are abundant at the airport to protect me is a bad argument. I’m an x police officer, and I was a firearm instructor for our department. Police have a lot of training, but they are not all sharp shooters, and I don,t think they can respond quicker than what it takes for a speeding bullet to reach it’s target. I’m sorry, but I will never choose to rely on someone else for my personal protection. Unfortunatly, law forces me to; when I cannot carry in certain places.

Din

May 7th, 2010
11:39 pm

Show use the proof anti’s. Where licensed law abiding people are doing this mass killing and showing misuse of a firearm in public. BLA BLA all you want. If you don’t like gun’s that is your choice and I respect that. So respect my choice also. I do not need no one’s permission to protect my family. Law Enforcement has no duty to protect you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just ask one.

Native American

May 8th, 2010
11:12 am

EL:
Thanks…nice to have Beys and Els in here :-)

I see not one anti-gunner has accepted my questions. NOT ONE PERSON…and in a court of law, SILENCE IS ADMITTANCE OF GUILT.

StolenWeapon

May 9th, 2010
8:58 am

,…………………….ahhh, poor Eric Holder.

StolenWeapon.com Team

http://www.stolenweapon.com/watch?v=70

SickandTired

May 9th, 2010
10:01 am

How refreshing. This bunch of responses must warm the hearts of many Georgians. In fact it resembles a Fox News celebration. I grew up in Georgia I am amazed at how ignorant, and downright stupid most of my fellow Georgians are. The only state I can think of with more idiots is South Carolina and that’s setting the bar pretty high.

Paddy O

May 9th, 2010
2:57 pm

Sickand tired: What rationale basis did you use for judging your fellow citizens? In every culture on earth, there has been the poor and those who are not scientists. Also, every state in the nation, including those precious liberal bastions NY, NJ, MA & CA have rednecks. The primary difference is those states repress and oppress those people so it appears from the elite mass media that those states only have college educated professionals residing there. What is produces by a society of elite educated individuals is profound arrogance, which lead to laws to protect people from the vagaries and maybe dangers of everyday life. It is also called paternalism and now, “the nanny state”. Guess what? To operate a nanny state, formulated by the educated elite, requires highly paid professional bureaucrats. This in turn requires exceptionally high property tax, and an exceptionally high cost of living. Which return very, very little to the taxpayer on a daily basis – except the sensation of pollyanna happiness and self satisfaction. Your ignorant and stupid Georgians know that most of this government regulation and control provides miniscule public benefit, and simply gives the arrogant the tools to implement their petty anti regulations, providing the upper middle class with something to manage. Therefore, the vast majority of us want as less regulation, and property tax or income tax as possible. Georgia’s taxes are low, in the rural areas regulations have a low burden (look at Cobb County with its myriad of regulations – how did two decades of heavy regulations work in the event of last years massive flood?). The rural Georgians actually fulfill the American character – rugged individualism and independence – with assistance when needed coming from a large extended family living in close proximity. The real question is: Who are the actual ignorant?

Michael

May 10th, 2010
8:34 am

I rarely go to the airport. Shoot it up all you want.

[...] From U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s testimony before a May 7 congressional committee during which Shafer’s bill was [...]

Jimmy

May 10th, 2010
1:27 pm

A.G. Holder swore an oath : ‘I ERIC HOLDER, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So
help me God.’ U.S. Const. (December 15, 1791) amend. 1-10 Amendment II
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The “bill of Rights”, including the Second Amendment, is an affirmation of the GOD GIVEN RIGHTS possessed by ALL Citizens, not privileges granted by the government. “A well regulated militia” refers to INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS, not the National Guard or any other government group. “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” A.G. Eric Holder is a LIAR and he has violated his oath of office, he needs to be prosecuted and removed from office. The VAST MAJORITY of U.S. Citizens are VERY tired of having their God given rights trampled underfoot by government officials who know better than to do so. If the problems continue, you can expect an all-out Citizen revolution in the very near future.

[...] to this link to read an article about Georgia’s new gun [...]

Din

May 10th, 2010
8:20 pm

Way to go Jimmy!!! Could have not said it better myself!!!

Josephine

May 12th, 2010
4:56 pm

Does John Doe speak like he writes? It amazes me how many people assume that this law gives just anyone the right to carry. It only allows those who are properly licensed. Those who are licensed are carefully screened and fingerprinted before issuance of a firearms license. These are not the people that you have to worry about. However, these are the people that criminals should definitely fear.

John Babitskas

May 12th, 2010
8:55 pm

The argument that police officers need gun vigilantes to help them makes sense to me. Reading the responses above it appears that most readers think we are wasting our time and money training police . I bet that if yopu offered a free AK 47 to any and all Georgians in return for policing the streets we would get more than enough to satisfy our needs. Hoo Raa.

Sandra Greenman

May 13th, 2010
9:55 pm

I don’t see anything “worrisome” about this. If some al-Qaida terriorist or any other terriorist comes in wherever I am, I know that I can shoot back to defend myself, my family, and whoever else happens to be with me. I’m sure if the Virgiania Tech students had guns to shoot back, some of them (if not all) would still be alive. If the attacker knows he came be shot, he might think twice before trying to kill people–unless he’s suicidial which most of them are. I wouldn’t hestitate to kill them. You don’t always need a gun to kill people. I stomped a mouse to death to keep it from getting into my laundry room. I don’t think there is anybody who hasn’t killed flies, spiders, and other insects. They are God’s creatures too. Of course, people need to know how to use the weapon. There are plenty of places where they can learn. So, people, don’t just stand there, PROTECT yourself from those evil terrorist and maniacs.

Sandra Greenman

May 13th, 2010
10:01 pm

Good job, Jimmy. The right to bear arms was to protect the people from the politicians. England was ruled by the king and the citizens didn’t have protection from him and his army.

Partrioticamer

May 13th, 2010
10:22 pm

The government is trying to take away our rights. They are trying to destroy the constitution. With the ACLU and ACORN supporting them. I want the A taken out of ACLU. They advised prisioners to sue the US Government for their imprisionment. How about that? Crimnials suing for going to jail because they commented a crime and got away with it! The founder of ACLU actually said that was his purpose when he started it. Our politicians appear to be ignorant of US History. Are they all absent when the American Revolution is covered in class? I know they are still teaching it in Cobb County. When their mother and I took my nieces and nephew to DC they couldln’t wait to see the constitition. They wanted to buy their very own copy. Now why would the representives we voted for want to destroy our rights? Why do people keep re-electing them? Why are those cowards so afraid of people carrying guns? The pioneers had them. Well, we may not have to protect ourselves from American Indians any longer but we have something much worse. Terrorists! Why did everybody forget about 9/11 so quickly? Don’t they believe that we could/might be invaded in our own land again? And if they do, maybe they’ll come on foot. Are you cowards going to sit around doing nothing while they slit your throat, torrure you, or just shoot you without asking questions? Will you be brave enough to defend your family? Kennesaw’s gun law has been in effect for over 25 years and they have survived wlthout killing any innocent people. And the criminals know they are armed.

Partrioticamer

May 13th, 2010
10:29 pm

What will you do when you come home from work early one day and find your home being burgerized? I’ll tell you what my son did. He died. He had no protection. They shot him and left him to bleed to death in the bathtub. Now, if he had had a gun, he would still be alive today. Thank you politicians for not passing the law 30 years ago. Thanks to you, my son is dead and we had only one child. Alll you people out there who are against guns, put yourself in my place. How would you feel to get a phone call on your answering machine telling you your entire family had been killed by home invaders?

Fire Eater

May 15th, 2010
7:30 am

People need to be able to carry thug control equipment in the vicinity of the airport because it is located in the local “Zimbabwe”…Atlanta’s funky southside. Contrary to the PC scenario depicted by the AJC, WSB and Hollywood, most violent, predatory crime is NOT the work of angry straight White males lashing out at the wonderful world of diversity and pluralism made incarnate by the noble efforts of Obama, ADL and SPLC.

Few toothless hillbillies among the day’s harvest of dreadlocks, gold teeth, stupid names and ghetto smirks flashing over the lovely shoulder of the blonde newshen on the six o’clock news.

Folks like Lautenberg, Schumer and Feinstein really have a problem with an armed mainstream America.

Susan

May 19th, 2010
6:12 am

Eric Holder needs to worry about how the underwear bomber and shoe bomber got through security, not about a registered gun owner who carries a gun for protection. He is a waste of Government money, the same guy who says we may still try the guys in NY who were at Guantanamo. Sure bring the terrorist into the U.S. and endanger the lives of our citizens and tie up our overburdened courts for years. That’s ok I would rather have someone with a registered gun just in case I need them. It’s not the regular American citizen killing people on the streets, it’s the thugs who have and will always have illegal weapons. Thank you to the men and women who still have the guts to fight for our rights.

Robert

July 27th, 2010
3:51 pm

Who would bring a loaded gun to a airport or other public place (Walmart, Starbucks, etc.)? We all have a constitutional right to protect ourselfs from these idiots. If I see someone carrying a loaded gun in a public place I will ask them why they felt like bringing a gun to a public place risking my safety? Because they are “cowards” who want to be hero’s. It’s time to dis-arm these gun carrying idiots. A gun makes you a bigger fool than you are. The criminals will take your gun from you.

Robert

July 27th, 2010
3:58 pm

“People need to be able to carry thug control equipment in the vicinity of the airport because it is located in the local “Zimbabwe”…Atlanta’s funky southside”.

What do you call Alpharetta or Roswell? ……Atlanta’s Klu Klux Klan northside………. It’s people like you who do not need a gun permit. I will definitely DIS-ARM YOU. You are a threat to all civilized people regardless of race. COWARD.