Poor stripped of low-income tax credit refund after all

By Ernie Suggs and Nancy Badertscher

In one of the last votes of the 2010 General Assembly session late Thursday, lawmakers eliminated a low-income tax credit for the poor.

Republicans argued that this would only affect people who pay no income taxes. “If you don’t pay taxes, why should you be getting a refund back?” asked Rep. James Mills (R-Gainesville).

Democrats argued that the low income tax credit was put in place in 1988 when the state sales — paid by all Georgians, regardless of income — was raised by one cent. “If we take this away without full debate, we would be hurting the poorest of the poor,” said Rep. DuBose Porter (D-Dublin), a candidate for governor.

The bill passed the House 97 to 62.

Earlier in the evening, it looked like the low-income credit might survive. The Senate scrapped a bill that maintained the refundable portion of the low-income tax credit for people who earn less than $20,000 annually.  But less than two hours later,  Republicans tacked on an amendment to another bill that would kill the refund.

The bottom line now is that low-earning Georgians, many of whom are seniors, will no longer get a tax credit refund. The Senate voted 40-9 to approved HB 1069.

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The Cynical White Boy

April 29th, 2010
11:04 pm

Your screaming headline currently reads “Poor stripped of low-income tax credit after all”.

Your headline COULD EASILY (and more honestly) HAVE READ: “Middle class taxpayers relieved of at least one bailout on state level”.

But then, your editorial board could not stomach such honesty, could they now?

frankmann

April 29th, 2010
11:24 pm

@THE CYNICAL WHITE BOY, WTF is your point? Your so-called middle class ass has been poorer over the past 20 yrs. because the politicians you elected sold your asses down the drain and you are just now beginning to realize it. You sound like you prefer keep listening to the Bortz/Limbaugh BS than to wake up, read, and think for yourself. Sweet dreams while the sane world puts the dirt on your grave.

Keith

April 30th, 2010
12:06 am

No refundable tax credits for anyone who doesn’t have any tax liability. Refundable means welfare!

LawWatcher

April 30th, 2010
12:19 am

Ernie Suggs and Nancy Badertscher should be ASHAMED of themselves for calling themselves journalists who are supposed to report FACTS. This story is intellectually dishonest at best. I just sat here and WATCHED the house debate on this bill. I heard every word that was said and READ the bill.

The bill does NOT eliminate the tax credit. It still very much exists. The only thing that was eliminated is the REFUNDABLE status of it, which simply means that if your exemptions, deductions, tax credits, etc. have reduced your taxable income to the point where you have ZERO tax liability whatsoever, you can’t go below zero.

i.e. – you can’t be completely free of any taxation, then on top of that, say that the state of Georgia has an obligation to PAY YOU/give you a handout “just because”.

The writers also conveniently left out an important part of the debate where it was pointed out that the lower sales tax rate for food that was passed a few years ago was passed for the specific purpose of granting tax relief that would truly help the poorest of the poor (and everybody else) also. That serves the purpose without creating a handout from the state of Georgia.

Ernie Suggs and Nancy Badertscher should retract this story or issue a correction with FACTS.

David

April 30th, 2010
12:32 am

LawWatcher, you make a reasonable point; unlike the CWB. What I don’t understand is why middle class folks can’t seem to understand that we are really the ones getting the short end of the stick. The thing is I’m old enough to remember when $20,000 wasn’t poor and I’m not that old. Next thing you know, they’ll be taking a tax break from the “poor” folks making $50,000 a year.

Scott

April 30th, 2010
12:45 am

@lawwatcher

You might have watched the whole thing but you dont even know what the tax credit was for. Its not an income tax. It was meant as relief from a raised SALES TAX that hit the poor disproportionally hard.
Once again…
adjust the facts to make em work for what you want to believe…no shortage of that in Georgia

LawWatcher

April 30th, 2010
1:22 am

Yes, the sales tax (in 1988) was raised by one penny. So here we are, 22 years later, (in a severe budget situation due to the economy with cuts in programs left and right), but that one penny is a sacred cow that may not be touched? We just ignore that since then a special sales tax rate has been created for food etc. that is significantly lower than what used to be paid on everything?

But back to my original point….which is that the writers of the article are shady on what happened and not being intellectually honest in their reporting. Just bothers me when I want to trust that I’m being told the full and complete story by my local newspaper and see that’s not the case.

LawWatcher

April 30th, 2010
1:37 am

David, I appreciate your point as well. I just went through a divorce and am truly poor for the first time in a long time. I have no problem with a true tax “break” as you mention. I’ll certainly take any I can get.

It’s when it crosses from a break, which reduces your tax liability, to a handout after that “break” and other “breaks” have already taken your liability down to nothing. That’s welfare. We have programs for that. It shouldn’t creep into the tax code which then makes it the political football that it is in this story. The “break” remains in tact. The potential to be a handout was eliminated.

Scott

April 30th, 2010
1:59 am

I guess this would be easier to digest if not in the same session a huge tax break was given to wealthy seniors in a move that was nothing short of pandering. You can say its only $30 or so that the poor are losing, but for some of these people its a decision to not eat so they can feed their children, or worse, none of them eat. Its easy to sit and type on your keyboard and blast the “good for nothing” poor, but I’m not going to support a legislature that takes food out of a child’s mouth while its giving vacation condo money to some retired CEO who comes to GA. Big picture people…take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror

taxpayer

April 30th, 2010
2:15 am

I agree that the state doesn’t need to be giving tax credits. The Federal government does enough of that. Scott, it sounds good to talk about this bill leaving people with hungry children, but low-income people with kids get WIC vouchers and food stamps and therefore often have fuller carts at the grocery store than those of us who have to stretch our middle-class salaries to cover taxes and food.

john

April 30th, 2010
5:12 am

It is about time our lawmakers begin to realize we (taxpayers) are not responsible for the poor choices others’ make.HInt: stay in school and put off having children until you can afford to have them and care for them.

Hates Republicans

April 30th, 2010
5:59 am

Some people are NOT poor because of bad choices. They bust their butts for years for their employers, making money for them, but have no retirement, etc. other than Social Security. And make no mistake, if you have a successful business of any kind it is because of loyal dedicated employees busting their butts for you. Don’t look down your noses at those less fortunate.

re: Scott

April 30th, 2010
7:02 am

If you make 20,000 or less I know you could qualify for WIC and food stamps and there are community and church food banks and there is free lunch and breakfast at school. So don’t act like there aren’t programs out there for people to be able to feed there kids.

Whatever

April 30th, 2010
7:03 am

Everyone who is complaining about NOT offering another refund to the people that don’t pay any taxes needs to be quiet. Taxpayer is correct those people who make $20,000 and have children receive WIC and a peach card. They have full carts at the grocery store and money left over to sell to others for their additional habits. I don’t know why anyone hates republicans because both parties are acting like a bunch of idiots at this point.

Please don’t blame a business owner for a person’s poor choices. I have a family full of people who made poor choices and I get an additional tax bill every year for their foolishness. It is kind of hard to LOOK DOWN MY NOSE AT MY OWN FAMILY MEMBERS. However, I don’t appreicate having to pay for them year after year either.

andyk

April 30th, 2010
7:28 am

Easy for pols to kick people when they’re down…after all, these folks arent likely to vote….who cares if elderly folks lose their homes while the rich get tax break after tax break

the real atrocity here is the people voting this way call themselves “Christian”

David

April 30th, 2010
7:56 am

Refundable tax credits = welfare

Georgia-

April 30th, 2010
8:05 am

frankmann-it appears the truth really rubs you the wrong way- go see a Dr.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
8:13 am

Scott – if you think the children of this state aren’t getting enough food with the 2 school meals a day + welfare + food stamps + earned income tax credits + whatever else I’m forgetting, then just look around. You see articles everyday about the obesity epidemic, especially amongst the poorer people.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
8:14 am

Refundable tax credits = welfare

exactly, call it what it is and maybe more people would support it or at least halfway tolerate it.

WOW...

April 30th, 2010
8:15 am

I usually only read the opinions that come along with these articles, but to read some of this it is just revolting. Poor does NOT equal lazy and NOT equal poor choices. There are some poor people more deserving of others who abuse the welfare system, that can’t even get anything. I have an elderly aunt who worked hard all her life, retired after 50 years and now gets social security…it is NOT worth anything. She applied for assistance, well deserving after working hard for so many years, to help her with her food. They didn’t deny her, they just only gave her $10 a month. Not everyone who is in a “poor” situation, has numerous kids, wic, or a peach card. The generalization on this blog is awful.

@andyk – thanks for reminding me why i choose to call myself a believer instead of christian.

While we as middle class think it is a break for us – I agree with David – we are the ones that are going to be considered the poor.

CN

April 30th, 2010
8:24 am

I am very glad to see the legislature do the right thing on this. When my kids were younger, we would have qualified for every welfare program in existence. We cut way back on what we bought, scrimped, and saved….I made it work, because I didn’t think it was right to ask others to pay for our lifestyle choice (not that we were lazy, we just preferred to live on one income so I could be home with my children.) It used to make me really angry when I would get in line behind a person with WIC vouchers for the most expensive formula on the market and a cart full of junk when I was being frugal to feed my child. Now that times have improved for us to the point that we are paying a lot more in taxes, it irks me even more. I know it is possible to survive and even eventually thrive when you make the decision to work hard and make your own way. I once heard a woman talking very loudly on her cell phone in a local store saying she and her husband had dropped their employer based health insurance to get on Peach Care because it was cheaper. Again, the entire time we were considered near the bottom of income levels, we paid for our insurance, though we would have qualified for assistance.

It is time people start to realize that making these “safety nets” so big has really caused a large number of people to feel like they are owed something from the rest of us. I am extremely glad that we struggled and made it through, because now I know that it is possible for anyone to do so, if they want it badly enough. It isn’t my problem if someone has no drive or determination to move on from poverty. If we would tell people that you are what you want to be, they might have the motivation to try to change their circumstances instead of sitting around complaining about it.

tired of it

April 30th, 2010
8:28 am

Seriously, our poorest poor are still rich compared to the world’s poor. They can have food, shelter, gas, heat, lights, a cell phone and now more medical care.
STOP THE DRAMA!!!
Write something about the average working class normal American who is paying for all of this gov’t. mess.

littlejerry

April 30th, 2010
8:31 am

Relief from a 1 cent sales tax from 22 years ago? Are you kidding me? Since then we have removed the sales tax on food and instituted the seasonal tax holiday during back-to-school season.

This is marginally decreasing a transfer of wealth.

Tommy C

April 30th, 2010
8:40 am

I have a college degree and 20 years employment history as a professional, I owned my own house in East Atlanta for 15 years, but when I lost my job after 10 years as I.T. Manager for a national non-profit here due to reduced donations, it took over 18 months to find a new job. And what a job.
I’m now “part-time”, 5 days & 36 hours a week, working overnights at Kroger. Making a little over minimum wage, and **AFTER TAXES** taking home on average $210/week. I applied for food stamps; I got $12/month. That’s all the “state” aid I qualify for.
But I pay the same damned sales tax you do, the only difference is you can travel out of state to make purchases and avoid paying it if you want to or have a large purchase to make; I can’t afford to drive outside the perimeter much less out of state.
The credit was not taking “your” income tax money and giving it to the poor, you self-righteous “middle class” twit, it was refunding a small (SMALL) portion of what the working poor paid the state in the increased sales tax. They paid it to the state, and a pittance was returned them.
And you know what? I could have really used that money- to replace my broken glasses, or maybe go to a dentist to deal with this abscess I’ve had for 8 months, or to buy a pair of new shoes, or even to eat something besides cereal and ramen noodles… but you got it. Good for you.

Morrus

April 30th, 2010
8:41 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over

JJ

April 30th, 2010
8:46 am

The truly poor do deserve our help, but…. How many of them have cell phones, internet, flat screen tv’s and a decent car. My wife is a teacher and virtually every kid on free and reduced meals has an ipod and a cell phone. The $30 dollars a year mentioned in an earlier post is somehow easily afforded for their monthly cell phone bill. What about tax credits for health care for families making up to $85K, are they poor. Somehow the government has convinced everyone that if they aren’t making a million dollars they are poor and need the governments help. Paraphrasing from Margaret Thatcher “socialism is wonderful until you run out of other peoples money”

ATL Guy

April 30th, 2010
8:46 am

We give more welfare to corporate businesses than to individuals however it’s easier to demonize the poor.

Corey

April 30th, 2010
8:59 am

In a southern theocracy we gleefully transfer more and more public wealth to the wealthy while deriding the poor. People who cast ballots for the likes of politicians of this philosophy are enablers of pure evil; the same people who sit in the pews on Sunday with their boastful, Christian chests poked out while stroking their Bibles. God help us.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
9:01 am

Corporate welfare….companies produce something what do “takers” produce, either for themselves of for society?

Stephen Smith

April 30th, 2010
9:05 am

Let’s make sure we understand what’s happening here and who is doing it: The Republicans gave a tax break for WEALTHY seniors and took one away from LOW INCOME seniors. This is clear evidence who they consider important and most importantly, who they consider unimportant.

Corey

April 30th, 2010
9:18 am

In a southern theocracy we gleefully transfer more public wealth to the wealthy while deriding the poor. We conveniently forget a few generations ago most of us Georgians lived in semi-squalor. People who cast ballots for politicians of this philosophy are enablers of pure evil; the same people who sit in church pews on Sunday with their boastful, Christian chests poked out while stroking their Bibles. God help us.

Casey D

April 30th, 2010
9:24 am

Tommy C – Check the Kroger dumpster, ah hear they got some good meat in their, and no sales tax either. Hmmm, IT managers R Not worth a nickel today, that tells me they were over rated before.

Williebekind

April 30th, 2010
9:29 am

“The bottom line now is that low-earning Georgians, many of whom are seniors, will no longer get a tax credit refund. The Senate voted 40-9 to approved HB 1069.”

Great job. If you have an income then you pay taxes and could get a refund. If you do not have an income and you do not pay in any taxes you do not get a refund. What is wrong with that? I know redistribution of wealth. Well, I have always said you can write a check to the IRS any time for any amount. Just do not try to force me to do it.

Williebekind

April 30th, 2010
9:30 am

ATL Guy

April 30th, 2010
8:46 am
Who is your employer? A corporation or some poor person?

A Realist

April 30th, 2010
9:31 am

Ah, this is Atlanta and Georgia and there’s a million stories to be told and a million opinions; however, the fact remains…..we are in the middle of one of the worst recessions (if not the worst) in years and our state’s revenues are not keeping up with expenses…..we have to cut somewhere, folks. Bottom line, if you don’t pay any income taxes at all, why in the world should the state pay you for that? That’s welfare and we already have too many welfare programs to pay for now…..this is doing nothing but producing people who would rather be on welfare than work…..it’s easier and it pays more :) Take for instance those who have lived in public housing all their lives and wouldn’t work if you paid them for doing nothing……which is what we’re doing :)

Williebekind

April 30th, 2010
9:33 am

frankmann

April 29th, 2010
11:24 pm
Who do you listen too? AJC, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or the Huffington Post? Yeah, you got the good stuff right off the press.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
9:33 am

“Let’s make sure we understand what’s happening here and who is doing it”
The issue is 47% of Americans no longer pay any federal income tax. Those who do pay are running out of patience with those who don’t and then what the govt does with what they do receive.
The media constantly tells everyone social security and medicare are “entitlement programs” THEY ARE NOT. I have currently paid into both programs for 40 years. They are only entitlement programs if you never paid into them. SS was never intended to do half of things it now does. (college tuition for surviving dependants as an example) It was supposed to be a supplemental retirement plan. Until people realize that you get out of life what you put into it this country will have a very difficult road ahead.

Williebekind

April 30th, 2010
9:36 am

Corey

April 30th, 2010
9:18 am
So tell them to get off their butts and get wealthy. I did.

Williebekind

April 30th, 2010
9:39 am

JJ

April 30th, 2010
9:33 am
You are right. I get so angry when I see people getting checks from SS for reasons other than it was intended–supplement incom after retirement.

Mike

April 30th, 2010
9:46 am

I’ve got to wonder what the people who comment here are like in real life – it seems that no matter what the topic, you’ve got liberals saying it’s all the fault of Bush and Purdue and mean evil rich people, and conservatives saying it’s all the fault of Obama, Pelosi, and Reed and greedy welfare queens.

Regardless of why one’s poor, if a check for ten or twenty dollars once a year is the only thing keeping your children from starving, you’re making lousy choices.

William B

April 30th, 2010
9:52 am

How do you strip someone of something they don’t own – tax credits with no taxes paid? The income tax system is the new welfare system. Kudos to Georgia for finally deviating from the idiocy that prevails in Washington.

NRB2

April 30th, 2010
9:54 am

Democrats argued that the low income tax credit was put in place in 1988 when the state sales — paid by all Georgians, regardless of income — was raised by one cent.
————————————————————————–

Solution: cut the sales tax by one cent. Stupid democrats.

Chris in Savannah

April 30th, 2010
9:54 am

You’re right, Corey, you jacka$$. Let them eat cake! Off with your head!!!

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
9:57 am

“Conservatives” on this post are pitifully ignorant as to what was said in the bill, except LawWatcher, who strategically ignored what he did not like.

It’s like this: those with the lowest of income got a break by having some of their SALES TAX refunded. Now they do not.

For those conservative snobs critical of people in such dire positions, I would like for you to think of two things:
(1) how many deductions did you claim in your tax return? Charitable donations? Mortgage payments? Losses in investment? Dependants? What entitles you more to those deductions than the poor are entitled to getting some of their sales tax back?
(2) have you ever really been around and among truly poor people? I mean people who live in broken down trailers or wooden lean-tos and cook their food on a camp stove because that’s all they can afford. You tell me how those people, whose parents were probably in the same situation, can get out, or how their children will ever get out of the set backs that put them there in the first place.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
10:03 am

What entitles me to the deductions is the $50,000 I still paid in Federal Income tax + State tax + SS + Medicare.

Monroe Burbank

April 30th, 2010
10:12 am

As if conservatives have any compassion for poor people.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
10:19 am

Elephant whip – I pay sales tax too you dope. The tax burden of our government must be shared by everyone or we’ll never pay for everything. Everyone pays sales tax and quite frankly we must get back to a situation where everyone pays income tax and where our government drastically decreases their spending on frivolous programs.

David

April 30th, 2010
10:26 am

Let’s not forget we are in the bible belt where we practice those biblical tenets such as “love thy neighbor as thyself” and” judge not lest you be judged”. I think that the so-called ‘conservatives’ or should I say heathens who advocate for shafting the poor will surely know the wrath of God sometime in their lives. Georgia as a state is already feeling it.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
10:30 am

Monroe: If I can believe what I have read conservatives are generally the largest donaters to charity. Our current VP donates a couple thousand on a million plus income. I believe Mr. Biden would fall under the umbrella of liberal.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
10:47 am

David – it’s not loving your neighbor to create a system where they have no motivation to work and provide for themselves. The Bible teaches that man was made to work, from the very first book. You rarely will find a conservative, especially a religious one, who when you get the full explanation would advocate doing away with all social programs. We are simply sick of the situation created where able bodied people have no incentive to educate themselves and go to work. Instead we have a system where as others have said children from welfare homes come to school with the same gadgets as everyone else. That simply isn’t right. I’m all for giving those kids an education and food, but when those kids have ipods and flat screen tvs it turns my stomach.

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
10:49 am

publish:

Say something substantive. “The tax burden must be shared by everyone….” So why is a tax payer allowed to have deductions if they just happen to have kids?

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
10:51 am

publish:

Furthermore, from your tone and your response regarding the biblical concepts regarding treatment of the poor, you appear to live in the glass bubble. Check back with me when you know what indigent is.

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
10:54 am

JJ:

Ooooh, if you paid $50K, you must be a rain-maker. Sorry to tread on those spotless white shoes!

Corey

April 30th, 2010
10:54 am

Williebekind and Chris in Savannah are the epitomie of the philosohpy in my post. The two of you make my point so succintly.

JR

April 30th, 2010
10:54 am

The article should only report the facts. Theirs as well as a dissenting opinion should then be placed in the proper section.
Each of us needs to understand self-reliance and dependence on government subsidies is not in any of our best interest.
Governments should never tax necessities; we then would not be having another issue between the classes. It seems to me the more involved the government becomes in our lives, the more dependent we become or perhaps the more powerful they become.
Tell the government “no thank you” I can help myself and I want you to get out of the way, only provide common defense, education, and equal rights.

Corey

April 30th, 2010
10:56 am

Williebekind and Chris, hurt dogs will holler.

[...] But, at about 11:30pm, my blood began to boil. I watched as almost every Georgia Republican gave the big middle finger to low-income Georgians: In one of the last votes of the 2010 General Assembly session late Thursday, lawmakers eliminated [...]

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
11:02 am

JR:

You sound like you’re dependant on the nanny state: “Tell the government “no thank you” I can help myself and I want you to get out of the way, only provide common defense, education, and equal rights.”

Funny how people with your philosophy axe most of those things in favor of special interest tax cuts…except gross over-spending in “common defense.” But that only applies to the US armed forces, you regularly defund state and local law enforcement.

More and more there appears to be a new group: “conservative wards of the state.” Defend me, protect me, and teach my kids, but forget taking my money to pay for it.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
11:02 am

@publish<<<>>

And the easiest way to do this is improve the situation of the poor and the lower-middle class; when they consume/earn above a survival threshold they contribute more in membership dues to society (or taxes).

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
11:04 am

elephant whip – deductions for kids is a liberal item. Liberals have far more kids than conservatives, look it up. Plus, portions of these deductions are refundable, and I’ve never met a conservative in my life who had need for a refundable tax credit since conservatives pay taxes.

As to your second post – you didn’t make a point or ask anything. you just whined. I’ve actually had a job before through which I am quite familiar with the indigent care trust fund for the state of GA, did you have a question or point?

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
11:05 am

Avery – are you agreeing or disagreeing with the basic plan?:
1) educate the kids
2) remove incentives to stay at home not working

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
11:09 am

publish:

Yeah, I have a question: how’s that indigent care trust fund doing, and why don’t you work there anymore?

And do you (or will you) claim deductions for kids? If you do, then why do you label it as a liberal item? That’s hypocrisy. Kind of like Georgia’s overall hypocrisy with the federal stimulus money which it so gracefully accepted.

David

April 30th, 2010
11:10 am

publish

Surely, you are aware that many wealthy people pay little or no taxes and employ no one. Why hate the poor? Do you feel they are getting something that you are not? Only the working poor get to file for the tax credit. Many people work hard for wages that barely allow them to survive. Try not to generalize to all or punish all for the sins of a few. Remember, judge not lest you be judged.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
11:12 am

I completely disagree with #2. The idea that the vast majority of poor, underemployed, and unemployed are doing so intentionally is completely bizarre.

I realize that the concept of involuntary unemployment completely violates the perfect markets paradigm, but we don’t live in a world of perfect markets….no matter how hard conservative think-tanks scrunch their eyes and wish it so.

taxpayer

April 30th, 2010
11:13 am

The Biblical commands to help the poor are to individuals, not to governments. Charity that is forced, i.e., my tax dollars are taken from me and given to others in the form of welfare, is not charity. I believe in a government safety net for those few who truly need it, particularly for those with physical or mental illnesses that prevent them from providing for themselves and their dependents. But as another poster said, the safety net has become way too large and is providing far more than the basic necessities—in fact, many of the welfare recipients can afford things like cell phones and cable TV that people like me, due in part to my high tax bills, have chosen to do without.

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
11:14 am

publish:

Let me guess: you were in charge of investing the indigent trust fund?

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
11:20 am

1) No matter how many instances we found of misuse of government resources in this program, the results were ignored for political reasons. No consequences of failure were doled out and no improvements were ever implemented. I’m not going to work for a system that is ignored.

2) I don’t have children. I do however pay income and property taxes that support their education, etc. The current system in place is to pay around 30% tax and claim a deduction per child, that is the system I will use. I don’t file frivilous tax returns and claim deductions that would never hold up in an audit. But yes of course I would properly fill out the number of dependants I have. It’s actually illegal to file a false tax return and not claiming a dependant would be filing a false tax return.

I also have tried to support candidates that want to move to a more fair and balanced taxation system but we haven’t succeeded yet.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
11:26 am

“Fair and balanced taxation system” = code word for lowering the membership dues on those who get the most benefit from the country club.

Liberal DUUUUH-

April 30th, 2010
11:36 am

Stephen Smith, you better get outside quick so the mother ship can beam you up. Liberals see the world as some type of Utopia where everyone can get anything they want while somone else pays for it. So. let me see here, a tax break for those that produce and consume more, therfore paying more taxes to support the leeches who are whining about losing their welfare- er- tax credit. Spare me your crocodile tears! GO get a job (or two or three), earn some money, learn to take care of yourselves, and keep your pants on and stop having so many kids. Maybe then you can stop mooching off others’ AND MY hard earned money.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
11:40 am

avery – i assure you I’m no country clubber. The fact that I ever worked for the government for any period of time should tell you that. I’m in the middle and will be in the middle. No matter what tax system we use, i’m going to continue to pay more and more until we fix the spending habits of our country.

Tar and Feathers Party

April 30th, 2010
11:41 am

The oil price is running up, more profits for me, he he he. BP is going down the tubes, one less major oil company in the world, that means my oil investments just became more profitable for ME. he he haw haw

Palin

April 30th, 2010
11:41 am

I say eliminate some of the corporate tax credits also but they will say we hire people blah blah blah. I say cut the women/men from social security who didn’t pay into it. I talk to women who get a social security check and never worked outside and their husbands are alive this is nonsense. Your husband should take care of you not the rest of us. He worked and paid in and he should get paid out. I say let the men or women you stayed home get their money from their spouse like they always did!!. The will not be touched though because this program is sacred!!ie they vote!!..Only in America.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
11:47 am

@ publish.

You missed the point of my post. The US/GA/your county/your city are the country clubs, and taxes are your membership dues. Some people have higher dues than others because they benefit more from the club’s infrastructure. Almost all of the success stories in this country in this century are people who benefited extraordinarily from the infrastructure in place, most of it heavily sponsored by government-funded research, regulated by the government, or built by the government directly. Bill Gates is a perfect example – he realizes it.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
11:50 am

What is bizarre to me is that lower-middle class voters are somehow convinced that their well-being is directly tied to whether a millionaire can afford one more bedroom on his house through a tax cut, or have an extra hundred grand for their hedge fund manager to lose for them. Most self-made millionaires tend to be more liberal, and some (like Warren Buffet) have repeatedly called for higher taxes on higher incomes.
If middle-class conservatives were honest and said they vote “values” (whatever that is) that’s fine….but to wrap it up in an incorrect economic argument is disingenuous. Over the past 30 years, the middle class has voted for conservative candidates that have steadily worsened the economic condition of the median family…..and somehow these same middle class voters are convinced it is the DNC’s fault. You can follow the income trend on the DOL’s website if you like. What a stellar marketing job. Facts don’t win elections, 2 line slogans do.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
11:54 am

Elephant: I did not complain about what I paid, I responded to the implication I get un earned deductions and don’t pay “my fair share”
If I am a rain maker it is because I got an education, worked hard, married a woman with the same values, raised two children who have good jobs and saved as much money as I could. I would think those are values to be admired not scorned. If you can say the same my hat’s off to you.

Base

April 30th, 2010
11:56 am

And Georgia Power keeps increasing rates!

Pierce Randall

April 30th, 2010
11:57 am

Probably already mentioned, but defenders of removing the low-income tax credit miss the point that Georgia taxes, unlike federal taxes, are primarily drawn from sales and property taxes. The refund exists to cover that element of taxation for low-income individuals, who are disproportionately burdened by consumption taxes, and in cases (retirement, for instance) can face some difficulty paying property taxes, as well. If you like that, fine, but you’re committing an equivocation fallacy if you say that those receiving a refund in fact paid no taxes.

catlady

April 30th, 2010
12:10 pm

Jj, that means widows who never worked outside the home should not “draw” on their husband’s SS accounts, right?

And for you others who decry this as welfare: do you itemize your mortgage interest? Then those of us without it are subsidizing YOU!

A Realist

April 30th, 2010
12:10 pm

Base

April 30th, 2010
11:56 am
And Georgia Power keeps increasing rates!

Hey, buy it from another supplier :) or move to an EMC supplied area…..or, just do without.

Tar and Feathers Party

April 30th, 2010
12:11 pm

I like the idea of striping the poor, let me be the first to volunteer to strip the 18 to 24 year old hot females. No fat girls though, that would be obscene….

A Realist

April 30th, 2010
12:13 pm

You tell me how those people, whose parents were probably in the same situation, can get out, or how their children will ever get out of the set backs that put them there in the first place.

So, what you’re saying “Elephant Whip” is…..Poverty begets poverty……that’s BS

Tar and Feathers Party

April 30th, 2010
12:16 pm

Social Security is safely funded for the next 25 years if we leave the current rules in place. That means no expansion to give away benefits to illegals, same sex things, or any other addition. The fund needs to concentrate on paying already promised and paid for benefits to those of us who have made contributions all our working lives. I myself have been forced to pay into this system since 1968, 42 years. I want my earned and paid for benefits. Do not dare to means test me for benefits, that was never part of the program, and there will be swift and brutal punishment for any lying thieving political whore who tries.

David

April 30th, 2010
12:28 pm

taxpayer

Utter nonsense. Biblical commandments apply to what’s in your heart, not individuals or governments, specifically. You can’t make up rules that are convenient to your beliefs.. Remember Pharoh? He was an Egyptian ruler who persecuted Jews and caused his kingdom to suffer numerous plagues, including the death of all their first born sons. Did you people ever even go to Sunday school? Keep hating. Georgia will continue to fall further and further behind economically or suffer worse plagues. As far as the poor are concerned the “system” has been stacked against them since birth so let’s not go there.. Stacked against them, their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents for centuries. The bible also says that the poor will always be with you. It might do you and some other posters here good to show a little compassion. Remember, but for the grace of God, there go I.

Corey

April 30th, 2010
12:34 pm

Avery, you went way over their heads. Should have kept it to two line slogan like “Drill baby”. “Drill.” Also, lap lemmings lap.

Laura

April 30th, 2010
12:36 pm

Interesting posts. Bottom line – No one promised you life would be easy. We can decide to do nothing or do something. I for one am not doing nothing. SS was not set up for a replacement of not saving for when you are older and not able to work anymore. We all give and we all take. I for one am not going to “settle” for whatever some employer is willing to give me. I DECIDE MY OWN PATH AND HOW I TAKE IT. You people have to get out of the mind set of being loyal to the people you work for. Why? Your employer is not loyal to you. Change is hard, but people don’t settle and that is what you are doing if you worked for a company and do not have a retirement from that company, but then again – ITS UP TO YOU TO SAVE FOR YOUR RETIRMENT NOT ANYONE ELSES. !!!

Beverly Maxey

April 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

This a a dirty low down shame. We seniors were already denied our increase in SS, now the Repulicans have screwed us out of this tax credit. No news broadcast reported this and next year when it hits the fan, and seniors see they won’t get this credit, they’ll blame it on Barack.
Wake Georgians!!!!
And Georgia Power wants and increase…:(

Avery

April 30th, 2010
1:04 pm

@ Corey. I tried to keep it simple with the “membership dues” metaphor, but the other poster thought I was literally saying he belonged to a country club.

Avery

April 30th, 2010
1:05 pm

Changes in real median US income:

1980 to 1992: -1%
1992 to 2000: +15%
2000 to 2008: -6%

Good ole GOP, looking out for the middle class and protecting you from those evil pinko liberals.

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
1:19 pm

JJ:

Change “raise” to “raising” and we’re in the same socio-economic position.

Answer me this question: should indigent people be able to show some sort of ID and be exempt from SALES TAX at every purchase? They pay that tax every time. (I know the next scripted response from the ‘conservative’ will be the ol’ “birth-control, cell phone, flat screen” BS).

Elephant Whip

April 30th, 2010
1:22 pm

A Realist:

“So, what you’re saying “Elephant Whip” is…..Poverty begets poverty……that’s BS.”

Change your blog name. It’s misleading.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
1:28 pm

Elephant: valid question. Wasn’t that the reason the tax on food essentials was reduced a number of years ago? Second I wouldn’t have a problem with your proposal if it is truly for the indigent. Govt subsidies for families of 4 earning up to $85000 are not indigent.

sara

April 30th, 2010
1:34 pm

But you A-holes keep voting for Republican in Georgia. GA is a red state. Now you see how much they care about those of you who make under $50,000.00. All those who call themselves “Christian” are like the pharisees. Jesus would call you snakes.

M. Ghandi

April 30th, 2010
1:39 pm

A nation’s greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
1:55 pm

Avery – I was going to let it go, because you obviously enjoy your metaphor. However, it’s inherently wrong.

No intelligent and honest citizen believes they will get a lower tax burden with a flat tax for the 90% of us in the middle. We understand that our share is going to remain the same. We’re talking about cleaning up the outliers who don’t fit into the current system in a fair way.

And there is nothing fair about the government sending out a bunch of $10 refunds that HR block takes a 50% cut of as a check cashing fee to all of these people. If you want to argue the sales tax is bad, argue that. Don’t put this system in place that creates an unrelated mess. Seriously find me one poor person who doesn’t take their taxes to one of these services to a) figure out what it is they are supposed to get in the first place because so few people understand the tax code to begin with and b) use the instant refund service that they are so happy to provide for a “small” fee.

woodie

April 30th, 2010
1:59 pm

I appears no one here understands the tax credit. The state charges these poor people more sales tax then gives it back as a credit on income tax. Now the poor pays the sales tax without a year-end credit. The state is not ‘giving’ anything to anyone. The state only taketh away.

Not Going To Use My Usual Name

April 30th, 2010
2:03 pm

Y’all really nauseate me. Agreed with those who say that anyone who wants to take from the poor to give to the wealthy should really not slap the label of Christian on themselves, because they aren’t acting like Christ. So last year at Christmas, my department at work adopted some families, and I saw that one teenage girl’s wishlist included an iPod shuffle. I bought her the shuffle and smiled, thinking of her opening it on Christmas.

Sadly, I now realize that ignorant jerks see her at school with that iPod and then see her in the free lunch line, put two and two together, and come up with a completely false impression–and worse, use it to justify increasing taxes on the poor. Delightful, just delightful.

“But it’s not increasing taxes! They don’t pay income tax!” Read, please. It wasn’t a refund to income tax but a refund to state sales tax. Sales tax is inherently a regressive tax–it hits the poor much harder than the middle and upper class.

When (if?) y’all get to heaven, you’re going to have some ’splaining to do. Remember the story of what you did unto the least of these?

“But that’s about individuals! Not governments!”

Riiiiiight, keep telling yourselves that (and ignoring the OT prophets who called down Israel’s government for failing to take care of the widows, the poor, the orphans, and the stranger).

JJ

April 30th, 2010
2:25 pm

I love how the tolerant ones call anyone who thinks differently an “ignorant jerk”. My perception of cell phones etc… comes from my wife, the ignorant jerk accouding to you, who has taught in this area for the last 15 years. It is not a one time occurance to see free and reduced kids with all the gadgets, it is pervasive. And if you read any of my previous posts I have tried to prsent my opinion without the need to belittle anyone else.

LaughsOutLoud

April 30th, 2010
2:49 pm

“And if you read any of my previous posts I have tried to prsent my opinion without the need to belittle anyone else.”

You mean of course, except for those wretched poor people you & your wife seem to dislike so much. And since you’re so well educated and successful – learn how to use a spellchecker before you post – it makes you look less like an illiterate.

HumanitarianJohn

April 30th, 2010
2:53 pm

Wow! I cannot believe how much compassion we lack for others. To imply that the poor are looking for handouts is disingenuous. Don’t stop there, use even more extreme stereotypes because their based on the same principals and mindsets of the most evil people. The U.S. has a history of the social majority using fear to oppress and control minority groups (Slavery, Segregation, Immigration, etc.) The poor are the among the weakest and most vulnerable groups of society and it’s completely disgusting for witness others attack them. Ask yourselves, “do you really think that people would choose to be poor on their own accord?” Attacking the poor deflects attention from economic transformation of society. American greed and and lack of humanity towards others is the cause this negative economic environment. It’s about time for us to practice what we preach in church, because our politics are completely the opposite!

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
2:55 pm

wait, you bought a poor kid an I-pod? You know that she’s quickly going to grow tired of the songs you initially paid for, if any. Did you just create a new music downloading bill for her family? Or did you start the kid on a path to stealing music?

Same with giving a kid a cellphone. New bill, especially text message charges.

Or a tv – Cable bill.

We all know enough stories of seeing broke people take a tax refund or whatever down to best buy for a new gadget so don’t act like you’re kid with the ipod is the only case.

Jeremy Abramowitz

April 30th, 2010
2:58 pm

I have no patience for privileged white boys claiming they are burdened by taxes while the poor legitimately suffer. This tax credit was designed to offset sales tax hikes that hit the poor disproportionately hard because they spend a larger share of their income on necessities like food, rent, and the gas bill. And now we want to take away one of the few progressive measures Georgia has in place to maintain some semblance of purchasing power and keep food on the table, so that Rich Whitey gets to put a few more bills into his IRA?

Whiners need to take Econ 101.

JJ

April 30th, 2010
3:08 pm

Laughs out loud: Thank you for proving my point about intolerance. I never said my wife or I disliked the children for having the gadgets, I stated an observation. If you had the slightest clue how much she cares about these kids you would be begging her forgivness. We are very fortunate in that she does not have to work but chooses a profession where she gets to give back every day.

publish the state budget

April 30th, 2010
3:10 pm

This passed 41-9. Are there really 41 conservatives or did a fair share of the democrats/progressives/socialist whatever you prefer vote for this as well? Perhaps you democrat whinners should focus on the people that represent you because no conservative/republican/tea party person will ever like this kind of tax.

Chas

April 30th, 2010
3:14 pm

Being an “odie” I can remember the old Saying “gas or — nobody reads free”. Wth all the “free”
programs the goverment offers on how to get an education to get your self upgraded why do not pepole use them???

Scott

April 30th, 2010
3:37 pm

I just donated to my local food pantry. Tell me, all you who pay so much in taxes…what have YOU done? (fyi, your donation is TAX DEDUCTIBLE)

Remember Me?

April 30th, 2010
3:37 pm

All political power grows from the barrel of a gun. I will get what I need to feed my family BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!

Have a nice day. See you soon.

Steve

April 30th, 2010
4:02 pm

I hope they also a will get rid of the privileges of the well to do: FREE aircraft landings at general aviation airports. If I have to pay to drive around on Stone Mountain airports, why don’t the owners of planes have to pay to drive around PDK Airport???

Liberal DUUUUH-

April 30th, 2010
4:09 pm

I donate to many different causes. I donate by choice, not by force, like the state does to me. By the way, GIVE to charity, NOT GIVE BACK! Nobody GAVE me what I have; I EARNED it. I feel blessed to help those in need. I hope that my donations help someone get back on their feet. I have seen evidence of those who “work the system” and make a living off of my tax $’s. WIth Comrades Obama, Pelosi, and Reid in office, you can bet that the moochers’ plunder of the achievers in this country will continue unabated.

Liberal DUUUUH-

April 30th, 2010
4:16 pm

Steve, don’t give me this “landing for free” crap. Sure, the landing procedure is free, but so is the use of I-85. But when was the last time YOU paid $5.00 for a gallon of fuel? Aircraft fuel is taxed like crazy, and nobody “well-to-do” pilot is going to leave the ground without it. Get your facts straight before you post, moron.

John

April 30th, 2010
4:28 pm

It’s one thing to be poor but get money back? Where is the hell is someoone’s pride. My gosh, just kill yourself. I wouldn’t do it if you were on fire.

Democrat will win

April 30th, 2010
5:12 pm

GO ROY GO!!!!!

Rich White Man Slapping uppity Jeremy Abramowitz Around

April 30th, 2010
5:48 pm

I have no patience with jews stealing from me…git back to Is-Piss jewboy, and take the ni ggers with you.

Marilyn Adams

April 30th, 2010
6:32 pm

WHAAAAAAAAAA. If you don’t earn anything, nor pay any taxes why should I have to pay to give back to you? You’re worthless to begin with.

leroyce

April 30th, 2010
6:47 pm

The gravy train has hit some rough track and it looks like those who have been riding will have to either get off or start paying for the ride. In this day and time the free lunches are coming to a halt as well. It is high time that all these public give aways are stopped we have not been able to afford them for years and they have been borrowing the money from China to give tax refunds to people who don’t pay income taxes to begin with. This is the begining of a new day and all those who have been watching the mailbox for a check from big brother had better find some other source of income. It was going to end at some point you all knew it would, it had to.

JB

April 30th, 2010
8:34 pm

Are youepubs aware that neither Bank Of America or GE paid no income taxes last year,GE got a billion dollar credit to use whenever the want to. Talk about welfare

DRO

April 30th, 2010
9:04 pm

Rich White Man and Jeremy Abramowitz, I think what both of you have said is disgusting. Both comments were racist and uncalled for. You both make me sick

SK

April 30th, 2010
9:53 pm

You must Pay tax to get a refund. A “refund” on tax you did not pay is welfare.

Jim

April 30th, 2010
11:32 pm

This is a case of a “won the battle but might lose the war” type scenario. You see, in order to maintain a civilized democratic society, there must be an balance between numbers of rich or poor. It’s a lesson learned the hard way by many elitists of the centuries. Scream all you want about anyone who’s poor is a “deadbeat” and doesn’t deserve a refund. It’s nonsense. Poor people pay taxes every single day. It’s irrelevant what they spend their money or any tax refunds on. It’s none of your business. Rest assured, this balance of numbers of people is required, because if enough of them pissed off poor people come around, and it’s happened before, no amount of guns or ammo is going to save you or your family’s asses.

Re: WOW

May 1st, 2010
2:51 am

Even Satan is a believer…doesn’t make him a Christian.

Finally!

May 1st, 2010
7:49 am

Thank you! I can not believe we give money to people who do not even pay taxes! That is beyond stupid. The more breaks we give to the poor such as paying no taxes and welfare, the more they sit on their behind saying,”Gimme moree and you owe me.” They need to have an incentive to better their lives. I am tired of paying for everyone else. o to school and get a job. Everyone should have to contribute. 49% of Americans do not pay taxes and the 11 million illegals don’t wither. Why should I have to support them and the government!

Been There With Poverty

May 1st, 2010
8:02 am

Scott you are a breath of fresh air my friend! I have to correct an early blogger on this subject about the poor qualifying for food, WIC, etc. THAT figure of $20K they quoted must have been something they pulled out of ther arse. I was separated from my husband, he had relocated to try and find a better job (we all know there are no jobs in Georgia!!!), I drove a school bus and we had a young child. I earned $12K and some change last year. I went to the local government offices to TRY and qualify for Peachcare for my child, foodstamp, WIC, assistance with utlitlies, ANYTHING. Know what they told me? I made TOO much money for assistance!!!!!! That $20K figure is bogus and a made up number for that selfish a-hole to feel better about him/herself for being so greedy. I had to earn less than $11K to qualify for ANY thing!!! So you ridiculous right-wing Limbaugh fantatics need to stop listening to that Pied Piper of an idiot! He is SOOO misinforming you. And WIC does NOT fill the grocery cart. My sister had WIC for her 4 year old and she received about $26.00 per week to assist with cheese, milk, Cheerios, etc. Yep! That grocery cart was overflowing and she sure ate well, didnt’ she!!!

Happy ending. The husband found a GREAT job in Tennessee and we reconciled. We learned the hard way. The government is NOT going to help the way you right-wingers think. We rent instead of own (believe it or not, it’s cheaper!!!), we save and pay cash for EVERY thing. We lost $60K in the real estate market in Atlanta when our house sat on the market for one year and had to take whatever we could get!!! The person who bought it found it to be the same money pit we did and sold it a year later last year and he took another $30K hit plus another $10K for real estate commission.

I love people who sit in front of FOX and are brainwashed. You can see them coming a mile away.

To: LawWatcher

May 1st, 2010
8:24 am

Did you REALLY expect an unbiased article with no spin?

You DO realize this is the AJC, right?

The liberal slant of this periodical is why I stopped paying for hardcopies years ago. I’d never give my dollars to support such rubbish.

I DO however like the online version though, since it cost nothing to come in here, read some fiction and check the Kroger sale ads.

:-)

Rich White Man Slapping uppity Jeremy Abramowitz Around

May 1st, 2010
9:09 am

WE will soon be rid of the ajc and its lib whinners, forever….Now everyone chant with me “Fail, Fail, Fail, go bankrupt, go bankrupt, go bankrupt ajUrinal, Fail, Fail, Fail.” That should do it, my happy thought for the day.

Jack

May 1st, 2010
9:22 am

Wlefare by any other name is still welfare. The refund was welfare.

bisnono

May 1st, 2010
9:31 am

I have a great job now, but I have never forgotten being so broke that having a spare $5 was a LOT of money. If you have the good fortune to be working at a job that pays well, do we not have a moral imperative to help our neighbors who aren’t as lucky as we are? If it means I pay an extra few dollars at the grocery store or in income taxes, so that my neighbor can buy their blood pressure medication or groceries for the week, I have no problem with that and am happy to share. I would hope that were our circumstances to be reversed, my neighbors would do the same for me – oh wait, they already have, when it was I who was struggling!

lets do it

May 1st, 2010
9:33 am

All you rednecks are correct. EVERYONE should pay taxes. Where shall we start….hmmmm…..lets find some people and organizations that make billions of dollars a year here in ga. and pay NO TAXES…..hmmm….ALL THE FRICKIN CHURCHES AND THEIR MINISTERS/PRIESTS/POPES/PREACHERS/SAINTS/DEMI-GODS/GURUS….ETC.

Why in hell do they get a break….separation of church and state….. BULL!!!!

If they paid taxes everything would be just fine.

Gracie

May 1st, 2010
10:05 am

All of this yelling and screaming about subsidizing the poor becuase of being uneducated, lazy, no strength, collecting welfare, SSI, EBT’s, and letting hard workers support you . It is time for this to end.

Maybe now or in the intermediate future, you might get off you lazy butt and put some strength and do something about it. Hard working people are tired of supporting free loaders while these hard workers pay high taxes and very rarely get refunds from the government to support those good for nothing jerks who are toothless, drink white lightning, take meth, play lottery, complain all day long, live in dumps, have two thousand kids, etc.

For those useless people……………”Get a real Life”

kreanna

May 1st, 2010
10:30 am

The government should not give money to anyone unless they are sick or disabled. I work 40 years of my life , got laid off, spent every dime I had save and couldnot even get a food stamp, no medical help . I don’t think the gov should give any one who made and continues to make bad choices by having baby after baby, generation after generation. I say cut off the welfare unless they are sick or disabled and make people work for their keep. Before checks are distributed , a birth control pill should be shoved down the throats of irresponsible females and the males should be castrated . Yes I am angry with a failed system. I have paid my dues but unable to receive temporary help with anything !!!iever

DJ

May 1st, 2010
10:53 am

For what it’s worth, as long as there is a system, some people will try to take advantage of it. But not all – so let’s not pretend they do.

Talk is cheap and life is not easy – no one ever said it would be. Bottom line – WE as a community need to do what WE can for others. You want to help people who are less fortunate – donate your old items instead of throwing them out and give to the food banks. I do this because my mother was a single parent on food stamps when I was little. It was the kindness of others that allowed her to get back on her feet.

Now married with two kids of my own, my husband and I are fortunate enough to have decent jobs – no government support required. Even so, it’s not easy. But we do what we have to in order to make it work. I learned that from watching my mother – To quote her “Where there is will, there is a way”.

The cost of food is absurd. But there are ways – it takes planning and time (which I have little of with two young children) but it’s worth it – I shop sales and use coupons ever chance I get and save about half the cost of our food bill.

As for the former IT manager looking for a job – check out the Fulton County Daily Report. There was a job advertised in there for a litigation support manager last week. It might not be right up your alley but it could get you out of Kroger.

Morrus

May 1st, 2010
10:58 am

Vote outt the incumbents and start over

Barb

May 1st, 2010
11:01 am

Enter your comments here

Barb

May 1st, 2010
11:05 am

publish the state budget
April 30th, 2010
8:13 am

Scott – if you think the children of this state aren’t getting enough food with the 2 school meals a day + welfare + food stamps + earned income tax credits + whatever else I’m forgetting, then just look around. You see articles everyday about the obesity epidemic, especially amongst the poorer people.

The obesity has to do with the poor quality of the food, not the amount. Last time I looked at school lunches (when I had lunch with my grandson last fall at his grade school) the food combinations were just a lot of carbs and most of the kids only drink the chocolate milk and eat the dessert. So while we may be feeding the kids, we are feeding them crap and shouldn’t be proud of it.

Steve

May 1st, 2010
12:27 pm

Republicans raised our taxes? But it’s on the poor and not the rich so I guess it’s okay. Helping the poor is what true Christians do and Republicans are Conservative Christians (an oxymoron).

James

May 1st, 2010
1:07 pm

Conservatives are a pox on this country. Nasty anti-American sociopaths one and all.

Rich White Man Slapping uppity Jeremy Abramowitz Around

May 1st, 2010
2:01 pm

Barb – Obesity results from putting too much food in your mouth too many times a day over many days. Its not the quality of the food, it is the quantity. The fat kids are just gluttons, pure and simple.

So nice

May 1st, 2010
2:11 pm

It’s so wonderful being an expatriate now. It’s even more comical to watch all you myopic, brainwashed losers bickering over what to do about the overbearing police state you’ve created. There ARE other places on the planet that offer MUCH MORE freedom than the failed USSA. Enjoy your hell folks while we bask in an early retirement with REAL rights.

BehindEnemyLines

May 1st, 2010
2:14 pm

re: “those with the lowest of income got a break by having some of their SALES TAX refunded. Now they do not.”

Good, comes just a little bit closer to paying a fair share. Not close enough, but it’s at least a baby step in the right direction. Glad we could clear that up.

David H

May 1st, 2010
2:33 pm

Finally! A blow to State sponsored Marxism. To the government schooled bright guy who whines that government taxes the wretched poor more than corporations, I can understand why you are one of the wretched poor. Corporations do not “pay” taxes! You never learned that in school, did you? They are “taxed” and that loss of revenue is passed on to YOU the consumer! YOU are the one who pays corporate taxes! Hey, “HATES REPUBLICANS” I am very successful, and guess what? Those of my employees who bust their asses for me stay with me because they are paid well. Anyone who doesn’t like it can leave, and go on to a higher paying position. The jobs I need done to run my business belong to me, not my workers. If they don’t like it, they are free to leave, and provide their services to someone who appreciates them more than I do. I can’t recall a poor, hard working, low wage earning person ever offering me a job! If you are that good, but “unfortunate”, prove it! Hey “Base”: got a problem with Georgia Power raising its rates? Maybe its because they are “taxed” too much, your Messiah president refuses to expand domestic oil exploration, and GA Power has to pay more for what is available to them. Guess who pays for that lack of a cheaper domestic commodity? YOU DO! The catch phrase :D on’t Tread On Me lead to the planet’s largest movement into prosperity in the world’s history. The catch phrase “From Each According To His Abilities, To Each According To His Needs” which seems to be what you liberals are begging for, has only brought misery and poverty and warfare to this planet. It took the Soviet Union 75 years to figure that one out. I have my fingers crossed that it will take the voters of the United States less than 24 months to learn the hard lesson. But until November’s election returns, Georgia is finally back on the right track. Start dealing with it.

HDB

May 1st, 2010
2:57 pm

@ David H:
“…….your Messiah president refuses to expand domestic oil exploration, and GA Power has to pay more for what is available to them. Guess who pays for that lack of a cheaper domestic commodity? ”

If you really knew history…..the OIL COMPANIES curtailed domestic capacity because it was more expensive to explore domestically than it was to import oil from the Middle East!! This occurred in 1969…under the Nixon Administration!! The oil companies also conspired to keep energy efficiencies off the market so that they could corner the energy market. Look at what has just happened in the Gulf of Mexico…..we could have been energy independent if Republicans had the vision to lead us this way!! We ALL are paying for a lack of vision!!

I agree that the system has been abused…so the question I have is this: why wasn’t the tax credit based on a sliding scale?? That would have been the motivation for people to progress!! In many cases, though, a person’s circumstances were not dictated by the lack of desire…but the lack of opportunity!!

“Don’t tread on me” also lead to the planet’s largest movement into discrimination in the world’s history! I wish that it wouldn’t have been that way!!

I Hate Democrats

May 1st, 2010
4:28 pm

Good. Great. Fantastic. I detest people telling me it is my responsibility to pay for other people. NOT MY PROBLEM.

Cynthina T.

May 1st, 2010
6:22 pm

Let’s give more money that we don’t have to the people that did not earn it…we’ll just take it away from the people that earned the money and give it to those that did not. This makes perfect sense…and it will motivate everyone to work hard.

ShaunD

May 1st, 2010
8:34 pm

Regardless….when something detrimental hits any of your doors I am sure you will bark differently! This state is one of the few old hard resistant types that just wants to continue to peel wounds off healed sores. In time that won’t continue to be! When people truly are sick and tired of the sh** some will be singing a different tune or seeking out how! There ain’t no Christians here….you gotta be kidding! Just that same ol’ psychotic way of seeing the so-called way of doing things thru rose colored glasses….regardless ya’ll still can’t see down here! It is truly going to take an act of GOD for real. Such innate sickness….it is exhausting

offkey

May 1st, 2010
8:40 pm

Dear Greedy Stupid Bastards,
Glad to know that in this great and generous country of ours, you red state jerks have conservative politics rammed so far up your asses that you would begrudge my elderly widowed mother the little low income gift she enjoys from the state each year. The few dollars she gets is a big deal for her. There are so many bigger fish to fry in this state, but you can always rely on the idiots you people keep sending to the state capitol to haul in an empty net every single time.

SouthernGal

May 1st, 2010
9:50 pm

My Dad qualified for the GA low income tax refund for 2009…it was a whopping $6.00.

OTOH

May 2nd, 2010
1:21 am

Jeremy Abramowitz said

“This tax credit was designed to offset sales tax hikes that hit the poor disproportionately hard because they spend a larger share of their income on necessities like food, rent, and the gas bill. And now we want to take away one of the few progressive measures Georgia has in place to maintain some semblance of purchasing power and keep food on the table, so that Rich Whitey gets to put a few more bills into his IRA?”

Cue reality. The refundable tax credit was originally put in place to offset the 5% sales tax. Since then, the sales tax on food has been reduced to 2%. There has been no sales tax hike. Quite the reverse. Rent and utilities never came under the sales tax. Since the poor have for several years not paid that 5% sales tax on food, the refund for that tax is no longer justifiable as a refund on that tax.

sally

May 2nd, 2010
7:59 am

Finally, the Georgia legislature did something that makes sense.

Buzz G

May 2nd, 2010
8:39 am

Why can’t the AJC ever be honest about this. If you did not pay money, there can be no refund of that money. Welfare should never be dishonestly painted as something it is not.

Rick Z

May 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

You’ve got it right, Southern Gal. All this fuss is over a credit that ranges between $5 and $26. It’s just as well our financially strapped state saves money by eliminating a process requiring it to send out hundreds or thousands of small checks to people whose tax would otherwise be zero.

larry

May 2nd, 2010
9:16 am

why do those “poorest people” seem to be the most obese people i see. They sure are not missing any meals from their appearance and yeah, don”t forget “OBAMA’S GONNA SAVE US ALL” LOL- HOWS THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YA?

twinkletoes

May 2nd, 2010
10:15 am

I’m with everyone who says we shouldn’t get a rebate if we don’t pay any taxes. My income is low enough that I pay no income taxes and I don’t expect a nickel from the state of GA! I think it is very nice of the state to tell me that if I receive below a certain amount of income, I don’t even have to fill out the tax form! Wish the Feds would be so gracious!

Justine

May 2nd, 2010
11:41 am

There would be no financial problems in this state if the state made everyone, INCLUDING BUSINESSES, PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES. Personally I am sick and tired of hearing about tax credits going to big companies for alleged new jobs which never seem to materialize. IN OTHER WORDS, IF BUSINESS TAX CREDITS WORKED WHY IS THERE SUCH A HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THIS STATE.

Cynthina T.

May 2nd, 2010
12:08 pm

Obama will solve all of our problems!

Charles

May 2nd, 2010
12:30 pm

I bet those legislators are the same business owners who repeatedly votes over and over not to raise the minimum wage in this state or doesn’t bother to take care of their own workers while at the same time, utility rates keeps on rising and worse, gas prices keeps going up and up, things that are beyond the poors’ control! So I think this was a good thing for those who are less fortunate- Let the state take care of the “working poor” since their bosses won’t do the right thing!

Loni D

May 2nd, 2010
1:06 pm

First off to those who think that everyone who makes under $20,000 can get assistance your wrong, i am a single mother paying bills and taxes plus going to school . I get no help from the government period. So when it comes to my money and what taxes and what things are going to be cut I’m very concerned. So forgive those of us who are trying to make a living and are not seeking a handout nor getting help from the government for being a little upset, seeing as how we are working and busting our asses just to get the rug pulled from underneath us yet again.

LawWatcher

May 2nd, 2010
6:58 pm

Quote: “ALL THE FRICKIN CHURCHES AND THEIR MINISTERS/PRIESTS/POPES/PREACHERS/SAINTS/DEMI-GODS/GURUS….ETC.

Why in hell do they get a break….separation of church and state….. BULL!!!!”

Churches etc. (and most other community organizations) do not pay taxes because they run exclusively on donations from people whose money has ALREADY BEEN TAXED!

LawWatcher

May 2nd, 2010
7:12 pm

Quote: “Republicans raised our taxes? But it’s on the poor and not the rich so I guess it’s okay. Helping the poor is what true Christians do and Republicans are Conservative Christians (an oxymoron).”

I love how the same people who can’t stand the mention of God in public affairs are the first ones to bring it up when it has to do with nanny state logic. It’s interesting that “what true Christians do”, in your world, always seems to get filtered through the government. I don’t remember God ever ordering up politicians and bureaucrats to play political ping pong with everybody’s money (”generous contributions”) before they get dispersed to anybody.

Christian giving is a personal decision and conviction, not a government run welfare system. Besides, your premise is so factually inaccurate to start with. Statistics show that conservatives are FAR more generous in their charitable giving than liberals….by a long shot. And before you throw in some ignorant class warfare comment (well that’s because conservatives are evil rich people and they can afford to give more…….), those statistics are true REGARDLESS OF INCOME LEVEL.

Joe Biden is a perfect example. Out there telling people about their moral duties to the government with their $$$. Joe Biden’s charitable giving? = 1%

welfare

May 2nd, 2010
8:50 pm

Now what am I gonna do.With only food stamps, medicaid, Section 8, AFDC, SSI, utilities assistance, free lunch/dinner programs, free day care, collecting my dead momma’s social security checks, etc. how can I be expected to make payments on my car, big screen plasma and cell phones ?? Obama, help !!!!

Scary

May 3rd, 2010
12:17 am

This is the bible belt?

DENY THY NEIGHBOR

You people should just keep one thing in mind – one day you too may need the help of the state. Good luck.

Bobby

May 3rd, 2010
7:50 am

And all these “family value” Republicans claim to be Christians. I guess the Sermon on the Mount in their Bible must read a little different than mine. The Republican version apparently says, “Blessed are the poor except in the State of Georgia”.

Where are all the Family Value Southern Baptists in this State when their legislator’s are passing such nonsense. Oh, that’s right. They are too busy worrying about same sex couples.

Stand Waitie

May 3rd, 2010
7:54 am

Most of the “poor” in this state are buying lotto tickets, beer, cigs, cell phones, tv’s, and $2,000 wheels for their $500 cars. I don’t want to donate my hard earned money to their perpetual condition.

Stand Waitie

May 3rd, 2010
7:56 am

By the way, I believe in charity and I have very high charitable contributions, but charity is voluntary, not at the point of the government’s gun.

moejoe

May 3rd, 2010
10:22 am

I would hope the people of Georgia have more compassion but appartently not . The governor needs million dollar stables and fish hatcheriers so the truly poor can scratch for themselves. Most of the the people I work with in filing income taxes truly need the little extra money they get from low income taxes. Some of you need to get out and look around you and thank God you are as well off as you are.

A

May 3rd, 2010
10:23 am

Who ARE you people? Do you even know someone who has no money? Have you ever even been in a home where money is scarce? Generally it’s not a hovel, there is pride in what they DO have. It’s human to want to live as well as one can and to be respected. The ‘poor’ aren’t animals. The fact that they need help does not make them so. There are no jobs, that check means everything. Do you people want Atlanta to become New Delhi, with begging on the streets? Would that make you feel superior enough? I am happy, repeat, HAPPY, to give some of my income to programs for the poor. What kind of monster would deny a single mother of three a check that could help her feed her babies? Never mind how she got those babies-it’s none of anyones business. It’s a reality-we have in this city people too poor to feed themselves, where indeed 30.00 is a huge sum of money, where help is desperately needed. Tax the rich-they’ve got all the money. Don’t take it from the most desperate people in our community.

Juan Carlos Diego Raul Sanchez

May 3rd, 2010
11:27 am

wtf did they do to earn a tax credit – smoking crack and having babies does not a job make…and gives you zero right to my money…crawl back in your holes you rats…

JSF3000

May 3rd, 2010
11:57 am

Hide your flat screen tvs middle class. The poor will be coming for them.

Smokewagon

May 3rd, 2010
1:18 pm

Poor = flat screen + Lexus (or similar) + Air Jordans + cell phone + ipod + govt. paid house 300 s.f. or better + free food and lots of it. Those that once made a good living for themselves are denied any benefits. This country glorifies those that do nothing for themselves then trashes its seniors when they can no longer produce. This is the democratic way and I hate it.

Joe Ferraro

May 3rd, 2010
2:05 pm

Cynical White Boy you really are a dick.

Just hand it all over

May 3rd, 2010
2:17 pm

Yea, let me tell you, as a middle income tax payer I am always amazed by these so called low income people, standing at the grocery store with chips, cookies, steak, pizza, cakes, candies and the finer things while my cart is filled with essentials. Thats the difference in what I pay for myself and what I pay in taxes for these lower people. Oh by the way, more and more of these so called low income people are driving BMW’s and spending 100’s per month on lottery tickets while wearing designer clothing. Dont give me a flip on the 1% sales tax. If you pay no taxes you should not be given a refund on tax money period. If there is money to be given back it should go to the taxpayer who is overpaying year after year after year like many middle class families do. Welfare should be cut out and all people should be made to work for their money. Im not saying cut out the welfare checks, I am saying make the welfare person report to a job to earn what they get. Oh yea and the drug (hair) testing should be a law for this money.

A

May 3rd, 2010
2:55 pm

You people are grandstanding, and in an unoriginal way. All of what you have just said is pretty much Ku Klux Klan boilerplate. Does no one in the whole world care about what you have to say? How sad that you consider yourself so nominal that you must write something so overtly cruel to get attention. Clearly you have no real experience with the ‘group’ you are referring to or you would understand this ‘group’ has just as diverse an economic structure as any other in the United States. I’m also pretty sure you wouldn’t know a designer outfit from a knockoff but I’m just guessing. If this were anywhere but the internet you’d be pretty quiet-it’s unwise to speak in public about things you don’t understand. For all the normal reasons; makes one look like a buffoon, makes one seem deeply unintelligent, makes one look less than Christian. You do think you are a Christian, right? Well, not so much.

jack stilton

May 3rd, 2010
4:15 pm

Tax the poor all you want they are the reason the rest of us pay so much in taxes!

Liberal DUUUUH-

May 3rd, 2010
4:19 pm

A- One more Mother Ship, coming right up. I’ll have that with a side order of socialism, to go. The days of the Nanny State are quickly coming to a close. Look at Greece’s problems. It is the social welfare systems that have created much of the poverty here. So many people become dependent on their handouts that it discourages them from getting a real job. Why work at all, when you can make a living off of the taxpayers, even getting tax “rebates” for taxes you never paid?. Maybe I can get one of those great new car rebates without buying a car, huh? Makes about as much sense. But then, to idealists, like yourself, everyone whould have a RIGHT to a new car? Maybe the “rich” will buy me one? They have all the money. We live in the greatest (for now) country in the world, where a dirt poor person, can, with hard work and sacrifice, have a successful carreer, or even become one of the filthy rich. You should travel to the third world, as I have and see what being poor is really all about. In places like Nicaragua, there is no government handout or tax “rebates”. Being poor is generational there; there is no other chioce if you are born into it. The “poor” here are exceedingly rich when compared to those unfortunate people. I am no better than any poor person; my situation is due to my hard work and sacrifice. I have been “poor” before but worked like a dog to get out of it and make something of myself. My wife and I held off having kids until we could afford them, unlike many welfare moms who can’t seem to keep their knees together. I donate free medical services to a number of patients when times are tough. But taking my money at the point of a gun for tax “rebates” burns me up. Tax the rich? Do some research and find out just how much the rich are taxed already. Tax them too much and watch them leave. Where will your handouts come from, then? Open your eyes, A, and see the real world, otherwise, close them and say “Beam me up!”

A

May 3rd, 2010
5:16 pm

Actually, it’s corporate greed that created much of the poverty here. You give me Greece, I’ll ante up Sweden anytime. There are no jobs here now. No boot straps. Your argument might have meant something before this horrible crash but now it’s just malevolent. Why in the world would you take an entire class of people and villainize them for needing help? Wealthy people pay very little in taxes. You should look that up because your insistence on it makes you look foolish. Those with really hideous amounts of money plan to keep it. Everyone knows this. As to Nicaragua, a country that the USA has used as a sop for the conservatives collective xenophobia for the better part of a century, I was there during the war. It’s a poor choice for an example as the dire poverty was, during that time, exacerbated by the American embargo. Like what is being done by people like you who insist that a group of people who have nothing to spare have what little they’ve got taken away from them. Thought like this is nothing but Ku Klux Klan rhetoric. You say ‘beam me up’, I say tuck your little insecurities away from public view. You’re only embarrassing yourself.
Last post.

gman

May 3rd, 2010
7:30 pm

Funny, these people who are against the poor,alos recognize corporate welfare occurs but have no problem with it, even when the CEOSmake millions in income , but their companies receives welfare from me a tax payer. (Oil companies, Banks, Farmers, etc)

Jeff in ATL

May 3rd, 2010
8:09 pm

Fine, do away with the refund … but eliminate sales tax on all [non-prepared] grocery items, clothing and shoes.

Jeff in ATL

May 3rd, 2010
8:15 pm

“Tax them too much and watch them leave.”

Oh please. Enough with the Atlas Shruged/John Galt baloney. Where are they going to go? No where in this world provides the opportunity for the uber wealthy to get even wealtheir. The Caymans? Hardly. It’s a place to park cash. The only thing that increases the value of something — taking a raw material and making it into something that is worth more and can be sold — is human labor. The rich are only rich because of labor. Instead of the millions of middle-class and poor getting on their knees and “praying” to and thanking the rich, every day the rich should thank labor.

Steve

May 4th, 2010
4:57 am

This sounds a lot like Marxist theory – “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” Obama keeps claiming he is not a socialist but under his watch nearly have of the people do not pay any taxes. WHY? The stronger and more capable you appear, the more we’ll take from you, and weaker and more desperate you look, the more you’ll get. Enslave the productive to serve the unproductive. In a Marxist system, abilities always shrink, and needs always grow. In reality, we are unequal in our capacities, life has been good to many of us, by grace and good luck go many of us, and many, many of us have compassion for the less fortunate. However, involuntary ’service’ to the community by the force of the local authorities is servitude, not Liberty. Virtues enforced by the mob are not virtues at all — they are duties imposed by someone else, based on their views of ‘public service’, not necessarily the views of the ’servant’. The issue is free choice. I choose to donate or give as opposed to a mandate from the government due to taxation. My choice. It is also dangerous for a society to become completely reliant on the government for everything. I really think it’s up to us to give to the poor in society and take care of them, not the government and their programs. Are any of them any good?? Was this country founded on giving away something for nothing? Yes I do donate frequently. Yes, I detest the government giving away entitlements that are anti-incentive. The problem with this entire concept and these government giveaways is that the world is not perfect. This quote reminds me of stories my mother told me as a child, you know the ones that tell you about imaginary lands where everything is perfect. This idea is absolutely preposterous, we don’t live in a perfect world, people would surely take advantage of such a system and the entire system would have to rely on the government to implement it. Oh yeah that will turn out well, besides such a system would provide no incentive to work hard, notice i said work HARD. It would be society of sub-par workers.

Enraged taxPAYER

May 4th, 2010
8:20 am

They didn’y PAY any income tax, so why the hell should they get anything?
I’m with the cynical white boy

Conservatives R cruel

May 4th, 2010
9:56 am

Jesus weeps at our treatment of the poor.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:17 am

Hates Republican: You must be joking. The government was not created to do for the individual what he/she should do for themselves. If you graduate HS, avoid drug use, alcoholism & prematurely start having children – you should be able to make a good living. If you boss takes you for granted, or pays you a crummy wage, then start your own business. The GA earned income credit SHOULD NEVER exist. No one, through the income tax process, designed to raise the government revenue, should receive a payment if their tax burden was reduced to zero. This is socialism/communist, and goes against the American character. All citizens have an obligation to fund the operation of the government. Poverty is created by the individual via a long series of bad decisions. Other citizens should not be mandated by law to be their brothers’ keeper. If they wish to help the impoverished because of their religious beliefs or altruism, that is their right.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:18 am

Conservatives – your are a liberal dumb ass. The lord helps those who help themselves. The Lord expects you to take of yourself. Plus, conservatives – please tell us how much $$, exactly you give to help the poor.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:21 am

Jeff – you too are a liberal “the government needs to take care of me” bozo. That is not a quality of the American character. If you are poor, it is your own fault. Change your behavior and you will improve your life. All citizens must contribute to the operation of the government. The sales tax, included that on food, should be imposed. The free rider system of so many “citizens” needs to end. The US government is broke.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:21 am

Jeff – go back to New Jersey.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:23 am

A: You always jealous, or is that just a gigantic inferiority complex your carrying around?

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:23 am

A: How many years were you a member of the KKK?

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:27 am

A: How did the single mother of three get to her circumstance? 3 different fathers? Rampant recreational fornication? You are enabling this immorality while posturing to be a caring, good person. Programs already exist the help people in these circumstances – WIC, public housing, child support from the father; social security death benefits, etc., etc. The single mother, as a citizen, still has an obligation to provide support for the operation of the government – even if is only via the sales tax. Your example is a ploy at emotional empathy, which a more further investigation of the details most likely would prove to be moot.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
10:31 am

moejoe: how about more details? Typical person you work for – how much to they pay you per return you file? How much do they earn? How many kids? Married? Assets? You fail to provide proper details to substantiate your claims.

leon scott

May 4th, 2010
10:48 am

scott is full of it b.

Get Real America

May 4th, 2010
10:52 am

Ill share a quick little story to add some prospective…

My great grandparents were sharecroppers in south GA. They never owned the land they worked or lived on. They had a large family, mostly boys who worked the farm along side them even from a very young age. Everyone worked to keep food on the table. This type of scenario coined the phrase “dirt poor”. My grandfather finished school and then went into the army during WWII. He fought bravely and earned a bronze star for serving his country. After returning he married my grandmother and worked at a metal press and shear factory for the rest of his employed days. They saved their money purchased a few acres and hand built the house they still live in. They worked a small farm from the few acres to supplement food and to sell anything they couldn’t use. They had 5 children and sold cows and crops to send two to college. The first from the family to ever attend.

The moral of this story is that no one ever gave my family anything that they didn’t break their backs to earn. We didn’t come from old money, we didn’t win the lottery, and despite being “dirt poor” for generations we never asked for a hand out. My grandparents were not wealthy, but they never turned anyone away in need. You can still find older people around that small town that will tell you that my Grandmother made the best egg sandwiches there ever was.

Being a citizen of the United States entitles you to the right to life, liberty, and the “pursuit” of happiness. That is it guarantees you the right to live, be free, and to pursue any course of action within the law to make your living and to be happy. Nowhere does it guarantee you wealth, tv’s, new cars, iphones, jewelery, or any other luxury.

They bible tells us to be charitable according to our means. Those with more should do more according to their own hearts. If you are led to be charitable and to give to those who are less fortunate than you, then do so and be rewarded with the warmth in your heart. No citizen should be forced to be charitable if they don’t feel led to. I have no issue with programs designed to ensure kids are educated, and if need be fed for free at school. I will readily contribute to aid those who are unable to help themselves, the true indigent. I refuse to contribute the dollars that I work hard for 40-50+ hours a week, to those looking to “game” the system. Those who are perfectly able to perform some type of labor, even if its not glamorous but instead choose to stay at home and receive a check for doing nothing. Those who churn out the next generation of government babies in order to receive a larger check. Those who sell the vouchers designed to feed the poor and instead feed a growing chemical habit. How many of us have been in the grocery store only to watch someone pay for a cart full of food with food stamps, only to turn around and pay for two cases of beer and three cartons of cigarettes with a roll of cash two inches thick. Or even better to drive through town only to see someone driving a brand new car pulling into government housing.

Im tired of it and greater America is starting to get sick of it as well.

Liberals want to cry about the evil rich so lets stop and think about the two sources where jobs and income are created in this country:

1. The people with money who build businesses and hire people to work so they can make more money.

2. The local, state, and federal government using taxes collected from those who either own the businesses, invest in the businesses, run the businesses, or work jobs at that business.

This is how America runs people. Its grade school economics.
Now what happens when the entitled leeching masses get so large that the people who do work and contribute cant afford the taxes that the government places on them to fund the programs? They either join the leeching mass or leave the country and take the businesses with them. Take a look at any socialist country in the world and find one that is working. Ask Cuba how well the government works for them. The best and the brightest from those countries left long ago, and most of them ended up here in the land of opportunity. Any takers on why America got to be the best?

Long story short…..Take a sip of coffee, wake up, and get real America. The fork in the road is coming…which road will you take?

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Liberal DUUUUH-

May 4th, 2010
11:46 am

A- Check YOUR figures. The top 1% income producers pay 40% (yes, 40%) of ALL income taxes in the US. Is that enough? Or should they be paying 80%? Maybe 95%, huh? If you look at percentages, yes, the rich pay a lower PERCENTAGE of their incomes in taxes. However, I, like most people who actually PAY taxes don’t necessarily, live by percentages. I couldn’t tell you what percentage of my income goes to taxes (it is too painful to figure), but I DO notice the total dollar figure. When I see $25,000 or $30,000 of my hard-earned money (not given to me, or taken by me, but EARNED by my hard work) going to all of the government vote-buying schemes, it burns me up. When I go to the gorcery store and stand in line behind someone paying for all of their food with food stamps, while I’m clipping coupons, there is something wrong. Make sure you blame every other country’s ills on the US. Oh I forgot, you are a liberal, that means everything is George Bush’s fault. Guess I forgot that one. Fact is- socialism doesn’t work. I hope the rich (I’m not one) keep getting richer because it is they who will provide the jobs and investments to help the poor out of their situation, should they desire to leave their life of dependency. Jeff- The rich have attained their wealth by making smart decisions, like where to base their business and where to keep their money. Why are there so many business moving oversees? Could it be to find a better tax situation? Nahh- Fact is, the rich will always find a way to keep as much of their wealth as possible, which is why they are rich! Just as you would shop around for a better bargain on cat litter, would it make sense that the wealthy will “bargain shop” for locations where they may be taxed less?

Corey

May 4th, 2010
12:51 pm

Warren Buffett, please expain to those lemmings blinded by party loyalty how republican policy continues to transfer public wealth to the wealthy. That’s public wealth, yall. It started back in the 80’s. Roads and bridges continue to crumble. School districts go begging hat in hand. Sidewalks crumble while mcmansion dwellers jockey for a spot on overcrowded freeways to and from work. Urban blight everywhere. No room in the jails bursting at the seams. Parishoners so afraid of people they worship with that they want to carry guns to church. We all want lower taxes because jobs will be plentiful. That’s a myth. When the top tax rate was 90% we never saw unemployment above 5%. Don’t believe me? Ask grandma and grandpa. I’m not advocating higher taxes – just making the point that lower taxes on those at the top does not always translate into jobs aplenty. Mr. Bush’s tax cuts are still in place, and there have been a steady loss of jobs for the last eight years.

retired on the lake

May 4th, 2010
12:57 pm

Liberal DUUUUH- unrestrained capitalism does not work either as all the wealth gets concentrated in very few hands. since Ronald ray guns the middle class has been battered and their buying power diminished. Now an income of 250000 is considered middle class. Just remember the welfare for the rich as we all pay for your unfettered use of roads and airtravel and keeping the US safe so you can enjoy your riches. Back off and take a deep breath as u crawl back into your hateful hole of a home.

JB

May 4th, 2010
1:32 pm

to “publish the state budget”

I’d love to see these overflowing carts of food of the poor–just keep telling yourselves that. Wow. That’s delusional.

There is an obesity epidemic among poor people because often the foods that are affordable to them are not fresh and healthy, but processed crap that is full of empty calories. That’s in the news everywhere and you ought to know that by now.

Liberal DUUUUH-

May 4th, 2010
1:47 pm

Retired on the lake- I’ll agree that unfettered capitalism can run amok. However, I never implied that regulation should be absent. If you think I said that, you might want to go back and reread my last comments; maybe you saw something that you thought I might have written? I’m happy that you have been able to retire on the lake. I hope to do the same someday. But I bet “A” would believe that you stole your retirement money from the mouths of hungry babies, or just simply won life’s lottery; you (I hope) and I know what it took for you to arrive at your destination.

I hope one day that we can abolish the IRS and pass the fair tax whereby everyone can pay his fair share and the government can stop using the tax code to buy votes. If the fair tax existed and EVERYONE paid taxes, a “rebate” for taxes paid by the poor would be a great idea (this is actually included in Boortz’s and Linder’s fair tax proposal). But an income tax rebate for income taxes NOT paid is purely welfare.

On another note, I love how liberals default to the term “hate” when someone disagrees with them. You, Obama and his liberal followers will pull that term out of a hat whenever you have no intelligent response to an argument. Don’t you just HATE me for saying that?

Enjoy your retirement; you worked your butt off for it, I’m sure. Isn’t capitalism great?

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
2:37 pm

JB: If the poor obese, then they can not be starving, yes? Also, the food you describe IS MORE EXPENSIVE, then food bought at the grocery store and cooked at home.
At the lake: $250,000 is NOT middle class – it is upper class.
Proposal: Income tax: All must pay at least 2.5% of income if over 18; 5% if filing a joint return. However, all wage earners receive a 20% income exemption & a standard deduction of $25,000. Take rate is 17% (note: regardless of deductions, all wage earners still must pay 2.5% (5% joint return) of their income in taxes). No itemizing. It would reduce the IRS staff by at least 25%. Eventually, the goal would be to eliminate income tax on non-citizen entities.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
2:38 pm

Also, at the lake: Bill Clinton signing NAFTA had done more to erode earnings, and the entry of female workers into the workforce, thus increasing the supply of laborers exponentially; have also been the prime contributer to the stagnation of wages. Not tax deductions.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
2:41 pm

Corey: You in Georgia, Buddy? Our roads are in fantastic shape. We just don’t have any servicable mass transit – which is a big quality of life negative (if you commute to Atlanta). Also, its not the fellow parishioners that church goers are afraid off – it the unwashed masses you have to mingle with to get to church – or are you really that stupid? Or just one of the brainwashed liberal masses?

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
2:42 pm

Also, Corey: We all want lower taxes because the elitists running the federal government waste way too much of it.

melissa's mom

May 4th, 2010
4:42 pm

My mother, who lived on social security, received the low income tax credit – a whopping $20! The point is, it wasn’t enough to do her any good, but when you add it together with everyone else’ credit, it would be quite a savings for the State. When the state budget is wearing thin, cuts have to be made. Let’s keep what works and get rid of the rest. Just because the “low-income credit” sounds like a wonderful compassionate thing and makes you feel good, that’s not reason enough to keep it in the budget. It’s time to get real.

Paddy O

May 4th, 2010
5:38 pm

Melissa has struck gold: Our almighty elected officials (most in Congress), get great satisfaction from doing very altruistic, generous tasks – especially in foreign, 3rd world countries (Haiti – $1 billion last 4 years). I believe it gives them an oedipus rex syndrome; But, the feds are broke and our taxes are too high. Cut the fat!

oldmanrick

May 5th, 2010
8:07 am

I can not belive he hate in this artical (wait minute) yes I can. Do all of you people know how stupid you sound when you say , they are taking my money away from me. Hell don’t spend it and they want have the tax money to give back. One cent on the dollar is what you are fussing about. How much does that police car cost that you call everytime you hear a bump in the night? How much gas do they burn each and every day to patrol your streets? How about the fire tru\cks you depend on to protect your house when it catches on fire. It will take abour 40,000,000 pennies just to pay for a fire truck, How much do you spend each year on no-food items you can live without?
Most of you are probly in the same group that do not want to show ID to vote. But if some church, club, had a food bank and you had to have a picture ID to get something free, you would put on your sunday best and that new hat and be first in line to get another picture ID for something being give to you.
I think they need to add two cents tax on everything we sell or provide in Ga. to pay for the education system. That way, if you didn’t want to pay the tax. don’t buy anything, its that simple. They need to have a no buy list on items you cand use food stamps on. Anything that is not good for you, you no buy unless you pay for. You don’t have to have 20lbs of ribs to feed the little brats when hotdogs are just about the same, The ribs are for your drinking buddies anyway. Just this time if you want them, you go to work,(oh no, he said the w word) and pay for the ribs out of your pocket.

oldmanrick

May 5th, 2010
8:31 am

Hey Corey, why you blamming old Warren for things you and your kind do. Everything you spoke of is yaws own faught. When you are given something for free or real low priced, you can’t even take care of it. The jails are busting at the seams because the law is doing a good job at catching instead of kiss ass. If you want the jails empty, get your homeboys to act right and don’t do anything wrong, You better be glad Old Joe ain’t got his tent cities in GA. You would be wearing peach colored undies and Listening to Clark 24 hours a day. The school problems are because there are more kids in the school that the parents don’t pay taxes than there are paying taxes. We have to carry our guns in church so we can fight our way back to the cars. We are tired of getting ripped off and shot at by the thugs that work hard at taking from others. If they would make it a 20 years manadatory for car jacking, 40 years for drive bys and death for murder, the jails could be cleaned out. put the rest to work on farms or the side of the road in their peach colored undies. (Have you ever drove by a chain gang? It will change your mind about doing crimes when it is pouring down, muddy, lightning, and your pushing a shovel in a ditch. We ain’t giving nothing to the rich. They have already given to you, they are justtired of giving you so much and you blowing it out your ass.

centeroftheaisle

May 5th, 2010
8:36 am

From what I’ve read this amounts to about $25 per “poor” taxpayer. Why is this left out of the story. It’s not substantial to the individual, but is to the state budget.

Corey

May 5th, 2010
12:26 pm

Oldmanrick, you have lackluster reading skills. I am pointing out that Warren Buffett and others to include Mr. Gates will agree with my position.

Aldread

May 5th, 2010
5:34 pm

At least Sonny didn’t have them pass a tax bill that only affected him this year!! How much did that boondoggle save him a couple years ago? A couple hundred thousand bucks? Nice………

Aldread

May 5th, 2010
5:37 pm

Hey oldmanrick!

You’re lucking bad spelling isn’t a crime! Your first sentence would get you 3 to 5!!!!

See below:

Hey Corey, why you blamming old Warren for things you and your kind do. Everything you spoke of is yaws own faught.

AVERAGE JOE

May 7th, 2010
11:13 am

Tax break for poor = welfare
Tax break for wealthy seniors = ???
Nice double standard there.

Arthur

May 7th, 2010
8:48 pm

Typical Republicans!!!!!! They have to have it all… Sales tax was increased with this provision so that the poor would not be adversely harmed. Lets get rid of the property tax benefits for horse farms. See how “The Cynical White Boy” likes that revenue saver!!!!!

Arthur

May 7th, 2010
8:59 pm

OK “CenteroftheAisle” since $25 is not important to the individual (and I believe that you honestly believe that) Why don’t we propose a $25 budget surtax on GA taxpayers who pay more than $1000 in state income tax. That would be important to the state budget and not substantial to the individual. LOL See how the good ole boys (american hating, conferderate lovers) will like that one.

[...] people are losing their welfare check disguised as a tax [...]

Colleen

July 1st, 2010
1:20 pm

The food taxes are only 2% in the state. Why is it the food stamps card allows people to purchase soda? Why not only foods that really make a difference. I am considered “middle class as a single parent. My rent, 14 year old car, single support of my child – whose dad has not bothered to pay child support ever, does not leave a lot of extras. I do not receive benefits from the state and I DO NOT BUY JUNK FOOD. I do not have a new car. I do not have cable. I have a basic cell plan cheaper than pay as you go and do not use EXCEPT AS NEEDED. I grow small vegetables in pots on my balcony to avoid buying. I have furniture I bought 22 years ago, clothes I have had for ages or once in a while splurge at a thrift store on sale day. I have a vcr with free tapes from Freecycle.org, cassette player with tapes from goodwill. I am not missing out on real life, but I am not paying through the nose either. I am also not asking for “refunds” of money I never paid to start.

How is it we allow the benefits to go for junk causing obesity? How is it all reports say the people using coupons to discount their purchases are not the poor, but the middle class?

Maybe if people started saving what little money they have using coupons and taking time to look at sales where you can get many things free, stop spending on video games, cable tv, etc. their food stamps, govt benefits will help them. Instead they have better lifestyles than some of the “middle class” and it is funded by someone else. When do we realize as a country we are not entitled to have what everyone else has – we are entitled to earn it.

Then we are entitled to SAVE it based upon our actions. Not based upon another refund of money that we never paid anyway. Yes, people are out of work and struggling. Yess, people are losing their homes. How many of us are donating time, effort, etc, at food banks, but know of people still trying to maintain the lifestyle they had before the downturn? Don’t eat fast food. If you feel you must as a break, use coupons. Use your food stamps for real food that actually fills you like fruit, vegetables, meat, milk, beans. Then you won’t always be hungry from only eating noodles that cost as much as green beans on sale and with a coupon. Read from the library, rent movies from the library if you have a dvd player. Grow food on your balcony. Use coupons to have body wash, antiperspirants and more free. If I have $5, but need milk, I can use that $5 with coupons at CVS to get 3 body washes and $8 back in store credit (immedately in form of a coupon) and use it to buy milk, eggs, bacon. That $5 just went much further than buying just the gallon of milk. Why doesn’t everyone make the effort instead of expecting everyone else to keep handing it over? We have one of the lowest tax rates in the country. Tax credits beyond what you paid should never happen.