Gun bill passes House, heads back to Senate

With time running out on this year’s legislative session, the Georgia House has just passed a bill to expand the places where licensed gun owners may carry.

The bill passed 118 to 48. It has to go back to the Senate for approval of some House committee changes.

The bill, sponsored by Sen. Mitch Seabaugh (R-Sharpsburg), would allow licensed gun owners to carry in non-secure areas of airports, in bars where the owners allow it and in the parking lots of colleges, courthouses and jails.

It would eliminate the 1,000-foot limitation on guns at schools and colleges and has been one of the most hotly debated bills of the 2010 General Assembly session, which ends at midnight today.

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April 29th, 2010
3:16 pm

I like the part about carrying the guns inside of bars and being able to wear my sidearm while partaking in my favorite alcoholic beverage. Though, I should have the right to discharge my sidearm inside the bar while drinking without penalty as well, just as long as I don’t INTENTIONALLY hit anyone while shooting. But the right to carry guns should have been expanded to include the INSIDE of hospitals, churches, schools, colleges and most importantly inside the House and Senate chambers of the State Capitol! I hear the inside of the Gold Dome can be an especially dangerous place with those “gun-control” and marxist big government wealth-redistribution lowlifes constantly on the prowl!

retiredds

April 29th, 2010
3:23 pm

Check the bank accounts of those in the hip-pocket of the NRA. Next step is to have all elementary school children be licensed to carry.

anon

April 29th, 2010
3:37 pm

retiredds — you don’t need to bribe reps when you have a majority of voters on your side. The NRA controls a lot of votes, and if they were to come out against a Republican candidate, it could kill them in the primary in many places in Georgia. Those reps are just doing what their constituents want.

Besides, only law-abiding citizens over the age of 21 can get permits. And the criminals don’t respect the gun laws anyway. My prediction — no increase in gun crimes in the areas newly made legal for licensed carry. That’s what happened last time (2 years ago). Before that last bill passed, which legalized carry on public transportation and in restaurants that serve alcohol, the AJC was running editorials and quotes from democrats predicting shootouts in Applebee’s and wild west on Marta. But none of that came true. Same will happen this time.

Fred

April 29th, 2010
3:46 pm

Right on Anon

Stephen

April 29th, 2010
3:48 pm

retiredds this was not a NRA bill(although they will try to take credit) this is a bill from Georgians wanting to move past our Jim Crowe past(all gun control is racist) and to make self defense anywhere in a non secured area legal.

The_Brian

April 29th, 2010
3:48 pm

Make sure you actually read and comprehend what it says, please. This bill states that you MAY carry a firearm into a bar IF the owner allows it.

Tim Parker

April 29th, 2010
3:59 pm

The NRA was MIA during all meetings regarding discussion of SB308. If you want to be mad at a group, be mad at GeorgiaCarry.org.
Law abiding, properly licensed citizens carrying firearms are no danger to society in any of the dozens of states that recognize the freedoms expanded in SB308….. Georgia should be no different.

mark gilbert

April 29th, 2010
4:06 pm

remember the laws are honest people

ProGunner

April 29th, 2010
4:13 pm

I predict this will elicit the usual cries of: Blood in the streets! Dodge City! School shootings! Blah blah blah….
How many times have the anti-gunners predicted this?
How many times has it actually HAPPENED?
Well…? None, zero, zilch, nada, NEVER… Crime statistics back this FACT up.
Every time honest citizens gain back more of the right to bear arms that is declared in the Constitution but still limited by our government, the liberals whine and cry and complain that innocents will die.
Guess what? Innocents ARE dying. Innocent, law-abiding men, women, and children are being victimized by low-life criminals who don’t CARE what the law says. They want what they want and will perpetrate any heinous act to obtain the object of their desire, no matter who gets hurt in the process.
It’s about time the odds are evened by expanding the ability of the law abiding to fight back against the criminals that attack, kill, rob, and rape the innocent with impunity in our society.

Interested Party

April 29th, 2010
4:24 pm

If it does pass the Senate today, what is the effective date…..this July 1st or next year sometime?

Base

April 29th, 2010
4:27 pm

Thanks to Mitch and Tim we will be able to carry our gun into a bar. Great!

Thomas

April 29th, 2010
4:41 pm

An 11 year study of Texas CHL holders (their version of GFL) showed the total CONVICTED of any crime at all was less than one half of one percent. New Hampshire citizens can carry a firearm everywhere in the state except a courtroom. Are we Georgians lesser more violent beings than residents of these two states? Laws punish offenders they don’t prevent crime. If you want to reduce crime make the criminals workplace a more hostile environment. Stop providing them “All the victims you care to do anything to” aka “Gun Free Zones” that guarantee no one will be able to fight back. Criminals love gun control it makes their job safe and easy. All the cries of “Wild West” and “Blood in the Streets” was just media driven hysteria and the only group that violated the new laws HB 89 gave us two years ago was the MARTA Police. This much ado about nothing, in 2 years nobody will remember SB 308 because like HB 89 nothing bad will come of it.

The Snark

April 29th, 2010
4:43 pm

The problem with all you pro-gun “let’s carry ‘em everywhere” crowd is that you’re all law-abiding citizens who don’t cause trouble. Seriously, no sarcasm. You don’t have a clue about criminals, how they think (when they do at all), where they get their weapons, etc.

Notice how people close to the reality of crime and gunshot wounds — law enforcement and emergency medical professionals — are never out there advocating for greater access to firearms and expansion of concealed weapons? Every wonder why?

Tim

April 29th, 2010
4:52 pm

Actually “The Snark” Many Chief Chief Law Enforcement Officers’s and EMT’s do strongly advocate arming LAW ABIDING citizens.

Great News and Thanks to our Reps for getting this through!

mark gilbert

April 29th, 2010
5:15 pm

but when u disarm lawful people u leave the bg with weapons

CocaColaJunkie

April 29th, 2010
5:56 pm

In my opinion, this bill is a step in the right direction. Georgia’s gun laws as they are fall into a ‘grey’ area, that are mostly enforced by interpretation of the responding officers. This state needs clear, informative instruction on where weapons are allowed. If you have a license to operate a motor vehicle, is the general public worried that it *might* jump into gear and start running over folks? Why should our Georgia Firearms License be any different? We have had our background reviewed, and it is clean…. we are not the enemy, we are not the ones breaking the law. Guns are out there, used by criminals and by law abiding citizens. BUT there is a definite difference in the mentality of the person who carries. When is the last time you saw a BG/robber open carry a pistol before he robs a place? I would be more than happy to put my life in the hands of a licensed firearm holder if someone was holding up the QT I stopped at to get my 3am coffee. I would rather have a chance (to defend myself or have someone stop a forceable felony) than to get shot because the robber didn’t think I had enough money in my wallet. Bottom line is when all the guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.

The_Brian

April 29th, 2010
6:12 pm

Once again, BASE. It will only be legal to carry a gun into a bar IF the owner says you can.

Ray

April 29th, 2010
6:16 pm

Criminals don’t follow laws that why they are criminal. If he/she decides they want to shoot up a school, church, bar, or whatever they’re going to do it, it doesn’t matter what the law says. I should be able to protect myself, my family, or anyone else should a situation like that arise.

[...] Looks like we’re getting a lot closer to passage. It looks like it’ll be a done deal to me. I’m glad to see the 1000 foot from a school nonsense eliminated. How is one supposed to know when one is within 1000 feet of a school? I live that close to one too, but you’d never know it. If PA had such a law, I couldn’t carry or transport guns. In fact, without an LTC, you’re technically in violation carrying a gun on the street outside my house. You can’t see the school, but it’s there. [...]

Stephen

April 29th, 2010
6:18 pm

“A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniencies, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, and dares say to reason, `Be thou a slave’; who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.”

.Cesare Beccaria 1764.

DJ Sniper

April 29th, 2010
6:44 pm

Why is it we are one step closer to being able to carry guns inside a bar, yet we still can’t buy alcohol on Sunday?

WM

April 29th, 2010
7:33 pm

Long overdue……touché!

Evan

April 29th, 2010
7:57 pm

This is largely thanks to the guys at georgiacarry.org. The NRA had very little to do with this bill, actually.

Stephen

April 29th, 2010
8:19 pm

Annie Ethel

April 29th, 2010
8:34 pm

blah blah blah – I’m trying to get to the people from GeorgiaCarry.org who came to the committee meetings.
You knew that that at some point, a bill would be presented, it would conform to what would be a workable bill for the citizens of Georgia regardless of their position on the issue, but it would NOT be what the attorney with you would want. The proposed substitute on SB 308 is exactly that bill.
You have to decide – do you want a law that works, and will not take up the court’s time, or do you want to cater to the desires of lawyers who want to argue in appellate courts. You can look at the Supreme court, look at the likely appointees by President Obama, and decide if this is the time to take this issue to the court.

Josh

April 29th, 2010
11:29 pm

In reply to an above post stating “emergency medical professionals don’t want this”, I as a medical professional refute this. I am a EMT and Registered Nurse and not ony advocate law abiding citizens being armed, I am one.

All my friends who are Law Enforcement also like this bill and encourage people to protect themselves.

Lysander

April 29th, 2010
11:56 pm

Well, with all due respect to The Snark, by girlfriend, a Nurse Practitioner at a Level 1 Traumer center, and her mother, also an NP in a Level 1 Trauma Center, are both going with me to buy their first pistols for concealed carry.

My Doctor neighbor also wants advice on a good pistol for her to carry with her GFL.

While their professional associations may be anti-gun, it certainly doesn’t make all, or even a majority of their members anti-gun.

As far as Politically Appointed Police Chiefs, if you really think someone like former Chief Pennington deciding what rights you should and should not have, might I invite you to buy a ticket to North Korea or China, which may be more in line with your beliefs? Me, I’ll keep my ability to defend myself and my loved ones.

Alice Johnson

April 30th, 2010
12:54 am

I have decided that the gentlemen of GeorgiaCarry.org are ….right. I am going to become a gun rights advocate and activist from this day forward. Thank you Georgia Carry. I have seen the light.

AJ

PS – Can you please recommend a good range – and what is better 9mm or .40 caliber? Thank you.

Craig

April 30th, 2010
1:33 am

Alice,

Glad you will become an advocate/activist with the rest of us! While I am not a representative, I am a proud member of the organization! Do please visit GeorgiaCarry.org and consider joining us! A small membership fee goes a long way to restoring our rights.

As for a good range, it depends where you live. There’s Autrey’s in Fayetteville, American Classic in Norcross, and a new range opening in Sandy Springs in a couple of months.

As for the question of 9mm or .40, it’s whatever you feel most comfortable with! Rent both, try them out, and see what you like best.

Owl

April 30th, 2010
2:13 am

Craig, I’m thinking that perhaps “Alice” isn’t feeling herself tonight. LOL

riggz

April 30th, 2010
9:24 am

Another EMT here who carries daily and yes I do work gunshot victims quite often. The Snark, I don’t think YOU really know how criminals get guns. They buy them off the street or are passed around after they have been used in a crime. So why should I have to walk around unarmed while the criminals are armed and have ill intentions?

Clonal

April 30th, 2010
10:29 am

Laws don’t deter criminals. Guns deter criminals.

Good job GCO.

Steve

April 30th, 2010
10:35 am

The idea they wasted time on this bill is ridiculous. Read the Constitution.The U.S. Constitution states: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Is that hard to understand? Georgia Constitution: Paragraph VIII. Arms, right to keep and bear. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne.” Now, does anyone see a problem here? Our Constitution, Georgia, states that no one will infringe on that right, and in the very next line, the Georgia Assembly infringes on that right. Compare that to Vermont’s Constitution, Article 16. Right to bear arms; standing armies; military power subordinate to civil. “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State – and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.That is GREAT, simple and to the point, and Vermont’s General Assembly does not interfere with that right.

Only three states have it right, Alaska, Vermont, and just added, Arizona. No license required to carry a concealed weapon in those states. Do some states require a license for the revenue? Kind of like taxing a Constitutionally protected right. Imagine getting a license to speak to your neighbor.

I am sure it’s just a matter of time before someone will challenge the Georgia constitution against the U.S. Constitution. To own a weapon is a right, not a privilege. That weapon should be able to go with you where you go, with the only limitations being that of the owner of the property in which you are carrying that gun. An easy way to explain it is comparing the 1st and 2nd amendments of the U.S. constitution. I have the right to freedom of speech, however, if you do not like what I say in your house, you ask me to leave. Same with my right to carry a weapon. If you don’t want me to carry it in your house you ask me to leave. With that in mind, consider the thought process Georgia uses for the right to bear arms and use it for speech. Speech, you have the right to free speech in the state of Georgia,but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe where that speech shall be spoken.

It use to be Remember the Alamo, it’s soon to be Remember America

Zander

April 30th, 2010
10:58 am

This will be great! I am waiting on my carry permit! The more people that can carry the safer Georgia will be! Thank you law makers!

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N Ming

June 17th, 2010
9:17 am

Why do the libs always try to create confusion through emotionalisim while ignoring facts?
This law simply re-inforces a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS .
Does any one believe that if this law would be voted down that criminials will no longer carry weapons?

N Ming

June 17th, 2010
9:23 am

I have had a licesense to carry for over 40 yrs , I can personally attest to two incidents during that time that saved me and my family from grave harm because I was armed.In each incident NO ONE WAS HARMED,my weapon was only shown to the assailant ,THEY RAN AWAY.

Fang1944

August 1st, 2010
3:32 pm

Somebody mentioned how well things went in Texas. From an article in the LA Times published in 2000:

About 215,000 Texans are currently licensed to carry concealed weapons. The state concedes that more than 400 were licensed despite prior convictions, and more than 3,000 other licensees have since been arrested.