Senate votes today on cutting income tax credit for the poor

In the past few weeks lawmakers have approved legislation to cut the capital gains tax on stocks and bonds in half. They also have voted to eliminate taxes on upper-income retirees.

Today, the Senate is scheduled to vote on legislation that would cut low-income tax credits to a million Georgians who have incomes below $20,000. The tax credits are worth about $5 to $26 per person.

The tax credit measure is brainchild of Rep. David Knight  (R-Griffin), who argues that there are no other, similar tax credits for people who don’t earn enough money to have a tax liability. However, the state allows some corporations to receive similar tax credits. Both programs cost the state more than $20 million per year. Knight’s bill would not impact the corporate income tax credits.

Knight’s bill failed to get out of the House, so the Senate Finance Committee allowed him to attach it to another, uncontroversial tax bill.

When asked about the move, Senate Finance Chairman Ronnie Chance (R-Tyrone), said, “We needed to get it out of the committee.”

Sen. George Hooks (D-Americus), the dean of the Senate, shook his head when asked about the low-income tax credit cut. “And at the same time, we’re giving tax breaks to trillionaires on Sea Island.”

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S.Turnage

April 21st, 2010
10:13 am

Actually, it would be cheaper to help low-income people with a direct payment than processing it through the tax system. It probably costs about as much to process a return as it does to fund the tax payment.

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Don Juan

April 21st, 2010
10:19 am

It’s not about race anymore, it’s about class. Cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations, eliminate $26 tax credits for the least of us. Seems as if some only practice their Christian ways on Sunday. Wow!

David Smith

April 21st, 2010
10:34 am

So, lets see if I understand this. Cut taxes for those who can afford to save their money (not much investing going on right now, though that is changing) to nothing, giving them more to save. Cut tax credits to nothing for those who spend every dime, nickel and penny they can get their fingers on. And wonder why the transfer of wealth from the backs of the working poor to the bank accounts of wealthy retirees is not stimulating the economy. Oh, and lets not forget corporate welfare, subsidizing profit making businesses in the hope that they will increase jobs, when almost always they just increase bonuses to, um, the people who save their money, and increase dividends when the businesses actually pay them. Still no job increases there. Now, if you tie tax credits and subsidies to actual job creation (outside C and vice-C row, and manager row), then there will actually be economic expansion as a result of tax policy. But no, that is not the Reaganomics way, that is the Keynesian way, and we all know that Reagonomics is far superior to that which was the economics policy basis of our expansion until we elected President Reagan.

Sonny

April 21st, 2010
10:35 am

I’m gonna pray for all the poor folks, then take’em fishin!!!!!!

Former Revenue Employee

April 21st, 2010
10:36 am

How much difference does it really make to those who receive these Credits? If they can afford a computer, a cell phone and internet access, then $26 dollars is not what they need.

JJ

April 21st, 2010
10:38 am

Many people are 1 pay check away from being homeless. That is a sad fact. Yet these crooks in the legislature continue to pamper the wealthy and their desires. If we continue to elect these incorrigible incumbents from either pathetic party then the blame is on us. If there was one, just one honest “lawmaker” in Atlanta I believe we would have heard from them by now. They would be screaming about all the corruption. They all are on the take. I would rather be robbed by a thug from the projects than by these crooks. Ray Boyd, is my pick for Governor. He is the only one I see that at least understands the corruption in Atlanta. Johnny Hayes Mitchell County Georgia

Cutty

April 21st, 2010
10:39 am

Former Employee- And there are those that have none of those creature comforts that the rest of us have. Nice way to group everyone into one category though.

Webb from WEESeeYou.com

April 21st, 2010
10:40 am

Yeah, that $26 goes a mighty-long ways….

George James

April 21st, 2010
10:41 am

What a world we live in people get some facts in your dumb head,you may have fished to long already.

Poor people stink

April 21st, 2010
10:43 am

Lets cut the federal earned income credit also which should be renamed the un-earned income credit. Why reward people for downloading babies they cannot afford? We should adminster an IQ test and if people score below a certain level they should be offered $50,000 from the gubment to be sterilized. It would be cheaper in the long run.

Romeo Tango

April 21st, 2010
10:44 am

Former Employee don’t forget flat screen tv’s. The pawn shop dealers always knows when winter is over and summer beings. They bring in their room heaters and trade them in on room ac’s. They very seldon give up their luxury items unless they need drug money.

Joseph

April 21st, 2010
10:45 am

This isn’t a tax increase, though, just another “fee”.

maryanne

April 21st, 2010
10:46 am

The hypocrisy of the Republicans continues to astound me. Of course, they will keep on shouting “Jesus” when they are running for election, and people will vote for them. Then they will turn around and do the exact opposite of what Jesus would do. Sadly, there is no one with any power who is representing the poor, weak and powerless, which is the very group toward which Jesus showed compassion.

Romeo Tango

April 21st, 2010
10:48 am

Don’t look to government to fix your problems. They are the reason all the jobs left the country. They lowered all the incomming terrifs so that their friends in big industry could move to a third world nations and make a bigger profits. We use to have plenty of jobs in this country except for those that didn’t want to work so we created welfare so they wouldn’t have to pick up trash on the side of the road to make a living, that’s too demeaning.

dentster

April 21st, 2010
10:48 am

The tax credit is not worth the administrative cost of giving it. It is such a small amount that it doesn’t do anything to help the poor so cut it. the real problem is the tax cuts to the capital gains tax. These taxes should not be cut nor should the taxes for the upper extremes of income. I pay them (well capital gains) myself and I don’t mind the tax rate.

Seedy

April 21st, 2010
10:50 am

Taxes on corporations need to be cut . Corporations are owned by hard working stock holders like you and me and they provide jobs for Americans.

Romeo Tango

April 21st, 2010
10:50 am

Yeah, all you White, Christian, Conservative males. We don’t need you anymore. Get out of our country, we have the government to take care of us now that all the jobs are gone.

gttim

April 21st, 2010
10:53 am

Republican’s true colors keep showing. Cut taxes to corporations- 2/3rds of which currently pay no Federal Taxes. Cut taxes on the wealthy. Give more tax loopholes to the wealthy. Yet, let eliminate any help for the unfortunate, lower income people. Just what Jesus would do! These Republicans running Georgia are truly scum of the earth.

cry me a river

April 21st, 2010
10:53 am

Maybe people should stop their complaining and actually try contributing to society. I forgot, they would rather just live off of handouts and say its someone else’s fault. This is America. We are a capitalist country. Hard work = rewards. Lazy = poverty. pretty simple concept

Gary

April 21st, 2010
10:55 am

Well as usual the Republicans keep finding a way to keep the rich richer and put the working man in the street! This really isn’t much of a stretch for them. I think if it came down to it….. a Rich Republican would steal the last dime from the poor mans hand in front of a crowd of people in broad daylight. They keep going and that will pretty much sum it up.

Sick&Tired

April 21st, 2010
10:56 am

The people running the state of Georgia are a bunch of hateful losers. You want to take away $26.00 from a person earning $20,000 or less? But, cut taxes for retired people who earn “Significantly” more than $20,000. Who are these people? Aliens. Definitely someone from another planet.

Joe

April 21st, 2010
10:56 am

This is a good idea. This tax credit goes for people who don’t pay taxes anyway. Why should they get more free money without having to work for it???? It’s becoming more and more sickening that people leech off the government and those actually having to foot the bill get nothing in return….

JJ

April 21st, 2010
10:56 am

In many posts some of you seem to throw all poor people in the same “bag”. There are many hard working, law abiding poor people. Their lot in life has been tough. Very tough. Don’t punish them with the worthless. If some of you can’t see the lunacy of tax credits for the wealthy, big corporations, etc. and cutting tax credit for the poor (no matter how small the credit) then we truly deserve the clowns we elect. However, one day the worm may turn and you may be on the outside looking in. Then what? Johnny Hayes Mitchell County Georgia Home of hard workers and just plain good folks!

Hon

April 21st, 2010
10:57 am

Where in the constitution (Fed or State) does is say the anyone is entitled to free stuff from the Govt?

The General

April 21st, 2010
11:00 am

@ DAVID SMITH (second comment)

I quote the following from your post, “So, lets see if I understand this. Cut taxes for those who can afford to save their money (not much investing going on right now, though that is changing) to nothing, giving them more to save. ”

No, you obviously DON’T understand this. The people you refer to as ‘those who can afford to save’ are not paying ‘nothing’ as you state. These people pay an inordinate amount of their income to support the almost 50% of the people in this country who pay nothing in income tax. You need to actually look at some facts and figures before you go around making a fool of yourself in public forums.

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:00 am

Another Republican SMACK at the less fortunate … so what’s new!! Republicans have never been known for being a Party of Heart that’s for sure!!

Screw’em!

Hates Republicans

April 21st, 2010
11:00 am

Said it before and say it again – show me a Republican that cares about the ones who struggle from paycheck to paycheck just to survive and I promise you they are not Republicans except in name only. Cut the MARTA system so the struggler can’t get to work but do they care – heck no – they got their brand new luxury cars to get them where they want to go; that $26 is probably what allows them to get a loaf of bread and milk. And “Poor People Stink” – no – they smell of soap and water while you fat cats smell of high priced perfume and after shave – and probably don’t bathe but every other day since you don’t sweat at work – you got your poor people to do the work while you reap the big fat bonuses; if it wasn’t for the poor people busting their A** for you your business wouldn’t be successful and then no fat bonuses would be there. The God I know and worship wouldn’t approve of your ways.

hdhd

April 21st, 2010
11:01 am

Tax cuts: taking less of people’s money away.
Ending tax credits: giving less of other people’s money away.

Ending all tax credits will go a long way to ending the welfare state and dependency on the government. I wish the Federal government would take the hint as well.

“Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.” –Oliver Wendell Holmes. So if you don’t pay taxes, how can you ever be expected to be part of civilized society?

JJ

April 21st, 2010
11:03 am

Hon. Your question reminds me of the scene in “A Few Good Men”. “Where in the manual does it say how to get to the chow hall?”

UGA Alum

April 21st, 2010
11:04 am

Gee I guess they will have $5 to $26 less to buy their alcohol, smokes, and lottery tickets.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:04 am

If corporate taxes are cut that means more corporate profits which means stock prices will go up which means stock holders (alot of us) can make more money. Why should we (stockholders) give money to the government when we already pay income taxes?

DannyX

April 21st, 2010
11:08 am

“So if you don’t pay taxes, how can you ever be expected to be part of civilized society?”

Wow! That sounds so very Christ-like. This why the Bible Belt has a special connection to God, (except the poor people.)

Was this from a Sunday sermon?

Joe

April 21st, 2010
11:08 am

I’m amazed at the libs on here making assertions that Republicans hate poor people. We certainly don’t but the simple fact is that if certain waste doesn’t get cut from the state budget layoffs for state employees will ensue. This of course in turn will result in more poor people leeching off the government…

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:09 am

SOMEBODY NEEDS to cut these guys salaries and take away their EXPENSE BUDGET … BEFORE they cut taxes for those in need!!!

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:09 am

Pubs don’t hate poor people they just love themselves more!

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:10 am

Hey, Sick and Tired: The many of the retired people are already being “double taxed” on 85% of their social security income. Oh, and by the way, should we tax the retired people who fought in WWII to save our country so you could post articles freely on a blog like this without fear of being hung for your comments?

Corey

April 21st, 2010
11:11 am

I’m afraid that disparraging the poor is becoming all too fashionable here in our Georgia theocracy. It is absolutely lazy thinking to conclude that all poor people are lazy and rely on government handouts. There are plenty of our fellow Gerogians who work hard everyday for $8.50/hr. without health care and other benefits. Some are attending community colleges at night while taking care of their families. In my profession I see this on a daily basis. But I will not argue with you fools who generalize all too often.

demsuxs

April 21st, 2010
11:12 am

we just need the fair tax so everybody pays regardless of race, class or whatever. 13% tax on everything then we get all the tax money we need and get rid of all the goverment tax agency people. a win win situation…….

Whatever

April 21st, 2010
11:12 am

If the maximum tax credit is $26 and it’s costing the state more than $20 million a year, that means that close to a million households are claiming this credit. I don’t believe for one minute that close to a million households in this state are in such dire straits that $26 is the difference between food and hunger.

Artie

April 21st, 2010
11:13 am

Geez…let ‘em keep the $26!!!!!

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:14 am

Uh, Social Security being taxed … ANOTHER Republican move in 1983!!

Signed into law by another Republican President (Reagan) and passed by a majority Republican congress …

Like I said, so what’s new!! Republicans are not concerned about the seniors of the less fortunate … it’s all aobut WHAT CAN I DO FOR ME, ME, AND ME AGAIN!

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:16 am

Whatever … you hit that nail right on the head!!

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
11:17 am

A tax credit is a misnomer. I have a problem when I already pay 20k+ in taxes & the DemoRats think that I can afford to pay more??? Why give a tax refund to those who do not pay any taxes??? Funny to see the liberals complaining about the poor in America. If you want to see what a true poor person looks like visit third world countries.

I'm not part of the 47% who pay no tax!

April 21st, 2010
11:18 am

Kinda like the Obama tax cut I supposed received that put an extra $5 per week in my paycheck but cost me money when I filed my 1040?

Abolish the current system and put in a flat sales tax. Everybody pays no matter who you are… You make cash under the table? You pay! You take your clothes off for money? You pay! You’re a drug dealer? You pay!

Those who have no skin in the game don’t care how much government spending costs the rest of us.

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
11:19 am

BTW: I do more for poor people than 95% of the liberals on here. I prefer to donate my hard earned income directly to those in need as opposed to the government doing this.

Reality

April 21st, 2010
11:20 am

God – this State is being totally destroyed by these republicans. Does this REALLY make sense to any reasonable person?

Cut taxes for the wealthy. Increase taxes (or cut tax credits) for the poor. THIS is the republican mantra.

VOTE OUT REPUBLICANS!

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:21 am

We don’t live in a third world country we live in America WHERE Republicans have NEVER stood for giving back but TAKING every way they can.

By the way, you pay taxes based on your income … I wish WE CALL COULD PAY THAT MUCH … means we all would be doing well ($20,000) a year in taxes paid says you should being worrying about your next meal!!!!

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
11:21 am

So, these people spend $26 less on Pick-3’s this week – big deal. Collectively, it is more important for the state to save $20 million that for these households to have $5 – $26. Anyone who wants them to have it, can throw an extra $26 in the collection plate on Sunday to be given to low income families.

Ted Striker

April 21st, 2010
11:23 am

demsuxs

April 21st, 2010
11:24 am

hell lets vote all of them out of office rep. and dem. they all sux and are screwing our state up bad. sonny is the worst gov. ga has had since jimmy carter was gov..

Just Saying

April 21st, 2010
11:24 am

How about the state government get 5% and the federal government get 5% of everyone’s check that way it will say equal no matter how much money an individual earns.

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:24 am

A lot of collection plates for the poor are about those in need who ALREADY GET THAT LITTLE BIT OF a tax cut of $26!! Stop your nonsense!

Say wha?!

April 21st, 2010
11:25 am

This state is going to resemble India in just a few short years. But maybe then, we can attract some low-paying high tech jobs and call centers.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:27 am

I guess all the rich people in this world did not work hard for their money. If we equalize everything then there would be no reason for anyone to achieve the higher careers such as doctors, lawyers scientists, etc… and when we get sick or sued we will just be out of luck.

TOBE

April 21st, 2010
11:31 am

“Don’t worry about the mule, just load the wagon”………

A Democrat

April 21st, 2010
11:31 am

“There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.” Deuteronomy 15:11

I guess the so-called Christians in the GOP forgot or has never read this verse.

Gwinnett Mom

April 21st, 2010
11:32 am

This seems like a shortsighted move to me. Poor people spend the money, thus boosting the economy. While I doubt most poor people will go out an splurge on alcohol just because they received $26 even those of you against the tax credit seem to agree that poor people will spend the money on something (btw lottery ticket money goes back to the state anyway). So, basically, businesses will lose sales, and they will pay less taxes. If conservatives are all for tax cuts and supply side economics, then this is a textbook example.

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:32 am

No one says that the rich didn’t work hard … it says that they don’t care about others like they do themselves.

What shows up for Pubs most of the time they talk about stuff like this is GREED!

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
11:33 am

WOW what a bunchful of hateful jerks all of you are towards the poor. My household income dropped 60K in Dec 08 when my husband lost his job due to being arrested & he is now in prison. Someone want to explain to me how his crime is my fault & why it makes you feel better about yourselves to look down on me & my children. BTW I can’t find a job, I’ve looked & it probably doesn’t help that I haven’t worked in 8 yrs when I became a SAHM. Also the state of GA kept the small refund of less than $50 for tax yr 09.

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:34 am

By the way, working hard is also something that can be said for those making $20,000 or less!!! It seems here that all of you Pubs believe that they don’t because they are not in a higher income bracket … that’s total BS!

Flat tax please

April 21st, 2010
11:38 am

What could be more simple and fair than a true flat tax? EVERYBODY pays the same percentage. No deductions for children, mortgages, charitable contributions, no Earned Income Tax Credit which allows people to get back more than they have paid in (that one really makes me fume). If you make a little you pay a little, if you make millions you pay more. So simple!!

blackprix

April 21st, 2010
11:38 am

True Christians understand the meaning of helping one another … ONLY when you are a wealthy Republican does that not hold true!

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:38 am

Ok, so now it is ok to judge the rich but not the poor.

JJ

April 21st, 2010
11:39 am

This issue is not about liberal/conservative. It is about right/wrong. In some of you, your mind’s eye sees all poor people as unemployed, drug users/sellers, pimps, etc. I believe you need to understand that some poor people work long and hard and struggle pay check to pay check. They are law abiding and try to be good parents. Why take away a meager tax credit for them? I’m a conservative but I know good and decent poor people exist.

matchtuff

April 21st, 2010
11:41 am

But the Republicans want to stop abortions and save all these babies but who is going to pay for them. A hot mess.

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tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:43 am

Maybe we wouldn’t have to stop the abortions if there weren’t so many pregnacies.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:45 am

That’s backwards, I mean maybe if there weren’t so many pregnancies we could stop the abortions.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
11:45 am

Taxman~who said anything about judging the rich?

The state needs to stop kissing corporate a** & start taxing them on their profits/income. All the movies that are filmed in GA should be taxed as well. Stop offering filmmakers incentives because you say “filming a movie here brings in income/taxes in other areas”. True & then as soon as the movie wraps it’s gone.

Jerome

April 21st, 2010
11:46 am

I dont know of a single college educated person that makes under 20000 a year. So should the poor be called uneducated or “unfortunate”?

tyrace

April 21st, 2010
11:47 am

am about to save everydime the rich get richer and the poor live a hard life.

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
11:47 am

SAHM? Smart-Assed Hootchie Mama?

Jerome

April 21st, 2010
11:48 am

I dont think that there are many people making under 20000 file taxes anyway.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:49 am

Dontjudge: check out “blackprix” a few post back

G19

April 21st, 2010
11:49 am

If you don’t pay ANY income tax how can you get a tax credit.

jack stilton

April 21st, 2010
11:49 am

They could have bought a carton of cigarettes with that money!

emack06

April 21st, 2010
11:51 am

@ Hon,

Actually the constitution does…The preamble reads “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the <>, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The <> part means the U.S. government does hold some responsibility in assisting the least of us. So, the government is well within the constitution to use tax dollars to establish programs to help the poor.

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
11:52 am

There is no overflowing bucket of gold at the end of the rainbow, people – we can’t keep throwing more and more of our money in the government till to be redistributed. The time has come where it is impossible to keep doing this. We need to cut services, eliminate wasteful policies, consolidate overlapping services, and, sorry, say “no” to certain segments of society.

extremerightwing

April 21st, 2010
11:52 am

ok you econ experts complaining about corporations not paying taxes. you do understand corporations don’t pay taxes in the first place. the taxes are factored into the operating costs of the business and passed on to the consumer.

emack06

April 21st, 2010
11:52 am

Where you see in my previoius post, replace it with “General Welfare” AJC stripped it out.

Let me guess...

April 21st, 2010
11:54 am

The republicans?

Lets see… the poor man gets a 5-26 dollar tax break on his annual taxes and its too much…. the well off have plenty of tax shelters and loop holes, yet the lawmakers have approved legislation to cut the capital gains tax on stocks and bonds in half. They also have voted to eliminate taxes on upper-income retirees….

WTF is wrong with this picture?

How in the hell do republicans get in office anyway?

tax man

April 21st, 2010
11:54 am

If the corporations are taxed more that means less jobs and more government handouts. If the government was a profit making business everyone would have to earn what they are given. For the ones who can’t work there is disability. If you think the corporations are making too much money, who do you think owns the corporations? It’s mostly “We the people”.

Sandy Spring For Roy Barnes

April 21st, 2010
11:56 am

Vote the Republicans out the office…You see what they doing getting richer and poorer are suffering…I hope the republicans lose they jobs to see how it feel to suffer.

Vote for Roy Barnes

Don't talk to me about "unfortunate"

April 21st, 2010
11:56 am

Wahhhhhhhhh.

They have stayed in school and graduated when they had the chance.

The world needs toilet cleaners too.

I’ll give them the $26 when they must show proof of at least $30,000 in earnings in order to buy lotto and movie tickets and malt liquor.

The Dems who keep quoting the bible make me laugh.
If they want to help the poor then they can vonunteer for Habitat for Humanity, Hosea’s Feed the Useless and they gave voluntarily give the bum with a sign $5.

I just paid almost $1000 to Uncle Sam last week.

I get to hand over another $300 to Georgia for my car tag.

I pay too much. They pay NOTHING!

SMK

April 21st, 2010
11:56 am

Jerome – People makig under $20K file tax returns because they can make thousands of dollars by doing so. I have no problems with the poor paying no taxes, or getting tax credits to reduce their taxes. I do have a problem with any type of credit (earned income, for example) that allows them to be paid money that they didn’t pay in the first place. In other words – it’s not a refund. It’s taking my taxes and giving them to somebody else. If people need financial assistance, they should get it through the systems that are designed to handle that, not through the tax system.

Don't talk to me about "unfortunate"

April 21st, 2010
11:57 am

lots of typos…. my apologies.

Ray

April 21st, 2010
11:57 am

If they are trying to spur crime, they’re doing a great job.

Casey D

April 21st, 2010
11:58 am

That is typical of the Republicans, give the FAT CATS a tax break, but TAX the POOR. How about this, let’s impose a 99% tax rate on anyone making over 500K per year? Make it so….

G19

April 21st, 2010
11:58 am

As a fiscal conservative, social moderate and small business owner I think we should help the poor and needy thru charities not an inefficient government bureaucratic program. I get tired working 60 plus hours a week and all it gets me is more taxes. I would rather help someone directly then send it to DC to be dolled out. Just FYI how much did the VP give to charities this year, less then 5K. Of course he and barry are all about socialism and redistribution. One day all these small business owners are just going to give it up and then who will pay for the social programs

KP

April 21st, 2010
11:58 am

I vote to say no to PFATS

The poor are too stupid to make monay

April 21st, 2010
11:58 am

I neads to git me sum of dat Obamma munee.

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
11:59 am

To “Let Me Guess”: Republicans get in office because they represent the views of the majority of the voters. Reality hurts, don’t it?

Flo-Ri-Duh!

April 21st, 2010
12:00 pm

I say cut the politcians pay checks 10% for each 1% downturn in the job growth in Georgia and maybe thye will “feel the pain” and pass some tax laws that make sense. Rebates to the poor will help them but don’t belong in the tax code. Just send them a check for $25.00 as long as the economy is down – not forever. As for cutting cap gains to millionaires and raising property taxes on the mid income – that makes about as much sense as all this lobbyist money Saxby Chambliss is getting. We need TERM LIMITS NOW. Eight years max for the Senate and the House. If it is good enough for the President – it is good enough for the rest bellying up to the feed bowl. Where is Ross Perot when we need him?

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
12:02 pm

Not giving someone free money is not the same as taking from them. Why do we punish people in this society who set goals and achieve them? My first job out of college (I attended on both a scholarship and work study, along with loans) was not to long ago, and I made less than $30k. 12 years later I am in the top 5% of income earning households in America, and I am told that I am greedy and hate poor people, even though I pay more than 40% of what I earn in taxes, we donate 10% of our salary to charity and I voluteer 300+ hours per year.

Three straight weekends in a row now I have been in line at Publix with someone paying for their groceries with WIKS (spelling) from the government, and the patron has a kid, no wedding band indicating marriage, a blackberry, an in the case of the woman in fron of me this pat Saturday, $199 “7 For All Mankind” designer jeans and a real Coach purse. How can you accept government handouts if you are affording luxury items that I don’t even own?

The public eduation system in this country has truly failed, because most people posting here about economic policy are completely incapable of explaining their potition, or even stringing the correct words together to make a complete sentence. Whether people like it or not, we could be a few months away from a new congress that will be more fiscally conservative than in 1800.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
12:02 pm

Let me guess: do you think all Republicans are rich and all Democrats are poor? I can name a few rich Domocrats (quite a few Politicians) who only make you think that they are in it for you. They only speak that way to get your vote. They could care less about the poor.

Stock Man

April 21st, 2010
12:02 pm

Income in any one year does not indicate whether or not one is poor.

I got a $20 credit this year. And I am not poor. It was just a year to take loses in the markets.

Monroe Burbank

April 21st, 2010
12:03 pm

One could argue that we give senior citizens too many breaks. I mean, they have had an entire lifetime to plan for their retirement years. Upon retirement they receive Social Security and Medicare. If they still can’t make ends meet, obviously they didn’t properly plan for their retirement years. I’m supposed to pick up that slack with my tax dollars?

Here’s a thought. Do all we can to help working poor while they’re still working, instead of nickel-and-diming them. Then maybe Republican legislatures won’t need to pass tax cuts to help them when they’re senior citizens.

Commonsenseagitator

April 21st, 2010
12:06 pm

Surprise! Surprise! Take from the poor and give to the rich.

Put It In Perspective

April 21st, 2010
12:06 pm

$20000/ year equates to an hourly wage of $9.61. How many slackers and leeches make almost $10/ hour? There are a LOT of hard working people (washing cars, working at fast food joints, waiting tables, etc.) who make minimum wage (currently $7.25/hr or $15080/yr in GA). These people work hard and still live in poverty. This measure will hurt them. $26 dollars doesn’t mean much when you’ve got a lot, but it can mean MARTA fare for almost 2 weeks for someone who cannot afford a car. Meanwhile, Republicans fight minimum wage hikes and claim that they hurt businesses. Then, they give corporations and high earners (I happen to fit the gov’t definition of a high earner) tax breaks and constantly try to increase the burden of the little people. If you look at the big picture and put it all in perspective, you can only come to the conclusion that Republicans are heartless, greedy, hypocritical, and self-serving or either completely ignorant to the plight of the poor.

The Truth

April 21st, 2010
12:07 pm

I don’t know if I agree with the tax cut for seniors but, to say it is for the upper income is a misnomer. It goes up to $70,000. That means that everybody gets it up to that amount and I doubt $70,000 is upper income sounds like middle class to me.

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cmm423

April 21st, 2010
12:09 pm

There seems to be a disproportionate number of posts that attempt to portray Republicans as being hypocritical because they favor a fair tax system. How exactly does this fly in the face of Christianity? See if you can follow…I donate $1 to a charity and the poor receive a net benefit of $.75. The government takes $1 in taxes and the poor see a net benefit of $.15. Have any of the crybabies on this site ever heard of the Generosity Index? I’ll sum it up in a nutshell…conservative states donate money at a MUCH higher rate than liberal states. Check it out for yourselves. Or better yet take my word for it, go get a job, and try your best to be a productive member of society.

William

April 21st, 2010
12:10 pm

Life liberty and the PURSUIT of hapiness…not the pursuit of everyone else’s hard earned money. If you feel sorry for the poor donate to the church or stop by one of these poor and give them your paycheck. You are a free person, you can do this..

tax man

April 21st, 2010
12:10 pm

Hey Monroe: I guess you won’t take care of your unfortunate parents when they retire and can’t make ends meet. Working hard for 45 years does not mean you will have everything in order when you retire. What if your parents had to spend alot of their retirement unexpected expenses like paying off their sons credit cards bills or bailing him out of his mortgage?

G19

April 21st, 2010
12:11 pm

50 percent of our population pay no income tax and many of those get money from the tax payer as if they did. If you don’t pay taxes you should not get tax credits. We have food stamps, assistance programs, free cell phone for the poor, charities, Medicade, etc for anyone that needs it.

lovelyliz

April 21st, 2010
12:11 pm

What do you expect when the poor don’t make big $$$$$$$$ donations to politicians?

Heaven forbid they do the Chrisitan thing, the right thing…………

xavier's wife

April 21st, 2010
12:12 pm

to JJ and jerome
I believe you need to understand that some poor people work long and hard and struggle pay check to pay check. thank you jj.

this describes my husband to a tee. My husband is a lead cook in a large bank building downtown he has a associate degree in culinary arts. He has been with the same company for 4+ yrs he makes close to 19k a year. So next time you think about someone making that amount, look at the person serving you food or washing your clothes or maybe even taking care of your children or the receptionist at your company.

Independent

April 21st, 2010
12:12 pm

Maintain the $26 tax credit for the poor. When you think about it, it’s really like an intercompany transaction, a transfer payment. It’s a lotto ticket every other week for a year taking money from inside the perimeter as lotto sales and transferring it outside the perimeter as a Hope Scholarship.

G19

April 21st, 2010
12:12 pm

I wish the government would let me keep that 15 percent FICA and invest it myself instead it goes to a PONZI scheme called Social Security.

G19

April 21st, 2010
12:13 pm

The Christian thing is to help through charities and directly to your fellow man, not to have BIG GOVERNMENT DO IT!!!

lovelyliz

April 21st, 2010
12:13 pm

G19 are you implying that a corporation that pays no income taxes should get no tax credits because some of the richest corporations in the state, the country even the world are actually getting $$$$ back even though they paid nothing in income taxes.

crunk d

April 21st, 2010
12:16 pm

Fair Tax!

Also, why should the gov’t take from those who work and redirect it to those who don’t? If I want to help the poor, that’s my business, not gov’t’s!

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
12:17 pm

Republicans fight minimum wage hikes because they believe there should be a commensurate lowering of the business tax rate. If we lowered corporate taxes to a flat 12%, we wouldn’t need a hike, because wages would go up naturally as business revenue would explode as a result of the savings and more customers with disposable income.

Dan J

April 21st, 2010
12:18 pm

Hi all i have read all your Comments what i see here is 2 things people who don;t care and people who do i love how you guys say oh the churches will help really well you must got to a mega church or something cause i know of 2 churches that its all they can do to pay the church bills let alone donate extra money to help poor people. to you that have money 26 dollars may not seem like much to a single mom with a baby it might be diapers or or wipes for the baby for others it might be a tank of gas to get to there 8.50 hr job they need to try and pay the bills they have they work hard everyday just like any other hardworking person. so to some it may seem like nothing but to others it the 26.00 they needed that week to get though. To be fair some will waste it true bot most won’t to make statements like these people is not only stereotyping a class of people some of you have a hidden prejudice i can read between lines you are fooling no one but your self.
Lastly those that say of cutting taxes to the rich and big company’s will create lots of new jobs cause they will have lots more money well i have heard that the last 8 years of the bush era still waiting in fact it never happen we lost close to 11 million jobs during this time and have deficit of close to 2 trillion dollars from a surplus of 3 trillion dollars in 2000 wheres the 5 Trillion dollars at ? now with this current president things are not just starting to turn around so wheres all the jobs at that were promise by the all the tax cust bust promise gone over seas so if you don’t like the way things are vote all of them out i do like the idea about fair tax for all stop picking on the poor cause the way things are it could be you next ever think about that

boortz

April 21st, 2010
12:19 pm

corporations dont pay taxes. they pass it on to the consumer. you liberals are too stupid to figure this out.its like raising the minimum wage and complaining a happy meal cost 4.00.

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:23 pm

You liberals are to funny. This is America. If you cannot succeed here, you will not succeed anywhere.

Note to you poor people & those who are pissed off at those of us who make a decent living: GO TO COLLEGE AND STUDY SOMETHING WORTHWILE!!! There are boatloads of free money available to you that I am not eligible because I make to much money. Don’t study Liberal Arts or education garbage; study math & science – you will find a job if you work/study hard enough.

Kirkfish

April 21st, 2010
12:23 pm

Hay Maryanne, and all of you others who think its the poiticians’ job to take my earnings at the point of a gun and give them to whomever they want to buy votes from, please refresh my memory. Where in the bible does Jesus say to give your money to Ceasar and let him give it to the poor.

WOW - This has to stop Repubs

April 21st, 2010
12:23 pm

Here again we have the Republicans taking money away from the people who need it the most, but want take it from the wealthiest who don’t need it, nor even asked for it, sounds familiar??? HINT: Bush tax cut to the wealthiest. This State Legislator has too many Good-Ole-boys making decisions that don’t benefit the majority of the people in the State. With everything around the State being slashed, the least of these are the ones that suffer….and the rich keeps getting richer.

David

April 21st, 2010
12:25 pm

Dont get mad now be mad in NOVEMBER

Jason

April 21st, 2010
12:30 pm

For all of you railing on “Christians” and “Republicans” who are against removing this measly $26 tax credit because it “harms the poor” and “Jesus wouldn’t do this to the poor”, I have a few questions for you:

1) How frequently and how much of your income (percentage wise) do you personally give directly to someone who makes under 20,000/yr?
2) How much of your personal time have you spent teaching people in this situation how to manage their money so that they are no longer dependent upon other individuals or the government?
3) What scriptual basis do you have to indicate that Jesus instructed a government and not individuals (or the church) to engage in charity?
4) If you profess to being a Christian, do you set aside the Biblical standard of 10% (which is seen as a minimum, starting point!) for the poor or for the support of the church?

I’m personally tired of being bashed for being a “hypocritical Christian” when I devote up to 20% of my personal income toward helping such people, on top on spending time each week teaching people how to manage their money for their own good and the good of others.

I am against these types of credits for the poor because they don’t have any lasting effect other than an expectation that it will come again next year. I have personally watched several families receive up to $8000 in federal and state income credits turn around and blow the money on new furniture when their current furniture is only 2 years old and in great shape. At the same time their kids have all the video games they want and they have nice cell phone service. These families have no concept of the fact that this is essentially charity that comes at the expense of other people. Because it comes from the government it gives the impression that their taking the money is not a burden to anyone else. From my experience, when these same people receive charity directly from individuals, they change their behavior because they realize that someone really sacrificed for them. This is why we need to put a stop to these goverment expeditures. They are wasteful and ineffective.

Those of you that really need to change your attitudes are those of you who hear Jesus’ words and want the government to fulfill YOUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY to care for the poor. I’m shocked at the number of people who make $37,000 per year and don’t know that this makes them amongst the richest 4% of people in the entire world. $37,000 is enough to live comfortably, save, and give generously on top of the current tax burden, but so many people have built in “needs” that are really wants and have burdened themselves with so much unneeded debt that they see $37,000 as poor. Most people on this blog probably make significantly more than $37,000.

So, my answer for those of you who ask, “What would Jesus do”, I would say that he would make the responsibility to care for the poor a personal responsibility and he would put a stop to attempts to shift those responsibilities to the government.

On the opposite side, it is shameful to punish people who have spent their entire lives working hard and saving so that they will not need assistance from the government or others to live. If we uphold this standard of punishing saving, then what incentive is there to save? Shouldn’t we also be asking why the personal savings rate is rediculously low in this rich country? We are effectively encouraging people not to save and to be dependent upon the government. How is it that we are spending millions (or more) on giving money away, when we don’t spend a dime teaching basic money management skills in our schools? How many of you took a personal economics course in high school? I’d be willing to bet almost 90% or more took macro-economics and learned all about GDP and supply/demand, but that less than 10% of you probably had a class teaching you how to balance a personal budget, how different savings options work, how interest is calculated on credit cards, home loans, or cars, or how to select insurance plans based on the risk acceptable for you. This is an endless cycle which hurts everyone. Our nations debt cannot and will not get any better until we break this cycle and teach people to save and live independently.

Tony

April 21st, 2010
12:30 pm

I have been poor. Very poor. No food poor. No milk poor. Heck, no electricity poor. I was born poor, raised poor. I might still die poor.

I worked four jobs to support my gross level of poverty. No heat in the winter, no AC in the summer, but four jobs to keep me up at night and busy all day, every day.

I was fortunate. I caught a break. Today, I have a beautiful daughter and a wonderful wife, drive a fairly new car and live in a very nice home. Did hard work have a lot to do with it? Yes. But so did luck. I caught some good breaks. I was blessed.

You just don’t realize how much $26 is until it’s all you have. Until it’s more than you have. Until you’ve been a day or longer without food, feeling that physical hunger in your gut that you try to quell with tap water, you don’t know the value of $26. Or even $5. That can buy a lot of canned soup, canned vegetables, discount Hamburger Helper (made without the hamburger).

But that level of poverty is almost OK. You survive. There are little pleasures that you can enjoy. A nice drive. Saturday night jazz on WABE. Library books. Braves games televised on broadcast stations. Your world is simple.

Until you look up.

Until you look around at the people who are going to the beach and the mountains for their leisure, who are buying groceries every week, who never substituted water for milk in their store-brand breakfast cereal. Until you realize that you’re working harder, and doing it for less, than they are. And until you realize that the path from here to there isn’t just hard — it’s nonexistent.

That’s when you give up. That’s when you start trying to make the world not hurt anymore. That’s when drugs, alcohol, unprotected sex — whatever the next cheap thrill happens to be — sounds like fun. Because, after all, what does it matter? I can be happy for a second, or stay just as miserable as I’ve been all along.

The point here is not that the tax credit for the poor costs the government more than it’s worth. It most likely does. The point is that there are people who are working hard for what they get, and what they can earn is still not enough. And we’re hurting them more, while helping the people who have milk and groceries to afford more milk and groceries and nicer trips. Will that stimulate jobs? Sure. So more people can work even harder and still have nothing to show for it.

God’s going to have a word with the lawmakers who vote for this bill. And what are they going to say then?

“But, it was only $26.”

This isn’t a joke, folks. This isn’t just politics. They’re hurting people — good people. And you… are… letting… it… happen.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
12:35 pm

OH PFATS you are hilarious w/your SAHM? Smart-Assed Hootchie Mama?

I’m more sarcastic than a smartass

William

April 21st, 2010
12:37 pm

Tony

April 21st, 2010
12:30 pm

Since your brougth God into this…giving is a personal reward and not a government reward. However, you can donate all your money to the poor. I all for it. Do you want me to set up a meeting with someone? Just have the cash in hand. About corporations! They create jobs and money for investors. I knew you did not know this. Oversight by some watchdogs is ok but not government oversight.

David

April 21st, 2010
12:41 pm

Rep. David Knight needs to start looking for a job come November!

Gumby

April 21st, 2010
12:43 pm

The GOP’ers give Christianity a bad name. I really wish Georgia would wake up and vote this type of scum out of office.

Marko

April 21st, 2010
12:43 pm

Charity IS NOT some government program that gives someone $26 back on their tax return. Only Democrats define charity as how much of SOMEONE ELSE’s money they can give away. Charity is what YOU personally donate to those in need.

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:44 pm

Matthew 26:11 For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me

Tony

April 21st, 2010
12:45 pm

William,

It appears you don’t read so well, friend. Go back and try it again. Do “Ctrl F” and search for “charity.” You won’t find it in my post. Also, try “corporations.” Nope, not there, either.

But thank you for rattling off your inane talking points like a good little boy. You’ve contributed much to the debate.

Now, run along and play.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
12:46 pm

Jerome~poor doesn’t equal uneducated. I have an education but due to the job market I can’t find a job. Most people aren’t poor because they choose to be.

Rusty~please. if your in the top 5% then why isn’t your spelling better? You really volunteer 300 hours a yr?! That is unbelievable unless you have been ordered to do it.

William

April 21st, 2010
12:46 pm

Last I heard, everyone was going to college off of the grants, scholarships, and federal loans. So when everyone has a degress, the requirement for cashier will be a ba degree with a 3.0gpa. I can not wait to see this. Degrees are as plentiful as government handouts.

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:46 pm

Gumby, we did vote out the scum. Their names were Roy Barnes & Mark Taylor along with Max Cleland. Thanks for the reminder.

boortz

April 21st, 2010
12:48 pm

hey tony- try bworking one good paying job and quit the 4 that has you in poverty. if something is not working, try something else. hmmmm

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:48 pm

William, you truly are clueless. I said a degree that is worthwile. Most cashiers with degrees have it in History, Geography, Liberal Arts, etc. Give me a college graduate with a Electrical Engineering degree that has computer programming knowledge, he/she will have a job tomorrow.

Tony

April 21st, 2010
12:48 pm

And what did you major in, William?

Tony

April 21st, 2010
12:49 pm

boortz — You hiring?

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:49 pm

dontjudge, what kind of degree do you have? Please don’t tell me a BA.

Don'tforget

April 21st, 2010
12:50 pm

Democrat/Republican???? Does anyone remember that the day after Sonny Perdue (Republican) was elected a lot of the Democratic Legislators changed parties and became Republicans. IS THAT WHY people are so upset about Republicans? Most of them are really Democrats???
Also, Jerome: Plenty of folks make less than $20,000 per year. That is $10 per hour.

Avery

April 21st, 2010
12:53 pm

This is bizarre. Even for elementary-school educated Republicans who stared long and hard to memorize a “Laffer Curve” (which has no theoretical justification)……they surely must have realized that the curve has a left side as well as a right side. I’d say we’ve been steadily sliding down the left side of that sucker for about 10 years.

Avery

April 21st, 2010
12:54 pm

Another note – my understanding of conservative principles is that they want the Federal government to shift rights back to the States.

That will be a little difficult to pull off when our state is bankrupt from no tax revenues.

Atlantan

April 21st, 2010
12:54 pm

If you end tax credits for the poor how are they going to buy all those lotto tickets that paid for my education??

Avery

April 21st, 2010
12:56 pm

MiltonMan:

Most research has shown that how successful you are is highly correlated with the macroeconomic conditions when you graduate. In other words, luck plays a huge part in success. I know that doesn’t fit with your pre-existing conclusion that success is purely correlated with intelligence and/or hard work, but opportunity plays an even larger role.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
12:59 pm

Miltonman~why do you ask if I have a Bachelor’s? Is that hard to believe that someone can be unemployed & have a BA? If you will see my previous posts you will also note that I haven’t worked in 8 years so competing with 22 yr olds when you are approaching 40 doesn’t help.

William

April 21st, 2010
1:02 pm

Tony, you inferred in your post that the government needs to continue supporting the poor. You brought God into and I know God holds you personally responsible. God will not give you a pass because the government did it wrong. I am an IT, business, hardknocks, veteran, and conservative. I love the Tea Party. You seem ok.

“They’re hurting people — good people. And you… are… letting… it… happen.”
That is the battle cry for liberals against corporatrions when it is the corporations the liberals are doing business. It is the corporations that make jobs and what the liberals can not tolerate is the idea they can not control them so easily. Growing up poor is as American and apple pie. Some realize the American dream through hard work and some do not. Some achieve it as a gift from special interests and then parade for everyone to have it the same way. That is where the tax burden appears so heavily.

Bursaw

April 21st, 2010
1:02 pm

S.Turnage is actually thinking instead of name calling. It would cost us (Tax paying citizens) less to just give these people the $26 instead of processing it through some tax credit. But that would be using thought, common sense and simple accounting which we all know has no place in politics and the United States Government. Choosing sides and name calling is how things really get done.

:)

commoncents

April 21st, 2010
1:02 pm

dontjudge:

Why would not working for 8 years ever be a good idea? Even when times are good, relying on 1 income source (with apparently no safety net) is never a good idea.

Atlantan

April 21st, 2010
1:03 pm

@dontjudge maybe you should be on monster .com instead of AJC…since you haven’t worked in 8 years.

William

April 21st, 2010
1:04 pm

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
12:48 pm
I totally agree. But do not forget those electricians, plumbers, bricklayers, and other technical skills that only require a certification. We need those jobs just as badly.

Atlantan

April 21st, 2010
1:05 pm

@MiltonMan I agree…so tired of all these people majoring in things such as “music” or “philosophy” and then being surprised when they can’t get a job…or at least a job that pays above the poverty level.

commoncents

April 21st, 2010
1:07 pm

Show me a presedential candidate with time served in the armed forces and an accounting background and I’ll show you where my vote goes

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
1:08 pm

commoncents~I left my job after my son was born to be a stay at home mom, then my husband got into trouble. My original post says that most people aren’t poor because they want to be. I was put into the situation I am in now thru no fault of my own & am trying to dig myself & my kids out of it. No safety net? Have you been reviewing my financial records? FYI most Americans DO NOT have 6 months worth of savings. The choice MY CHOICE to become a stay at home mom in 2002 did not involve your input. Thank you.

Atlantan~what I’m not allowed to blog on AJC? Are you at work? Then why are you on here?

Tony

April 21st, 2010
1:08 pm

William,

That is a battle-cry for voters — those sympathetic to the poor and not. In my view, corporations have very little to do with this question. In the simplest of terms, government is at once enabling the rich to become richer and removing a level of comfort for the poor.

This is not even a question of redistributing wealth. It’s about doing right by the citizens of Georgia. It isn’t about lottery tickets or beer. It isn’t about charity and church.

It’s hurting people we don’t have to hurt, for reasons that are misguided and ill-informed.

Corey

April 21st, 2010
1:09 pm

Ask yourselves this. Is transferring public wealth to wealthy individuals and corporations a good or bad idea? When we hear tax cuts for the wealthy we automatically thinks there is something in it for us (jobs). However, fiscal conservatives have been transferring public wealth to the wealthy since the 80’s, and we think its a good thing while our infrastructure crumbles; we’re stuck in traffic; educators are fighting for crumbs; public transportation is dismal and on and on.

commoncents

April 21st, 2010
1:12 pm

As a wife, I would hope you had some control over you husband’s actions, in particular the ones that landed him in jail.

William

April 21st, 2010
1:15 pm

Tony

April 21st, 2010
1:08 pm
We aree to disagree!

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
1:15 pm

Commoncents~no he is a grown man & since I didn’t keep him tied to a chair & he left in the middle of the night to commit a crime I don’t see how I could have stopped it. Don’t worry though when he is released in 7 years I’ll put GPS on him, have him tailed by a PI & keep him locked in a room when he is home just to make you happy.

ATL Scouser

April 21st, 2010
1:16 pm

Let’s see, poorer households spend a larger portion of their income on essential retail items like groceries, gas, and household products and upon purchasing these items they pay state and local sales taxes for schools, roads, and services. Every time they fill up their tanks, they pay state and federal gas taxes. Every year they pay the ad valorem tax on their vehicles and their paychecks are reduced – like everyone else’s – due to employer obligations to pay payroll tax. Yeah – the poor pay no taxes…

Bajatl

April 21st, 2010
1:16 pm

I laugh at some of the comments that I see on here. None of you are rich.. The real rich dont get into blogs like these, they have their discussions with Congressmen and Senators. With regards to the poor. They help society.. They dont save because when they get their money they spend it. In order for an economy to survive money has to be circulated. Unlike the rich they do not hide their monies in foreign banks and buy property in states like Florida so what they do is actually beneficial to Georgia. How many of you have profited from someone building or buying a home in Florida. I agree with Don Juan.. Most people are only Christian when they step into church and act so so that all can see. Poor people are not the ones that having you pay more taxes..You are paying more taxes because they rich got the money and mismanaged it and now you are paying.. Name one poor person on Wall Street. Name one poor Hedge Fund Manager. Name one poor person with mortgage issues. Name one poor person that bought a multimillion dollar home and it went into foreclosure now the bank is making you pay for it. So what if poor people bought flat screens..If they dont buy it..the electronics sector would suffer and so would the retail. You keep saying that your money is taxed and given to the poor. Now that Obama is in, it may be given to the poor but how many years have your tax money gone to the rich? GREED is what got us into the situation we are in and it wasn’t the greed of the poor. We can say all we want to about our money but on that Great day your money will mean nothing. All you took and hoarded for yourself and did not share will mean nothing. I hope you have a good answer when you are called, and can show what good you did with your money. Do you think living in an expensive house and driving an expensive car will get you salvation. John 3 vs 17 says “But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” Jesus in Matthew 19 “Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Your money and your wordly possessions will mean nothing on that great day..

Atlantan

April 21st, 2010
1:17 pm

@ dontjudge how do you pay for internet with no job?

And no, I don’t have a job…I’m a trust fund baby..don’t you think all conservatives/republicans/wealthy people just “got lucky” and had stuff handed to them?

Isitme

April 21st, 2010
1:21 pm

Hey Sick&Tired… They are not aliens, they’re Republicans.

imgibson

April 21st, 2010
1:21 pm

For the record I am white, not poor, and smart enough to count my blessings, however, as long as we keep voting in these old, arrogant, hypocritical, elitist politicians whose only interest is in helping their rich buddies no one is going to be safe and that includes the middle class which is shrinking rapidly.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
1:21 pm

How are your bills paid? Sorry don’t believe you are a trust fund baby. Have you ever heard of free wifi? I won’t answer anymore of your idiotic questions. I stated my case in my original post & I owe you no explanations.

Atlantan

April 21st, 2010
1:25 pm

They should make a sarcasm font. I was joking about being a trust fund baby.

I just don’t understand how you complain about being poor but you obviously have a computer, wifi, etc. Like most so-called poor people, you’d rather complain about it than do something to change it.

Thomas

April 21st, 2010
1:26 pm

Bravo David Knight! You just got my re-election vote. It’s about time GA law makers started looking out for the people that FUND the state and consider the fact that the reason many (not all) of these “high earners” make what they do is because of the blood, sweat and tears they invested in their self improvement. Bottom line … there is nothing wrong with people that make $20,000/year. I come from a family of these people but the opportunity (especially in GA with the Hope scholarship) is and was there for everyone to better their earning potential and make more over money over their lifetime.

Through the Hope scholarship the state of GA already incentivizes EVERYONE to make something of themselves! I’m glad to see that at least ONE Georgia legislator is thinking about the people that pay all GA government salaries! Thank you, David Knight!

As for you Mr. Hooks … take your silver spoon and go work at the DMV.

Warrior and Mom

April 21st, 2010
1:26 pm

tax cheat didn’t know the difference between 1099 and w-2. now, he heads the fed reserve.

William

April 21st, 2010
1:28 pm

Corey

April 21st, 2010
1:09 pm
Transferring wealth to wealthy individuals! Where did you get the money in the beginning? Public wealth! Government does not make money. You do not tax everybody! There is a 39% and up tax on the wealthy. I get taxed everyday and I am not wealthy. I do not believe in taxing one person and not another. The percentage can vary but not the burden of tax.
I have not see a poor person create a job except for government services. The wealthier are business owners and corporations. There are some outrageous wage earners. Like 20million for a ball player. All the medias pay their top anchors 30plus million a year. Radio hosts making up to 60million. Now add all those up and see how many jobs that could establish at 50k a year. The wealthy you should be talking about is the enormous salaries the wage earners are making and not the business owners or corporations. You do not need huge wage earners but you need businesses and corportations.

Tony

April 21st, 2010
1:29 pm

William,

I’d shake on it, but the posts don’t have that feature.

The Truth

April 21st, 2010
1:29 pm

To all you fools out there calling for corporate taxes, can’t you understand that corporations DO NOT pay taxes. Any tax levied on a corporation is a cost of doing business and is passed on to their customers. ONLY PEOPLE PAY TAXES, not businesses! So all of you who think you can just tax the corporation, just realize that the PEOPLE who are really paying that tax is you and me, if you buy their products.

Wouldn’t it be better to have a lower priced product, a more competitive business, and create more jobs for more people?

dtboy

April 21st, 2010
1:29 pm

Back in the days when I voted Democrat and lived in the “matrix,” I use to spew the same ignorance about the “unfortunate” poor, “what would Jesus do,” and the evils of the rich UNTIL I started studying economics, business, history, the laws of nature and the philosophy of freedom defined the Declaration of Independence. Boy, what an awakening! Stop letting wealth-envy cloud your judgment. Oh.. for the “what would Jesus do” crowd… God only asked for 10% and HE created us, so why do I owe MAN 38%+?

RightWingExtremist-potential terrorist

April 21st, 2010
1:30 pm

If people need additional assistance they need to apply through the welfare system NOT THE TAX SYSTEM………………

The Tax system is not set up to be a welfare system…….. HELLO……

Now the Federal income tax system needs to do the same thing and let the welfare system handle it…………..

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
1:30 pm

Atlantan please read all my posts I said I was trying to dig myself out. People are allowed to keep the nice things they had before their life was ruined. If you think there is a huge market for used keds or a liz claiborne purse you are sadly mistaken. Make no mistake tho that if I had a diamond ring or anything like that I would sell it.

Double parent

April 21st, 2010
1:33 pm

It’s amazing to me how many people stereotype poor people as cigarette smoking, malt liquor drinking, lottery ticket buying, drug using scum of the earth. I found myself raising my sons alone with no support from their father. I did not get food stamps or a government check every month, but the tax credit sent a few more dollars back to the household and the earned income credit put food on the table. I worked hard, made very little money, and paid taxes. I made sure they both went to college-and they are both contributing members of society, paying their fair share of taxes. Perhaps the next time you feel inclined to speak of poor people, you will stop and think “There but for the Grace of God go I” and then thank Him.

TARBABY30176

April 21st, 2010
1:33 pm

If someone is making $20,000 and actually working their butt off, then I do feel sorry for them losing that extra $26. Me and my hubby work our butts off to get somewhere in life, and we earn too much money for any kind of tax credit, yet we live from paycheck to paycheck. Will the government ever help people like us? Nope they never will, cause they need us to make the money to pay all the lazy people. Retires should get a break on taxes, cause they spent their lives working. Not to mention when we retire that will benefit us too. The country could save a lot of money if they would get all the illegals off welfare and social security.

cookie19

April 21st, 2010
1:34 pm

I have been working and paying taxes since the age of 17 and I can barely afford to keep gas in my 10 year old vehicle so I can get to work. I keep my tax exemptions legal and I’m getting raped in taxes every pay period. I started school last year and they tell me I barely qualify for financial aid. But I make to much to live in three apartment complexes in my neighborhood. The system has been broken for more than 20 years.. It needs to be fixed!!!!!

BIG Nick

April 21st, 2010
1:35 pm

The Poor?

You mean the ones who get free housing, free food, free medical care and free education?

You mean the ones who would rather spend their money on new video games, new cell phone, crack, 40oz’s or new rims?

F them! They get enough free $hit! BTW… How in the hell are you going to cut a brutha some slack (cut his taxes) when he doesn’t pay any?

William

April 21st, 2010
1:37 pm

RightWingExtremist-potential terrorist

April 21st, 2010
1:30 pm
Except for your title I like the post.

TARBABY30176

April 21st, 2010
1:37 pm

DOUBLE PARENT – It is people like you that should get breaks cause you succeded without the government, except for the earned income that you got during tax time. I don’t mind the government helping out people that actually deserve it.

Not David Smith

April 21st, 2010
1:38 pm

David Smith, have you ever been employed by a poor person? Cutting the tax for the “evil rich” encourages them to hire. Those making $15080/yr pay no income tax, usually, as well as 47% of ALL Americans. They pay NO taxes.

curt

April 21st, 2010
1:40 pm

So its OK to beat your self righteous chest about what a good christian you are but then dump on the least among us. Georgia Republicans need to be advised that “Let them eat cake” didn’t go well the last time it was used as a method of governing.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
1:40 pm

Dontjudge: since you are a stay at home mom, maybe you could find one of those work from home jobs. There are even some that offer benefits. No Joke!

Dekalb County taxpayer

April 21st, 2010
1:41 pm

Low-income Georgians are already getting tax credits from the Federal government. A state that is struggling to meet its obligations should not be giving more money to anybody, low-income or not. And when the writers of Scripture admonish us to take care of the poor, they are speaking to individuals, not to governments.

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
1:43 pm

Clark Howard does have a list of them on his website.

Sick&Tired

April 21st, 2010
1:43 pm

Put It In Perspective

April 21st, 2010
12:06 pm

Excellent points made!!!

Anyone who would take $26.00 from low-income earners have absolutely NO SHAME. There is no hope for these people, they can simply be written off.

william pomplun

April 21st, 2010
1:43 pm

Business provides jobs.. $26.00 buys 1 days food or 1 tank of gas. Give business tax breaks and they will provide jobs..

@Don'tJudge

April 21st, 2010
1:45 pm

Sorry for your situation & yes, sometimes things happen that are out of your control that puts you in a lifestyle that you never imagined. Not speaking of you now, but people, especially the rich & wealthy never think the day that the tables can turn & they can be on the other end of the stick. I don’t understand why people who are not suffering or struggling ALWAYS look down on people less fortunate & ALWAYS want to stereotype ALL poor people.There are a lot of hardworking, non criminal poor people in America. The same homeless person you step over today may be the same person that may have to pick you up tomorrow. You never get too comfortable in life because you never know what lies ahead. If Jesus was homeless the GREEDY would step over him too. What is wrong with helping the less fortunate? Isn’t that in the Bible? Or maybe you read another Bible that you wrote yourself.

G19

April 21st, 2010
1:45 pm

Deuteronomy 15:11 says nothing about sending it to Washington to be redistributed. It means more to help your fellow man more DIRECTLY.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
1:46 pm

I’ll process all those $26.00 credit for just $10.00 each. That will save Georgia about 16 Million?

Not Surprised @ Anything in the Gold Dome

April 21st, 2010
1:48 pm

These big Corporations should be paying State taxes & maybe the State would not be in the financial crunch it is in & the State workers could get a raise & not have to furlough & pay more for healthcare. The State needs to reorganize & make those that can afford to pay State taxes pay.

Brutally Honest

April 21st, 2010
1:51 pm

I’m a Christian but I’ve been so constantly badgered by the theme that the US has “separation of church and state” that I finally have given in: I no longer take my Christian principles into account when it comes to the people in the “state” – screw the lazy and the poor.

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
1:52 pm

Today only, Half-Off Depot has $26 tax credits available for only $13!

mm

April 21st, 2010
1:52 pm

Georgians, you elected these morons. Pathetic.

cmm423

April 21st, 2010
1:52 pm

Hey Tony. Unless posting is one of your four jobs you may want to log off and get back to work. No wonder you went without heat and air conditioning…

American Pride

April 21st, 2010
1:55 pm

So Milton Man now that we’ve voted out “the scum” and had majority-Republican leadership over the last 8 years, what has it brought us…please elaborate

Higher-Paying Jobs?
Reduced Crime?
Improvements in Education?
Reduced tax rates?
Improvements in Infrastructure?
Growth in the middle class?

What’s lost in our political discourse, that’s often divided into two distinct camps that often falls along racial lines or conservative vs. liberal, is the fact that there is no PERFECT answer in either argument!

Currently, 10% of the highest income earners in this country control 90% of its wealth and represent approximately 40% of the spending for goods and services. The bottom 90% account for close to 60% of all the goods and services that are purchased. Although recent numbers reveal that top earners account for the majority of the taxes that are paid, it’s absolutely clear the current economic model that exists above wont improve the demand for American jobs and services which results in the growth of the middle class. If people don’t have more disposable income they won’t spend more, unless the growth is based on credit purchases that creates another bubble. Stagnant wages, increased medical costs, increased unemployment and declining real estate values for the bottom 90% (whose primary wealth is in real estate) will eventually have an adverse effect on our GDP. Simply put, if the bottom 90%, which I’m assuming over 90% of the posters on here are, can’t afford the goods and services we all suffer. Of course the top 10% will not see their standard of living decline but improve because their wealth is concentrated in the stocks and bonds of corporations that suppress wages and send jobs to other countries. The real solution is somewhere in the middle. We seemed to have been on the right track in previous generations as the current generation would always be better off than the generation that preceeded it. The decline in real wage growth, loss of manufacturing jobs and the decay of our education system the last 30 years is not because of some unfounded phenomenon but because of a paradigmn shift in gov. spending priorities and ideology. One does not need to have an advanced degree in Economics to understand the basics of price elasticity and supply vs. demand. When corporations such as ALCOA can announce the layoff of a 1/3 of its workforce or 28,000 people in spite of record cash on hand and the payment of dividends to its investors, there needs to be a fundamental debate in government centered around what’s best for the country vs. the automatic assumption that what’s best for the investors of ALCOA is best for all Americans. The majority of the 28,000 that’s laid off will now be a burden on already strained public resources. It’s laughable to suggest that people with Graduate level degrees go back to college and get more “Education” when their counterparts in other countries have no more and often less education than they do.

There is no direct correlation or one shred of evidence that has been presented which highlights the effectiveness of each tax policy as it relates to what’s best for our state. Even though corporations get essentially the same tax break in real dollars as the tax credits for low-income workers, does it creates jobs in our state and the money given to them what percentage goes back into Georgia’s economy. However, despite what they may spend it on even if its a fool-hearted purchase, I would venture to guess lower-wage earners use the majority of those funds to purchase goods and services in this state. The position that low taxes spurs job growth has been discounted time and time again. Corporations do not make competitive decisions or increase hiring based on tax breaks. One poster above even suggested lowering it beyond what it is now. If this is the argument let’s reduce it to ZERO and every one will be employed.

If this mandate succeeds to end these tax credits, it will be rooted in nothing that’s factually based. Hard-line party politics to score political points and the influence of lobbyists are what’s driving decision-making now with a moral compass being a distant 3rd. The growth of state revenue is not the basis for this decision

In the end, we will still read petty arguments over the interpretation of God’s word and how we should treat the least among us. However, can someone please state to me via chapter/verse where it says that there is greater moral authority and Christian-Centered belief that giving corporations tax breaks is being closer to God vs. the hotly debated issue of giving to the poor.

Avery

April 21st, 2010
1:55 pm

It always amazes me that a massive group of middle-class has been so thoroughly brainwashed that they are convinced their well-being is 100% connected with the well-being of millionaires. What a brilliant marketing job.

“Screw macroeconomics – some GOP hack told me otherwise, and I’m too busy to fact-check. I’d rather believe a career politician than some satanic pinko-communist ivory-tower liberals who actually observe what is going on around us”. What a great mindset. In a few decades, Georgian Republicans will get their wish and we’ll have a 3rd-world anarchy. No government interference, though. And you’ll all get to use your unregulated guns.

G19

April 21st, 2010
1:56 pm

From reading these posts it appears that all the DUMB masses are smart successful hard working charitable tea party types. AND all the INTELLUCTUALS appear to be financial and miserable life FAILURES that want a NANNY state to take care of them. If you are so smart why do you need the government to confiscate from others for your benefit.

Forty Acres and a Mule

April 21st, 2010
1:57 pm

Cry Me A River
Yes hardwork does equal rewards, pay the rewards earned during slavery.
No other group of people have worked that hard for no money certainly not the people in power.

boortz

April 21st, 2010
2:00 pm

dontjudge- Red Lobster is hiring by town center mall. see, these blogs can be helpful. who would have thunk you could find a job while wasting valuable time spewing liberal garbage.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
2:02 pm

That’s right “Not Surprised”, the corporations should pay the state payroll.

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
2:04 pm

I think that this bill was really written for the people who are 3rd generation people who live on welfare! Why not try and finish school or apply for financial aid, or try and work harder instead of TRYING to have more children so you can get more money from the government! Really what everyone is talking about “taking from the poor” is not true what so ever! What is really going on is the people who really work hard and make right there at the line where you can’t apply for anything and get government help are taxed ALOT and then taxed on those taxes! I’m tired of seeing people who don’t do anything and get aid…what about me, I don’t want to pay for them to have the easy life when I’m the one that works!!

Sick&Tired

April 21st, 2010
2:10 pm

Don’t use the Bible to circumvent your anger for taxes. The Bible does not denounce paying taxes or government. Nor does the Bible state what should happen to the taxes collected. However, the Bible was very clear about the needy and the poor. Moreover, using the Bible to justify a selfish act, within itself, signify unchristian like behavior.

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
2:11 pm

hey…”not surprised”….do you seriously think that the State workers are the only people on Furloughs, take pay cuts, don’t get “cost of living” raises? When do the people who actually make the money get to ahve any of it if they pay taxes all of the time. The corporations give people jobs, pay and offer health insurance, and more…they are the ones that help the economy…but they have to make changes too, like having to let people go, furloughs, etc.! If you’ve got it figured out why dont’ you run or apply for a position that can really do something…you know, since you know everything about state taxes and what goes into those decisions!

tax man

April 21st, 2010
2:12 pm

American Pride: Thanks for the Alcoa stock tip.

Sick&Tired

April 21st, 2010
2:13 pm

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
2:04 pm

FYI… people on welfare don’t make $20,000 or less. They are not the target of this bill, because FYI they don’t have a JOB.

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
2:14 pm

Failing to spell check is not an indication of someone’s income or intellegence. It means you don’t really care what message board readers think of spelling.

I volunteer 6 hours per weekend with poor childrens advocacy group x 52 weeks per year = 312 hours per year.

There are many many people like me who are getting tired of our taxpayer dollars supporting irresponsible behavior. Education and accountability are the key elements to success, not handouts. A great public school education is a civil right, a welfare check is not a civil right. Fix the public schools and lower corporate taxes.

Here’s what a conservative believes: if you make $20k, we want you to make $40k. If you make $60 we want you to make $120k. If you make $200k we want you to make $400k. Capitalism is not a zero sum game, and we can’t keep approaching life in America as if we are a country full of victims abused by Republicans. Its hogwash.

MiltonMan

April 21st, 2010
2:15 pm

Typical DemoRat Vomit: We hate the rich, tax them more and more & give “free” stuff to the poor.

boortz

April 21st, 2010
2:16 pm

BOO GOT SHOT

Cutty

April 21st, 2010
2:19 pm

Read some of these posts, and you’ll see why Georgia is where it is on every comparable data point with the rest of the nation. The reason 47% of people don’t pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes is because of deductions and tax credits. That doesn’t mean they don’t pay payroll, sales, or property taxes. I’m sure a good number of your are included in that number. A lot of you are receiving refunds from all the tax credits offered this year, yet are still screaming Socialism and that you’re overtaxed. This nation has one of the lowest tax rates in the world, and you still complain. Hilarious how you all speak that this is a ‘Christian nation’ until money is involved.

Do you all really believe that the poor are in the situation they are because the would rather buy “malt liquor, lottery tickets, and have babies all day?” Really? Tell that to the teacher at your kid’s school w/ a Masters degree thats about to be laid-off in a couple weeks. Or the real estate agent who hasn’t been able to sell enough houses in the last two years. If anything, the last 10 years has shown that tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy don’t create jobs, and don’t increase government revenue. Your trickle down economics has been thoroughly disclaimed, but thats all your ideology knows. Even those poor people contribute to your child’s education through the Hope scholarship, but you’re too blind and seemingly affluent to even notice. Even the non-working stay at home moms have the gall to tell someone to go out and get a job.

Disgusted

April 21st, 2010
2:21 pm

Kudos to American Pride for the most lucid commentary on the issue. For about 75% of the rest of you, your prejudice and and mental frailty are showing through very clearly.

If the comments section of this site is any indication of the populace at-large, this state is a festering wound on the surface of this great nation. It’s a shame that a state of such geographical diversity and natural beauty is wasted on this gaggle of knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers.

rockinreel

April 21st, 2010
2:22 pm

Mmmmm, some of you seem to think its fair to tax the richer people more than the poorer. I think that’s bull crap. Go to college like I did with federal grants and student loans. Anyone can go, just the poor are lazy, so tax them equally for being lazy.

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
2:23 pm

It is unfair to keep throwing the “47% don’t pay taxes” line out there…many of these people are paying payroll tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, etc.

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
2:24 pm

Gumby and others….
Are Republicans the only Christians, Democrats aren’t(or can’t be)? And are ALL Republicans Christians? Really…I didn’t know that you knew all this!

Mind your own damn business

April 21st, 2010
2:30 pm

Where’s my $26 dollars? I need a 40oz. and two blunts.

You greedy rich people owe me!

Joe

April 21st, 2010
2:32 pm

Where do all of you come up with these talking points about the rich getting breaks while the poor get stuck with more taxes? Poor people DON”T PAY TAXES! The harder you work, the more you make, and the larger percentage the government TAKES FROM YOU! Our government rewards incompetence. Where are all the breaks for the rich you liberals speak of? Name a single corporation that doesn’t pay federal taxes.

As for the argument that Republicans are fighting increasing minimum wage, where do you think the money to do that will come from? Simple economics–wages go up, prices have to go up accordingly (so what good is the raise?), employees have to go home, or the business has to shut down.

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
2:35 pm

Sick&Tired
April 21st, 2010
2:13 pm
FYI… people on welfare don’t make $20,000 or less. They are not the target of this bill, because FYI they don’t have a JOB.

You are right, people on welfare are not the target of this bill (as far as i know…I haven’t actually READ THE BILL). But you are wrong in that “people on welfare don’t make $20,000 or less”…they make the less part! AND some people on welfare DO have jobs, maybe not big money money maker ones or ones they actually claim…but there are some!

JJ

April 21st, 2010
2:36 pm

Some of you miss the point. It is not just about cutting the tax credits for the poor. It is also about increasing tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy while you cut the poor. This is not right. Also some of the mean-spirited bloggers that have all the sanctimonious answers need to loosen up a bit. If you have all you need and you are pleased with your plight then good for you. However, there are many out there that are struggling to join you and are working just as hard as you but haven’t attained your superior perch. Your narcissism is nauseating.

ittetley

April 21st, 2010
2:38 pm

It is not governments responsibility to give to the poor. It is governments roll to serve all it citizens not the poor or the wealthy. It should be my decision whether I want to help someone. Chances are all of bashing the Republicans about this donate a dime to church, salvation army or any other worthwhile organization. I trust them more than any State or Federal elected official.

Put It In Perspective

April 21st, 2010
2:38 pm

Great post, Cutty. You too, Disgusted.

I want to add that it is easy to forget that the Metro area does not reflect the demographics or the culture of the rest of the state. People complaining about citizens who live “inside the perimeter” are ignoring the fact that most of this state’s under $20,000/yr population lives in rural areas. They work on farms, in warehouses, and in retail stores.

Again, if you’re going to fight minimum wage increases, even as corporate profits and the cost of living go up, how do you expect people to keep up when you take away even the smallest tax breaks? If you think these people have it made or just do not care enough to try and improve their situation, why don’t you try living off $20,000 one year? Maybe scale it down and try to live off $1500 in one month. It may make you reevaluate your opinions and judgements.

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
2:42 pm

American Pride

You know whats frightening about the Alcoa decision? They are able to keep trucking along without 1/3 of the workforce. Were those 28k people really working? Cash on the balance sheet means nothing to me without knowing what their liability situation is. They have to pay dividends to remain an attractive investment – if institutional investors start to pull away from Alcoa, they’ll be doing alot more than laying off people-they won’t have a pipeline of money to remain in business and the remaining 56k lose their jobs. Also, how is their stock doing? We are not a free market economy or capitalist society.

We are a socialism, and I hold Obama, Bush 1&2, and Clinton all equally responsible for this.

Avery

April 21st, 2010
2:45 pm

Joe,

Poor people frequently pay a higher percentage of their income on taxes than “rich” people. You are confusing “income tax” with “tax”.

That is, most poor people spend their money ON THE MARGIN consuming necessities to survive…these commodities are taxes.

I've had enough

April 21st, 2010
2:45 pm

Moving out of Georgia is looking better and better…

Avery

April 21st, 2010
2:47 pm

Rusty:

This statement: “They have to pay dividends to remain an attractive investment” is utter nonsense. If you are a true “free-marketer” you would understand that. If markets are as perfect as the GOP or Libertarians think they are, it doesn’t matter whether you pay dividends at all.

It is a theoretical discussion, but apparently the GOP lives in a theoretical world, not the one that slaps them in the face every day.

Linda

April 21st, 2010
2:51 pm

We are being brainwashed to hate corporations!
Corporations are we the people. We are the shareholders, the employees, the creditors, the clients & the customers.
Everyone who has a pension plan, a retirement acct. or a 401K is invested as a shareholder on Wall St. The retirement accts. for all state & municipal workers are invested on Wall St. We are all invested in corporations either directly or indirectly as taxpayers. When corporations fail, we all fail.
We loose our futures & our jobs.
We depend on corporations for almost everything in our homes, our food, our clothing, our transportation, etc.

tax man

April 21st, 2010
2:54 pm

Avery: Good point

Joe

April 21st, 2010
2:54 pm

Avery, if your statement is true (Poor people frequently pay a higher percentage of their income on taxes than “rich” people. ), might I suggest that “poor” people stop buying alcohol, cigarettes, and lottery tickets? Those purchases are choices, not necessities.

Cutty

April 21st, 2010
2:58 pm

Linda- Corporations shouldn’t succeed or fail based on tax credits, thats not what the ‘free market’ is designed for. They should fail or succeed based on their products or services. Anyone can name the huge amount of tax cuts they’ve received, but can anyone say the last time they’ve seen a product drop in price? Why is it when companies get tax breaks, they follow with increasing the price of their products because of (insert current talking point here)?

Some people need to earn it

April 21st, 2010
3:00 pm

Linda….right on!!! I couldn’t agree more…we need corporations. They aren’t just banks or investment firms or big “fat cats”, they are companies that make the “necessities” that we all need day to day and jobs that we desire!

Don Juan

April 21st, 2010
3:02 pm

Welcome to Georgia. The Land of….. I got my education off the Hope scholarship, now screw the little guy that helped pay for it through his Fantasy 5 tickets.

Joe

April 21st, 2010
3:02 pm

Cutty,

Do you expect prices to drop if we increase wages?

Cutty

April 21st, 2010
3:08 pm

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade, and don’t come close to the huge profits corporations have seen over the same time frame. Find another argument Joe.

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Linda

April 21st, 2010
3:23 pm

Cutty@2:58, I didn’t say a word about tax credits.
Prices do fall. I paid over $500 for my 1st microwave (maybe as much as $750) in ‘78 & close to $500 for a bubble jet printer in about ‘84.

Joe

April 21st, 2010
3:26 pm

Linda, The prices you cite dropped when technology improved. That’s in no way related to labor costs.

Cutty, what’s wrong with making a profit in America? Corporations have to take huge risks in order to succeed, and most do not. Why all the hate for the few who make it big?

idi

April 21st, 2010
3:30 pm

Georgia doesn’t need to have an income tax at all and bills like this simply expose the gross hypocrisy of the sorry politicians running the Legislature. If a budget shortfall looms, then it is time for those elected to slash the benefits and raises passed out over the last 10 years of profligate spending like drunken sailors to the various voting blocks as well as a total reform of every State entity.

The State doesn’t create wealth or worth, it saps it from us citizens in smaller doses than does Washington. We threw out the English for far less, it’s time to get MAD about being robbed people!

dontjudge

April 21st, 2010
3:33 pm

hhhhmmmm I’m “spewing liberal garbage” as someone so nicely told me. That would make complete sense if I weren’t REPUBLICAN! I have failed to see where any of my posts where I have said the government needs to take care of the poor.

Mitzymy

April 21st, 2010
4:02 pm

All of you who don’t like the politicians in office, especially the republicans, you have 2 elections this year. Go out like you did in 2008 and vote them out of office. Those old guys in congress who have been there 20 to 40 years need to come home. They are the party of “NO”, so let them say no at home. Get rid of them.

Cutty

April 21st, 2010
4:07 pm

I have no problem with making a profit Joe. Making it without tax credits, breaks, and incentives should be the way to go though. If the philosophy is that everyone should make it on their own merits and hard work, which is what many here are saying about the poor, then the same should be done for corporations. I don’t disparage profits at all.

Linda

April 21st, 2010
4:17 pm

Some people are getting Robin Hood & Jesus mixed up.
It was Robin Hood who stole from the rich & gave to the poor.
It was Jesus who said, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Paul wrote in 2Cor. 9:7, “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver.” There’s also a couple of commandments about stealing & coveting.
It was Obama who said to “spread the wealth around.”
When David said, “But I am poor and needy,” (Ps. 40:17) he was not talking about being broke. David was a king. There are those in need who are not merely poor.
The govt. is not a charity. The govt. should financially assist the disabled, orphans, widows, Veterans & those who are temporarily in need.
Charity is tithing 10% of your income plus donating to charitable organizations plus spontaneously assisting anyone in need of a job, a home or a hug.
The Progressives are perverting religion & charity. They are using the good nature of Americans to advance their power through social justice, economic justice & now ecological justice. Govt. cannot regulate morality. When they tried to help the poor & the elderly, they spent Medicaid, Medicare & Social Security.
The worst treatment of the needy includes taking away our freedoms, initiatives & dignity & enslaving them in dependence & poverty by simply continuing to write them checks for generations.

People For A Thugless Society (PFATS)

April 21st, 2010
4:21 pm

Linda – you go girl!

Forsyth Rep

April 21st, 2010
4:35 pm

Ok, nobody is going to miss $26 and nobody is going to come to Georgia and create jobs because they can be handed $26 come tax time. Property taxes and capital gains tax cuts, otoh, will spur investment and encourage people and businesses to actually move here. Would you rather retire to a high tax or low tax state?

Rusty

April 21st, 2010
4:42 pm

Avery, markets are not perfect. Capitlism is simply the best option based on empirical data. We do not have capitalism in this country. We have a blend of socialism and capitalism.

Why did Alcoa pay dividends, because they like giving away free money? If I am an investor, and have the option of investing in a company with poor returns and zero dividends, and a company that will pay them regularly, which one is the more “attractive investment?” Not that hard to understand, but 90% of Americans do not know what a dividend is, so I am not surprised.

Linda

April 21st, 2010
4:54 pm

According to the polls, Obama’s approval rating, the IRS’s approval rating & the percentage of people who pay income tax in the US are all the same: 47%. What a coincidence!

American Pride

April 21st, 2010
5:13 pm

Why has politics become a sport where my team is completely right and the other team is completely wrong? One must choose a side and fall in line on every issue based on the party’s platform? Corporations, according to every Articles of Incorporation that exists, were created to increase the value of its shareholders. The assertion that a greater investment in”free market enterprise” alone will solve all of our problems is about as short-sighted as suggesting Socialism will do the same. The inherit belief that Linda holds glorifies corporations as if we should start worshipping them every Sunday.Gains in corporate profits do not directly correlate to increases in test scores, life expectancy or even unemployment reduction for you or any one else. Certainly there is a vested interest by all that they do well but its not a guaranteed positive yield for the greater good.

The venom spewed at Government coupled with the love fest and loyalty for Corporations ensures that this will be an on-going debate based on emotions and not enough facts in moving our union forward. Many of Government’s programs at initial inception were created to promote the improvement of its citizens and the growth of our Republic. Government-backed mortgages have existed for decades to increase homeownership, the opportunity for generational wealth and stability. Only with deregulation did the abuse of the system occur via complicated mortgage-backed securities leveraged at 78-1 cause the eventual collapse of our economy. There is no practical reason why an artificial value of $78 dollars should be traded against something that’s only worth a $1. Despite the mounting problems in Social Security and current spending levels, do you believe ethical trading practices would occur if we would’ve let hedge funds, banks and other investment banks invest Social Security dollars as the Bush Administration suggested? The wealth created by these transactions or other ponzi schemes is false and built around bubbles.

A regulated free market system rooted in common sense policy that promote the advancement of American citizens is sorely needed. Since we are discussing taxes, I did some basic research from some seemingly unbiased sources Buearu of Labor Statistics, Dept. Of Education etc. After taking a quick glance at Georgia compared to Minnesota, the results were disheartening and astounding.

Comparing measures that sheds light on the quality of life; education, life expectancy, unemployment rate, job growth and crime statistics. Georgia lags in every category despite the fact the citizens of Minnesota and Corporations pay higher taxes as a percentage than do their fellow Americans in Georgia. Reviewing these statistics further, the life expectancy and infant mortality rate of many of the southern states rank near the bottom compared to states with greater tax revenue collections. While we see double digit unemployment above the national average, Minnesota is sitting at 7.4% rate below the national average.

Nevertheless, it is disturbing that legislators will continue to trumpet a reduction in education funding in the face of clear evidence that shows greater investment in education per capita yields greater results in producing productive citizens. Georgia is the only state in OUR UNION that is considering using NO STATE funds towards the arts given evidence that shows involvement in the arts leads to higher test scores. Education, infastructure investment and crime statistics will continue to trump tax breaks as the motivation for which companies move to any state. If we are truly a “business friendly” state the conversation needs to centered on the 3 most important factors as opposed to the less significant tax implications for what gives companies their competitive advantage.

Unfortunately, no politician in any local, state or federal election this year will go to a chalkboard and speak candidly to the American citizens without homogenizing the statistics or point blame regarding the current realilty of our Nation. Even if one did the majority of the voting public will look to Beck, Sharpton, Palin, Hannity or Olbermann for their talking points on how to interpret the data.

Stephanie Cook

April 21st, 2010
5:21 pm

I can’t wait to get the hell out of Georgia! It’s the worst place in which I ever set foot!

Thomas

April 21st, 2010
6:03 pm

It’s funny to me how many of you “poor people” have the time to write on this blog, in the middle of the day while your supposedly out there “breaking your back” while us “wealthy” people are collecting all the bonuses. Did they move manual labor jobs to 2nd shift or 3rd shift? Did I miss something?

Comment honestly…. I bet every, single one of your whiny babies has your hand out on a daily basis! Guess where state and local government gets all of this money to “handout” or “re-distribute”. How many “for profit” government agencies do you know of other than locally run utility companies??? None! It’s because they don’t exist! Government doesn’t make money. You know where most of their money comes from??? Speaking for myself … 39.5% of my paycheck goes to Uncle Sam’s pocket. If you consider that a “for profit business” you need to watch a show that was out a couple of years ago called “The Sopranos”. They ran a similar business.

I don’t come from a wealthy family but I seem to be doing ok now. That’s why this country (even with the Obama administration) is the best in the world! I can’t stand it when lazy, ignorant, slum dogs stick their handout! If you don’t pay taxes in the first place why should you get a tax credit? It’s simply a form of welfare. Get a job and stop crying…. I really hope this bill passes!

Thomas

April 21st, 2010
6:04 pm

O yeah … Stephanie Cook … Thats why this bill will be great! It hasent even passed yet and its already weeding out the waste. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!!!

Truth Hurts

April 21st, 2010
6:15 pm

YEA!!! About time! Next is the so called “Earned Income Tax Credit”

Amazing the whiners whining about not getting money that isn’t theirs in the first place!
You already pay no taxes. Give us a break!

Tired of BS

April 21st, 2010
6:29 pm

I’d like to see all entitlements to the poor stopped. Black people should especially be offended by
them since the democrats put them in place to enslave black people again. By encouraging mediocrity we now have a system that is broken and leaches who are standing with their hands out.
Charity begins at home folks. It is not the responsibility of the government. I give plenty of money
to worthy causes I choose, they benefit those who really do need help.

Linda

April 21st, 2010
6:44 pm

American Pride@5:13, Perhaps you are unaware that, increasingly, Americans are becoming Independents, with no allegiance to either the Dem. or Rep. party.
If you read my post at 4:17, you would know, without a doubt, that I glorify & worship God, not corporations. I simply refuse to fall into the ruse by the present adm. & Congress to demonize the rich (many of whom are America’s small business owners) or Wall St. & corporations (which are owned by, employ, borrow from, sell to & represent we the American people).
The cause of the world-wide economic recession was as a result of the Dems/Progressives agenda of Affordable Housing/Social Justice, requiring Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac in the ’90’s under Clinton to relax their previous sound lending standards to make mortgages to low- & moderate-income borrowers who had no income/jobs, bad credit & no money/savings, & allowing Fannie & Freddie to bundle these sub-prime mortgages with other mortgages into these “complicated mortgage-backed securities,” & sell them on Wall St.
Had we let “banks & other investment banks invest Social Security dollars as the Bush Adm. suggested,” their would have been a toll from the dip on Wall St., but Wall St. does not SPENT retirement accts. as does the fed. govt. with Social Security & Medicare benefits. What the fed. govt. does with trust funds would be illegal on Wall St.
The states with the highest taxes are those with the worse education & unemployment statistics. It’s been proven that spending more per student does not result in graduation improvement. We cannot buy life expectancy.

Double Parent

April 21st, 2010
6:59 pm

Thomas, I do have a job, but they let me have a lunch break. Unfortunately for me, Wednesday is not one of the days I get lunch. I have worked for a board of education for 20 years, but with 8 furlough days this year I have lost 20 pounds because food is not in the budget. Wait, before you go there I’ll just let you know I was not overweight to begin with. I will tell you that one week I ate brownies for lunch and dinner because the brownie mix was all that was left in the pantry. I hate to admit it, but I have been so hungry I cried. I have been looking for part-time work but have not found anything. Are they hiring where you work–I’ll put in an application.

Eric

April 21st, 2010
7:14 pm

I am poor (laid off from work) and was very grateful for the $20 low income credit this year. I am still looking for a full-time job, no thanks to those at the capital. So go ahead and rub salt in the wound–take my $20. They say what goes around, comes back around. Those making such decisions may be looking for work themselves soon.

Rural Education

April 21st, 2010
9:24 pm

Linda, please quit reading from the Limbaugh bible and face facts. The shrub did all he could to deregulate every area of the economy and it shows. Some of you honestly think that the “robber baron” era was a good thing and that Progressive Movement (championed by a Republican) was evil. The truth is we all profit as a society when the least among us have hope not hopelessness. Why don’t we just chain children to machines again and completely abuse the lower class. There is even a fringe of the Republican party that wants to do away with the direct election of Senators. Furthermore while you are quoting scripture, how about this “but for the grace of God go I.”

Linda

April 21st, 2010
10:24 pm

Rural@8:24, What Bible do you read from? There is but one Bible & it has nothing to do with Limbaugh.
The Progressive Caucus are all Dems but there are Progressive Reps (in the closet).
The Progressives are evil.
The truth is the least among us have the greatest hope from us as individuals & from charity organizations, not the fed. govt.
We abuse the lower class by chaining them to the Nanny State. They deserve better.
Good night & may God bless you.

America is going downhill

April 21st, 2010
10:29 pm

Wall Street gets richer by the day and Main Street gets poorer. And if you don’t think this is right, you’re called socialist and a ‘librul”. Pathetic.

American Pride

April 21st, 2010
10:44 pm

Linda,

We are having a discussion that’s framed under two different arguments. I present you with unbiased substantiated facts and you provide me with more dittohead remarks from the Beck/Hannity school of thought.

I guess it’s necessary for me to now state my background before making comments since it appears to give one more moral authority to take a certain position because of employment status and religious affiliation. As an imperfect but Born-Again Christian and over 10 years in Executive-level management experience in Banking and Consulting, I can tell you that with absolute certainty that everything you just mentioned about “social justice”, Fannie/Freddie is completely false and having religion is just as important as having spiritualality.

Banks were never “forced” to lend to under-served populations to satisfy CRA requirements or because the evil Democrats forced them to. As an Executive for the Community Development division of a bank based in downtown Atlanta, Federal CRA requirements were satisfied primarily through one business model based on Federal legislation that has been in place since 1986, the Low Income Housing Tax Program. Banks have essentially 3 ways in which to satisfy this requirement to invest in the communities they serve and this was primarily the means in which they did so. The program is complicated (and since research doesn’t mean as much to you) I will just simply explain it by saying when a bank purchases tax credits via this program they satisfy their CRA need in addition to off-setting their tax liability with the tax credit.

The subprime industry never originated or operated out of the primary bank business that we have traditionally known. Many of the failed mortgage companies were subsidiaries of banks that didnt used anything remotely similar to the Fannie/Freddie underwriting guidelines to make mortgages. WAMU, World Savings Bank, Long Beach, IndyMac Bank were all banks in name but operated their subsidiaries seperate from their primary business. Despite the fact that many of the customers may have qualified for conventional mortgages, many were steered to these companies because of the profit potential and reduced risk they provided as the subsidiaries in many instances didnt service the originated loan. Do you think the grandmother, on fixed income with a paid for home, called the subsidiary to get a loan or is it more likely she called the bank where her SSI check is deposited each month. The systematic steering of customers to these products was not by accident. Please research companies like ResMae and New Century to see who the primary investors were that purchased these mortgages and eventually sold them as MBS’

The “sound” underwriting standards of Fannie/Freddie haven’t changed significantly in that it would have increased the homeownership levels exponentially in the last 10 years. These institutions yielded to investor concerns like other companies and purchased these MBS as end-investors despite the fact that many didnt meet their underwriting criteria. The eventual crash in Residential real estate dropped Freddie/Fannie’s capital investment in other RE assets that were performing. The same tax credits that banks purchase, Freddie/Fannie had no need for because why purchase a tax credit when no profits exist? Please do a simple google search on any article that examines this phenomenon. Fannie/Freddie wants to dump previously-purcahsed tax credits to further depress tax credit purchases because supply would exceed demand considerably.

Please tell me how attacking the people that were steered to these mortgages releases the banks from any liability. It’s easy to say they took out mortgages they couldnt afford, but shouldn’t level of criticism be directed to the institutions (AIG, Lehman Bros, JP Morgan) that sold these MBS even though their risk-based model didnt properly account for the underlying asset not being able to cover potential losses in case of default. Oh I forgot, the basis of your argument people are innately bad but corporations are developed for the greater good. The lending standards of sub-prime companies, funded by banks, continued to be laxed to satisfy the appetite of end-investors for MBS products that yielded returns greater than conventional investments. Luckily, the top MBA programs are no longer feeding students to Wall Street firms that have operated under the guise of what’s good for Wall Street is good for all.

Regulation coupled with ethical business practices is just as important revenue growth for corporations. Requiring our leaders to have a moral compass grounded in spirituality instead of religious pandering is more important if we are to honestly talk about religion being apart of the tapestry of our everyday lives. Providing a small portion of tax revenue that may prevent a child from being uprooted from his school, giving job training to a recovering drug addict or giving a struggling single mother an extra $50 to pay her constant-rising GA. Power bill doesn’t desolidify or challenge my belief in Christ but hopefully does the opposite.

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maryann

April 23rd, 2010
11:15 am

and where do you think that 26 dollars is coming from ? other tax payers, borrow from peter to pay paul, not how to do things, we are going under, and pretty soon WE will be called the land down under, and for a few comments of those, who dont know what your talking about or think you do, have not been there, I have, single mom of one, part time, cant get full time in retail, due to body buying, and where I work its not a lot its food but people are cutting back even on food. I make 12000. a year if I made full time i would make 20,160 a year, I have a cell I have to pay for 40 dollars a mo, I have a pc I got off Ebay from a friend, for 20.00 dollars its over 20 years old but it works I am using someone eles truck just to go too work, I can not get help with food , I make 5 dollars over, their limit. I cant get health insure. for myself with mediicage LOLOL WHY I have a job more matter, 17 hrs a week or 20 dose not mattter,when I see the poor people, ()others)) on cell phones, new cars, etc I ask why ?? how??? I ve seen them with food stamp card buy a 1400.00 wedding cake and ask why ??? I know one part, alot live in housing, which can run you aboutt 100 a month, II pay 615.00 amonth Im not living in housing. so tells me that govorment housing is not really looking at the whole pics, or sure If I did, than I bet I could get that new car, and new phone and new pc. I do it on my own, why cant they.this is comming from a poor person

john

April 30th, 2010
5:39 am

Stay in school, don’t have babies you can’t afford to pay for and care for, and begin taking personal responsibility for the choices you make – I or other taxpayers don’t own your poor choices!