House reconsiders its vote on health care controversy

The Republican majority in the Georgia House revived legislation Wednesday, calling for a constitutional amendment on allowing Georgians to opt out of President Obama’s national health care reform plan.

The constitutional amendment failed to receive the 120 votes Monday for passage.  It’s author, Rep. Calvin Hill (R-Canton) immediately asked the House to reconsider the vote, which followed more than two hours of passionate debate.

On Wednesday morning, the House voted 110 to 58  to reconsider Monday’s vote.  That required only a simple majority of the 180-member House, but creates the possibility that the constitutional amendment could be brought back for another vote.

At the same time, a resolution was circulating among House members, calling on state Attorney General Thurbert Baker to join other attorneys general in questioning the legality of the national health care reform bill that passed Sunday night in Washington.

On the constitutional amendment, Hill told his House colleagues the goal is to protect Georgians’ 10th amendment rights and prevent Georgians  “from being forced to purchase insurance, the ultimate unfunded mandate.”

House Minority Whip Carolyn Hughley (D-Columbus)  countered that the proposed amendment is “nothing more than the politics of fear.”

Constitutional experts have said what the Legislature does likely won’t make any difference.

Larry Palmer, a professor of law at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Va., and a specialist in health law and policy, said because the health care bill ties the so-called “individual mandate” to income tax penalties and credits, the state action is likely to have little effect.

“The power of the federal government to provide incentives and disincentives through the tax code is extremely broad, ” Palmer said. “The state legislation is of no practical legal effect.”

In Atlanta, Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz said that since the New Deal the courts “have generally allowed Congress very broad latitude in enacting policies designed to regulate interstate commerce and promote the general welfare.”

Besides, said Doug Miller, dean of the school of medicine at the Medical College of Georgia, the immediate impact of the bill is not fully understood.

“In all of its complexity, it is good that more people will have access to health care, ” he said, referring to the estimated 32 million Americans who will gain health insurance, a figure Rogers called “overblown.”

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David S

March 24th, 2010
11:54 am

Then clearly the next step to protect the citizens of GA is for them to intervene between the IRS and the citizens. The state should take the tax money, withhold its portion and then send Washinton the rest. Further, if they are really concerned about protecting us from DC, they could always pass the Liberty Amendment which would repeal the 16th amendment and prohibit income taxation once and for all. Lets see if even the republicans have the courage to do such a wonderful thing for the citizens of this state. There are more than enough states upset at DC at this point to pass such an amendment, but the politician’s love for other people’s money far surpasses any lie that may come out of their mouths about caring for the citizens or their rights.

> 500k man

March 24th, 2010
11:56 am

Attention low life Obama supporters. You are poor because you make bad decisions in life, are too lazy to work hard, and too sorry to get a good education. Then you expect people like me to bail you out. Nobody owes you anything. It’s not my fault that you are too lazy to work hard to achieve success. The politicians play you for a fool. They promise you handouts but the truth is you’ll still be poor even after you get the handouts. Meanwhile they laugh all the way to the bank as you clowns keep voting them back into office. Face it, poor people stink. Now go back to your trailer or ghetto dwelling and wait on your next welfare check.

Yo Momma!

March 24th, 2010
12:02 pm

^^I’m an Obama supporter and I’m not poor. I am a college graduate, own my own home, and have managed to live well within my means.

You are a hateful being and I pray that God strikes you down, so that you are reduced to wallow in the same filth and posion that you spew.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
12:07 pm

This healthcare bill is a blatant, communistic scheme of Obama. It will bankrupt this country and put it in dire danger and only hurts the citizens of this great nation. It is utterly to say the least a violation of the constitution based on True American Citizens’ right to choose and to not be forced by government to purchase anything or be jailed or fined. That is communism within itself!!!!

IMPEACH OBAMA TODAY!! REQUIRE OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL FILE THE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOV’T TODAY AND PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!! IF HE FAILS, DEMAN HIS FIRING AND REPLACE HIM!!

sab

March 24th, 2010
12:07 pm

@ >500k man

Is that how much money you make? Is your manhood so small and your insecurity so high, you must identify yourself by your salary? Some people may be poor on the outside, but you are desolate on the inside, in your spirit where it most counts. It sounds as if you are a very unhappy person. I will pray for you.

Jason McGee

March 24th, 2010
12:11 pm

I think my Bible says something about healing the sick. It looks like I haven’t picked up the rewritten Scripture that says no such thing. Man, I am SO 20th-century!

coolman

March 24th, 2010
12:12 pm

500k man you must be very lonelly in your life. it might take god a minute to show you but he will.he will bring you to your knees

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
12:16 pm

Definition of “True American Citizen”…those that DID NOT vote for Obama…..those that want less government, NO COMMUNISM, NO SOCIALISM, NO DICTATORSHIP and agressive, positive actions by the citizens of this great nation to protect our freedoms and rights from those that wrongly legislate, those that don’t pay taxes, those that are illegal in this country and those UNJUSTLY receiving government benefits (social security, welfare, food stamps, unemployment (I said unjustly recieiving), free educations from our colleges, federal/state grants, SBA loans, etc., etc.) when they could otherwise work and earn them.

Clem

March 24th, 2010
12:16 pm

Well, 500k Man, I am thrilled that you make so much money. However, many people who do not have health insurance DO work. Some have been laid off. Some have been dropped from their insurance plan because they got sick. You are an angry person, and I feel sorry for you. And by the way, studies have proven that Obama supporters are better educated than the general population.

Red

March 24th, 2010
12:18 pm

Jason – I think Jesus was the one healing the sick. Not sure where in the Bible it says tax people endlessly to pay for others’ healthcare. I missed that book. I guess we have no problem with paying for the liver transplant for the alcoholic, or the lung or heart transplant for the chain smoker. The 300 lb man living off of Big Macs? Pay for his coverage too. Looks like we’re covering risky behavior that drives up costs – WAIT! To cover that, we now give the federal government domain to regulate what we eat, smoke, drink, etc. Wow. Each of Marx’s bullet points of the Communist Manifesto are being checked off one by one. Lenin, Mao, and others thought war would achieve communist utopia. Liberals are doing it slowly and without a shot being fired. Our healthcare, our education, our spending, college loans, etc.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

Those of you who want to repeal the healthcare law, which of the following thigs do you want to repeal? This law immediately prohibits insurance companies from excluding children from coverage for pre-existing conditions. Later it prohibits insurance companies from excluding adults or charging more for pre-existing conditions. It prohibits insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. It eliminates lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits. It begins to close the “donut hole” on prescription drugs for senior citizens. It requires new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost sharing. It limits the out-of-pocket expenses your insurance company can make you pay. It extends coverage for young Americans, allowing them to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to their 26th birthday if they choose. It lets you comparison shop for a quality, affordable health plan through a new health insurance exchange or marketplace. If you want to repeal any of these things, then you are stupid. These things help everybody!!

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

March 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

I am a white, educated professional and an Obama supporter so far. Most of the posters are just a paycheck or two away from needing healthcare assistance and unemployment compensation and their hatefilled, uninformed rantings are racist no matter what moral sounding words they are couched in. We fought a civil war over states’ rights…and the south lost. We had a lying president and vice-president for 8 years but they were treated with the respect their offices deserved no matter how outrageous or blatantly illegal their actions were. The previous administration and congress did nothing for the American people. Oh forgive me, they took a treasury surplus and depleted it. Started a war based on lies and villified people who used their brains to question things. Passed what kind of legislation that helped those of us in the middle class? Instead of reacting to inaccurate or dishonest sound bites why not read the legislation? Instead of acting like uneducated and immoral ingrates who have somehow lost sight of the principals and morals and goodness upon which this county was founded why not do something? Instead of treating this president differently, and the office without respect, because deep down one truly doesn’t want a biracial man as president, why not educate yourself and become active in a positive manner?

Poor but Proud

March 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

500K Man……I’m a very lower middle class person that works hard everyday, pays taxes and has health insurance. I’ve never asked or expected for a thing from the government. But circumstances happen to goold people that are out of our control so get off your high horse a#$hole!!! God giveth and God taketh away….beware…. but I’m sure you’re probably a non-believer anyway!!!!

KS

March 24th, 2010
12:23 pm

Health,happiness,and employment are not rights, but persuits… we have the right to persue… achievement of these goals depends totaly on the sucesses of your ability to persue.

Matt H

March 24th, 2010
12:24 pm

Clem, what studies are you referring to? I would love to see them. Look at the election results on a county by county map. Most of the Obama support came from the inner city areas of the countries major cities. I know for a fact this is not the highly educated portion of America. You can also look at tons of studies that show Republican voters have higher college degrees and more education overall than Democratic voters. Of course there are smart people on both sides, but all studies show that the Republican party traditionally has members with more education.

Pirl

March 24th, 2010
12:24 pm

500K man you’re 100% spot on!

I got Yo Momma's Back!

March 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

I too, am a college graduate who supports Obama and is not poor. I’m not quite sure what the 3 have in common, maybe someone could clear that up. Why don’t all those who are so eager for the Attorney General to file suit against the federal government go read the Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution. We are finally joining the rest of the world in progressive medicine and health care. In case “500k man” has forgotten, McCain, the second option, was also interested in reforming the health care system during his campaign.

Loves People

March 24th, 2010
12:30 pm

Red- You need to broaden your talking points about all the people that’s being covered. You just talked about those who don’t take care of themselves. How about those who do but we’re laid off who now have no health insurance and those whose insurance has been cut because of the recession that began under the republican administration.

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:30 pm

middler, get your head out of the sand. Bush was treated very badly while he was in office. If he said anything that made him sound unintelligent it was on the news, in the AJC, etc. Obama can say that he has visited 57 states, will reduce my medical premiums by 3000% and we not hear anything about this. Your man is in office so enjoy it while you can.

JUST BECAUSE

March 24th, 2010
12:30 pm

It is against the constitution and freedoms of americans for the government to take personal property from one to give that personal property to another. Healthcare is just that. It takes from one person to provide for the personal needs of another. It IS unconstitutional. The government cant take your money to donate it to the Kidney foundation no more then they should be allowed to take you money to donate it to Joe Blows healthcare insurance. This is overstepping the boundaries that our forfathers set forth in writing the constitution. Social security was to be a temporary and voluntary program but the government took over and forced withdraws from peoples paychecks then turned it into a everyday slush fund. This government rule of people and their earnings has got to stop. Before to long, there will not be enough money left in your paycheck for you to support your own family. Then what will you as a worker and taxpayer do?

Its time to stop the madness. Vote them all out in November.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

March 24th, 2010
12:31 pm

Let’s see. Blame Obama’s administration for actually wanting to take action to curb the expensive ills the rest of us pay for obesity and smoking and lack of exercise? Even my insurance company puts their money where their mouth is in offering incentives for eating well and exercising but Obama is a communist for wanting to offer the same kinds of incentives? The fast food industry and our lazy butts don’t take care of ourselves so some kind of positive intervention is bad? And education? When did this no child left behind program, with its insane demands for test improvements at any cost and no requirement for actual education improvements, and refusal of any kind of input from active, in-the-classroom educators, come into effect? Let’s see, was it in the previous administration? Mistakes are going to be made and have to be corrected but at least something is happening. And how did Jesus get into this? Not everyone uses Jesus for everything but I do seem to remember the instructions he gave people about how they treat others, especially the “least” of the others. And he healed the sick regardless of whether they were lucky enough to be able to pay him. It’s wonderful that some of us have jobs and insurance but we don’t have these because we are better people; we have them because we are fortunate.

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:36 pm

College graduates are not what they used to be. Momma complains about someone being hateful but she calls on God to strike him/her down (very juvenile on your part momma; also liked her spelling of poison).

Momma’s back suffering from a shortage of creativity (cannot even come up with a unique name) and what is this “joining the rest of world” garbage. The govt cannot even run the VA hospitals in an acceptable manner. How are they going to run Obamacare? Like Medicare (with $60 billion in fraud/year)? Funny we don’t hear the educated democrats on here discussing this.

Brian McIntosh

March 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

I’m cool for helping people but not when the government is trying to rip me off. And I will not put up with being forced to pay for health care. People this is not about Republican or Democrat. That party crap is stupid. Get over yourselves! This is about the government, both Dems. and Rep., who pull the wool over our eyes. Y’all seem to be more concerned at who is at fault than what is really going on. There are good things in this bill but there are way too many things underneath that will hurt the American people.

Red

March 24th, 2010
12:41 pm

Loves People – I’d rather not pay for coverage of people who have poor health choices and continue to do so. These are considered pre-existing conditions and at risk behavior that insurance companies did not want to cover. Now we’re forced to cover these people who have no sense. And it is these people who will drive costs up for repeated visits, surgeries, prescriptions, etc.

As for the “Republican recession”, you do realize Democrat policies had more to do with this correct? And you do realize that instead of working on fixing the economy, Obama’s priorities have been elsewhere like rewarding his special interests for his election. Instead of working to keep people from losing their jobs, he causes their companies to lose more money and thus HAVE to cut jobs. In a downturned economy, you do not make it harder on the businesses who do the hiring.

And what of the talk of the “evil insurance companies raking in profits at our expense”? Liberals ranted about these inhuman companies taking advantage of us. But what did Obama do? Cornered the market for them. He used the power of government to force 32 million more customers into their hands. Notice the stocks of insurers and pharm companies yesterday. “Evil profits” were made all because of Obama’s new law. Not a single CEO of one of these evil companies wept Sunday night. instead they probably bought every single stock they could in their own companies.

Really

March 24th, 2010
12:41 pm

Here’s a great idea:

If you are a Rep, and you don’t want government interference, don’t ever accept Social Security; Medicare; Food Stamps; any form of tax credit or subsidy; or any grants. Let’s see you do it all by yourself! By the way, big business is the largest receiver of “welfare” in this country.

Roswell Dem

March 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

If the foaming at the mouth opponents of health care reform had functioning brain cells, they might appreciate the delicious irony of their profound hypocrisy on the issue.

While screaming about the unconstitutionality of the bill, one of the conservatives’ two talking points proposals regarding health care was unanimously rejected as unconstitutional by the Georgia Supreme Court, not exaclty a hotbed of socialism.

Capping jury awards in malpractice cases is blatantly unconstitutional and represents a rather obvious expression of “big government” power over the people, who right wing types evidently think are too dumb to make decisions of that sort.

I thought right wingers were all for a limited role by big government. But being an abject hypocrite is a prerequisite nowadays for being a conservative. Whatever fits into their rigid ideological view of the world is fine, regardess of whether it completely goes against their supposed philosophical beliefs.

To paraphrase our plain-speaking VP, modern conservatives are “too f—ing stupid” to be taken seriously by anyone who doesn’t share their mindless hatred for all things Obama and Democratic.

Otis Campbell

March 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

Thanks Barry for covering me in my liver transplant! I can keep on drinking and the liver’s replaceable!

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

Middler, man you are clueless. I have insurance because I am fortunate??? Good job on your part drinking the liberal kool-aid.

I have insurance because I busted my rear-end off in the military & in college receiving an engineering degree. I work hard making the company that employees me lots of money. In return I get a salary and benefits. How is that fortunate? It is because of my work ethic which seems foreign to you. I decided to make good life choices; those that drive around Atlanta with Obama bumper stickers most often than not appear to have made bad life choices.

Obama da Man

March 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

If our healthcare is so bad why do so many foreigners come here to get healthcare. And you certainly do not see them going to other countries to go to medial school. Don’t complain when healthcare is rationed and your loved one is deemed by the government watchdogs to have a long outcomes score and therefore scheduled to die for lack of care.

JJ

March 24th, 2010
12:45 pm

If the House of Reprsentatives is so hot to eliminate mandates related to health they should start with the ones Georgia imposes on its citizens such as – businesses having to buy workman’s compensation insurance in order to operate–helmets for motorcycle and bike riders- wearing life rafts in boats-sanitation and food inspections-auto liability insurance- and the list could go on and on. Maybe some of the Georgia House that are so upset should be joining Rush in Costa Rica.

Matt H

March 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

Really, why wouldn’t Republicans accept these programs? They are the ones whose taxes fund them!!!

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

Really, please change your name to Really Clueless. I am not qualified to receive any tax credits because I am part of the evil rich. Also, for SS clown I am paying the maximum allowed by law. Why should I not be able to at least get about 20% of what I paid back?

You must have a GED.

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

> 500k man

March 24th, 2010
11:56 am

You’re and idiot, because you think only poor people and those on welfare support this bill. Think again. I have health, life and auto insurance. I’m colleged educated, home owner, taxpayer, etc… and I support healthcare 100%.

Keep thinking that only the poor wanted this change to healthcare.

jbarkatl

March 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

There is a right way and wrong way to do this. And while I agree that the insurance companies have become greedy and are all concerned about money, the government does not need to run/control a private sector business. Rules to enforce would have been a good start. Next on their list, Loans – starting with student loans then working upwards. Shortly after, Broadband Internet. Companies from Comcast to even where i work will get hit with it. Who knows what will be next, government cell phones, government grocery stores… setting regulations for the companies would be a great way to start. Controlling it 100%, that’s not the Republic that our constitution is based on.

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Roswell Dan is pissed because he is one of about a dozen demorats who live in North Fulton.

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

Interesting to see all of these “college educated” people on here supporting Obama. What did you major in or your field of work? I would guess 99% of them would be Liberal Arts and work as teachers or lawyers.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

Brian McIntosh,
I’m betting you already have health insurance, and if you do, this law will not affect you at all. If you don’t and can afford it, then you are one of the deadbeats that the rest of us are paying for through our higher insurance premiums and taxes.

Really

March 24th, 2010
12:55 pm

Matt H, I am sure Republicans hatred for anything GOVERNMENT will not allow them to accept and benefit and enjoy social security; medicare; tax breaks (or incentives); grants or scholarships for degrees; etc. Wouldn’t that be un-republican?

Let me go a little further. I don’t want to pay for illegals. I don’t want to pay for those who are not trying to do better. But, s–t happens! Let’s focus on securing the borders, that should be our new priority. Let’s punish irresponsible parents. Let’s be sensible.

Brian

March 24th, 2010
12:58 pm

Lucy, nope I don’t have health insurance. I never have. I’m just part of the white middle class. I’m 21, going through college, working, and trying to pay for a car (ya know, trying to be a responsible adult). But unfortunately in 2014, it will be that much harder. Thanks for the great analysis of my life. I’m sure the “y’all” I put in there must have made you see that I’m a low life, but at least I spelled it right.

FED up

March 24th, 2010
1:03 pm

The Federal Gov. is taking liberties it was not given by WE THE PEOPLE, there is a document that is the law of the land and apparently congress, the senate and the President seem to think they can pick and choose when it applies to them. This healthcare bill, no matter how well intentioned it may be has utterly shredded the constitution with all the illegal mandates and entitlements.
what this does is gives the tyrants at the Federal level the green light to pass and introduce even more legislation that infringes on our God given rights and our way of life under the constitution the way the it was intended by the founding fathers.

google: operation garden plot, UCC-1,

People, we have been duped by our own elected officials. Freedom doesn’t exist. Now more then ever we need to stand up like our predecessors who fought in war after war to protect what our government is taking from us with the stroke of a pen.

ittetley

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

I do want the law repealed because I don’t feel it is right to take money from one group and give it to another. People make choices and I should not have to pay higher insurance premiums so my neighbor that chooses not purchase healthcare can continue buying new cars and $150 shoes. Don’t say it doesn’t happen either, because I see it everyday at the grocery store.

Really

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

Sorry Milton Man, no GED. I actually have two degrees. And, for the record, I am not against being rich or wealthy. I am against arrogance and stupidity. I am for commonsense and accountability.

Tell me why my child should be punished for having a “pre-existing” condition? He didn’t ask for it. And, I wouldn’t wish for any parent to have to witness their flesh and blood suffering and not have access to treatment because of “pre-existing” condition. When my child cries, and I can’t get the medicine because the insurance company won’t approve it, what am I to do? (And I have private insurance.) I beg of you… use some commonsense before you open your mouth.

Kevin

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

Clem, please back up your assertation about the education level of Obama supporters. Because I’m calling a BS flag on that one.

Gary Busey

March 24th, 2010
1:14 pm

Thanks Obama for covering my rehab bills.

HNBC

March 24th, 2010
1:16 pm

I, too, am a college graduate, in fact, I have a master’s degree, and I support the health care reform. Those of you who think that only the poor undeducated voted for Obama and agree with health care are sadly mistaken. If’ts you who are to be pitied, mistrusted and do not think for yourselves as you listen to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

By the way, has Rush packed and purchased his one-way airline ticket yet? I want to wave him on his way.

26 year old in Mama's basement

March 24th, 2010
1:18 pm

Thanks Obama for covering me. I can now sit in my mom’s basement, eatin’ munchies, playing video games, and smokin’ for medicinal purposes and not have to worry about health care!

tanning bed user

March 24th, 2010
1:22 pm

All this crap about racism – what about this new tax on my tanning salon trip? Everyone knows only us pale skinned people go there. This is a racist tax solely on the color of our skin! Obama’s new law is racially discriminatory!

Atlantan

March 24th, 2010
1:23 pm

If you really want to get mad, read this garbage http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/03/24/republican-party-is-stained-by-the-racism-of-its-fringe/ Apparently its ok for Cynthia Tucker to make broad sweeping generalizations about ALL republicans. Complete nonsense. SHE is the real RACIST.

Maccadave

March 24th, 2010
1:25 pm

“The politics of fear,” What an interesting quote from Rep. Hughley. In fact there is a great deal of fear of this new Healthcare legislation. Obviously, you slept during history class. These entitlements are not what this nation was built on under the Constitution, which directly reflects the ideals of the Founding Fathers. They had a vision for this nation set forth in the basis for this government, and now that vision is blind because of people who don’t understand what the USA is built upon.

Let us go ahead and burn the Constitution, we aren’t using it anymore. We have two choices, take the country back before we become the United Socialist States of America, or with someone re-elect Jefferson Davis and bring back the CSA. Their Constitution actually puts God in charge.

TC

March 24th, 2010
1:25 pm

Let’s see… the government has such an outstanding track record of “paying” for social programs… hum;

1935: Social Security Act – 2010: BROKE
1965: Medicare/Medicaid – 2010 BROKE
2010: Health Care “reform” – 2010 Unsustainable…

Nay Sayers only TALK a good game...

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

You know what disturbs me is MOST people that oppose this bill simply oppose Obama in general. I remember when he was running for office some of the Reblucicans I know opposed all of his ideas, but when they were laid off during this sinking economy they were the FIRST to sign up for the COBRA subsidy which was implemented under his reign as president. Healthcare will be the same way. They will publically deny the need for this bill but be the first to sign up for it. It’s sort of comical to me because most of the so called wealthy Americans who say they don’t want to pay for this aren’t wealthy anyway, they are infact middle class Americans living check to check, and when their jobs are taken from them they will be the first in line. Those of us that make over 200k who will ultimately carry the burden can afford to do so! So as I said in the beginning Nay Sayers only TALK a good game. Enjoy the benefit of being able o have affordable healthcare!

Atlantan

March 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

@ middler and so tired of all the rhetoric : A VP who uses the F bomb on national television “deserves respect”? Laughable.
@ Lucy Why can’t a 26 year old get a job and get their own insurance? I’m 26 and have been working since I got out of college (at 22) for companies that have provided me with healthcare. I also turned down jobs from companies that did not provide health care. That is how the free market works. So now I guess people can sit on their butts from the time they are 18 and out of high school until the time they are 26? Awesome…America promotes mediocrity and a crybaby society…this is why countries like China are going to take over.

Idiocy

March 24th, 2010
1:36 pm

The fact that the GA legislature is wasting their time and our tax dollars on this is pitiful. I don’t want to take sides either way, you can love the health bill or hate it, but trying to change the GA constitution is pointless. Federal laws always overide those of the states, and the supreme court has upheld that fact repeatedly. As I am sure all the ammendment sponsors know, that makes this avenue of attack a dead end for any type of results, and must be taken as simple political posturing. Nothing the state house can do will change what the federal government has decided. Please get over yourselves, and do what you were elected to do, instead of harping on whatever the political fervor of the moment happens to be.

Only Time will Tell

March 24th, 2010
1:38 pm

I am printing all of your comments so in say 6-8 months when the new health care bill kicks in and doesn’t prove to be as disasterous as you all claim, you can chew on your own words. No one on this blog knows what’s going to happen good or bad with this new bill, so have a seat, take a pause for the cause and see want unfolds…uptight dilrods…especially you, Milton…

ATL Guy

March 24th, 2010
1:45 pm

The Republican Party is milking this healthcare issue for their own financial benefit. They know that the courts will kick their stupid lawsuits to the curb. The government doesn’t mandate that you buy electricity or water however any house built today must be inspected to have electrical and water inspections passed. By default, this means that the government mandates that houses built must be built to government code (mandated) and that they have water and electrical systems (mandated again). As unrelated to healthcare as this may seem, it does show that government mandates affect our lives and are law of the land without us knowing they exist.

Grunt

March 24th, 2010
1:47 pm

MiltonMan @ 12:51- As if being a teacher is such a sinful job. You people are beyond hope. Stop quoting the Bible and talking about how Christian a nation this is, because its definitely not being shown. And I anyone to try and refute that.

Hmmmmmmm

March 24th, 2010
1:49 pm

Middler

For someone who insists they are tired of all the rhetoric, you sure are full of “rhetoric”….. I would question the amount of education, and the quality of education you have, if you REALLY do support a incompetent President and even more incompetent cast of idiots that is congress…. Wake up, Middler, we don’t have very long…..

Mike T.

March 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

We need to do in Georgia ,like what’s going to happen in November nationwide and get rid of these bleeding heart liberal democrats.This country is headed full steam into socialism.Take from the working
class and give to the deadbeats.

Other 5%

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

What about me? Obama said 95% will be covered. What about the other 5%?

Fuzzy Math

March 24th, 2010
2:04 pm

Let’s see. Over 46 million uninsured. Obama plans on covering 32 million. This leaves over 14 million uninsured. So all this talk about not leaving anyone uninsured is crap. All this talk about helping those who are uninsured? Sorry for the rest of you. You obviously amount to nothing. If YOU die because of lack of healthcare, no big deal. Obama pandered to a select group and caused a huge expansion of powers.

And I’d like to know how taking over college loans impacts your healthcare. I guess THAT was needed as well. All this does is create a pool to dip into when this funding dries up. Kind of like Social Security. When you can’t borrow or print any more money, dip into Social Security.

Pat Harris

March 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

Anyone who is an American citizen and their children, who have paid any money into Medicare and Medicaid has earned the right to have health insurance. CASE CLOSED!

Chris

March 24th, 2010
2:14 pm

I LOVE THIS Health Bill…Now that it is perfectly acceptable to wait and pay for insurance AFTER I get sick…Am going to expect the Auto Insurance Business to allow me to wait to pay for collision insurance until AFTER I wreck mycar! And Home Owners Insurance won’t pay any longer until AFTER my home burns down. My mother lives in Florida, telling her to forego here hurricane Insurance until AFTER she has damage from a hurricane. All the same isn’t it?

Only Time will Tell

March 24th, 2010
2:17 pm

^^no dummy it isn’t..I swear…

Red

March 24th, 2010
2:22 pm

Pat Harris – there is no right to health insurance. And what does Medicare and Medicaid have to do with your and everyone else’s health insurance?

Ricky

March 24th, 2010
2:23 pm

Well said 500K man!!

Thelma

March 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Let me just make sure that I have this right. Under ObamaCare children up to the age of 26 can stay on their parents’ insurance policies. So if daughter Suzy is a little non-motivated and she is living in the basement, doing her own thing (whatever that is) and her boyfriend, Bruno, moves in and they cohabitate and Suzy gets pregnant, then mommy and daddy’s health insurance will cover Suzy’s pregnancy and child birth…. Which lets Bruno off the hook from going out to get a job and supporting his family. So after Bruno Jr. is born will Bruno Jr also be covered on his grandparents health insurance? If not then he will be covered by OC, right??? So when exactly will Suzy and Bruno have to grow up and become responsible adults??? At the age of 27?

Bill from Cobb

March 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

I make 1mil. and have to agree with 500k man. People care more about watching American idol than getting off their butts and making their own way. They elected the dark prince to steal from the hard workers to give it to the low lifes. He is a modern day robin hood.

Georgia Native

March 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

Good grief, people! Opposers to the health care bill are so transparent – it’s not even funny. Health exchanges were a good idea until it showed up in the bill you insist on opposing. I’m an independent, but you can’t tell me that NO republican congress persons could see the benefit of health care reform – yet NOT ONE VOTE?!! Sure, I make enough to have to pay more taxes later on under this plan but I can afford it. How much is enough?!! If the “haves” continue to have such disregard for the “have-nots” in American, they the “haves” better learn how to sleep with one eye open because people tend to take care of their families by any means necessary when they are desperate.

Drew

March 24th, 2010
2:45 pm

For everyone’s information, the 2008 CNN exit poll showed that among voters without a college degree, Obama won 53-46 over McCain. Among those WITH a college degree, Obama won 53-45. Practically identical.

The level hyperbole in here is astonishing! Yes, hard work makes a lot of people successful. But if you are able to turn hard work and effort into success, some *part* of it is that you are fortunate enough to have been born with a sound mind and body. Not everyone is that fortunate. And some *part* of it is that you have good character, and to some extent that *is* a choice.

So let’s at least stop pretending that it’s all one way or the other – that ALL people who are rich/healthy did it by themselves, or that ALL people who are poor/unhealthy brought their misery upon themselves. Sometimes it works that way, but often it doesn’t.

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
2:53 pm

Thelma

March 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Thelma honey, no one is forcing the parents to keep Suzy (25) on their health insurance. It’s actually a choice and would help students who are still dependent on their parents. Not all occupations, willing to hire young people; offer health insurance or pay well enough that it’s affordable. Would you rather have them get it for free or at tax payers expense? At least, Mommy and Daddy might be willing to take the tax burden off the rest of us.

Bill from Cobb

March 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

What right do you have to expect me to pay for your child with the pre- existing condition. She may not have asked for it but i did not ask you to have her. So under this logic, when my neighbor gets behind on his bills I should have to pay them. How did he help me make the money that he wants to steal? You are nothing but a bunch of wealth hating thiefs that are too sorry to work for it yourselves

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

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jaxspp

March 24th, 2010
3:08 pm

Every year the Republican Georgia legislature thinks of new ways to waste the taxpayer’s time.

Georgia is worse off than it was eight years ago, and getting more worse. Only when Georgia is blue again will it reclaim its standing as a powerhouse in the nation.

Cherokee Mom

March 24th, 2010
3:17 pm

It’s really easy to shove words around on blogs. However, I want to share an experience I recently had that really made me rethink my previous opposition to health care reform. I have an elderly neighbor who’s one of the most hardworking, generous ladies you could ever meet. She lost her health insurance after her company laid her off and she cannot obtain a new policy because of her pre-existing medical conditions. When Cobra runs out, she will be forced to choose medicine or food. Allowing her to get health insurance from one of these exchanges really will make a difference to her life.

In my same neighborhood, I know of 3 kids that grew up with my son and are continuing their education in graduate school. None of them can afford health insurance (they’re in school full time and part time jobs don’t offer insurance) and under this reform, all of them would be allowed to remain on their parents’ coverage until they graduate and start working.

I don’t care much for the political posturing. I see people whose lives are being helped by these reforms (many of which really are common sense) and I can’t help but be grateful that through these partisan times, they are being sacrificed to angry rhetoric and political grandstanding.

Cherokee Mom

March 24th, 2010
3:18 pm

they aren’t being sacrificed***

Tommy

March 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

To all of you Dems calling Republicans hypocrites for taking Social Security, Medicare, etc: let me spell it out for you.

I HAVE to go on Social Security at 65 because the government taxes the snot out any capital gains–i.e., a private-based retirement

I HAVE to go on Medicare because private insurance is too expensive after age 65, because malpractice lawsuits that raise the price of all insurance policies–something the Democratic bill did NOTHING to address

If I lost my job, I would probably HAVE to go unemployment because this adimistration has so terrified every businessperson in the United States that no one will dare add employees, not knowing what sort of unfunded mandate will be dropped on their heads next.

Taking government handouts with a gun to your head does not make you a hypocrite.

PS–children with preexisting conditions are NOT automatically covered in the bill–they left that out. Maybe if someone actually READ the bill before voting on it they would have caught it.

Enjoy your celebration while you can, lefties. This thing is going down in flames. It’s just a matter of time.

Dee

March 24th, 2010
3:25 pm

I just want to know when is Rush Limbaugh leaving the country!!!! He claimed that if the health care bill passed he was moving out of the country or is that another LIE he has told!!!!!!

JD

March 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

@ Bill from Cobb and similar posters — I was born into a working class family, I put myself through undergrad and law school, paid every penny of tuition myself, worked really hard, finished at the top of my class, worked for one of the biggest and best law firms in the southeast, and now run my own law firm making more money than I can reasonably spend. I don’t mean to brag, but I doubt you own vacation homes where I do. And I LOVE this healthcare bill, and the president who fought for it, and the legislators who passed it. Everyone deserves access to good healthcare, and now they have it, and now you are left to fume while the rest of us celebrate a wonderful day for our country. I do, however, feel sorry for you — what’s it like to live with such a hard and bitter heart. I feel pity for you more than anything else, what a sad life.

TRUTH

March 24th, 2010
3:31 pm

It’s a sad day when we are as people ONLY are concerned for ourselves. The Debate in which we seek should be respectful and impartial, but of course it isn’t. I voted for Barack Obama not because I’m a Democrat, but because the alternative was Ignorant, Stupid and very partial to the status qou. The Republican didn’t have any answers, suggestion, goals or Policies that match the greatness of our President Of the United States. Isn’t it enough of the Last 8 years of damage to our great society. What about the Republican party siding against, The New Deal, Civil Rights Act, Medicaid/Medicare, Food Stamps, NAFTA, Fair Employment act. Being wrong is the Republican nature. Be ignorant is their nature, being wrong is their nature and so on….Please be thankful for a President that realizes change is good. Like America should be, what if he decided that the Jim Crow policies of the OLD SOUTH be reversed..wouldn’t you want someone or a President to stand for right. I’m glad I’m not poor, or have NO BOSS, but sad that American will be under the control in a few years of the Great Ignorant Conservatives. May God Bless America , it will need it…

Johns Creek Mommy

March 24th, 2010
3:33 pm

Cherokee Mom, that was one of the most poignant stories I’ve read on these blogs. Best of luck to your neighbor and these students studying for their futures. I have to admit, I was not initially fond of this health care reform. But truthfully, the more I read, the more I’m growing around to it. Some of the current insurance practices are egregious at best and I am so glad that the new laws are finally recognizing this. Also, I have some kids going to college and graduate school soon and I worry that they’ll have to go without insurance just because of their situations.

I agree, we could certainly use less partisanship in this country. I hate how banning insurance companies from dropping coverage once your sick can be construed as socialism. What happened to common sense? I know I will be voting this November with a mind towards how well constructed the arguments for and against the reform are. Many many people actually like the content of these new policies although some of us do disagree with the method of passage. So far, I’ve seen more effort by the Democrats towards fixing up the bill rather than Republicans.

Jason McGee

March 24th, 2010
3:34 pm

Bill from Cobb
March 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

What right do you have to expect me to pay for your child with the pre- existing condition. She may not have asked for it but i did not ask you to have her. So under this logic, when my neighbor gets behind on his bills I should have to pay them. How did he help me make the money that he wants to steal? You are nothing but a bunch of wealth hating thiefs that are too sorry to work for it yourselves

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Gutless, heartless, classless. Why don’t you say this to the face of a parent who struggles every day with their child’s cystic fibrosis. Or Down syndrome. Or asthma. Or anything else.

Seriously, do you have the slightest clue as to how mean and cruel your words are?

TRUTH

March 24th, 2010
3:36 pm

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Alpharetta Transplant

March 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

Bill I remember you mentioned you fired a couple of employees “because they voted for Obama” a while ago. If that was true (and after reading your latest posts I have no reason to doubt that it is indeed true) I just have to say that your callous disregard for anything that doesn’t benefit you is not terribly appealing from an employee morale perspective. If you ever play sports, I’m sure you’ve heard of “taking one for the team?” If you think the whole world is only out to steal your money, I can say that you may be missing tremendous business opportunities.

confused

March 24th, 2010
3:50 pm

I’m confused…all the people talking about their children with pre-existing conditions…can’t they get peach-care in GA? My aunt has downs syndrome and she gets medicare…and she never does without any medicine or care. Please someone clarify (someone who actually has a child who has been denied treatment due to a pre-existing condition)

Terri

March 24th, 2010
3:56 pm

Yes confused….there is Peach Care not to mention Obama’s SCHIP that raised cigarettes 65 cents a pack. Now insuring children up to 26 years old. What happens to Peach Care and all other individual states that help insure children and the SCHIP? All appears to be the same.

Common Sense

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Did it ever occur to some of you that everytime one of these people without health insurance ends up in the hospital that we (tax payers) end up paying for them anyway? Some of you need to get a grip. It’s really not the HC Bill is it? It’s the President. You don’t think he’s doing a good job because he is a person of color. It’s the same reason Kasim Reed narrowly won his election…Knowing damn well he was the more qualified of the two candidates. I hate to say it, but damn this country is no better than it was several decades ago. I look at the Tea Baggers and see all type of nonesense… Why is it that people of color are not among the crowds of hundreds…(maybe thousands) of tea baggers. This is sad people. Since when is America so scared of making things happen. This is basically the same bill that Republicans sent during the Clinton administration. I’m glad the A. General decided to not even entertain the thought of going against the government. Do we not have any trust or faith in the people we elect to office? Man, some of you simply need to look in the mirror and let the truth come to light. I appreciate those who truly consider themselves what they are… I can’t deal with closet racist who say one thing, lie, then cover it up under the guise of free speech…

Reality

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Now, let me understand this….

GA republicans want to spend my tax dollars to create another level of state government to track people that want to opt out of receiving federal money?

Wow – does this make sense to anyone?

It is the REPUBLICANS that are the big government and the fiscally bad party! They have run the State of GA into the ground with big debt and bad budgets. VOTE OUT THE REPUBLICANS!!!

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:02 pm

Now there’s brick throwing; Democrats calling it racism. Could it possibly be an angry voter? Now they’re running to the FBI, etc. Won’t be long before Obama uses these scenarios as an excuse to create Government Police so then he can silence the people or disband protests.

Bill from Cobb

March 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

No one is denied medical care in this country. The people complaining just don’t want to pay for it. They think we should pay for it for them. Why should going to grad school be an excuse for not doing whats right? They chose to continue going when they could have chosen to get a job instead. Life is about choices, to bad that so many Americans want to take the easy way out.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

Common Sense……maybe there are no blacks at tea parties because the majority of them are Democrats. Either way it doesn’t define racism. If they want to go they can.

Ellea

March 24th, 2010
4:06 pm

Boy I thought the Republicans were very religious. Where are their Evangelist on this subject of Health care. The church is so quiet I can hear crickets. I think they would be hard pressed to say Jesus would shut out the sick and poor. Bunch of hypocrites. Would I pay extra to keep someone from dying….hell yeah…DUH

Reality

March 24th, 2010
4:07 pm

@Bill from Cobb: If the content that you write is so very ignorant, at least try to fake us (the readers) out by using proper grammar….

You write at 4:03, “Life is about choices, to bad that so many Americans…”

It should be, “Life is about choices, too bad that so many Americans…”

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

That’s right Bill from Cobb….no one is denied medical care in this country. The little boy attending the signing of the healthcare bill humored me. As the Democrats would like us to believe his mother died because she had no health care insurance. She died because she was sick. It looked ridiculous to me.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:09 pm

What’s your point Reality?

sam

March 24th, 2010
4:09 pm

I don’t know why you think only people who don’t take care of themselves have pre existing conditions I am sure I am not the only one in the world who has children born with illnesses that would not be covered by insurance because they were born with it if this healthcare bill helps them to be able to go to the doctor and get the medical attention they need then I am all for it, but if not it still does’nt help them. It is not only the poor who have preexisting conditions that would not be covered so before you put people down for not having money think how you would feel Mr. Rich man if your children were born with a condition.

Ellea

March 24th, 2010
4:09 pm

Americans can be so selfish. How do you justify keeping little kids from being covered under Health care. Oops I forgot Republicans are only for fetuses in the womb…when you come out you’re on your own.

But I must say Republicans are so good….I mean you have to be good to get the average citizen to march on behalf of insurance companies making billions of dollars. When I see the tea partiers I just shake me head. Ignorance is so sad….so sad. Insurance company executives are laughing at you pitiful fools.

not all religious

March 24th, 2010
4:10 pm

@Ellea I’m conservative and agnostic. Don’t stereotype please.

Bill from Cobb

March 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Sorry, its been a long time since I have had to write anything myself. I should have just gotten my assistant to do it for me.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Moses said to the children of Israel – pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels and I will lead you to the promised land.

Roosevelt said – lay down your shovels, sit on your asses and light up a Camel, this is your promised land.

Obama – has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the promised land.

clarification

March 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

@Cherokee Mom my company’s HC plan has always let children stay on AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN COLLEGE. But this bill lets children stay on their parents plan EVEN IF THEY DO NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. There is a difference.

Reality

March 24th, 2010
4:12 pm

@Terri – I made my point in my 4:01 post.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:12 pm

Ignore them Bill….that’s what people do when they can’t defend themselves.

??

March 24th, 2010
4:13 pm

LOLOLOLOL @ Bill from Cobb. Throw fuel on the fire! “get my asst to do it”

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:13 pm

So what’s your point?

Ellea

March 24th, 2010
4:14 pm

Oh sorry “not religious” this year the Republicans aren’t touting religion (that was for the 2004 election I guess)…now they are so damn mad….lol. Hate the government ….oh but wait…we love American though…..(scratching my head)

not religious

March 24th, 2010
4:16 pm

@Ellea…so much for not stereotyping.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:17 pm

How can the government order an American to purchase a for-profit product from a private corporation?

Ellea

March 24th, 2010
4:18 pm

Oh this board is a snoozer…let me go back to my JOB..where I will GLADLY pay extra for PEOPLE NOT TO DIE IN THE STREETS OR IN DIRTY WELFARE HOSPITALS. Because thats what a human person with a heart wants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob

March 24th, 2010
4:19 pm

Rep. Hughley is correct. It is about fear. Fear of what else the socialist in the White House is going to try and take control of. The majority of the American people do not want socialized medicine but the gang in Washington, Democrats, don’t care what the people want, all they care about is what they want and that is to turn our Democratic Republic into a socialist country much like Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Union. The United Socialis States of America.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:20 pm

This healthcare debacle has nothing to do with compassion for the American people; it’s about POWER.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:21 pm

Ellea…if you are on the job what are you doing posting here? Many Americans on unemployment who would like your job and actually work instead of doing what you are doing. Don’t you think?

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:23 pm

I travel Europe often. Everything you purchase includes a VAT tax (value added tax). These Democrats are jumping on the opportunity to do the same here except they want to call it NAT tax (national added tax). Will those on welfare be exempt?

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not religious

March 24th, 2010
4:24 pm

Oh Ellea, i assumed you didn’t have a job…like most dems who are looking for a handout…how’s that for a stereotype?

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

lol not religious – has a job but doing this while being paid. Wonder if she works for the state?

Terri

March 24th, 2010
4:30 pm

Why do majority of blacks belong to the Democratic party? It’s nothing more than political slavery. They keep them dependent on their party only for votes. Excuse the pun but it’s like political paralysis.

Commonsenseagitator

March 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

It is amazing, the hate and ignorance posted here. This is teh 21st century people not the 10th and all of you hate mongers should be ashamed of yourselves.

afos2

March 24th, 2010
4:59 pm

Ellea, first of all I am a republican and I am religious. No Jesus would not turn down the poor and the sick as a matter of fact he helped several of them and still helps them today. I have no problem with paying a little extra to help people that have sick children, any type of pre-exisiting conditions, or that have been droped from their insurance because of age, lay off’s or any other reasons. However; I’m not ok with people like you that think that you know all about all republicans not having hearts or sticking to their religion. Like i said, I don’t mind helping people that try to get help, it’s the people that choose not do anything but sit at home and have kids to get checks that I and many others are refusing to help. There is no reason for me to give them my hard earned money when they don’t do anything for me.

Terri

March 24th, 2010
5:22 pm

I’m a Republican; that’s a political standpoint. Religion is another!

Josette

March 25th, 2010
12:03 pm

Attn: 500K man- I have two graduate degrees (I worked my way thru school), have been employed all my life and volunteered for many non-profit organizations at the same time. Both of our kids graduated from private schooI–their tuition was a priority for us. Now, I have been out of a job for 2+ years while sending out 2-3 resumes a day. We have gone through our savings, sold our home and are close to being poor. Explain to me how I/we fit your definition?

Teddy K

March 25th, 2010
12:10 pm

Liberalism is a disease. When the anti-christ appears, the Democraps and the Media will be the first to follow and worship him. Just like they do with this embarassment of a President we have now. Obama is a big joke and so are the Democrats that support him. Liberals are bad people.

Sara

March 25th, 2010
1:10 pm

Its interesting to me that people are not understanding that we are paying, out of our tax dollars, coverage of the uninsured already. Hospitals spend HUNDREDS of millions yearly on treating the uninsured. With Obama’s plan, at least we will have a way to be proactive instead of reactive. And, without making this a national plan, it wont work. We need to offset the cost by of treating the sick having a pool of healthy people covered within the plan as well. Oh yeah-I should probably mention that I’m white, highly educated and very upper-middle class, right?

Morrus

March 30th, 2010
8:12 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over