Baker to Perdue: No lawsuit over health care bill

Attorney General Thurbert Baker told Gov. Sonny Perdue on Wednesday he will not file a federal lawsuit to block federal health care reform legislation signed into law this week.

Baker, a Democrat seeking his party’s nomination for governor, told the Republican Perdue that he was “unaware of any constitutional infirmities and do not think it would be prudent, legally or fiscally, to pursue such litigation. I must therefore respectfully decline your request.”

Perdue had asked Baker to join more than a dozen other attorneys general from around the country — all of whom are Republicans — to sue to block the federal legislation, which Perdue said will devastate the state budget due to increased Medicaid costs.

“I do not believe that Georgia has a viable legal claim against the United States,” Baker wrote.

His decision, he said, was based in part on the great expense a law suit would incur at a time of cratering state revenues.

“I cannot justify a decision to initiate expensive and time-consuming litigation that I believe has no legal merit,” Baker wrote. “In short, this litigation is likely to fail and will consume significant amounts of taxpayers’ hard-earned money in the process.”

Legal scholars around the country have largely opined that the lawsuits by the states face steep odds as the courts have largely protected Congress’ ability to act in this manner.

565 comments Add your comment

Corgi Dad

March 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

Thank goodness we have one person (Thurbert Baker) that has some common sense.
Hey Sonny, you lost! Now get over it and move on!

Fergie

March 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

Thank you Mr Baker. These law suits are intended to insult President Obama. Gov Perdue and these other redneck hillbillies could care less about this healthcare bill. They just want to let this Black man know that he cannot spend the white man’s money or tell them what to do.

Hannah

March 24th, 2010
12:43 pm

Thank you, Baker! At least our state still has a little bit of self-respect left!

sicntired

March 24th, 2010
12:44 pm

Can someone please tell me WHY we keep voting Sonny Prudence i mean purdue into office. He will do anything to keep everyone but himself and the conferate flag, down.

bonbon

March 24th, 2010
12:45 pm

Just as long as this thing protects my family and we all don’t end up in the poor house paying taxes forever for it, i don’t really have a problem with it. My only other concern is the fact that our goverment is wanting to fine a person for not obtaining medical insurance. UH, sounds a bit communist to me!! I wish he would have allowed the opt out!! I don’t want to be told i have to buy something, no matter what it is!!

nedpuddleman

March 24th, 2010
12:45 pm

Hope you enjoy your retirement from public service, Mr. Baker.

DaveDawg

March 24th, 2010
12:45 pm

Sonny wants to cut education but pursue an expensive, no-win lawsuit based on politics. This is why he stinks.

rdh

March 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

Actually, there are multiple legitimate grounds to challenge the health care bill. The most obvious of which is that the Federal Government demands that I enter into a contract with another business, and must pay money just to exist. Even if I don’t want healthcare and would prefer just to die, it is illegal for me to not pay for healthcare. At the very least, it violates my civil rights.

Thurbert Baker is wrong, and 40 other state’s attorneys disagree with him.

What IS a joke is the general assembly trying to pass a bill to get Georgia out of this. You see, if the law is Constitutional, then Georgia cannot just opt out. The IRS is still going to come after Georgia citizens regardless of what the Georgia legislature passes. That crap needs to stop.

WGD

March 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Yeah, it’s okay Mr. Baker — You will soon find yourself out of your job. You cannot adequately perform the duties of your current office. A Democrat may very well win the Office of Governor but it won’t be you. Unlike some of my Democrat friends, I am not supportive of the health care reform bill.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

March 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Congratulations, Mr. Baker. Instead of grandstanding and using this in your bid for office you acted intelligently and as though you actually attended law school. You based your decision on legal precedent and the fiscal abyss in which Georgia is mired. Thank you!

OldSnarky

March 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Well 4 posts and all seem to be from ‘uninformed’ democrats who just want the government to hoold their hands through life. Would suggest you might want to move to France so you can really experience the socialist state. Time to wake up democrats while you still have your freedoms!

James

March 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

Mr. Baker’s stock is rising. Good job!

GA Redneck

March 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

You ought to know that a black man will support Obama even though it’s a bad bill. Hey Fergie, I’m a redneck hillbillie who cares about the federal government putting it’s dirty hands in my pocket to take my money! Evidently Mr Baker has drunk the Obama koolaid! Wake up black people, this man is screwing up the US for all of us!

Intown

March 24th, 2010
12:50 pm

Baker just flexed his gonads.

lawgeek25

March 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you Mr. Baker! I’m proud to be a resident of a state with an AG that actually thinks about the effects of filing a meritless lawsuit on its citizens.

hotlanta

March 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

Oh boy we gonna get it now for sure. Governor Purdue is really gonna make sure that MARTA do not get any money for transportation. I guess we all will have to go down to the horse farm and grab one of those horses. This Republican mess reminds me of an old car commercial in Atlanta where the owner would be on television with his white crying towel. What up Sonny it is a new Sheriff in town. The Wind is Gone.

CMS

March 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

Good choice Baker. You still won’t be govenor though…

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

Just so you people know, the insurance companies are already re-working premium quotes for businesses. Due to the pre-existing clause and lifetime benefits clauses, if you work for a company, your rates are going to skyrocket. After all of you cry babies see your new insurance premiums, you might think twice about how great all of this is… And the question is who is going to pay? I beleive it will be the people who are laid off. Simple math. If your premium through your employer was $300, and it’s now $500, who is going to pay the difference? Any answers anyone???

atllaw191

March 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker!

DCB

March 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

Sure wish Baker was a Republican so his reasoning for failing to join other states planning on filing a federal lawsuit to block federal health care reform legislation would be believable on the merits of his reasoning rather than the smelling of politics.

Gary

March 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

THANK GOD Sonnys Dumb Ass is gone this fall! Way OVERDUE!

Legal Eagle

March 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker. Let Sonny Perdue go to the free uninsured medical clinic this weekend at the Georgia Convention Center and tell all those thousands of folks standing in line to see a doctor how much he wants to fight the new health care bill.

Red

March 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

Not a Sunny fan at all, but I hope when the feds get their claws into your health care that you enjoy them telling you what to do. People have become some freaking lazy that they want to depend on the government to take care of them. Welcome to socialism! Public housing, medicaid, medicare, social security and now a compelte take over of health care…. think I will just quit my job and let all you other suckas take care of me. i’m tired of paying for the lazy people

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

It is an unfunded mandate from the federal government. There is a basis for a suit. I am a conservative independent who has voted for Mr. Baker each time he has run due to my respect for his work and character. He is wrong on this and is merely lock stepping with his party to keep favor in an election a Democrat will not win in Georgia.

I care about the bill, as it is monstrosity that will increase the expenses for my business and likely lead to layoffs of people I do not want to lose. etc. If that makes me a racist I guess I am, because I want the best for members of the human race in Georgia.

Fergie – wake up you are a racist. Why? Because you are making assumptions about people based on the color of their skin. You sadden me.

sintired – Prudence in a politician is a compliment. Look up words before you try to be cute and insulting.

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. If Perdue has money for a lawsuit against the US government, he should be using it to fund education in Georgia; instead he’s making cuts.

BC

March 24th, 2010
12:55 pm

Well of course he won’t, why should he let something as insignificant as our Constitution get in the way of his bid for Governor.

I also want to tell the people who do not want to work and EARN there heath care, you are welcome. My personal taxes are going up by about 10% a year, just because I work harder and have been somewhat successful. But silly me, I did it the hard way, guess its time to stop working and let the government take care of me too.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
12:56 pm

All I can say is that I don’t have health insurance, don’t want insurance and refuse to get it once it is mandated. I’ll have standing to sue if I get fined. Claiming to insure 32 million more people by mandating insurance is like claiming to end poverty by mandating jobs.

Typical

March 24th, 2010
12:56 pm

Are you kidding me, did someone expect Baker to sue Obama! He loves the man and voted for him, see Georgia that is what you get when you vote for a liberla like Baker! The health bill is unconstitutional, it is not my job to pay for your poor ass to have health care. Get a job like I did!

steve

March 24th, 2010
12:57 pm

I’m black and I for one don’t want the government to force me to get insurance! I already hate taxes!!!! GTFOH

Not PC

March 24th, 2010
12:57 pm

Mr. Baker, your political days are numbered! So start counting. Please tell us where the U.S. Constitution affords the Fed Gvt this power. Be specific.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
12:58 pm

Thank God for Thurbert Baker! At last, a politician who is willing to lead and take care of our tax dollars.
And by the way, you people wanting to repeal the healthcare law, which of the following provisions would you repeal?
This law immediately prohibits insurance companies from excluding children from coverage for pre-existing conditions. Later it prohibits insurance companies from excluding adults or charging more for pre-existing conditions. It prohibits insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. It eliminates lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits. It begins to close the “donut hole” on prescription drugs for senior citizens. It requires new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost sharing. It limits the out-of-pocket expenses your insurance company can make you pay. It extends coverage for young Americans, allowing them to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to their 26th birthday if they choose. It lets you comparison shop for a quality, affordable health plan through a new health insurance exchange or marketplace.
These provisions help everybody!

Clem

March 24th, 2010
12:59 pm

Well, Greg, you are one of the deadbeats the rest of us are supporting with higher insurance premiums and taxes.

Kevin

March 24th, 2010
12:59 pm

Hey Fergie, why don’t you do us all a favor and look at a map of states that are joining this suit. If you did take the time to, I don’t know, educate yourself a bit before making a half-asped statement, you might find that the states are mostly not hillbilly and likely would disagree with being call redneck.

In fact, your stupid statement just shows what we all know– you goofballs will spew your hate and race-baiting without getting off your lazy rear and reading a little.

Have a nice day, you idiot.

Steven Daedalus

March 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

I’m taking furlough days and Sonny wants to spend a million or two on a political lawsuit, Thanks, Mr. Baker.

UGA Law

March 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

The AG’s office shouldn’t be used as a political tool. If you don’t like the health care bill, fine. But challenging it on legal grounds is not a political argument, but one based in law. Even most conservative legal scholars have questioned the viability of such a claim in federal courts. If the AG thinks we won’t win this suit, as an independently elected official, he can say no to the governor.

Now if the other states win the suit, then the (future) AG will be able to join the suit post-appeal and prior to an order, or file a separate suit in federal courts which would be resolved quickly. Better to wait and see which arguments are successful and which ones fail, rather than risk our necks on litigating and be barred from re-filing due to res judicata.

But since American law says that growing wheat in your backyard is an act of interstate commerce, the health care industry as a whole is probably a national enterprise and failing to buy health insurance is an act (by omission) of interstate commerce, and able to be regulated or punished.

Also, remember: Nullification was THE national issue prior to the Great War of Yankee Aggression. The Confederacy said that states could nullify federal laws. The Yankees said no. The Yankees won. Therefore, states cannot nullify federal laws.

Michael Bischoff

March 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

There are some seriously stupid people in this world… Looks like Baker just went to the top of the list. Like a lot of other uninformed people, Mr. Baker would rather the federal government wipe our butts and change our diapers. Yes, liberals, that is what you want. Baker won’t serve another term after this moronic decision. He just made the non-democrat candidates much stronger. Great job Baker.

BC

March 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

Oh, lets not forget that NONE OF US HAS A “RIGHT” TO HEALTHCARE!!!!

Clem

March 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

And, Steve, you are a deadbeat too.

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
1:01 pm

PS Sonny is often an embarrassment. I will be glad to see him go, though, if Oxendine gets the Republican nod, which will equate to election in our rather red state, you will all be pining for Sonny!

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

Hey Lucy, you are living in a vacuum… Who is going to pay for all of this? Like I said, premiums will skyrocket due to your laundry list. Those of us in the industry LOVE this… You got what you wanted and it’s going to cost you a fortune.

PJS

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

Mr. Baker will not have a job pretty soon. For all of you people who support this healthcare bill, something must not be firing on all cylinders upstairs. Where do you think this money is going to come from to pay for the 32 million uninsured who are already on Medicaid? Thats right, out of your pocket through additional taxes, money taken form the social security trust, etc. This country is going in the wrong direction and will soon be unable to fight it’s way out of the debt it will be in. And I don’t know about you, but I have never been able to spend more and more money and get myself out of debt at the same time. Just an observation of course. To Mr. Baker, join the other states that have combined their lawsuit, which will help to offset a lot of the cost of pursuing a lawsuit on your own. Mr. Baker needs to think before he speaks.

William

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

Hey the liberals are defending the democrat! Of course they are! They know they can bribe him with sweetheart deals…now what did he get for not filing a suit for Ga? We need to investigate this because I do not believe there are honest democrats anywhere. I mean socialist or should it be progressive liberal liars. I am sending all I can to kick democrats out of office.

TMA

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

Thanks Mr. Baker for selling us out just to favor the people who might vote for you in November for governor. Karen Handel pretty much has this one in the bag anyways.

EJ

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

If Baker cannot defend the State of Georgia in this matter, he has effectively disqualified himself from becoming governor.

Here’s a hint, Baker. See the 9th and 10th amendments of the US Constitution.

Better yet Section 2 Paragraph 5 of the Georgia Constitution: Do you know where that is AG Baker?

Paragraph V . What acts void. Legislative acts in violation of this Constitution or the Constitution of the United States are void, and the judiciary shall so declare them .

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
1:02 pm

Thurmond Baker is a racist that only is playing a political game to support Obama, using the statement that the state doesn’t have a case. That is hogwash and he knows it. This bill is a violation of every True American Citizen’s constitutional right. The right to choose without government deciding for us…that’s communism and he knows it.

Thurmond Baker just needs a lesson taught to him to make him understand he works for the citizens of this great state and not for Obama. He will learn that lesson when he is ostrisized while campaigning and at the election box.

REMEMBER GEORGIANS…BAKER FAILED TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND LEGAL! HE’S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND FAILED TO DO HIS JOB!! HE SHOULD BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY FOR BEING RACIST, NEGLECTING TO DO HIS JOB AND GOOD OLE FASHIONED IGNORANCE.

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:03 pm

I have always voted for Mr. Baker. MR. BAKER NO LONGER REPRESENTS MY INTERESTS and THUS, HE LOSES MY VOTE!!!

Audrey in Georgia

March 24th, 2010
1:03 pm

Thank you, Mr. Baker. He does not want to waste your money or his time on this frivolous b.s.
Now go get your car insurance, homeowners insurance, and health insurance like real Americans
living in a civilized society should do.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

Definition of “True American Citizen”…those that DID NOT vote for Obama…..those that want less government, NO COMMUNISM, NO SOCIALISM, NO DICTATORSHIP and agressive, positive actions by the citizens of this great nation to protect our freedoms and rights from those that wrongly legislate, those that don’t pay taxes, those that are illegal in this country and those UNJUSTLY receiving government benefits (social security, welfare, food stamps, unemployment (I said unjustly recieiving), free educations from our colleges, federal/state grants, SBA loans, etc., etc.) when they could otherwise work and earn them.

steve

March 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

Clem you big dummy I said I don’t like taxes I didn’t say I didn’t pay them fool!!!! Furthermore I pay my own insurance premium skippy!!!

JF McNamara

March 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

Greg Said:

“All I can say is that I don’t have health insurance, don’t want insurance and refuse to get it once it is mandated. I’ll have standing to sue if I get fined. Claiming to insure 32 million more people by mandating insurance is like claiming to end poverty by mandating jobs.”

Do you have state mandated auto insurance, or are you protesting that too? I can’t believe you didn’t get mad and vote Sonny out since he wouldn’t repeal that.

It won’t matter if Baker joins or doesn’t join. Only one state needs to sue. If they win, it affects all states. Its just Republicans grandstanding for votes. Just more dumb politics.

Intown

March 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

Health Care Professional: you are the problem, not Healthcare reform. My premiums have been outpacing my wage increases for YEARS.

AN

March 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

Can someone please tell me why anyone would not support a bill where everyone can have health care. We have medicare that is supported by the government and no one is complaining about it. There is always going to be something someone does not like but if it’s good for the majority of the people, get over it and move on. It’s called life. We have spent enough time on this issue. There are more serious problems to deal with in this world and life is to short to dwell on personal attacks.

db

March 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

I now know ONE I WON’T be voting for for Governor! Strike 3 Thurbert!.

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

Supporters of this bill won’t think it is so great when they are sitting in jail or being fined for not having MANDATED insurance. And that is the real problem with this healthcare bill. The FORCING it on people who CAN”T AFFORD it.

BA

March 24th, 2010
1:05 pm

I’m a Repuplican. Baker did his part, whether right or wrong, just as Purdue has done. Bottom line is that at the end of the day, this bill is not and will not benefit the “People”. I’m self employeed and have no health insurance now, but I will be damned if this government is going to force me to purchase a product I do not want or fine me for not having it through their illegal collection agency they call the IRS. When the idiot politicians, both democrat and republican are forced to use and be under the same laws as the rest of us, I will rethink my position. Until then they can kiss by white ass!

Danny G

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

Any type of legislature that requires the people of America to have something they don’t want or can’t afford and also reduces the income of the people doing the services (Doctors, nurses) and limits the type of care I could normally go out and buy, but will at the mercy of the Gov’t to decide how sick I am is socialism. We are losing our rights on a daily basis, yet we just take it with a grain of salt because we are told “that is the way it is”. I don’t think so “scooter”. Come on elections. Time for a change alright!

hotlanta

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

I am ROTLAMO by these comments about the state of the country since the bill has been signed. Oh gee as if everything was fine and we were all holding hands singing songs around the campfire. I wonder where are those WEED Baggers since they thought that they would be victorious in this fight. Oh I forgot just follow the smoke signals.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

IMMEDIATELY…..EVERYONE WRITE A LETTER AND SEND THEM TO BAKER TO PROTEST HIS IGNORANCE AND NELGECT TO DO HIS JOB. SEND EMAILS…..PHONE HIM. IF HE GETS ABOUT 500 PHONE CALLS, LETTERS AND EMAILS, PERHAPS THAT’LL GET HIS ATTENTION.
OR IS HE TOO DUMB TO FIGURE THAT OUT!

Peso

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

This is not about race or political party. If your Mother is white and your Father is black, are you black???? Not to me. The other issue is how do we pay for this health care bill. The rich will get good health care and still be rich. The poor will qualify for Medicaid and/or subsidies. Oh yeah….it is the middle class that gets the bill again and may hit poverty level after paying the bill. If you think that premiums will not go up when the lifetime cap is lifted and pre-existing conditions are not considered, then think again. Insurance companies are not social service agencies.

Dave

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

A question for those who think they should have the right to go without health care insurance: Unless you’re very wealthy, who do you expect to pay for your medical care when the big one strikes you (accident, cancer etc)? Can we just tell you that you opted out so go shut up, home and die? Something tells me you’d want some passion and help from the government then.

Dawilla

March 24th, 2010
1:06 pm

Figures that we would have a commie wanker for an Attorney General. That’s okay though, we’ll block the illegal death care through the legislature and Mr. Baker can prepare for his retirement because he definitely has no chance of becoming governor now.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

Here’s his address, phone and fax:

Office of the Attorney General
40 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, Ga 30334

Phone:

(404) 656-3300

Fax:

(404) 657-8733

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

Automobile insurance allows you enjoy the PRIVILEGE of driving.

Apples and Oranges.

hotlanta

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

I saw this written on Sarah Palin’s hand last night, “WE LOST”.

dean

March 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

What do you expect? He’s, well, some things are obvious. The morons that want Mama Guvmint taking care of them makes me sick. Banks, Auto Companies, Insurance Companies, what’s next? (Shaking my head in complete disgust.) I bet the men who gave their lives on Iwo Jima, Normandy, et al are turning over in their graves. They didn’t fight and die for this kind of America. Obama and his crew are going to get their due before it’s said and done. Hey, you think the terrorist (William Ayers) is off somewhere whanging his wood over this? Ha ha ha. You think Obama’s good pal, the loon Farrakahn, is not loving this? Ha ha. Even Al Sharpton says his bro is a socialist. May all the sheep prove Darwin’s point.

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

Why Sonny do I have to purchase automobile insurance in this state? If I drop it, you will suspend my drivers license and make me pay a fine. Is the coverage on my vehicle or someone elses vehicle, more important than my physical body?

The odds are against me, in a car accident, that I would not require medical attention. But, in Georgia I am required to protect anothers vehicle. Just think, I could put my car insurance toward my medical insurance. It’s a lot cheaper for me to fix “person x” car than it would be for me to pay my medical expenses. But, I don’t have a choice because in this great state, I must have liability to make sure that I am able to pay for the repairs of anothers car. But, I can risk my own life and not be required to have medical insurance.

I know the “Just Don’t Drive” crowd will be gearing up; but Sonny and many of his republican coherts don’t care for mass transit; because it would require government funding as well. Where I live, if you don’t drive, you don’t eat.

Fergie's a racist

March 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

Fergie, you are a racist. But also an idiot. Do you not think the black man is going to be spending black folks money too? Race doesn’t matter. This is a welfare bill to make more people like you more dependent on the government which in turn gives them more control. Once you’re hooked, they know they can keep power by saying the other party is going take away all we are giving you.

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

Good points, Peso!!

BC

March 24th, 2010
1:08 pm

AN – If you think no one is complaining about Medicare, you are not listening.

Rush Cheney

March 24th, 2010
1:09 pm

Mr. Redneck,

George Bush and his republican ilk grew government more than any administration before it ……….. FACT!

George Bush and his republican ilk manufactured the Patriot Act, which allowed THE GOVERNMENT to execute unwarranted phone-taps, email searches, phone calls, medical, financial and library records …………. FACT!

… sounds like communism to me. But since it was implemented by a republican President and Congress, all is forgiven.

The only Kool-Aid being drunk is that of the minions that worship at the feet of Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, Palin, the Tea Party, Birthers, etc.

Moderate republicans like Arlen Specter and Lincoln Chafee had better take their party back from the lunatic fringe that runs it now before it’s too late.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
1:09 pm

Hey, Health Insurance Professional, I don’t believe for one second you are what you say. Insurance premiums will actually go down because deadbeats like Greg and Steve and maybe even you will have to buy insurance. We will no longer be subsidizing your healthcare with higher premiums and taxes.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:09 pm

Hey Intown,

Don’t worry about me. Your savior Obama just cost you a fortune. It’s pretty funny that you had no idea how bad this would be. The hype must have blinded you. We are getting ready to send a notice to clients telling them that their rates are ready to rise dramatically.

Thank you Democrats!! You Rock!!!

Bill Campbell

March 24th, 2010
1:10 pm

Baker will not hold another public office in Georgia unless it’s a City of Atlanta position! Maybe he can work his way into the Big House of Master Obama!

ConstitutionGirl

March 24th, 2010
1:10 pm

Mr. Baker – I suggest you actually read the Constitution of the United States. The Bill of Rights gives us many things, a “right” to health insurance is not one of them. Perhaps we need to institute a pre-test for everyone seeking public office, and a knowledge of the state and federal constitution would be the A#1 requirement.

wake up

March 24th, 2010
1:10 pm

BC, likewise you do not have a constitutional *right* to be uninsured. The only way this could be successfully challenged (as tax policy) is if it infringed on fundamental rights. There is no constitutional fundamental right to be uninsured. These lawsuits are frivolous political grandstanding, and I for one am thankful that there is at least one person under the gold dome thinking and not wasting my tax dollars.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

Lucy, check your renewal premium when it comes in and then get back to me. HA!!

Dave

March 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

It’s quite obvious that most here (and elsewhere) who are belly-aching about the bill don’t even begin to understand it. My advice would be to shut up until you do it cause it’s making you look very stupid. But then again most of them have Fox News as their only source of information. They drank the kool-aid and know nothing but the GOP talking points. Sad!

Sick&Tired

March 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
1:07 pm

Thanks DD,

I’ll just call Mr. Baker and Thank him personally. I really appreciate the phone number.

TIREDOFTHEBLACKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
1:11 pm

I wish people would stop the Black White comments especially the Redneck. I work in Healthcare and see everyday how the uninsured cost taxpayers more money than this bill. If you people “yes I said it” would take the time and learn your states you would see that the only thing this bill does is Mandate what most of the states are already paying for. OK yes it will add to the amount of people on it but your tax payer dollars already pay Hospitals for indigent and charity care ANYWAY!!!!! Learn something and stop letting a Politician direct your opinions. Continuing without reform has far greater issues than not having it, why you ask because when Hospitals submit their cost reports to the state they get monies to subsidize thier losses due to uninsured and underinsured patients. Reading is Fundamental people try it sometimes. The bible says do not follow false prophets and so many people are doing that especially now since a Black Man made history with this Bill….. If Clinton would have successfully passed it would we have the same issues? Ponder on that thought!

EJ

March 24th, 2010
1:12 pm

An,

No matter how much you think you are entitled to my income for your purposes you are not.

Because two people can get together and demand a third help pay for their health care because it would be better for the majority is just thievery.

We cannot get over it because there is this thing called the US Constitution, which we are all able to still read, and we know what it says and it states it clearly.

We people of principle are not just going to quit and roll over.

Lucy

March 24th, 2010
1:13 pm

Will do, deadbeat.

Maccadave

March 24th, 2010
1:13 pm

I think it is ridiculous that Thurbert won’t support the Republican push to fight this new healthcare bill which in essence is an ABORTION of the U.S. Constitution. Even Buddy Caldwell, the Democrat AG from Louisiana is supporting the multi-state lawsuit. Yo, Thurbert, do what it right. Georgia is a predominately republican state. Represent the state that pays your salary. There is a reason for the resistance of this law, and it is the beginning of the unravelling of the Constitution you are sworn as an officer of the courts to uphold. If you are going to “keep it real” with Barak, then maybe impeachment should be on your horizon.

Jeffrey

March 24th, 2010
1:13 pm

OldSnarky–If you want to live in a society with less government control, then maybe you should try moving to a country where that is the practice. Say, Haiti, Darfur, or Yemen to name just a few. That way you will get to experience a society where the government plays very little role in daily life. I would think most would agree government plays a VERY important role in our lives here in the U.S.. The fear-mongering over what this bill will do is unfounded and is just scare tactics for the right-wing fringe of this country that hate anything Obama does and says. What amazes me is it seems the most vocal opponents of this bill throughout the country are folks that this bill will help the most should they be faced with a health crisis–the rural working class that are far less likely to be able to sustain the health insurance premiums we see today and will tomorrow if nothing is done to control it. I understand the desire to have as little government intervention as feasibly possible in our daily lives. Trust me, as a gay man, the government has done just about everything within its power to keep me from the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness (e.g., the Defense of Marriage Act, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, state constitutional amendments preventing recognition of marriage, etc., the list goes on and on). Another interesting observation is that most of the opponents of this bill using the “keep government out of my life” mantra are likely the very ones that voted to have the governement keep gay citizens from enjoying equal rights under the law. That in my book is just plain hyprocritical and a selfish application of their beliefs.

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:14 pm

Thanks Dan Deacon, I’m sure it was more useful to the people who want freedom anyway. ;)
Sick&Tired, I hope you are happy when you are standing in a bread line waiting for your daily ration of food in about 20 years…circa 1980’s Soviet Union.

Dave

March 24th, 2010
1:14 pm

ConstitutionalGirl, do you think a law can’t be passed unless it’s specifically mentioned in the constitution? Maybe it’s you that needs to pass a test and I think you already failed it. Go watch Fox News some more.

chuck

March 24th, 2010
1:15 pm

Impeach the AG for not protecting the people of Georgia from an unconstitutional act by the federal government.

Stiffback

March 24th, 2010
1:16 pm

It’s funny how folks want to atlk about the federal Gov’t making them pay for health care insurance. Why don’t you sue since we have to pay for auto insurance as well. Its no difference, unless you decide not to own a car. But who’s gonna do that just so they can show the gov’t. Gov’t is not trying to control health care, they’re trying to control the people who runs health care.

The Real Politico

March 24th, 2010
1:16 pm

Glad to see the man has ethics.

STFU

March 24th, 2010
1:16 pm

Lucy are you stupid I said I pay my own premium NOW !! so how am I a deadbeat? Lucy you are Jackazzz!!

Cutty

March 24th, 2010
1:16 pm

Some of you are really ’special’. Why would Baker need to file the same lawsuit as 12 other states? Let them go ahead and file their briefs. If they’re successful, then Georgia can do the same, and would have a precedent to back up its claim. If you haven’t noticed, this state is broke.

But you Johnny Come Lately Teabaggers wouldn’t know common sense if it was on a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flag. You’ve finally read the same Constitution that the last administration ripped to shreds.

stevo

March 24th, 2010
1:17 pm

We ALL lose with this health care reform.

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
1:18 pm

Premiums will go up.

The fine is less than the premiums. It comes out of taxes. All it will do is reduce refunds.

Since you cannot be turned down for a prexisting condition, there is no reason to buy insurance ’till you are sick and no reason to keep paying once treatment has ended.

This means insurance companies will have to pay out large claims for people who only pay premiums when they need care.

That is not how insurance works. Income must exceed payouts.

That will become impossible when people figure out how to job they system.

This is all a machination to end up with a single payer system.

Dave

March 24th, 2010
1:19 pm

We would ALL lose much more if we don’t do it!

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:19 pm

Lucy, sorry not a deadbeat. Been working for a living since I was 12 delivering papers. Never been unemployed, and worked to put myself through college, pay my own health insurance since I was 18 and buy my first house.

I don’t need Obama to pay my way. Never cried boo hoo.

I guess it takes one to know one…

The crybabies on this blog are insane.

Anyway, thank you Democrats for helping to pay for my kids to go to Westminster. We appreciate it.

chuck

March 24th, 2010
1:20 pm

Stiffback the federalgovernment does not require you to buy car insurance. That is done by the stae under states rights (10th Amend).

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
1:21 pm

Stiffback – see my earlier post – driving is a privilege.

EJ

March 24th, 2010
1:21 pm

Stiffback,

Just for a moment we’ll let you compare auto and health insurance. Individuals pay based on their potential risk for auto, not health insurance. For Obamacare, they will calculate what you can afford to pay. They will also have additional taxes on medical devices and tanning booths and more. You are not paying for auto insurance when you do anything OTHER than buy auto insurance.

The auto insurance industry collects more in premiums than claims each year, on average. Obamacare will spend more on claims than it takes in each year, on average.

The Real Politico

March 24th, 2010
1:21 pm

GA Redneck I am always bemused by people like you who say keep the government out of your business. This while knowing you already have health insurance, so you don’t care about other Americans that don’t. This while you take that government deduction on your federal taxes for the interest on your home loan each year. Or Medicare coverage.
What a hypocrite!

Gene

March 24th, 2010
1:21 pm

So sad. Baker’s decision is obviously racially and politically motivated. Is there not one black politician who can put race and party aside and act in the best interest of the country? Wake up people, NOTHING IS FREE!!! The government does not have money, it uses yours. If it goes broke, it takes more of YOURS. And when the states go broke trying to comply with Obama’s agenda, it will take more or YOUR money too.

Cutty

March 24th, 2010
1:22 pm

Wouldn’t the prudent and fiscally responsible thing to do is allow those other states lawsuits to proceed? Not like theres any money floating around the capital. If those lawsuits succeed, Georgia could file its own, and would have a precedent in its favor. Jus sayin.

q

March 24th, 2010
1:22 pm

Great move for the State of Georgia! It’s shameful and socially irresponsible to oppose health care for all Americans. Shame on Gov. Perdue and the Republican party. If the Republican party truly had legitimate problems with Health Care Reform then they should have “come to the table” to draft the best bill possible. Instead, all they did was try to mislead Americans with lies (i.e. death panels etc).

NativeAtlantan

March 24th, 2010
1:22 pm

“Perdue had asked Baker to join more than a dozen other attorneys general from around the country — all of whom are Republicans — to sue to block the federal legislation”

Actually, the AG of Louisiana is a Democrat, and others may be as well I’m not certain…but nice try there, Aaron.

Health care reform is needed and necessary, but what was passed will send states’ budgets into even more disastrous tailspins…no one can deny that.

TIREDOFTHEBLACKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
1:23 pm

@ Health Insurance Stop lying I too am in the insurance field. This is why people have problems People like you!

Babs

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

Why are Republicans still fighting this bill? This doesn’t make good sense to me.After all these years, the country finally has a much needed HCR bill. Let it go and move on.

about time

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

When you don’t have health insurance, who do you suppose pay’s your hospital bills? Thank you Thurbert Baker for not playing politics. There is nothing unconstitutional about the fed requiring people to carry health insurance. I think these hillbilly Republicans have lost their mind.

Adam

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

Lucy, what it doesn’t do is place restrictions on the amount of money the insurance company can charge. THAT is why many people who are self employed or work for small companies that don’t have benefits in place don’t have benefits. The COST. This is not only going to take more taxpayer money, but it will cost the average worker MORE money to be covered, whether by his company policy or personal policy. The health insurance exchange will only work if the rates are affordable, and trust me, by then, they won’t be.

How come all the people who don’t pay into the system get all the benefits, yet the people who pay the most get nothing? If that’s the way it’s going to be, how come everyone can’t be covered by the govt. no matter what they make?

The other issue is what are they going to force me to buy next for my own good? Even though I am and healty adult and pay for my medical expenses out of pocket, I have to buy health insurance? I need a newer safer car, so I have to buy one for my safety?

And Lucy, if you worked for a private insurance company, how would make up for having to insure people who are going to eat every bit of profit out of your company because of constant health problems and now can only be forced to pay out so much out of pocket? How? Just hope that it works out? No, you raise premiums on everybody. Everybody. That includes me, my wife, and my three daughters, who by the way, haven’t been in a hospital one day in our lives except the day they were born or giving birth. Oh, and I paid for all that also.

hotlanta

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

Thanks Jeffrey a plane is waiting and ain’t nobody stopping them to get on it. Especially the government. People complain about the government but as soon as they get in trouble they want the government to help get them out of trouble. Obama said he was gonna do it and he did. What did you guys have wax in your ears. Had he not did it folks would have been saying he hasn’t done a thing.

NativeAtlantan

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

q – Republicans should have come to the table?

Difficult when the Democrats kept the table behind locked doors.

Obama will lose in 2012.
But this bill will be repealed before even that.
Guarantee it.

Simon Jester

March 24th, 2010
1:24 pm

AG Baker knuckles under to party pressure since he is running for Governor (good luck after this!) and leave the good Citizens of Georgia hanging.

And yes, unless the power is specified in the Constitution it is not a valid law. The Constitution is intended as a limit on the Fed Gov. Period. Not a limit on the People. It specifically says :
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

It is not an open ended power free for all for the Fed Gov. Their powers are specifically and intentionally limited.

wake up

March 24th, 2010
1:25 pm

Again, people, the Constitution does not grant you the *right* to be uninsured. The PR campaign that this law is “unconstitutional” is just the latest tool to whip you into a froth (right up there with Obama being a foreigner, death panels, “government takeover”).

The Real Politico

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

It is not an unfunded mandate unlike the the one passed by the Bush administration for Adam Walsh. That was a photo op. Stop the talking points and look at the facts.
Sorry Republicans never let the facts get in the way of a good spin.

d

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

Constitution Girl– ninth amendment simplified for you: Just because we didn’t list a specific right here doesn’t mean you don’t have that right.

Educated Person

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

Sonny file it yourself & fire Baker’s arse! Save this state!

atlpaddy

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

Hmmmm, Republicans using frivolous lawsuits to try and enforce judicial activism to overturn the legislation of democratically elected members of Congress. Now where have I heard complaints about that before?

BC

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

Hey Wake up, WAKE UP!! I do have that right, and do not tell me about auto insurance. I do not have to buy auto insurnace if I choose not to own a car. Driving is a PRIVILEGE not a right. If you do not know the difference, look it up, or is that asking too much of you also??

True

March 24th, 2010
1:26 pm

I don’t opposed healthcare for all Americans, but I would ask yourself this, if this is SUCH a great thing, why did the people in Washington make themseleves exempt from their own bill?

Tony

March 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

GA Redneck

March 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

“You ought to know that a black man will support Obama even though it’s a bad bill. Hey Fergie, I’m a redneck hillbillie who cares about the federal government putting it’s dirty hands in my pocket to take my money! Evidently Mr Baker has drunk the Obama koolaid! Wake up black people, this man is screwing up the US for all of us! ”

Hey GA Redneck did you say the same thing about Bush Screwing up the country?

GA Redneck

March 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

Baker is walking the party line. Mr Sonny should fire him and put someone in the job that can read and interpet the constitution! Baker will NEVER get elected governor. Even the ole Rev Sharpton said that obama is nothing but a socialist marxist!

True

March 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

Someone please buy me a grammar checker? :)

TIREDOFTHEBLKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
1:27 pm

All I can say is Read People Read. Do your HW insurance companies are the main culprits of the unemployment numbers being so high. The majority of them sent their jobs over seas and are hiding behind rules and regulations that George W. put into action so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes. They are upset with the Prez because if you outsource work that can be done in the U.S. they are going to have to pay hefty fines. Do your research and see the major players in the insurance game have most of their work done in India! That’s why if it happens premiums will rise.

Cutty

March 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

The Constitution doesn’t say that every rich person should get a tax cut either, but I didn’t hear any complaints in 2001 and 2003.

Val

March 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

I am so tired of hearing people (rednecks) as you refer to yourself talking about how President Obama is screwing up the US for all of us. This is what I have to say, NO WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE THE US WAS SCREWED UP WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA GOT IT, REMEMBER, OR ARE HALF IF NOT ALL OF YOU STILL DRINKING BUSHES KOOLAIDE, BUSH SCREWED UP THE US AND YOU THINK PRESIDENT OBAMA IS SUPPOSE TO FIX IT, AND HE WILL JUST LIKE CLINTON HAD TO OR HAVE YOU FORGOTEN THAT TOO. ENJOY YOUR DAM HEALTH CARE BECAUSE FROM THE LOOKS OF ALL THOSE TEA PARTIERS THEY NEED SOME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:28 pm

Hey Tired,

Just telling you all what is happening I’m reading this blog. You know the rates are going up just as much as I do. The policies are being re-written at this moment, underwriters are changing their actuarial tables and prices are going up.

Anyway, it doesn’t really matter. Just wait till renewals start going out. Then everyone will see.

wake up

March 24th, 2010
1:29 pm

Sorry, BC you’re just wrong. I know you WANT it to be that way, but that doesn’t make it so.

Alright

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

I am so amused at people who act as if they do not already pay for every other government funded programs. What is new now? The only thing new is that the president is of a darker hue than all of the formers. I am still happy to know that society has not changed.

JMS

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

Byr Bye Baker your @$$ is grass in the next election. Read the constitution! We are not the United Socialist states yet! I am sick of the spongers inlife who sit back and think they are entitled to everyhting they want. This country was not built on entitlements but entitlements will be its downfall! When more and more people are carried by less and less hte weight will crush and kill the productive calsl and then those that have been feeding off therie hard work will have no one to sponge off any more, take a long hard look at Haiti that is what we are heading for!

Mr. Big

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

Baker is now TOAST; this effectively terminates his aspirations for Govenor.

The Real Politico

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

Gene Looking at the comments. The ones who introduced race into this discussion were we whites.
That says a lot about us don’t you think?

Educated Person

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

ditto Adam!!!

Sad days

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

So we’re giving away all this health insurance and premiums are going to go down. I thought I was going to get a 2,500 off my premium when this bill gets signed……I’m patiently waiting. The problem is that you have 1 person that makes 180K and he or she only gets one vote in the federal elections. Meanwhile, we’ve got some moron living in government housing that gets and equal vote. We have migrated from a demecracy to partial socialism over the last 80 years. We will eventually fall from this bill. The problem is that we have so many uneducated people in the US when it comes to general business sense.

ABE ABERNATHY

March 24th, 2010
1:30 pm

Spoken like a true Democrat!

Indep Thinker

March 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

Did you guys miss what AG Baker said? “In short, this litigation is likely to fail and will consume significant amounts of taxpayers’ hard-earned money in the process.”

The litigation is not free, and will cost the state of GA several millions of dollars that would be siphoned away from education and other necessary services. All this against the backdrop of a generally accepted legal opinion that the lawsuits will not succeed based on a wide precedent set by the courts with respect to the Federal Government’s regulation of commerce and supremacy. (See http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/23/are-legal-challenges-to-health-reform-credible).

The easy thing to do politically is to join the lawsuits, but in the face of a state fiscal crisis, why not let the other states do the dirty work for you? If the law is unconstitutional, it is unconstitutional for the entire country and not just those states that signed the lawsuit.

Jessica

March 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

Mr. Baker, you made the right decision. You just earned my vote for Governor because you showed you understand the law and have fiscal responsibility unlike that hillbilly Sonny Perdue. For those who are giving out your phone number, let me suggest how you can handle that. Let it go to voice mail and then erase all the messages without listening to them. That way, you don’t have to subject yourself to the no doubt racist and stupid comments that will undoubtedly be left for you.

Now, Sonny, if you can find the money for a lawsuit, then you better damn well be prepare to tell Georgians why the hell you are furloughing teachers and State workers. In other words, do what we paid your butt to do and FIX GEORGIA!!

Lynn

March 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

Here we go again!! @ Health Insurance Professional the government subsidies for families up to 88,000 will pay for it. In addition the Insurance companies are already falling in line to jump behind this bill. For the first time it will be about people and not about the Dollar!!! Also, the constitution also talks about Commerce and Trade where US citizens are concerned, even if there were grounds to do this fromt he other 13 states not 40 it wont go anywhere and will run up an even higher tax bill within the state. I want to applaud everyone who takes the time to read the provisions and argue from that standpoint not from an ignorant rant. Socialism started a long time ago- Medicade, Welfare, Reagonomics, Education etc. I also want to applaud the people who are in support of making sure the 1,000’s children who die every year due to not having Heatlh Insurance and the Cancer and HIV/AIDS patients who cant afford medication do to the ridiculous prices set by the industry. Thank goodness some of them will be helped. All the ranting going on about the trouble with the bill- What exactly is your plan? DO you have one?

soulfinger

March 24th, 2010
1:31 pm

I am never shocked at the level of ignorance displayed on these blogs. I am however very sad and frightened for the future.

atlpaddy

March 24th, 2010
1:32 pm

It’s funny. The morons who think Perdue can fire Attorney General Baker are the same ones lecturing us about the U.S. Constitution. Just because Glen Beck cried about it doesn’t make it true.

TIREDOFTHEBLKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Health Insurance if you want to continue that’s fine. As I said when the top ten have to either pay taxes on the overseas workers or bring the jobs back to the states then yes we will see an increase to pay the salaries. They will blame it on the President even though we all knowin this field that it will be due to you guys having to pay out more money. BTW what firm do you work for I’m dying to know???

Ash2k

March 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

Federal laws trump state laws. Fighting one would be futile. Unless the Federal law is not something the Constitution says it can do. That is how the Constitution works, it defines specifically what the people allow the Federal government to do. Otherwise the default position would be the Federal government could make a law requiring anything it wanted which is precisely what the framers were avoiding. This seems to be the reverse of what Mr. Baker thinks.

I hate to be “that guy”, but could Mr. Baker cite the section of the Constitution that allows the Federal government to require purchasing a good or service?

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:33 pm

His skin color is not issue or he would have never been elected, and btw he is 50% Caucasian, but the issue is that he leans towards socialsim and refused to put his hand over his heart to pledge the flag showed his true colors (that seemed very anti-American to me).

Grunt

March 24th, 2010
1:34 pm

Didn’t the last President SUSPEND the constitution, so that American citizens could have all their communications recorded? Oh, and torture too.

Adam

March 24th, 2010
1:34 pm

This legislation did nothing to stem the rising cost of healthcare, which is Medicaid abuse, zealous overcharging by hospitals, and tort reform. If you bring those things into control, you lower the cost of healthcare and possible lower the medicaid money being forked out for folks who have kids at our expense just to get another welfare check.

You have to start at the source, the head of the problem. We just spent $1T to slap the butt of problem.

JF McNamara

March 24th, 2010
1:34 pm

Atlanta Native wrote:

“Automobile insurance allows you enjoy the PRIVILEGE of driving. Apples and Oranges.”

No, its not. Its the same. Health insurance is a privelage that allows you to get discounted health services. Just like auto insurance, the government is mandating that you buy it and you do. The problem is that you can’t help getting sick but you can get by without a car, so the rest of society is forced to make up for your medical bills.

In any event, mandated health care insurance allows me to enjoy the privelage of NOT paying higher prices because you can’t pay your medical bills as an uninsured person. It helps me not have to pay for people using the emergency room as a primary care facility. It helps me by forcing you to pay your own freight.

If you’re a millionaire and don’t want it, fine. In this case you probably don’t care if its mandated or not. If you an average Joe, you’re the problem, because a Doctor won’t just let you die because of costs. They will treat you and pass the cost on to me. Its exactly why the states mandated auto insurance.

Fergie

March 24th, 2010
1:35 pm

I don’t care what state it is, redneck hillbilly is a mentality that thinks that white is right. Dumb white people have got this country in the mess its in today. By the way, I am not Black, gainfully employed, make a 6 figure salary, and I still like Obama’s way of doing things.

Steve

March 24th, 2010
1:36 pm

Thank God AG Baker has the guts to stand up and support President Obama in one more of his historical accomplishements since taking office. Lets not forget the country was in shambles after 8 years of Bush, and President Obama has done his best to rescue the US . Get over it Georgia finally the sick and uninsurable have a chance to regain their health, a right that not should be limited drug and insurance companies.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
1:37 pm

Tired,

Work for a large broker. We’ve known for weeks that the rates would go up if this thing passed. Sad thing is, so did the democratic reps that voted for this thing.

Everyone was sold down the river including you and me.

But that’s cool, I’ll just make more money to offset the rise in my premium.

BUT if this was a Republican AG

March 24th, 2010
1:38 pm

He would have joined without hesitation. All 13 AGs are Republicans LOL, GO FIGURE.

EJ

March 24th, 2010
1:38 pm

Cutty,

There’s the fatal flaw in the liberal logic. What is a tax cut? Is it a gift? When someone gets a tax cut are they getting someone else’s money? No They are getting their own money. Not YOUR money. THEIR OWN money.

Now go ahead and justify why you are entitled to it for your purposes.

Whitie!

March 24th, 2010
1:39 pm

You’re a moron Fergie!

Adam

March 24th, 2010
1:39 pm

Grunt, he sure did, and I didn’t like that either. But GW never forced me to take money from my take home to provide a service to myself. Never.

Foxglove

March 24th, 2010
1:39 pm

States’ rights!!! States’ rights!!! We have the right to stay dumber ‘n a bag of hammers if’n we wanna! An’ sick as dawgs. Sonny sez so.

JL

March 24th, 2010
1:41 pm

Native Atlantan is right, at the request of the republican Governor of LA, the democratic AG filed suit.

If the law is unconstitutional, it will be over-turned and GA does not need to participate to have that happen. Our taxpayer money does not need to be spent on this. Was Sonny planning on cutting more teacher’s in order to pay for it.

MelKel

March 24th, 2010
1:42 pm

The mandate to buy private health insurance was originally a Republican idea to bring down costs because everyone having insurance spreads the risks. It was originally THEIR idea back in the ’90’s to keep the Clintons away from the public option. The Democrats picked up the mandate idea in the current law, but they included the provision that the government will help people pay for it who cannot. Now the Republicans want to sue over the very idea that the Heritage Foundation ( a conservation “think tank”) proposed in the first place.

Georgian

March 24th, 2010
1:43 pm

The State of Georgia will continue to at the near the bottom when it comes to education, jobs,and their economy because of ignorance. The State of Massachussetts’ conservative Republican Governor signed into law in 2006 the Health Care Reform Bill and he describes it as his greates accomplishment as the Governor of Massachussetts. Its not deemed unconstitutional.

See the excerpt below on the Massachussetts Health Care Reform Law. If you want further infomation go to http://www.Massachusetts.gov., but I know most of you will not, because you don’t want to know the truth only the lies that the Republican Party continues to spread. Ignorance will always keep you down.

Health Care Reform
All Massachusetts residents are required to maintain health insurance. Health care reform works to improve the cost and quality of health care.

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Commonwealth Connector
The Commonwealth Connector can help you learn more about the health care reform law. The Connector administers two programs: Commonwealth Care and Commonwealth Choice. Commonwealth Care connects uninsured individuals with incomes that fall within certain guidelines, and who meet other qualifications with approved health plans, and helps them pay for them. Commonwealth Choice offers private health insurance options for individuals, families and employers.

Mandated Health Insurance law
Key provisions of the law include subsidized health insurance for residents earning less than 300% of the Federal Poverty Level, and low-cost insurance for all other residents who are not eligible for insurance through their employers.

Health Care Quality and Cost Information
Here you will find information about the quality and cost of health care provided in Massachusetts. This site can be used as a tool to help you select a provider based on what is important to you.

Health Care Reform Tax Information
Those who cannot show that they have health insurance in 2008 will have to pay a penalty on their Massachusetts income tax return. Non-compliance penalties will increase for 2009.

Health Insurance Responsibility Disclosure (HIRD) Information
Massachusetts employers of 11 or more FTE employees must also disseminate and collect an Employee HIRD form from each employee that declines to enroll in employer-sponsored insurance or declines to use the employer’s Section 125 Cafeteria Plan to pay for health insurance. The employer must retain the signed Employee HIRD for a period of three years.

Other Tips and Resources
Additional information about where to get coverage, special information for young adults and senior citizens, and criteria for financial assistance.

Resources for Health Care and Insurance
There are many resources to help you access health care services or get health insurance in Massachusetts. Most of these programs use income and/or age standards to determine yours or your family’s eligibility. This web page provides quick, easy-to-use information to help you access health care and find out more about health care benefits.

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waiting for news

March 24th, 2010
1:45 pm

You want to sue the federal government about this, but you’ve got your hand out for the race to the top money. Nice. What do you see when you look in the mirror?

fedup

March 24th, 2010
1:45 pm

Of course Baker is going to side with his Demo buds. Now is the time to put him on the streets to.

IC Atlanta

March 24th, 2010
1:46 pm

DEMOCRAT – Thurbert Baker and probably Obama voter too refuses to sue another Democrat.

Maybe we can finally retire incompetence in GA – Baker, Sonny, etc.

Sad that so many Americans or folks posting on the blog don’t know anything about the Constitution. Due to an ignorant and apathetic electorate we are doomed.

bill

March 24th, 2010
1:46 pm

Cutty…not to burst your bubble or anything, but those tax cuts you’re speaking of went for all people. Yes, the wealthy might have recieved the highest dollar amount in cuts, but that’s also because they pay the most taxes…kinda makes sense don’t ya think? Anyways…the less money you made, the higher percentage cut you recieved…but I don’t see you making that point, naturally.

Tré

March 24th, 2010
1:46 pm

ARTICLE ONE SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION. THE FEDERAL SUPREMACY CLAUSE STATES THAT THE FEDERAL LAW IS THE LAW OF THE LAND. IF THAT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, ARTICLE ONE SECTION 10, THE COMMERCE CLAUSE REQUIRES THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN AND WILL HANDLE ALL INTERSTATE COMMERCE – AND GUESS WHAT. HEALTH INSURANCE AND OTHER FORMS OF INSURANCE COUNT AS INTERSTATE COMMERCE! Of course, that won’t stop persistent Attorneys General who just want to “repeal” the HC bill or “sue” the fed.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
1:47 pm

You have a right to health care – that in no way means you have a right to have others buy it for you. Do you believe that any right means that the Fed Gov should provide it for free? There is no “free” – someboy pays for it. As the FedGov does not produce any wealth, it must be taken from individuals that do and given to someone else. You do not have a “right” to take anything from someone else. Even through the use of the Gov’s Police Power. That is still theft.

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:48 pm

Massachusetts is a highly traditional Democrat state. It is probably what those consituents wanted. Hower our AG is playing party/race politics and not listening to voters and the governor. I called his office. The lady who answered seemed to care less. Yesterday, they stopped taking calls. Seems like he could care less about what Georgians think.
I don’t even think this is a party issue.
If you want to be like a lemming, and blindly follow others off a cliff..go ahead.

thebob.bob

March 24th, 2010
1:48 pm

Here come the frivolous law suits that Republicans have screamed about in the past. Now they want ‘activist’ judges to intervene and legislate from the bench. Good for the AG, he’s saving GA big bucks by staying out of the political Grandstanding.

Why do Republicans hate Democracy??????

Adam

March 24th, 2010
1:48 pm

JF McNamara, I understand your point, but at what cost? We as taxpayers are going to assist or take on 32 million more people to pay for to some extent? Car insurance will replace my car, which is an asset I value and paid for. I’ve never purchased my health, and work on my health myself, but it is not replacable by purchase. It also protects the other drivers assets.

I am paying for other peoples care and yet can’t afford a top notch policy for my own family through our business of less than 50 employees now. But this will make it better and more affordable?

For who? The ones who already get the free ride. It does not help me one bit and will not help my children down the road one bit. If somebody can tell me how this helps ME and my family either financially or coverage wise, please tell me.

Mrs. G

March 24th, 2010
1:49 pm

Dats dem dere good ole’ boys, still try to keep things the good OLD BOY way..sooner or later they will all be dead and their kids are too dumb to hold a public office, or smart enough to know that change is not always bad.

Rick H.

March 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

I’m sure this keen legal mind has completely analyzed the bill to come to this conclusion.

Well, I guess we know how to fix this.

myrights?

March 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

Reasons:

1. The right of the individual to NOT be required to purchase anything anytime. FREEDOM.

2. The right of the Georgia citizens to bear the cost locally for any federally manadated program.

Wake up people.

JR

March 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

Baker’s a Democrat. Of course he’s not going to do what the people want. Democrats are elitist snobs who think we’re all embicels who will either forget or acquisce to their superior intelligence before the next election.

ConLawXpert

March 24th, 2010
1:50 pm

People, do you forget that according to the Constitution itself, it’s purpose is “to promote the general welfare”?!?! If ensuring that all Americans have access to adequate healthcare is not “promoting the general welfare” then please tell me what is!

Lucy, can you be that ignorant

March 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

Just because all are FORCED(or pay a fine) to buy policies does not make the price go down.
Now ever dope head, drunk, twinkie eating fatso, non helmet wearing motorcycle rider, gang banger/drive by shooter etc etc gets an even bigger free ride as we will have to pay HIGHER premiums to take care of those
that don’t care of their own health. Now these people get full use f the medical system and you have no idea
how much that is going to cost us all.
You are a classic demorat SUCKER!

KD

March 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

Btw, I am a moderate. Wrong is wrong..and FORCING healthcare is wrong. Sorry, it just it. Car insurance cannot be compared.

JR

March 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

Baker’s a Democrat. Of course he’s not going to do what the people want. Democrats are elitist snobs who think we’re all imbeciles who will either forget or acquiesce to their superior intelligence before the next election.

IC Atlanta

March 24th, 2010
1:51 pm

Steve are you really as stupid as your post? When Obama became President yes the economy was going down, but it has been a downward spiral since he started initiating his polices. Plus Obamacare is about control and wealth redistribution, but arguing with lefties is arguing with idiots and you know where that gets you:

http://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?src=me&ref=homepage

And for you Obama lovers – I hope you are enjoying the Obama recession

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8xSP8Wb3iW8

Pat

March 24th, 2010
1:53 pm

Thank you Mr Baker. It’s nice to know there is one adult in the GA State Government.

c note

March 24th, 2010
1:54 pm

Look you are required to have insurance for your car so why not for you?

Dr. Shane

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

Democrats – keeping blacks and the poor on Uncle Sam’s plantation – how compassionate

TDawg

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

Hey, Thurbert, great political move this is while running for Governor in a state that overwhelmingly opposes this law. Not to mention, even my 8 year old knows more about the constitution than you obviously do.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

No, Article One Section 8 states that the Fed Gov is granted the power “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;”. If you bother to do the reading required, James Madison stated that regulate in this context means to “keep regular”, not to control. It was to prevent states from blockading each others goods.

curcur

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

I can’t honestly believe people support this healthcare bill in its entirety. How in the world can the gov’t tell me that I HAVE to buy something. That is ridiculous. I understand it will help many people that have lost there jobs or otherwise can’t afford insurance, but to mandate that everyone in this country buy it is ludacris! What has happened to our supposedly “free” country?

The Cynical White Boy

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

No lawsuit against Obama-Pelosi-Reid? No surprise here.

The Messiah demands obedience, and Baker bows before Him.

Maybe the Chosen One will make a campaign stop for Baker, and Baker can touch the hem of His garment as He passes by.

Nancy

March 24th, 2010
1:56 pm

My husband and I have masters degrees and twenty plus years of experience in our chosen fields. We paid cash for our East Cobb home. Three years ago I was diagnosed with breast cancer. It is a huge relief to know that I can have a second career, start a business, and maybe some day retire without having to worry about whether or not I will have healthcare available to me at any price. THAT IS REAL FREEDOM!!! The only people happy with the current system are those who have never had to use it or worry about losing it. This country has now joined the civilized world.

By the way, you can’t call yourself pro life if you opposed healthcare in a country with the highest infant and maternal death rate in the industrialized world.

Gritz Blitz

March 24th, 2010
1:57 pm

Any expense of a lawsuit that can help undue this unconstitutional power grab by the Obama Democrats will be money well spent. You can’t put a price tag on freedom, and we lost a large share of it on Sunday. We should take any measure necessary to repeal this devastating piece of legislation.

Ben

March 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

Good luck to you, Mr. Baker, in your pursuit of becoming governor. You will not be getting a vote from me.

M Johnson

March 24th, 2010
1:58 pm

Thank you Mr. Banke!!!

free

March 24th, 2010
1:59 pm

thanks thurbert! not hard to believe that sonny “i’m broke so all the teachers have to pay for it” purdue is willing to spend money on anything to further HIS agenda.

Hildy

March 24th, 2010
1:59 pm

I can not wait to vote for Karen Handle.

Native Georgian

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Wow! I’m amazed and happy at the GA legislators for a change. I felt sure this would be the start of the next Civil War.

Pat

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Well said Nancy. Thanks!

GiveMeABreak

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

No matter how you feel about the legislation, Baker is right. These lawsuits are a complete waste of money and are only being presented for political gain. They have no chance of taking effect. Its just as wasteful as the repeal bills that members of congress have decided to introduce. There is no chance of the bill being repealed anytime before 2012 yet they introduce them anyways. Quit wasting our time and money!

The man

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

“c note” – You are required to have insurance to protect others not yourself, and that is only if you choose to drive on public roads. That’s what liability insurance covers. Please have a clue about the subject if you are going to try to argue a point, you bonehead.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:00 pm

Nancy – Truly sorry to hear you have Breast Cancer. However, that in no way justifies having someone else pay for your health care. Would you go to them personally and, with the threat of force, demand they pay? No. But you are be ok with having the government do just that for you? That is exactly what this law does.

Lynn

March 24th, 2010
2:01 pm

THank you Nancy. And I know your a strong women like so many others who have Breast Cancer.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:02 pm

If things don’t improve rapidly, this and further planned actions WILL lead to a civil war. Obama will be able to exceed his idol’s (Lincoln) record of almost 700,000 dead in the last internal war.

JR

March 24th, 2010
2:03 pm

c note, you are not required to have insurance for your car. You are required (by the State) to be insured against damages you may cause to others if you drive on public roads. If you don’t want to buy the insurance, don’t drive. If you don’t want Obamacare insurance, too bad.

David

March 24th, 2010
2:05 pm

The majority of the people did not want mandated health insurance and now your telling us that your not going to fight it? Running for the office for Governor? Good luck, it will be a waist of your time.

mrs.w

March 24th, 2010
2:05 pm

I’m a Dem. and I voted for our President, but 1 thing I don’t understand and don’t agree with is the “FINE” a person may get for not having/buying health insurance. Although I don’t always agree with my party or President it still beats being a Republican any day.

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
2:06 pm

JF McNamara – You miss the point. Driving is a privilege. Certain people are allowed to drive by the government and a license issued to them by the government. If they do not wish to drive, they can use trains, planes, public transport, feet, etc. In order to keep the license and the privilege of driving, insurance is required.

Health insurance is not for a government granted privilege. It is not there to protect others. You see, the auto insurance you are required to purchase protects other drivers. Insuring yourself is an option you choose.

Brains, warm them up a bit before using.

T

March 24th, 2010
2:06 pm

This is not surprising. Baker is not listening to the majority of Georgians. He is playing the political game and making his decision based on politics and race. The further we get into this health care reform, more and more people will realize what a bad bill it is. More and bigger government is not the answer to all problems, even though liberal Democrats would have you believe that. Hopefully, in November, all these liberal Democrats will get what they deserve and will get voted out of office!

Tylerdee

March 24th, 2010
2:06 pm

Now that the dust has settled………Thank you Mr. Baker….somebody is doing the right thing. Those same people that are against this bill will be the same people using it to their advantage. Instead of Bush coming up with this idea to save lives …he came up with an idea to eliminate lives…Alot of men and women have died in the past 8 years and we have spent tons of money financing a senseless war. I don’t hear anyone complaining about that. I say end the war and move that money over to support the Healthcare bill and save some lives. I have insurance but I am concerned for those who don’t have it. For those complaining about the requirement to have health insurance….it’s a law to have Auto insurance….and a big fine if you are caught without it so what’s wrong with having something that will save your life. Preventative health care is much cheaper than going to the emergency room and finding out it’s too late to do anything for you…..SO WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE AND QUIT BEING A BUBBLE!!!

TDawg

March 24th, 2010
2:08 pm

Nancy – I empathize with your situation, but it is not the job or right to force a private citizen to enter into a contract with another private citizen for a product he doesn’t want or choose. You’re, also mistaken to think this bill has anything to do with helping people access insurance they can’t afford. That could have been accomplished in a much smaller and less expensive bill. The goal was power. And if you have a recurrence down the road, the same government that passed this law will very likely deny you treatment because it will cost more than they determine the rest of your life would be worth.

SH

March 24th, 2010
2:08 pm

Thank you, Mr. Baker for doing your job. The key words in the sentence are ‘”viable legal claim “. Anybody can have claim. The claim’s viability is what is important here when you want to use Georgia dollars and resources, which are in short supply.

TIREDOFTHEBLKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
2:08 pm

Hummm lets see the Govt already pays for abortions, HPV treatment, sterilazations, office visits, Emergency Aid for illegal immagrints, Condoms, Contreceptives, Office Visits, Male Steralizations….. Please tell me anything new in this plan that’s not already taken care of by the states. The insurance companies are now being taxed because of the overseas workers mostly repubs that are going to point the finger at rising costs at this but if people read they would know that the insurance companies are not required to participate in the reform they can become a govt subsidized insurance company it’s by choice. Please read read read!!!!!! Stop letting someone tell you what is happening and read it for yourselves.

Brian

March 24th, 2010
2:09 pm

If this bill was sooooo good, then why was Obama bribing Dems, who were going to vote no, vote yes?

Sharon Zirn

March 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

The Attorney General is not the only lawyer in town.

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

Nancy -

Actually read the study ion which infant mortality rates are based. The US records pre-birth deaths as infant mortality, other countries just use death of the child during or immediately after labor. The US has the best preemie care in the world. In the many of the other countries premature births are not included.

Republican or Democrat, never trust the statistics until you have seen how they are generated.

Ron N' Mexico

March 24th, 2010
2:10 pm

If I am a “teabagger” then you are a “teabaggee” – the recipient my friend. Think about what you post before you spew out your venom.

Baker was done before he even started running for governor. This is keeping him true to his base.

aquarius

March 24th, 2010
2:11 pm

The comments on here from people who think their insurance premiums will actually go down are so naive it’s laughable. November can’t get here fast enough.

Steaks

March 24th, 2010
2:11 pm

Thank God for Obama and the democrats. I need the government to tell me when to wipe my butt.

KD

March 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

Taking from the pockets of others to pay for cancer treatment, that is VERY SELFISH. My grandmother had breast cancer. She lost her house paying for it, but she still had her AMERICAN PRIDE. She was poor, not an East Cobb snob…but she raised three college graduates to have too much pride to accept handouts…to work for what we have and be proud.

HILLBILLY PERDUE

March 24th, 2010
2:12 pm

DEFINITION OF A HILLBILLY GOVERNOR: Old, Portly, Southern, elected official who insists that his state is broke, but immediately finds (and supports spending) millions of dollars to fund a frivolous lawsuit against the federal government. Hmmmmmm, they governor of a state is the sum total of all the hillbillies contained therein! Georgia is KUNTRY! Atlanta is BIG KUNTRY!

Tylerdee

March 24th, 2010
2:13 pm

BUT……he is the only STATE ATTORNEY!!!!!!

Laura

March 24th, 2010
2:14 pm

Just because 13 (and potentially more) other states are doing something doesn’t mean Georgia has to follow suit – remember what your mother was constantly asking you as a child – “if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too”? All states have federal mandates which they are required to partially fund from state tax funds – Medicare, Medicaid, No Child Left Behind, TANF (welfare) – I could go on, but no need to. A good number of experienced legal scholars have looked at the case law surrounding these 10th amendment cases and have determined this case virtually a sure loser. Mr. Baker has made a wise decision about not wasting taxpayer funds for something that is a low percentage move and will most likely result in a lot of money spent for no good end. As an attorney, I applaud his decision. Now, if they’d just do the same thing with death penalty prosecutions, which cost over 15 times more to prosecute to their ultimate conclusion (we’re talking multi-millions of dollars here, folks) than it does to keep the rotten scum who committed capital crimes in prison for life without parole (about $1.5 million). Furlough days for schools and teachers would be a thing of the past.

IC Atlanta

March 24th, 2010
2:15 pm

Nancy sorry to hear about your illness. But why should I or anyone else, who don’t know your from Adam, be required to give up part of our life to pay for your problems? Should one hour of my workday be set aside to pay Nancy’s bills? What about my children, grandchildren – what about my bills. Well kids I have to pay for Nancy first before I can buy your clothes or food. I don’t want to go to jail. Have you thought about taking a mortgage out on your house to pay for your medical bills? The “benefits” don’t kick in for 4-years so not sure how Obama Care will help you in the near future anyway.

You also can’t look in the mirror and call yourself pro-life if you support this bill.

James

March 24th, 2010
2:16 pm

A democrat Not wanting to challenge his democratic party buddies proves that Dems are only for the Democratic Party and Not for the people. Take it to the courts and Prove it is [or is not] unConstitutional. Bakers’ decision is not a surprise.

REDRUM

March 24th, 2010
2:17 pm

For all the Constitution scholars, Congress is not protected by the COMMERCE CLAUSE but by the TAX CLAUSE. Congress has the right to levy taxes and any federal law trumps state law. Remember the “Civil War”? It was all about the states rights issue and if Federal Law would not have trumped state law we know who would still be out on the back 40 picking G*DD#$N cotton. So screw all of you racist RETHUGLICANS AND TEA PARTIERS. We all have guns now so let’s get it on if that’s what you want.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
2:18 pm

Aquarius, you are absolutely correct. Rates are going to skyrocket, especially for corporate insurance policies.

American

March 24th, 2010
2:20 pm

Backers made his decision of not filing law suit are following: his party and his color of his skin. If you do not believe this look that congress in the State of GA who voted for it.

GiveMeABreak

March 24th, 2010
2:20 pm

How are any of you paying for Nancy to have health insurance? She is happy because if she decides to change jobs or start a business then she cant be denied healthcare coverage for her preexisting condition. She is still going to pay for her insurance, whether it be through a new company plan or the insurance exchange. Do republicans really think this plan just creates universal healthcare for all?

MiltonMan

March 24th, 2010
2:21 pm

Of course the clown Baker was not going to follow through. He needs free healthcare when he loses the Democratic nomination to King Roy the Rat.

Atlas

March 24th, 2010
2:21 pm

Leave it to the AJC to continue to show their bias even in the easiest of stories to report.
“Legal scholars around the country have largely opined that the lawsuits by the states face steep odds as the courts have largely protected Congress’ ability to act in this manner.”
Many other “legal scholars” have said the exact opposite. Wouldn’t a better statement have been; “Legal scholars around the country have been debating the merits of lawsuits from the states based on the 10th Amendment.”?
Our dear Attorney General will be out of work in 2010… and hopefully the AJC will be out of business.

Tucker Guy

March 24th, 2010
2:22 pm

I have an honest question for the people commenting here who say they don’t want to buy health insurance. Please answer, and if you can convince me, I will change my opinion.

If you become seriously ill or are badly injured and need medical care, are you willing to say you should be left to die and denied emergency room services if you can’t pay up front for your care? If not, making you buy health insurance is not only wise (and legal) because your lack of insurance will impose costs on ME (who has insurance and pays premiums) because my costs go up to take into account treating people who can’t pay. If you are willing to sign a living will saying that you want to be left to die (and to support repeal of federal and state laws that require hospitals to provide emergency treatment to everyone regardless of ability to pay), then I will accept the notion that your refusal to buy health insurance is an exercise of personal liberty.

Otherwise, you are just a “free rider” – getting other people to pay for your emergency health care because you are a deadbeat (not a freedom fighter). Don’t tread on ME – by making me pay higher health insurance premiums to cover care for people like you who want free treatment you can’t afford when you finally need it.

Henry Native

March 24th, 2010
2:22 pm

Baker needs to get out office so people of Georgia can electe some-one who will stand for people right to liberty and freedom and not mucher.
Henry Native

TIREDOFTHEBLKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
2:22 pm

People why fight something that you are going to lose and waste money. If I was an evil person I would wish on you that you lost everything and needed a helping hand to see the benefits. IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al

March 24th, 2010
2:23 pm

While I have always believed we should take care of our own before spending any money overseas, I think this is the wrong approach. While there may be mechanisms in this bill to prevent the poor from having to pay for their coverage, EVERYTHING they purchase will have a price increase to pay for the new coverage for everyone. Companies are not going to absorb these costs, they are going to have to be passed on the customers. None of this will be free to anyone!

Rollo Tomasi

March 24th, 2010
2:23 pm

Ok, Homework time. I want everyone to do the following: Read and analyze fully Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution dealing with Commerce Clause – “The Congress shall have power… To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”
The Taxing and Spending Clause – “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”
The Necessary and Proper Clause – “The Congress shall have power… To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

Then read Amenments 9 and 10 and really look at the wording and how the amendments are constructed, particularly the lack of the word “expressly”
Then look at the follwing court cases Wickard vs. Filburn, Garcia vs. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority, and South Dakota vs. Dole(as well as all the others dealing with amendment 10).

After you have done this, then question if the AG acted in the best intrest of the state and the best intrest of the law. Then everyone can have an intelligent debate.

LeTrise

March 24th, 2010
2:23 pm

What a joke. I’m black and I don’t care what color this man is, he’s sending us all to the poor house. We are allowing the Federal Government to become a powerhouse. Does anyone wonder why US Senators and Representatives are exempt from this bill? Do you really think they are going to live by the health care bill they pass? Lets see how much longer America will be the “greatest” Country in the world. Some of you are right, people need to wake up and remove color from the equation. This man is all about making history for himself. And he actually thinks he has all us black folks fooled, think again BO!!

Jack B

March 24th, 2010
2:25 pm

As usual, the AJC is inaccurate. The AG of Louisiana is a Democrat and Louisiana is joining in the lawsuit. I guess this hump Baker is the AG that lost the big lawsuit with Florida over water rights. Loser. (But I don’t mind….I’m in Florida!) As for you slacker welfare gummint-please-take-care-of-me types, go find a different country to suck on.

No Surpise He is Black

March 24th, 2010
2:27 pm

No surprise he didn’t want to sue….he is a black democrat…..no brainer! Bye bye Mr. Baker, you signed your own retirement!

Patricia

March 24th, 2010
2:28 pm

Baker is a Democrat first and foremost and that is why he won’t pursue this. No noble efforts on Mr. Baker’s part here. I’ll be working to put a conservative Republican or Libertarian in the AG’s position between now and November.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
2:28 pm

Letrise-
They already shop on the exchange, they just don’t have to pay for it.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

Well, many of you are happy about the potential handouts. What will you do when the reality of this law slaps you in the face? Already Doctors are announcing closing up or scaling back. This will result in even more unemployment as as Nurses and other staff are laid off. Also this will reduce health care options for everyone. As has happened everywhere that tried socialized medicine, it results in rationing and increased costs. While many of the countries that have already been down this dead end path are looking for a way out, Obama drives the country blindly down the same road.

American

March 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

If Perdue office files a suite then he must take the case.

Bryan

March 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

No wonder the AJC is struggling financially, it looks like most of their followers are Obama supporters

ThrashFanMax

March 24th, 2010
2:30 pm

Boy the ignorance and re-distribution of my hard earned money people have been busy today. Look at all the blogs slamming republicans, and Sonny (no fan here)…but not one offering legal policy that supports this law being legal. That is right drive up the cost of health care for the middle class to support those too damn sorry to work or addicted to welfare. Oh wait we pay for that too. Do not begrudge those who make good money by working hard or being smart enough to not have to work hard. Instead figure out a way to put more people on the payroll of PRIVATE companies. IF I decide I DO NOT want health insurance then by god it is my right to NOT purchase it, and in the future I will give the finger to the IRS for it as well. No one wants to balance the budget by calling for more responsible government….no one wants to insure that everyone has access to affordable housing (wait that might be next, we all must own a home), and no one wants to figure out a way to allow hard working Americans to KEEP more of the money that THEY earn….tell me when did the IRS of any member of the government ever go work your job…they did not.

Health care reform should have involved regulating insurance companies and the miles of red tape that they throw consumers into when there is a claim. Instead let’s overhaul a system that protects us pretty well and provides THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD….that is right….do the reasearch….oh but wait the whiners want US to pay for THEM…….GET A FREAKING JOB….I am sick of it….If OBAMA is the answer please someone tell me what the question was….as far as legality….I think individuals should go ahead and sue on the basis that it restricts the right of freedom of choice…it forces one to engage in interstate commerce that they might not want to participate in….and it infringes upon (like the IRS does already) our rights not to be taxed without representation…..if you want to see what happens…wait till the mid-term elections…you will see.

As for the state budget Gov Fathead has killed that for years. Hey lay off six of those 100k ++ assistants that he hired and created positions for….oh and lay off supervisors in state gov’t not the people doing the work. Cut spending on pet projects, diverte money from corrections into schools and public safety…we spend almost 4x as much to house and keep inmates as we do on our students. Make sure schools are all staffed with REAL nurses. Instead lets kill education and public safety.

True this issue is politically charged and Baker…well you pay those people whether they work or not…so where is the cost…oh wait it would be shared with the other states…duhhhhh. q the republicans tried to have input put the threats from Obama and his Chicagoland politics quelled anything not their idea (because a 2000 page bill with breaks for certain states aka buying votes, will ever be understood by anyone.) Gene those people probably make little or no money anyway. REAL POLITICO get off your high horse and respect our right to keep the money we earned…no where in the constitution does it say we have to support those who do not want to work or can not work. Duh….oh and as for that deduction, they should not even be collecting federal income taxes at the point of a gun through the IRS…find that in the constitution you jerk…oh and yes I do have insurance but I also know how scary it is to live without it and have a child…fiscal responsibility it is called….these people should get some, and medicare and medicaid (that we taxpayers pay for) can help those disabled and to old to work. STIFFBACK they are trying to control our right to choose providers and force us to buy something we do not need…oh and it is nothing like AUTO Insurance…that is to protect others you may damage while you drive moron. JEFFREY as a supporter of freedom for everyone I will stand right beside you for your rights as a gay man…no ones business what you do and marry if you want…will make divorce court more interesting for the rest of us..lol…but do not lump us all together….I think government has overstepped on many issues and this one should be the final straw.TIREDOFTHEBLACKCOMMENTS me too it is not racial it is freedom…while you are correct that states pay for indigent care now, this will put even more burden on a system already set up for failure. At least get your facts right as well, 32 million in this country added to a stressed payor list and now we pay higher taxes….the only thing I want to pay more for would be to help educate our students…but let’s just strip that to pay for those too lazy to work….and in many many cases that is what is going on. DAVE I read a democratic summary of the bill…oh and many of them do not like it either….air force one rides and special breaks for some states oh yeah that is constitutional…get a grip. WAKE UP you need to wake up and try again the constitution protects those rights mentioned and those not mentioned….the government has no right to infringe upon them…you learn that in high school by the way….so I do have a right to be uninsured. LUCY you are wrong…even the Dems admit premiums will double or triple for most, especially the middle class, by 2014, so if you want to take food off my table be prepared to fight me for it. RUSH CHENEY Obama grew the debt more in his first three months than Bush in his whole tenure….oh and I don’t agree with the Bush policies either…but if you were not a criminal then the Patriot Act would not bother you…oh and I disagree with it as well…just see it from both sides as a former cop. SICK AND TIRED if you hit someone and damage their person or vehicle how do you propose to pay for it without insurance coverage??? That is all I need to say, health insurance is a different animal. DAVE if you have a catastrophic event, in many cases, the insurance company refuses care anyway. If you do not have it….you pay your bills as best you can….duh…oh here is a thought buy your own damn policy…many companies selling direct now…but do not make me pay for your insurance…idiot. PESO–AMEN why not try to help insurance companies and hospitals/doctors regulate COSTS somehow right? Not bill the working class for this…AN we complain about Medicare/Medicaid regularly and are forced to pay into it. I have a right not to be forced to pay for someone else’s healthcare that is why. This country is not a Democracy where the majority rules….go back to civics class. JF MCNAMARA it is called standing with those to have a larger voice…and do not pretend to compare health insurance and car insurance they serve different purposes. AUDREY IN GEORGIA get a grip….homeowners and car insurance are NOT the same thing…think before you blog. UGA LAW it is an act of interstate commerce….but it is only to be regulated by the government and not forced to take place at threat of fine or jail. DUH. LUCY it takes more of my money because the companies WILL raise rates to be able to pay all the claims that the formerly not on their roles because of conditions who have joined the roles and have the bills will run up. The salient issues you raise are good ones…why not just have a bill for that instead of forcing health insurance on everyone like that and thus taking more of my hard earned money to pay for it. If you want to give your entire paycheck over go ahead but leave me out of it. LEGAL EAGLE you pay for their health care, I do not want to…I have a family of my own to take care of and do not need the government taking anymore of what I make.

Last thing….not political and not racist…this merits more study for the lawsuit….if it is not warranted so be it…but Baker will never win the governor’s race….and Sonny will be gone but careful what you ask for people….healthcare and insurance is a personal choice…not a right protected or guaranteed by the constitution….

Michael

March 24th, 2010
2:32 pm

Why does it always have to come down to race. The state is broke and this would be a costly lawsuit. With 14 other states sueing, if one wins they all win so why risk the cost.

sam

March 24th, 2010
2:32 pm

I cannot pay for my healthcare. will they put me in jail. I have no place to lay my head.

Masters Degree

March 24th, 2010
2:32 pm

TO Those who say COMMUNIST.. I do not want to be told to buy anything… wait.. wait… Doesn’t the state TELL you to buy insurance for your car right now or you are going to get fined? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? umm…wait wait.. the race of the person it is coming from!

I love everyone even ignorant people… they make the world more fun.

Kevin

March 24th, 2010
2:33 pm

If I’m not mistaken, the State of Georgia doesn’t require the constent of the AG to file a lawsuit. If Sonny wants to do it, I feel certain that he can figure out a way to file.

You people who say it’s a “waste of money and time” are arguably the most dangerous. Because something is going to be difficult, we should simply lay down and take it? Seriously? This is beyond healthcare– it’s an unfunded mandate to State.

Are you so incredibly naive to think that, with states’ increased financial burden, our state taxes won’t go up exponentially? And, just so you know, it’s not just the rich (you know . . . those evil, blood-thirsty people that do mean and horrible things like creating jobs) that will pay increased state taxes. Check out your latest tax return. Your (even you deserving, poorer people) will pay more. Thanks for that.

BC

March 24th, 2010
2:33 pm

Wake Up – You are correct, the Constitution does not specifically say that, but look at the meaning and the intent of it. We have rights that are guaranteed and we cannot do anything that takes away any other persons rights, nor can, in theory at least, the government stop you from doing, or make you do, anything as long as you are not interfering on anyone else rights.

If I choose not to buy health coverage, who’s rights am I infringing on?

I am sure we could debate this and show examples both ways all day, so although we choose to disagree I will say this…..never stop debating no mater wha
t side you are on, it good for all of us!!

will sass u

March 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

Good, just shows no matter where you go… A Democrat is a Democrat! No Jobs, no Healthcare, No respect for the Constitution, and No Pre-existing Condition for any kids until 2014!

You guys hear this….NO BENEFIT for kids until 2014! You been had….useless idiots

Al

March 24th, 2010
2:34 pm

To Fergie and others who think like her… I’m sorry you see the world as black or white. You are really missing out on a lot. But to equate this issue to race shows your ignorance. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with the color of anyone’s skin. Please lose the racial comments, they add nothing of substance to this issue.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
2:35 pm

ThrashFanMax-
“Tax without representation”
What??? Your representative is in the house. That is your representation.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:35 pm

“Why the Personal Mandate to Buy Health Insurance Is Unprecedented and Unconstitutional” http://is.gd/aWViM

Patriot

March 24th, 2010
2:36 pm

This is a defining moment in the constitutional integrity of both you and our representatives that have blatantly disrupted the democratic process for which this great country was founded upon. We are not ones to have something crammed down our throats and nor should you be apart of something that is and will be so costly to the betterment of our country!!!

The time is now to not go along with the supposed majority in this party but to stand on the principle and absolute truth that our nation was not a nation where a select few make decisions that would put our country in a spiral of unimaginable chaos do to the lack of loyalty to the constitution and to the People!!! WE THE PEOPLE” not “we the government” or the President!

the country has spoken and we DO NOT WANT THIS BILL!!!! the government does!!

LISTEN TO THE POLLS we don’t like the bill!!! change it, amend it, and or get rid of it, and represent the people in what will be an historic event either way you look at it …pass it and the wrath of the free and independent will be upon you, … vote no and be the one who stood against many for what is right! that’s integrity!

Our country deserves better!!!we deserve greatness and it can start with you!

to negate us the citizens and focus on a pushing something through that is not at its greatest or maybe its not what we truly need is UN-American you are failing us and those who truly thought it might be possible to have a representative that put action 1st and and let his actions speak for him, yet your mouth seems to be in action far more than anything else.

“to be, rather than to seem”…is my request for you Mr. President

Thank you,

Proud citizen and patriot

LeTrise

March 24th, 2010
2:37 pm

Lets try another newspaper, check this out:
O’s ego booster shot!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ego_booster_shot_bqpgTMDkjhGhr2HBW9ySlK

Chris

March 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

I guess that the common good of the State of Georgia is not on AG Baker’s mind. Instead, politics and protecting his friends is more important.

For those of you who like HCR, why don’t you pay the extra cost for it – no, wait….you deadbeats want everything for free.

Healthcare like lobster, steak, HDTV, expensive vacations, big homes is not a right.

There is one thing we can all agree on – this is going to be a fight that isn’t going away anytime soon.

Al

March 24th, 2010
2:38 pm

Hey Master’s Degree! Do you have to purchase insurance if you don’t own a car? But under this plan if you have a beating heart, you have to buy the insurance? But of course you cannot see the difference because you have your racial blinders on again.

Jennifer

March 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Thank you, Attorney General Baker!

Ann

March 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

What kind of idiot is this AG? Has he, like obozo, not read the Constitution or have no real understanding of it? My guess is he’s fluent in Marxism because no where in the Constitution does it give either the legislative or executive branch of government the authority to mandate the purchase of anything or a penalty for the refusal to do so. That is something reserved for the citizens in their states to determine. Of course he isn’t going to pursue it…but not to worry, there are possibly 37 of the other 49 states that either have filed suit or are looking in to it. Talk about a huge usurption of states’ rights. Are all dimrats this power hungry? Sure looks that way. Remember folks, if they can control your healthcare, they control everything about you. Do you really want to live like a puppet?

Michael

March 24th, 2010
2:40 pm

Will sass u- The Pre-existing clause went into effect immediately when he signed it. 2014 is for adults

Tucker Guy

March 24th, 2010
2:41 pm

No one has answered my point above (that you aren’t a “libertarian” if you refuse to buy health insurance, just a free rider who wants everyone else to pay for your emergency care).

Not surprising – being a teabagger is about yelling, not about knowing anything about what you’re yelling about!

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:42 pm

Access to Health Care is a right, not an enumerated one, but still a right. That means no government can block your access to health care. Not that you get it handed to you. No right can exist by taking from others! This law does exactly that.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

And this healthcare isn’t even free…have you people read the bill?

TIREDOFTHEBLKCOMMENTS

March 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

Also for everyone that is sooo scared that your rates are going up, how about you drop your plan and gp with the Govt plan that will be significantly less. I’m sure theres not that many families over the 250k range that won’t qualify. Seriously I can tell that most of you nay sayers are only against it because of race because you can’t see that this is for everyone not just people on welfare. Give me a break!

Greg

March 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

Hello…

Massachusetts has this mandate already. It was authored by none other than Mitt Romney…so tell me why are the Republicans now saying the mandate is against the law?

Because they are sore stinking losers who say No to everything and offer no solutions for anything…that is except finding ways to make Rich People richer at the expense of everyone else.

Good Job Mister Baker…at least there is one smart Politician in this state. Thank you for not wasting taxpayer money on this nonsense.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
2:43 pm

Bill Tuttle- What right is being taken by you and given to others?

Greg

March 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Michael…good point…this is not free insurance for all.

Masters Degree

March 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Hey AL let’s put this so a child can understand. Car insurance is for your car. Health insurance is for your health. If you do not need a car…. you do not need car insurance…. If you do not need health I say you $%#&* yourself right now!

brenda

March 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Mr. Baker did the right thing. I am a black female born and raised in Chicago and I was a strong Hillary supporter. I support Obama now because he is my President. I have never been on welfare and I’ve worked all of my life. Give this Healthbill a chance before you knock something just because you don’t like someone. When you loose your job and no longer have insurance and you or your kids get seriously ill you may be the main person who will have to use this bill to give yourself a chance to live. Be careful what you say because God has a way of showing you different.

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

It is hard to stomach some of the comments made by those that support this law. Those that compare it to auto and home insurance have not looked past what they feel they will benefit from this law at all.

Auto Insurance. In Georgia if you drive on public roads, you will have at minumum liability to protect a person from damage you caused and might not be able to repay them for yourself. If you have a lean on that vehicle, that lean holder will require you insure that vehicle to protect their asset. If you don’t own a car, or drive on public roads, you are required to pay auto insurance. You are not fined if you don’t have auto insurance.

Home owners is not required by the State of Georgia. Again, lean holders do for the same reason’s as a car lender. Again, if you don’t own a home, you are not required to have it. If you don’t have it, you are not fined.

My poor health cannot financially impact anyone outside of those I care for, unless those people have to pay for it. But for whatever my reasons may be to decline health insurance or even medical treatment, I will have to pay a fine.

Also understand, State law requires Georgia run on a balanced budget. Currently we are looking at huge deficits due to less revenue as result of the poor economy. Purdue has to find a way to maintain a balanced budget with the funds projected to be collected. He is looking ways to cut costs and unfortunately cuts always hurt. With this new law, Purdue has additional expenses to add to an already lopsided budget, that Georgia law says he WILL balance.

He will have two choices here. Either reduce spending via cutting state programs and jobs, or increase taxes on Georgia’s citizens to increase the states revenue. .

That is the reality of what us Georgian’s face.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:45 pm

No – nothing the government does is free. It operates off of those that are producers. The government is NOT a producer.

Mark

March 24th, 2010
2:45 pm

” The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” – James Madison

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
2:45 pm

Oops, that would be lien not lean in the above post.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
2:46 pm

I want to extend a heartfelt thank you to Clem and everyone else who called me a “deadbeat.” It’s quite revealing that my choice to pay my own medical costs and be responsible for my decisions makes me a deadbeat. Health care is NOT a right. Access to health care, however, is. How ironic that there is no right to life, but there is a mandate to insurance.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:46 pm

Disliking this bill has NOTHING to do with disliking Obama. It has a great deal to do with detesting all the socialist policies he is promoting.

tired of it

March 24th, 2010
2:46 pm

I hate being on the other side of racial prejudice.
Baker is being manhandled my his peeps and needs to grow a pair before he bankrupts our state further

ThrashFanMax

March 24th, 2010
2:47 pm

AMERICAN if he files a SUITE then perhaps he put a hotel room away…it is a SUIT…and there are grounds for it. Ask a Canadian (many of which come here for healthcare and pay cash) about socialized medicine. ROLLO TOMASI you need to read those again as well because they applied to the ability of the country to raise money for the protection of the COUNTRY and provide for a national defense…..please read your constitution carefully. TIREDOFBLACKCOMMENTS I have been unemployed (layoffs or business downsizing) three times in my life and guess what, never got any benefits…struggled to pay COBRA but did not ask for handouts, and I refuse to support anymore than my family. TUCKER GUY because of the numbers we are talking about here premiums will at least double or triple…that is still up for discussion, but they will not hold the line because now insurers will be paying for more procedures and in many cases for people who are not paying premiums. Let these people pay into the system before trying to get something out. REDRUM the Civil war was over states rights….the REVOLUTIONARY WAR was fought over taxation….get your history all together. NANCY while I empathize with your plight, you understood when you left a job to start a business or a new job that your insurance coverage may not continue, and while I understand your desire to have insurance pay for your illness…I have the right not to pay for your illness from my income and that is what is going to happen here. Why not regulate pre-existing conditions instead of forcing this upon everyone….work on the causes (costs) and not the outcome (forced coverage).

Patriot

March 24th, 2010
2:47 pm

President Obama is about to break his central campaign promise: a “firm pledge” not to raise “any form” of taxes on families making less than $250,000 per year. The healthcare bill passed by the House and Senate contains seven taxes that unquestionably violate Obama’s pledge.

(Page numbers reference ORIGINAL REID-OBAMA BILL unless noted):

Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Page 324/Sec. 1501/Jan 2014*): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following (page 71 of manager’s amendment updates Reid bill):

Single

2 People

3+ People
2014

$495/0.5% AGI

$990/0.5% AGI

$1485/0.5%/AGI
2015

$495/1.0% AGI

$990/1.0% AGI

$1485/1.0%/AGI
2016+

$495/2.0% AGI

$990/2.0% AGI

$1485/2.0%/AGI

Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS).

Employer Mandate Tax (Page 348/Sec. 1513/Jan 2014*): Small business owners pay their business taxes on their personal 1040 forms. This tax does not exempt startup small business owners even if they make less than $250,000. If the employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $750 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees.

If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).
Medicine Cabinet Tax (Page 1997/Sec. 9003/$5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans would no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Page 1998/Sec. 9004/$1.3 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Page 1999/Sec. 9005/$14 bil/Jan 2011): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2011 (added on page 363 of manager’s amendment). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

Medical Itemized Deductions Cap (Page 2034/Sec. 9013/$15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction if the total cost of the expenses reduces the filer’s income by 7.5%. The new provision would impose a threshold of 10%. This new tax will most adversely affect early retirees and the catastrophically ill. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Page 373 of Manager’s amendment/$2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10% excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons
NONE OF THE ABOVE PROVISIONS EXEMPTS FAMILIES MAKING LESS THAN $250,000

Greg

March 24th, 2010
2:48 pm

@will sass u

Who’s been had??…Most of us have been paying attention. We all knew that It was not going to kick in until 2014. However, Pre-Existing conditions..kicks in toward the end of this year. Stop talking nonsense!

You must have just woken up today……JEEZ…..

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
2:48 pm

Bill Tuttle- HUH? What does that have to do with anything.
On a sidenote, producers usually pass there tax burden to the consumer. So the consumer is actually the one paying the taxes. Even those who get welfare consume something.

REDRUM

March 24th, 2010
2:48 pm

HEY EVERYBODY, PLEASE READ WHAT ROLLO TOMASI POSTED. If you can understand it it explains everything to a T. Most of you might need help since it is written above a 4th grade level. So Rollo Tomasi please explain again what it says. Finally, someone with sense on this blog.

Atlanta Native

March 24th, 2010
2:48 pm

Masters Degree – I repeat: you miss the point.

Driving is a privilege. Certain people are allowed to drive by the government and a license issued to them by the government. If they do not wish to drive, they can use trains, planes, public transport, feet, etc. In order to keep the license and the privilege of driving, insurance is required.

You see, the auto insurance you are required to purchase protects other drivers. It is called “liability insurance”. Insuring yourself, called “uninsured motorist” or “collision” is an option you choose. Your lender may require collision, but not the government.

Health insurance is not for a government granted privilege. It is not there to protect others. It is a policy you take out to protect yourself.

Brains, warm them up a bit before using. Let me guess, Masters in Liberal Arts?

scott

March 24th, 2010
2:49 pm

Where did this guy get his law degree from? The constitution was violated but he is trying to get the support of the party.

Bubba Barnes and Nogood. Dems going down again.

PS: when will Bubba quit going to his white church in the suburbs and repeat his visits to the urban churches as he did the last election.

TYLER HUNT

March 24th, 2010
2:50 pm

C YOU N NOVEMBER MR BAKER

IndependentTam

March 24th, 2010
2:50 pm

Have any of the folks who have posted bothered to do any fact checking at all? Just a question. If you claim to state the facts, please cite your source!! Please tell me what page in the bill or precedent (for those supporting a legal challenge to this bill) so the facts can be displayed clearly. Whether you do or do not support this bill, please get the facts straight instead of throwing out words like socialism, communist, etc. to stir up fear. (http://www.ajc.com/business/fact-check-spinning-the-397703.html).

Most folks would prefer to stew in the own ignorance than do the work required to make an informed decision. That’s what makes me upset about any of the debate about health care reform. Offer substantial options and don’t just say NO just for the sake of locking step with your party. This type of bill should have been bi-partisan but it seems to have been all or nothing for Republicans. They write the bill they way they want or it’s not going to get any support! Help the country by working together!! Do politicians understand how compromise works? Republicans and Democrats can’t claim that they care about the American public when they (namely Republicans) won’t compromise or scream it’s all for show when the opportunity to work together presents itself. Support for this bill was around 50/50 and no one has said it’s perfect. When is the partisanship going to stop? Does anyone else think we can either party can compromise or are politicians looking to November and that’s it? Has policy become based on what will get them elected during the next election cycle?

Just so I’m clear, I’m an independent and exhausted with the lack of decorum and logic in most arguments.

Masters Degree

March 24th, 2010
2:50 pm

Thanks Georgia boy!! You just made my point!!! you said

“My poor health cannot financially impact anyone outside of those I care for, unless those people have to pay for it.”

Who do you think pays for the babies born in emergency rooms and critical trauma for people that show up in EMERGENCY ROOM!!!

gm

March 24th, 2010
2:51 pm

Let me get this straight Sonny wants to spend money to sue, but dont want to give, teachers state workers a raise. How long will aging old white men continue to make Americans a racist looking country. What’s funny is how rich white men pimp poor white trash. Rush, Hannity, Beck make millions off these fools.

Brad

March 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

As the old saying goes, the only problem with Atlanta is that it’s surrounded by Georgia.

Olderandwiser49

March 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

Baker didn’t file because he is a Democrat, and for no other reason. It isn’t the expense of the lawsuit that should be of concern. It is the expense of the healthcare bill to the citizens of this country. No government program ever comes in at or below budget. It is often budgeted at one-tenth of the final actual cost. You can be assured that this is going to cost everyone far more than indicated and that it will ultimately include coverage for people it says it won’t. This is little more than extortion – buy insurance, or else! And as for those arguing that we are already “forced” to buy auto insurance, auto insurance is liability insurance to protect someone you injure. Health insurance is for personal use. Forcing us to buy it is no different than forcing an obese person to diet. In other words, it is a violation of our civil liberties. As long as our actions (or inactions)do not violate someone else’s rights, the government has no basis for ordering us to do something. Good luck in your campaign for Governor, Mr. Baker. With your short-sighted, follow-the-leader approach to government, sounds to me like you are vying for a position in Obama’s cabinet!

NJ

March 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

It makes me chuckle when people on here throw out words like “socialism” and “unconstitutional” when you know they clearly have no idea what those words actually mean!

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
2:52 pm

FILE ALL WRITTEN COMPLAINTS & PROTEST HERE…….. the more Baker Faker gets the more times he’s reminded of his mistake and ignorance….You can dress em up but you can’t take em out.

Office of the Attorney General
40 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, Ga 30334

Phone:

(404) 656-3300

Fax:

(404) 657-8733

AJC Reader

March 24th, 2010
2:54 pm

This is a set up. Neal gave out Baker’s phone number to “encourage” him to file suit. He knew Baker was going to refuse. Neal’s hoping that the voters would favor him for governor because of Baker’s refusal.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
2:54 pm

If forcing people to purchase insurance is unconstitutional, how was the draft constitutional

fedup

March 24th, 2010
2:54 pm

It is a sad day in America when our representatives will not listen and respond to the urging of their constituents. Most of you on this blog are sheep and will do whatever the Gov’t tells you to do. Obamacare with its mandates should be contested by all of the states in America. Baker is done and obviously not soon enough. It is insane what is going on with our Federal Gov’t. This is bad medicine for our country not just in terms of dimished freedom, but fiscally it is disastrous. It is a sad day for our country with the Constitution being used as toilet paper. The rule of law is all we have seperating us from our communist and socialist overseas neighbors. But it is not over. I can’t wait until November when all of these spineless representives will be booted out on their cans and we will see a new regime that believes in the Constitution and respects the will of the people. We will repeal this trash legislation and I will once again have renewed hope in our Country.

JF McNamara

March 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

Adam,

Here are your answers.

“JF McNamara, I understand your point, but at what cost? We as taxpayers are going to assist or take on 32 million more people to pay for to some extent? Car insurance will replace my car, which is an asset I value and paid for. I’ve never purchased my health, and work on my health myself, but it is not replacable by purchase. It also protects the other drivers assets.”

You don’t need to purchase health. Your parents did when they had you. It is replaceable by purchase. You can purchase open heart surgery, or chemo, or any number of operations to repace your health. It also protects my assets by not having to pay when you get this procedure without healthcare.

“I am paying for other peoples care and yet can’t afford a top notch policy for my own family through our business of less than 50 employees now. But this will make it better and more affordable?”

Can you get a top notch auto insurance policy? It will make it better and more affordable the same way it did against uninsured motorists. Since uninsured motorists are now paying something, the insurance companies can charge each individual less. Insurance holders no longer have the carry their weight.

For who? The ones who already get the free ride. It does not help me one bit and will not help my children down the road one bit. If somebody can tell me how this helps ME and my family either financially or coverage wise, please tell me.

I just did. Costs should drop because we have less people using emergency care as primary care. We have more people paying into the system meaning the average should be less for everyone.

In addition, you don’t know what the future holds. Under the current rules, your precious insurance had caps and could be dropped if you got a pre-existing condition. What would you have done then? You would’ve had a huge bill as a burden for your family or a bill that would’ve been paid by others in our society.

I hope this helps you figure it out.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
2:55 pm

Gallup Poll show Healthcare bill polling at 49%. How is that not the will of the people

Dawgs88

March 24th, 2010
2:56 pm

White and proud! I’ll take being a redneck hillbilly, that actual works, than a worthless black. All you people do is ruin good schools, neighborhood, and communities as a whole. This country would be 20 years ahead if it weren’t for you lazy butts. If your race is so smart, tell me this. Why is Europe the nicest continent and Africa the worst continent. Or why every neighborhood y’all move into goes down the toilet? Screw that socialist Obama

Al

March 24th, 2010
2:56 pm

Hey Masters Degree: If you read any of my previous posts, you would know I actually am for Health Care for all. What I am opposed to is the way it was thrust upon us. The way this bill is written, you and I are going to have to pay more for EVERYTHING we purchase: groceries, gas, electricity, cars, etc… Who do you think will be impacted the most by this? Not the rich!

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
2:57 pm

DAWGS88 is clearly a joke. Technically there are more white people on welfare than blacks anyway.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
2:57 pm

AJC Reader…all Politics is a power grab. Backstabbing, lying, cheating…twisting the truth. Thats what they do and people vote for these fools anyway.

Sad….

All Politicians are friends with each other. The sham in front of the cameras for us and share all of the cash whilst sharing 100 yr old whiskey behind closed doors.

Kino

March 24th, 2010
2:58 pm

I don’t really care if Baker’s Republican or Democrat, I’m just glad we’re not going to be spending money the state desperately needs on a frivolous lawsuit that has a piss poor chance of winning. Use it to pay for a couple of teachers salaries. It’d be better spent that way.

LH

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

If Baker would read why the other states are suing he would see that the gripe is that you who are not insured will be federally mandated to by insurance or be fined for not buying in. It is your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT not to be forced into something you don’t want to be apart of. Example: you make $15K a year you need all of that to live on now you HAVE to spend some of that on health insurance hence do you eat or do you buy insurance. WAKE UP PEOPLE

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

So typical of Liberals to throw out the “racist” line. Race has nothing to do with this. The odd thing is, the most racist people I’ve run into were all liberals. After all, who is more racist? Those ignoring race or those that don’t think minorities can’t make it without help? Libs always scream “racist” when the facts get in their way.

Dawgs88

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

Yeah Some People Are Stupid, like you. Because there is 201 million of us and about 22 million of them. Blacks make up the majority percentage you dumbass. Wow you’re a freaking genius.

DCDawg

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

For what it’s worth, I’m a lawyer. Let me try to provide some information and explain why these Republican-led lawsuits will fail. Almost all workers and their employers are required to participate in (i.e., pay a tax for) a government run retirement plan called Social Security. The Supreme Court has explicitly upheld Congress’ power to create such a program (1937). If you check your paycheck, you will note that you also are required to participate in and pay a tax for a government-run retiree health care program called Medicare. Congress’ power to create the Medicare program has also been upheld. The Medicaid program, which is needs-based and provides health care to poor persons is a JOINT state-federal program (funded by both). More importantly, it is a VOLUNTARY program. If the State of Georgia doesn’t want to participate in the Medicaid it can simply opt out and stop providing health care to the state’s neediest people. What the State of Georgia can’t do is voluntarily participate in the Medicaid program and then go crying to federal court claiming that the federal government is forcing it to participate. These lawsuits will be dismissed quickly. Thurbert Baker is to be commended for doing some legal research before running off to court.

Busy Mom

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

It just strikes me as ironic that the same conservatives that blasted the judiciary for activism from the bench now want the courts to step in to further their political agenda. Reality is most people like not having insurance companies drop you once you get gravely ill, having the ability to cover your kids through graduate school and making prescription drugs affordable for our elderly parents. And if Republicans think a bunch of slogans are going to hide these obvious and much needed reforms, perhaps they need to leave DC for a while.

Man named Sue

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

Sue the federal goverment after it has established the “Law of the Land?”
Can we sue against Social Security deductions from my pay check? Nope, federal mandate.
Can we sue cause the U.S. Constitution doesn’t mention income taxes? Nope, govts — local, state and national has the right to levy taxes.
Can we sue just cause we don’t like Obama and want to derail his efforts to do anything? Sure … But you won’t win, even with John Roberts presiding over SCOTUS.
That only leaves pouting. :(

ThrashFanMax

March 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

NJ I would be happy to debate you on communism and constitutional government….I have read the Communist Manifesto and writings of Hitler and Stalin…not to mention Marx….all of them advocate making the citizens dependent on government in order to gain trust and force them to do what the leaders want…Go to Cuba and ask Castro…duhhhhh.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
3:00 pm

If you make 15k you get a subsidy to pay. And you probably get EIC so nothing comes out of your pocket.I would suggest you go back to school though making 15k

Telling it Like it Is

March 24th, 2010
3:00 pm

1. Healthcare is NOT a right. Period. End of discussion.

2. Healthcare is NOT free. Period. End of discussion.

Show me a nation dripping with handouts, and I’ll show you a nation with no middle class. If you have young children, you better see to it they they all get a Harvard education. Anything less will guarantee they’ll end up on welfare.

Amy

March 24th, 2010
3:01 pm

I am glad someone in our state government has some sense. Perdue wants to file a frivolous lawsuit just because they don’t like the bill. Please. Our state is in debt up to its eyeballs an the Republicans want to continually go after the Democrats and Obama. Get over it. Try doing the right thing for once. Good for Baker!!

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:01 pm

@Some People are Stupid …you are totally correct, but not too many people know that….

As for Dawg88…

Stay where you are…no one is coming to find you. We do not need your home…you know that 1000 pound boulder that you crawled from. It was hard coming out from under that rock. However, this is 2010. What? It took you 50 yrs to get that rock off of your mellon. Yes…Yes…we can tell. Trust me we can tell.

Bill Tuttle

March 24th, 2010
3:01 pm

Enjoy folks. There’s enough dissent here, that it probably won’t be long til the AJC locks this down.

Eddie

March 24th, 2010
3:02 pm

Instead of putting his energy into setting up a high risk pool for those who want to pay for their own insurance, our governor is apparently more interested in making sure tax its residents don’t have to start paying for insurance four years from now. With with of the highest rates of uninsured in the national, that is sad. Governor, please show more interest in saving and improving the lives of Georgians who are being turned down for medical insurance for ridiculous reasons. The false notion that you can get free health care by just going to Grady’s emergency room is crazy. You can’t get emergency chemotherapy, or even expect them to set your broken bone. All our neighboring states have set up high risk pools to allow children and adults with pre-existing conditions access to health care insurance. Humana brags that the state of Georgia allows it to charge up to 7 times base rate for Cobra conversions (up to six times base for age, and one for geography). If Georgian legislators continue to not be charitable, so be it. Georgian doesn’t have to offer subsidies, but humanity calls for it to demand and fight for access to health insurance for its citizens at some fair price.
People are dying everyday, needlessly.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
3:02 pm

DAWGS88-Actually blacks don’t make up the percentage. That is still white people…I’m beginning to believe you didn’t attend UGA

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:03 pm

As the old saying goes, the only problem with Georgia is that it contains Atlanta. LOL!!!! Right back at ya!
The no denials of pre-existing coverage for children part was a lie! News article:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYnajhWrPEXihcCrpRNfUKN7rN-AD9EKTKIG0

You just dont get it.

March 24th, 2010
3:04 pm

How can it be illegal to do nothing?

The feds will fine you for not buying something.

Dawgs88

March 24th, 2010
3:04 pm

Uh yes they do retard. I’m a Political Scientist and I looked at the form this morning. They only make up 16% of the total U.S. population, and they make up around 50% of what’s on welfare. I’m tired of seeing my paycheck goes towards anyone on welfare. That socialist program should be eliminated.

Ver

March 24th, 2010
3:04 pm

Actually, there are Democrat AGs filing suit as well. It is the only thing bi-partisan about ObamaCare – the opposition to it.

Tom

March 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

A black democrat making this decision? Surely you jest!

howard

March 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

Thank goodness for the common sense of our Attorney General…

Dawgs88

March 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

Hey Greg, I’m sorry you’re a kiss butt liberal. Go back to that piece of crap “loft” mommy and daddy probably bought for you.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
3:05 pm

The discussion about it taking money to sue and Baker’s comments about it is laughable. It’s evident that Baker thinks that the Governor was asking him to hire someone. Baker needs a wake up call apparently. The Governor wasn’t asking, he was telling. He was telling in his gentle, polite way of doing so to do the work himself. He was telling Baker to get off his lazy arrrss and do it himself therefore there would be no cost. It’s funny how Baker says the cost isn’t something the taxpayers need given the finances the state is in. It’s evident Baker doesn’t understand that he is the one that is being told to do the work. The Governor will have Baker out in his overalls working his butt off before it’s over with…just wait, watch and see. Baker will come running to the Governor asking for his mercy when the Governor gets through with him. Politics can be He!!.

uberVU - social comments

March 24th, 2010
3:06 pm

Social comments and analytics for this post…

This post was mentioned on Twitter by robyn_amos: Glad Thurbert Baker would not be apart of the foolishness to sue the Feds like some other states http://bit.ly/bg7USV…

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:06 pm

Gap in health care law’s protection for children
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR (AP) – 9 hours ago

WASHINGTON — Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.

Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.

KC

March 24th, 2010
3:07 pm

Look at your pay stubs. See the FICA and Medicare withdrawals? Those are a direct tax used to fund Medicare and Medicaid (health insurance) and Social Security (’retirement insurance’) that you cannot opt out of. All working Americans pay these taxes. If the constitutionality of this one health care reform provision is questioned then one by default questions the constitutionality of Social Security and Medicare. Are conservatives honestly willing to dismantle all of these programs?

Of the 30 most economically advanced nations on earth we are the 28th most taxed. Check Forbes figures from 2009 if you don’t believe me. I won’t post a link because only a fool would follow a link posted on an Internet message board…but it’s easy enough to Google it.

We are not taxed to death. That’s an illusion. And so far this legislation hasn’t clearly constituted a tax increase on any of us.

By the way….federal law requires a hospital emergency room to provide life saving treatment to all who seek it regardless of ability to pay. If you can’t pay, we all pay for you as a community. That’s never been questioned constitutionally either.

And when everyone starts posting amendments….why don’t they include the sixth amendment? You may have heard of it…a little number known in legal circles as the “supremacy clause”.

I don’t know if this legislation will wind up good or bad for the country. I suspect good, but it will take years to fully understand it’s ramifications. What I don’t believe is that a constitutional challenge to this law has a leg to stand on. And, so that we’re clear, even if this challenge were to succeed the only part of the law to be struck down by it would be the mandatory insurance clause.

Which doesn’t have an enforcement mechanism tied to it anyway. So by all means….don’t buy health insurance.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:07 pm

@Dawgs88…

YEEEEHAWWWW…..Git-er-dun….

Pathetic….

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:07 pm

He just lost my vote.

Charge it

March 24th, 2010
3:08 pm

Stock prices of insurance companies are going up. I guess they don’t understand they have to pay for all our medical care. We really pulled the wool over their eyes.
Next year I will get my first colonoscopy. Can’t wait to see what they shove up my rear.

Patrick

March 24th, 2010
3:08 pm

@ThrashFanMax, Thank you for the thoughtful and informed responses, as a conservative independent, I largely echo your sentiments. I won’t bother mentioning where I disagree as what is far more important is the infringement on our ability to pursue our own destiny. We are drowning in bureaucracy at all levels of government. I am truly disheartened as a veteran as our government methodically destroys my liberties.

To everyone out there who thinks this health care reform bill is good government, can you please provide a positive historical example of the socialist state be it Nazi, Fascist, Communist, et al.? Social theory, much like liberalism, always devolves into elitist suppression of civil liberty. That is exactly the agenda of Barack Obama. As he infamously said, I guess I’m just a gun clinging religious fanatic.

Dawgs88

March 24th, 2010
3:09 pm

Look who’s talking. You can’t even spell Git-R-Done right. Hahahahahahaha! Looks like all your mommy and daddy’s pampering really paid off lol. Walk down through a black neighborhood, like Reynoldstown, late and night and see how “liberal” and understanding they are of you not being black. Bet that’ll give you a wake up call.

jack

March 24th, 2010
3:10 pm

Before the Health Care bill passed, if you had individual or small group health insurance, had paid for it for 20 years, and then had the temerity to get sick, the insurance company could simply cancel your policy instead of paying benefits. And you had no recourse. And the insurance companies have done this thousands of times.

Did you also know that the insurance industry is the only industry that can collude and fix prices for health care? This means that the “magic of the market place” can’t work.

So all you people that are so in love with the insurance companies that have been taking advantage of us for years…. are you unable to process information with your brain?

Tommy Lee Maddox

March 24th, 2010
3:11 pm

We are so doomed.

Kristen

March 24th, 2010
3:12 pm

Is anyone surprised by this? Ugh, why the hell did I ever leave Texas?

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:13 pm

@Dawgs88 said…

My father is my Uncle Sam and my mother is my Aunt Sue who was married to my brother Tom. My wife is my cousin Sally and she is my brother Tom’s daughter…we keep it all in the family….

Again we can tell…..

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:13 pm

Ok, let’s look at a few things:

Tort reform in GA-DEAD; Malpractice premiums are going up. Obama and company didn’t have the guts to take on the lawyers.

Reimbursements for physicians- Dropping; Obama and company made no provisions for any standard of reimbursement for the people that will actually treat all of the uninsured.

Health Care Premiums- Going to skyrocket; Does anyone in their right mind think that if a private company has to provide healthcare to those with pre-existing conditions or uncapped benefits that the premium pricing won’t go up?

If half of the people on this board would just simply look at the reality of this law, they would see the fiscal disaster that has been created.

Here’s an idea- Get over your ideology for a brief second and ask yourself what will REALLY happen.

This law verges on fraud. The way it was sold to the American people was mularkey as well.

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Master Degree, you actually proved my point. To answer your question, everyone that pays taxes and for health insurance does. This “free” care has been a large part of why medical services are so expensive now, making up for lost revenue to the freebies.

People complain about the cost of health care, yet seem to not want to do anything about it.

What is do hard to understand a budget is a budget. Income is income, outflow is outflow. Nationally we spend more than we make. In Georgia we do not.

What is so hard to understand why this is wrong on so many levels. This law says insurance companies MUST eliminate pre-existing conditions, eliminate lifetime limits, and not allow a company to relieve itself of a bad investment (the terminally ill). It does not however state these insurance companies cannot adjust premiums to pay for these additional expenses. And they will.

Even if they did set a limit on premiums, and insurance companies could not profit, they go away. That leaves us with the Government. They will pay for it. Who is they? Won’t the government need to balance inflow vs outflow just like the insurance companies? What will they do next, tell the medical profession how much they can charge. Who then will want to be a doctor. So what next? I guess the government could select individuals to become doctors so we had people to treat our sick. I don’t like where this is going. Not at all. And I don’t have a Masters.

Some People are Stupid

March 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

DAWGS88
1. It on 37.2%
2. White makes up 38%.
37% of 22 million-8 million
38% of 221million- 83,980,000 million..

Which number looks better.
SS is a form of welfare by the way.

Dan

March 24th, 2010
3:14 pm

Actually, Lucy, your premiums WILL go up. When the insurance companies are required to pay out even more for medical costs witout raising premiums, and being required to accept people with pre-existing conditions (and the high medical costs that accompany it), all while keeping rates the same, they are going to have to bring in money somewhere to cover the increased debt load they are taking on….and that’s by increasing yours and my premiums!

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:16 pm

After reading some many comments on this blog, I weep for this country.

The overwhelming majority of the bloggers here have absolutley NO IDEA how health insurance REALLY AND TRULY works. In fact, most are mind-numbingly mis-informed.

I am among the first to state that health insurance reform was needed, but it could be done by private industry and not cost $1.0 Trillion dollars.

Reading these comments, so many of you are merely regurgitating the “dis-information” that is being promulgated by the media.

I have only read 2-3 comments that reflect the FACTS about health insurance, and the facts about this healthcare bill.

Nancy & ALL other women, especially those who themselves have sufferd from breast cancer or know someone who has suffered with breast cancer, I have family and friends who have suffered from breat cancer also. Its a blessing to be alive. If you were in another country, even Canada, the odds of your survival would have been much less.

What would have been your odds of survial, if you had been told you had to wait 6-9 months……OR LONGER……for a treatment and/or surgery, like is common in Canada, UK, and the rest of the “civilized world?”

I have been in situatons where i have LITERALLY BEGGED applicants to get SOME kind of very affordable health insurance for a friend’s personal health protection, only to be turned away, because that person didnt want to have to spend the money on “that” when they could spend it on a better care, bigger SUV, boat, cigarettes, beer, Bulldog tix, Falcons tix……and the list goes on and on.

After having ACTUALLY reviewed BOTH the new Employer mandates and 1800 of the 2400 pages of the ACTUAL LEGISLATION (something few on this blog have ACTAULLY DONE), I can guarantee you two iron-clad conclusions:

1. There are going the be MASSIVE MASSIVE job layoffs in the months ahead by Employers with 100 or less Employees.

2. The costs of health insurance premiums are going to EXPLODE.

C

March 24th, 2010
3:16 pm

This action is solely in benefit of the HMOs. They can’t miss out on GAs portion of their additional 32 million new customers. Don’t think these companies haven’t used capital to prepare for the passage of a bill that they lobbied for. Don’t think that WALL STREET will stand to see their bottom line threatened.

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:16 pm

Well, citizens of Georgia, Baker has spoken. Now, let’s show him how much we support his decision and vote him right out the door. Obama’s healthcare plan is unconstitional and will run this country right into the ground at a time when the states are broke and the federal government is broke (a scenario so many of our pathetic citizens are familiar with – they are broke and just keep on spending so that fiscally responsible citizens like me can bail them out). If we don’t turn it around this fall, it’s over folks. Everything you love about America is over. Government now wants to control the people in every aspect of their lives. You don’t have to look too far to see what that scenario looks like. It ain’t pretty. Rise up patriots and defenders of the Constitution. We are in for the fight of our life (and our country) from the Marxists who want to radically change it. It’s not a time to be quiet.

GA is Full of Idiots

March 24th, 2010
3:17 pm

The Atty. General Baker went to law school & he did what is best for the STATE. Whether he wins the election or not at least he can say he was his own man & did not let others think for him. Where is the outrage about the Iraqi war that we should not be in & has cost the country Trillions. Bush was an idiot that put this country in a mess that our children’s children will not be able to get this country out of. He also had the entire world hating the US. and you idiots have the nerve to talk bad about President Obama. GET A LIFE!!! I have had health insurance for almost 30 yrs & I don’t want the insurance company maxing me out if I have a terminal illness. Maybe if that happens to some of you idiots your chain of thoughts will change.

Vanessa

March 24th, 2010
3:18 pm

Well said Gene, I couldn’t agree more. I am so outraged by everything, I don’t know even what to say anymore.

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
3:18 pm

Health Insurance Professional – I am with ya. Well said.

Al

March 24th, 2010
3:18 pm

Hey KC, Who do you think is going to pay for all these employee’s to get this insurance the government is now requiring us to have? Trust me it will not be the companies doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Those costs will be passed directly to the customers. You don’t have to call it a tax if you don’t want to. But for me, if it walks like and duck and talks like a duck… it sure isn’t a goose.

KC

March 24th, 2010
3:19 pm

Georgia Boy….did you actually just refer to canceling the policy of a terminally ill AMERICAN as “getting rid of a bad investment”? Who the HELL are you? You are an animal and I hope like hell you have not bread any more maggots such as yourself. How dare you dismiss the life of a fellow American that way.

I would like to go back in time to my military service and make sure I get a waiver from protecting the likes of you. Disagree with politics all you want…but to blithely dismiss a human beings life as a if it were stock in WebVan? You are an animal, sir. You are an animal. And anyone who agrees with you is a damned soul as well.

Have a great day everyone else.

Lynn

March 24th, 2010
3:19 pm

DAWGS88 – I can tell you also had a home grown education from somewhere in BubbaF^&* Georgia. The reason why Africa is poor is because of your ancestors greed. ITs called Colonialization- each European country took a piece and drained it of her natural and human resources. I know your not a representative of intelligence and only of the new KKK. We are ruining this country- really the last I counted it was 42 to 1. 42 White Presidents to 1 Black. The math doesnt equal out if you are using race as a means for your arguement. Anyway if you read the other comments this has nothing to do with race but everything to do with our rights whether we agree or not.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:19 pm

I’m not one to put much faith in the gov’t but I also don’t put much faith in the private sector either(See Banking)

Jamie

March 24th, 2010
3:21 pm

To everyone complaining about the requirement to have medical insurance or be fined, how do you justify every state requiring home insurance and car insurance. It’s the same thing. If we’re going to fight against health care requirements, we need to fight against auto and home insurance. We all use those far less than the health insurance.

Bill

March 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker. You understand the law; the U.S. Constitution; and for once Georgia will not look like a jackass. We need to spend our time and money on other things than a lawsuit with no merit.

Olderandwiser49

March 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

I didn’t watch the actual signing of the healthcare bill (didn’t want to lose my dinner). Can someone tell me, did Obama sign the bill with red ink or with taxpayer’s blood? Either would be appropriate, of course….

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

To Nancy and Evry Women out her ein cyberspace, or others here with sisters, wives, etc.,
be sur eyou see this video of the negattive impact this reform will make towards breast cancer research, care, and treatment:

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc

Lastly, have ANY ONE OF YOU…EVER ACTUALLY READ THE US CONSTITUTION…
or did that interupt your viewing of Desparate Housewives, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, or Monday Night Football ????????

john

March 24th, 2010
3:22 pm

A white slave owner could feed his black man well, send his slave out hunting with a rifle, and to the local store while he kept his family hostage, and kept him ignorant about the word of God and how to read.

Then when the slave still tried to escape, the slave owner beat him and said “Look at all I have given you, you ungrateful heathen”.

To be a free citizen Frederick Douglass had white Christian brothers that bought his freedom for a one time fee of $710.96.

Under SOCIALIST Obama Care, us slaves to the government have to buy our freedom every month, under the IRS’s tyrannical thumb or be jailed.

Throw Attorney General Thurbert Baker out of the state, we don’t need another slave master or his quisling.

The Chicago Way

March 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

Checkmate losers!!! Republicans thought they had my man cornered. Not only did he pass the most significant piece of legislation in years, but he put the repubs and teabaggers in the position of siding with insurance companies to drop you from your coverage when you get sick and denying you insurance due to a preexisting condition. Its chess, not checkers haters. Repeal the bill! Go for it! Watch the democrats pick up more seats once the dust settles.

C

March 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

The health care industry is the last legalized & unregulated monopoly. Why are people so against reform?? Look at the profit these companies make!! For freakin insurance!

Avery

March 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

Health Insurance Professional: I realized you have a vested stake because this is your job, but the economics of health insurance markets are fundamentally flawed. In a purely free, unregulated market, health insurance markets would collapse by themselves.

WPWW

March 24th, 2010
3:23 pm

Baker’s another “Demoncrap” stooge buttering up to “Bacrock Obummer” (traitor in “cheif”). I’m not fan of phoney (neo)”conservative” Perdue, but the GOP needs to pull out all the stops to stop socialized medicine (& NOT just window dressing).

http://www.anunews.net

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:25 pm

GeorgiaBoy….what you fail to understand. Healthcare was originally set up for just that… Healthcare as a non profit. Nowadays, its for profit.

If these companies could focus on paying claims instead of paying shareholders then this would eliminate part of the problem.

Laura

March 24th, 2010
3:25 pm

ThrashFanMax – disturbing to know that there is anyone out there that scores as high on the DSM IV narcissistic disorder chart as you do – not everything is about you and your family. If you want to live in a closed society, save money from that job you’re lucky enough to have (you could just as easily be unemployed again like about 12 percent of Americans are through no fault of their own), buy a desert island somewhere and run your own country. You’ll find out in a big hurry just how “easy” isolationism is then. You can’t produce everything you’ll need to live or make life enjoyable by yourself. Even the Amish, who shun modern conveniences and technology help each other raise barns, tend their sick and educate their children. Socialists, you say? Hmmmm…they never ask for a handout – they just lend a hand to each other. Imagine that. Compassion and community in the age of “me and mine first”. Health Care Professional – thank you for reaffirming my belief that people like you and the companies you work for are the biggest thieves in America along with banks, finance and pharmaceutical companies. Anything to make a buck at the expense of your insureds, who pay thousands a year for health insurance (my coverage and out of pocket expenses was over $15,000 last year and no one in my family ever went near a hospital), only to be told half the time that a procedure or medication that an experienced, competent physician (sometimes even two or three) has said is needed won’t be paid for because it’s not on the list of exclusions that make the exclusions list at a Macy’s One Day Sale look short by comparison. If what happened to AIG isn’t enough to make your industry have nightmares, it should be. It can and will happen to health care insurers too. Just keep raising premiums and decreasing services and pretty soon, doctors and patients will be leaving in droves and someone WILL come up with a better solution that won’t include you and the industry you work for. If you ever have cancer, or some other long term disease (God forbid – I wouldn’t wish that on anyone), I hope a risk manager that doesn’t have an M.D. hanging on his/her wall isn’t making medical decisions for you and your physician based on whether or not they think you are worth the money to have the necessary procedures that could save your life. Of course, since you’re in the business, you probably have connections, so it probably isn’t worrying you much.

KC

March 24th, 2010
3:26 pm

Al…you ALREADY pay for your health insurance. But if it’s employee sponsored you only pay a fraction. I pay about $3000 a year for mine. My company pays another $9000 or so. That’s a CODB for a large American company. Health insurance premiums are rocketing out of control and this legislation will neither accelerate nor decelerate that phenomenon. We’re doomed to grinding ourselves into financial dust by the weight of our healthcare industry. However that fate was upon us before this law was passed. Now, at least, while we wait for the rising tide of health costs to sink us all everyone will have some legal protections to at least enjoy the healthcare that’s bankrupting us.

Also…if the “Free-Market” exists…doesn’t anyone think an additional 32M policies will offset the extra expense incurred from not being able to deny policies or set lifetime caps? It might, it might not. But to say flat out that long term this bill will definitely reset healthcare costs higher is not supported by anything other than supposition. The same goes for stating it will reset them lower.

I said in my post I don’t know if this is good legislation. I still suspect it will be, but only time will tell.

Have a great day everyone.

Remember The Time

March 24th, 2010
3:26 pm

Does anybody know if Bush/Cheney found Weapons Of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Do anyone remember WHY the U.S. went to war in the first place? Better yet….Does anyone remember any lawsuits being filed against BUSH? Go Figure.

Charge it

March 24th, 2010
3:26 pm

16,000 more IRS Nazis to watch over me. Thanks Obama.
What’s the past tense for Freedom?

Avery

March 24th, 2010
3:27 pm

Laura’s hint at the disconnect between risk management and the medical profession starts to get at the heart of the problem.

Gman

March 24th, 2010
3:27 pm

Sonny did this for one purpose, to distract the rednecks of Georgia from focusing on the cuts in education, transportation, and services. And you inbreds are falling for it! LMAO

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

Thank you so much for posting this:
After having ACTUALLY reviewed BOTH the new Employer mandates and 1800 of the 2400 pages of the ACTUAL LEGISLATION (something few on this blog have ACTAULLY DONE), I can guarantee you two iron-clad conclusions:

1. There are going the be MASSIVE MASSIVE job layoffs in the months ahead by Employers with 100 or less Employees.

2. The costs of health insurance premiums are going to EXPLODE.”

Too Easy

March 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

I get the feeling that the Democrats are happier about their win than they are about the substance of this lousy bill. Of course, they probably don’t understand the substance of what they just voted in.

KC

March 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

John….there are NO criminal penalties in the health bill. Only fines for not purchasing insurance starting in 2014. And NO mechanism for collecting them. Not the IRS, not the FBI….nothing. So, really, there is nothing there. That part of the legislation is some bark, no bite.

Read the legislation. Be upset about what’s in it, not about things that exist only in the minds of some.

C

March 24th, 2010
3:28 pm

Another Health Insurance Professional:

Another Health Insurance Professional:

If you actually read the bill then you can cite some references to back up your statements

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:29 pm

IMO, the people on here who are referring to whites as rednecks, bubbas, etc…
That is reverse racism!!!!!!!!!!!!

Denise

March 24th, 2010
3:30 pm

I will vote for Max Wood for AG and will not vote for Baker for anything! My husband is a very small business owner who can barely afford to pay bills as it is. Now he has to provide insurance for his employee(s). This bill is W*R*O*N*G!!!! for America. “O” and the rest of the RATS in DC don’t seem to realize that this may very well put a lot of small businesses (like my husbands) out of business with having to purchase insurance for his employee(s) AND pay higher taxes on top of that. But then again, they don’t care as long as they turn this country into a socialistic government.

Aaron G.

March 24th, 2010
3:30 pm

Brother Thurman now joins the rest of the shuffling lapdogs in the Democratic (oxymoron) party and “can’t see a viable reason…” Of course, not! He a Democrat and he don’t want to mess up the Demo party in GA. If this clown becomes governor, I’ll post an address where you can buy a house cheap, and give you my address in Australia.
AGS

The Chicago Way

March 24th, 2010
3:30 pm

Its chess, not checkers and you republicans got played yet again. Go ahead and repeal the law that doesn’t allow insurance companies to discriminate due to preexisting conditions or drop you from coverage when you get sick. They couldn’t even say there are some good things in the bill, just they wouldn’t repeal all of it. Keep doing what you’re doing!

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:31 pm

C.- you seriously don’t realize that is what is going to happen? Employers will no longer be able to afford insurance premiums or face the fines for not being able to….so they will lay people off. Duh!!!

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:31 pm

What will change is that those who can afford to will seek medical care in another country (just like the Canadians and Europeans have done by coming here for quality care). My son has been considering going to medical school. I have encouraged him to seek another calling because being a doctor going forward will be just like working for the Government (none of my doctor friends have encouraged him to go into medicine). God forbid he should have to work for any Government. We see the quality of their work all around us – Post Office, Social Security, IRS, Medicaid, Medicare. All broke. Don’t think I want to hook up with them and I don’t want him to either! Entrepreneurs and small business people will be welcomed somewhere. The laws of our land now discourage private enterprise and entrepreneurialism. This is the plan of the progressives (Dems) in this country. We must not let them prevail. Onward.

Rollo Tomasi

March 24th, 2010
3:31 pm

ThrashFanMax- “you need to read those again as well because they applied to the ability of the country to raise money for the protection of the COUNTRY and provide for a national defense…..please read your constitution carefully.” I have, as well as the Bill of Rights, that is why I also added the Supreme court cases, which apply to the supposed “10th ammedment argument” which, these cases by the way, have nothing to do with “raise money for the protection of the COUNTRY and provide for a national defense” but are directly tied to the Supreme court interpertation of the 10th amendment. Plus, I was only wanting people to see why the AG made the choice he did and what recourse the Fed. could use to enforce the law.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:32 pm

I just heard an explanation to get around the mandate in court. They are representing the health care cost as a tax, with a credit offset for how much you pay for private insurance. Sort of like how you get a deduction for home interest, this is being represented as a dollar for dollar credit. The constitution gives them the ability to tax.

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:32 pm

World War II was our parents’ challenge – where they earned being known as “The Greatest Generation.” This is ours folks and we must fight to save our country from those who wish to destroy it. Get involved!

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:33 pm

C: Got a news flash for you. It was the Health Insurance industry that WROTE THE LEGISLATION.

Again, the majority of you folks dont know what-in-the-Hell you’re talking about?

Avery: Long before HMO and Managed Care arrived in the late 1960s, every single person in this country bought there OWN health insurance. They didnt get it from their Employer, and it was a Hell of lot less expensive.

Yes I’m connected the industry, but I am among the VERY FEW who argue for
a return to the days when your health isurance DID NOT depend on your employment.

Get some FACTS before your next post.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:33 pm

Denise- how many employees does he have, sounds like you probably have less than 50 and don’t have to provide insurance

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:34 pm

and barely making bills doesn’t sound like a 250,000 income

Ya'll Scare ME!

March 24th, 2010
3:34 pm

Some of these comments are so racist. WOW! Can’t you see that in 2010 racism still exists because of political partisan? This is definitely not the United States but the just the 50 States….no unity in anything. Politics really divide people, make them angry, greedy, and selfish.

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:36 pm

I am ready to secede and I’ve heard others talking about this. There are plenty of states opposed to what the Federal government is doing to us.

LBlanks

March 24th, 2010
3:37 pm

So AG Baker believes the Constitution allows for the government to mandate American Citizens to purchase something or else be fined or jailed…. hmmmm and he wants to be Georgia’s Governor?
He’d better brush up on the Constitution first.

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:37 pm

What our first black President is DOING TO US may account for renewed racism.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:38 pm

Avery, once again, I’m not talking about a mythalogical world. I’m talking about the world that we live in today. TOO EASY summed it up perfectly: I get the feeling that the Democrats are happier about their win than they are about the substance of this lousy bill.

Let’s see how everyone feels come insurance renewal time. Actuarial tables are being re-written, underwriters are re-evaluating every policy on the books. Insurance companies answer to their stockholders. Stockholders want profits.

Rates will skyrocket in order to meet these new mandates. End of story.

Penny

March 24th, 2010
3:39 pm

And I expect some backlash against women because of Nancy Pelosi’s actions. To me she is the biggest buffoon I’ve ever seen and I have no idea how she EVER became Speaker. She is simply not right (did you see her speech the other night – I think she’s on some serious meds).

SMDH

March 24th, 2010
3:40 pm

Doesn’t the LAW require everyone one of us vehicle owners to own at least liability insurance for our cars? WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:42 pm

RATES WILL SKYROCKET, MASSIVE LAYOFFS, HAVE A POLICY OR BE FINED/JAIL,
why, oh why, are the DEMOCRATS SO HAPPY??
BLIND and FOOLISH!!!

Too Easy

March 24th, 2010
3:42 pm

SMDH: Driving is not a right. It’s a privilege. Liability insurance protects the other driver from your lack of ability to handle the privilege.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:43 pm

SMDH:

Are your REQUIRED by Law…to buy a car ??

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:43 pm

SMDH…apples and oranges….Driving is a privilige…no one if forced to buy a car, thus everyone is not forced to have health insurance, as in this case…

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:43 pm

16,500 agents at a cost of $10 bil/year will enforce the new health care bill – they will deduct tax returns and fine $2250 for those who haven’t purchased 12 months of health insurance each year. How do you add IRS agents and call that health reform? Also, why would you take health advice from a President who smokes?

oldmanrickey

March 24th, 2010
3:44 pm

If this healthcare bill is so good for the people. Why do we not get the same healthcare as all fereral employees. It would not take four years to start that plan, it’s already there. With thirty five million more people on it, it would lower the price for all of us and it could save us money. The people that work for the federal goverment do not make any money for the country. we pay every penny of their expence. If their policys cost less, we would have to pay them less. If this is suposed to be good for us demand we get the same or they have to join the plan they are going to shove up out behinds.There is not one person that reads this can disagree with me. if you do you are just wanting something for nothing that someone else has worked for. And yes we do have a right to chose what we do with our life.

Rollo Tomasi

March 24th, 2010
3:44 pm

Hey DCGuy, the lawyer. Thank you for your statment about why the lawsuit will fail. I was going more for the “try to get the people to think find thier own conculsion” but your way works better. That’s what I get for adjunct professoring(is that a word?). Now, get back to billing hours.
;-)

Tired of hypocrisy

March 24th, 2010
3:45 pm

Why is that some people have a problem with being told they must have health insurance, but don’t have a problem with being told they have to have car insurance in Georgia? Why should I have to pay full coverage or any insurance for that matter? You people are bunch of hypocrits. Let’s file a suit against the Georgia legislators for forcing the people of Georgia to have car insurance. Find something else to do will you…Thanks, Baker.

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:46 pm

Oh yeah, Obama is a SMOKER…Don’t even get me started on how the 10% tan on TANNING is racist and hypocritical.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:46 pm

Pat- You are just making up numbers. Someone on a prior post posted the fine. Come on now.

OldmanRickey- You will in 2014. They are on the exchange. And i’m not sure if you noticed but government employees do get paid less. Ask anyone.

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:46 pm

The tanning tax is included as a way to fund this healthcare and goes into effect July 1, 2010.

soulfinger

March 24th, 2010
3:47 pm

@ Tired of Hypcrisy…U HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD!

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:48 pm

@Penny wrote:

“What our first black President is DOING TO US may account for renewed racism.”

Penny..the last time I checked…the US that you are referring to…includes: Blacks, Asian, Hispanics, Whites, Browns…etc.

Obamas plan affects us all.

So why would there be renewed racism when we are all getting hit with his plan?

So if Obama was white and names Simmons and passed this plan, I guess there would not be any renewed racism…right?

Too Easy

March 24th, 2010
3:48 pm

Rollo: You should’ve been more concerned about whether ’statment’, ‘thier’ and ‘conculsion’ are words. But, no, ‘professoring’ doesn’t make the cut, either.

Pam

March 24th, 2010
3:48 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker for having class and not following suit with the rest of the politicians who yet and still keep bending over and taking it from the insurance companies. And don’t listen to these idiots about any upcoming elections. They didn’t vote for you in the first place.

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

Google it. The number are anywhere from 12,000 + to 16,000. At any rate, you and me will have to pay for it. How can we afford this? Schools are closing and some how are can afford this? Explain?

EJ

March 24th, 2010
3:49 pm

We no longer need 50 states if the Feds are going to tell each and every one of us how to run our lives.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article7537.html

Sorry, but I am not here for YOUR benefit. I am not responsible for your housing, your food, your children, your education, or the medical procedures and drugs you need to take. You are.

I did not save and sacrifice to one day have the government take it from me to give to you who partied, drank, smoked and spent all you had and then some. Tough. Suck it up. You were warned. Don’t steal from me for your bad decisions.

And for all of those that say we are, open your own wallets first until you are bankrupt, before you use the force of government to bankrupt the rest of us.

For those that do not know the definition, Marxism is when government spells out how privately owned businesses will operate. This HCR is Marxist, whether or not you want to admit to it.

It came from a man, educated by Marxist, embracing Marxism, and is now the President of the United States. It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with ideology. So step away from the ignorant smears of why people are against this.

And if you think that this country has not done unconstitutional things in the past, think again. They do so every day. Why? Because we have been letting them get away with it.

I would have opened my wallet and probably given more to those in need than the government has taken from me. But now it is by force and not by my choice. So in the end, you are ending up with less. And as you destroy the economic engine, you will learn what Less than Zero really means.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article7530.html

Justice

March 24th, 2010
3:50 pm

If Obama’s health care plan is go great, why is the Congress and the Executive branch (Obama) excluded from its coverage? Becuase they know it sucks – that’s why.

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:51 pm

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:53 pm

From CBSnews.com:

Paying for the Plan:

Medicare Payroll tax on investment income — Starting in 2012, the Medicare Payroll Tax will be expanded to include unearned income. That will be a 3.8 percent tax on investment income for families making more than $250,000 per year ($200,000 for individuals).
Excise Tax — Beginning in 2018, insurance companies will pay a 40 percent excise tax on so-called “Cadillac” high-end insurance plans worth over $27,500 for families ($10,200 for individuals). Dental and vision plans are exempt and will not be counted in the total cost of a family’s plan.
TANNING TAX — 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services.

Tell me if that is not showing prejudice against PALE PEOPLE….?????

Miseducated Americans

March 24th, 2010
3:53 pm

The bill does not force anyone to buy insurance. If you already have it, fine. Keep what you have. If you dont have insurance, you can obtain for very cheap insurance overseen by the same agency that provides it for Congress. There will be a pool of funds (from increase taxes on the very rich) that will supplement the cost. If you dont have it and you are too poor to afford it, you dont have to pay the fine.

What is the problem????

Is it the fact that Obama, a black man, passed it in his first term and the Republicans didnt even try when they were in control. (Yes I threw the race card because the Tea Party is now spitting on and calling black politicians the N word.)

Obama built his entire campaign on universal health care and got it passed. A man who lives up to his word. Wow.

The people with the biggest problem to universal health care, already have health care and dont want everyone to have it. Not fair.

I appreciate Baker standing up to Purdue and doing what is right, and not making Georgia look like fools.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:53 pm

Pat- I was talking about the fine number

GA Redneck

March 24th, 2010
3:53 pm

This is the change that you idiots who voted for Barrack Hussien Obama asked for! Maybe Baker can get a job with the Chicago Mafia in the white House. Obama is nothing but a Socialist commie! He hates America and his wife has a chip on her shoulder! He has done nothing but devided America by playing the race card everytime you turn around. I’m sick of it! I say impeach this non-American president who is hell bent on destroying America!!!!

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
3:54 pm

Anyone else remember the $$Billions in Tobacco settlement money…that was supposed to go to help make health insurance more affordbale in this state?

Oh yeh, thats right, the State spent it all on things like, you know, roads, bridges, budget holes in other areas of the State.

KD

March 24th, 2010
3:55 pm

Miseducated American-

OMG, Obama is not black…he is 50% white…Hands off, we can claim him too.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:55 pm

@Pat…don’t be fooled…

There was a report last week on how we spend 476 million every 4 years to put dredge sand out of the ocean to put back on the shore in North Carolina. Its supposed to be seen as good thing because beaches promote tourism.

This report came out the same day Perdue and Cox flew to DC to beg for 460 million for education.

See our government can shell out money for what it wants but not for what is tuly needed.

Do we really know how much the gov has in its coffers? I think not.

Olderandwiser49

March 24th, 2010
3:55 pm

Before yet another person tries to compare this healthcare mandate to auto insurance, please read the Blog. This has been answered at least a dozen times!!

John Lloyd Scharf

March 24th, 2010
3:55 pm

This law is a violaton of the 10th Amendment, but it is also a violation of the 14th amendment wherein the Cornhusker Kickback exempts Nebraska’s citizens. It fails to give the rest of the nation equal privileges and immunities under the law.

Man

March 24th, 2010
3:56 pm

This shows how legit BAKER is. He’s had the office for years and all he wants to do is draw his paycheck.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:56 pm

GA Redneck-
There lies the problem. I have not once heard him say I’m doin this for a certain race. You seem to be the one concerned about race. And how is he not American, please don’t be one of those birther people.

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

Answer me one question. Who do you think will pay for all this?

NoBama

March 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

This bill will be trashed when Obama is not re-elected for his 2nd term…… I guess all of his supporters are still waiting for STIMULUS check…IDIOTS…haha.

BTW a tanning tax is racist, think about it only white folks lay in tanning beds!!

Eraserhead

March 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

Mr. Baker does not have enough sense to disagree with the annointed one. Come November, he’ll move to Washington and start working in the Justice Department.

Change in Georgia

March 24th, 2010
3:57 pm

Georgia is racist and i am so tire of these republicans blameing Obama for everything.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

John Lloyd- That’s why the kickback is being taken out. it’s not a violation of the tenth either.

Billy

March 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

Maybe we should just divide the United States call one the Republic of United States and the other the Democratic Federation of the United States and all the republicans can run theirs ship that way and the Demos do it their way.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

KD Wrote:

“Tell me if that is not showing prejudice against PALE PEOPLE….?????”

Are you saying that non pale people will not be affected. As if non pale people could not potentially fall within the scope of the numbers you posted?

Wow….your right….thats not racist…..

Al

March 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

KC yes I am already paying for my insurance, but now everytime I purchase a meal at a resturant, or buy grocieries from the grocery store, etc… I will be paying for everyone else’s insurance also. That is the part I am upset about. All of those employees will now have have to be provided insurance by the company, and I’m going to get stuck paying the bill for this goverment program. Is that not a tax?

Michael

March 24th, 2010
3:59 pm

Pat- The same people who pay for medicare and SS….

Patriot

March 24th, 2010
3:59 pm

citizens of today don’t seem to get it???

“We the people” hold these truths to be self evident ? Does anyone know what this is from? why are a select minority able to dictate what a vast majority of us find reprehensible and down right UN-American??? We work, We succeed, We pay our way and have done this since our inception as the great nation that we are but like Rome we are treading on waters that given the chance will consume and crush us…

Wake up people!!!

You should be ashamed if you think taking money from us that work somehow justifies you in having money given to you from our pay checks if you don’t work or have it !

85% percent of us work and have coverage but yet those that don’t work which is around 15% deserve money from the working class your friends and your family who work ???? not right!

To make it easier on you and the pan handlers that need so much from the government I ask where in the heck do you think they get the money? if educated they you will know they take it from us ??

so again how do you think negating the 85% of us that work and forcing us to pay justifies those ignorant and narrow minded Obamists to take money from us to pay for there irresponsible ways and yet call it “Great change we can believe in” BLAH BLAH BLAH ??

WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM “US” “U”nited “S”tates citizens and why -to pay for a few in comparison to many???

Obamaist are those who for what ever reason believe in speaker, a talker, and inspirational figure that is changing the make up of our country ?? not for the good!!! he is very much like someone else in history that caused a great deal of hype and change and belief in another way,but then the reality of his reign caused unbelievable destruction, turmoil and severe travesties that would impact the world and would forever change the face of the planet.

I don’t say this as someone freaking out but someone that is discouraged by what seems to be the slow and painful degradation of what made AMERICA great and what those who fought and died for
believed in which is the absolute pursuit of life liberty and taxation with representation but if we are not careful it will inch away and before we know it its gone and we ended up signing it away

educate yourselves with history and then when someone starts talking a lot and promising big things unbelievable things out of the ordinary things step back and look at history and ask how, why, in what way,and what will it cost and to whom does this burden go to??

C

March 24th, 2010
3:59 pm

Another Health Insurance Professional

HMOs lobbied hard for this bill – because they knew it was inevitable. I’m sure they wanted to have a some kind of say in how it would be done. This is about money, period, nothing more nothing less. I absolutely do not believe that a company such as wellpoint or aetna or cigna and whoever else has ever made any effort whatsoever to pass a cost savings on to the customer for any reason. These are the same people who cancel will your plan if you get a terminal illness, how is that conscionable? I don’t like how expensive this thing looks but legally denying people care after taking their money in good faith for years is WRONG. I think that you don’t know what the hell your talking about. Killing this bill so that we can “start over” as boehner said is total BS. Now that I can shop around for a plan if I’m so inclined, HMOs will be forced to compete. Not all 32 million uninsured are ($$$) ill. Maybe they will offset your salary reduction with better benefits?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/insurance-through-work

Pat

March 24th, 2010
3:59 pm

Yes, your taxes and my taxes.

Avery

March 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

Health Insurance Professional:

I agree. We are NOT talking about a mythological world. However, the world that many “free-marketers” live in assumes no frictions and no transactions costs and a world of rational geniuses. This world underlies the “small-government” mindset. Your claim that it is a myth only seeks to strengthen my point.

So let’s talk about the real world. Unregulated private insurance markets do not work. If they did, one would expect to see them exist in at least SOME “rich” nations. Yet the United States is the ONLY developed country without a public insurance provider. If not for the weird pools developed in WWII, we likely would have a public insurance provider as well. Again, I am sympathetic that your livelihood relies on this field, but I am only stating facts.

Steve

March 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

Thank you Mr Baker for not being an idiot like the majority of attorneys general in this country. Thank you for allowing georgians the ability to access this healthcare bill.

TMoney

March 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

oldmanrickey

If this healthcare bill is so good for the people. Why do we not get the same healthcare as all fereral employees. It would not take four years to start that plan, it’s already there. With thirty five million more people on it, it would lower the price for all of us and it could save us money. The people that work for the federal goverment do not make any money for the country. we pay every penny of their expence. If their policys cost less, we would have to pay them less. If this is suposed to be good for us demand we get the same or they have to join the plan they are going to shove up out behinds.There is not one person that reads this can disagree with me. if you do you are just wanting something for nothing that someone else has worked for. And yes we do have a right to chose what we do with our life.

The people that work for the government don’t make any money for this country? No, I guess technically speaking they don’t. But they do do things you aren’t willing to do. They go to other countries, get shot at, have people try to blow them up, train for months and years on end to defend this country. They deal with low life criminals who rape, steal, and kill to get what they want. They spend there days inspecting drugs, food, and water so that anything you consume is safe for your body. They spend there lives training so they can go to space to repair satellites and telescopes. They create guidelines for vehicles and repair roads, all to keep citizens safe. All that so you can sit at your computer or in your car or in McDonalds and complain about them. You have know idea what federal workers do for you everyday, don’t even pretend that you do.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:00 pm

Al- Huh?
Most grocery store workers are part time- no icrease or mandate for their employer to purchase insurance…same as restaurant….you my friend are reaching.

Greg

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Tanning tax…..

Oh you mean that bed that you get in and causes cancer. And then Healthcare must be used to help save people from cancer that could have been avoided.

Kinda like a cigarette tax.

Gee….I can understand that Tanning Tax.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Folks, we havent even gotten to the specifics on the ACTUAL details of the health coverage.

I have just one question:

Where in the Hell do you folks think all the $$Trillions of dollars
to pay for this are going to come from? Where? Businesses? So-called rich folks?

Businesses will do ALL in their ability to pass on higher insurance costs to their customers in the form of higher prices for goods & services.

And, the average business owner is now HEAVILY persuaded to start laying people off to jettison the burden of having to pay more health insurance or be exposed to all the new taxes, fees, and expnses he/she will have to incur.

You folks are simply crazy.

The Chicago Way

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

You all insinuate that driving is a privilege and should require insurance. So is health a right that shouldn’t require the same? Trying to understand your logic. Just honest debate.

By the way, every time someone shows up at Grady with no insurance, who foots the bill NOW?

Henry Native

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

IndependentTam I have done fact checks That AJC Has not.Let me give a few and there hole lot more but her just a couple.
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill There will Be Govt Committiee that decides what treatments/benefitts you get
Page 29 Line 4-26 in HC Bill Your Health care can be Rationed
Page 42 of HC Bill The Health Choices Commissioner will decide your HC Beneffits for you.
Page 58 of HC Bill Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a national ID Health card will be issued ( Papers Please )
Page 59 of HC Bill Lines 21-24: Govt will have dorect access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.(Time for more Cash and Carry )
Page 65 sec 164 Is a payoff subidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & Community organizations ( ACORN )
Do I need to post more.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:01 pm

Pat- and the problem with that is what. I pay for medicare and I don’t use it, as well as SS. Not really seeing your point.

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
4:02 pm

KC – I appreciate the kind words. Yes I did say it and it’s true. It may sound harsh but it is the truth. In business, a bad investment is one you lose money on. An insurance company is a business is it not? I am not saying insurance companies should make a habit of dropping those investments they lose on, but they should be able to balance the good with the bad. They have just been told they no longer can. Who will pay for this?

By the actions of society, we seem to think we have the right to extend our life my any means at anyone’s costs. 50 years ago, when an organ failed, you died. Now the medical industry just gives you another organ. Great technology but can everyone afford it? So I assume if the medical industry can find a way to keep us alive for ever, everyone is entitled to that whether they can afford it or not?

Understand, I want free medical coverage. I want a free house and car too. I just understand I can’t always have what I want.

Toccoa Reader

March 24th, 2010
4:02 pm

Thank you, Mr. Baker!!

hotlanta

March 24th, 2010
4:02 pm

Is Rush still here. I thought he was leaving. I bet he got sick and was one of the first one’s to use the health care bill when the verdict came down. Some of the main one’s who are against it is just talking smack. They will be the first one’s in line to use it. SHHHHH don’t tell nobody.

Avery

March 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

Another Health Insurance claims:

“Avery: Long before HMO and Managed Care arrived in the late 1960s, every single person in this country bought there OWN health insurance.”

Every single person? I’m going to guess you framed that statement incorrectly. Further, modern health insurance didn’t begin in the United States until 1929, and was only popular among groups of professions (which were often unionized and had bargaining power). Do you see a theme here?

TB

March 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

Baker will be the first I vote out.

Steve

March 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

Why are people acting like big babies about paying a few extra dollars in their paycheck to provide the general population healthcare? Get over it losers. Its not that big of a deal. I bet your lousy parents and grandparents are milking medicare dry without their own insurance so shutup.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

Oh, and speaking of layoffs…this bill will require business owners to offer and pay for the majority of hte health insurance coverage…for even their Part-Time employees.

So, guess what? All you nice folks with Part-Time jobs or work…kiss it goodbye.

oldmanrickey

March 24th, 2010
4:04 pm

KD you are wrong the Black master said so himself. and if you read the bill you will see it in there thirty times that all federal employees are exzempt from this bill. Read the damn bill and you will find all kinds of goodes in there, like if they decide you kids get sick to often =, they can raid your house without a warrent and take the kids, if you take to many percriptions(by their count) they can tell you what to take. Read the bill, nothing in the bill directly affects them. Read the bill. easy to find , just read all 2700 pages and you will see.

David H

March 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

Enter your comments here

stacey

March 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

why is it that when politicians and people disagreed with the 555 billion spending bill President Bush signed to fund the Iraq war those people were considered unamerican and traitors …. but now when President Obama signs a bill for Health Care and all these Republican leaders want to sue now its NOT considered unamerican or traitorous? I dont pretend to know everything about the health care bill and I also would have prefered an opt out included but I do know that now you can not be rejected by health insurance companies for pre-existing conditions so if you have cancer or are HIV positive and you switch jobs or lose a job and get a new job with new health care coverage they can no longer deny you health insurance and I think that is a very big deal! I would rather fund a bill to save peoples lives then to kill people as the bill for Iraq spending has.

Chris

March 24th, 2010
4:07 pm

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

dtboy

March 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

I’ll see how this plays out and then move the state that successfully fights this, if any. The states are suppose to delegate power the Federal government, not surrender it.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:08 pm

Dont Blame Me, I vote Libertarian.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:10 pm

Avery, I’m not claiming that any of this is a myth. I’m claiming YOU live in a mythalogical world. You are speaking in hypotheticals. Let’s simply talk about the REALITY of what will happen.

Simply answer this question. Who is going to pay for the 30+ million people coming aboard? It’s all of us. As said before, when your rates skyrocket thank your savior.

You can stick to your points all you want, but when your renewals come in to your company or you personally, you’ll see what we’re talking about.

Insurance companies answer to shareholders that expect profits. PRICE WILL EXPLODE. Insurance companies are the happiest group out there that the Democrats are forcing this down everyone’s throat. Once again this is the reality of what is happeing RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND.

Steve

March 24th, 2010
4:11 pm

Stacey: Your post is the best post i’ve read on this subject. Obama is helping AMERICANS and all people can do is whine and be selfish and complain about how much its going to cost them. What about that lousy, ineffective war you morons!!!!!

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:12 pm

Yea, I’m Libertarian too. The Democrats and the Republicans are both clueless…

oldmanrickey

March 24th, 2010
4:13 pm

T money I agree with you on one thing, Federal people do work, so does all the millions of people like me that work and pay taxes so we can pay their paychecks. They choise to be federal employees just like I chose to do what I do. So we are even on that aspect. They are no better than any other American that works and pays taxes, except if it were not for us , they would not have a job. We should have the same benifits they do, The very same benifits.

Blah

March 24th, 2010
4:14 pm

All of you that are thanking Baker are PATHETIC! The government is now forcing you to purchase health care…that isn’t right! You just want your free stuff and don’t care where it comes from.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:15 pm

I can tell people haven’t read the bill
1. States can opt out of the individual mandate beginning 2017_Sec.1332
2.Community Organization was wiped out in sec 10104
3.Small business can purchase cheaper plans on Exchanges to avoid penalties.

Where is this a government take over. I have the link if needed to the actual bill summary. It goes section by section…

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:15 pm

I can tell people haven’t read the bill
1. States can opt out of the individual mandate beginning 2017_Sec.1332
2.Community Organization was wiped out in sec 10104
3.Small business can purchase cheaper plans on Exchanges to avoid penalties.

Where is this a government take over. I have the link if needed to the actual bill summary. It goes section by section…

Hmm

March 24th, 2010
4:15 pm

Wow, I always wondered what type of people read the AJC. Now I know: A bunch of idiots. It seems like every political issue in the state of Georgia comes down to “race” . Move on, it is now 2010, hillbillies

TwittyB

March 24th, 2010
4:16 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker for using some common sense.

Charge it

March 24th, 2010
4:16 pm

Enter your comments here

JM

March 24th, 2010
4:17 pm

There is one simple concept of the Constitution that this law 100% violates.

EQUAL PROTECTION. This Health Care law allows the federal government to tax citizens in some states more than others and does not provide back equal benefits.

That is not right and is unconstitutional.

DCDawg

March 24th, 2010
4:19 pm

DC lawyer here again. It always amuses me when I see nonlawyers write about what they think the constitution means. John Lloyd Scharf wrote, “This law is a violaton (sic) of the 10th Amendment, but it is also a violation of the 14th amendment wherein the Cornhusker Kickback exempts Nebraska’s citizens. It fails to give the rest of the nation equal privileges and immunities under the law.”
Contrary to Mr. Scharf’s reading of the constitution, the 14th Amendment places NO limit on the power of Congress to enact legislation. In fact, the 14th Amendment applies only to state governments. The 14th Amendment provides, in pertinent part: “No STATE shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any STATE deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” (Emphasis supplied.) And every constitutional law scholar (and I consider myself one) agrees that the Tenth Amendment is really dormant; the Supreme Court has never interpreted the 10th Amendment to have any teeth or to give states any real power.

KID

March 24th, 2010
4:19 pm

Here’s his address, phone and fax:

Office of the Attorney General
40 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, Ga 30334

Phone:

(404) 656-3300

Fax:

(404) 657-8733

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:20 pm

Could somebody please tell me what the issue is? I’m assuming most of you have insurance so it can’t be about choice cause you get to keep your insurance. Probably most are employer based so no additional money will probably come out of your pockets. The HHS has discretion on rate increases so hard to justify a premium increase(in bill). You already pay for medicare and ss that most of you probably don’t use. Some of you do use it so you are already on the gov’t. So whats the real issue??

Jose

March 24th, 2010
4:20 pm

We do have some brains in the South. Education didn’t fail all of us in Georgia. Another GREAT DAY in the US.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:21 pm

Jm- Who is getting taxed more. The Cornhusker kickback involved 100% matching of medicaid funds.

Steve

March 24th, 2010
4:23 pm

For everybody against this bill, please dont sign up for medicare when you retire or become disabled. Please dont sign up for SSI if you need it. Please dont file for unemployment compensation if you become unemployed.

Unitetogether

March 24th, 2010
4:25 pm

Maybe Sonny needs to hold another sermon at the state’s capital to get some help. ha Can’t wait till he’s gone!

oldmanrickey

March 24th, 2010
4:26 pm

This all comes down to one thing. He has taken over the banks, the union owes him for their life, now he has your health in his back pocket, next he is going after you retirement. This country is in more danger now than it was durning the Cuban missile crisis on October27,1962. At least out president knew what the consutition stood for.

PMC

March 24th, 2010
4:26 pm

So forcing people to purchase insurance is an inherent power of the federal government?

Ok. Why not just throw out all liberties and freedom while we’re at it?

The principals the country was founded on are dead.

The Shark

March 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

Lucy
March 24th, 2010
12:58 pm

Thank God for Thurbert Baker! At last, a politician who is willing to lead and take care of our tax dollars.
And by the way, you people wanting to repeal the healthcare law, which of the following provisions would you repeal?
This law immediately prohibits insurance companies from excluding children from coverage for pre-existing conditions. Later it prohibits insurance companies from excluding adults or charging more for pre-existing conditions. It prohibits insurance companies from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. It eliminates lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits. It begins to close the “donut hole” on prescription drugs for senior citizens. It requires new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost sharing. It limits the out-of-pocket expenses your insurance company can make you pay. It extends coverage for young Americans, allowing them to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans up to their 26th birthday if they choose. It lets you comparison shop for a quality, affordable health plan through a new health insurance exchange or marketplace.
These provisions help everybody!
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Wrong. Children do not get coverage for almost 5 years. Read the bill.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

He doesn’t own the banks. He has exhibited no control and the majority of that money has been paid back with the exception of GMAC and AIG. Quit watchin fox and do some research.

Jo

March 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

Odd how some repugs think that its OK to NOT have to pay for health insurance but they accept car insurance…if the latter is legal, so is the former….

tech

March 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

health care is not a right. People have gone insane in this nation. And who the hell is this Baker guy? he seems like an idiot. has even ever read the Constitution. send this idiot back home’ he’s out of his league. all he wants to do is promote a Marxist welfare state seemingly like 97% of all african americans.. Very strange.

PMC

March 24th, 2010
4:30 pm

He is right though the cases will fail and be a waste of money. Liberty and Freedom are truely dead.

Beat Them at Their Own Game

March 24th, 2010
4:30 pm

Those who support AG Baker’s decision, call or fax his office to express your thanks. Do not let the opposition scare or silence us.

Here’s his address, phone and fax:

Office of the Attorney General
40 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, Ga 30334

Phone: (404) 656-3300 Fax: (404) 657-8733

Mysteriously, GA now has the revenue to engage in frivolous lawsuits. Where was this revenue when Stupid Purdue mandated teachers must take furloughs because of a budget shortfall?? What hypocrisy!

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:32 pm

The Shark-
What? Where do you see anything in his post about children besides the exclusion from pre-existing conditions which went into affect immediately. As well as the until 26 portion. All aspects of this bill are implemented by 2014. You might need to read the bill

Joyanna

March 24th, 2010
4:34 pm

First off GA Redneck, the US was in this mess for eight (8) years before Obama even ran for President. Our previous President has put the US in the situation it is in now, but because Obama can’t fix it in 4 weeks he’s criticized. Hunt down your prez and blame him

The Shark

March 24th, 2010
4:35 pm

Jo
March 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

Odd how some repugs think that its OK to NOT have to pay for health insurance but they accept car insurance…if the latter is legal, so is the former….
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Mandatory car insurance is for the safety of others, not the driver. The government does not mandate that you have FULL coverage, just liability so that you can properly compensate someone if the accident is your fault. They don’t make you insure your CD player or GPS system to protect you if your car is broken into. Your thought process in comparing mandatory liability car insurance to government health care makes my brain hurt and my soul weep. Wow.

Informed

March 24th, 2010
4:35 pm

“Tech” I am not sure which side wants to claim you but you shouldn’t even be on this message board if you don’t know who the State Attorney General is as it pertains to this subject. And I sure hope that your name does not imply that you are currently attending college or a college graduate because someone owes you a refund.

May you should sue someone.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:35 pm

Thank God that Obama’s not making everyone on this board buy Errors & Ommissions Insurance. I’d be a rich man…

A better idea would be for Obama make everyone get a gym membership so the fat as%es would actually get healthy.

TMoney

March 24th, 2010
4:35 pm

If anyone wants to actually read the health care bill and not just assume that what Faux News, Costa-Rica-Rush, and the Tea Baggers tell them is true, you can find it here.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h4872rh.txt.pdf

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Ok People, if you support the bill please quit making the car insurance reference. That is All!!

GiveMeABreak

March 24th, 2010
4:37 pm

I love all the people bashing Baker and saying he doesnt know what he is talking about. I mean he only has a Law degree from Emory and 13 years of experience now as the GA attorney general. Im sure all of you know better then him.

DCDawg

March 24th, 2010
4:39 pm

For God’s sake. Stop your caterwauling. “Liberty and Freedom are truely (sic) dead.”?? Americans still pay the lowest taxes of almost any industrialized nation. And there is no country on the face of this earth that recognizes individual liberties to the extent that the U.S. does, whether it’s the right to protest, freedom of speech, the right to carry guns, or the right to reproductive freedom. We’re even getting the right to smoke pot in some states. The sky is not falling, so just stop your caterwauling. Please.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

Avery, and all you other knuckleheads, simple exercise here:

1. Go ask your BOSS what he/she thinks.
Be sure to ask him what his/her reaction will be
when he/she sees there insurance costs double/triple?

2. Go ask your DOCTOR what he/she thinks.
Be sure to ask him/her what this will mean to THEIR income, their practice, their ability to continue to see you as a patient, and how many MONTHS will you soon have to wait to see them for care.

Go ahead. Go ask. And get back to us.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:44 pm

Amen— Another Health…

Big O

March 24th, 2010
4:44 pm

It is ashame that people dont care about other people. We are required to pay taxes and have Auto insurance but people dont want poor people to have coverage. We can spend billions on war and its kool. Baker did the right thing. Republicans dont care about this counry they only care about themselves. Oh yea, all blacks do not agree with every thing the President said just like all whites do not believe in Red Neck Sonny Purdue.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:47 pm

I’m starting to believe Another Health Insurance Professional is not really a health professional.

For 2. i need ask a doctor. He actually likes it. He said he gets to see a lot more patients now. Its about quantity he said.

For 1. Can’t really help with that. My boss is too high up. But for small businesses with more than 50 employees, all that is required is coverage of preventative treatment, with a credit of 35% to purchase and later 50% in 2014. So the gov’t pays half in 2014.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:48 pm

And I don’t understand why you wouldn’t like the bill anyway. it practically guarantees employment for you.

Deborah

March 24th, 2010
4:48 pm

Good job Mr. Baker. I support the health care bill and it has nothing to do with democrat or republican. I support all Americans having affordable healthcare even if it means I’ll end up paying more. Furthermore, I am very,very disappointed that the politicans couldn’t get on common ground when it came to healthcare. Sad, sad, sad. You reap what you sow and I am all about planting good seeds.

Duluth, GA

March 24th, 2010
4:49 pm

Dan Deacon, how about we all send you letters to protest your ignorance! Some of you people in this state are so selfish and it really shows. GET OVER IT! I believe Thurbert made the right decision. Obama is trying to Unite this country instead of allowing the greedy rich to have all of the special privileges.

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
4:49 pm

Lucy: You are wrong. It was reported today that the geniuses that wrote the legislation failed to include protections for children with pre-existing conditions. A mere oversight, they say. I guess we now understand Speaker Pelosi’s comment, “…we have to pass this bill so we can see what’s in it…” Or in the words of VP Biden (the “gaffe” that keeps on giving, “…this is a big %$^&# deal!” What a bunch of clowns.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:50 pm

When the Government puts a “gun” to my head as a taxpaayer, to make me pay for something that is: Available & Affordable for which SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many are ABLE but simply UNWILLING to pay for, then it isnt “Care” its Extorsion.

And, in this Country, its UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
4:51 pm

Michael, reimbursments are in the toilet. Ask ANY physician. They work for peanuts.

What happens when prices rise 35-50% in the meantime. Oh yea, I guess you didn’t think about that either…

Wake up people. This isn’t Candyland…

Die Hard Dem

March 24th, 2010
4:52 pm

Let’s some up the RepubliCANTS ideologies:

Spend trillions to keel awl thim eyeraquis and eyerainians and send are yung men and women to death, but hail no we ain’t spendin’ no dime to improov the health and wail-beeing of are citizens.

Ah’m tarred of this govment takeover and loosin’ mah freeduhms, but them gays shore as hail ain’t gittin mayrried and that there fluzy ain’t aboutta keel that yungin that man put in er.

We need ta stawp fundin’ public educaytion and impliment sum test to keep them ignants frum votin’ fur them wrong politeetians.

They’re not all this bad, I admit, but whenever I see a republican make a comment I can’t help but laugh.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:53 pm

Down in Albany- Protections such as what.
Eliminating Pre-Existing Condition Exclusions for Children. Bars health insurance companies from imposing pre-existing condition exclusions on children‟s coverage. Effective six months after enactment and applying to all employer plans and new plans in the individual market. (This provision will apply to all people in 2014).

Taken From Senate Bill

Mike

March 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

I guess these States Attorney Generals forgot to read this:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:

“ [The Congress shall have power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; ”

The Commerce Clause Power is often amplified by the Necessary and Proper Clause which states this Commerce Clause power, and all of the other enumerated powers, may be implemented by the power “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.” The Necessary and Proper Clause is the final clause of Article I, section 8. It must be noted, however, that the Constitution is more clear about the role of the Congress vis-a-vis interstate commerce in Article I, Section 9, Clauses 1, 5 and 6, though the interpretation of Section 8 and Section 9.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate commerce among the states. The Supreme Court has ruled that some issue is regarded as commerce. The Supremacy Clause states that federal law is the supreme law of the land period. If you recieved federal dollars.. you must apply by federal rules period. The courts will laugh at these lawsuit and find them “necessary and proper” to our way of life.

Babyboomer

March 24th, 2010
4:54 pm

rdh,native,typical PC,EJ, red neck and all other smart constitutional scholars. It seems Sonny asked the wrong guy( GA. AG). He should have asked you constitutional scholars.

Insured

March 24th, 2010
4:55 pm

Well, if what “Health Insurance Professional” says is truth, then I guess the public option is needed!!!

BTW, my insurance has gone up 20 percent a year for the last few years before this bill was even considered.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:56 pm

Health Insurance Professional- Reimbursements are in the toilet, but as a physician, what prices going up are you referring to. From my understanding from physicians is the reason cost are high for those on private insurance is the lag time between payments for medicare and medicaid.

Another Health Professional- The government making you pay for something that is available and affordable is unconstitutional. My guess is you already have insurance though. So what are they making YOU purchase?

SHEFFI23

March 24th, 2010
4:56 pm

VERY GOOD JOB MR. BAKER FOR STANDING FOR WHAT’S RIGHT;YOU GOT MY VOTE IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
4:58 pm

Mis-wrote that…meant to say Reimbursements are in the toilet(agreed)
But for physicians, what prices are going up. Physicians set there on price i thought, or is it set by the insurance company.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
5:00 pm

This conversation is banal. We all got duped and will now pay for it. The only way this helps is if you are homeless, jobless and just want some more hand outs from your mommy.

Have fun bickering about your fantasy world, and when your renewals come in, give me a call and I’ll see if I can help.
404-WeGotSuckered

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
5:00 pm

When the Government (that you means “Taxpayers” for all you Socialists)
pays 50% – 100% of the cost of your health insurance, you dont need a “public option.”

THAT……is the public option.

The dismal condition of the Public Education system seems to be on FULL display here today.

Damn.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:01 pm

So what is it when the government(taxpayers) pays you SSI.

The Shark

March 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

Die Hard Dem:

Your ignorance and vitriol is beyond petty; It’s bordering embarrassing to all humans. How many people do you really think feel that way? It’s not about taking care of the elderly, children, and poor. Perhaps, in your insightful way, you could explain to me what Medicare, Medicaid, or the S-CHIP programs were established to do? I’m sure that in your infinite wisdom you can find a way to call me a racist, homophobe, bible-thumper, war-monger, or uneducated (hint: I’m none of the above)… Because that gives you another way to avoid the real issues in this bill.

But go ahead and group anyone who disagrees with you as a lesser form of human. It shows your true intelligence.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

Michael:

Yes, I have health insurance.

Why should be REQUIRED to pay for someone else’s insurance
who is ABLE…..BUT UNWILLING to spend their own money to buy their OWN health insurance.

Cant tell me its not available & affordable…I know better.

Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

Michael, I suggest you talk to a physician about how it works. Oh, and his/her med malpractice insurance is about to sky rocket too as caps were just shot down.

Insurance rates have nothing to do with unconstitutionality. Are you serious or are you just conceding at this point.

Georgia Boy

March 24th, 2010
5:05 pm

Can those of you that support this law, please explain to me how we will pay for this? How will Georgia pay the additional medicaid expenses that the federal government has just now said they will pay?

How will employers react to additonal expenses laid upon them? Price hikes? Fewer employess? Cheaper product? How will the government that already spends more than they have be able to pay for this? New taxes? Dictated fees for services provided?

How does the government control the actions of a free private business?

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
5:06 pm

Deborah: Name one way, just one that this legislation will lead to lower healthcare costs. Insurance coverage was included, the COST side of things will stay the same or increase.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:06 pm

See that’s the misconception. It’s not free. Even the dirt poor don’t get it for free.They get medicare/caid. Everyone has to purchase it. Everyone has to pay. If you argue that it’s subsidized and that’s where your problem is we can agree on that, but those who can afford it, will be paying something. Do you have a problem subsidizing SSI, Medicare, S-Chip, TANF, WIC, Food Stamps,

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:07 pm

They actually put some of the tort reform proposals in the reconciliation bill.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:09 pm

Health Insurance- You said cost would go up, I was asking what cost. Who sets the cost to see the doctor?

EJ

March 24th, 2010
5:09 pm

You’re babyboomer,

You see the US Constitution is not complicated for a very specific reason. That was to make certain the citizens would never be subject to the political manipulations we have been subjected to.

Instead of adhering to it, we have seen those in power attempt to circumvent it. There are ways to change the Constitution. You want the right to Health Care guaranteed by the Constitution, amend it.

Very simple concept. Unlike what is delivered from DC today.

Ronald

March 24th, 2010
5:10 pm

*peeks head in*

Socialism — check. “Kool-Aid” — check. ” Random racist diatribes — check. They should have never given Georgians the internet.

@HealthInsuranceProfessional — Premiums are already skyrocketing, you moron — and not because of this bill.

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
5:11 pm

Michael: wrong! There is no language to protect the children. Additional orders will have to be passed to get that part in.

Another Health Insurance Professional

March 24th, 2010
5:12 pm

Michael, SSI is a EXCELLENT example.

Both SSI and Medicare are BROKE BROKE BROKE…
to the tune of TRILLIONS, yes TRILLIONS of dollars.

Dont you remember when David Walker, Comptroller General of the resigned in frustration after his nationwide tour where he warned EVERYONE THAT WOULD LISTEN that the US Governnment is BROKE and will NEVER be able to pay its obligations on SSI and Medicare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Walker_(U.S._Comptroller_General)

So, how in the Hell does anyone expect the Governemt to pay for a $1Trillion health care takeover.

You folks are CLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEE-LESS.

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:12 pm

PRotect children from WHAT?

I got that straight out of the bill

Michael

March 24th, 2010
5:16 pm

I didn’t say SSI had money. I’m simply stating the fact the your argument is you don’t want to pay into something for everybody else to use, yet you pay into SSI and MEDICARE.

Personally I think the cost is high and have yet to see what cost that much. It would have been real easy to do the no pre-existing and no lifetime cap, tort cap and be done. But I see they played the law of averages to try and bring down the cost, more healthy payers versus less sick payers.

B Ross

March 24th, 2010
5:20 pm

I disagree with Baker’s decision… but I feel that Virginia and the Florida Coalition suits are sufficient at this moment.

The health care take over bill is not protected under the commerce clause and violates the 10th amendment. Health care is a state issue.

WGross

March 24th, 2010
5:22 pm

To all who do not like the healthcare bill, DO NOT take part in its benefits. Here are some things that you can do before 2014. DO NOT carry your children on your insurance until they are 27 if they do not have any (drop them yourself). DO NOT accept insurance for your child with a pre-existing condition. CANCEL your insurance when you have a catastrophic injury or sick (like an insurance company would) and pay for bills yourself. Small Businesses with less than 50 people – DO NOT take the tax credit. Seniors DO NOT take the Medicare Rx rebate. DO NOT accept insurance coverage when your current cap is reached – pay for the excess yourself. DO PAY for your co-pays for checkups and preventative exams. DO NOT accept the appeals process when your coverage is denied. If you do not want to pay tax on indoor tanning services – don’t go there. DO NOT take advantage of better student loan opportunities for college.

But more than anything DO NOT call members of Congress the “N” word or the “F” word or bastards (à la R. Limbaugh) or spit on them. DO NOT through bricks through their office windows. If this is how this group plans to run our country – God help us all. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT!!!

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Dee

March 24th, 2010
5:23 pm

I would suggest everyone get educated on this bill and stop letting the news persuade you one way or the other. http://www.factcheck.org….or you can check out the article on CNN (a neutral news station) in which they answer these very questions or concerns you have.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/24/health.care.viewer.faqs/index.html?hpt=C1

Babyboomer

March 24th, 2010
5:24 pm

EJ. There are a lot of things in life that aren,t complicated, but there are also a lot of people who double speak. This is why lawyers get involved. Of course, if the constitution is so clear and simple, those nine justices are way over paid. Let send old Joe Blow and pay him $50,000 and save the tax payers a couple hundred grand per justice.

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
5:34 pm

Michael: according to the AP “Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potnetial problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.

Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.

Full protection for children would not come until 2014….

Late Tuesday, the administration said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would try to resolve the situation by issuing new regulations.”

I guess you somehow missed it in the 2,000+ pages of reading. But, you’re in good company…all of CONgress missed it, too. Oh, well.

Dan Deacon

March 24th, 2010
5:36 pm

Duluth, GA……you’ve got it all wrong. Ignorance is what you see when looking in your mirror. Saying Obama’s trying to unite people and sharing wealthy peoples riches is ignorance. This is America…not some rogue country that shares with thugs that refuse to work, steal and use drugs and then want to get a free ride. This is America where you earn it to get it. People that have earned it or have wealth don’t owe you a damn thing but perhaps a mop and bucket so you can earn a buck, if that. So, stop your whining and crying about your Obama and Baker boys being beat up on in this blog….they’re acting stupid and racist by pushing socialism and “brothering” with each other on this health care issue.

Grow a pair and stop acting like a little boy.

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
5:44 pm

Michael, just noticed that you believe Medicaid recipients (that’s what they are, “recipients”) pay for their coverage. Nothing could be further from the truth. Medicaid is an entitlement program, fully paid for by the federal and state governments. Now, for Medicare, the elderly pay monthly premiums for their coverage.

Art teacher

March 24th, 2010
6:14 pm

hmmm . . . The gov’t can’t legally require a person to buy a product? What about car insurance? I didn’t know that was optional.

Let’s see, we need to close schools and furlough teachers, cut days and wages for state employees, but we’ve got enough money to pursue a frivolous lawsuit against the Feds? Sounds like Georgia politics, all right.

4exsell

March 24th, 2010
6:20 pm

It is amazing that a majority of these commits think that anybody thats for this healthcare bill is Black, lazy and poor. sorry to disappoint you sorry excuses for Americans, I am Black not sorry, lazy or poor, pay taxes just like the rest of you, believe in a higher power (god) and still support this BILL. You say it is not about race, but subconsciously your opinion of a poor lazy person just happens to be black, so when you say you don’t want to pay for some lazy irresponsible person health care, be honest you know who you are talking about. I work as hard as you pay taxs like you serve this country in the Army, and it pains me to hear that this is still America. You would be the same people to fight civil rights like your parents did. Grow up your opinion is just that, how about keepin that hurtful unproductive thoughts to your self. Thomas Baker did what he thought was right for Georgia, Why that can’t be the reason? is it because your brains are to small to take in change. born in the Sixties and some of you have not change a bite. A real american that follows the Law of the Land even when it effects my life and my Kids.

EJ

March 24th, 2010
6:26 pm

Babyboomer,

We can do better than that. Let’s have the Federal politicians cite the specific part of the Constitution that grants them the authority for their bills. Then, We the People will see specifically which part of the Constitution is providing us with more and more government intrusion, more and more control of our lives.

Then we will see that the Interstate Commerce Clause has given them full reign over what we may or may not do.

Otherwise, having both State and Federal governments is a redundant waste of time and money.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article7537.html

Now, we can then elect officials who campaign to overturn that clause. And return power back to the states.

Art teacher

March 24th, 2010
6:27 pm

Go Baker! Finally someone with some sense around here.

Jim Summers

March 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

The Law of Unintended Consequences guarantees that the law as passed will not actually work. It is based on GUESSES about the future in the country, made by people who cannot accurately predict the weather in Atlanta a week from today. Just another “stop the foreclosures” fiasco.

Down in Albany

March 24th, 2010
6:40 pm

4exsell: who is Thomas Baker?

Uno

March 24th, 2010
6:43 pm

Well done, Mr. Baker. That’s the kind of common sense solution that Georga so desperately needs.

wake up

March 24th, 2010
6:47 pm

If people want to have the “right” NOT to have health insurance, then any hospital or medical facility or practitioner receiving any sort of taxpayer funding (fed/state/local), tax breaks or special benefits should be allowed (even required) to refuse to treat the people who exercise that “right” unless they pay up front.

Kevin

March 24th, 2010
6:54 pm

The people leaving comments who are SO concerned with wasting taxpayer money with a lawsuit, are the same people who give Obama and congress a pass when they have racked up record debt in one year.

GeorgiaPeach

March 24th, 2010
7:07 pm

Hey Baker, we will gladly accept your immediate resignation and get someone who gives a darn about Georgians. Just because your a Dem doesn’t mean you have to be stupid too. Were you in bed with the others behind closed doors? What’s in it for you? You sure as heck not going to get governorship in Georgia. That is reserved for someone who has some common sense.

[...] Earlier in the day, you may have heard that Attorney General Thurbert Baker, a Democrat and candidate for Governor, politely told Gov. Sonny Perdue that he would not join 14 other states in challenging federal mandates in ObamaCare. [...]

GT Dude

March 24th, 2010
8:12 pm

Mr. Baker,

Thank you for your resignation.

Alive in GA

March 24th, 2010
8:22 pm

Heres an idea, when the law suit fails several years from now, the filing parties should have to reimburse the tax payers for wasting their money.

Let’s hold them accountable.

Val

March 24th, 2010
9:39 pm

Time to vote Thurbert out of office. Can’t wait!!

Val

March 24th, 2010
9:40 pm

Enter your comments here

jonathan

March 24th, 2010
9:52 pm

What is this guy in office for? If he won’t protect us from the Federal Government who will. I really dislike Sonny – really don’t like the guy – but if anyone has ever read the constitution (either US or Georgia) you would understand this is so WRONG – on so many levels.

Before you start praising people for doing something – start reading. Read the constitution, read the bill of rights, for the love of pete – read SOMETHING. I’m starting to feel like I’m surrounded by idots reading these postings.

I hope Mr Baker will grow a pair and stand up to defend Georgians. But he obviously wants to be another lackluster governor like the one we have.

DeNeece Butler

March 24th, 2010
10:05 pm

Several brief comments: It isn’t a black or white issue. It’s a green issue. How is the money going to flow? How economically has the government managed Social Security and Medicare? Last I heard those programs are very close to being broke. How do they propose to crack down on costly fraud and abuse of the Medicare system in a more effective way, and what is that going to cost? If that can be achieved, why hasn’t it be cone already? How do they propose to thwart “gaming the system”, as is so often done now….finding legal ways to misuse and abuse?

This isn’t as much a Republican/Democrat of Conservative/Liberal issue as it is a good/evil matter. There is good and there is evil in all of those arenas. As Bill Bennett has pointed out, we have lost our moral compass. Seems no one knows how to do the right thing anymore. Worse, seems too few people truly know what the right thing is. It’s really very simple…that trite old “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” axiom….or do unto your mama or your child.

Health care is neither a right nor a privilege. It is a responsibility. All adults, primarily parents, are responsible to some degree and in some ways for the health (and education) of children. Adult individuals are responsible for providing for their own health care needs, and for their own senior citizenship needs. Human nature seems to be such that if someone else is willing or forced to fulfill those responsibilities, the individual is happy to let them.

For such instances in which health needs exceed an individual’s fully responsible effort to prepare for health care, there, of course, needs to be a safety net, first in the form of family help, then church help, then local community, then state of residence………period.

Citizens would have a much better opportunity to be self-reliant and take care of their own health care needs and insurance if they could keep more of their earnings through The Fair Tax, if State Insurance Commissioners were diligent in protecting their citizens from insurance company abuse through effective regulations, and if, for job creation, the subject of stringently regulated industries such as legalized gambling is revisited. These and other issues can and should be voted on through referendum. If we can select an American Idol via the internet, surely programs can be developed to allow for secure, convenient expression of opinion through an E-Vote, as well as more conventional methods.

This country is just too damned big for one size fits all governance on social issues. The Tenth Amendment needs to be invoked for this Heath Care Act, as well as, in retrospect many federal programs…..education, EPA, OSHA, etc. State citizenry is perfectly capable of governing themselves in these areas. Physician assisted suicide is legal in the state of Oregon. That may or may not be the will of the citizens of other states; it and many, many other issues should be left up to the states and/or regions of the country where states are bonded with commonality in cultures, history, natural resources, geography, topography, etc.

I am not a Georgia citizen. However, I would hope that those good folks in Georgia would exercise their responsibility and right to express their opinions to their Attorney General on this issue.

DeNeece Butler

March 24th, 2010
10:06 pm

Several brief comments: It isn’t a black or white issue. It’s a green issue. How is the money going to flow? How economically has the government managed Social Security and Medicare? Last I heard those programs are very close to being broke. How do they propose to crack down on costly fraud and abuse of the Medicare system in a more effective way, and what is that going to cost? If that can be achieved, why hasn’t it be cone already? How do they propose to thwart “gaming the system”, as is so often done now….finding legal ways to misuse and abuse?

This isn’t as much a Republican/Democrat of Conservative/Liberal issue as it is a good/evil matter. There is good and there is evil in all of those arenas. As Bill Bennett has pointed out, we have lost our moral compass. Seems no one knows how to do the right thing anymore. Worse, seems too few people truly know what the right thing is. It’s really very simple…that trite old “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” axiom….or do unto your mama or your child.

Health care is neither a right nor a privilege. It is a responsibility. All adults, primarily parents, are responsible to some degree and in some ways for the health (and education) of children. Adult individuals are responsible for providing for their own health care needs, and for their own senior citizenship needs. Human nature seems to be such that if someone else is willing or forced to fulfill those responsibilities, the individual is happy to let them.

For such instances in which health needs exceed an individual’s fully responsible effort to prepare for health care, there, of course, needs to be a safety net, first in the form of family help, then church help, then local community, then state of residence………period.

Citizens would have a much better opportunity to be self-reliant and take care of their own health care needs and insurance if they could keep more of their earnings through The Fair Tax, if State Insurance Commissioners were diligent in protecting their citizens from insurance company abuse through effective regulations, and if, for job creation, the subject of stringently regulated industries such as legalized gambling is revisited. These and other issues can and should be voted on through referendum. If we can select an American Idol via the internet, surely programs can be developed to allow for secure, convenient expression of opinion through an E-Vote, as well as more conventional methods.

This country is just too damned big for one size fits all governance on social issues. The Tenth Amendment needs to be invoked for this Heath Care Act, as well as, in retrospect many federal programs…..education, EPA, OSHA, etc. State citizenry is perfectly capable of governing themselves in these areas. Physician assisted suicide is legal in the state of Oregon. That may or may not be the will of the citizens of other states; it and many, many other issues should be left up to the states and/or regions of the country where states are bonded with commonality in cultures, history, natural resources, geography, topography, etc.

I am not a Georgia citizen. However, I would hope that those good folks in Georgia would exercise their responsibility and right to express their opinions to their Attorney General on this issue.

Jim Carroll

March 24th, 2010
11:08 pm

After reading these comments, it’s apparent some of these writers, either never read or saw the Constitution. If any of you socialist know where in the Constitution these is required, please advise. I have not only read it, but also taught it.

vuduchld

March 24th, 2010
11:19 pm

Hey Jawjians, you don’t have to pay for any more car insurance! Why? Because according to your “genius” lawmakers on the hill, it is unconstitutional to make any citizen pay for something they don’t want. So, if that is the case, why pay for car insurance? Sounds like the state is hypocritical to me, making you pay for car insurance and not health insurance. I say you pilgrims ahould sue the state and get your monies back from all those bogus car insurance payments they have been pilfering from your purses. Ask your lawbreaking lawmakers why they’re making you pay for car insurance. It is in the unconstitutional right?

King Richard

March 25th, 2010
12:00 am

I can’t believe how many of you -JUST don’t get it? It’s not about Healthcare or Health insurance or what ever you want to call it. It’s about the Federal government taking your freedoms away.

Why the heck do you want the Government more involved in your life?

They (Gov’t ) wastes $.60 of every dollar spent.

They took over Amtrak- They now lose $400 on each customer that rides the train! GM only loses about $4k on EVERY car it sells.

They run the LARGEST Ponzi scheme in the world- Social Security! Madoff should have Geitner’s job…

If it is SOOOOOO bad here in the US- I will personally pay for a one way ticket anywhere in the world as long a you renounce your citizenship.

Jason

March 25th, 2010
2:00 am

Thubert Baker is clearly not concerned about anything other than his new endeavor as Gov. of Georgia. He is foolish to say there is no violation of the Constitution with the new Obamacare. Wrong move Mr. Baker, you lose. I hope Perdue has the balls to take on the Feds, it will be cheaper than rolling over and taking it. I challenge everyone who loves this nation to rid the government of all politicians and look to replace them with true statesmen. Hold them accountable. Remember what this country stands for and educate yourself, I need it too. I fought for my country and own a small business. Not one time, one single time, has anyone in D.C. mentioned anything that will help my small business. I don’t need help running my business, I need politicians to let me keep my money. We are over taxed. You don’t tell people they have too share their fruits of labor. There are enough people out there that will take care of the needy at the local level. If we don’t have the money then how can we. We need farmers, business owners, educated persons to represent us. No more career politicians only gents that have worked with their hands and know what it means to sit back and look at you accomplishments that you created with you own hands. Only gents that have been destitute and have taken any job to provide for his family. Only gents who recognize God/Jesus, our Lord and savior. Only Gents that discipline their children and are family men. No others, a God fearing, hard working, family man can only understand what this county needs.

Jason
U.S. Marines
Semper Fidelis

fulldawg

March 25th, 2010
8:00 am

Sonny would rather spend money on anything else rather than education. Of course from his perspective (not being able to make it as a veterinarian) I guess it does seem useless……

lonora

March 25th, 2010
10:46 am

Enter your comments here

gilchrib

March 25th, 2010
10:49 am

Georgia has more immediate needs it needs to address then a possible lawsuit that will be extremely hard to win. Both side of the political process are grand standing. Are bridges are falling apart, are children are losing out on education, banks are closing, jobs are being lost, people are losing their homes and the price of gas is back on the rise. You government people need to get back to governing for the people not for the party. And by the way everyone who voted against health care has GREAT health care!!!!!!!

NativeAtlantan

March 25th, 2010
11:31 am

“Honk if I’m paying for your
-Mortgage
-Groceries
-Health care
-Pharmaceuticals
-Wall Street bonus
-Retirement”

We normal middle/upper middle class people work hard every day to do well for ourselves and our families, yet end up paying for everyone else’s.

Voting “against the incumbent” on every ballot I can find…

…NativeAtlantan

RhoNu

March 25th, 2010
12:34 pm

Gov Purdue said more cuts have to be made, so I and many many more have to take furlough days because of the state’s budget. Now the governor wants to use money the state supposedly doesn’t have to sue the govt over the health care bill. UNLESS things are not as bad as the governor makes it. I mean what is it? Does the state have money or not?

DeNeece Butler

March 25th, 2010
12:38 pm

Vuduchld…..Here is the difference between being required to have health insurance and car insurance. One can choose not to own a vehicle or drive and, thus, not be required to purchase auto insurance. One has the choice of mass transit, taxis, walking, bicycling, riding in someone else’s car, etc. to travel to where one wants or needs to go. In the case of forced purchase of health insurance, one has no choice. Either you purchase health insurance or your money is taken from you through the IRS to be included in the pool of money to pay for not only your own potential health needs, but that of others as well. It truly is all a big Ponzi scheme.

By the way, sorry for the duplication of my previous, long post. If I knew how to delete one of them, I would. DB

SWGA

March 25th, 2010
1:28 pm

I’ll be glad when these old racist people die off!

SWGA

March 25th, 2010
1:46 pm

Over the past several years, Georgia has removed over $3 billion from the public education budget to fund the misplaced priorities of our Republican leaders. Thank you Mr. Baker!

[...] of course has declined to join the suit, and Perdue has now moved on to pursuing a lawsuit via a “special attorney general” (in [...]

YesWeCan

March 25th, 2010
3:57 pm

Thank you Mr. Baker! You are my hero! I can’t say that about very many in Georgia politics.

Cerpas

March 25th, 2010
9:01 pm

Wow…Poor ole Mr Baker must have went to law school in mississippi…he couldnt find a thing unconstitutional with the bill, even though no precedent has ever been set for what they have done…And he is running for Gov? LOL Maybe he will make a better Gov, it sure he’s not much of a lawyer..

[...] common sense, not embarrass its citizens, and not sue the federal government. Thurbert Baker declined to join the Attorneys General suit, saying “this litigation is likely to fail and will consume significant amounts of [...]

Kate

March 26th, 2010
1:39 am

Mr. Baker–You may aspire to governorship, but anyone who could support
this nearly-3000 page healthcare monstrosity imposed upon the American
people against the will of the majority of the people will NEVER get my
vote. I believe that you, Mr. Baker, are just trying to stay in the good graces of the Democratic powers that be, but the rising tide of public opinion is a strong resentment of the continuous takeover of individual liberties by the current administration. This administration’s pro-abortion, anti-Christian, income-leveling, Islamic
rear-kissing approach is TOTALLY out of step with the majority of the American voters. Don’t count on Obama to be around to rescue the careers of any democrats after 2012, because he will be OUT OF OFFICE if sanity prevails.

Seriously?

March 26th, 2010
9:04 pm

Seriously? Our nation is bankrupt! We can not pay for this healthcare debacle!
SUE THE FEDS!!!!!!! No where in our constitution is health insurance granted as a right. Do you really want the feds in charge of your healthcare? Are you aware that Medicare went in the red today?

steve

March 27th, 2010
2:15 am

why is okay for dead beat dont work rich to hold thier hand for money from the republican
and the health care bill will be paid for with saving and taxes on the people making over 250.000 it wont cost you cheap white bastards nothing to calm down

steve

March 27th, 2010
2:18 am

there nothing in the constitution to help the rich either but we do the feds are not in charge the docter id you idiot

steve

March 27th, 2010
2:22 am

kate the republican tried to imposed privation of medicare and social security and tax cuts nobody wanted so that fine and raised the debt by 4 trillion and you complain about something the majority wanted when president obama elected that health care reform

GenStar

March 27th, 2010
4:04 pm

Fergie – You hit the nail on the head. It is true – the mass of white rednects in this country feel that a black man cannot and should not have the power to tell them anything, much less control what happens in government. Grow up and accept what God has instore for all of us.

GenStar

March 27th, 2010
4:11 pm

Sonny Purdue must think Georgians are completely ignorant! Why should he expect our Atty Gen. to fight the federal goverment (possibly to the Supreme Court) with money he says we do not have! Yet, Sonny does not wish to invest in our children’s education so that they and our goverment will be able to compete in the Global economy.

[...] reacted to Wednesday’s news that their Attorney General, Democrat Thurbert Baker, would not sign on to a multi-state lawsuit to block the health care bill in his state by filing [...]

tia

March 28th, 2010
12:55 pm

How intelligent do you have to be to call other people names when you disagree with them? We have for the most part lost the ability to reason with each other, and find a common sense solution instead of one based on whose vote one can buy with government handouts. When you as a citizen run out of money, you have to change your spending habits. When the government runs out of money, which it already has (check out the national debt now), they just keep spending and printing money and spending and printing money. Our country is on the brink of economic collapse, and all we can manage to do is call each other names. Come on Americans, wake up!

Alan Neagle

March 28th, 2010
1:56 pm

Thurmond Baker must have no interest in defending the sovereignty of the State of Georgia by questioning the legality of Health Care Bill that will cost the State money and personal rights. How could anyone consider him for governor?

Lee

March 31st, 2010
10:23 pm

Talk about people with entitlement attitudes, what Mr. Attorney General Thurbert Baker is doing by not protecting his constituency from the ever growing hands of the Federal Government, will someday embolden the Federal Government to tell the current Attorney General of Georgia, his or her services are no longer needed. His actions do not surprise me, he has shown he represents the Democratic party and not the people of Georgia, for there is ample evidence that this new law goes against the very documents that protects states rights and individual freedoms. And this nonsense that because you disagree with President Obama’s politics you are somehow racist is ludicrous and insulting. I am positive Zell Miller is losing sleep knowing what a great mistake it was selecting Baker to replace Bower and it is time for Georgia to remove this hack from this position, when he won’t defend Georgians from a Federal government who are stepping on Georgia’s state rights.

gah20bug

March 31st, 2010
10:43 pm

I applaud Sonny for trying to protect Georgia citizens from this bill that is a job killer and will bankrupt our country. We need to impeach Baker for not stepping up to the plate for Georgia.

TRUE CONSERVATIVE

April 19th, 2010
5:55 pm

WOW read all the Rep and Dem remarks here.
I’m a 56 year old with no health care (PRE-EXISTING ISSUES), NO ONE WILL INSURE ME GOT ANY HELPFUL INFORMATION?
What is a TRUE CSERVATIVE YOU ASK? It is someone watching where my tax dollars get spent, 60 FOREIGN MILITARY BASES, HUGE AMOUNTS OF FOREIGN AID, TAX CUTS FOR WEALTHY, WORTHLESS WARS, Don’t see anyone complaining about all this.
HOW about AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS FOR AMERICANS,
CUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF.