Tax break proposed for police

Full- and part-time public safety officers could see their salaries exempt from state income tax under legislation proposed in the state House by Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta). “House Bill 1180 is just a way that we can reward those who are so valuable to our safety and security,” Franklin said.

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Road Scholar

February 16th, 2010
12:21 pm

Is this an excuse to not pay them a fair wage or just another tax break to a select group?

Karl Marx

February 16th, 2010
12:23 pm

That would be fine Repersentative Franklin if you and your buddys would reduce spending by the amount our fine public officers would pay in income tax. Don’t just pile it on the rest of us.

Alex

February 16th, 2010
12:43 pm

Bobby Franklin is one of the all-time idiots under the gold dome.

Rob Vinson

February 16th, 2010
12:54 pm

Why don’t we just do away with state income taxes for all….that sounds fair to me?

Woodrow

February 16th, 2010
1:04 pm

I can see this one coming. A tax break for police. Then teachers, then legislators…yada yada yada.

mike

February 16th, 2010
1:25 pm

You’ve got to be kidding…vote this clown out.

tinhat

February 16th, 2010
1:27 pm

Would this include volunteer firefighters? If this passes, you can bet you’ll see the teachers queuing up next.

What a cluster …

tinhat

February 16th, 2010
1:28 pm

Oops … sorry to plagiarize you, Woodrow.

about time

February 16th, 2010
1:45 pm

i’m a purchasing manager. Why not purchasing managers? Better yet, why not strippers and fast food workers? This guy is a freakin idiot!

gussguss

February 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

Hey Bobby Franklin…..would you like a list of all the perks that police officers already get??? Like building retirement checks from three sources: their employer, Peace Officers Assoc of Ga, Police Officers Annuity Benefit Fund ( a % of every traffic ticket they write goes into a separate retirement fund for them). Who else gets more retirement just for doing their job? This is just a tip of their perks. Did someone special receive a “free pass” for some violation??? Otherwise, what the heck are you thinking?

FTHEPOPO

February 16th, 2010
2:16 pm

F THE POLICE!!!! no tax break. VOTE NO. MAKE WEED LEGAL…. THEY CAN SMOKE THUR THEIR PROBLEMS LIKE THE REST OF US. PLUS THIS RUN DOWN STATE NEEDS EVERY RED CENT FOR THEM TO BLOW ON USELESS BS…. NOT THE COPS!!!!!!!!!!

gttim

February 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

Wouldn’t it be easier if everybody just paid a fair state tax, corporations included, and do away with all the loopholes and exemptions?

And yes, just start paying cops a living wage. Firemen and teachers to.

Nobama2012

February 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

Hey gussguss, what in the world is the Peace Officers Assoc of Ga? Im an officer and have never heard of it.

Correction: HB 1180 says "Peace Officer" not public safety

February 16th, 2010
2:29 pm

this means cops.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/search/hb1180.htm

(b)(1) As used in this subsection, the term ‘public safety officer’ means a peace officer, as defined in Code Section 35-8-2.

That means no firemen, paramedics, only cops.

I bet Bobby got caught driving dirty on Franklin Road….

MW

February 16th, 2010
2:38 pm

Bobby Franklin is a joke. He constantly introduces legislation without co-sponsors, knowing full well his bills are little more than PR stunts that have no chance of passage. Been down there for over a decade and holds no leadership positions of any sort due to the fact that those within his own party view him as a clown.

Check out this gem from Rep. Franklin earlier this session: http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2010/01/14/bobby-franklin-total-nut-job/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+freshloaf+(Fresh+Loaf)

Cobb County deserves better than Bobby Franklin.

David S

February 16th, 2010
2:53 pm

Let’s not forget that these folks are already receiving a salary thanks to the money that is stolen from the rest of us by the tax man. This is not a voluntary service that we all subscribe to in a free, open, and competitive marketplace. These folks are hired by the government, paid via stolen monies, and fully comply with orders to protect the government from the people. They are no longer peace officers who keep the peace. They are law enforcement officers who do the bidding of our overlords.

They sit by the side of the road with their speed gun and raise revenue to pay their salaries (sounds a lot like extortion). They arrest non-violent citizens for engaging in activities the government has deemed unacceptable (but activities with no victims). I speak of course of the failed war on drugs, laws against liquor sales, laws against gambling, and laws against prostitution. Some of them even engage is flagrant coverups of criminal activity they and their fellow cops commit.

If the legislature is looking to cut costs, then cut the number of officers. Or even cut their salaries by the amount they will be tax exempt.

None of us like paying for government monopoly services, especially when we know that we could be safer and have more liberty under a free market provision of security services, but those same cops that get paid, also “benefit” from the serives. There is certainly no reason they should be exempt from the taxes. They do a job just like every other person in this state.. Except they don’t contribute to the productive free market sector. They take from it.

No Income or Property Tax!

February 16th, 2010
2:57 pm

We need to have an increase to our state slaes tax and do away with income and property taxes! Everyone can then share the burden…especially those who are undoccumented and paying no tax!!!!

old timer

February 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

My husband 35 year police officer NEVER got a % of ANY ticket he wrote….whoever said that is uneducated.

old timer

February 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

By the way we retired to TN..no state income tax at all!!

georgia peach

February 16th, 2010
3:23 pm

how about we just do FAIRtax and then we wouldn’t have to deal with any of this nonsense. also can we get rid of some of these illegals that don’t pay a damn dime into taxes??

Joe 6-Pack

February 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

It’s not a tax break for police….

IT IS A TAX INCREASE ON ALL OF US WHO ARE NOT POLICE.

Me

February 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

What a freaking joke!!! I vote NO state tax for anyone.
This guy has to be the ding dong of the gold dome..

Logic

February 16th, 2010
3:47 pm

The Peace Officer Benefit and Annuity Fund is paid for with add on fine money from traffic enforcement. Each time an officer writes a ticket, a percentage goes into this fund. Less than half of the police officers in Georgia bother to join. Those that do join can add about $800 a month (MAX) to their retirement income.

Below is a link to this: http://poab.georgia.gov/portal/site/POAB/

Tracie

February 16th, 2010
3:49 pm

They chose their career, we did not force it upon them. If they think they are underpaid then they need to look elsewhere. Im tired of supporting everyone and everything that looks good to democrates.

Hey I know, lets do the fair tax so the 12million illegals living in this country can pay taxes. Ummmmmm seems to me that would bring in a few billion in tax revenue and they should pay to live here. After all, why should we pay for their medical, food, housing, education of their kids and not have them pay.

As for the police, first it was the forclosurers they can get really cheap and now not paying state tax. Give me a break. When and where will it end.

Guss is wrong

February 16th, 2010
3:50 pm

Guss, the POAB retirement was created for officers and deputies who work for departments that have no retirement. It’s about $700/month for retirees. The POAG has NO retirement benefits for police. Most departments still offer little or no retirement plan for officers. I am also for having no state income tax (Fl, TX and others don’t and are still making it), but please get your facts straight about the officers that serve and protect you and your family.

Sunny Daze

February 16th, 2010
4:03 pm

I thought this was a joke. Is this serious?

Jeff

February 16th, 2010
4:03 pm

It is not right, the police should pay their fair share for state income tax. We need to do the fair share tax, that would make it fair for everyone.

BobDole

February 16th, 2010
4:06 pm

the % of a ticket thing goes to family’s of officers killed in the line of duty. Just putting that out there.

Having been in public safety and now an officer, I agree that this should extend to “public safety” – and not just police.

and to the volunteer firefighter – YOUR VOLUNTEER, shouldn’t have an income. When its your profession, then come around again asking for assistance.

Voice of Reason

February 16th, 2010
4:11 pm

You guys are the exact reason I got out of police work after 12 years. Underpaid and underappreciated. A police officer does more in one day for his community than any of you or your tax money will ever do. There is a reason that purchasing managers and fast food workers arent included. They dont put their lives on the line everyday for sorry people like you…Heaven forbid that people who face death everyday get a freakin tax break. You people make me sick…

Glass House Rocker

February 16th, 2010
4:19 pm

A childhood friend became a Deputy Sheriff and was killed when he responded to a domestic dispute–by a couple he knew.

I appreciate the police. I cannot imagine risking my life for strangers–or the potential of dealing with thugs, vicious drug dealers, etc.–every day. One never knows what or who might show up the next minute.

I have never heard of Bobby Franklin. I guess he does not rank high enough to be invited on any hunting or football trips, etc. Whatever the circumstance, he did get elected.

The proposal to do away with State (and Federal?) Income Tax sounds fair for everyone. Does Florida have a State Income Tax?

We can hold those politicians who seemingly receive special benefits in the form of campaign contributions, trips (i.e. vacations for themselves and their families) and other, more personal(?)–see the AJC report re: the bevy of ladies wearing stiletto heel and short skirts sitting in the hallways of the STATE CAPITOL–considerations accountable.

Reportedly, these ladies have disappeared from public view because of two men. One lost power while another assumed that role. Why? Where was the Governor–hunting?

Ethics? We don’t need no Ethics!

We must hold our elected officials accountable. We cannot continue to allow them to spend our tax money on pork barrel projects instead of spending for the public good.

Remember, judges are elected–or, our elected representatives appoint or confirm them. .

How many of you have ever contacted your elected representatives directly? If they do not respond or you do not like the response, the alternative is to vote them out.

katz

February 16th, 2010
4:19 pm

four legs good, two legs bad…or was it two pigs good, four pigs bad? mmmm BBQ and aren’t we ALL special and important members of society…VOTE THIS CLOWN OUT and blow him a good fart while you’re at it.

georgia peach

February 16th, 2010
4:35 pm

@Voice of Reason there are many Police Officers that work hard to protect us and then there are many Pigs that just roll around and make stops at their local dunkin donuts. Not ALL Police Officers are working hard to protect us.

David S

February 16th, 2010
4:51 pm

Voice of Reason – folks who work in the food service industry, especially in convenience stores, put their lives at risk way more than cops. And they rarely have the benefit of being armed, having backup, and being able to obey the law or not obey the law as they see fit.

More importantly, the other folks you mentioned make their living off the voluntary exchange of money in the market place. They do not live off the forced taxation of the productive sector of society. There are plenty of private security forces that protect the property and lives of georgians. Hats off to them. But as everyone else has said, the job is voluntary. If cops actually served and protected, rather than just enforced government imposed laws, they might get more respect.

General Sherman

February 16th, 2010
4:57 pm

I am for the tax break,but what about the firefighters,school teachers,state employees and the list goes on and on! Law suit waiting to happen.

KM

February 16th, 2010
5:09 pm

I know that everyone likes a tax break but does that mean that the rest of us have to make up the difference. I am not here to debate whether a police officer should or should not get a tax break but rather what is the benefit of any tax break for every Georgia tax payer?

Whenever I hear tax breaks I have to wonder what group’s taxes are being increased if we are not decreasing any services. Whenever you turn on the news, a lot of state, county, or city governments are complaining about the decreased tax base and not being able to provide some services. My suggestion is to make the hard decisions and get rid of the services that is “nice to have” or to tax the people appropriately to pay for the services being offered.

Everybody wants a tax break including me but no one cares how things are going to be paid for as long as “I” get a break.

Mid-South Philosopher

February 16th, 2010
5:24 pm

If we had the Fair Tax at the federal and the state levels, we would not have to have this idiotic argument. Oh, but wait, “my bad,” I forgot, the “idiots” are in charge!

Hootie to U

February 16th, 2010
5:32 pm

Police protect us; fireman save us; Paramedics save us; teachers teach us; but why don’t other professions get tax breaks, discounts, and free food at restuarants? Financial Advisors help us save, grow, and protect our money; Restuarant owners prepare food for us to eat; Garbage collectors haul away our trash….etc….most occupation provides a service we all need – stop pandering to “public servants”. They get paid for the job they chose!

Captain Midnight

February 16th, 2010
5:36 pm

Mandatory drug tests for the welfare queens and no more tax exempt status for our good “Reverends”. That’d put a few more bucks backin the coffers. I got no problem paying cops. We need more of them! Look around people, this $#ithole area we live in ie Clayton,Fulton (murdered Chatt Hills officer)Dekalb,Henry,Cobb is a freakin war zone!
Pay the men!!

Captain Midnight

February 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

Hootie,how many of your aforementioned occupations require BODY ARMOR to be wore under their clothing. That’d be one. Financial advisors!?!?
LMMF broke AO!

Logic

February 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

This is a stupid proposal.

Pay the police what they are worth. If the police were to get this tax break, who would be next…teachers, fireman, EMS, public works employees?

Equal protection under the law….we can’t create special groups that are exempt from taxes.
Remember, every time someone is given a special tax break … it means the rest of us pay more.

Captain Midnight

February 16th, 2010
5:46 pm

Should a privete in the Army who works a desk earn the same as a private in the Army who is on the front line? It’s called combat pay for a reason.

GA Citizen

February 16th, 2010
5:48 pm

Haven’t those GoldDome Dimwits gone back home for the year yet?

Captain Midnight

February 16th, 2010
5:49 pm

Btw Logic,we can create special groups that are exempt from taxes and we do. Not sayin it’s right, only that we do.

MrLiberty

February 16th, 2010
6:18 pm

First lets remember that police are not paid by voluntary payments to competing businesses in the free market. They are paid through involuntary taxation of the productive sector of society and work for a monopolistic enterprise called government. They do not provide a service that we contract for, they enforce laws that elected and non-elected bureaucrats force us to obey. Many of these laws, like those against drugs, actually create the violent crime circumstances that endanger the private citizen (remember prohibition – same thing). Many of those laws have nothing to do with harming anyone else through violence, fraud, or theft. Again, the drug laws, the gambling laws, laws against prostitution, seat belt laws, speeding laws, tax laws, and thousands of others that cops are more than happy to enforce for their wages. A private security force would likely never be contracted to enforce such pro-government power laws.

Meanwhile, cops are above the law, act like they are above the law, and get away with it. Just look at the rash of taserings, killings, beatings, rapes, sexual assaults, etc. all committed by cops in recent years.

The person who works behind the counter at a gas station on the night shift is in far more physical peril than any cop and they rarely have the luxury of a gun to protect them. They are serving the common good through the wonderful enterprise of commerce, while the cop is serving the state. The Supreme Court has already ruled numerous times that the state and the cop have no specific requirement to protect anyone. Rather, their position as enforcer of illegitimate and immoral laws like drug, gambling, and prostitution laws puts them in an adversarial position to the inherent freedom to dispose of our bodies and our possessions that is bestowed upon us by our humanity (unalienable rights).

The Income Tax is slavery to the state. That is clear. It is as much slavery at the state level as at the Federal level.

It is inappropriate for any government to take the fruits of a man’s labor under threat of violence or imprisonment. The income tax should be ended in GA for everyone, not just cops. Certainly not cops. Certainly not anyone whose paycheck comes from the hard work of the private, voluntary, productive sector of society.

To pay for the elimination of the income tax, the state should repudiate the war on drugs and eliminate all of its laws. It should end all laws on other consensual activities and make the appropriate reductions in funding for prisons, the courts, and police. It is high time the police and the courts spent their time upholding freedom and our rights and providing a functional forum for enforcement of those laws and stopped taking away our freedoms and using the power of government to oppress us.

PIG

February 16th, 2010
6:32 pm

I’m for ALL Public Safety getting a tax break! When you said all the perks you forgot a few! Let’s see getting spit at by someone with HIV and then 7 months of shots afterwards, coming into contact with a crack heads blood, getting feces thrown at you, seeing people who just commited suicide, all the SIDS cases I’ve worked, interviewing victims of rape, kids who are victims of sex crimes, looking for body parts that were cut off due to a wreck, putting people in body bags who have been crushed and you think a free meal at Burger King is a perk? The one thing about most other jobs is that if you went on strike and quit the world will keep going…let someone in Public Safety….do you know the term “hell in a hand basket”. I’ve seen and done more in my 10 years as a Peacer Officer than you will do in a lifetime! Next hoilday when you are spending time with your family don’t forget there are ones who are keeping the streets safe! Yeah, I made a choice to go into Law Enforcement, it takes a special kind of person to do what I do! Based on everyones comments most of you don’t have the balls to strap a duty belt on! Don’t worry I will still protect you and my fellow brothers in blue will as well, because we still have to protect the scum of of the earth!

turtle

February 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

Cops are not there to “protect” anyone. They will come by and clean up your body if you are one who is stupid enough to believe that the police actually have any responsibility to protect you. You are responsible for your well being.
Cops are not even in the top 10 for deadliest professions according to the BLS. So we can dispense with front line warriors talk.

mike

February 16th, 2010
6:44 pm

Tinhat Would this include volunteer firefighters? If this passes, you can bet you’ll see the teachers queuing up next.

Are you stupppppiddddd, volunteer firefighters don’t get a salary. It addresses public safety, which is firefighters, law enforcement and emergency medical personnel

Mike A

February 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

Ok now some of you have the ability to talk things out and some of you just spout off your uneducated mouths with nothing but B.S.

Fact : All public service employees including COPS, FIREMAN, TEACHERS, POSTAL WORKERS, GARBAGE COLLECTORS and so on are paid by taxpayer money. Government employees are also taxed. I pay taxes on my house, my car, my groceries, my salary, my part time job, the gas I buy, and everything else that is for sale. Since all public safety/government workers pay taxes and the government is one the top 5 employers in this country then isn’t that entire group paying their own salaries with THEIR OWN TAX MONEY ?

I would venture to say that the legislature and “the people” benefit greatly by taking public service tax money and drawing interest on it. So the real truth is, for you people who say you are the bosses of firemen and cops, we pay our own salaries.

When strippers and purchasing managers have to give their boss the money he will use to pay them then you can compare yourselves with government workers.

There is no other employment sector in the country that gets taxed in order to pay itself.

Yet geniuses like Tracie will insist that ya’ll didn’t make us take the job. Two things Tracie, call a stripper if you get robbed and stop taking the money you do give me in order to pay me with it !

By the way Tracie, Cops only got the deal on foreclosures if they agree to move into a house in a blighted or crime redden area. You try moving into the drug infested area that you make arrest in everyday and I will fully support your discount on the house—someday people will think before they speak, maybe !

By the way I don’t remember a donut shop being anywhere near the police officer that got killed yesterday !!!!!!

Blago

February 16th, 2010
6:54 pm

PIG – Can you say power trip? You walk around life looking down your nose at anyone who isn’t a police officer? You sure seem like it. And you wonder why all of us “scum of the earth” are uncomfortable with you.

You clearly think you’re a better person than all of us who merely chose a different profession. I personally didn’t go into law enforcement because I had no desire to work for the government, and the power trips don’t really get me off personally. That doesn’t mean I’m not a productive member of society who ought to be deserving of your “selfless” protection.

Most of us certainly don’t deserve your incredible disdain.

Mike A

February 16th, 2010
6:55 pm

By the way I support the fair tax, it is truly the only way to ensure an equal tax burden, but even then government workers will continue being taxed in order to pay their own salaries.

bill

February 16th, 2010
7:05 pm

Lets get it straight about POAB fund. We in public safety (law enforcement) pay a monthly contribution to be in the retirement program. Additional contributions are made through traffic fines. If we individually contribute we can qualify for about $23 pension for each year of service in law enforcement. 20 years equals about $460 a month. Woooooo. Then got it made in the shade huh? Compare this to 2 years in congess retirement and benefits. Compare this to teachers retirement and benefits. See what you come up with.

thesource

February 16th, 2010
7:18 pm

Bill

February 16th, 2010
7:21 pm

Next time someone is breaking into your home or assaulting you, don’t call the POLICE. Call the person in thr private work force or the one that did not chose to be in law enforcement and see how fast they come to help you or better yet see what the say to you. It probably will be something like “RUN” or I will call the POLICE!!!!!

JW

February 16th, 2010
7:45 pm

If you public servants who put your life on the line everyday think the job does not pay enough, or if you think that the risk is just not worth the reward, then why not run for some federal public office? I would suggest U.S. Senator or U.S. Representative. God knows that we desperately need someone different in these offices – and not just here but all across the country.
Why, just look at all the perks you can get with these offices. You can build your own retirement fund while skimming and swimming in the public trough. You can pad your pockets will “campaign contributions” as you play golf year-round with your buddies while your PAC picks up the entire tab. You can enjoy all expense paid vacations while on fact finding trips all around the world, courtesy of your lobbyists or some special interest group. While in office you can have the best healthcare in the nation while paying practically nothing and after you retire it becomes absolutely free. And then there is the retirement pension that keeps on giving until the day you die – a pension that is in no way tied to Social Security system, which has been so raped and pillaged by those currently in office that the only thing in the Trust Fund is worthless federal IOUs in the form of Treasury notes — all thanks to deficit spending over the years.
Perhaps if you get elected you can continue the tax breaks for the rest of us, or maybe even revive Reaganomics with its “trickle down” sharing that made the rest of us so wealthy.

By the way, it doesn’t really matter whether you run as a Democrat or Republican — there is no difference between the two because the above description will fit on either of those feet. And the sad part is that it is our fault because we keep sending the same people back, and back, and back again – to do the same thing over and over again and, once elected, the only time we ever hear from that person again is at re-election time.

For those of you that think there really is a difference between the two parties — then you are the type of voter that each party cherishes, relies on, and loves to count and court as a member.

Atlantas full of it

February 16th, 2010
9:04 pm

It amazes me how many people are spewing hate toward police on this blog. This bill was introduced by a representative, not a cop. Next time you’re in trouble call a critic.

PIG

February 16th, 2010
10:21 pm

Mr. Liberty, sounds Luke your not happy here in the good ol’ USA! Do us all a favor and movie else where!

Blago, looks like you got the smallest set of balls on here, hince your statements! Also, notice that I said ” most” not ” everyone” and again you ate the winner of the smallest marbles of the day award!

Oh, and power trip….yeah let’s see if it was a power thing, then I would have the power to see people whom I lock up stay for awhile in jail rather than to be able to bond out before my paperwork is complete. The power to be able to comfort a woman who has been beaten half to death and tell her he’s never coming back again. If I had the power….I would lock up everyone who is involved in some kind of sex crimes towards children. But you see at the end of the day when it’s all said and done, the system is controlled by the jury. See people like you at the ones who cry, give them another chance, he can’t help it he had no father at home….sad truth is that they made a choice to do wrong…wrong choices means they should be punished! But, as long as we have great citizens like you in out jury boxes then those people who do wrong and go unpunished gain more strengh from your weakness to do the right thing. See at the end of the day the very person you would plea for to have another chance would be the very last person you would invite over for dinner!

You know nothing about the real world! It’s obvious that you only know what you read about in the paper or watch on the news. Why don’t you go to your local Police Department and ask to do a ride-a-long and if you do that let me offer you a bit of advice….make sure you take your penny loafers off and put on a pair of boots…..because s*^t in real world gets deep!

You don’t become a police officer for the money, it’s about serving and giving to others! The benefits of my job are great! Have you ever saved someones life? I have a little six month old girl who wasn’t breathing…..I was able to provide CPR and she made it! That benefit is priceless!

Blago

February 17th, 2010
8:27 am

PIG – Again, there you go on your power trip. I didn’t mean that you are a police officer to exercise any real power. In your case, it just means that you clearly think you’re better than everyone else because you’re a cop.

You don’t know the first thing about me (other than the fact that I’m not a police officer, and I don’t care for the way you personally represent you or your profession), but you have made broad, sweeping assumptions and accusations about me.

On another note, it’s because of people like you that it’s a good thing we have things like juries. I have no more desire than anyone else to let a guilty person go unpunished. But an individual being arrested by the likes of you does not automatically make him/her guilty (especially since your attitude here makes you seem like you believe everyone is guilty of something).

David S is an idiot

February 17th, 2010
9:47 am

Enough Said!

PIG

February 17th, 2010
11:37 am

Blago- and again you get it all wrong. Power-trip defined: An action undertaken chiefly for the gratification ASSOCIATED with the exercise of power over another or others. Can’t have one without the other.

Anyway, you are correct as to the fact that I don’t personally know you…but, your statements made above are the same ones I have heard over and over and over again. See you are trying to get involved in something you really know nothing about. I have no problem in the fact of your arguing about the government trying to do something for a certain group of people. I complain as well if I don’t agree. You also can’t lump all LEO in the same arena because of a few bad apples. Which bad apples are hired in all types of business, but eventually and hopefully they are weeded out. You can’t arrest someone with out Probable Cause which is defined as: reasonable ground for a belief, as, in a criminal case, that the accused was guilty of the crime, or, in a civil case, that grounds for the action existed: used esp. as a defense to an action for malicious prosecution. My profession is governed by this hence we have to adhere to it. My personal opinions and beliefs cannot be written in a report and can’t be used in my decision making to arrest or not to arrest. The facts,evidence and the Georgia LEO Handbook of Criminal Law and Procedure are my tools to use to make an arrest. So, if all the elements line up then they are guilty and therefore they are taking to jail. The key to staying out of court is making good cases out on the street. After an arrest is made it is in the hands of the Solicitors and District Attorneys Office. That is were all the wheeling and dealing is done. Plea bargains, dropping of charges in exchange of your testimony, etc. Until you have sit in a courtroom all day and watched people get off of cases after forensic evidence was produced and all the elements fit that particular crime go scott-free, then you can feel and know the frustation that most police officers feel. I was told in the police academy,” make good arrest and after they go to jail, then don’t worry about the outcome”. Didn’t truly understand what he was talking about until after my 1st year as a LEO. I can’t worry about what the jury decides, because you don’t know what kind of verdict your going to get.

Unless you have been a cop then you really will never understand no matter how many times we keep typing back and forth. I wasn’t always a cop and after leaving the private workforce to become a LEO my eyes were open to how the world really is. I would never try to convince anyone that my profession is better or more important than other jobs in our community, but what would happen if we didn’t have laws and LEO and other public safety administrators in place? Figure out a solution to this and you shall become a rich man! Even If I wasn’t in LEO I rather see money spent on people who actually deserve a helping hand than someone abusing the system so they can get free groceries and rent paid for every month and/or lets build another park because 20 in our county isn’t enough. If you have time check out this link: http://www.copinthehood.com/ and on the right side of the page you can click on “Read Chapter 1″. Would give you a good view of what we deal with. Just like the private world we all know and especially with the government, state and federal that things should be a lot better. Unless, we offer a solution to the problem then our words are with no actions which means, no change.

I leave this forum with these last words….continue to rant and rave about government and the way money is spent wrongly and I shall join you in that fight…but I will be against you and anyone else who knocks a profession that they know nothing about other than watching “Cops” and “Dog the Bounty Hunter”!

General Sherman

February 17th, 2010
11:50 am

Fair Tax,Fair Tax,Did I say Fair Tax.If you buy you pay,enought said!

SuzyQ

February 18th, 2010
12:31 am

Who are the East Cobb lunatics that keep electing this clown. Step-up and apologize to the rest of the State!

Steve B

February 18th, 2010
12:31 pm

WOW!!! All I can say is WOW!!! I have read all of the post and sit here ashamed…Yes there are some bad apples in the bunch of Law Enforcement. But Georgia just had a LEO shot down in the line of duty. And you people on here sit and bash Law Enforcment. How do you thing that family would feel right now reading all of this???? You people that just complain need to grow up. I bet the only reason you are mad with police is the fact you got a ticket for doing something wrong!

I don’t agree with giving just one group of people a tax break. But I do support law enforcement. They do put there lives on the line everyday. And how some of you people on here say a store clerk puts his life on the line. That is crazy to put a store clerk in the same boat with law enforcment. I mean think about it you put you live on the line everytime you get behind the wheel of a vehicle and drive. But do you or could you go into a family dispute or go running at gun fire of try to catch those people who are consider armed and dangerous? Ask yourself that question? I say go to your local police department and ask to do a ride along? Then when you see what being in Law Enforcement is all about you might change your mind!!It is not like TV or anything else. People you need to worry about what is best for this state, and not worrry about everything else….

4 P.Spgs rejects

February 20th, 2010
1:36 pm

Ha….Give me back my things that were stolen from me when you had the authority to get them. Protect and serve..Bull with a capital S. P.Spgs (90%) cops will arrest the wrong person, make out some dumb report, hold evidence from the court, refuse to give stolen property back to it’s rightful owner, and then arrest someone for trying to get justice by going over their heads…Pay my taxes since I do your job for you by finding the ones who robbed my home and almost getting injured because you refused to believe the robbers would be back…

Charlotte

March 19th, 2010
7:34 pm

Idiot, there is no annuity fund that pays them a percent of the tickets they write. Everyone on here complaining about cop’s pay and retirement benefits…you put a bullet proof vest on, work OT you don’t get paid for, deal with the general stupidity of the public, see the dredges of humanity on a daily basis…oh, and risk getting shot by anyone at anytime and then come tell me you don’t think they should get more. Oh, and numerous studies have shown that a reduction in police officers increases crime because people are NOT generally good! There job is to enforce the law…whether they agree with it or not. It’s their damn pledge. You don’t like getting a ticket or going to jail, don’t break the law. Just like you have to do things at your job that you don’t like…they do too. The disdain from some of the comments on here is disgusting and I’m pretty sure those you who so passionately speak out have probably been in some trouble. Keep spouting your stupidity…i’m sure you’ll be in prison someday and it will be the cop’s fault because you are innocent and you can keep thinking that everytime you drop the soap.