State sued for cutting pay of top teachers

The Professional Association of Georgia Educators, the state’s largest teacher group, has filed a lawsuit against the state for cutting the 10 percent salary supplements going to about 2,500 National Board Certified teachers.

PAGE is requesting that a Fulton County Superior Court judge reinstate the supplements, which were cut from 10 percent to 5.2 percent by lawmakers seeking to slash spending this year. The change cost many of the top teachers $2,500 to $4,000.

“We file this lawsuit reluctantly,” PAGE Executive Director Allene Magill said. “We worked very hard with legislators to prevent them from creating this problem during the last session. We told them that if they wanted to bring the program to an end that they would need to honor their commitment to those who had already earned the certification.”

Bert Brantley, spokesman for Gov. Sonny Perdue, said the state will defend its action to cut the supplements. “The law is what it is and we’re going to follow it,” he said.

State teachers who earn national board certification have been getting salary supplements for more than a decade. They say they were promised a 10 percent pay supplement if they went through the certification process, which can often take more than a year and costs $2,500.

Perdue proposed eliminating the supplements entirely this year, but lawmakers included enough money to pay about a 5.2 percent supplement. Some school districts have not paid anything because they worry the financially strapped state won’t reimburse them for even the 5. 2 percent supplement.

Legislators also passed a law saying the supplements would be paid in the future “subject to appropriations,” meaning the General Assembly may not fund them at all in the future.

Several gubernatorial candidates, including former Gov. Roy Barnes, House Minority Leader DuBose Porter (D-Dublin) and Insurance Commissioner John Oxendine, have spoken out against the supplement cuts.

“We believe that the amounts of salary national board teachers will be losing places an unduly harsh burden upon them,” said Magill. “While all educators shared in the cost of furlough days, this action singles out a relatively small group of the state’s most highly certified teachers and takes several thousand dollars of salary from each of them.”

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ugaaccountant

October 9th, 2009
4:36 pm

Unions = A terrible way to sort out pay. In this case, the so called “top teachers” essentially bought that designation. While there is some merit to this certification, prior articles have shown it’s very flawed as a method of identifying top teachers.

The state needs to reexamine it’s priorities. Cutting the education budget is not the answer. Instead cut other agencies entirely that have no reason to be a government function.

DaveDawg

October 9th, 2009
4:54 pm

Anyone surprised that Perdue isn’t honoring a commitment? He got elected by saying one thing and then doing another. In fact, his lies, deception and disloyalty to those who elected him may top that of Zig Zag Zell when all is said and done. What a fantastic legacy Perdue is making for himself.

jdawg

October 9th, 2009
4:59 pm

Roy has said he now will listen….hmmm…happens everytime we elect someone….they forget…..

longtime teacher

October 9th, 2009
5:11 pm

First I signed a contract that said I would be paid for 190 days’ work. He broke it by taking away three of those days. If I don’t honor it, I could lose my teaching certificate. Then, he broke the law passed by the legislature stating that my National Board Certification would earn me a 10 percent raise. I can’t get a refund on even a portion of the time or money it cost me personally. What next- he’s going to force me to work for free in order to plan instruction for my students by taking away teacher workdays? Wait- too late. Is Waffle House hiring?

Mad that you teachers waste my money then sue me too

October 9th, 2009
5:31 pm

Georgia Teachers = horrible results.. Fire them right after we clean out congress and make them reapply.. Plenty of well qualified people looking to work

Tony

October 9th, 2009
5:35 pm

ugaaccountant, I don’t know where you got your information about national board certified teachers, but I can tell you that what you stated above is deeply flawed. The certification process is quite rigorous and only those who are committed to the profession are likely to finish.

Second, the governor’s office misrepresented research reports that show the teachers do make a difference for students. The quality of instruction in their classrooms is quite good, and the teachers are in demand for their level of understanding of how to teach.

The legislature, governer, and other politicians of this state have never kept promises to Georgia’s teachers and I don’t expect they ever will. Thank you PAGE for pursuing this course of action.

Beck

October 9th, 2009
5:35 pm

I would be happy to re-apply for my job and know that I would be re-hired. I love my job and my kids and work my butt off to do it, and enjoy almost every minute of it.

Stop being so negative “Mad.”

shan

October 9th, 2009
5:59 pm

I am sick of how society view teachers. My husband is a teacher who earned his National Board a few years ago. It wasn’t easy, in fact he said it was as hard as finishing his PhD. He gives his students 110%. He hasn’t had a raise in 5 years and we now pay more money for our insurance. Something has to be done. Take money from the governor, legislature and other politicians, not our teachers. I know we are in a recession, but taking money from teachers who are not paid what they are worth is disgusting. I applaud PAGE! Politicians need to remember just how many Educators are in the State of Georgia, especially when is comes to Re-Election time….

teacherman

October 9th, 2009
6:00 pm

First, I am a teacher and really who cares about National Board Certification? It doesn’t mean anything. Just like masters and doctorates don’t either. They are done online and cost a lot of money and that is just bout it. On the other hand, for those who criticize teachers relentlessly…I suggest trying it. Its the hardest job I have ever performed. Period.

Shawn

October 9th, 2009
6:04 pm

To the person that is “Mad”, why don’t you go to a classroom and actually see what a teacher is required to do on a daily basis before you complain about something you know nothing about. I guarantee you probably wouldn’t be able to handle the workload.

[...] AJC reporter James Salzer says the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, the state’s largest teacher group, is suing the state for cutting the 10 percent salary supplements going to about 2,500 National Board Certified teachers [...]

THE OBGYN

October 9th, 2009
6:11 pm

longtime teacher – seriously? Don’t be so dramatic. If you’ve had that certification more than a year you have already been paid back for your “costs”. Not to mention unless your in one of the few districts that can’t afford to risk paying the 5.2% your still getting more than any other teacher with your same tenure.

Firing all the teachers isn’t going to work. But putting some competition out there will help. School choice where the money follows the students is about the only way to keep the Government School System Viable. Of course their Union will fight that until the death. Gotta protect the worthless ones at the cost of the actual decent teachers out there. Just like any union.

Bill

October 9th, 2009
6:13 pm

The entire Georgia teacher compensation plan needs to be scrapped and a new pay plan developed from scratch – taxpayers need some accountability and responsiblity associated with elevated pay. The years and degrees along with National Certification has proven useless !.

THE OBGYN

October 9th, 2009
6:21 pm

I’d agree that taking money from teachers as a whole is wrong. When lean times come along special programs have to go.

Take money from other places first. I completely agree. Reduce Sonny’s salary and everyone below him first. Cut out entitlement programs. Tighten the proverbial belt so to speak. Education, and public safety should be the last of the cuts. I’d have supported this 4.8% cut for the “elite” few before I’d support the furlough for everyone.

That said. I’d agree that teachers as a whole are in need of more money but with the system as it is right now there are WAY too many who just dial it in. It’s a system in need of change even more than our health care system.

THE OBGYN

October 9th, 2009
6:22 pm

Amen to that bill. Such as home owners being the majority of those that foot the education bill while renters pay nothing? But now we are getting on an entirely different animal.

SGADawgette

October 9th, 2009
6:25 pm

Just curious to know where PAGE was with the lawsuit when teachers were told to work for free 3 days, although their contracts specify being paid for 190. Guess those folks don’t make enough or aren’t powerful enough in the PAGE ranks.

MariLaTica

October 9th, 2009
6:27 pm

Mad – You seem to have a real problem with teachers. Are you self-educated? Have you never had a teacher? Did they do such a terrible job?

I get so tired of people acting like teaching, especially these days, is like going for a stroll through the park on a breezy sunny day. I’ve worked in the corporate world and now teach. Being a teacher is more than a job. It is a lifestyle.

When most people leave work/clock out, they’re done! Teachers, on the other hand, never stop. We come in early to get things ready for the day. We often work during lunch (grading, sitting with our students while they eat, making copies, etc.). We’re expected to stay late for faculty meetings, parent conferences, PTA meetings, school performances, games, etc. without overtime pay. We become counselors to our students because they’d rather talk to us about their problems than their parents. We make sure they’re feeling okay. We provide them with tissue for their runny noses, hand sanitizer, feminine products when they have accidents. We give them hugs when they need them, whether because they are sad or we’re proud of something they’ve accomplished. And the list goes on.

For all that, we get paid around $40k a year, we have higher health care costs, we have to buy our own supplies, and deal with all the crap from students, parents and administrators. And you think we’re wasting your money?!

Roy B.

October 9th, 2009
6:30 pm

I’m sure the UGA Grad turned down plenty of federal money to honor his political party, over education. Think about that simple fact the next time you vote in the primary. If you think hard it should be a no-brainer. But, just for the tone deaf: http://www2.wjbf.com/jbf/news/state_regional/georgia/article/governor_perdue_georgia_may_turn_down_part_of_stimulus_money/11201/

bad teachers

October 9th, 2009
7:21 pm

I went to a school where bullying was not only ignored by teachers in some cases it was encouraged. 20 years later my niece went through the same thing with some of the same teachers. I learned more by educating myself than I ever did from a school teacher, as did most people I know. Teachers salaries should be based on merit, what results they actually get from students, not senority. Until the bad teachers are fired Georgia schools will always be substandard.

Many USG Faculty and Staff & K-12 Teachers

October 9th, 2009
7:41 pm

We applaud PAGE for taking this legal step!

If there was some legislative accountability by the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia to someone other than themselves, then perhaps the blatant misuse of appropriations by the BOR in their over $7 million in deferred “bonuses” to USG presidents and chancellors would not be taking place.

Those funds alone could have assisted in preventing the state from cutting the 10 percent salary supplements going to about 2,500 National Board Certified teachers.

But then again, as reporter Dick Yarbrough implied recently, there is strong speculation that Governor Perdue has been approached about becoming the next President of UGA. Perdue would not want accountability by the BOR to be returned as it would affect the millions in salary and deferred compensations that he would be given after his term as governor – like Michael Adams is currently receiving (see below). Perdue is not going to bite the hand that will be feeding him millions next year!

Governor Perdue and Legislators are simply not listening and civil court appears to be the only venue for hard-working and dedicated USG faculty, staff and K-12 Teachers. We understand that a Georgia Whistleblower Protection Act case has been filed in Fulton County Superior Court for many unethical practices that Perdue and the State Office of Inspector General Office’s chose not to address – clearly for the reasons mentioned in the above paragraph and others to be made public just two months before the election next year (September 2010).

Jim Walls of Atlanta Unfiltered reported on October 5, 2009 many of these misappropriations – approved by the Board of Regents’ through deferred compensations (a.k.a. “golden parachutes”) – from state and foundation funds:

$1,820,697 — Wayne Clough, former Georgia Tech president (includes $500,000 cash, a $38,000 car and a split-dollar life insurance policy valued at $750,000 from the foundation)
$1,666,639 — Carl Patton, retired Georgia State University president
$1,573,606 — Michael Adams, UGA president (includes $786,106 due from the UGA Foundation as of June 2008)
$600,000 — David Bell, Macon State University president (includes $400,000 due from the Macon State foundation)
$495,990 — Thomas Meredith, former University System chancellor (includes $180,990 from the University System of Georgia Foundation)
$480,000 — Daniel Rahn, Medical College of Georgia president
$262,500 — Erroll B. Davis Jr., University System chancellor
$127,000 — Beheruz Sethna, University of West Georgia president
$90,000 — Dan Papp, Kennesaw State University foundation
$75,000 — Bud Peterson, Georgia Tech president since April 1
$7,191,432 – Total

Link to Atlanta Unfiltered’s full story:
http://www.atlantaunfiltered.com/2009/10/05/university-execs-deferred-pay-often-hidden-tops-7-million/

Winfield J. Abbe

October 9th, 2009
8:05 pm

The State of Georgia must honor its committment to teachers. However, remember what Mr. Perdue promised with the flag issue and how he dishonored that promise? How many of you stood with those citizens on that issue? Remember how Mr. Perdue was once a Democrat but now a Republican? Do not be surprised that he and his cronies would abandon you.
As a student I have had many wonderful teachers who were likely paid much less than most of you make today. As a taxpayer, our family is forced not just to pay back for what was provided to us by public education in another state, but pay year in and year out forever through property taxation. In a few weeks we must pony up another $13,000 over half of which goes to public education and our son graduated almost 30 years ago. If we do not pay our property is confiscated from us.
While I respect education and teachers, I do not respect most administrators, principals and superintendents, who, for the most part are the scum that rose to the top. Most hold the “easy” degree of Ed.D. How may principals do you know who have a Ph.D. in engineering or physics or mathematics or English or History or Chemistry from a top school? Also, how many of you teachers stood with a colleague when the chips were down, when a cowardly, incompetent principal or superintendent sought to fire them for speaking out on vital issues? How many of you will stand together now on this issue? The dismal facts are that most teachers in Georgia are gutless cowards unwilling to stick their necks out for anything, because it is so easy for administrators to chop it off, and also because of personal selfishness, placing self above other higher principles. The law much be changed to provide teachers more power and reduce the autocratic power of incompetent and arrogant principals and other administrators. But the lawmakers and politicians observe that most teachers won’t stand up for anything, so it is not surprising they push you around. Resign en masse. That would send a message to the corrupt incompetent and cowardly lawmakers and politicians of Georgia. But of course you would not do that; it is every man or woman for themselves as usual isn’t it? Nothing ever really changes in the corrupt cesspool Georgia.

Winfield J. Abbe, Ph.D., Physics

Winfield J. Abbe

October 9th, 2009
8:12 pm

In line -8 above, much should read must.

historydawg

October 10th, 2009
12:34 am

Here goes Winfield, making claims that are unwarranted, false, and bigoted. The reason we pay teachers and the reason he pays taxes which fund schools is because the United States is a democracy and communities have historically accepted the responsibility to educate future generations in order to preserve the Republic (e.g. Jefferson, etc.). Of course, Winfield is ignorant to historical realities and blinded by his own self-inflated ego and longing to shirk his responsibility to his neighbors. Calling teachers cowardly is about as nonsensical as calling Winfield opinion educated and legitimate. He is not even aware of higher education; many colleges including Harvard only award EdD’s, and many of these degrees require the exact same requirements. Teachers are most thankful that ignorant Physics PhD’s are not making erroneously claims on education, denying history, and undermining the nature of American democratic life. If Winfield is so courageous, why wont he address the comments which have over and over again proven him fallacious and moronic? Probably because he cannot read.

Michael

October 10th, 2009
1:30 am

Renters pay rent and their landlords pay property taxes, ergo, renters pay into school taxes. Without unions teachers wouldn’t get anything but southerners have this gag reaction to unions because they have been spoonfed anti-union propaganda their whole lives. And I still can’t get over the 2 months off, Christmas and spring break holidays teachers get and still complain about low pay.

TnGelding

October 10th, 2009
4:11 am

Reluctantly? Unduly harsh? Get real! Welcome to the world!

We need to reassess the entire public education system. Talk about waste, fraud and abuse. There has to be a better way in the 21st century. In reality, we can’t even afford to bus the students to school.

Mad at anybody who'd be mad at a teacher

October 10th, 2009
7:18 am

If you think teaching is so damned easy, then get off your butt, go back to school for an unwarranted amount of time and certification and try doing it yourself. Check back with me in 190 days and tell me how wonderfully easy it is. Then, have society and the governor crap down your throat at the end of every year and blame you for every social ill that exists on this planet.

Bottom line, just like in any profession, there are some who are horrible at education but there are many who are very good at teaching youth. When compared to others with similar educational backgrounds, teachers are grossly underpaid already. Don’t give me that crap about “you only work 190 days” or “you don’t work long hours”. I switched from private sector to education and I can recall countless hours each week spent sitting around doing nothing in between meetings and enjoying hour long lunch breaks. No such luck in education…I have to take my work home with me, I coach, and I serve on various school committees that require extra hours. I work from 7 am to 7 pm at my school, get a 25 minute lunch break, and usually spend half my Sundays grading assessments from the week. I’ve been doing it for ten years and don’t even break 50k, and I have a master’s degree.

Again, I challenge anyone who thinks it’s an easy job…come on and try it.

stine

October 10th, 2009
7:56 am

When they lose the case, the state’s cost of defending the lawsuit should be taken from the PACE member’s salaries, preferably in a lump-sum type of arrangment.

cynthia

October 10th, 2009
9:01 am

Be thankful you are getting any raise; other folks and state employees are not. Your certification will pay off in the long run and you are short sighted to think about it in terms of the current year. By making a stink and costing taxpayers additional costs related to the lawsuit, you will only do you cause harm and p@#$ people off, along with giving them ammunition regarding union opinions (right or wrong). Suck it up like everyone else and you’ll get raises like everyone else in a few years. If you don’t like it, then leave and make more money doing something else if money is your concern although I doubt you’ll be able to do it in this economy and will not leave because of your pension benefits).

I is a teechur

October 10th, 2009
9:11 am

I am a public school teacher but I also think that PAGE and the other unions are a joke. As father Boortz teaches, they are one of the greatest threats to our country. I do not join the unions because they are full of misguided idiots. NBCT teachers did the certification simply for he money; if they tell you it was for some altruistic reason to enhance their abilities, they’re full of B.S. My education courses in college were a joke. I made up everything I turned in, meant nothing I ever said in a class discussion, and laughed internally at the education professors who rarely had any experiential evidence to back up the crack-pot notions they were expressing. Those classes were done simply to get my renewable certification so that I can continue teaching the kids.
I better go now, I have an assignment due for my Strayer University master’s degree online program. HA!

Ignorance is bliss

October 10th, 2009
9:47 am

Every idiot complaining about unions on this page should realize that PAGE is not a union. It is the “non-union” teachers group in Georgia. The GAE (Ga Assc of Educators) is the union in Georgia and they were lovely people who got Perdue elected along with the flaggers.

This is not simply a decision about a raise, it’s a broken promise. It’s one more step down the road of making our state (and eventually our country) unable to compete. Welcome to the first generation in American history that is about to leave the next generation in worse shape than we found it. But don’t feel bad, Boortz will be back on the radio on Monday morning and you can get your education through him (talk about a brain drain).

mystery poster

October 10th, 2009
9:50 am

I told my colleagues long ago that they would be far better off to get another degree than to get the National Board Certification. I saw that writing on the wall years ago.

And Cynthia, no one is getting a pay RAISE, they’re getting a 5.2% bonus instead of a 40%, which results in a pay decrease.

mystery poster

October 10th, 2009
9:51 am

Oops, I wish there was a 40% bonus! That should’ve been 10%.

dawgfan1911

October 10th, 2009
10:05 am

I agree that teaching is a hard job and that most teachers are over worked and under paid. I have been teaching for 8 years now and it seems like it get harder and harder each year.Accountability is through the roof and administrators are putting more pressure on teachers to make sure students are passing their standardized test. The organization that sued the government should be applauded for their efforts, however, why is it that they didnt fight for the teachers who are not recceiving supplemental pay? National Board Certification does not say that you are a good teacher. It just that you did some extra work to get extra pay and there is nothing worng with that. I dobt have a Masters or any type of National Certification, but I am willing to bet that I can out teach a National Board teacher anytime any place. I know my subject matter. I know how to get the students involved and interested in the subject matter and thats what make s a good teacher. To defend the teachers, eliminate teaching all together and let the parents teach their own kids. Then we will see if any of the kids will turn out to be anything. I doubt it based on the fact that some parents need to go back to school anyway.

teachforareason

October 10th, 2009
11:32 am

National Board Certification makes me a better qualified teacher. Anyone can look at my students and their assessments and know that I am better for it. I was promised this extra pay each year and then was told within 4 weeks that I would not get paid. I did not have enough time to even alter my finances because this happened so quick. We had no idea this would happen so fast. It is not fair . . . Governor Purdue has lead this state well for the past years, but he has now lost my respect and my support. He has pretty much “lied” to us. I’m extremely disappointed in his leadership as well as that of the lawmakers agreeing to this change.

Cate Hernandez

October 10th, 2009
11:34 am

I am a nationally board certified elementary P.E. teacher who came to Georgia in 2003 partially because of the NBCT bonus. We have just qualified for the National Association of Sport and Physical Education’s Stars Award for Outstanding Physical Education Program (the only elementary school currently in Georgia and 1 of 20 in the nation). We Nationally Board Certified Teachers do go above and beyond and we do make a difference in the lives and future of our students. Georgia is lucky to have us and it’s a shame that our governor chooses to try and solve the budget issues on our backs.

bad teachers

October 10th, 2009
6:20 pm

He’s a republican, of course he lied to you. Open your eyes

Maureen's accountability metric

October 11th, 2009
2:48 am

Those who are, apparently unlike the AJC, willing to look at this lawsuit with a critical eye might easily see it as a public relations stunt by an organization many feel is weak when it comes to advocating for teachers. An attempt, if you will, to shore up its teacher base by trying to prove it’s “standing up for teachers” in the wake of recent furloughs

If you need an analogy, imagine Barry Manilow doing a photo shoot with T.I. or 50 Cent in an attempt to establish himself as “gangsta” with the ever compliant the AJC taking on the role of Perez Hilton and TMZ.

My apologies to TMZ, as most likely they would be highly offended by having their gravitas compared to that of the AJC.

Of course you can’t blame PAGE, because unlike even Perez Hilton, the AJC has proven it will gladly play the role of public relations hack when it comes to PAGE’s “stand” for teachers with its steadfast refusal to ask even the most lightweight of questions.

But for those who want to go further that the AJC apparently wants you to go, a more telling example of how PAGE “advocates” for teachers, might be PAGE’s reaction to teacher furloughs in an editorial in this very paper.

Did PAGE call for any cuts in administrative bureaucracy, even as school systems such as DeKalb were creating new administrative positions such as “corporate wellness director” while cutting teacher retirement benefits?

Did PAGE call for any cuts to administrative bureaucracy, even as some systems furloughed teachers, but didn’t furlough various administrative positions?

No PAGE, took to pages of this very paper and suggested what teachers need to do, is to “give themselves a raise” and act more professional.

School systems all across Georgia furlough teachers, and it’s the teachers who need to act more professional? An organization is given prime editorial space in the AJC and this is the “stand” it takes for teachers?

But did the AJC editorial board call PAGE on their silence on administrative cuts? Of course not, that would require the AJC to take a real stand, and that might offend some of the business interests that Maureen swears have no impact at all on the AJC. The AJC having any ties to the business community in Atlanta? Perish the thought!

And where exactly is Anne Cox Chambers on the Forbes list of 400 richest Americans this year? Number 26? No business interests there, I’m sure.

No, you won’t see the AJC editorial board asking any tough questions about PAGE’s “stand”. Heck, given the editorial board and what they no doubt consider a “strong stand” on the CRCT cheating scandal, it wouldn’t be shocking to see Andre Jackson penning an editorial likening PAGE Executive Director Allene Magill and her latest “stand” to Leonidas and the 300 at Thermopylae.

Of course those who are offended at the suggestion that Allene Magill and PAGE haven’t quite reached the level of Leonidas and the 300 are more than welcome to come on this blog.

Maybe they can explain why PAGE, when given prime editorial space in the AJC to respond to furloughs, suggested teachers “give themselves a raise” but did not, to the best of my memory of the editorial, offer a single word about cutting the educational bureaucracy?

I wouldn’t hold my breath though. I doubt even the great Leonidas would want to defend that position.

Maureen's accountability metric

October 11th, 2009
3:01 am

SGADawgette if you want to know where PAGE was while teachers were being furloughed, look no further than the AJC.

While other organizations were calling for a 25% cut to the administrative bureaucracy that hamstrings teachers across this state, PAGE instead took to the editorial pages of the AJC; not to suggest any cuts to the educational bureaucracy, but instead to suggest that teachers “give themselves a raise” by acting more professional.

In a cruel twist of fate, the AFLAC duck, upon reading the editorial, took such a hard double take, he needed supplemental insurance to treat his neck injuries.

Good luck with that lawsuit

October 11th, 2009
8:40 am

EmBelle

October 11th, 2009
7:16 pm

As a National Board Professional Teacher, I did some research on the the New State Budget and noticed that several Judges making over $100,000 were given Raises!!!!! Should Anybody get a raise when underpaid teachers are already finding it hard to paid their bills, as well as, having to pay for supplies for the children out of their own pockets. Anyone who complains that teachers have it easy and have a great Schedule with summers off, etc. need to spend about two weeks in a first grade classroom and then follow the teacher home and see that she/he goes home and takes care of a family as well as working late into the night on school work and lesson plans, because she has no time free during her day. You will also find many teachers working through the summer even though they are not getting paid, because teachers do not have enough preplanning time to get ready for the year before school starts! Most teachers are very dedicated and work very hard, even with the disrespect they get from those of you who choose to criticize. The State approved a bonus for new Math and Science teachers while taking it away from those of us who already earned our bonus. Beware Math and Science Teachers!!!! This could be taken away from you when you need it most. Purdue would not have won the election with out the teacher vote, which his opponent grossly underestimated.

bad teachers

October 11th, 2009
7:30 pm

If teachers were the saints you all make them out to be Georgia wouldn’t be at the bottom in test scores. My experience is that teachers think way more highly of themselves than they should be, most are egotistical, bullying and obnoxious human beings

you're all stupid!

October 12th, 2009
12:30 pm

So I guess you would all prefer that there were NO teachers?! Just fire us all? Let your dumb children get dumber? Or should I say, as dumb as you are? Do you plan to home school? Do you really think you can do better?

You know, it’s because of attitudes like these that make me (and many of my colleagues) want to quit and/or not give a hoot! As far as I’m concerned, you can take your snot-nosed kids and keep them at home. Let’s see how well they run this country when you’re older. You’ll be scared and this country will be more of a waste dump than it is now!

Why can’t we put forth more efforts and support in our educational system nationwide??????

sickoffoolishness

October 12th, 2009
3:40 pm

I’m sick of the foolishness! I too am a teacher and I am going to stop getting all of this professional development, etc. without getting paid for it. People are real quick to say we suck in GA education, but real slow to encourage us getting paid. Last I checked, you pay for what you want! You want to get good quality education for these kids, you better start paying teachers! Or the ones who are trying to teach their butts off will stop! Mark my word. Then you see how bad education really is. Oh yeah…to those who feel GA education sucks, what state is better? I wonder how much they get paid….

bad teachers

October 12th, 2009
6:05 pm

I dont have children and if I did I sure as heck wouldnt let public school in Georgia educate them. Teachers are overpaid and overrated. Teachers pay should be based on the achivements of their students which of course you will raise ten kinds of cain about because you know you would be making 50 cents an hour. Get over your own self importance, a high school educated parent with half a brain and the right motivation could do ten times the job you do as log as religion is kept out of the mix.

bad teachers

October 12th, 2009
6:22 pm

God! Teachers egos have grown out of control. Idiots!

Hard working Teacher

October 12th, 2009
8:45 pm

After 17 years of teaching and a master’s, I recently decided to look for a way to improve my instruction. I reviewed the National Board process and looked at the coursework for a Specialist’s degree. I chose to work to earn my NB certification because the work is entirely focused on my teaching and the experiences of my students. For 9 months, I created class lessons focused on teaching content and critical thinking skills, assessed my student’s academic growth, retaught and evaluated again. The process was the most grueling, yet rewarding professional exercise in my career. My students benefited from my research and the self-reflection that led to better instruction. I focused on National Board because I spend each summer strengthening my content knowledge. In the past three summers, I have studied with renown professors from Yale, Columbia, Northwestern, Harvard and NYU. This is how I (and many teachers with me) spend our “summers off.”

I do agree with the comments that there are many teachers who do not perform in the classroom. Having also worked in the business world, I found the same types of behaviors in my offices.

While people are quick to point their fingers at teachers, I have yet to hear anyone question whether there are larger factors at play. What about the student whose parent is so involved in her/his soccer that the child spends more time at practice after school and on the weekends than studying or completing homework? What about the child who was never taught the basic school skills needed to succeed? What about the classes that we teach without access to textbooks because of budget cuts?

I find the whole debate very sad. Yes, I knew that I would never make a large salary teaching, but I did expect integrity and respect for the legal contracts I am obligated to sign to fulfill my passion with students.

[...] AJC reporter James Salzer says the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, the state’s largest teacher group, is suing the state for cutting the 10 percent salary supplements going to about 2,500 National Board Certified teachers [...]

jordan

October 13th, 2009
9:31 am

I have NB certification and I resent your comment that I received it just because I paid for it. I have 3 degrees and none were as difficult or time consuming. I also feel that the process made me a better teacher, and I can say the same for all of the teachers I know who have earned this certification. By not giving the money that was promised and the state mandated furloughs and my districts pay cuts I have lost a significant portion of my salary (more than those around me because I happen to be in this group). I would be ok with any cuts tied to recertification or newly certified, but the governor should have honored the commitments already made.

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World Way

October 15th, 2009
12:53 pm

Sad to say it’s the way of the world. I’m glad the teachers are sticking together through this. I am a former technical teacher who quit my teaching job because the administration would not follow the state rules dealing with student situations. I somewhat agree that there are those who do not stick up for what they believe. It is true teachers are different than others….they do put their whole lives into what they do. They live, eat, and breathe their jobs! For what? Surely not the excellent state pay!! Think about it. Don’t criticize until you walk in their shoes! I say go for it teachers!!! Fight for it. I’d rather spend money backing you than “GO FISH”….http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/10/26/perdue-to-taxpayers-go-fish-to-hell/ . I wish you well!

BidRed

October 25th, 2009
7:47 am

Hey teachers, all you got to do is get a second job. Stop whining. I hear Walmart is hiring holiday help.

NBCT Teacher

May 27th, 2010
10:41 pm

There are only 2,500 NBCT in Georgia. My husband and I are both one of those 2,500. Our combined pay loss is roughly $900 per month. This loss is more than our childcare payment for our newborn son. We don’t have a large house. We don’t drive fancy cars – WE’RE TEACHERS. $900.00 a month to most people may be NOTHING AT ALL, but to us, it is devastating. We are already trying to think about how to make ends meet, but no matter what we choose, taking on an additional job will cause us to have to spend less time with each other, and we only had three hours in the evenings to spend together anyway, because teachers DO work from 7AM – 7PM……oh wait, the GOOD teachers work those kind of hours…..you know, the ones who actually CARE about their students’ progress…….like NBCTs. (Sigh.) Thank you, Georgia legislators, for ruining what little time I had left with my family by forcing us to take on a 2nd job. Un-freaking-believable.