Update II: GOP senators plan move to stop health care reform in Georgia

A group of Republican state senators on Thursday said they want to amend the state’s Constitution in an attempt to stop Democrats in Washington from enforcing health care reform here.

Sens. Judson Hill (R-Marietta) and Chip Rogers (R-Marietta) were joined by about half a dozen colleagues to unveil their plans. The resolution would be introduced when lawmakers return in January.

The proposed amendment would, Hill and Rogers said, would allow Georgia to invoke the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. That amendment says that any power not explicitly granted the federal government in the Constitution is preserved for the states.

Hill and Rogers argue that the health care reform bill being debated in Congress would violate the 10th Amendment and that their state amendment would protect Georgia from having to participate in any federal reform.

“The 10th Amendment protects us from such federal mandates,” Hill said. “United we stand to protect Georgians, united we stand to protect these freedoms for Georgians.”

But when asked if the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which grants Congress the right to regulate and enforce matters related to interstate commerce, would interfere with their plan, Hill could not say.

“The 10th amendment allows any state to preserve their own rights,” Hill said. “We’re saying this is one right that is preserved for all Georgians and is not delegated out to the United States government.”

Asked if Medicare, which is government-run health care for seniors, would also then be unconstitutional, Hill said, “That’s a good question. I don’t know yet. We’ll fight that battle when it comes before us.”

He and Rogers said the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress want to force Americans into government-run health care and that that would be bad.

“Don’t come to Georgia and put this on us,” Rogers said. “We don’t need more government mandates. In the United States of America, and particularly in Georgia, you ought to have the freedom to purchase health care if you like.”

But when pressed about details of the Democrats’ plans, Rogers and Hill were less certain. According to Obama himself, the government option for health care would be that – an option. Consumers could keep their private insurance if they wish.

But Rogers isn’t convinced. He said to ask “our friends in Canada” if they like government-run health care.

Hill said that the Democrats’ plans would indeed allow consumers to keep their private insurance – but only until the end of the year, and then all private plans would be cancelled and consumers would be forced into the government-run plan.

Hill said that was in one of the draft versions of the plan being considered in Congress.

But Obama said his plan includes a number of consumer protections, one of which requires private insurance companies to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays the premiums in full.

Update 4:10 p.m.: Later Thursday, meanwhile, U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), who returns to Washington next week to continue the debate, met with about 200 Georgians for whom Medicare is not just an abstract.

In front of nearly 200 seniors at the Park Springs assisted living center, Isakson said while he opposes Obama’s plan, he completely supports Medicare.

“I want to preserve Medicare and see that it’s as good as it can be,” Isakson said.

Update 9:28 p.m.: This statement just came in from Sen. Judson Hill (R-Marietta):

“This constitutional amendment enables Georgians, who qualify, to continue to have the freedom to participate in government health care plans such as Medicaid, Medicare and Peachcare. We are not challenging the constitutionality of any existing government subsidized health care. This clarifies any comment which might imply otherwise.

“I have also offered legislation which would provide a financial scholarship for low income children on Medicaid and Peachcare so they can have private health insurance to give them better access to doctors.”

218 comments Add your comment

B-fan

September 3rd, 2009
1:28 pm

Good to know that the GA GOP is bought by private insurance companies.

cmsfk

September 3rd, 2009
1:28 pm

Mike

September 3rd, 2009
1:28 pm

Party of no strikes again … this time close to home. Ridiculous.

William P.

September 3rd, 2009
1:39 pm

These two fellas want to take away my Medicare??? “We’ll fight that battle when it comes before us?” I get the soapbox theatrics of rallying against the other political party, but as someone who considers himself an independent, the knee-jerk and obviously uninformed nature of these two scare me. It sounds like they want Georgia to secede from the Union. Is this the face of the GOP in Georgia, because if so, it will make Democrats out of moderates.

Stephaine

September 3rd, 2009
1:40 pm

I truly hope that Judson Hill is not the idiot that this article makes him out to be.

KnowledgeDog

September 3rd, 2009
1:44 pm

If you read the constitution state governments tend to have the greatest influence over most Americans’ daily lives. The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees their general plenary powers, versus the limited enumerated powers possessed by the federal government; as a result, they handle the majority of issues most relevant for most individuals within their jurisdiction.

The U.S. Constitution establishes a government based on “federalism,” or the sharing of power between the national, and state (and local) governments. Our power-sharing form of government is the opposite of “centralized” governments, such as those in England and France, under which national government maintains total power.

Barack Obama and the democrats need a lesson in the Consitution. They are overreaching their bounds and this is not what the founders of this nation envision for this country.

John Anderson

September 3rd, 2009
1:44 pm

This is another example of grandstanding by the Georgia GOP. Sometime in the not to distant future the grandstanding comes to an end and real decisions by really concerned and informed individuals will be called for. These individuals obviously do not qualify in any way for a role in reasoned compassionate decision making. Perhaps the voters in their districts need to supply them with a Websters so they can look up the word option.

ZJ

September 3rd, 2009
1:46 pm

These idiots can’t even qualify their own fear-mongering, uh, plans, with the laws of the land (Medicare, etc.) that are already on the books. Another black eye for Georgia (“That’s a good question. I don’t know yet. We’ll fight that battle when it comes before us.”) HUH???

Reader

September 3rd, 2009
1:49 pm

It’s always great to know that the state G.O.P. has the best interest of Georgians on their mind. United you stand to protect Georgians, United you stand to protect their freedom. So why won’t you allow us to have the freedom of choice. It’s my decision, it’s OUR decision whether or not we want to use another source of health care insurance. If you force Georgians to go with private insurers, that’s Communism. It’s really easy to say “we don’t feel we need health care reform,” when you and your colleagues already have good insurance. Think about that.

atlpaddy

September 3rd, 2009
1:50 pm

‘But Rogers isn’t convinced. He said to ask “our friends in Canada” if they like government-run health care.’

I don’t see many Canucks banging down the emergency doors here in GA to satisfy their healthcare demands. I’d say they’re pretty happy with what they’ve got. Also, Rogers couldn’t comment on the Commerce Clause in the Constitution because he hasn’t heard a Fox News anchor read it to him yet on the TV. Rogers and his sidekick Hill sound like a couple of morons.

janie Hopwood

September 3rd, 2009
1:51 pm

Then we are going to throw out medicare, medicaid, Peachcare, social security, fdic, ect. all federal programs not specified in the Constitution. Did these guys get elected? By whom? Where can I get all the names of people backing this. I need to make VERY sure I never vote for them and look with caution on anything they suggest.

Lucas

September 3rd, 2009
1:53 pm

It’s already in the 10th amendment of the US constitution, as the Senator says. So why would they lobby to amend the Georgia constitution? What a waste of time.

Dumb@ss Republican

September 3rd, 2009
1:56 pm

“All I know is what da tenf Amendment says. That’s my talking point and I’m stickin’ to it. Don’t be askin’ me ’bout no dag gum commerce clause. Obama and da Democrats want to kill my grandma!! They want da national guvment to take over healf care and tell us what ta do! That’s un-American!!!”

Dey took ur jobs!!! Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris

September 3rd, 2009
1:57 pm

After reading this story about these two UNIFORMED IDIOTS, Hill and Rogers, I have to get out of this backwards state!

jcatl

September 3rd, 2009
1:59 pm

It’s amazing how the GOP can convince the undereducated middle and lower classes of the South to vote against their own best interests. All they have to do is mention Jesus every now and then, and the fools just drool and nod.

Tim

September 3rd, 2009
2:00 pm

In case Chip Rogers is listening (and I doubt he listens to anyone, anywhere, who’s not holding a campaign contribution in their hands), I have asked friends in Canada if they like their health care. Every time, without exception, they love it. USA Today just published an article about American seniors who move to Mexico for healthcare (it costs $250 yearly). Their system may not be a Cadillac package, but it includes everything, including meds, at no added cost. And if anyone on Medicare doesn’t want the public option because the public option is ’socialized medicine’, then they need to have the integrity to immediately stop using their Medicare and go to private insurance firms and see what kind of crappy coverage they can buy (if any) and how much it costs. A friend of mine (51 years old) pays $500+ per month of his health insurance. After a trip to the hospital emergency room three months ago, he just received a letter from United Healthcare informing him that his premium goes up to $1340 per month in October. Who can afford that? John Oxendine is no help. He’s pathetic. All he does now is hang out with the teabaggers sucking up their support and insurance industry campaign contributions. Friends, we are screwed. If you get sick here, you go bankrupt or die. If you don’t think there’s a healthcare crisis because you have decent employer sponsored insurance, just wait until you get downsized. Then when you see COBRA payments of $764 per month hit you in the face while unemployed, you’ll realize there’s a crisis. Healthcare or food? Healthcare or shelter? Meanwhile, insurance companies’ profits soar. Just wait until it happens to you……

Shamwow Man

September 3rd, 2009
2:02 pm

More grandstanding by two more idiots. I am a republican and I have n problem with a public option as long as it remains an option. The people who are trying to tell us we don’t need reform are already rich. Hell they can probably pay for any medical bills out of their pockets cash. I think that the best interest of the little man is to have a choice. So i guess the state of georgia will pick up the tab for medicare, food stamps, SSI, interstate repairs etc. These guys are idiots are are just trying to appeal to their confederate constituents!!

Dawg 92

September 3rd, 2009
2:03 pm

Why is this so hard to understand? The proposed health plan is a CHOICE. Anyone with half a brain who has looked at the proposal knows it’s simply offering a choice, especially for those with pre-existing may not be able to receive coverage from a private insurer. See, not everyone can get insurance through an employer. These people are not bums, they can be contractors, self-employed, etc. Consumers benefit when there’s a choice. So, considering how simple it is to understand the word CHOICE, Hill and Rodgers are either ignorant or dishonest.

Richard

September 3rd, 2009
2:05 pm

When did I wake up in the twilight zone!?!?!?!

jcatl

September 3rd, 2009
2:05 pm

Well said, Tim.

arnold

September 3rd, 2009
2:14 pm

We went into a twilight zone with the “Contract with America”. It was their way or no way. I remember when there was cooperation between the political parties. Once the Republicans said they would take their ball and go home if no one played their way, it was all over.

Zac L

September 3rd, 2009
2:16 pm

Yes, its easy to say “We don’t need reform!” when you actually ARE getting the best health coverage in the world, courtesy of MY tax dollars. Only now, citizens are getting sick of subsidizing these guys, and we want in too! What makes the government plan good enough for them but not for us?

I demand equal treatment and equal choice under the law, the same as my representatives have. Nothing more, nothing less.

Rival

September 3rd, 2009
2:17 pm

I’m sure these guys will stop this once they understand that using the 10th Amendment would also prohibited the enforcement of a federal gay marriage ban, should it ever need to be resurrected by a future GOP president (assuming the state ban ever goes away).

Billy

September 3rd, 2009
2:20 pm

What a bunch of idiots run this state. Complete idiots. They passed a constitutional amendment to protect them from gays. What we really needed was an amendment to protect us from Republicans.

Jeff

September 3rd, 2009
2:20 pm

Bunch of goobers!

jrhd

September 3rd, 2009
2:20 pm

The worst part about the proposed plan in Congress is, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT WILL BE! Congress doesn’t even know what the plan will look like. How can I support something that you haven’t drafted yet? The proposals that have been floated up to this point have all sucked, pure and simple. How about we try overhauling the healthcare and insurance industries instead of forcing the public into a healthcare option that smacks of socialized medicine. I DO NOT WANT A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. I want as little gov’t control of all things having to do with my life, insurance, gun-control, taxes, carbon, light-bulbs, you name it.

Chris Salzmann

September 3rd, 2009
2:22 pm

“”"Hill said that the Democrats’ plans would indeed allow consumers to keep their private insurance – but only until the end of the year, and then all private plans would be cancelled and consumers would be forced into the government-run plan.”"”

If STUPIDITY and LIES were a crime, these guys would be up for consecutive life sentences.

Chris Salzmann

September 3rd, 2009
2:25 pm

jrhd September 3rd, 2009 2:20 pm SAID: The worst part about the proposed plan in Congress is, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT WILL BE! Congress doesn’t even know what the plan will look like. How can I support something that you haven’t drafted yet? The proposals that have been floated up to this point have all sucked, pure and simple. How about we try overhauling the healthcare and insurance industries instead of forcing the public into a healthcare option that smacks of socialized medicine. I DO NOT WANT A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. I want as little gov’t control of all things having to do with my life, insurance, gun-control, taxes, carbon, light-bulbs, you name it.

CHRIS SAYS: So which planet do you live on? The plan is available on line. These scare tactics are so tailor made for idiots like you.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

Facts and Myths about the Health Insurance Reform Plan:

http://www.factcheck.com
http://www.politifact.com

Do yourself a favor and read or let the idiots spoon feed it to you. You can read, right?

Chris Salzmann

September 3rd, 2009
2:26 pm

The website is http://www.factcheck.org NOT factcheck.com

Lucas

September 3rd, 2009
2:27 pm

Well, jrhd, how can you oppose something that hasn’t been drafted yet? It so happens that I think Medicare rocks and gun control sucks. But I do want a single-payer system. That’s why we vote on stuff. It’s a pretty nice system we’ve got here – don’t get your panties in a knot.

Art at Large

September 3rd, 2009
2:28 pm

No one who reads this article should need further proof that the GOP doesn’t give a fu*k about the average person. They are willing to lie, obfuscate, deceive and mislead people into supporting bills that will only harm the very people voting for them, while making the rich, richer.
How heartless would one have to be to come up with this idea, and then try to sell it to the public, who has the most to lose if it should pass? How corrupt must they be, to offer the same blatant lies about the “gov’t option”?
How ignorant must they be to point to Canada’s healthcare system and act as if it were anywhere near as costly, ineffective, and profit-driven as ours?
And now, they are willing to consider Medicare as unconstitutional?
Case made…the GOP don’t care about anyone but themselves and their corporate sponsors, and money. They are willing to allow the people of Ga. go bankrupt, forgo treatment, suffer, and die because all the GOP cares about is opposing President Obama at any cost, which will be paid by people like you and me.

[...] See the original post: GOP senators plan move to stop health care reform in Georgia … [...]

ms

September 3rd, 2009
2:42 pm

Here again it’s the typical Dumbocrat mantra to attack the messenger but never address the issue. And to the idiot above that thinks that we live by mob rule will never get it. Here’s a simple thing to consider. We live under a “Constitutional Republic” not a Democracy.

T-Bone

September 3rd, 2009
2:42 pm

I love all these Republicans like KnowledgeDog who come of out of the woodwork after the Bush Administration and act like they actually give a crap about the Constitution and the expansion of the Federal Government.

denmark & medicare

September 3rd, 2009
2:45 pm

i lived in denmark and had excellent state-provided healthcare, my mother has had excellent coverage with medicare, and she pays for a supplemental semi-private package

my last trip to canada – i didn’t see anyone sick and dying in the streets. So why all the fear-mongering? because the insurance companies have bought off all of our politicians

Miller

September 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm

Just another couple of unconstitutional Georgia idiots! They must have gone to Georgia schools to be so smart.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

September 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm

Do any of these legislators so vehemently anti healthcare reform actually know what the plans proposed contain? Can they quote a real statement from the real bills that really do away, in any way, shape, or form, with private insurance? Many legislators are wealthier than the rest of us and will never have to think about healthcare, especially those who get a retirement funded by us. But all private plans are subject to being done away with by the companies who currently offer them. None of us with private insurance are guaranteed that we will always have the insurance or that it will not be priced so high we can’t afford it or that it will cover our needs. We are already paying for uninsured consumers of healthcare; why wouldn’t it be a good idea for some organization to cover them and perhaps lessen the impact to us or offer us an alternative if we want one? Political parties are supposed to work for us, not scare us or lie to us just to defeat initiatives from the other party. We are told to keep government out, except of course for medicare, and wait. The Republicans have had several years to provide us fixed healthcare. Why not work all together to actually produce something? Of course no program will be perfect. But something is better to start than nothing, and we can always fix what is wrong. Why just say no to say no? Don’t these two particular legislators have any constituents who don’t have healthcare or can’t afford what is currently available to them? I haven’t heard anyone on the side working for healthcare reform suggesting that the govenment, state or federal, take over healthcare. I haven’t heard opponents cite specifics from any bills demonstrating it. So why not get off your tushes and do something constructive instead of just being obstructionist? We deserve better from you!

James

September 3rd, 2009
2:58 pm

How long will it take people to wake up and see that MOST Republicans are hate preaching, fear mongering, bullying cry babies. They will say and do anything to the “American” way of life as long as that “American” way is the Republican way. I remember not too long ago when people were protesting the war and they were being called un- American. And now these idiots that are spreading lies, rumors, and hate are just exercising their 1st amendment rights Give me a f**cking break. To compare wanting to reform health care (so that the millions who don’t have it can get it) to Hitler, death squads, and all the other garbage and lies, is asinine. It sickens me to see how far some people will go to force you to live their way of life. The really sad part is that most of the people that follow theses idiots are the ones who will suffer most.

jrhd

September 3rd, 2009
3:04 pm

Chris Salzmann, are you typically rude and condescending to everyone or just people on the Internet? The last time I checked this was still the USA and I was entitled to my own opinion. If my opinion does not jive with yours you don’t have to stoop to belittling comments such as, “…you can read can’t you?” As a matter of fact I am quite capable of reading and forming opinions. My opinion of you is you are a democrat hack who is not capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation with someone who holds an opposing viewpoint without resorting to schoolyard tactics of, “nanny-nanny boo-boo”. Grow up and come back when you can have an adult discourse on the topic at hand.

There have been several different versions of the Universal Healthcare proposal floated. President Obama has publicly stated the idea of a single-payer option is still viable, but it is not his number one priority. That tells me the entire bill is malleable enough that the politicians who are responsible for this piece of garbage have not decided whose money that want more, the insurance companies, the healthcare companies, the AARP, the AMA, the unions, the lawyers or the drug companies. All of this is hyperbole from both sides. I want more affordable healthcare, but I do not think the government taking control of healthcare is the answer. That is simply my opinion.

Sowega

September 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm

Jeff, don’t besmirch the good name of the Goober by tacking it to these clowns. Goobers (from the Bantu (?) nguba) actually make money for this state. ;)

On a serious note, doesn’t their idea clash with Article I, Section 8?

ray

September 3rd, 2009
3:21 pm

I want my freedom, not health care!! Why is the government trying to interfere with the right of people in the private insurance industry to make money? Because they hate America.
Freedom, not health care!!

eddiedawg

September 3rd, 2009
3:22 pm

Typical AJC left-wing bias. Please note the headline “GOP senators plan to stop health care reform in Georgia”. These senators want to stop a particular BILL in congress-not all reforms. Never once were they asked what reforms they would like to see. So if you are against this bill in congress, you do not want any reforms, you hate the president because he is black, and you want the uninsured to die. Nice bias, AJC.
BTW I am a Liberterian so dispense with all of the “right-wing GOP” attacks on me.

Cutty

September 3rd, 2009
3:22 pm

So the FAA can pack up and leave Hartsfield? Good luck with that.

[...] Writes my AJC colleague Aaron Sheinin, who was there: “The 10th amendment allows any state to preserve their own rights,” Hill said. “We’re saying this is one right that is preserved for all Georgians and is not delegated out to the United States government.” [...]

Bobby

September 3rd, 2009
3:26 pm

Is there anything in the more Un-American and ignorant than the Georgia GOP?

Sour Grapes

September 3rd, 2009
3:26 pm

Amen. Let Pelosi and Barry say whatever they want, we aren’t doing it.

Jim T

September 3rd, 2009
3:28 pm

And let’s block social security while we’re at it…..we can all just live off the land in good ole’ Georgia planting peanuts and picking cotton….damn idiots! Who in their right minds elects these people.

DW

September 3rd, 2009
3:29 pm

I applaud the state GOP’s efforts, but they don’t have a well-defined game plan. Come back when you have better answers to handling Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

C Timmons

September 3rd, 2009
3:30 pm

Why is there a mormon.org advertisement/weblink on my AJC blog page?

This is a strange time we live in–media/advertising/information/misinformation–all muddled about.

Who can make sense of it?

Bushwacker

September 3rd, 2009
3:31 pm

Thank GOD some body out there is looking out for the people in this state, I’ve sent numerous emails to Isaakson and Chambliss and they will not respond.

If the DEM’s in Washington pass this bill it will be at ther own peril, because next election you will see the biggest turn out in the history of this country as both democrat and republican voters will VOTE OUT OF OFFICE ANYONE SENATOR who votes for this bill!!!

And that would cause the democrats to lose their majority in Congress, that’s why it will never pass because NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN POWER to the democrats, NOT EVEN HEALTHCARE REFORM!!!

Otto

September 3rd, 2009
3:32 pm

Wow the attitude of the people for the reform, hate mongering assuming everyone is a blind idiot for following the GOP. I am glad tolive in a State with 2 GOP senators.

I am not a fan of the GOP but even less of a fan the Dem. agenda being shoveled down our throat.

HKP

September 3rd, 2009
3:35 pm

Typical Georgia morons – they probably will introduce a bill to secede next. Idiots.

HKP

September 3rd, 2009
3:39 pm

What an embarrassment this state has become.

Doesn't Make Any Sense

September 3rd, 2009
3:40 pm

This is pathetic. Whether citizens that are against a reformed healthcare know it or not, everytime a sick or injured UNINSURED citizen has to go to the ER e.g. GRADY HOSPITAL we ALL have to pay for it. I would rather pay for the sick and injured than to pay 10 Billion a month for a war that we shouldn’t be involved in. I have private insurance & still can’t afford to go for a medically necessary test because my co-pay is so expensive. So all of you people that are against healthcare reform, do the math before you speak out against something that should have been fixed DECADES ago. Let’s see how you feel when you or your family member is denied medical attention because of no healthcare due to loss of employment or extremely high co-pays. Better yet, why does Congress get free healthcare at the taxpayers expense when most of them are extremely wealthy & can afford to pay themselves. That’s what the taxpayers who are against reform should be complaining about. Healthcare does need to be reformed badly & Presiden Obama has the guts to try to do something about it, but these Representatives that are getting money from the Private Insurance Companies want to stop for their own interest and not the interest of the American people.

Realist

September 3rd, 2009
3:41 pm

Another skewed liberal AJC headline. It isn’t “REFORM” is it a government takeover, and it is a program that would lead us on a train to socialism. It will lead to rationing of care, and will make private companies go out of business. How can you compete with someone who can print their own money. OBAMA, Pelosi, and Frank have been caught on video saying it will lead to single payor.

What next GOP

September 3rd, 2009
3:42 pm

Gov. Sanford from South carolina wanted to refuse stimulus funds. Then he was caught in a love affair in Argentina. I wonder what these two senators will be caught in?

The GOP wants to rid us of healthcare. Hope they are prepared to foot the bill. You have got to remember that the Republicans lost the election in Washington. You will have another chance in 4 more years.

aqualynx

September 3rd, 2009
3:43 pm

Heres hoping our fine GOP senators get a nice case of cancer and suffer a slow degrading painful death. It serves them right.

aqualynx

September 3rd, 2009
3:45 pm

O and have their treatments rejected because of “preexisting” conditions ^^

Marq James

September 3rd, 2009
3:46 pm

Not a well thought out plan.

Not at all Surprised

September 3rd, 2009
3:48 pm

Thank God someone left in Congress still has a brain!! You liberals want everything handed to you on a gold plate! Why don’t you get off you ass, and go find a job like the rest of us! You try and view the world through your rose colored glasses, and the first terrorist will slit your throat, steal your money, and go have a meal without thinking twice about it. No, wait a moment, that’s what you “brotha’s” alreay do to each other!

Bob Reynolds

September 3rd, 2009
3:50 pm

RJR says, Just like the Washington DC republicans, they don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves, or for that matter, any republican

jrhd

September 3rd, 2009
3:52 pm

aqualynx – I have a family member currently battling cancer. Wishing that on anyone puts you, in my estimation, on par with a pile of steaming camel dung. I hope you nor any of your loved ones ever has to suffer through cancer. There is nothing remotely funny or laughable about it.

Tom

September 3rd, 2009
3:53 pm

Keep your Republican hands off my Medicare!!

Budding Socialist

September 3rd, 2009
3:54 pm

These are our representatives? They must be from somewhere else, because I WANT reform, and I’m not in that lot that wants to bury their head in the sand and pretend that the free market insurance companies are going to take care of us. They’ve had 40 years to do that and all we have to show for it is escalating costs and an ever increasing list of uninsured.

Sparethehiprocrisy

September 3rd, 2009
3:55 pm

State government is pushing its insurance off on the employees. What’s the difference? We were once offered several optional private health insurances. Now it’s down to two and the state insurance. I’m sure this open enrollment, it will be down to just the state insurance. What’s the difference?

SJ

September 3rd, 2009
3:55 pm

The GA GOP are Idiots once again. I am so sick of the lie that we have the best health care in the world. Just because we spend more money on health care than any other country does not make it the best.

Anita

September 3rd, 2009
3:56 pm

It is amazing how these individuals have convinced others that what OBama and his administration is doing is not in our best interest. People please wake up and understand that what these senators are doing is protecting the best interest of their friends that run the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. They care nothing about the poor people or the individuals who have lost their jobs because of medical bills they have accumulated. People please don’t look at an individual’s skin color but look at the whole picture.

Outsider

September 3rd, 2009
3:56 pm

These guys are just riding the chaos and confusion train to reelection!!

Jon but not Jon Voight

September 3rd, 2009
3:57 pm

Until you publicly state you want to end Social Security and Medicare – shut up. Quit pandering for votes.

Kyle

September 3rd, 2009
3:57 pm

Heres hoping if your communist(D) in the House and Senate push your Government Health Care through that you get cancer and lets see if this plan is as quick and free as you think it’s going to be. I would say you better go ahead and start picking out that hole in the ground for yourself. Just make sure you pay your taxes on it before you go. That President of yours would want it that way.

Give me a break

September 3rd, 2009
3:58 pm

Exert 10th amendment rights? That was the argument John C. Calhoun used in 1832 during the nullification crisis. It failed. That was the argument southern states used to form the Confederacy. It failed. Wallace and Thurmond wanted to use the 10th amendment to block Civil Rights, and once again they failed. The Georgia Republican Senators are mistakening their own fringe right Wallacesque view of the 10th amendment for the truth, when in fact nullification, state sovereignty, the superiority of federal law has been settled over and over again in American history. All they are doing is embarrassing Georgia.

BTW, Senators how would you like it if the Federal Government moved all of the military installations out of Georgia? How would you like it the Federal Government cut off all funding to Georgia?

Those could be some of the downsides to your little white trash revolution.

BTW, Georgia has 79 counties with a lower per capita income than Mississippi, so it’s not we’re in any position to talk about nullifying federal law or leaving the union and coming out better on the other end.

achmed

September 3rd, 2009
3:59 pm

I WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREE AND I WANT IT NOW!

Seeking Competence in GA

September 3rd, 2009
4:00 pm

Awesome. Isn’t it great to live in a State that is in the top 48 in education, has no transportation woes, not to mention a surplus of funds and no budget issues, that our esteemed Senators can focus and spew rhetoric on national issues that they have no purview over. Perhaps when they solve healhcare, Hill and Rogers can tackle North Korea and how to confront the Taliban.

Frank M. Davis, Jr.

September 3rd, 2009
4:00 pm

If you see two new yachts on Lake Lanier next summer, think of the insurance bucks that bought them. For Mr. Hill and Mr. Rogers.

BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:01 pm

This is a political stunt. Go ahead and pass it, it’s not enforceable. These old crackers want to go back to Civil War days. Secede from the Union! Luck how dumb we are!

They act like highschool boys.

What an embarassment to our state.

Friend from Canada

September 3rd, 2009
4:02 pm

From my time here in the US, I don’t see it as a decision to buy health care insurance or not; but whether someone can afford to buy health care insurance. Government Health Care would provide insurance to those who choose to participate in the government plan vs. a private plan.

To those who say that some government bureaucrat will decide whether you will get a drug or an operation; please explain how that that is different from some private health plan bureaucrat making that decision. The insurance companies aren’t employing doctors to make the decision; they are likely employing actuaries to make the decision because it all based on lifespan expectancy/insurance premiums vs. money going to the drug/operation.

Linda Lowery

September 3rd, 2009
4:02 pm

Yes please ask “our friends in Canada” if they like government-run health care. I guarantee you they would not change it or move here for anything. Who will protect us in Georgia from these maniac Republicans that will end up putting so many in Georgia on welfare because they will go bankrupt with their low quality health insurance and pre-existing conditions.

achmed

September 3rd, 2009
4:04 pm

I have a right to hdtv as well.

Get Real

September 3rd, 2009
4:06 pm

This is definitely one of the craziest stunts that the State GOP has pulled. It is a known fact that something needs to be done to change the way healthcare is administered in this state and in the country. Real discussion is no longer a possibility when the first thing that these elected officials want to do is slap a label on someone who disagrees (liberal, communist, terrorist, socialsts, etc.)

What I don’t understand is how people in Georgia can continue to elect these bozos to an elected office. Georgia is nearly at the bottom of the list in any type of metrics you can use to measure a geographic area. If you took the metro Atlanta area out of the mix, the state would be pathetic. It is a shame that the bozos outnumber the people with a forward thinking approach to solving problems.

This is just a ploy to stop anything that is offered as change by the Obama administration, yet these same bozos don’t offer any type of positive solutions to the problems that need to be solved. They want to continue to leave everything as it was in their preception of the “GOOD “‘OL DAYS”. IF THEY COULD FIX ANYTHING, THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY FIXED ALL THE THINGS THAT PLAGUE THIS STATE FIRST. They can’t even agree on legislation within the state. The last legislative session was nothing but a complete waste of time and money. They did not accomplish anything of substance.

PEOPLE PLEASE WAKE UP AND PUT SOMEONE ELSE IN THESE STATE POSITIONS. No matter what your political affiliation (Dem, GOP, Ind, etc.), you have to realize that these current bozos must be replaced by someone really interested in and able to fix the problems both state wide and nationally.

L in B

September 3rd, 2009
4:07 pm

The Senators are being hasty, but at least they’re speaking up. I would have no problem reforming our current healthcare system. I realize that I already pay for the uninsured, and I’m okay with that. The problem I have is when the gov’t tells me I have to pay for the uninsured AND I have to give up my (pretty good) health insurance also. And don’t try and tell me I’ll be able to keep my current plan if I want to, because that’s just a lie. The bills say (and yes, I have actually read them) that I can keep my plan until the end of the year that the plan is enacted. Then I lose ALL CHOICE in the matter. My employer can (and all of them will, eventually) choose to substitute the cheaper gov’t plan for me. I will have NO CHOICE. I don’t think it’s fair to take “choice” away from 85% of the people to give “choice” to 15%. I would, however, be more than willing to go along with a plan to reform our current system — cut the billions of $$s in waste and fraud in our Medicaid/Medicare system and you’d have plenty of money to extend those programs or offer tax credits to help people get insurance.

NoWayOut

September 3rd, 2009
4:07 pm

Even if they amend the GA Constitution, it will not hold up. There would be millions of uninsured and insured Georgians who will choose to challenge this amendment to Georgia’s constitution, especially one that is a matter of life or death. How are you going to accept Medicare and Medicaid, in addition to other federal programs, but don’t allow the citizens of Georgia to choose another healthcare option?

This change would not be good for the economy in Georgia, because large corporations operating inside the state, would have to allow this option to employees in other state that choose to participate in the government healthcare option. This would be a huge issue for companies such as Walmart or Home Depo.

They are truly digging themselves into a ditch.

AMB

September 3rd, 2009
4:07 pm

I would say ‘what a maroon’, but there are two of them.

BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:07 pm

The Canadian system is a fantastic system. Listen to the interview with the former head of the Canadian Medical Asso. on C-SPAN (it’s on the net).

Sixty-two percent of the bankruptcies in the USA are caused by medical bills that are so high, no one can pay them.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls. Some of the same Republicans who are playing games with this issue today, may find themselves in bankruptcy court one day wondering what happened. Employers drop health plans all the time, or they water them down to the point that they are worthless.

boots

September 3rd, 2009
4:08 pm

In the absence of a rational rebuttal, the GOP resorts to obstruction, disruption and distortion — or, shall we say, out-and-out lies.

Disrupt the dialogue, shout down the speakers and distort or lie, lie, lie.

The Swift-boaters and Tea Partiers have finely honed their ability to divert and destroy by deceiving the simple minded.

woodie

September 3rd, 2009
4:08 pm

This senator certainly doesn’t represent my best interests nor the interests of most Georgians. Health care needs reform. Any idiot can see that. It’s baffling to me how anybody can say our privatized health care system, costs, and coverage is in anyway adequate. Obama supports change. Change can be good. No change can never be good. Igorning the problems are not an option. Next time you have something to say I’d like to hear solutions. Do your job.

bje

September 3rd, 2009
4:08 pm

For once, I can put an end to the entire debate. Both Judson Hill and Chip Rogers are primarily funded by the Health and Insurance industries.

Here are the facts…

Chip Rogers

http://www.votesmart.org/finance.php?can_id=31392

Judson Hill

http://www.votesmart.org/finance.php?can_id=32115

Can we all stop debating this one now? These gentlemen are bought and paid mouthpieces for the industry. This is all a farce. Do not waste any of your time with these men as they are manipulating the system for their own personal gain.

Penny

September 3rd, 2009
4:09 pm

Are you guys out of your mind? What about the people that lose their health insurance. I happen to have it but who knows what is down the road. I pay taxes and I don’t want these idiot Republicans to rule the state. Don’t you dare try to do that!!! I want a choice in the matter – You guys have health insurance!

What?

September 3rd, 2009
4:09 pm

This is brilliant. Georgia taxpayers will be required to pay taxes to the federal gov’t but not receive any benefit or return of dollars…it will go to CA or NY instead.

I am not for national healthcare, but we will be required to pay our federal taxes or go to jail but not receive any of it back because these bright guys ban it.

They need to think before doing a press stunt because they look like idiots. Can answer questions because they don’t know.

Frank M. Davis, Jr.

September 3rd, 2009
4:10 pm

Do you angry, right wingers not understand that Rogers, Hill and their buddies are playing you for fools? Or does the shoe fit?

achmed

September 3rd, 2009
4:11 pm

I am so unhappy with the democrats. Obama said he was going to pay my mortgage and that never happened. I don’t any confidence in this health care shenanigans.

Reality

September 3rd, 2009
4:12 pm

This comes as no surprise; Georgia and other southern states usurped the 14th ammendment until they were forced to abandon Jim Crow via the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Piso Mojado

September 3rd, 2009
4:13 pm

State control by the GOP has been a disaster. Unfortunately, the idiots who vote for these clowns are just as clueless.

Will

September 3rd, 2009
4:13 pm

Next time a natural disaster falls upon our beloved state, should we assume these republican seccessionists will argue against federal aid?

How about federal aid to maintain the interstate highway system so critical to metro commuters each day?

How about federal funds for special needs children in public schools?

Federal funding of military bases in Georgia?

JustMe

September 3rd, 2009
4:13 pm

All of you who think that the healthcare reform bills won’t destroy the American system are idiots. Let’s look at a few items, shall we?

1). Medicare and Social Security unfunded liabilities currently exceed 50 TRILLION dollars. That’s $50,000,000,000,000! We’ve used up the U.S. credit card and are now borrowing from our grandchildren. We need to stop buying what we can’t pay for today.

2). Yes, you’ll be able to keep your existing insurance. Unless your employer drops it…..or they go out of business. My company has 500 employees and provides health insurance to all. If this passes, we’ll drop insurance and let everyone go to the government program. What insurance companies remain will be forced to accept government mandated coverage for God knows what (abortion comes to mind) and since the government will call all the shops and can price below cost the insurers will go bankrupt by the hundreds. The government option becomes the ONLY option.

3). Currently most health providers lose money on Medicare and the uninsured. Those with insurance pay more to offset. When the government inevitably forces payments lower many hospitals will close, many doctors will retire, and many less will enter the medical profession.

4). Please check the projections at the time of legislation for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Compare those with ACTUAL results and you’ll find (amazingly enough) that the government seems to always dramatically underestimate the cost of these programs. Expect this to be much more so in a government takeover of healthcare. When the costs explode, the demand explodes, and the supply contracts the only way to make ends meet is severe rationing.

5). Obama likes to use a number of 45 million uninsured. Please subtract undocumented workers/illegal aliens, those making more than $50k/year who can afford insurance, the healthy young who likewise make a financial chose to not be insured, and those temporarily between jobs and you’re left with a very small number (between 5 and 10 million) who are chronically uninsured. We’re going to destroy our healthcare system for only 5 to 10 million people?

6). I loved the recent story by Obama of pediatricians choosing to remove tonsils because they make more money that way. Someone please tell Obama that pediatricians don’t perform surgery, that they refer patients to a surgeon (ENT).

Feel free to flame away…but do so with facts and not BS about insurance company profits (less profit margin than most industries), dishonest doctors (who work hard and study hard to earn their bucks), or 50M uninsured.

Our healthcare system can be improved, but destroying what we have and turning our healthcare system into our postal system doesn’t sound like an improvement to me.

Aunt Birdie

September 3rd, 2009
4:13 pm

They want to protect Georgia insurance companies. I had an ins. co. that said after meeting high deductible we would pay 30% for Rx. What they actually did was make us pay 100% and then about a month later refund 70%. This scam was not included in our insurance booklets. It was a free loan to the ins. cos. on my back. Oxendine let them get away with it, too. Same company that said it covered diabetes supplies (per state law) but just didn’t PAY for them.

bje

September 3rd, 2009
4:14 pm

I cannot wait to see Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity break down this conflict of interest on Fox News this evening…

For once, I can put an end to the entire debate. Both Judson Hill and Chip Rogers are primarily funded by the Health and Insurance industries.

Here are the facts…

Chip Rogers

http://www.votesmart.org/finance.php?can_id=31392

Judson Hill

http://www.votesmart.org/finance.php?can_id=32115

Can we all stop debating this one now? These gentlemen are bought and paid mouthpieces for the industry. This is all a farce. Do not waste any of your time with these men as they are manipulating the system for their own personal gain.

Frank M. Davis, Jr.

September 3rd, 2009
4:14 pm

Anyone want to email these idiots?

judson.hill@senate.ga.gov

chip.rogers@senate.ga.gov

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gooberpeas

September 3rd, 2009
4:14 pm

After reading through the comments here, I have a greater understanding of why this country is in such a mess.

Ilene

September 3rd, 2009
4:15 pm

I am truly surprised by how many people are against what these senators are saying, yet all I hear is the opposition to health care reform. All of these positive statements for reform need to be heard. Stamp out these idiots of whom I’ve only heard from all summer.

An Observation

September 3rd, 2009
4:15 pm

Many people haven’t even taken the time to read the reform healthcare bills being introduced (which are still being developed) yet they are either strongly for or against healthcare reform. They are only going on what is being reported in the media and the infomercials. Before you are pro or against this major issue facing our country, please take the time to become informed with the facts for yourself and not just believe the sound bites from Fox News, CNN, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Cooper, local media, etc.

Brad Jones

September 3rd, 2009
4:17 pm

States Rights. Hm. Seems like GA already tried this. Ended badly. Think “Sherman”.

Dan

September 3rd, 2009
4:18 pm

We have the dumbest state politicians in the nation.

Change

September 3rd, 2009
4:19 pm

Change…..it’s all you’ll have left.

mrs.w

September 3rd, 2009
4:19 pm

I’m sick and tired of Republicans. Most are ignorant and RACIST. These people are going to ruin the country if they get their way.

Ryan

September 3rd, 2009
4:21 pm

I don’t understand what’s wrong with our health care system. Every time I have been to the hospital I have received incredible care and the doctors and nurses have treated me wonderfully.

HPe

September 3rd, 2009
4:22 pm

How Embarrassing for Georgia. They need to go back into the cave from which they came.

BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:22 pm

If your TV goes out, or you need a good laugh, get down to the Capitol when they are in session and watch these Republican crackers do their thing. It’s a comedy show. The problem is that the public ends up being the clown.

I have been following GA. politics for a long time, and it’s been one embarassment after another. Now they go by the name of Republicans, they used to be Dixiecrats, and John Birchers and all the rest of it.

I would call them hillbillys in suits, but it’s an insult to the hillbillys.

Brad Jones

September 3rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Uh, Ryan. It’s that 40M uninsured people are using ERs as primary care facilities.

Joe

September 3rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Thank GOD the GOP is looking out for us in Georgia. The dems and their far left leaders are continually trying to rape us into submission with all these idiotic plans for more government control…..

JF McNamara

September 3rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Aside from all of the things mentioned above about medicare, constitutional acceptance, and the general misunderstanding of what is being proposed by the U.S. Congress, how would this be good for Georgia?

Wouldn’t it leave the businesses operating in Georgia with a higher cost, less effective method of providing insurance to employees? Wouldn’t the self employed and small business owners rather go to another state where they can live and operate cheaper? The only benefit Georgia would get out of this would be that we didn’t get told what to do.

RW

September 3rd, 2009
4:25 pm

First it was the Lake Lanier Water 40 years ago. The governor stated ” we don’t need it” and now it’s health care. This state is always near the bottom of the heep in education and every damn thing else. Now, I see why Georgia is the heart of the ill educated fool south.

Janet P

September 3rd, 2009
4:25 pm

We need healthcare for adults in this country.
I’m a single mom of 6 and I can’t afford health care!

Bob Mckenzie

September 3rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Canadian health care….that’s scary…..Canadians have longer life expectancy, babies are healthier, and kids score higher on international math, science, readin’ & writin’ tests, y’all! And its cheaper$$$

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Cry on you misguided lemmings. Follow your boy right off the cliff to the land of socialism. Good to see we have senators here in Georgia defending the Constitution and not the squeaky wheels that seem to sing loudest. Must be nice to not contribute and just suck off the system.

Ryan

September 3rd, 2009
4:26 pm

So why is it our responsibility to give those 40 million people insurance? You don’t have to have insurnce to get helthcare. The Hospital will work out a payment plan for you and if you don’t have insurance they will usually slash your bill to about 20% of what you actually owe.

Janet P

September 3rd, 2009
4:27 pm

Harleyman what do you keep crying “socialist”?!?
It’s health care!
We need it.
And some us us less fortunate than you can’t afford it.

Zeddicus Z'ul Zorrander

September 3rd, 2009
4:30 pm

What some of you liberal morons need to know is that this is all about the federal government trying to mandate coverage to individuals and business. The proposed ammendment is to merely preserve the right to choose whether or not you want health insurance coverage and not have the federal government dictate that you must have coverage. Dig a little deeper and do some research!

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Brad Jones

September 3rd, 2009
4:30 pm

@Hogman Last time I checked, the tax code doesn’t apply only to conservatives. I pay a hell of a lot more in taxes than I “suck off the system”, and I’ll gladly pay more to provide health-care for my fellow citizens.

Brad Jones

September 3rd, 2009
4:32 pm

It’s called “living in a civilized society”, Ryan.

so proud

September 3rd, 2009
4:32 pm

It makes my chest swell with pride when I think of the informed and capable members of the GOP who are looking out for the well being of the ignorant incapable everyday citizen like myself.

If this is an example of the thought and foresight that is given to the all the decisions that they have and will make on our behalf, hurrah for Georgia.

It greives me to no end that the entire country cannot benefit from leaders with such vision.

GOD BLESS EM.

BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:32 pm

Ryan, are you serious? Work out a payment plan?

Are you aware how easy it is to run up a bill exceeding $100,000.00 today? It’s not totally unusual to have them go to $500,000.00.

Now, get serious.

If we had a public option, it would help push the cost of healtcare down. The insurance companies would have to compete, and it would be real competition, not the fake stuff we have now.

No offense

September 3rd, 2009
4:33 pm

No offense, but if you’re a single mom of 6 and you can’t afford healthcare then maybe you should have kept your legs crossed.

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
4:34 pm

Janet P- I need a new TV, truck, and could use a new roof, but I’m not hollering for the government to give it to me at the expense of others.

BIGBOY

September 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm

People keep talking about losing their choice of providers from their employer based health benefits.Newsflash….your employer controls who you can use now!!If they change from Blue Cross to Aetna you have no say so in the matter.If they chose not to give you coverage guess what?There is nothing you can do about it.There is no law that states that companies have to provide you with medical coverage at all.As for these GOP grandstanders…I am continually shocked at how little the state gov of GA does to combat the sorry state of education,unemployment,incarceration rate,teen drop out rate on and on that plagues this state…yet these people continually get re elected to office and get in the Media through radio,tv or print media and make GA look like it’s a 1940’s era backwoods Mississippi.Who are voting for these idiots?Is it that simple that all you have to do to get elected in GA is spout out God and the constitution?It’s time for the people of this state to stand up and vote all these clowns out of office.That’s regardless of party..we here in the south have to stop following parties and start voting for people who get results.Politics have digressed to the point that politicians rely more on soundbites and outrageous gestures than they do about actually getting something DONE.Enough is enough..talk is cheap it’s time for action!Kick all the bums out be he Democrat or Republican.

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm

Brad J- Who said anything about conservatives? And if you care to donate extra, go ahead. No ones stopping you, but I work hard and already see 40% of my check gone.

Zeddicus Z'ul Zorrander

September 3rd, 2009
4:38 pm

Question: How would you like to be unemployed and told that you must have health insurance coverage? Tell that to the over 6 million unemployed who are struggling just to get by now.

Zeddicus Z'ul Zorrander

September 3rd, 2009
4:41 pm

For all the Georgia bashers out there, nobody said you had to live in Georgia! If you you don’t like it, then move! I’ll be glad to help you pack and drop you off north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Janet P

September 3rd, 2009
4:42 pm

No Offense- Is that you speak to women? I bet your 40 and single.

Harleyman- Yes but healthcare is a RIGHT! Everyone deserves it, no matter who.

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Vandygrad

September 3rd, 2009
4:42 pm

I just got out of college. I have a pretty low paying job (and I consider myself lucky to have a job at all) and I am provided health benefits from my company. One thing I cannot handle right now is paying more taxes. I can barely afford to pay rent in atlanta and I would hate to give up eating to help out people who do not even pay taxes. I am sure universal healthcare is great…. until you actually need it. Also, as unorthadox as their approach may be, its always better to have two sides arguing about what is right than have one side telling you. To be honest, I don’t trust any politician. I feel like politicians use bs legislation as a way of validating their egos. They are all either complete narcicists or just vacant shells who abide by what their party thinks rather than having any sort of individual thought. And I mean that for both sides. I consider myself a true liberal in the fact that I want people to stop telling me what to do and to keep their hands off my money. So government, leave me and my money (however litle I have) alone. Senators, keep bitching or filibustering or whatever else you do. Just leave me the hell alone.

KennesawDave

September 3rd, 2009
4:44 pm

OK Since those of us who actually want to preserve choice, quality healthcare and overall freedom are clearly outnumbered in here, I’m simply going to say my peace and be done with this blog because it’s pointless to engage the majority in here just based off what I’ve read. You want healthcare cost to go down? Start promoting and supporting tort reform so rediculous and frivalous lawsuits are not filed against doctors as much. One of the main reason healthcare is so costly is because doctors and healthcare facilities have to pay an obsene amount in malpractice insurance costs. I know I worked for a doctor and he paid close to 200K a year in malpractice insurance.
Second, the government only does 2 things well. They tax the (insert s-word here) out it’s citizens and maintains a military force. That’s it! We already have countless instances of Medicaid/Medicare fraud and you people want goverment to run everything health care? Sorry, not acceptable. Two of our greatest allies are all but yelling at us to not go this route and do any of you know why? Try letting this rattle around in your heads… There are citizens from both Canada, England, and various other countries that come to our country to get medical care here. The reason being, they can’t get the care they need in their own country with goverment run health care. In some cases ie:Canada, their own goverments pay for them to come here and even for the treatments. So why the hell would we want to move to a single-payer system when other countries that are our closest allies that already have that system send their own people to get treated? I tell you what, I’ve got a few cheaper options that’ll save everyone a lot of time and money and will make the rest of us that would like to preserve freedom and choice a lot happier:
1 Take the supposed 15 million or whatever it is population of people that say they can’t afford health care and put them on Medicare/Medicaid. The cost will be around 60B but that’s a lot smaller than 1.5 trillion!
2 If that doesn’t float your boat then offer a tax credit or rebate to that population that will pay for a year’s worth of private healthcare insurance
Or 3 Those of you that will simply not listen to reason and want nationalized health care, can get on a plane and pick whatever distant land that has a single-payer system and I dare you to go live there and under that system for a while. It’ll allow the rest of us that don’t want the federal goverment bloated anymore to relax a little and maybe just maybe not be taxed beyond belief anymore than we already are!

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
4:47 pm

Janet P- I’ve read the Constitution, so please tell me where it says health care is a RIGHT.

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
4:51 pm

Tell you what. You folks that want health care reform get the government to fix Social Security, Medicare, US Postal Service, the VA hospitals, etc,etc and I’ll get on board.

No offense

September 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm

Actually I’m 46….with 6 children of my own that I CAN afford. I also support 2 children overseas and we’re about to start as foster parents for a few more. I figure with what I’m paying in taxes I’m probably supporting about 20 additional children for people who don’t take responsibility for their own actions.

Also, sorry to enlighten some of the earlier posters, but healthcare is NOT a right (at least per the U.S. and Georgia constitutions). Your healthcare involves TAKING something from someone else….a hospital bed…time of a physician, etc. You have no more of a RIGHT to that than I have a right to car care from a mechanic.

Your RIGHTS stop where someone else’s property/life begin. You also need food to survive but you have no right to take mine or Kroger’s without just compensation.

BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:54 pm

Like most Republicans, Zeddicus is being loose with the facts.

He says..”How would you like to be unemployed and told you must have health insurance coverage?”

WRONG. The President’s plan will help the unfortunate buy coverage. It gives assistance to such people.

Now, how would you like to be unemployed under the present system? Woops. Try Medicaid. That means you must spend down your entire assets to around $7,000.00. So, prepare for a big garage sale.

To Vandygrad

September 3rd, 2009
4:56 pm

“I consider myself a true liberal in the fact that I want people to stop telling me what to do and to keep their hands off my money.”

LOL….dude….you’re definitely NOT a liberal. You may be a libertarian….you may be a conservative….but you’re definitely NOT NOT NOT a liberal. Admit it and join us on the dark side.

To BBC

September 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm

What a novel concept…..you mean someone should actually spend their own money before spending the governments (ie OUR money)? The next thing you know people will be expected to buy their own food, pay their own rent, and provide their own transportation. We simply can’t have that!!!!

mw

September 3rd, 2009
4:59 pm

The McCarron Ferguson Act (1945), which came about due to predatory insurance practices, and was heard by the Supreme Court in US v. South-Eastern Underwriters (1944), states that Congress can pass acts in the future that will have the effect of regulating insurance. The Court concluded (just an extract) that “The fiction that insurance is not commerce could not be sustained against such a presumption, for resort to the facts would support the presumption in favor of the congressional action. The faction therefore must yield to congressional action and continues only at the sufferance of Congress.”

So they’re wrong.

mw

September 3rd, 2009
5:02 pm

For any of the GOP to state that they “support Medicare” is laughable. If they support single payer, they want to get rid of Medicare. You can’t have it both ways.

To Vandygrad

September 3rd, 2009
5:02 pm

OK….you might be a liberal….if the definition is:

1). Someone receiving benefits who pays nothing but thinks they definitely deserve more.
2). Someone who wants to be compassionate…with someone else’s money.

Funny how all those super rich liberal democrats always use CPA’s and tax attorney’s to minimize their taxes. (Or like Rangel “forget” about a few hundred thousand in assets and income) Just once I’d like to see a big liberal volunteer to pay MORE taxes….no deductions….and then pay extra just because they can.

Ryan

September 3rd, 2009
5:03 pm

If you owe the hospital $100,000 they will settle with you for about $20,000 and they will work out a plan with you. I had to work out a payment plan for my house. As crazy as it sounds I owe well over $100,000 for my house and the people at the mortgage company were nice enough to let me pay a fixed amount each month. It is working well for me.

mw

September 3rd, 2009
5:03 pm

That is, if they “don’t” support Medicare, they want to get rid of Medicare.

Janet P

September 3rd, 2009
5:13 pm

It is a right! Congress has the right to interfere in interstate commerce.
QED

so proud

September 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm

For all those wise people that harp on health care not being in the constitution,be reminded that roads and highways, air traffic control, the CDC, our education and many other things that we all benefit from are not found in the constitution.

Maybe the government shouldn’t do anything that’s not written in the constitution.

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BIGBOY

September 3rd, 2009
5:28 pm

Again I say part of the problem is the liberal/conservative, Republican/Democrat titles are false dividers..what I mean by that is folks spend way too much time trying to define issues by ideologue than actually rolling up the sleeves and getting the job done.”The conservatives have some good ideas but I am a liberal so I can’t support that” or vice versa …same if u substitute Dem/Rep…it’s all crap..pure crap…we the people should not be relegated to a damn ideologue because if we do we will be forever bound by the aspirations of those who have enough money to get their ideas out in the media.Do ANYBODY out there really believe the insurance companies want healthcare reform?Seriously?Billions of dollars in profits these people make and you honestly think they want ANYTHING to change?If they were interested in making healthcare affordable to all we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Harleyman

September 3rd, 2009
5:37 pm

Janet P-The Commerce Clause was added to the Constitution so that Congress could create the original North American free trade zone — within the U.S. itself. How does that equate to government health care? And remember, the Constitution was written to give the government LIMITED powers.

Realist

September 3rd, 2009
5:39 pm

A complete ‘tard wrote: “Thank God someone left in Congress still has a brain!! You liberals want everything handed to you on a gold plate! Why don’t you get off you ass, and go find a job like the rest of us! You try and view the world through your rose colored glasses, and the first terrorist will slit your throat, steal your money, and go have a meal without thinking twice about it. No, wait a moment, that’s what you “brotha’s” alreay do to each other!”

First, Rogers and Hill are not in Congress, something we should all be happy about. Second, I have a job. Third, I am not naive about terrorists, healthcare or any other aspect of the political world. And if the last part of your rant is truly the racist pandering it seems to be, then our gene pool would be a much cleaner place if you left it. Thanks for illustrating the terms “white trash” for us.

For what its worth, this is all rhetoric. I can’t recall the last time Judson Hill actually helped pass legislation rather than serving as a complete burden on it for his extreme right-wing antics and Rogers is just playing the anti-Dem card publicly so that he can continue to run for office. He’ll run for Congress before long and tout “I stood against the idea of government-run healthcare!”

Frank

September 3rd, 2009
5:51 pm

“But Rogers isn’t convinced. He said to ask “our friends in Canada” if they like government-run health care.”

Why bother asking. There are polls that show the vast majority of Canadians like their health care system. These are Canadians whom undoubtedly have family, friends, and coworkers that have suffered cancer and other health problems.

http://www.harrisdecima.com/en/downloads/pdf/news_releases/071009E.pdf

However, Obama has already stated single payer will never work in the US. There will always be those whom want better health care then others.

Janet P

September 3rd, 2009
6:01 pm

Health care is Necessary and Proper to the general welfare.

JuliaWallaceBurnedDownTheAJC

September 3rd, 2009
6:14 pm

Where is the AJC coverage of the pro health care reform rally on the Capitol today? Oh yeah, they decided not to cover it because it runs counter to their new right-wing agenda. Despite thousands and thousands in metro Atlanta supporting this.

Pathetic. This rag will be gone by next Summer.

Richard

September 3rd, 2009
6:15 pm

What these two are proposing has already been done by more than a dozen states. It simply reaffirms the States Right to govern, which take preceedence over Federal power grabbing Bueracrats. They say you can keep your Insurance company. I f you believe that you might need to Take a glance at the bill. Yes you can keep your Current Health insurance. Say shop around and find a better deal, and want to change from Blue Cross to AETNA, it “Ain;t Happening “bill prohibits any “New “underwriting”. What if I have a child and want to get him a policy not happening either. All insurance company’s must be in full compliance with stated government programs offered with in 5 years. After reading several of these post, I certainly hope they provide Mental Health Services.

bje

September 3rd, 2009
6:18 pm

I want to make a proposal. If anyone uses the words “Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Hitler, Freedom, Patriot” or the like diction in their posts – let’s just dismiss that person hereafter.

I am very willing to listen to both sides and I am not opposed to a free market solution to healthcare, but, these terms are the crutches of the brainwashed. The propaganda tools intended to marginalize masses have clearly worked against a large sect.

Debate real issues which are…

-How do we effect an improvement in the American Healthcare system?
-How do we pay for it?

Also, the argument “Show me where, in the Constitution, that American’s are guaranteed Health Care” is a fools refrain. I can, in an hour, list two hundred services and programs that are not guaranteed in the Constitution, which have been improvements for the citizens.

Stop the foolishness and dig deeper. Every time I read these comment boards, I am more thoroughly convinced that I am witnessing the manifestation of Georgia’s horrible public education.

Daniel

September 3rd, 2009
7:17 pm

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Rob

September 3rd, 2009
8:20 pm

I live in Marietta and i didn’t vote for these idiots…..no wonder we are looked down upon from a national level when we have marons like this speaking on “behalf of all Georgians”. They don’t speak for me, guess they got there “facts” from FOX and all those right wing nutballs…if you tell a lie long and loud enough idiots will believe it….I’ll move back to England if this pases at least i’ll have my HEATHCARE paid for.

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Frank O Long

September 3rd, 2009
10:37 pm

Who are these idiots that keep referencing the US Constitution when they themselves have no idea of what it really means?
They say it does NOT mention Healthcare.
Well, does it mention Interstate Highways, Federal Prisons, FBI, NSA, CIA, Medicare, Universities, Veterans Administration, CDC, Border Patrol, and the list goes on and on?
It is very evident that they need to take a course in U.S. Government and learn the basics of how our Republic actually is designed to function.

Brian

September 3rd, 2009
10:41 pm

Yes, private insurance companies are doing such a great job dening coverage and making money why would anybody want health insurance reform? Thank goodness the Georgia GOP does not let facts get in the way of their opinion.

Trey O'Callaghan

September 3rd, 2009
11:49 pm

Don’t read this liberal biased garbage spun off as fact. Erick Erickson talked with Senator Hill today about the healthcare plan, http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/03/state-level-health-care-reform/. Read that and you will stop calling Hill an idiot. His plan is actually pretty genius if you get into the specifics.

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Outsider

September 4th, 2009
2:47 am

Georgia voted republican but a democrat won the office. Being loud minority doesn’t change the fact that they got out voted in November. I think that the public voted for health care reform back in November and that people that didn’t want it didn’t win the election. To the victor goes the spoils. I am a republican by the way!!

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mw

September 4th, 2009
6:02 am

All this will do is cost the citizens of the State of Georgia more money in legal bills! The McCarron-Ferguson Act allows Congress to regulate insurance (interstate commerce) and this has been decided in a Supreme Court case (US v. South-Eastern Underwriters).

Tom Price, in a recent Town Hall in Roswell, also made hay overe the fact that Medicare was a “voluntary” plan, which is telling of the GOP desires to kill not only any new coverage, but existing coverage for seniors.

Friday!

September 4th, 2009
6:07 am

My husband and I both work full time and are raising two children. My husband’s job does not offer insurance. He works for a small business. The owner said he couldn’t afford to offer it. My job thankfully does have insurance. The monthly premium is $800+. There is also a $3000 deductible and then the insurance company will pay a 70%! $800 is my house payment! I pray that none of us has to have surgery because we will lose everything…..

GTMike

September 4th, 2009
7:08 am

An Observation-Whilst I would normally agree with your comment (and in essence still do), what you are seeing in this reaction is an opposition to government led solutions, ANY government led solutions. Much of the opposition to Federal involvement in health care is trying to keep the nose of the camel out of the tent. It is not about the nose of the camel, it is all about what we ALL know will happen once the nose gets inside the tent. The maximum income tax rate when that was started was 1%. Social security benefits were originally a retirement plan and its benefits were tax free. All these things are slowly and insidiously taken over by government once they gain power, and that is what this argument is about. NOT about the details of any specific plan on the table now.

If you want true health care reform, get the government OUT of the picture. Remove the restrictions that prevent competition across state boundaries. Remove the government regulations that create the tax incentives for health care to be employer based. Getting the picture here? It is government meddling that causes the weird imbalances we see today. Get the meddling out of the way and true competition would exist, not some artificial competition.

aqualynx

September 4th, 2009
7:36 am

Actually I lost my mother to cancer. These GOP a-holes aren’t human so I will wish all the ill on them I can. So you sir may go f*ck youself and die.

Tom

September 4th, 2009
7:37 am

I did ask a friend in Canada, and he was very pleased with their system. I also asked a friend here what he thought of ours. He lost his job last year due to the recession and when he ran out of his savings, he lost his health insurance. Shortly thereafter, he was diagnosed with skin cancer. So, he was not particularly pleased with our system.

The Elected One

September 4th, 2009
8:00 am

@Just Me…”We’ve used up the U.S. credit card and are now borrowing from our grandchildren.”

We used up the US credit card before you were born. The US is a country built on debt. Everything is based on credit (i.e. house, car and student loans) we will always be borrowing money from our grandchildren until the end of time. In the next couple years no matter Democrat, Republican or Independant President these numbers will be Zillions of dollars including inflation. These is a useless debate.

Dudecicle

September 4th, 2009
8:42 am

KnowledgeDog = old dog with old tricks. blah blah blah.

jcatl = Bingo! (Hey he was a dog too!)

To the idiot Senators: how about protecting our right to make our own health care choices? Like, say, right to the public option (CHOICE)?

Guess What

September 4th, 2009
9:05 am

Besides Dumb and Dumber, I’d really like to know who were the others who stood in support of this farce….

OK

September 4th, 2009
10:49 am

Why do Republicans hate the people of this state so much that they would deny them health care? Will they also deny Georgians access to Medicare?

Richard S

September 4th, 2009
10:52 am

To Rob “if you tell a lie long and loud enough idiots will believe it….” You must have read that out of the Anarchist 14 points, That is one of them along which a slogan such as “Yes We Can”. Well they did so How is Hope and Change working for you now. You said, I’ll move back to England if this passes at least i’ll have my HEATHCARE paid for” You might call DELTA they have a slogan also “Delta is ready when you are.” PS I was born in England, like to visit no desire to move back.

Uschi Bulger

September 4th, 2009
11:36 am

This just plain hurts! How do they come up with this……..?

John

September 4th, 2009
11:42 am

The GOP comes out strongly in support of Big Insurance’s power to deny coverage and to bankrupt us at will. The Republican Party just *loves* that millions of us can’t get any health care beyond what an emergency room offers, and they *love* the decades of debt even that minimum care will get us.

And the Right’s mass media *still* have millions afraid of getting *more* coverage, more cheaply. Even the AJC is carrying water for our corporate masters.

grytpype

September 4th, 2009
11:55 am

Look at how fast those GOPtards backpedaled on Medicare, which is the most socialistic thing we’ve ever done in this country.

grytpype

September 4th, 2009
12:02 pm

There is no other developed country in the world where people go bankrupt and even die because of medical bills. None. Every other country has figured it out except the US.

And now reform is in danger because some rednecks think there’s something in the Constitution that says it has to be this way. Well, there isn’t.

Base

September 4th, 2009
12:40 pm

Just shows how goofy the Georgia legislature is a bunch of “just say no” idiots.

Paula Parris

September 4th, 2009
12:55 pm

It is past time for the GOP to stop posturing and start working for the people. Do they really think the state of Georgia with the budget crisis we are in can afford to provide all the federally funded or assisted healthcare programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Peachcare, etc.? Of course not! They are just playing politics instead of working toward real solutions.

It’s not a game, fellows! You’re playing around with decisions that have the possibiliity of causing real harm to the lives of Georgians.

Dudecicle

September 4th, 2009
1:49 pm

Frank M. Davis, Jr.: Great links! Spread them around everybody!

Coonicus Finch

September 4th, 2009
1:54 pm

Any of you here in Georgia do not like it you are free to leave.

Healthcare Advocate

September 4th, 2009
2:48 pm

Perhaps they are hoping that all of the uninsured sick people living in Georgia would move elsewhere so the state’s healthcare contribution would be less

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Tristan

September 4th, 2009
5:22 pm

If the GOP was really interested in fixing things, they would offer a viable, workable solution. Instead, they attack tort and propose tax cuts, which just further line private company pockets, all the while said companies continue to deny claims and leave people with the wonderful choice of bankruptcy or death. I should know, I’ve seen my Aunts wonderful $250,000 ICU bill after insurance rejected her claim.

But as it turns out, the GOP really doesn’t care, so they obstruct and spout nonsense like “death panels”, “socialized medicine” and “abortion”. Heck, most insurance companies already cover abortion, so that’s nothing new, as well as maintain death panels (who do you think denies those claims?).

So really, ether offer a solution, or be silent, like good children. The Adults are trying to fix things here.

Steve J.

September 4th, 2009
8:10 pm

““This constitutional amendment enables Georgians, who qualify, to continue to have the freedom to participate in government health care plans such as Medicaid, Medicare and Peachcare.,,,”

But will he keep up the state’s contributions to those programs?

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Evil Liberal

September 4th, 2009
9:53 pm

The Republicans have lost their damn minds. They are a really bad joke.

3Dawgz

September 5th, 2009
6:44 am

Let them block it..and when it passes watch companies leave Georgia faster than rats jump sinking ships. These men are educated fools.

Craig Leslie

September 5th, 2009
7:55 am

So State Senator Rogers recommends you talk to a Canadian and ask us how we like our system up here.

Well, as a Canadian friend, I whole-heartedly endorse universal healthcare administered by the government. The whole concept is a pillar of our society up here, in fact.

We Canadians love our healthcare so much that a few years ago we voted for Tommy Douglass as the Greatest Canadian – the man who introduced public healthcare coverage in the 1940s.

Look, it’s very simple up here. When you go to a hospital or clinic, or even to your private doctor; the bill goes straight to the government with no interference.

Dudecicle

September 5th, 2009
9:05 am

Read Tristan’s post.

Kells

September 6th, 2009
8:32 am

If this ridiculous constitutional ammendment actually passes, get ready for your property taxes to increase in Fulton County and City of Atlanta as the # of uninsured arriving at Grady for treatment increases. It is SO embarassing sometimes to live in this state!

Stephen White

September 6th, 2009
2:07 pm

Chip Roger’s comments: “Don’t come to Georgia and put this on us. We don’t need more government mandates. In the United States of America, and particularly in Georgia, you ought to have the freedom to purchase health care if you like.” aren’t just uninformed, they are silly.

With more that 1.6 million Georgians uninsured, how can he say “you ought to have the freedom to purchase health care if you like?”

First, no one is taking away the right of those who have the money (privately) or thru their employer to purchase insurance.

Second, when one has no job, one has no insurance in most cases.

Third, health insurance is differentially priced for group insurance plan purchasers, and lower group rates are not available to the unemployed.

Fourth, what he seems to be suggesting is that he’d rather live in a world where the uninsured don’t get health care if they cannot afford it. Does that mean the uninsured don’t get treatment if they have contagious diseases? Hello, “Amend the GA constitution, goodbye controlling pandemics.” Would a federal program that required mandatory vaccinations be a form of government control?

Fifth, what does Rogers think about the FDA controlling the right to manufacture and distribute prescription medications? Is that a state right? Let’s dismantle the FDA as well, and as one reader pointed out, let’s get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, the Public Health Service, etc., etc.

Finally, does Rogers understand how our failure to have National Health Insurance impacts our ability to compete with other countries in the marketplace? Add $5000-8000 to the price of an automobile to pay for auto-workers’ insurance on the job and what does that get you: An overpriced automobile comparatively speaking? GM, Ford, Chrysler don’t have a “failed business model.” They are trying to do business in a nation with state legislators and U. S. Congressmen who have propped up a “failed medical system model” that fails to guarantee a basic set of rights in the area of healthcare to every individual as all other major industrialized nations have done.

Some things are best orchestrated (planned) by the federal government, some by state and local. It requires some intellectual discernment to ascertain where to locus of control/planning ought to be. Obviously, individual states fail in some areas of healthcare planning. The system as a whole, while manifesting many excellences, is enormously expensive, threatens economic viability, leaves too many uninsured, etc. If we make a “constitutional issue” out of every ideological agreement, then we’ll probably never get anything done. That’s why we need to see how shortsighted such thinking is.

johnwk

September 6th, 2009
3:02 pm

I know the facts! Please see:

President to address joint session of Congress: will he answer the big question?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1628461

Norris

September 6th, 2009
4:26 pm

Maybe if the Federal Government had done something to stop all the illegals from walking into our country then our healthcare system would not be in the mess it is in now. There are already ways that people in need can get healthcare like health departments, MediCaid…etc. The Federal Government should not have it’s nose in my healthcare. If they need more money to fund the programs already available then they need to make all of the illegals start paying taxes like the rest of us. I am glad that our lawmakers are interested in promoting State’s Rights. I think the Fed’s have way to much power over private issues already.

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Sarge

September 7th, 2009
2:59 am

It would appear that these two clowns, like many of their contemporaries, are simply playing partisan politics…ie: “If it’s their plan, it’s no good, but, alas, I have no alternative plan with which to counter theirs”. Perhaps if the esteemed Senator would read AND understand the Democratic proposal BEFORE issuing inflamatory remarks, he just might avoid coming off as a closed-minded idiot…might also help in the credibility department.

The Beagle

September 7th, 2009
11:44 am

Georgia’s GOP to Georgia’s residents: “DROP DEAD!”

Dr. J.B. Jones

September 7th, 2009
1:44 pm

I endorse Sen. Judson Hill and Sen. Chip Rogers and totally agree with their efforts. It appears from reading the blogs who has organized to oppose these guys, but they do not speak for me. These opposition groups show their ignorance in their first sentence.

William Alderson

September 7th, 2009
6:58 pm

As a Georgia resident, this is frightening. To think our public officials can invest SO LITTLE rational thought into public matters of this magnitude!

Jslark

September 7th, 2009
11:18 pm

HOW DAMN DUMB ONE CAN BE. SHOWBOATING.

howard

September 8th, 2009
7:27 am

The move by the GA GOP to claim they can invoke the 10th Amendment to prevent health care reform being applied to Georgia is about as stupid as Texas considering to secede from the United States a few months ago. If ever there were sore losers it is the GOP. The party of NO is turning into the party of nothing…

MariettaDude

September 8th, 2009
4:16 pm

I’m a little confused here, folks want a government funded option available to everyone, but last time I checked everyone pretty much needed housing, heating, water and sanitation in order to live at a civilized level as well. Why is it that the Individual is responsible for all of these other fundamental costs but we want to give out healthcare? While I’m not completely opposed to it in some form, it has to be done in a way that doesn’t place an undue burden on the minority of the citizens paying a majority of the taxes already. And before anyone complains that they have the money and they can afford it and it’s the right thing to do, think about why they have it…..Those paying the bulk of the taxes have busted their rears to put themselves in a good place financially. Why should they have to pay even more to provide for those who aren’t willing to do the same? Remember, its “Life, Liberty and the PERSUIT of Happiness” and by definition “peruse” means -to find or employ measures to obtain or accomplish. To me that reads, if you want it go and get it not please just give it to me.

We already know based on the congressional financial forecasting that the original plan is going to cost an outrageous amount of money beyond what the President stated for months so where does the funding come from? If you want to fund healthcare for all then you need to reduce the base costs, here are a few ideas -

1. As stated before, tort reform and litigation limits. The costs of malpractice insurance are at the root of the inflated costs across the board.
2. Tighter Immigration control. I have no problems with people coming to this country, it’s what we are based on, but everyone needs to be documented and paying taxes if they are earning money here. This equates to more tax revenue for Uncle Sam and if you are working legally you may then actually be able to earn benefits.
3. After you’ve put the immigration constraints in place, go after outfits hiring the illegal immigrants heavily for tax fraud. They’re essentially cheating the government out of 25 cents for every dollar that they pay their workers under the table. Sure some of your goods may increase in price slightly, but the reduction in your health care after the tort reforms should more than offset that.
4. Additional tax breaks for employers who offer healthcare at a defined minimum level to their employees. This will drive more available benefits as well as possibly free up funds for companies to hire additional staff depending on the size of the company. More jobs = more tax revenue.

At this point you should have a substantially different economic landscape to work with and some realistic plans for global healthcare can be worked towards and a much lower cost. You can place guidelines on who qualifies to exclude freeloaders who are too damn lazy to get a job. Sure in today’s state with as many folks out of work who have been productive members of society, you’d want to make sure that they were covered.

The main problem I have with the current offer on the table is that it feels rushed, most even in congress haven’t read much or any of it and right now the President acts like he needs this to get his rubber stamp for year one just to say he got SOMETHING passed, regardless of what that something really was or what the cost is to the American people.

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Eric Dion

September 10th, 2009
8:10 am

What an embarrassment to this states and country. I know it is a line that has been used in several posts but I’m a logical thinker. You republican numbskulls (not all of you) that believe the passing a healthcare reform is going to doom this nation are totally backwards. With our nation debt at an all time high due to unjustified wars causing unnecessary spending and lives lost. Not to mention the majority of general infantrymen and officers can give a explanation on why we are over there to begin with. This was justifiable spending for our republican commander and chief 8 years back. But God forbid the liberal Democrats offer to give back to this country and supply a healthcare system that will not only insure Americans to be in good health but also stimulate the economy so those who are not able could get their lazy butts up and find a job instead of worry about having an asthma attack at work without any remedy due to the exhorbant medical costs needed to aid a sickness. Canada has a gov ran healthcare system, as well as many European countries abroad. I don’t mind my tax dollars to go towards helping someone in a sickly or (god forbid) dying US citizen. Why cant I choose to do that? I’m a Gen-Xer and it sad to say my Social Security dollars taking out of my salary to help retirees and those who are not able will not be able to aid me when I’m retired or sick. But they helped many due to Politicians dipping into the pot for unnecessary spending. Finally when there is a chance to do something right we have idiots trying to keep us in the days of cotton picking and moonshining’. Jerks! I’m moving to Canada.

What's Important

September 10th, 2009
9:35 am

Eric Dion: What magic pot is this money coming from that the Democrats are giving back to the country. It is coming from the taxpayers. The trouble with the wonderful, all giving Democrats is that they never have to play with their own money, they play with mine. The people who are so excited about the health care plan are those that expect to receive something for free. I am 61, have worked since 1966, have never received a dime of any type of government assistance (not unemployment, not food stamps, not welfare, not WIC, nada) and quite frankly I am sick and tired of paying for everyone else. Health care insurance is available to many who chose not to take it. Look at the rallies, supposedly these people can’t afford health care, but everyone of them is talking on a cell phone, probably programming their $150.00 cable tv, and smoking a cigarette. It is about choices. If you want to pay for someone who choses not to have health insurance then go ahead, pay out of your own pocket, since you don’t mind. But you don’t have the right to make the decision where my money goes. So go ahead, move to Canada, sounds like a good idea to me. But you might want to check on income and prices and taxes before you go, things are not always greener on the other side of the border.

RCD

September 10th, 2009
4:52 pm

When are the congressional election? Next year? We need to vote these fools out of office. This is absolutely crazy. If you do not like to plan proposed, please draft your own plan. Oh, they do not know what the hell they are doing so they will not be able to accomplish that task, but they can complain, complain. The next congressional elections will be very interesting.

RCD

September 10th, 2009
5:00 pm

Marrietta Dude – We already have tort reform here in Georgia limited to $250,000. Why did that not reduce my healthcare cost?

David in Atlanta

September 11th, 2009
8:05 pm

So if these guys get their way, Georgians will help subsidize health care reforms without being able to participate. Wonderful. What a couple of uninformed tools.

sarahpalin

September 13th, 2009
2:25 am

Obviously the Georgia senate has not read the past 100 years of U. S. Supreme Court decisions concerning the 10th amendment, especially the last 30 years. The federal government wins in all the cases. That is one reason that black americans can go to the lunch counter, federal marshal law can be declared. Remember Katrina .

Where were these nimwits when Eisenhower and Kennedy federalized the national guard in souther states to protect citizen righs, explicity black americans.

These idiots of racism and hatred spend too much time listening to Beck,Hannity and the leader of the GOP-Rush Limbaugh. The GOP is absent from ideas or freedoms exercised under the constitution.

I like millions of Americans are sick and tired of these narrow minded racist politicans trying to destroy the America that our fathers fought so hard to establish.

The bottom line is that all of these fools are in the wallet of the health care insdustry. Why does America loose 5 x as many citizens from lack of health care as we loose in the wars.

The answer is idiots like them.

sarahpalin

September 13th, 2009
2:45 am

Fellow Americans, did you know: your U.S. Senators and members of congress receive Blue Cross Health Insurance for $157 per month, and the government, that is you, pays the additional $457 a month for their Blue Cross plan. That comes to $614 a month of your tax money goes to pay their health insurance (because you pay their salary that the $157 comes from each month. This doesn’t count the health insurance campaign funds and free family trips for your representtive and their family members. Some members recieve free tuition for their children to go to college. They keep these benefits when they leave government and many like former Congressman Dick Armey(Republican-Texas) get a pension and health care from the government and the make millions a year representing “Freedom Works” which is funded by the health care industry to influence you to protest your government about changes to make your halth care better.

Folks wake up, you are being royally screwed by your own Republicans, thet want you to stand in the rain to protest the government that our fathers died for. They lie ,cheat and steal and you are a fool. Why should you get government option helthcare, it would interfere with their good deal. Wake up Americans, you are fools.

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September 24th, 2009
2:01 pm

“Don’t come to Georgia and put this on us,” Rogers said. “We don’t need more government mandates. In the United States of America, and particularly in Georgia, you ought to have the freedom to purchase health care if you like.”

First of all…this is by FAR the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in ALL my 23 years of living!!! Secondly, the reason we have health care reform is to help those individuals who don’t have health insurance either because their job offers it at a high expense with no real coverage or their job doesn’t offer it at all! These are people who do not qualify for peachcare & medicare!

So if their ISN’T health reform…what are they going to do?

Third…if there IS health reform…we won’t have to pay doctors $300 for each appointment…to sit in a waiting room for 2 hrs before a NURSE can see you…and I have GOOD private health insurance…and I’m fed up!!!
Lastly…so basically what Rodgers is saying is…”I became a GA State Sentor because I don’t like the government regulated mandates…and I’m here to block everything…even if it’s good or not…I plan to do nothing because the government should stay out our lives…” Yet this idiot is going to pass a law to block Health Reform? This is the idiot…I think i just got mad for real…therefore I will stop there!

The GOP are a bunch of idiots!!!! And if you agree with them….your a bigger idiot! They are protecting their pockets NOT the american people! Especially their own people in the state of GA! This saddens me! People wake up! Send this article out!

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