Perdue calls on teachers to take furloughs to fill $900 million hole

Public schools and Medicaid will face 3 percent cuts to their budgets, and teachers face the rare prospect of unpaid furloughs as state leaders move to fill a $900 million budget hole.

Gov. Sonny Perdue on Tuesday announced that he and top lawmakers have struck a deal that allows them to avoid a special legislative session and provides the governor flexibility to tackle the latest in a heartbreaking string of cuts.

Most agencies will face a 5 percent budget cut. Some will be higher; some lower, Perdue said. Every state employee, meanwhile, must take three furlough days before the end of the calendar year, he said.

These moves are anticipated to keep the state’s 2010 spending levels equal to fiscal 2009, which ended June 30 and featured more than $2.8 billion in cuts from the year before. The reductions announced Tuesday will bring Georgia to a budget level nearly equal to that of 2005.

But, as Perdue pointed out, an additional 1 million people live in the state today as compared to four years ago.

“We have to live in the reality of the moment,” Perdue said during a news conference from his Gold Dome office. “These steps are necessary and prudent to make sure we keep our commitment to Georgia taxpayers and allow us to give the most services to our citizens through the money we’re able to obtain.”

The decision to furlough teachers and cut K-12 budgets is likely to generate push back for Perdue and state leaders. Even Perdue said he is not sure he has the legal authority to order teachers to take unpaid leave. While teachers are technically state employees, they work under contracts with local districts.

Still, furloughing teachers provides a boost to the state shortfall: budget officials estimate that every day the state’s teachers are not paid saves $33 million.

Local districts were still absorbing the news Tuesday afternoon and were not sure how they would proceed.

“We’ll consider the best options for our district and our schools,” Susan Hale, communications director for Futon County School System, said. “We don’t have a solution yet.”

But Cherokee County Schools will begin furloughs next week, Superintendent Frank Petruzielo said.

“I’ve already sent something out to our principals telling them to get hold of the teachers they thought were going to be there on Monday and Tuesday and tell them they’ve got two more days off.”

Cherokee teachers will take two furlough days next week — when they’d normally be planning for the coming school year – and another day in November.

Petruzielo said Cherokee County will also lose $4.8 million in funding.

Perdue, perhaps sensing the delicate nature of the school cuts, had a conference call with local superintendents from around the state Tuesday to break the news and explain the seriousness of the situation.

“They’re all very appreciative of the heads up and are understanding of where we are,” Perdue said.
State Schools Superintendent Kathy Cox seconded that notion.

“It saddens me that our economic situation is so dire that further reductions to education funding must be made, but I appreciate that the governor and Legislature have done everything they can to cut education less than other areas,” Cox said in a statement.

Still, she said, implementing the cuts will be difficult.

“I will be working with local superintendents so we can minimize the impact these budget reductions will have on student achievement,” she said.

Meanwhile, other agencies must begin to scramble for deeper cuts. Only the Department of Mental Health will be held harmless as the agency operates under an agreement with the Justice Department to correct deficiencies in mental health hospitals.

Every other agency must assume a 5 percent cut but produce plans for dealing with a 4 percent, 6 percent or 8 percent cut.

Dealing with the crisis in this fashion, Perdue said, allows him and staff to be precise in their cuts and not make across the board decisions.

All of this is being done with the hope, but without certainty, that these cuts are the last.

“That’s not to say we won’t have to go deeper,” Perdue said. “This train is not going to go down forever, and predicting when it’s going to reach the bottom of the hill is not an exact science and it’s not a pretty art.”

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Surprise...

July 21st, 2009
5:37 pm

Our oh so loyal and education driven Governor calls on educators to take 3 days off.

Why don’t you lead by the example Governor and take 3 unpaid days so we can ALL feel the pain of the recession?

Vernell

July 21st, 2009
5:39 pm

I work at a state agency and I shouldn’t have to take any days off. They should make the rich high paid administrators take days off instead of the employees who do all the real work. Sometimes, I have to work past 5 PM at regular pay and not overtime. This is just another way that rich white power brokers like Sonny Perdue try to keep the minorities and other working class down in this state! I’m getting tired of this and may move back to New Jersey!

Dr. Phil

July 21st, 2009
5:40 pm

I doubt if Sonny or members of his crew, like Michael Adams, are suffering at all.

Thomas "Pain"

July 21st, 2009
5:41 pm

Cuts, cuts, cuts. I love it. When a business needs to audit their bottom line, they tend to make cuts, or they no longer survive. So our state government has to make cuts. It would be wonderful if only our Federal Imperial government could not print money and or tax to cover their rather colossal spending habits. But again…it’s the government…..

Braves Grrrl

July 21st, 2009
5:42 pm

When teachers take furloughs, who teaches our children?

ugaprof

July 21st, 2009
5:43 pm

Let’s make sure the furlough is really a furlough, and not just 3 days we are asked to work without pay. And that it includes the highest levels of the administration. If you furlough enough vice presidents, you might not have to furlough any minimum-wage janitors!

T

July 21st, 2009
5:44 pm

As a fellow State employee…I am sick of all the budget cuts and talk of furloughs….someone please tell me why a budget that just started july 1 is already short $900 million. If that is not a crock of crap!! Departments are suffering left and right and no one can say where the money that was supposed to be in the budget is. Thank you Sonny for having “Georgia on YOUR mind”!!!!

david

July 21st, 2009
5:45 pm

My opinion is that sonny,cagle,richardson and the rest of the zoo should just quit and put some real leaders in office,These goons have no idea on how to operate this state. IF you ask the a direct question,they will reply either we will raise taxes,cut jobs or we will get back with you after we do a paid study.The state and country is going to hell in a big hand basket!

Zane Smith's Teeth

July 21st, 2009
5:46 pm

Answer: Some babysitter sub. off the street

Furlough all the six figure admin jobs in the county office…furlough Purdue and his stafff…furlough the administrators… Why on earth would you furlough police, teachers, and firefighters before them????

Answer #2: No teachers’ union in Georgia

GSU

July 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

Fine, Vernell. Go back. Keep blaming whitey for holding you down. If you don’t like your job, quit. If you like it, stop complaining about it. Either way, stop blaming others for your situation (especially whites since this issue seems pretty colorblind) and do something about it yourself.

t

July 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

The governor doesn’t realize that strate employees are already getting furlough days. He doesn’t know how many thousands of state employees make less than $20K and won’t make the rent if they lose another three days pay.

Mike

July 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

What will those teachers do on their furlough days? Go Fish!!!

SMM

July 21st, 2009
5:49 pm

Leave it to some bright person to put it back on race: “This is just another way that rich white power brokers like Sonny Perdue try to keep the minorities and other working class down in this state!” There are plenty of “white” people affected by this furlough, too. I am glad to see that at least this time it’s being spread evenly across the whole state, and not just certain pay grades of certain agencies. That’s the way it should be, and the loss in pay commensurates with the salary because it is a percentage. No one should be exempt if it has to happen. But this should apply to legislators, oo. I’d like to see them working without pay. I’ve yet to see ANY of that. With the next gubernatorial election, anyone that is currently in office and has supported this nonsense (millions for fishing and wildlife museums, etc.), I’m voting them out!!

Thomas "Pain"

July 21st, 2009
5:49 pm

Hey Zane Smith’s Teeth- haha, great moniker-

Answer to No. 1- Because it’s the GOVERNMENT- they don’t earn, THEY CONFISCATE!!

Silentsoul

July 21st, 2009
5:49 pm

Here is all that Hope and Change people wanted. I sure am glad things are so much better now.

GOP Teacher

July 21st, 2009
5:50 pm

A furlough means my parking spot will be empty.

GSU

July 21st, 2009
5:52 pm

The money went away because this recession is worse than expected and state revenues are tied to highly flexible income streams (sales). Their lack of foresight isn’t a party problem but a stupidity problem. Dems in DC overestimated the resiliency of our economy and Repubs/Dems did it here in Georgia, too. Big whoop. To blame Perdue for poor work in incredibly theoretical economics work is absurd. Cuts have to be made. If I were Perdue, I’d give my salary back before cutting teachers anymore, though.

Oh, great

July 21st, 2009
5:53 pm

OK, so my district already furloughed us a (non-teaching) day – in addition to a pay cut…are Purdue’s furlough days on top of that???

OIFVet

July 21st, 2009
5:56 pm

I am a state/DoD employee and my Wife is a teacher.Taking unpaid leave of 3 days is ok with us. We understand that we are different then private sector jobs. We are not facing layoffs. We also dont live beyond our means.I have lived and worked in the real world before and have faced layoffs.

gtfanfrom1951

July 21st, 2009
5:56 pm

that would be breach of contract and both sides would have to agree

James

July 21st, 2009
5:57 pm

Instead of all the teacher’s work days during the school year, why not use these as the furlough days. It beats the alternative.

Union Time

July 21st, 2009
5:58 pm

Time for a teacher’s union. Find one of your yankee teacher friends and get them to tell you what unions do for teachers. Not looking for something on par with the auto union, but time to have something stick up for us.

Base

July 21st, 2009
5:59 pm

Why doesn’t Sorry Sonny and the Goofy Glenn legislature take the cut and furlough,.. where is their contribution.Our unemployment keeps growing and the Republs don’t know what to do. Throw them out.

Name One

July 21st, 2009
5:59 pm

How about everyone of Sonny’s staff, every department chief, and every legislator (and their staff) taking a 5% pay cut??!!

jcteach

July 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

So they will pay a substitute teacher to fill the classroom on those 3 days? What’s the savings difference? Minimal I suppose. Sonny needs a furlough for the rest of his term, as does Kathy Cox, Casey Cagle and the rest of the state’s leadership.

Overworked and underpaid

July 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

I agree with uga prof. But I’m going to take my days off and enjoy myself. It is what it is as they say. I saw this coming last March in an article in ajc. I got busy and started tightening the belt to pay down the charge cards. Surely teachers have heard about this during this past school year. VERNELL head on back up to New Jersey if you must. You won’t find it any better there. I’m tired of the minority crap. That has nothing to do with this.

Keith

July 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

The teachers will be furloughed on their in-service and pre-planning days when the kids aren’t there. Of course most teachers already work 10 to 15 days a year above and beyond what they get paid for because they have more to do than can be done in the days allotted.

Dondee

July 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

O Man…..had the wrong idea for the stimulus and states continue to hemorrhage. We need to start at the very top. He should have cut taxes instead of TARP and the other plans and perhaps the economy would have made some improvement.

As far as furloughing teachers, among other state employees, I hope we won’t be required to go to teacher work days and not get paid for our work.. It’s bad enough that we already plan and grade after hours, including evenings, weekends and summers (taking classes and planning for the upcoming year).

One question: As teachers are contracted employees, does that mean we will have to resign our contracts? Can the state do this, even though we signed our contracts in February? Just a thought.

jcteach

July 21st, 2009
6:03 pm

I changed my mind. Sonny, et al, need to work for free for the remainder of the calendar year so the state can save money.

LOLO

July 21st, 2009
6:04 pm

He’s saying, “Go Fish teachers!”

So now the burden is shifted to the counties because most teachers have already signed their contracts for the next school year which amounts to somewhere around 190 days. It wouldn’t be pretty if these contracts were broken.

Way to go Sonny Boy!

Also, it’s funny how during the “good economic times” that people were saying that there’s no way they’d teach because they don’t get paid enough. Now, everyone thinks teachers get paid too much. I’m not a teacher by the way.

Mark

July 21st, 2009
6:04 pm

AARRGHH. Instead of cutting frivolous state programs or services, our incompetent legislators cut into the heart of state employees. Just like other posters have said – why not make the highly-paid administrators take larger cuts or furloughs? A 10 percent hit off $110,000-200,000 doesn’t keep food off their table or gas from their tanks.

Emma

July 21st, 2009
6:07 pm

Personally, I’m happy to take 3 days off without pay if it saves my job. I’d also be happy to NOT get a “raise” (or step increase) this year, if it saves my job. I’d need some assurance that it WOULD save my job. I’d also need some assurance, as some others have said, that some of my higher paid “superiors” were actually earning their pay. But I’d much rather keep my job and get shorted a little money.

some sense

July 21st, 2009
6:07 pm

I am a public school teacher. I will spend my three furlough days at school, in the classroom.

Just A Teacher

July 21st, 2009
6:08 pm

To “Braves Grrrl”. As an educator, I am willing to do whatever it takes to keep a teacher employed. I will take a 3 day furlough. However, you are so correct in your question. Our children will not be getting an education on those days.

GA Teacher

July 21st, 2009
6:08 pm

Okay this makes SO much sense! (Note the sarcasm.) First, of all, we have to pay substitute teachers to fill in when teachers are not in the classroom. Secondly, with all the attention on test scores, do you really want teachers away from their students? I am flabbergasted here!

chiefdawg

July 21st, 2009
6:09 pm

I am sure that the teacher furlough days will come during teacher work days. It would make no sense to have to pay subs.

Tom Brown

July 21st, 2009
6:09 pm

Sonny Purdue is an idiot! It is really starting to show just how dumb he really is. I’m feel sorry for anyone associated with him. Better luck next time. TB

Nia

July 21st, 2009
6:12 pm

To be honest it was the teachers that voted for Sonny, and the ones that insist on having that confederate flag, so you get what you vote for, so enjoy them furlough days!!!!! So glad to be a Nurse, and we need more so maybe the days you are off work enroll back in school!!!

Tom Brown

July 21st, 2009
6:14 pm

Emma,
Wrong way to handle these guys! Do you really feel good about the work you do? Is it worth less than the work I do? Are you on Sonny’s staff? Please act informed and give your own money away (not anyone elses) and please don’t write anymore just in case someone reads this.

LANCE

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm

IF THE STATE WOULD STOP REHIRING RETIREREES AS CONSULTANTS AND PAYING THEM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR ALONG WITH THEIR PENSIONS THAT COULD SAVE THE STATE A LEAST A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ALONE . LET’S STOP ALL OF THE DOUBLE DIPPING , BY THIS I MEAN PAYING OUT PENSIONS AND THEN REHIRING PEOLE AS CONSULTANTS WHO ARE DOING MINIMUM TASKS .

Tonya

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm

Get a grip!!! It’s happening nationwide. Teachers in Florida are being laid off left and right. Be grateful that you have a job.

marshal

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm

Teachers are over paid and should have more students in classrooms, be more responsive to parents and boards of education should be made up of volunteers not paid salaries. Lots more to cut.

Keep cutting Gov, and state employees????? Way over paid with little productivity.

Cat

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm

Georgia families can use tax dollar money for their private school tuition. That should be stopped, then there would be enough so our teachers and children are not put in this position. Read about HB 1113.

Courtney

July 21st, 2009
6:16 pm

I hate Sonny Perdue.

Overworked and underpaid

July 21st, 2009
6:17 pm

SOME SENSE: That makes “some sense” if you haven’t been working in your classroom all summer like many of us teachers do. Working a day or two for free on my own time in the summer makes it seem less like I’m doing it for free. If you have been working on school work during the summer, I’d like to suggest you “chill” some while you can. Take yourself a little “mental health break”. You’re going to need it this year. Time for us to think about ourselves a little more. The highly paid administrators, governor and DOE folks do.

Oh, great

July 21st, 2009
6:17 pm

I’m sure they’re going to furlough us on non-teaching days – the day my county cut was a non-teaching day. “Some sense” – please don’t play the martyr – you make it more difficult for the rest of us to gain and keep respect – we’re already public whipping boys; you don’t need to lie down and let them kick you, too.

To all – it didn’t save every job in my district – teachers on limited contracts were let go. Lots of teachers had to be reassigned (better than losing a job, but stressful nonetheless).

While I agree about the belt tightening (and I’m all too familiar with it as my spouse’s job was lost, too), we really have to think about the negative impact this is going to have on the students. Class size has been raised. Bus routes have been altered. Budgets for supplies have been cut. Now teachers are going to have unpaid time off, and the kids will pay the price.

marshal

July 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

Getting even worse in future years as Obama’s “change” attacks capitlaism with punitive taxes on businesses. Jobs are too much hassle when you can hire family.

All the “Change” people can move on to a different country or enjoy the unemployment line for a change. Jobs won’t reappear until Republicans and the Constitution are recognized again

Disheartened

July 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

Just some points here: Sonny Perdue is not the education advocate he sold himself as. Kathy Cox has never been an advocate for teachers, she’s just the governor’s “yes girl.” Next point, furlough days would probably mean that teachers would not get paid for days allotted as pre-planning or teacher work days, whatever the county BOE decides to do. Students would not lose instructional time. And finally, teachers in this state need a REAL union, not PAGE or NEA or county organizations.

you'd be surprised

July 21st, 2009
6:19 pm

Actually, there’s a substantial savings between teachers’ daily rate of pay and what systems pay subs. Certainly, more money could be saved by actually cutting school by three days because you’d save transportation and energy costs, but they could still save money by paying subs vs. teachers.

You have to remember that teachers are paid based on 190 day years, so even though the yearly salary isn’t impressing the daily rates usually are.

But, teachers have to do planning for the subs to use the instructional time effectively. It’s going to seem harsh to tell teachers, we’re cutting your salary by three days but we still expect you to do the planning work for those days.

marshal

July 21st, 2009
6:19 pm

Speaking of a teachers union… how more socialistic can you get. Commmies should be responsive to parents. Parents should have vouchers to enroll their kids in good schools only.

marshal

July 21st, 2009
6:20 pm

Pay subs create more employment and all need to tighten their belts as Obama destroys capitalism.

teachingforfree

July 21st, 2009
6:20 pm

AYP just got a little harder! Let me guess the answer, do more with less! How about charging the UGA atheletics department fees since they live off the UGA name. 25% of revenues per year sounds about fair since they get most of Athens given to them free of charge every other weekend in the fall. That should cover most of the teachers’ missing pay.

Cobb Teachers are #1

July 21st, 2009
6:21 pm

I know everyone is feeling the pinch of this economy, and the school system that I work for led in an effort to save jobs. Cobb Co. teachers took a 2% pay cut and 1 furlough day. I wonder if Sonny is still planning on giving teachers 100.00 dollars for their classrooms. Yes the thought is nice, but saving jobs is better. If I have additional days off, I don’t mind. I am just thankful for having a job!

boo hoo

July 21st, 2009
6:22 pm

Oh please, teachers suck it up and just do it. Almost every industry has taken cuts much more severe than a FEW unpaid days. The way I see it my taxes are just paying for you to have extra time off. I would much rather see you taking days unpaid than our first responders. Get real with what’s going on and be thankful you still have a job, retirement, etc…..no one feels sorry for you.

Quint

July 21st, 2009
6:23 pm

As a teacher, I would much rather take three furlough days, spread over nine months, than have a salary reduction that affects me for 12 paychecks. They just better not take away my sick leave credit.

Quint

July 21st, 2009
6:26 pm

Cobb Teachers, the Sonny Money has been cut for this year.

Unionist

July 21st, 2009
6:26 pm

A powerful teachers union is the answer. With a real union, this wouldn’t happen—the school couldn’t force any teacher to take any days off! We need to organize big time after this slap in the face and get all the teachers in the union to prevent this from ever happening again. Unions are the only answer employees have to protect their rights against the state!

conservative help

July 21st, 2009
6:26 pm

How about elimination of all of these expensive tests this year? That would save a lot of money. I wish someone would investigate who is getting all of that publishing money for all of the tests students must take. It would also add to education and teachers could teach students rather than teaching tests.

Chris

July 21st, 2009
6:27 pm

Where is the $1B in Federal recovery money that was awarded on May 11th? http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2009/05/05112009b.html. Is Perdue taking a furlough as well?

teachingforfree

July 21st, 2009
6:28 pm

Sonny money bought you an election several years ago. Wish you had those dollars back now? You don’t need to bring back legislators for a special session and make them work for free when you can just make up policy as you go.

whodean

July 21st, 2009
6:30 pm

We are in the middle of a terrible recession people, quit bitching about reduced pay and be lucky you have a job at all!

Pissed Off

July 21st, 2009
6:31 pm

What is going on? My school district has already took $1000 from all teachers and now 3 days. That’s a double whammy! Sonny Perduesupporters that are state employees/ teachers should really feel stupid for electing this idiot! Sonny Perdue was an avid supporter of Georgia Department of Natural Resources “Go Fish” campaign and has devoted millions to this cause but he wants to cut expenditures where it matters most-teachers that educate and state employees that cater to the public. Some kind of top notch decision maker we have in charge!

Norma Rae

July 21st, 2009
6:35 pm

I know a lot of folks don’t like the idea of teacher unions or any kind of union, but unfortunately there are times when they are needed to that the “little people” (us!) don’t get take advantage of. Maybe if Sonny and Company would take a pay cut and unpaid furloughs people wouldn’t be so bitter.

Oh, great

July 21st, 2009
6:35 pm

To Cobb Teacher – no, there is no “Sonny Money” this year.

Quint – our county is doing both, furlough days AND pay cuts – and this was prior to Sonny’s little deal.

boo hoo – your taxes dollars don’t pay for my time off – no one’s does – our time off is UNPAID!!!! Yup, all those marvelous summer weeks – all that lovely time at the holidays – ALL UNPAID! We are paid PER Diem for 190 days, plus or minus, and it’s divvied up as the district sees fit.

You’re a perfect example of the ‘teachers as whipping boy” comment I made earlier – you think because you pay taxes that you not only “own” teachers” but that we don’t have the right to be upset about things like this. Well, last time I checked, I pay taxes, too. And if I were working for a company in the so-called real world, and I was told that I had to have a pay cut, I would be upset at the loss of money, but overall happy to have a job – just like most of the teacher comments I’ve read on here. I don’t need anyone to feel sorry for me, but I would appreciate informed discussions, and not pablum from folks who still clearly have issues over their school year experiences.

Cobb Teachers are #1

July 21st, 2009
6:37 pm

People, I know that this is a blog, but instead of pointing fingers we need to call our elected officials and tell them that we need to cut out the PORK. I voted for Obama, and he has a lot on his plate. I can remember when President Clinton ran into the G.O.P wall headed by Newt, that’s when spending stopped and America started saving. We need a Democratic Prez, and a Republican Congress!

Dawg34

July 21st, 2009
6:38 pm

Take your black butt back to New Jersey Vernell and open up a job for somebody here who won’t complain. I’ve been through 3 company closings in the last 8 years and I’m not black. Imagine that, a white person being held down. I guess I should blame the blacks who have their say in the state legislature for me having to go through a year of unemployment (which I didn’t seek benefits for even though I qualified and could have used it). Instead of complaining and blaming others, I cut back and made do until I found employment again. Sometimes we have to step up to the plate and realize that things can always be worse.

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
6:39 pm

When state employees start whining just keep in mind that is why they are Government Employees. In every business sector in the Country we have seen cutbacks, layoffs, furloughs and closings. To all those who think the Government Tax Payers owe you something..Think again. The next time one of you liberal bleeding hearts says any of the following statements you need to remember this is why we are in this environment:

I want Government Healthcare so I do not have to pay for any longer.

I don’t mind the illegals here because they do jobs Americans will not do.

I will vote for that millage increase so the schools have more.

Taxing the Rich is fine with me, I do not make enough money.

I am going to apply for one of those no money down home loans.

Oh that credit card has such a low interest rate and a high charge balance.

I want to buy that foreign car..it is made better.

I shop at Walmart because it so cheap( and everything is made outside the U.S.)

I am waiting on my check.

These are many of the things that got us into this trouble we are in. And if you dimwits think it is going to get better under the DEMOCRATS Control in D.C. you are so sadly mistaken. Government does very very little but take what you have and dispense it to those who WILL NOT do for themselves. Government is not the answer and the less we have involved in our lives the better off we are.

Where in our Constitution say we are entitled to Healthcare, Free Food, Nice homes paid by others, a car, a cell phone, a 65 inch Plasma T.V., rims for your car, using the hospital as your primary physician.

Those folks who vote for these laws are scamming you and it is time to wake up and take back your government. I can grow my own food, raise my own cattle, barter for services needed and teach my kids at home, and practically anything else, including protecting my property. Police, fire, Judges, roads, and the basics are all I need to make my life safe. Many ( i said Many..not all) are just government created add on programs to get votes from you. Lower our taxes and take the burden off our shoulders and you will see our country rise again.

Elsie

July 21st, 2009
6:42 pm

Honestly, as a resident of the great city of Atlanta and the cost of having to send my kids to a private school…..do us all a favor and take the remainder of the year off. The education they seem to be getting amounts to babysitting. Thanks Sonny….just make it longer than 3 days.

Steve

July 21st, 2009
6:42 pm

Can the state of Georgia endure the remaining days of Sonny Perdue and his Bush-like Republican cronies? What a horrible job and there is still time for more ineptness.

Mark2009

July 21st, 2009
6:43 pm

If you’re a state employee you shouldn’t complain one bit. You should be happy you have a job in this state and not in places like California. So stop complaining or get a real job in the private sector!!!!

Chuck

July 21st, 2009
6:43 pm

Why don’t we increase the state sails tax so that the illegal immigrants pay for some of the decrease in revenue. They pay no state income tax. Or just get rid of them. We teachers are not getting a raise this year and have not complained about it. Fulton County has not adopted new books in two years. The covers are falling off. We were told that students would not get social studies books for another two or three years. The books will be nothing but scraps by then. Fulton County doesn’t have the money to buy new books but they spend 100s of thousands to people in the administration office who do nothing but socialize. What a joke. Change we can believe in. Not

cody

July 21st, 2009
6:44 pm

Perdue should take a salary cut. He’s about 85K over paid anyway.

The representatives and senators also need a pay cut. They too are overpaid.

After you cut some of the above glut out, this would eliminate the teacher furlough situation as well as reduce, if not eliminate, the other state layoffs.

wrestleguy

July 21st, 2009
6:45 pm

Sorry Sunny, but enjoy your little time in office left. Teachers make up the largest voting occupational group. Just ask Barnes.

Dr. K

July 21st, 2009
6:46 pm

If we all have a signed contract with number of days, a per diem amount and an annual salary, how can he do it? He is basically telling the county BOEs that they will need to make up the budget shortage because all he can do is withold that money from the state. A signed contract that I renew annually is a legally bindinbg contractural agreement. A judge will need to decide this. This would be breach of contract!

Hartan

July 21st, 2009
6:47 pm

I just think that the timing is horrid. Why now? Why, when all options of moving to a different state, or even a private school aren’t options? Sonny Perdue, I wish that I had never voted for you. I’m going Democrat just to keep goons like you out of office.
I agree that we need to unionize. I agree that the martyr who will be in her classroom needs to take a dose of reality. We are the whipping boys, and will continue to be until we demand better salaries, better conditions and better respect.

Dr. K

July 21st, 2009
6:47 pm

PS…keep you dang Sonny money! I seond over $2,000 of my own money every year on my classroom anyway! I don’t need your $250 gift card…or maybe we aren’t getting them this year???

Enough is Enough!!!

July 21st, 2009
6:48 pm

I too work for a state agency (DFCS) and is it any wonder that a six year old boy, who had numerous complaints reported by his teachers, was beaten to death by the mother’s boyfriend! This is what happens when the case workers are spread so thin and you don’t have enough people to do the job that they were hired to do! Children will continue to be underserved and harmed in this state as long as we don’t provide the proper supervision for them!

A Teacher

July 21st, 2009
6:48 pm

What will teachers do on their furlough days?
Go golfing!

gapeach

July 21st, 2009
6:48 pm

Just to clear up a point: Teachers would not be taking furlough days on days when students would actually be at school, so no substitute teachers would be needed. The days would be taken from the teacher work days when students already have the day off. If this helps, I’m willing to give up 3 days of pay; it certainly beats the alternative of having no job at all. In addition though, I’d hope that leadership would lead by example and take a few furlough days themselves.

Steve

July 21st, 2009
6:49 pm

Unionist…please, your economics make me laugh a bit…unions, by their definition, are there to limit membership and raise the pay/benefits of those in the union. That’s all fine and good, but it doesn’t mean that they can continue to operate that way when basic economics don’t support them (you have heard of the United Auto Workers and the US automobile industry, haven’t you)? It’s been in all the papers.

I think moste people tend to think that government workers are the last to feel the ‘reality’ of our current economic situation. Good luck getting much sympathy from those already unemployed by companies that are much quicker to pull the trigger.

gapeach

July 21st, 2009
6:49 pm

…..by leadership, I mean the people who made the decision to have furlough days

Billy Bob

July 21st, 2009
6:51 pm

What about all the money spent at Tift College for the DOC??!!

cynthia

July 21st, 2009
6:52 pm

Review administrator salaries for the Board of Regents and I think you’ll find salaries decent salaries; I’m sure Chancellor Erroll is really going to be hurting. All agency salaries can be found at http://www.open.georgia.gov/index.html
SALARY TRAVEL EXPENSES
DAVIS,ERROLL B CHANCELLOR $ 558,378.13 TRAVEL $ 15,604.31
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
HERBST,SUSAN VICE CHANCELLOR $ 321,766.72 $ 6,956.07
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
WATTS,ROBERT E VICE CHANCELLOR $ 219,300.00 $ 4,249.80
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
MAIER,THOMAS LEE VICE CHANCELLOR $ 190,000.08 $ 17,130.57
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
KETTLEWELL-HENRY,JANET VICE CHANCELLOR $ 183,891.73 $ 5,221.04
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
DANIEL,THOMAS E VICE CHANCELLOR $ 178,358.52 $ 3,451.74
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
DANIELS,LINDA M VICE CHANCELLOR $ 168,019.12 $ 3,367.24
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
RAMACHANDRAN,USHA CHIEF $ 167,946.14 $ 3,073.85
BUSINESS/FINANCE/ADMI
NISTRATIVE
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
STONE,SANDRA S VICE CHANCELLOR $ 162,400.08 $ 13,610.91
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
PAGE,DEBBIE L DIRECTOR, $ 160,358.28 $ 1,436.81
DIVISION/DEPARTMENT
AD
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
BIESINGER,KRIS A ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 147,943.14 $ 13,217.03
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
HUDSON,CATHIE MAYES VICE CHANCELLOR $ 143,126.99 $ 5,270.96
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
STARK,RONALD B ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 142,100.16 $ 5,226.56
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
HICKEY,PETER J ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 139,337.69 $ 6,972.33
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
NEWSOME,JAMES BURNS VICE CHANCELLOR $ 138,619.48 $ 598.71
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
HULME,GALE D DIRECTOR, $ 131,950.08 $ 1,453.35
SUBDIVISION/UNIT AD
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
VEATCH,JULIAN LAMAR ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 130,080.48 $ 6,191.32
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
NICKEL,SHELLEY C ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 129,062.43 $ 1,972.94
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
MILLSAPS,JOHN H ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 127,871.64 $ 2,403.31
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
NORWOOD,BEVERLY C DIRECTOR, $ 125,643.60 $ 1,490.46
DIVISION/DEPARTMENT
AD
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
LAM,TONYA R ASSOC/ASST VICE $ 125,428.61 $ 10,810.30
CHANCELLOR
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
SCOVILLE,JOHN T DIRECTOR, $ 124,647.00 $ 4,211.55
DIVISION/DEPARTMENT
AD
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
WILLIAMSON,VIKKI L DIRECTOR, $ 120,295.05 $ 4,201.06
DIVISION/DEPARTMENT
AD
REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF
GA, BOARD OF
SOMERS,JESSICA A DIRECTOR, $ 113,679.00 $ 1,927.97
DIVISION/DEPARTMENT
AD
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cynthia

July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm

Pays well to work at the ports authority; check out the travel expenses.

MARCHAND,DOUGLAS J EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR $389,235.98 $54,630.58 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
FOLTZ,CURTIS J CHIEF OPERATING OFFI $314,832.82 $71,006.92 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
RONDAN,ARTHUR REG DIR EURDPE/MED/M $255,882.20 $68,470.44 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
SCHALLER,DAVID A CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE $244,184.65 $35,908.85 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
ROBERTS,ELLEN H DIRECTOR OF FINANCE $201,842.32 $2,576.05 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
WHEELER,JOHN M DIRECTOR OF TRADE DE $184,257.17 $66,410.01 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
TILLOTSON,HERMAN W DIRECTOR ENGINEERING $171,782.01 $13,429.05 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
ARMSTRONG,THOMAS H DIR OF STRATEGIC DEV $170,762.42 $34,985.69 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
TRENT,JOHN D DIRECTOR OF OPERATIO $166,638.98 $4,621.38 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
MORRIS,ROBERT C DIRECTOR OF EXTERNAL $150,741.53 $22,637.60 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
JAKUBSEN,WILLIAM J SALES MANAGER TRADE $146,801.38 $18,447.61 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
ROHDE,DANIEL E ASST DIRECTOR OPERAT $144,642.26 $1,823.15 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
VINSON,WILLIAM O MANAGER OF AUDITING $137,040.08 $119.84 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
COX,RICHARD K GENERAL MGR OF EQUIP $136,439.54 $42,793.22 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
TROUGHTON,MARK D GLOBAL ACCT. EXECUTI $133,673.86 $23,665.55 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
MARSHALL,LISE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRE $133,498.61 $3,050.38 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008
PETRINO,JOHN F GENERAL MANAGER TRAD $132,490.79 $79,432.55 PORTS AUTHORITY, GEORGIA 2008

Corrections employee

July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm

Finally the teachers will have a taste of what ALL state employee’s have gone through for a long time. School bus drivers get to drive their buses home, how much money could the state (or county) save if they didn’t pay for that fuel, let the bus drivers drive their vehicles to pick up their buses. State employee’s haven’t had a raise in a long time, some of them might get a raise since the minimum wage is going up.

Vernell, Oh My!!

July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm

Oh Vernell, you had to work past 5pm at regular pay!! You deserve some kind of medal, you are such a hard worker. I immediately want to hire you as my employee. You should run for President with that hard work ethic. Cheers to you, you hard worker.

Cobb Teachers are #1

July 21st, 2009
6:56 pm

Wow, I can’t believe some of the things being said. I can’t believe so many people are blaming Obama for the problems that have happened on Bush’s watch. People we did not step into this mess in six months, It took 8 years and the republican prez and congress started this spending spree. (Two wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, refund checks) Yes, we are in a mess! No Obama can’t do it by himself…. but don’t let the media fool you! Go out and spend your money! The more you spend, the better and faster our ecomony will recover!

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IrishForEver

July 21st, 2009
6:56 pm

I love how the republican posters on here jump in to try and blame Obama when we are in this situation because of the past 8 years.

Billy Bob

July 21st, 2009
6:57 pm

Vote out all incumbants in the next election!!!Period!!

Georgia on my mind...

July 21st, 2009
6:58 pm

Wow. All of you who are complaining about the government teat–yes the nipple part of the breast you are sucking on, QUIT! Come on over to a private secter job. Lets see how you fare. The comments I’m reading scare me. So many of you rely on the government because of the stupid life decisions you made. I own my own business. When I need more cash, I work more. When the economy sucks and there are budget shortfalls, I cut back.

And screw you Billy Bob. Go back inside your trailor. I bet you have relatives who are inmates. Having the DOC in Forsyth is a brilliant move. How much do you pay in state taxes anyway?

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
6:58 pm

TO STEVE….

You are so right….the unions have killed the automobile industry and now we will see how the unions will kill the Healthcare System if Obama’s Nationalization healthcare program goes into effect.

Go to any European Union Country and see the environment they have created. I would rather have Tony Soprano shake me down than turn our country over to a UNION THUG.

cynthia

July 21st, 2009
6:59 pm

Look at what there own folks at the Teachers Retirement System are making. If I was a teacher, I would be pi#$%d.

CARY,CHARLES W CHIEF INVESTMENT OFF $427,480.08 $2,668.55 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
BOEDY,NANCIE H CO-CHIEF INVESTMENT $427,480.08 $2,989.79 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
MAJURE,MICHAEL K DIRECTOR OF EQUITIES $335,733.34 $1,481.43 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
HORKAN,THOMAS A DIRECTOR OF EQUITIES $335,733.34 $4,718.60 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
HAROZ,DONALD P SR. EQUITY PORTFOLIO $255,020.64 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
WOLFERSBERGER,MATTHEW DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH $245,500.01 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
MATTKE,MARK SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $244,164.12 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
SHIPP,CLANTON C SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $235,740.01 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
LEONG,KAR M SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $225,533.26 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
CHRISMAN,KATHLEEN C SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $224,367.38 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
BUSCH,JO KAREN DIR OF INVESTMENT SV $221,166.66 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
PHILLIPS,BRENT D CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFF $208,000.08 $1,771.89 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
KLINGLER,GIZELLE SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $190,786.76 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
BERK,JEREMY SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $189,800.08 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
QUARELLO,SHERRY A CHIEF EQUITY TRADER $188,750.12 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
WIEDEMANN,SPENCER B SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $185,387.26 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
GIVENS,JOHN R SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $174,240.08 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
EZELL,JEFFREY L EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR $173,903.16 $5,995.99 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
POWELL,SABRINA L INVESTMENT ACCT $169,166.64 $515.62 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008
KINSEY,SHIRLEY R SENIOR INVESTMENT AN $165,916.76 $0.00 TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF 2008

Quint

July 21st, 2009
7:01 pm

While we are on here, does anyone want to compare local supplements? I live in a rural community and the local teaching supplement is only $600. Now before some starts in on the cost of living in rural vs. suburban or urban areas, the cost of a gallon of milk is $4.50 and gas is at $2.25. A decent one bedroom apartment rents for $550 per month and a $.99 value meal item is still $.99 everywhere else in Georgia.

I know many teachers in and around the metro area make much more than that as a local supplement. Are they being cut out in lieu of “salary” reductions?

Again, I am thankful for my job and I am willing to tighten my belt just like everyone else. Just remember that and give us our fair share when the economy turns around.

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
7:02 pm

What is Yellow, with eight legs and can be found under a tree?

A GDOT Maintenance Crew Truck.

Albert

July 21st, 2009
7:02 pm

Fools, there will be no substitutes, no buses will run, no air conditioners will run in schools, no lunches will be served. Schools will be closed for 3 days. Our system is cutting 2 early release days and 1 planning day.

NO SUBSTITUTES

BTW I am a teacher and am glad to have a job. Maybe the state should make no cuts and become insolvent like California.

Put Away Your Crooked Speech

July 21st, 2009
7:04 pm

Why are all you people complaining? This is what you get when you put Republicans in charge. The lesson here is don’t hire people who don’t believe in government to run government.

We need change, not just in Washington, but in Georgia too. That includes you folk down in the southern part of the state who are a drag economically and culturally on the rest of the state. I know that’s harsh but it needs to be said.

We can no longer afford politicians that don’t believe in public education. We cannot go back to the 20th Century where most people were illiterate and only a few wannabe aristocrats ran the state for their benefit.

This is a mess made by Republicans and it is high time to take responsibility for the mess. No blaming a President who has been in office for 6 months and wants to help. This is your mess and it’s time to replace you.

I hope all of you people who are facing these cuts and who have lost your jobs face the reality that tax cuts for the wealthy and businesses do not lead to jobs and prosperity for all.

Time to put away our childish behaviors. No more distractions like homosexuals, abortion, creationism, etc… Time to put some actual competent people to fix this mess we’ve been trying it the conservative way, and it has been a smashing failure.

Y’all remember that come next the election. They’re going to try to distract you with lots of stuff but don’t fall for it…again!

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
7:06 pm

Poor Poor Billy Bob…must have not gotten your monthly check, free cheese, and food stamps ….Which was taken from the Private Sector Working Class..to feed your Jerry Springer watching, WWE Fan of the month, DIPSTICK used as a comb lazy fanny.

Sabalon

July 21st, 2009
7:06 pm

As a state employee, I see plenty of waste and ways to save money, but the idiots that make twice what I do are the ones blowing it on a daily basis. But they are the ones that are protected. Their mistakes don’t matter. Let a small worker make a mistake because they are overworked and they are let go. Anyway, when I’m on a furlough day, if you can’t get your e-mail, etc… DON”T CALL ME…I don’t work for you that day!

whatever

July 21st, 2009
7:06 pm

Why do the state employee’s who are under paid as it is have to make up the difference in the state budget? We didn’t get a vote to decide that budget but we get to be the one’s to suffer for it. Why not let the people who are really making the money pay the higher taxes and help with that budget? Why are you just giving money away to companies and high paid executives? HMMM…. maybe because Sonny is one of them and can relate better to them than to the state workers.

YOU ARE A JOKE SONNY!! What was your saying when you were running…. Sonny Cares… about who exactly?

Billy Bob

July 21st, 2009
7:07 pm

Georgia On my Mind must be one those getting rich from the DOC moving to tift college Also I live in a brick house and I work 2 jobs the DOC is one of them and I am college Educated. Guess Like so many I will have to find a 3rd Job while Brian Ownens and his cronies are going to TIFT COllege

Cobb Teachers are #1

July 21st, 2009
7:08 pm

This reminds me of R.E.M song… “It’s the end of world as we know it….” Sad, sad, sad…. I bet there are going to be some major lay-off’s in the teaching field. Oh, and for all the people who voted for McCain- Obama, got his revenge! 2000 jobs to be cut becauce of the F-22! Should have voted for him!

Realist

July 21st, 2009
7:08 pm

Don’t try to reason with these Republican rednecks who think Jesus is the real president but yet are the first to be hypocrites and act un-Bible like. If Sonny was a Democrat they’d be ripping him apart, just like if Bush was one. You’re trying to get through to people that listen to the media or FOX news and think they know everything. They have no mind of their own and are just followers(hence why they think religion is the most important thing in life). If someone fucts up, I’ll point the finger before looking whether or not there is a (D) or (R) in parenthesis next to their name on TV. Form an opinion based on what your heart tells you, not what you’re brainwashed to believe. Now, when is Sonny announcing his pay-cut or furlough?

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
7:09 pm

Hey, I’m a teacher who already signed a contract agreeing to a 4.5% paycut! Now I’m expected to take furlough days too? One or the other, not both!

Dr. K

July 21st, 2009
7:12 pm

If I were Barack Obama, I’d kick Barney Frank and Chris Dodd square in the A$$!!

Veteran teacher

July 21st, 2009
7:12 pm

I, for one, will remember in November. Vote them all out!

Disgusted

July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm

I find it interesting how “iron-clad” our contracts are when teachers want to get out of them, but it means nothing when districts and the state want to amend them. If I want to leave, I am threatened to be reported to the Professional Standards Commission, never mind that I had to sign it in Feb, before districts start hiring for the next year. But my paid 189 (my district already furloughed one day) days can become 186 whenever the Governor sees fit.

FedUpTeacher!

July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm

We wonder why our best and brightest choose to go private sector and not teach math or science.

And those of you trying to pin this on Obama, do you not realize that Sonny is republican??? THIS mess is all at his door.

Cobb Teachers are #1

July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm

Why do we have to wait until Nov., Let’s recall those PORK spending people!

Quint

July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm

Georgia on my mind…

July 21st, 2009
6:58 pm
What stupid life decisions are you talking about? Most teachers know that they will never get rich when they go into this profession. Teachers want to help others succeed. We want to educate and teach students to think and not make blanket statements about others or their professions.

When I hear a businessman complain about high taxes and rising insurance costs, I don’t blame his decision to go into business. I admire successful business owners and even the ones who are unsuccessful but worked like crazy because they had a dream of a better life.

But you know what, no matter how hard we work or how many extra hours teachers put in on a daily basis, we will not get one cent extra at the end of the month. I work long and hard to make sure my students pass those state mandated tests and can advance and so my school can make AYP. I do it by choice and am not looking for a pat on the back. I just don’t want to be spit on for trying to improve a child’s life. Just give me the same respect you would want if your child chose to answer this calling.

CC Prof

July 21st, 2009
7:15 pm

When I signed my contract for next academic year at my associate degree-granting college, it included language that would allow the college president to mandate up to 10 unpaid furlough days.

conservative help

July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm

Now is a good time to think about if you want the gov’t more involved in healthcare. Would you want your local hospital to close for 3 days? Maybe everyone can get over obama mania and lets talk about less taxes and putting people to work. Things democrates know nothing about.

ant banks

July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm

i am an educator and i understand the horrible conditions of the economy. i am willing to be furloughed 3 days out of the year, if that means that georgia will not go the way of california.

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm

PUT AWAY YOUR CROOKED SPEECH…You are one of those bleeding Liberals who thinks Government is the answer for EVERYTHING. Look at California..the most Liberal free lunch state in the country.

Oh I do blame liberals for this mess…Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Arlen Spector, Charley Rangle, Barbara Boxer, just to name a few. When the Banks were telling the Feds that offering no down payment loans or minimum loans to persons who have 0% ability to stay or pay for a house was not good…Barney Frank and his cronies said” If you do not make those loans we will stop Fannie, and Freddie and HUD from underwriting any loans to you.” Those are facts.. The majority of the Republicans raised a ruckus about it but that the Dems said that was just profiling and a racial misjustice. What hog wash.

I do not need morons like you voting in elections…we need to go back to the days when PROPERTY OWNERS, Military and Business Owners voted and then we can get the trash out.

I also do blame Mr. Obama for spending my kids, grandkids and great grandkids money..everything you see him do is what the dems have wanted to do for 30 years and never could do….wish list..want list..do list…it is bigger than the Sears Christmas catalog and they are using our money..

State Worker

July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm

I work for a state agency. We have been taking furlough days since September of 08. If ALL agencies had taken furlough days as early as we did (teachers too) we would be in a much better position. It is not fair by no means that we are still being punished. Sonny Perdue is an incompetent Goober! The best thing he can do for this state is resign!

FedUpTeacher!

July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm

Teachers that just roll over and say “Oh okay, we will take one for the team” are the exact reason teachers do not make as much as engineers, accountants etc if you figure it out hourly. You are pretty much saying “I am not worth what those professions are worth and any time you need to balance the budget just pick my pocket”.

I love my job but I am SICK of being the fall guy.

SIck of Georgia

July 21st, 2009
7:21 pm

I’m a teacher in this state and sick of how education as a whole has been ripped the past 7 years. We’ve taken cut after cut in funding (even in prosperous times) and now being asked to work more magic for less! I wonder if the government will include teachers in the free lunch program this year?? It’s time for the true fluff to be cut (in the department of education and district central offices)! Classroom teachers are the ones that do the true work anyway!!!

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
7:22 pm

Guess who won’t be spemding $1000+ on her classroom this year. Does anyone know how teachers in Georgia can get a union started? I’ve been told that Georgia is a “right to work” state and that unions are illegal. Isn’t banning unions illegal under federal law? (I teach science, not government.)

gtfanfrom1951

July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm

I am a teacher and we gave up $500 a year so other teachers would not lose their jobs. If the government would stop wasting money for trips to 5 star hotels and trips overseas maybe the average folks would not have to suffer. I wish I could get paid to go trip overseas!

Prince O(+>

July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm

Everything is done for a reason…. We must save Georgia, so that I can go on tour again at Phillips Arena… We must save Georgia so that the teachers can teach the children about my music… We must save Georgia so that you all can go out and buy my latest C.D. only at Target! I am now the NEW KING OF POP~ Prince Roger Nelson

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
7:25 pm

I meant spending. I’m so mad I can’t type!

Another teacher

July 21st, 2009
7:25 pm

First of all, CCSD teachers already took one furlough day, a 2% pay cut, and a 50% decrease in our step increases. So, actually, this will make four furlough days. In addition, that little money we got on the teacher gift cards is gone. Who do you think pays for all the school supplies that parents don’t or can’t buy? I do.

Time for a teacher union. Keep abusing the people who are teaching your children. Keep violating our contracts that are already signed. How many parents will have to call in sick for lack of childcare when teachers in this state go on strike? By the way, according to 11alive, they are also cutting allotments.

keith

July 21st, 2009
7:27 pm

hey Vernell, can I buy you a plane ticket? one way?

boo hoo

July 21st, 2009
7:29 pm

To Oh, great: I am quite familiar with furlough meaning UNPAID. Been there done that TWICE in the private sector since 2001. The first furlough was 18 months and the second furlough was 6 months and teachers are whining about 3 days. Give me a break…oh wait, don’t I’ve already had mine, thank you.

Georgia on my mind...

July 21st, 2009
7:30 pm

Quint, I by no means meant to spit on you. That was for Billy Bob who I still think is an idiot.

Thankyou for what you do. My Dad was an educator. 38 years. Kudos for going the extra mile for your students.

Are you complaining about the furlough though? That is where you and I disagree. The entity you work for is having a budget crisis. They choose to furlough you rather than lay you off entirely. That’s good right?

I apologize to you and any other teachers I may have insulted. It wasn’t my intention. My statement was intended to criticize those who choose to work for the government and then have a problem when the government disappoints them. Good grief, name one program the gov’t has gotten right besides the military?

ObamaRules

July 21st, 2009
7:30 pm

All these economic problems are all of Bush and cheney’s fault! It will take years for Pres. Obama to clean up all this mess and problems they left. Now, another republican sonny perdue who has totally messed up the state of georgia is cutting the pay of state workers, after wasting millions on his stupid “go fish” program in his home town. Republicans only care about rich people not workers! Hopefully, the next governor is a democrat who can raise taxes on the rich to avoid all these cuts in the budget!!

confused

July 21st, 2009
7:30 pm

so are test scores suck already, so lets have certified people in our schools less. i totally see how this will help failing schools pass and passing schools continue their success. guess more parents will complain when house values fall b/c the public schools suck in the are.

Shannon

July 21st, 2009
7:33 pm

I know how we can save teachers jobs…. Get rid of the Atlanta Public School System…. Fire B. Hall, and then look into those HIGH test scores… I can’t believe that Thomasville Heights made AYP/ M.A. Jones made AYP- And BLALOCK….RED FLAG…. RED FLAG…

Dr. K

July 21st, 2009
7:33 pm

Confused:

I want you to call your teachers and thank them for the gift of grammar!

More to Come!

July 21st, 2009
7:34 pm

hey OBAMARULES,

GO AHEAD AND RAISE THE TAXES ON THE RICH AND SOON THEREAFTER YOUR LOCAL TEACHER MAKING 30-50 GRAND A YEAR WILL HAVE TO HIRE YOU WHEN THE RICH LEAVE..YOU EMBEZEL…

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
7:36 pm

I’m always amused when folks try to turn issues into Dem v. Repub, Right v. Left. Wake up you partisan-blind *idiots*. The Dems and Repubs are having upscale dinners *together* and laughing all the way to the bank at YOUR expense. PARTISANSHIP will be the ultimate demise of America. *idiots*

Georgia on my mind...

July 21st, 2009
7:36 pm

My dear idiot billy bob, you chose to enter in to the situation you are presently in. Kudos for working multiple jobs. However I chose one that does just fine. College educated eh? I highly doubt this. I am not presently getting rich by the DOC coming to Forsyth, but I intend to profit from this. I have a brain. I choose to do this. Why didn’t you? Like I said earlier, go back to your “brick” trailor. A percentage of what I pay in taxes is no doubt going to you soon. Keep complaining. It makes you look like even more of a dumbass.

Loyal State employee

July 21st, 2009
7:39 pm

I’m more disgusted for the fact that our Governor decides to blare this to the media and not tell us personally. If he wants this to be headline news, at least tell us through our supervisors first and then blare it to the news. I’m disappointed I learn I have to furlough through the AJC and not my boss.

Chuck

July 21st, 2009
7:40 pm

Why don’t we increase the state sails tax so that the illegal immigrants pay for some of the decrease in revenue. They pay no state income tax. Or just get rid of them. We teachers are not getting a raise this year and have not complained about it. Fulton County has not adopted new books in two years. The covers are falling off. We were told that students would not get social studies books for another two or three years. The books will be nothing but scraps by then. Fulton County doesn’t have the money to buy new books but they spend 100s of thousands to people in the administration office who do nothing but socialize. What a joke. Change we can believe in. Not
CRCT please
Students fail the test but passed on to the next grade anyways. Students are not stupid, we are and they take advantage of that. Schools give free breakfast to all because the school didn’t meet AYP. Socialism does not work. People wake up.

Billy Bob

July 21st, 2009
7:43 pm

Georgia On My Mind fails to see what a state worker does. We keep killers and child molesters in prison and out the community. State workers do the states dirty work. Work in a prsion see a grown man pleasure himself out in the open and you will think diffently of us and you will understand what we deal with. Better he does in prison then in front of your little GIRL!!! We a the over worked DFCS worker that has makes unthinkbale decisons everyday about the safety and welfare of the states abused and neglected child. We do this for little pay and no Gratitude. We do this while our leadership enjoys the fruits of our LAbor. Take tour some time at state prison and you will Look at us Diffently.

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
7:43 pm

@ Sick of Georgia, it’s occurring everywhere though, not just Ga. I remember working as an educator in California and each year we’d all get pink slips as a precautionary for if budget cuts had to be made. And in the inevitable event that they do, guess who gets slashed first? You guessed it. For a country who prides itself on education, we sure do a piss poor job of “SHOW AND PROVE”. If the central office admin would take ONE furlough day they’d very easily make up the short fall!

Quint

July 21st, 2009
7:46 pm

Georgia on my mind…

July 21st, 2009
7:30 pm

Apology accepted. Thanks for clarifying. No, I am not complaining about the furlough days. If it keeps people on the job, then I say we need to do our part too because their are people who are much less fortunate than teachers. I just don’t want this to be forgotten later when the good economic times return.

FedUpTeacher!

July 21st, 2009
7:47 pm

Until the general public gets it through their heads that our test scores are a SOCIAL issue there will not be any improvement.

We are teachers, not magicians. We can only work with the raw product that walks through the door, and some of you parents send some VERY raw product. Check the North Fulton schools scores. They are fantastic because they are from children that come from homes where education is a priority.

END OF STORY so stop throwing out the test scores as a reason why this furlough is okay.

bendover n takeit

July 21st, 2009
7:48 pm

Roy Barnes took away my flag. Sonny Perdue promised to give it back, then took back his promise. Roy never lied to me or took any money out of my pocket but Sonny did. For you people wondering what your kids will be taught while their teacher is furloughed. The lesson is clear. Never vote for a flag.

Billy Bob

July 21st, 2009
7:50 pm

STOP the DOC from going to TIFT COllege SO Georgia on my Mind Can Take some furlough days and do his Part since he is Planning to make a buck

Sonny-"gone fishin"

July 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

So just because California has issues it should be okay that we have to deal with them too? We don’t vote for these state leaders just expecting them to be failures, so call me crazy for being a little disapponted that Sonny, who promises that “Sonny cares” has been a major failure as governor for this state. It’s okay, once these good old boys in South GA die out maybe we’ll have some voters here that are living with a mentatlity that it’s 2009 and not 1865 and we’ll get rid of these backwoods hicks that get elected. Legalize Sunday liquor sales and gambling already!

Drew

July 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

I am a teacher and I am not happy either, but the headline under this one was the 2.9 million it took to convict Brian Nichols. HE WAS GUILTY BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED!!!!!!!

concerned teacher

July 21st, 2009
7:53 pm

For all of you calling on teachers to get real jobs (i.e. private sector jobs), I’d be happy to resign my job as a teacher and become the baby-sitter you say I am. I’ll even give you all a group discount; I’ll watch your kids for $5 an hour per child. Wait a second, that would be a huge raise ($142,500 based on the 5 five hours I actually spend with students for 190 days) I wouldn’t dream of charging you for actual planning, instruction, grading, and parent communication!! Count me in.

Georgia on my mind...

July 21st, 2009
7:53 pm

Billy Bob, you and I have disagreements. However, if you are a correctional officer, thank you for what you do. I know it is a low paying, little incentive job. That is unfortunate. It really is. But I do hear you. I do sincerely hope that the State’s decision to move you to Forsyth doesn’t affect you too much. Let me say thank you for what you do. Like I said, we may have differences, but we are all in this together. My apologies for calling names. I was reading other posts that deserved them way more than you. BTW: I have toured Jackson, and Burrus in Forsyth. I understand. Good luck.

NorthHall

July 21st, 2009
7:53 pm

My district already laid off 100 teachers and we are also getting a 2.8% pay cut. It burns me up that this furlough program is announced less than 2 weeks before pre-planning is supposed to begin. (we received our agenda for the pre-planning days today) So now we have to take a pay cut on top of a pay cut. What a mess! I’m really worried for 2010 and beyond as I see even deeper cuts ahead.

smile216

July 21st, 2009
7:53 pm

It is sad to think of the hardship that is put on any individual or their family when they are forced to take day(s) off without pay. However, surely the teachers in the state are aware that our country is in the midst of a deep recession and the unemployment rate is over 10%. That means one out of ten of all of these teacher’s friends or neighbors are without a job whatsoever! Why do teachers feel as though they should be immune to making the sacrifices the rest of the folks in the community are having to make? Seems they should be thankful that they have jobs and benefits, and stop complaining about missing a few days worth of their salary. These are tough times, and we all need to pull together and be willing to make sacrifices. If asking state employees (including teachers) to take a few days off will save money in order to avoid permanent layoffs on down the road, I’d say it’s a logical solution.

Hey Einstein

July 21st, 2009
7:55 pm

Sell booze on Sundays.
Reduce school utility bills – longer days – 4 days/wk school, daytime football games.
Assign chain gangs to those shovel ready construction jobs.
Furlough legislators.
Cut Shirley’s flower budget.
Shakedown panhandlers’ collection cups.
License 1950s era state flag.

Get over it

July 21st, 2009
7:55 pm

PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES ON AND GET OVER IT, MEN AND WOMEN IN GEORGIA HAVE LOST GOOD JOBS THIS YEAR, PEOPLE WITH 20 PLUS YEARS EMPLOYMENT.GOOD PEOPLE WITH GOOD JOBS AND CHILDREN TO RAISE. MANY STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN FURLOUGHED FOR MANY MONTHS. TEACHERS ARE CRITICAL TO OUR STATE’S INFRASTRUCTURE BUT NOT MORE THAN OUR OTHER PUBLIC SERVANTS, GEORGIA STATE PATROLMEN, PUBLIC HEALTH NURSES, ETC.
SUCK IT UP, PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES AND DEAL WITH IT. TRY BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION INSTEAD OF PART OF THE PROBLEM OR YOU MAY GET A “C” FOR NOT PLAYING WELL OTHERS.

scott hobby

July 21st, 2009
7:56 pm

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Georgia on my mind...

July 21st, 2009
7:57 pm

Quint, God bless ya. I wish you much luck. I agree with you about when things turn around. THEY WILL!!!! Then it’ll be time for much deserved raises, etc. Good luck

mad italian

July 21st, 2009
7:59 pm

OK Sonny-Who’s gonna pay for the sub’s when all the teacher get together and take the same day off? Just extend summer break for everybody by 3 days so the teacher don’t feel cheated and you don’t have to worry about finding someone to cover the classes.

Courtney

July 21st, 2009
8:00 pm

We could’ve had more tax money with a casino at Underground. NO! We could’ve allowed Sunday sales of alcohol? NO!! The state did not want to get any more revenue so here we sit.

CCSD employee

July 21st, 2009
8:01 pm

I love the fact that this is happening right at the last minute-just as the teachers are coming back. If the furloughs were really about saving jobs, I’d be all for it, but in the great county of cobb, we’re hiring new folks who really don’t need to be hired in the made up positions created by top officials. My favorite comment was Kathy Cox describing how they will work to keep morale up while keeping student achievement as the top priority. I’m confused…how will student achievement increase when teachers aren’t there? As for me, My parking spot will also be empty on my furlough days.

mikey

July 21st, 2009
8:01 pm

i am a superviser in a department always on call so when i am taking my furlough day the phone will be turned off!

FedUpTeacher!

July 21st, 2009
8:02 pm

Hey Smile216
We are not happy because we ALREADY HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS. Our pay does not match up to other professions with our degrees if you look at it hourly. Our insurance is going up every year, we don’t get pay raises, we are expected to do more for less every single year.

We are not happy because the state government never gets creative in ways to find money because its just easier to take our pay. This is not the first time this has happened.

Dan

July 21st, 2009
8:03 pm

I am a state employee & we have not had comparable raises with teachers for years. We didn’t get one in January & have been told not to expect one for the next two years. Our case loads have exploded(say 1400) & it’s not uncommon to work 50+ hrs per week & we only get paid for the 40 & no comp time either. You may think we are nuts, but if the work does not get done, we are threatened with being fired or getting a pay cut. There is no telling how many buildings the state rents. And what about the part time legislators? When do they take a pay cut? I figure when the people who are sucking on the government nipple, don’t get their benefits on time & start razing hell, we’ll just be under the thumb of the power brokers all the more. Am I pissed? You’re darn tootin’ I am. Nearly 30 yrs of faithful service & we continue to get put down & told how sorry we are. I’m too close to retirement to go elsewhere. I’m stuck & they know it.

confused

July 21st, 2009
8:04 pm

I was thinking if i were a student today i would pray for furloughed teachers. think how easy it would be to skip school, because none of the subs know who u r. or if they furlugh teachers on professional days for them to plan then i would know i would have more free time because my teachers did not have anytime for planning because they were always answering calls/e-mails form parents and administrators. win win in the kids mind. i am sure it won’t hurt education at all.

Jessica

July 21st, 2009
8:04 pm

For those of you who are not teachers, you should sit in on a class and follow the teacher for a few days. You have no idea what teachers go through on a regular basis. I am not down-grading anyone’s job and I am not saying that I am not lucky to have a job, because I am!!! But, some people honestly think that being a teacher is not a “real” job! Are you kidding me? Wake-up! Where would you all be without teachers? Some of you have no clue what goes on in a teachers life. During the school year, we have 30 students or more to teach and prepare great lessons for. When the bell rings at the end of the day, the teacher’s job is not over. Plenty of teachers and myself, go into work 30 minutes to an hour early and leave 2 or 3 hours after we can leave…AND we still take work home to ensure that all of our students needs are being individually met! I can’t believe what I have been reading from some of you people. You have no clue!!!!

common sense

July 21st, 2009
8:05 pm

This should wake people up to the fact that the government can’t afford to provide you with everything. We need to get back to the basic functions of government.
To start we need to stop providing retirement to government employees. We can’t pay people for life. It doesn’t make sense. Those of us working in the real world must save for our retirement.

Not a Priarie Dog!

July 21st, 2009
8:06 pm

Teacher Bashers: You are just jealous because we choose the greatest job in society. Sure, we get paid less every year but at least I am not in a cube.

Educator

July 21st, 2009
8:07 pm

Could be worse. Monroe Academy in Forsyth, GA closed for good today. What would you do if you taught there? Furlough sounding a little better than losing your job completely? Sad. really sad.

Jessica

July 21st, 2009
8:08 pm

I would also like to make note, that plenty of teachers ARE losing their jobs! Wake-up people! We are not immune!

d

July 21st, 2009
8:08 pm

Just one thing, and not saying non-teaching state employees are more expendable, but when you look at facts, teachers are paid for 190 days, other state employees for 260. 3 unpaid days hurts the teachers 26% worse than it hurts the other employees.

chris

July 21st, 2009
8:12 pm

To the folks who think it’s a breach of contract:

Have you actually read the contract before you ever signed it? It states that they can change it pretty much at will and you have no such right. It makes sense considering that you are an employee and do not “own” the job. It is disappointing that all of the rights are reserved for the school board and there are extremely limited grounds for a teacher to terminate the contract without a potential hit to their credentials. But, if you don’t like them terms, then don’t sign it.

I’ll never understand why teachers continue to sentence themselves to indentured servitude to the state for 12 months at a time.

Wendy

July 21st, 2009
8:15 pm

What’s the signed contract for? It said 190 days paid, not 187 days!! This a lawsuit in the making.

Josh M

July 21st, 2009
8:15 pm

Why don’t we work on getting the thousands of illegal aliens out of our schools? There are entire schools – many in DeKalb and Gwinnett, particularly – that are 90% full of illegals.

Create a law that simply says “one parent must be a legal citizen for a child to become legal in the state of Georgia,” and watch millions flee to become another state’s budgetary problem.

FedUpTeacher!

July 21st, 2009
8:18 pm

“What’s the signed contract for? It said 190 days paid, not 187 days!! This a lawsuit in the making.”

Are you kidding? They don’t even include a salary in that contract. Just sign here in Feb. and we will pay you what we feel like after the budget is settled in May.

All you private sector workers, how many of you are put in that position?

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
8:19 pm

Sonny Gone Fishin: you completely misunderstood my post if THAT’s all you got from it. Sucks for you

BS

July 21st, 2009
8:21 pm

Instead of making TEACHERS take unpaid time off why dont you go to downtown and lay some off the employees taht stand around all day. Or let the local goverments lay off the four people who are watching the fifth person do all the work? Why dont we lay off the Dr.s that way police, firemen and teachers will ALL be laid off. What a load of complete GD BS

DAWGS

July 21st, 2009
8:22 pm

How typical.

Sad State of Affairs

July 21st, 2009
8:23 pm

Reading a lot of these comments makes me realize why we are where we are – the stupidity of so many people! We are in this mess because the federal government pushed for mortgages to be given to people that couldn’t afford them. Then the idiots who took out the loans with no money down didn’t realize they couldn’t afford them. You also had greedy people that tried to make money providing the mortgages that people couldn’t afford, then packaging and selling them as investments. Everyone wanted to live beyond their means, everyone “deserved” to have a house, and it was all a house of cards. Now those of us that lived BELOW our means are being affected. Our taxes are going to bail out everyone who was irresponsible. Responsible people are losing their jobs through no fault of their own. I work in the private sector and my company has been through round after round of layoffs until we could layoff no more, so now the few that are left have 3x the amount of work and have taken a 7% pay cut. These 3 furlough days amount to a 1.58% pay cut for the teachers (do the math those of you that can which is probably precious few – 3/190 = 0.01578…). Of course, to really do the math you would then have to figure out that you have to multiply the result by 100 to get the percentage. We are rapidly becoming a 3rd world country filled with whiners and losers that expect the government to give them everything from houses, to healthcare, to cars, to gas. Yeah, Obama will save us all!! What a joke. Class warfare = communism. Here we come Soviet style economy. We’ll be waiting in line for hours to get our loaves of bread in a few years. History has shown us communism doesn’t work. Of course the political elite will live like kings while the middle class is destroyed.

myalibi

July 21st, 2009
8:23 pm

I posted earlier, but it never made it. I took a 2% pay cut and a furlough day, and lost 6 people on my team; 7 now thanks to NSO. We have 14 schools that need techs. Push ahead with 21st century technology and less people to support it. What I heard was, be happy to have a job, do more with less, you are expendable. We always do more with less, our folks do everything they can to help teachers and schools. We were always short-staffed. No help from any higher ups, even though they have the power to re-instate the techs. Take a higher pay cut from the top. The rest of us cannot bleed anymore.

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
8:24 pm

“Also, it’s funny how during the “good economic times” that people were saying that there’s no way they’d teach because they don’t get paid enough. Now, everyone thinks teachers get paid too much. I’m not a teacher by the way.”

I felt this needed to be repeated. Thanks again, LOLO. Utterly flabbergasted at some of the comments in here bashing educators.

John

July 21st, 2009
8:25 pm

The average 1st year teacher makes about 36K per year for 190 days work. That’s a little over $23 per hour. Not bad for an entry level part-time job. What the issue here?

AngryTeacher

July 21st, 2009
8:26 pm

I’m sick of Sonny Perdue and republicans trying to cut teacher benefits and salaries! We work hard enough as it is on weekends and nights grading papers, etc. and don’t get paid for it. We don’t get paid in the summer either! Our contract is supposed to pay us for 190 days and rich republicans can’t suddenly change the rules because they screwed up the budget with waste and fraud. I’m calling other teachers about starting a union—enough is enough.

Cobb Teacher

July 21st, 2009
8:27 pm

Marshal- I know this may shock you but I’m a public school teacher AND a Republican. I was just wondering how long you have worked as a teacher in the public school system? You seem to have a lot of inside “knowledge” about how hard teachers work and how much they are being over paid. Maybe you were a student in the public school system and have a negative opinion of teachers but you shouldn’t criticize an entire group of workers unless you have walked a mile in their shoes and know what its like to do their job. I don’t know what you do but I bet its not easy. Everyone has bosses and everyone is held accountable.

Do you have any kids? In terms of class size it doesn’t matter if a student goes to public or private school, bigger class sizes equal less education for our kids.

I don’t mind taking a pay cut and I don’t mind going on a few days of unpaid vacation. All I care about is what saves jobs, tax payer money, and what is good for the children of Georgia. If the county school boards do the right thing they will take away some of the inservice days and pre-planning days that teachers use to prepare for the school year. Each teacher will then be faced with the choice of working for free to make things as perfect as they can be for the school year or take the days off and fall behind the preparation curve a little bit. (This may surprise you…but many of those teachers will choose to work for free so that they feel well prepared to teach their students. They will look at it as better than the alternative because they want to do the best job they can do. Some won’t do that because they feel with all the night and weekend hours they already put in off the clock that they don’t want to raise expectation levels any hire than what they already are.)

I’m proud of the governor. He has done a great job for the state of Georgia. I voted for him twice and will strongly consider doing so again if he runs for state or national political office in the future. Tough times call for tough decisions. I just wish he would have called for the shut down of all school districts for three days instead of just furloughing the teachers. We could have saved even more money and no one would feel obligated to work for free.

Oh, by the way Marshal, I’m tired of people trash talking our teachers because I see how hard they work to get things done. Then again I bet there is someone who makes you angry because they think you don’t work hard enough or that your over paid. Anyone who works in a service industry has to get used to the fact that some people aren’t going to be happy with what you do. But, I promise you, that without knowing what it takes to do your job I would never presume to suggest that you were over paid or lazy. Have a nice day!

TW

July 21st, 2009
8:28 pm

Based on how this Jerry Springer Show of a state votes, there’s really no need for school at all in Georgia, America’s anus. Want an education? Move North. We welcome those of you who value an education.

confused

July 21st, 2009
8:31 pm

become teacher to help students learn while knowing your pay will always suck and you will be the but of comedians’ jokes and crapped on by the media. become an entertainer, big time politician, pro athlete, or big time executive and its ok to screw over America because the rules don’t apply to you, and people wonder what’ wrong with society. i’ll take back my sarcasm when we start throwing fits about the millions people make who provide nothing of true worth or tangible use to American society.

Jessica

July 21st, 2009
8:31 pm

To John:

It would be good pay, if we really did only work part-time. I have been up to my classroom every week this summer just to be prepared (that’s not part of my 190 days of pay). During the school year, I work 12 hours a day and even on the weekends to get things done, with no overtime. Part-time my A$$!!!

bendover n takeit

July 21st, 2009
8:32 pm

Dan

I feel your pain. Thirty years and nowhere else to go.

Why the beef?

July 21st, 2009
8:33 pm

I work as Plant Manager for a manufacturing company. So far this year, every employee at our plant, including me, has seen a significant reduction in salary, incentive, and wage payments. By significant, I mean as much as 15% – 20%. My wife is a teacher, and I hate to see us lose three days of her pay … but I don’t understand all the griping and complaining by the teachers. If you give up three days out of 190, that’s less than a 1.6% reduction in pay! Count yourselves lucky! Many teachers sound as if they are the only ones suffering due to the ongoing recession. In fact, their pay and benefits are far better protected than most private-sector and even most other government employees … regardless of race, region, or income level. Like it or not, we’re all in this together. Let’s live within our means, help those around us who are in need, and pray that the economy doesn’t get much worse before it gets better again.

Concerned Teacher

July 21st, 2009
8:33 pm

Let me begin by saying that I am thankful to have a job. In addition, I certainly understand the state that our State is in, and I understand the need to find ways to cut money. However, the “Education Gov” and his audacity have gone to far this time. To begin with, teachers work much more than the eight hours they are paid for. I have just spent 30 hours of my summer (without pay) in a Professional Learning Class. I, along with the ladies that I work with, have spent a total of 45.5 hours (again…without pay) this month creating materials for several interdiciplinary units that we are going to implement. As teachers, most of us do these things every summer. Most of us do these things without complaining. We do these things because we enjoy teaching and we enjoy seeing our students succeed. We enjoy our content, and we want our students to enjoy the content. All employees in my county received a 4.5% paycut for the 09-10 school year. Again, this was not something that we wanted, but we are thankful for a job, and we are certainly aware of the situation that our state and our county are facing.

Now, I am pissed off! I am being asked to give up three precious days. Regardless of if these days are being taken during pre-planning, post-planning or other workdays, we need those days! We do not sit around on our behinds and waste time on those days. They are spent in meetings, planning lessons, getting our rooms ready, packing our rooms because we are changing grade levels or subjects, professional development, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Our “Education Governor” has gone to far!!!!!!!!

I have never supported unions. I have never thought that teachers should strike when they are unhappy. This is not in the best interest of our children! However, this has certainly changed my mind. We need a UNION. Page and GEA need to step up to the plate. Teachers need to step up to the plate during the next round of elections. ROY BARNES is certainly looking like a real GEM!

We need to ban together and work our 8 hours. We need to take a stand! Walk in at 8. Walk out at 4. Forget supervising students at the bus or in the car rider line! Forget about staying for those faculty meetings after school. Forget about coming in early to assist students.

When should we set up our classrooms? How about the first three days the students are there? Excuse me children…..here are your 3 days of book work. I have to unpack the boxes from my change of grade levels. The state took away my three workdays. I am sorry that the room is not set up. I am sorry that I do not have those engaging lessons planned.

How about the governor and his staff taking 3 days off. Oh, I forgot, that is probably not an option. How much money would that save?

Now that I have my frustrations out, I would never do those things that I stated two paragraphs above. I care about my students. I want them to master the curriculum.

We need some new leadership in our state. From the Governor to all those who said a special session was not needed. Parents, teachers, PAGE, GEA, etc, we should not be putting up with this! While this “Education Governor” pulled the wool over my eyes and those of many other Georgia Teachers, we cannot let this happen again. I didn’t expect a pay raise, and I was okay with a pay cut. I do, however, expect you to respect me as an educator. I do, however, aske you to respect may work days.

I have an idea. Let’s make our school year 187 days. Let’s end the school year three days earlier. The CRCT will be over. Test scores will not suffer. My work days will be protected! I won’t be upset! I am okay losing three days….just not those days that are precious to me! Keep the children home, close the schools. That will save you money. Electricity, transportation, salary, that is some real savings!

PO'ed

July 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

John you are an IDIOT if you think teachers only work 190 days a year. Teachers are required to go to workshops over the summer and during breaks. Not to mention coming in early and staying late every day! Sonny Perdue AND John can kiss my A$$!!

csquared

July 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

way to go Sonny, great timing since you don’t have to worry about elected office anymore. Please remind me, just where did GA schools fall in educational attainment in the last few years? Oh yeah, that’s right, AT THE BOTTOM. Maybe raise the ticket prices for a few of them DAWGS games and there’s no shortfall.

Unbelievable

July 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

Still LMAO@ “Educators being overpaid”. MANY of my fellow co-workers, in better economic times, held TWO jobs JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. Don’t give me that “just be thankful you have a job” crap. We’ve been fighting this battle for DECADES. Now that times are tough, not only should we cease and desist but let some of you tell it, we should also be thankful for our meager earnings. You know what? Many of you wouldn’t put up with HALF the crap educators by and large have to endure on a daily basis for minimal pay, ECONOMIC CONDITIONS NOTWITHSTANDING. Or maybe you would NOW that you have no other choice. A friend of mine once said he’d never teach even if his life depended on it b/c we don’t earn enough. Guess who just asked me to keep my ears open on job postings?! A LOT of you are eating crow right now, bet those teaching jobs look more secure and appealing to those of you who swore by the “those who can, do. Those who can’t teach” mantra. Fact is, you wouldn’t willing spend a day in our shoes so YOU shut up and continue to collect your unemployment. BET IT’S STILL MORE THAN WHAT I MAKE.

Martin

July 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

Vernell……please stop with “the white man is putting me down” crap. How about taking responsibility for your own future! I am a black man who gets sick and tired of other blacks blaming their troubles on someone else. I get sick of the “entitlement” mentality. No one owes you a thing. You are free to return to New Jersey. Although I bet the reason you came to Georgia in the first place was for a better opportunity. If you are determined to sit around waiting on someone to give you something…..you will always be empty handed!!

Lowrider

July 21st, 2009
8:36 pm

If this actually happens and I’m sure it will (if not even more days) they SHOULD shorten the school year by 3 days. The savings will also help the local school districts by not transporting students and not heating or cooling schools. Teachers need every planning day they can get.

CRAP

July 21st, 2009
8:37 pm

How do teachers go about starting a union?

unclefast

July 21st, 2009
8:39 pm

Everybody wants low or no taxes, but sooner or later, we have to give something up. Also, teachers who join PAGE should thank that hideous organization for all its help in getting teachers the right to buy a car tag.

Tired

July 21st, 2009
8:40 pm

The rich administrators like Comm Walker ($172000), and her management group should take a larger cut than the poor case workers making less than $30000. I work in DFCS and we just had a child killed because of lack of case workers and poor supervision and leadership. The cuts are hurting social programs also.

Creflo Dollar

July 21st, 2009
8:40 pm

Send me some money and the Lord will bless you 10 fold. I don’t care if you are black, white, or illegal Mexican so as long as your money is green. Make that check payable to Citizens Against State Handouts or CASH for short. See you in church on Sunday.

JUNK

July 21st, 2009
8:40 pm

“Why the Beef” teachers are mad because they are passionate about teaching kids and requiring them to take off 3 days a year is nothing but bad for the kids!

unclefast

July 21st, 2009
8:41 pm

CRAP,
There is one called GAE, but it’s been eclipsed by PAGE, because PAGE is cheaper…….and worthless.

Matt the Brave

July 21st, 2009
8:41 pm

And why aren’t we working on an 160 day calendar for schools yet? We’d eliminate the two hottest months of the year, saving millions in cooling costs, gasoline expenses, and also food expenses. Think about it!

Georgia educator

July 21st, 2009
8:42 pm

OK first our pay cut, no 2% raises, and now three furloughed days. Why does Purdue and his adminstration not take furlough days themselves? As a matter of fact did his salary get a cut? and if so I wonder if it was merely a tickle for compared to us working class citizen trying to survive. Man what are they doing with the money?????????

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
8:42 pm

Fellow teachers – Enough is enough! How about a Teacher Flu Day on September 9th? Since we’re just babysitters in many parent’s minds, let’s have them try to find chldcare for that day.

JEM

July 21st, 2009
8:42 pm

Why all of this negative republican/democrat banter? It reminds of some of the students I taught, very childish. I am a Liberal Retired Teacher. Be glad, teachers, that you have a job. Be glad that new teachers won’t have to be let off in larger numbers. Most of the teachers still have jobs and will have jobs minus 3 days pay which will be prorated over 12 months. You will hardly miss it, but YOU WILL HAVE A JOB when others are jobless and suffering.

Sonny not very smart.........

July 21st, 2009
8:43 pm

What a joke of a governor! He has never funded education. To answer your questions I assume most systems will take non-instructional days off so children won’t be impacted. The good news here is this will ensure that Sonny and Bush go down as the worst 2 leaders ever!

ShraKresha Smith

July 21st, 2009
8:43 pm

Dont be axing me to take no dayum furlow days…..fo shizzle. I beez needin dat money since my wellfare chek beez just enuf fo my rint and my lotto tickits. Whitey bee tryin to keep a sista down….fo shizzy up in tha hizzy

Matt the Brave

July 21st, 2009
8:43 pm

Btw, CRAP and UncleFast, both PAGE and GAE are not unions, they are professional organizations. A teacher’s union in Georgia is illegal under state law and any teacher that tries to join one or form one will be put under disciplinary action (ie: fired). Also, any teacher who comes to the state who is a member of a teacher’s union must renounce their membership before they are offered a contract.

Applause

July 21st, 2009
8:43 pm

Martin is my new hero.

Socialist

July 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

Canada is looking better every day.

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

For the last time – PAGE and GAE are NOT UNIONS!

TRASH

July 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

Vernell,

This is not about race, but income level. The rich get richer and the middle class continue to get screwed!

donna

July 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

See ya Vernell.

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
8:47 pm

I’m always amused when folks try to turn issues into Dem v. Repub, Right v. Left. Wake up you partisan-blind *idiots*. The Dems and Repubs are having upscale dinners *together* and laughing all the way to the bank at YOUR expense. PARTISANSHIP will be the ultimate demise of America. *idiots*

csquared

July 21st, 2009
8:48 pm

I will say this to GA TEACHERS, ya’ll got what you wanted in Sonny. Played you like a bigmouth bass. maybe next time around, you won’t kneejerk and vote for the…..(insert YOUR OWN adjective here).

browntime

July 21st, 2009
8:49 pm

What happen to the 800million dollars stimulus money? Teachers has the most importat job in America. also, why was this a SECRET VOTE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joltinjack

July 21st, 2009
8:49 pm

For the macho, neo-conservative, private sector heroes that bash teachers, and other state employees, you should be aware that there are plenty of people who work for large private firms who work in cubicles and know how to artfully dodge an honest day of work. There’s also a lot of idiots on bar stools in these right-wing hangouts that like to come up with all kinds of contrived crap as to why people who work in the public sector are draining our economy. I worked in industrial sales in Atlanta for over ten years, and did it quite successfully. That was a job where you clearly had to pull your own weight, plus some of the weight of a lot of other people with guaranteed salaries who worked in administration. As a high school math teacher who has taught for 15 years at the same school, I can tell you that teaching in these times is very challenging, and is a lot more stressful than you can comprehend (if you’ve never done it). As far as pay, like the poster above mentioned, we sign a contract to work 190 days (180 teaching days). We do not get paid for Summer days off. For those teachers who work for school systems that are already taking days off to ease budget conditions, they damn sure have a right to complain. Yes, there are those teachers who whine about any and everything, because they have never worked anywhere else. What am I getting at? Aim with a rifle and not a shotgun to target your criticism to those who deserve it.

HERBIE

July 21st, 2009
8:52 pm

“Courtney if you hate Sonny then you must hate Jesus.”

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
8:53 pm

For the record – this teacher did not vote for Sonny. What does a veternarian know about running a state? Nothing! And Sonny’s proved it.

I wasn't blinded by Sonny's promises

July 21st, 2009
8:53 pm

I voted againt Sonny both times….just saying.

Right Wing Zealot

July 21st, 2009
8:55 pm

This is Obama’s fault. We should have voted for McCain because Republicans care about education more than democrats. Obama is a Socialist. Taliban, 9/11, and uh, whatever else the gullible American public believes on any give day. Hallelujah.

Sonny do for himself

July 21st, 2009
8:57 pm

The funny thing is these backwoods rednecks don’t even know what socialism or any other economical or political term means.

Right Wing Zealot

July 21st, 2009
8:57 pm

I don’t care about Vernell being black but if ALL the transplants, ESPECIALLY YOU NORTHERNERS, would head back to their respective (ha) states we southerners would greatly appreciate it and maybe, just maybe, there’d be more jobs for us

Metro Teacher

July 21st, 2009
8:58 pm

As a teacher, I know what “they” expect when they give us furlough days (on the record, it’ll be during planning days or student holiday/teacher workdays): They think we’ll still go in and work for free. Does free pay childcare while I’m at school not getting paid? NOPE.

Gus from Forsyth

July 21st, 2009
9:00 pm

I no wut a soshalest iz. A soshalest is a TEROREST and all TERORESTS shud be kilt! death to the soshalests!!!!!!!!!!!

2cents

July 21st, 2009
9:00 pm

I’m amazed by the comments. Society in general helped to put us in this situation. When the events of a celebrity becomes the most important news line of the day, when we point the finger instead of saying ‘what can I do?’, when we become an ‘I’ society instead of an ‘US’society, when we chose a high-end cell phone over paying a bill. I’ve only been around for 40 years and the most solid I remember our country was right after 9/11. Not for the war, but how ‘OUR COUNTRY’ came together to help each other. Why can’t we capture that feeling again? Where is our solidarity? One man cannot correct this. No one man put us into this situation. What can You do…what can We do…to help Us all?

Vote, get involved, make a difference.

jeepmomma

July 21st, 2009
9:03 pm

So what about the School Supers and the Assistant Supers and School Principals, does this apply to them as well Mr. Perdue? And are you taking 3 days of furlough as well along with all the legislators and people in your office? Lets make cuts where it will really counts. I am sure if the Supers of the county have to take 3 days of a pay cut they will truly understand what life is all about. If we are going to make a difference then you need to do it the right way and do it fairly, don’t just hit the teachers. Hit thier bosses too, all the way to the top, better yet start from the top you first. Let’s really make a difference.

Sonny do for himself

July 21st, 2009
9:05 pm

What’s even more amazing is how these church going hillbillies in GA that go listen to sermons about acceptance and getting along with others still hate everyone but themselves.

George Dubya

July 21st, 2009
9:05 pm

Sonny Perdue is one of the greatest men alive and the decider for your state you people should be more respectful to your decider!!! And you loud mouthed, liberal hippie teachers should be thankful you still have jobs in this economy. Some of US are indeed suffering! God Bless America, amen.

Dad of two

July 21st, 2009
9:06 pm

Why not eliminate public schools all together? Think of the tax savings! No busses, utilities, free lunches, salaries, buildings, etc. With the financial windfall, the state could give every taxpayer a $2000 voucher (per child) to use at the private school of their choice. People who can’t afford private school tuition could just stay home and homeschool. Problem solved. Or maybe not.

Hmmm, lets rethink this.

Red Foreman

July 21st, 2009
9:06 pm

Let Fatboy and the Ga Congress work for free until the next election cycle…bunch of effn tards…They are about as bad as Presbo da Clown and the Surrender Monkeys….Im voting Libertarian next time…God this country is turning PUZZY!!!!!!!!

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
9:06 pm

Has Sonny and his budget gurus factored in the income tax revenue lost on the 3 days that stste workers will not be paid?
Metro teacher, I won’t be going in on my furlough days either.

Sick of paying for illegals

July 21st, 2009
9:07 pm

WHEN will we wake up and send half of mexico, that has moved to the US, back to Mexico!

NOT the father

July 21st, 2009
9:08 pm

This is Obama’s fault. I’m not sure how but it is, cause Shepard Smith and Rush Limbaugh said so. Therefore it’s true.

Winona Jones

July 21st, 2009
9:08 pm

Why is everyone complaining, you help put this man in office, the only person this governor is concern about is himself, his wife, his children and his grandchildren!!!! Wake Up and realize this people and do something about it, why don’t you demand a watchdog group to see where the stimulus money is going: answer– It’s going right into his BIG BANK ACCOUNT.

fulldawg

July 21st, 2009
9:12 pm

Just another typical “Sonny” Day in Georgia. “Bizness” as usual, let’s just “Go Fish”

Nothing's Recessionproof

July 21st, 2009
9:12 pm

Why all the job bashing? It takes all types for a community to run. Read what people are saying. No wonder people don’t want to teach. You need a bachelors degree, if not a masters to afford in the metro area of a city like Atlanta. So, yes, a few days is a big deal. Would we all do it? Of course. The typical teacher has a high set of morals and extreme dedication to children and a career which is basically thankless. How else could we continue to do it every day?

Overworked and underpaid

July 21st, 2009
9:12 pm

Here is the best way to save money for the state: It seems the state wants our job to be making our state schools look good by making ayp. We teach the test all year to the students. We administer the test in early April. We end school after the test is administered because we have completed teaching all the standards the state requires the students to be tested on. We all know that after the test has been administered, school is unofficially out anyway. Students start laying out, and forget giving our students any enrichment. If you don’t make ayp, your school’s punishment is eight more weeks of school for teachers and students. Gives the students a little incentive to hurry up and get out of school early and makes the teachers so happy. Everybody wins.

Al Gore

July 21st, 2009
9:13 pm

None of this would have happened if you dummies had made the right decision in 2000. God is punishing America for being stupid. It took 8 years to create this mess and you numb nuts are expecting for it all to be “fixed” in 8 MONTHS. If only the American public could be as forgiving toward Mr. Obama as they were toward GWB. God doesn’t like hypocrisy, you’re being punished.

strive

July 21st, 2009
9:13 pm

This is not a white/black issue, it is about a government that seems to out of touch with the working class. Teachers are under-valued, no doubt. I’m a single mother that can’t afford private school and I am as disgusted as the next person. I am not a teacher, but I work hard every day and I appreciate those great teachers that strive for excellence. I am very sorry for those furloughed..I wish I could help.

teacher for 14 years

July 21st, 2009
9:14 pm

I think Dad of two makes a good point–where would we be without our public schools? In the 14 years I have been a Georgia public school teacher, I have seen class sizes rise, fall, and rise again. I have seen salaries rise (when Zell was Governor), stagnate, and now decline.

This country was built on the backs of the public schools. It is time to treat teachers with respect as was done two centuries ago. Teachers are highly trained professionals who devote their lives to the betterment of society.

A public school teacher will earn, in a lifetime, what a pro athlete will earn in one season. As Dad of two said, “lets rethink this.”

Lee

July 21st, 2009
9:14 pm

Thank heaven this is Sonny’s last term

Evil Old English Teacher

July 21st, 2009
9:15 pm

Fine. If they want to pay us for ONLY 186 days– fine. I say we, as teachers, get together and do an informal strike.

Since we can not form unions or officially strike, I say we pull a work-to-the-rule strike. Work-to-rule is an age old protest action in which teachers would do no more than the minimum required by the rules of our contract and follow guidelines during our contracted hours.

This would mean no more coaching, no more tutoring, no more help sessions, no more parent- conferences (unless during the operating school hours of 8Am- 4PM) and no more GRADING OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL. My English 101 papers would take months to grade. Goodness, I don’t know if I’d even get to the Freshman research paper.

Sounds lovely to me. I have problem at all working my newly contracted hours.

say what?

July 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

GA could do like California and just lay off thousands of teachers each year, and double up kids in the classroom- nothing illegal about it. Be happy for the job you decided to go to school for, and like the rest of us professionally trained staff- “make it do what it do”. DFCS has been without resources and pay for over 40 years, yet some workers accept the job duties and get it done daily. There are people with 1400 cases, who don’t make an error in payment on a FS case. If they made an error on a FS case, then the federal government asks nicely for $215 per dollar in error for every month that the benefit was wrong. So an elderly case of $10 mo benefits, may be in error because the auth rep did not tell about the annuity, no matter how small, the elderly person has- well the fed’s want to recoup the FS and it wants 2150 penalty (GA taxpayer money) for every month that the truth wasn’t told. So stop the complaining and know that someone else may be worst off than you. Let one case in 1200 be wrong and you get a PDP, let one kid mess up on the CRCT, you still have a job.

And for those of you who don’t remember, SONNY was a democrat, but he wasn’t taken seriously by the leadership. Now we know why- incompetence.

bendover n takeit

July 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

To George Dubya

I’ll be praying for your poor lost soul

Democrat in Disguise

July 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

I’m having dinner with Sonny tomorrow night. Send your opinions to wedontgiveadamn@gmail.com or allpoliticansareinbedforgreed@aol.com, and I’ll be sure he gets them.

George Dubya

July 21st, 2009
9:19 pm

bendover: you’re a left wing liberal hippie aren’t ya??? Why can’t you see that Sonny is a great man and that Republicans have America’s best interest at heart?? Are you a terrorist??? Don’t you support our troops?? YOU’RE UNPATRIOTIC!!!!!!!!!!

confused

July 21st, 2009
9:20 pm

I was wondering if states stopped offering corporations ridiculous tax incentives to move around if there would be any savings and more money for states. Maybe between cutting out tax incentives where companies don’t have to pay any taxes for 20 years and kicking out people who do not pay all their taxes places like Georgia and California would be better off when it comes to money.

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
9:21 pm

Would someone with a legal background please explain why teachers can’t have a union in Georgia?

say what?

July 21st, 2009
9:21 pm

And for those mad at Obama and doing the name calling, the bills for the last 8 years have come due. Now what? Keep doing what Bush did and make you “feel” good about a heck of a guy? If he had been a democrat I would be saying the same thing. Just a crappy 8 years.

Lee

July 21st, 2009
9:21 pm

If there is any way to avoid it, please don’t send your kid’s to government schools especially in GA…..all will regret it eventually

Oh Brother

July 21st, 2009
9:21 pm

@ Teacher for 14 years: “A public school teacher will earn, in a lifetime, what a pro athlete will earn in one season. As Dad of two said, “lets rethink this.”

You mean LESS THAN A QUARTER of what they earn in one season, right?? Some of these clowns make upwards of $10 mil. America TOTALLY has their priorities in line!

TIVO

July 21st, 2009
9:22 pm

Why are YOU people complaining now. After all you voted him in by overwhelming margins, so now just BEND OVER BABY..and take it..

Kim

July 21st, 2009
9:24 pm

Who will teach/babysit your children during a furlough???? Typically in a furlough the teachers will report to work and not get paid.Cherokee County is furloughing teachers during preplanni9ng so it does not affect your children’s education

NOT the father

July 21st, 2009
9:25 pm

But IT IS Obama’s fault though. So what he’s only been in office 6 months? He’s supposed to have been able to fix everything by now! He’s a Socialist terrorist. Rush says it’s so, therefore it MUST be true. Are you calling Rush a liar? You will be arrested for treason if so, I can trace your location.

Educator

July 21st, 2009
9:25 pm

Sonny is being a LEADER. That’s why you all fall in line.

Educator

July 21st, 2009
9:27 pm

I really don’t care. I really don’t. I chose to send my kids to a private school. Have fun with your government problems.

George Dubya

July 21st, 2009
9:27 pm

If you don’t support your decider Sonny then you’re a liberal terrorist. And shut up about all the surplus $ I squandered in just 2 years, that money was supposed to be spent wasn’t it??????????????? Sissy, unpatriotic liberals are gonna get what’s coming to em.

Concerned

July 21st, 2009
9:28 pm

I know that other agencies have already taken 3-4 furlough days this year without a raise in sight for I don’t know how long. I am a huge supporter of teachers. However, I think that this step is inevitable. If teachers aren’t furloughed how many more days would this add to the other agencies. Like someone stated earlier some of these agencies are spread too thin already. Social Workers, Inspectors. PCA happened before furlough’s what will happen now?

bendover n takeit

July 21st, 2009
9:30 pm

George

I was a hippie back in the 70’s. Wasn’t everybody. I’m an independent and call them like I see them. But the worst mistake I ever made besides getting married was voting for Sonny Perdue. And I’m still trying to figure out which was the greater evil.

Courtney

July 21st, 2009
9:32 pm

“You can’t blame Obama as he has only been in office 6 months”…..?????? I am sorry but isn’t that 1/8 of his term? If I got nothing done in the first 1/8th of my day I would not have a job any longer.

I luv Sonny

July 21st, 2009
9:32 pm

OMG!!! I thought children were the crybabies. Sonny, call me and we’ll go fishin and eat some good ole Georgia peanuts for 3 days. I’ll bring the beer. Whew, all this bitchin is making me thirsty.

Upset Teacher

July 21st, 2009
9:32 pm

I am calling the governor’s office tomorrow to let him know I do not appreciate being furloughed during the time of year when they know we put in endless hours to begin with. Basically all teachers will have to work those days anyways, now just without pay…RIDICULOUS!

George Dubya

July 21st, 2009
9:36 pm

Well somebody’s been listening to Rush and FOX News besides me. Kudos to you, Courtney. I tried telling these people that Obama should have had 8 years worth of problems fixed in 6 months or less but nooooooooo. Do they hear me?? Noooooooo, smh

Christine Smith

July 21st, 2009
9:36 pm

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I will be calling the govenor’s office tomorrow to let him know that I do not appreciate being furloughed during the time of year that teachers are the busiest. We already work lots of overtime preparing for school, and now are going to have to work these days for FREE! Anyone with me on calling to voice your disappointment?

NOT the father

July 21st, 2009
9:38 pm

High five, Dubya. I would have given you a third term if I could have. You’re a wonderful man and we would not be in this predicament if you were still around. God Bless you and God help America, we need someone to save us from these left wing Socialists..

Katy

July 21st, 2009
9:39 pm

For those teachers that have jobs be happy that you just have to be furloughed for 3 days and didn’t lose your job like me. The county I worked in still had teachers losing there jobs. It was just the luck of the draw as to if you go cut and I did. If I still had a job I would not be complaining about taking 3 days unpaid. The school I worked at is losing 2 days of preplanning and a teacher workday in December.

A

July 21st, 2009
9:40 pm

Marshal and Nia– you both have no idea what you’re talking about.

Patricia Templeton

July 21st, 2009
9:41 pm

Why doesn’t Perdue follow his fellow idiot Republican Sarah Palin’s lead and just take the rest of his term off? We’d save his salary and the money wasted on his foolish initiatives. His staff could follow, and the legislature. What would we lose? On second thought, our schools are so great that we can afford to furlough teachers. Just make sure the furloughs happen after the CRCTs. My son’s school doesn’t do anything after that anyway.

2nd year

July 21st, 2009
9:44 pm

Evil Old English Teacher… I love you.

Cobb teacher, too

July 21st, 2009
9:47 pm

To Evil Old English Teacher:

I’m with you…if it can’t be done in 8 hours, it doesn’t get done! If we all did that then everyone would realize how much we really do based on what was not being done anymore. Oh, and did I hear someone say, “Let them eat cake!” Just waiting for the heads to roll. Good luck this year…

concerned citizen

July 21st, 2009
9:47 pm

Last time I checked, no one is getting a break on their taxes, Sonny! Teachers contracts are for 190 days. I believe cutting 3 days is a breach of contract.

Miss Nelson (is missing)

July 21st, 2009
9:47 pm

How many of you teachers out there have already worked in your classrooms this summer? Thousands of us across the state, I suspect. Of-course without pay.

jw

July 21st, 2009
9:47 pm

I am a teacher and I understand the reasons for the furloughs. Here is what I don’t understand. Many districts were told after Christmas time to trim budgets – our district was going to lose X amount of dollars. My district had a choice of cutting positions or cutting pay of all levels of staff. We spent many meetings deciding to cut our pay – unanimous support. Top level admins had the most cut and the hourly employees had the least cut – but doing that helped us reach the level of budget cut that Sonny said was going to occur. That said, teachers lost 20 percent of their district supplement – many admins lost 10 to 20 days of pay and hourly workers that had full time positions had to take an extra week of non paid vacation. But, no one lost their job.

Many districts put similar type plans in effect for the upcoming year – many cut slots knowing the funding was not going to be there. My problem, why use this furlough thing as a legislative bargaining tool to prevent an extra session – and why do this in private a couple of weeks before most districts go back to work.

Furloughs are bad – no matter what department – what makes it worse is the fact our elected leaders didn’t have the guts to discuss it in public – and didn’t have the guts to sit down and look at the real ways to make up the shortfall – they just busted every working employee in the State of Georgia – without as much as a blink of the eye! I hope everyone remembers this stuff during the election times and hope that everyone will take every opportunity to ask these folks at every function they attend what other options were considered. I am all for doing my part – but without as much as a discussion, the elected ones took the high road – let’s see which of our legislators gut it up and go public about this.

Oh Well

July 21st, 2009
9:49 pm

We are already at the bottom in education, so three days is not going to make much of a difference. Why not cut the sports program? Ooops, I forgot sports are more important than academics.

confused

July 21st, 2009
9:52 pm

so does this mean our coaches and club sponsors will work 3 less days, which means less games, which means less money for schools. I bet this means more fundraisers for us parents to hawk crap no one wants.

EducatorX3

July 21st, 2009
9:52 pm

Let me say to start with that I am glad I have a job. I realize that many, including my spouse, are losing theirs. BUT…this is the second time Sonny was part of breaking a contract with me! As a National Board Certified Teacher, the state has already failed to uphold its contract for earning this certificate. I have taken a huge hit on my salary. The way I understand it, we are being asked to take three days between now and Dec. 31. That means there could be more to come before the end of the school year.

8th Grader's Papa

July 21st, 2009
9:54 pm

Listen folks – I can’t believe that THREE (3) days without teachers in this school year will dumb down our kids any more than they have been dumbed down already by our government, administrators & teachers. Three days is not going to hurt them —Hell – we are already the 47th worst state & teachers want to tell us that three days is going to hurt these kids!!! Tell that to Obama & his gang of leaches. EVERYONE MUST SACRIFICE. NOT JUST THE RICH. EVERYONE — and that means you too Vernell. If you don’t want to sacrifice & do your part — Vernell has a good idea — MOVE — MOVE NOW.

Oh Well

July 21st, 2009
9:55 pm

What happens to the days that we already have earned?

Don't Knock It Until You've Tried It

July 21st, 2009
9:55 pm

For you teacher-bashers :It’s one thing to try to make your case for teachers having to share the brunt of this economic mess. But until you have “walked a mile in my shoes”, don’t make uninformed,ignorant sounding generalizations about the whole teaching profession. When was the last time you spent more than a few minutes in a public school? Spend a week in our classrooms, and put in the time and effort that most teachers do before you pass yourself off as an expert on the work ethic of thousands of hard-working, caring people.

Dawn

July 21st, 2009
9:55 pm

Perdue and the lying Republicans can all go to <<<$%$%~

browntime

July 21st, 2009
9:56 pm

Every teacher in GA needs to be at the capitol and protest August 1, 2009. This is a shame to mistreat school teachers continuously. Let’s say NO to taking teachers money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

confused

July 21st, 2009
9:57 pm

maybe there are people with secret deals with daycare centers. i am sure they won’t mind the extra money they can get from parents needing someone to watch their kid so they can go to work. I just would like to know where the days will fall. Looking at my county’s calendar for first semester all the teacher work days are half-days which means i would have to leave work early and lose pay or find a daycare and lose pay. boy am i winner.

Haliberton billionare

July 21st, 2009
9:57 pm

Shut up your complaining and be glad you have jobs.

Haliberton billionare

July 21st, 2009
10:00 pm

You tell ‘em, 8th graders Papa. See you at Che’ Louis tomorrow for our usual fillet Mignon dinner? *wink*

Dondee

July 21st, 2009
10:02 pm

I’ll take the furlough and hopefully keep my job….

I don’t blame Sonny and the Republicans….It goes much further than that. It has EVERYTHING to do with the economic recession/depression we are in. Our Imperial Federal Government is not doing the right thing to get this economy going. We are in a turmoil because TARP and Omnibus did not work. We need something else, like reducing taxes so businesses can start hiring, so people can start spending, so money will go back into the coffers of the state of GA…..

If you want to point the finger, point it at the Federal Congress and present administration….

MAD AND ANGRY TEACHER

July 21st, 2009
10:03 pm

We need to strike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

confused

July 21st, 2009
10:05 pm

I am not whining about the teachers, I am whining about myself. Single parent, teachers will be furloughed on half days which means I have to miss work or send them to daycare. Either way it means more money out of my pocket that i don’t already have. oh yeah, then u have the extra time that teachers spend helping the kids that saves money sending them to tutoring services that they won’t want to do anymore b/c they are tired of being bent over for free. oh and lets not start that teachers will less likely want to sponsor clubs or coach sports that our kids like to take part in because once again they are tired of taking it with not many kind reminders.

Dondee

July 21st, 2009
10:05 pm

Educator X3, you are exactly right that we could (and likely will) be asked to give back more days before the end of the school year. I absolutely see the writing on the wall…..

Oman and the Change Gang…..what are you going to do to fix this economy? Or is this part of your plan to drive the country towards socialism.

teacher for hire

July 21st, 2009
10:07 pm

Thanks Sonny! I wonder if your team is currently accepting resumes? I have a BA in journalism & a master’s in education. I’ve watched many of my friends get laid off. It sucks. However, they have several hundred thousand in savings & 401K’s thanks to normal paying jobs & company contributions. They can live, travel, go out to dinner, etc. I have skipped vacations, worked 3 jobs, skipped Publix, avoided driving and have just enough savings for my dogs’ next vaccinations. It’s taken 13 years but I now understand why experienced teachers are bitter. Not to worry, I work at one of the best/highest testing schools in Georgia and I will continue to teach & love your children despite my growing disgust. Just understand that I am working 3 jobs & will no longer be available for after school conferences, phone calls, developing new ideas, coming to your child’s Saturday baseball game or attending after school functions.

GAteacher

July 21st, 2009
10:12 pm

Vernell

July 21st, 2009
5:39 pm
I work at a state agency and I shouldn’t have to take any days off. They should make the rich high paid administrators take days off instead of the employees who do all the real work. Sometimes, I have to work past 5 PM at regular pay and not overtime. This is just another way that rich white power brokers like Sonny Perdue try to keep the minorities and other working class down in this state! I’m getting tired of this and may move back to New Jersey!

Please don’t start making this about RACE! I didn’t read anywhere where our Governor was only making black teachers take a furlough!…Teachers are many colors and it affects all of us…not just black ones! I am so tired of the race card bein dealt! Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fulton Parent

July 21st, 2009
10:13 pm

Most teachers that got laid off were the part time teachers. They didn’t want/need to work full time. They can make that money up doing subbing so I don’t feel a lot of their pain.

That said, I resent ANY cuts to education, be it salary or personnel or whatever.

Tandy

July 21st, 2009
10:14 pm

To “Put Away Your Crooked Speech”, you really show your arrogance and ignorance with the statement: That includes you folk down in the southern part of the state who are a drag economically and culturally on the rest of the state. Only someone who has spent NO time in the southern part of the state would make such a foolish statement. Additionally, your statements are disconnected and do not make a rational argument. Perhaps you should considering attending a college in south Georgia to learn literature and improve your writing skills.

Harry

July 21st, 2009
10:17 pm

Ya right we work 18 hr days correcting papers for kids whose parents think we are babysitters…NO MORE!!!!! SICK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Concerned

July 21st, 2009
10:17 pm

Atleast you are able to work a second job. I have a friend where a second job has to be approved by the department, they say it is a conflict of interest.

Not surprised after test scores?

July 21st, 2009
10:17 pm

When did our Perdue take his furlough and pay cut? Is this what we get instead of the gift card to help our students? Good luck on keeping quality teachers when they can find better pay and less hassle than teaching. And we wonder why our state is one of the lowest on SAT scores. If you don’t educate folks that can’t get jobs and pay taxes. That is not rocket science either. Thanks alot Sonny Perdue!

Loyal State employee

July 21st, 2009
10:18 pm

You know, I love it how you endearing citizens think that State employees should take the bath and have our pay docked. Someone who does what I do, which is Audits, my goal is to look out for your rear ends, looking out for the taxpayers to try to ensure that your beloved State agencies don’t blow your tax dollars. Maybe they should shut us down and fire us all. Let them pi** away your tax dollars. Without us, they’ll all go unchecked. You really want to see a world of hurt, let all the auditors go. I don’t think it’s fair that my pay should be cut anymore than your pay should be cut. So all this BS about State employees being the crooks, you can all go to the extra hot place in He**. You want to furlough someone, cut someone’s pay, start with the do nothing Congress. I’m a die hard Conservative, and I’m appalled with this Governor and appalled with this State Congress.

Sav GA

July 21st, 2009
10:18 pm

I’m a teacher and I didn’t vote for Sonny. Rather than furlough teachers and hiring subs, furlough the entire district from the top down. No one works!!!

Karly

July 21st, 2009
10:19 pm

Im sure theres no waste in State Government!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morley

July 21st, 2009
10:22 pm

We should all take them the SAME DAY!

Cindy

July 21st, 2009
10:26 pm

I understand the downfall of revenue. I hope that the days will be planning or inservice days. I don’ t believe it should be instructional days. Perdue knows that teachers have been working in their classrooms during the summer when students aren’t there. We do this in order to make sure things are ready when they return.
I disagree with many of the comments about how teachers have “whined” about the job. If you ask someone to walk in your shoes for 1 day, 1 week, or longer, many of them will say “I don’t know how you do this everyday.” Much of the public does not understand that teachers do many other things as well as teach on a daily basis inside of a classroom. I am a teacher and I am glad I have a job. I will continue to do my job and enjoy working with my children each day…furlough or no furlough.

Einstein

July 21st, 2009
10:31 pm

How do you miss $900 million budget hole? Whomever has missed this amount of money and has decided to make teachers and medicaid pay for
this loss, did not do well in school. If you cut back on your teachers who are already being pushed to be master teachers and pay for their own teaching supplies and work more than 40 hours a week by grading papers, lesson plans,conferences, and phone calls, attending inservice meetings, tutoring after school for free to help students have a better chance at passing the CRCT, their jobs threatened if students do not pass the CRCT, and they need to make the parents, students, and administrators happy has lost their appreciation for teachers. Teachers teach because they want to help students, not for spectacular pay. Why are you punishing them for the lack of someone else’s ability to manage money? I guess teachers are easier targets and can be easily threatened by not complying with what the Governor deems as a “good” deal. Shame on you for hitting education, medicaid, and the poor. You are hurting our students and teachers. Why not hit the legislative with furloughs and the ones who are unable to add the deficit correctly? This is a poor form of management and it says to me that teachers are unimportant, the poor are unimportant, and the students are unimportant. Governor Perdue you must think you are the only important person in this state. Thank you for being so selfish and sticking the burden on the teachers, medicaid, and safety personnel.

JC

July 21st, 2009
10:31 pm

As a teacher, I have signed contracts for 190 days of work for many years in Georgia. Somewhere near the blanks where they amount to be paid per day/year for the contract was a statement that the amount could be adjusted lower based upon availability of state revenue or funds. If that clause is still on teacher contracts statewide, a furlough would not “break” the contract. It would amount to adjusting the money portion of the contract.

Teacher Burn Out

July 21st, 2009
10:35 pm

They’ve dumbed down schools so much, losing 3 days or 30 days doesn’t matter much. The U.S. education system is a joke, mainly because students don’t care about learning and parents don’t care if they learn or not. Teachers have to make everyone pass with easy tests and feel good about themselves, or their parents will run to the principal and complain about too much work!

oldtimer

July 21st, 2009
10:37 pm

Sonny is not the problem.All states across the US have problems. Everyone, including the higher paying people get days off. Get over your wealth envy. run for offices if you can do better!!

Tim

July 21st, 2009
10:41 pm

My wife is a teacher and she wants to take her days off without pay when the kids are in school. She should get to pick her off days. To hell with Sonny, time to move on old man….

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
10:43 pm

I’ll cut you a deal, Sonny. Give every Georgia teacher one free renewal of credentials. “Free” meaning not having to acquire (and pay for out of our own money) the PLUs required to renew our certificates. I just spent $1700 this summer for 6 PLUs. Yes folks, that’s what teachers do during the summer – we take REQUIRED classes that we pay for out of our own pockets.

ECHO

July 21st, 2009
10:43 pm

For those who keep saying “teachers should just be glad to have their job!”…I say not as glad as the parents (& those who employ them) should be that we show up every day! In case you have your head up your a$$ let me remind you, if there are no teachers, there is NO SCHOOL. Where will those kids go? If teachers were to have a “sick out” there would be some major disruptions in most folk’s daily life. I’m from the midwest (we got unions!) and it wasn’t unusual for teachers to strike. It sure got the attention of EVERYONE. Problems seemed to find solutions much faster when teachers just stayed home. Wish there was a union here.

Andy

July 21st, 2009
10:48 pm

Gov. Purdue can’t take any furlough days, he has to pay for his summer home at Lake Jackson.

2 teacher income home

July 21st, 2009
10:50 pm

If you can’t live without a few hundred dollars next school year and sit at home on some training days then you probably need to call Dave Ramsey and get your financial affairs together. In a state who’s Constitution calls for a balanced budged (<which is a good thing), if the money’s not there it’s just not there, so we call take a few days at home, or many of us lose our jobs. They waited as long as they could. Teachers have been spared longer than anyone else. Suck it up people.

TestyTurtle

July 21st, 2009
10:51 pm

Education makes up approximately 70% of the budget. The state is $900 million in the hole. Just one day of statewide furloughs saves $33 million dollars. Legislators make $17k thousand a year for four months of straight work, plus tons of meetings in the summer and fall. A small per diem is given for daily travel expenses, like $100 bucks. I guarantee you the Legislators are not in for the money. There is very little so called pork in budget. The legislature cut 10% from the budget last year. Georgia is constitutionally, not just required by Republicans, to be a balanced budget state.I challenge everybody complaining about government waste in Georgia to find a program that should be cut at this point and call their legislator with suggestions. Teachers need to suck it up. If they don’t like it, find a job with better pay and benefits in the private sector. I guarantee you won’t find a a private sector job offering a better pension plan or any defined benefit retirement plan these days.

2 teacher income home

July 21st, 2009
10:52 pm

I never expected so much wealth envy from such an educated bunch. He earned a lake house and worked his way up to governor. If you wanted a lake house too you should have chosen a higher paying profession.

Karen

July 21st, 2009
10:56 pm

Shame on you Sonny! Your grandfather would kick your butt right now for doing this to the teachers. He was a dedicated educator and fought for teachers every day he worked in the Houston County Schools. That’s why there is two schools in the county named after him. Why not furlough the senators and representatives and keep the kids and teachers in school? Why not take some days without pay as govenor, since you don’t need the money anyway. You could do without your summer home or your cattle better than the kids of this state can do without their education to save a few dollars.

confused

July 21st, 2009
10:58 pm

i keep researching things brought up here tonight and found something interesting about teacher retirement. while they do have a great pension program, they are required to put several hundreds of dollars into the fund each month. while it is a great program, they are definitely not getting it for free. form what i could find on their site, it seems it is possible they pay more into the fun a month than they would for state income taxes.

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:00 pm

Lucky you, 2 teacher income home – two paychecks. What about the single parent teachers with one paycheck who have already had to make adjustments because of paycuts? There has really been only one perc in teaching – a reliable paycheck. Now that the reliability is gone we might as well take our chances out in the “real” world. The pay will be better and we won’t have to work nearly as hard.

Bob

July 21st, 2009
11:00 pm

Maybe on our forlough days we can all meet at the governors fish pond.

TestyTurtle

July 21st, 2009
11:00 pm

Hey Einstein, it based on expected revenues. Current revenues are lower than have been in years. Legislators have already furloughed themselves more than other state employees. If you are so bright, find another way to balance the budget. While you are it, learn the basic rules of grammar.

lizzie

July 21st, 2009
11:01 pm

Well, reality has hit the Gold Dome. The rest of us have been tightening our belts for 18 months. A few weeks before the start of the next academic year and months after the state could have increased revenue to insure our children would get every day of education they deserve and need (at least according to the test scores)the guv decides to furlough teachers… guess they can go fishing.

Skools Out

July 21st, 2009
11:02 pm

I ain’t suprysed that are skools rink so hi ley in the naishun. The way are edukaters are treated is reflekted in the populashion as a hole. I wood like to think my chillins has a better chance to get ahead than we all dun got. Maybe Sonny just wants to keep the youngins as smart as there folks are so he an his frends can keep on runnin Georgia like it has been for the las hundret years or so.

Meybe Sonny is rite after all.

Educated

July 21st, 2009
11:03 pm

Many of you who are commenting on teacher pay, do not even hold a degree of your own. If you did, you would understand the expenses involved in being educated. I am a teacher in Richmond County, Augusta, the place where you all bring your money to go to the Master’s Tournament. Why don’t you donate some of your entertainment money to the education system. Don’t hate on us because we were smart enough to do something with our lives that involve having summers off. So, that you know, we are not paid for not working. Summer pay is what we should get through the year.
I’m tired of hearing you guys fuss and complain about educators, but if it were not for us, you would not be able to read or write on this board! Some of you are thankful to have jobs and do not care about the three days, but you also have families and other income. PLEASE do not put me in the same category as you. I work hard and should be paid as such.

End all taxes

July 21st, 2009
11:07 pm

W should have a sales tax to support our schools rather than the current property tax system. As long as the economy is humming along with folks working and buying stuff there were will plenty of cash so the children can learn and become prepared for the world.

When the economy is bad, like it is these days, they can learn another life lesson. That one is that they will not be educated and ultimately wont work unless they understand enough spanish to know what their boss is telling them to do.

Skools out

July 21st, 2009
11:09 pm

That edukated feller plainly aint from round here. If he were he’d know what kind of skoolin we really need.

TeacherTeacher

July 21st, 2009
11:09 pm

Sonny, maybe you should have thought about that before handing out the “Sonny Money” – I would gladly pay back that $300 instead of my furlough…

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:11 pm

2 teacher income home – How much was your pay decreased before this furlough plan? Mine has been cut 4.5% and my insurance rates have gone up. No breaks on my mortgage and utility bills, though. There’s only so much “suckin’ it up” that some of us can do.

ccin

July 21st, 2009
11:13 pm

Seems to me like teachers need to make a stand before this gets out of control. Budget cuts, furloughs, hiring freezes, forced retirments…what’s next? Our ace in the hole is a statewide strike of all teachers and maybe now is the right time.

TestyTurtle

July 21st, 2009
11:14 pm

Lizzie, how do you suggest the state raise revenues in this economy? The magic button for more money just doesn’t seem to be working.

HMMMmmmmm.......

July 21st, 2009
11:14 pm

EVERYONE WANTS TO BLAME 8 YEARS OF BUSH. I’m sorry guys! It goes back a little further to Billie Bob CLINTON! That democratic,give-your-$-to-the-lazy, sorry @$$ is where this REALLY started. He was too concerned about where his next BLOW JOB was coming from rather than being concerned about the terroristic threats that were building and finally blew up not long after George W. took office. George W. just happened to be prez when 911 happened and THAT my friends is where the economy took the NOSEDIVE. George ain’t as responsible as you think. HECK, HE HAD ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE A FEW MONTHS BEFORE 911 HAPPENED! THINK ABOUT IT! AND IF YOU THINK MORE, YOU WILL REALIZE THAT 911 IS A LOT OF WHY WE ARE IN THE MESS we are in TODAY. (thank you….stepping down from my 2 cent podium)

Charles

July 21st, 2009
11:15 pm

We all have to pull together to make it through this economic downturn. Ask anyone who survived the depression and they will tell you that they survived because they worked together as a community.

And yes – everyone should take the 3 days off without pay – even the superintendent and officials at county office and at the State level. I can use those 3 days to be with my children – biking, fishing or just being together.

My only concern is that these be days off not just days at work without pay.

Yes, I am a proud educator, who loves to teach.

stacey

July 21st, 2009
11:16 pm

I think it is a bunch of CRAP! Come on Sonny is this really the right thing to do The 3 overworked and underpaid you need to leave alone are the teachers policemen and firefighters. Can you really sleep well knowing you are affecting the students. I barely make 12,000 a year and you mean to tell me that counts as being overpaid? If so you need to wake up go after the 6 figure incomes. That’s where it will help the most. Leave educators alone we are here for the children we use our own money for our classrooms and for the needs of our students we don’t ask for it back we do it because we love the job and you are going to hurt us like that and want us to work for free! Come on Sonny!The school year has not even started and we are already in the hole $900 Million wheres the money going? Let us do our job and that is teach the future of Georgia the children!!!

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:16 pm

You’re right, ccin, but we’ve been such a group of gutless wonders until now I’m not sure we could find enough teachers with the gumption to pull it off.

Frustrated Cobb Teacher

July 21st, 2009
11:18 pm

Let’s see. With the furlough day and 2% pay cut Cobb has already imposed – plus the three days granted by Mr. Perdue, I am now looking at a reduction of approximately one month of take-home pay. It won’t break the bank, but it does mean that I will not be paying for classroom supplies out of pocket this year. Parents, I hope you understand. Administrators, I hope you understand when I leave promptly after 8 hours every day, decline extra projects and scale back my attendance at after hours functions. As much as I love my job and working with the kids, enough is enough. School Board, I hope you understand when I tender my resignation letter mid-year because I’ve decided to pursue other opportunities – especially if you don’t dip into the reserve fund to cover the shortfall. That 10 million or so will buy the district a lot of goodwill – something you’re going to need once the economy does recover and people leave in droves.

TestyTurtle

July 21st, 2009
11:21 pm

The current teacher’s retirement program cannot change the amount current teachers pay in and get out because of ERISA, which is federal law.
For all you people who favor teacher strikes, how would you like to balance the budget? Maybe every state prisoner should be forced to sell a kidney?

Dr.R

July 21st, 2009
11:23 pm

Administrators, legislators and other management level state employees are facing the same cuts and furloughs. Why are teachers special? Yes, they have an important job. So do others. And I just saw on the news someone lamenting that “the children will be hurt.” Well, it’s a recession. Children live here; they’re part of society like the rest of us. Children of the Depression weren’t immune to the problems then, so why should they be now? Suck it up. They’ll learn more self-reliance and resourcefulness if everyone would quit treating them like fragile gems of blown glass and let them be part of the world they live in. The economy sucks, people are losing their jobs, everyone is making adjustments. Let the little ones do their part by doubling up in a classroom now and then. We did it as kids and we survived.

Phillip

July 21st, 2009
11:24 pm

Vernell….does everything have to revolve around race????? I agree that the higher paid administrators should take unpaid days off as well. But if you don’t like it here in Georgia, please feel free to move back to Jersey.

well now

July 21st, 2009
11:26 pm

I know what our administrators are going to expect. They will expect us in on those pre plan days that they will furlough anyway. And if you don’t come, you will get a little black mark by your name. I’m going to have a very hard time with that one. If you ain’t gonna pay me, I aint gonna be there. I spend enough extra time and personal money AFTER HOURS ALREADY without them telling me they’re not going to pay me but come anyway. Intelligent people know that teachers have to go above and beyond the school work day to be a successful teacher anyway. I see this as a slap in my face. Let all the double dippers go (retired personel who come back part time making 40-50,000 dollars a year PLUS their retirement money. MY PARKING SPACE WILL GET A SUNTAN ON THAT DAY FOLKS!!!!!! : )

Steve

July 21st, 2009
11:26 pm

There are so many in education that are superfluous. If they cut back to positions 10 or 15 years ago then many problems would be solved. What do all the academic coaches, lead teachers, assistant superintendents, graduation coaches, parapros, tech coaches, RESA etc. really do? Have they improved education? On a whim look at a school’s website and see how many actually teach. I looked at my counties and see that there are 44 classroom teachers in one middle school. Within this school there are 112 people that work at the school and this does not include lunchroom or janitorial staff. What do the other 68 people really do? When my son attended this same school 12 years ago there were 48 classroom teachers and 71 staff (school yearbook). Same school has not met AYP for the second year. One academic coach was a home ec teacher. Two RESA employees were removed from the classroom (I know them and they “ain’t to swuft.” The lead teacher was a former math teacher that was removed because of low CRCT scores (my opinion). None of this includes the football coaches or wives that have to have a job. It would appear to this poor uneducated farmer that there are a lot of people that are paid to do nothing (or very little). It appears that there have been many positions that were created for some reason. I would guess to justify someone’s job or political standing (grad coaches). Eliminate one coach at a school and the students will have their teachers for the year. Cut RESAs and save a fortune. Since this makes sense to me then it would NEVER make sense in Atlanta or to stupidintendents. If a person cannot teach why are they getting paid to do everything but teach? Do we really need to pay all that money to take attendance or make sure forms are turned in? No wonder education is in the toilet. What a waste of money.

GA Teacher

July 21st, 2009
11:26 pm

I am a teacher and do not have a problem with the furlough days. I hope the furlough days are given during the school year (teacher work days) rather than the pre-planning days. I will teach at a new school and the pre-planning days are needed for procedures and other plans. I have worked at the school already and will continue to do so. Times are tough for everyone so I am thankful I have a job and will continue to teach. GAE did tell us not to go to school on furlough days before school to get the room ready. I understand why we were told this but who does this hurt? The children- I will not hurt the children. It is time for teachers and parents to work together. Stop blaming each other for children not learning.
Those asking for unions need to look at how it has helped the american auto industry. Unions are not what we need. We need to get rid of the vast central office higher ups and put them back in the classrooms to reduce the class size and help out children. Think of the money this will save. Most teachers know what the kids need and are unable to teach due to the adminstration. Central offices are putting the blame on NCLB- not the blame. Money has been wasted and blamed where blame was not due.
Thank goodness I do not teach in Cobb where the board gave the super a $25,0000.00 dollar pay raise a month before cutting all pay across the board by 2%, giving 1 furlough day, and reducing the step pay. Also, several elementary schools now have additional Assistant Administrators. I can honeslty say these are not needed. Some schools have never had them and now a third administrator- this is truly not needed. Let me cut out the needless spending!

Dr.R

July 21st, 2009
11:29 pm

Cobb teacher, and others, do you not understand that many have lost their jobs completely? Those who work for the private sector don’t have your job security. So you lose some pay and a few days. I agree, it’s tough. But others are losing their jobs completely. Sure, I understand if you can’t provide school supplies, which parents should be doing anyway (but let my kid keep his stuff instead of putting it in that socialist communal ‘pile’). If you can’t afford to teach, fine, get another job. Nobody’s holding a gun to your head either way. Again, you seem to feel you’re more entitled than folks who fill other jobs. I’m sorry, you’re not. What you do is important and we thank you for it, but not so important that you can avoid any degree of sacrifice in a weak economy. Everybody wants someone else to take a hit to make budget, but lordy, lordy, but don’t cut our department. What’s the state supposed to do, print money? Times are tough. Get tough yourself and deal with them and quit your incessant whining.

AMEN SISTER

July 21st, 2009
11:32 pm

That’s right on Ga. teacher…..an elementary school does not need an assistant principal, especially in rural areas where the schools are smaller. and there are a bunch of those!!!!!!

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:32 pm

TestyTurtle, you don’t get it. Many of us willingly took major pay cuts to save jobs. We were under the assumption that our pay cuts were done to balance the budget and we signed our contracts. Now, a week before school begins in some counties, we find out the budget is NOT balanced and the state wants more from us. They are telling us that our contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. How many teachers do you think are going to stay in teaching when the economy improves? I took a $35,000 pay cut when I left the private sector because I saw how badly Georgia needed good science teachers. If Sonny breaks our contracts on his end, I won’t feel at all guilty about taking my old job back. Yes, I’m lucky, my old employer wants me back.

Jack

July 21st, 2009
11:38 pm

I’m a teacher and I’ll take my medicine if it helps assure my job, matter of fact I probably will go fishing! All this economic hardship can be traced directly to the failed Republican control of both the state and federal governments over the last eight years. This is what “faith-based” willful ignorance and greed does for those of us on the low end of trickle-down economics. They got the gold mine and we get the shaft.

Anna

July 21st, 2009
11:39 pm

Wouldn’t be so bad but I know that Perdue just hired several people for his personal staff. He isn’t cutting anything back that effects him. It’s ridiculous.

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:40 pm

Dr R., have you taken a pay cut to save jobs? I already have as have many other teachers in this state. We’re saying that we’ve had our turn – give someone else a chance to take one for the team! We’re played out.

cgregister

July 21st, 2009
11:43 pm

Marshall, Come work in a school for one week and then see what you have to say. I do agree that teachers could be more communicative, but when parents jump down your throat “because Johnny is always right”, what do you expect.
Lance, you are too right about the “double dipping”.
DOE needs to do what Fulton Co and Gwinnett Co police are doing and take away the “double dipping”. If they wanted to be paid they should have stayed on the job. I work in Dekalb Co and the one thing I can say that Johnny Brown did for it was to cut the “fat”. Lewis has brought it all back plus more. Dekalb is so top heavy it isn’t even funny. They have created two positions directly under the superintendent that were never there before. With the money problems we are all having, why was this done?

Dr.R

July 21st, 2009
11:44 pm

Understood, Abacus. No, I just had to forgo my annual raise so far. My business is scuffling, too, and when that day comes, I’ll take it. I didn’t say anyone had to like it or welcome it. I’m just saying that no one is immune. Well, unless you own a bar, video store or car repair shop. They’re all doing pretty well. As for who’s to blame politically for our economy, that’s a harder thing to pin down. Some say the GOP because they were in charge; others say the housing bubble came from the Clinton years with the insistence that banks give home loans to people who couldn’t pay them. At this point, it doesn’t matter how we got here, it’s more about what we’re going to do now.

TestyTurtle

July 21st, 2009
11:46 pm

It was the decision of individual systems to how to cut pay to balance their budgets. The county budgets were suppose to be balanced on deeply reduced revenue estimates. Education funding from the state was cut around 3%. Most counties had to make further cuts because of declining county property and sales tax revenues. How do think the state budget should be balanced? You really aren’t a victim. Life is about choices.

GA Teacher

July 21st, 2009
11:47 pm

Amen Sister wrote-, “That’s right on Ga. teacher…..an elementary school does not need an assistant principal….” These elementary schools already had assistant prinsipals. The school system added a third adminstrator to the elementary schools called an “assistant administrator.” This is a step below an assistant principal. Just wanted to clarify.

Cristy

July 21st, 2009
11:47 pm

Albert…..What county do you work for?

Dr.R

July 21st, 2009
11:51 pm

As I read about how teachers will cut back on extracurricular duties and the like, I see in this an opportunity. For too long, our schools have become social clubs instead of places of learning, with too much emphasis on non-scholastic pursuits. That’s all fine and good, but in an economic crisis, those activities should be sacrificed. Maybe if teachers, students and schools went back to the basics of learning instead of the superfluous nonsense, kids would focus on their studies and we’d see more achievement. I have no problem with teachers calling it a day after eight hours, provided they put their full effort into that eight like the rest of us. If you’re not going to do that, then do everyone a favor and find a new profession. In the private sector, those who work hardest and perform best are going to survive the purges when the job cuts come. It should be the same in the public sector as well. Unfortunately, too many people now think the world owes them a paycheck and that they own their own job. Nobody owns their job; the person who signs the check owns it.

By the way, my wife’s a teacher and she doesn’t totally agree with me on any of this, so I suppose I’m a voice in the wilderness. If all schools were run by private companies instead of the state, they’d be more efficient, teachers would be more qualified and paid better and the students would learn more. But we’re not ever putting the genie back into that bottle, so it’s not worth discussing.

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:52 pm

TestyTurtle, how much is your pay cut?

Oh Great Fan

July 21st, 2009
11:53 pm

Tell it like it is Oh Great! Doesn’t it get under your skin when uninformed people like boo hoo think their tax dollars are paying for teachers to have “time off”! Get your facts straight boo hoo before you make ignorant comments… And Marshal obviously you had a bad school experience, but guess what that is not every teacher in Georgia’s fault! We are certainly far from overpaid – and you could care less about education anyway if you think class size needs to be increased. How is that going to be in the best interest of students? You probably wouldn’t last 2 days in a class of 20! Why don’t you volunteer to be on your local BOE – know they’d be proud to have a winner like you!

ugaprof

July 21st, 2009
11:54 pm

The UGA 2009-10 contract that we just signed already allows up to 10 furlough days. But I have questions:
(1) Does shortening the school year affect our accreditation? UGA does not have “pre-planning days.”
(2) Do we actually get to stay home on the furlough days? Will the University close?
(3) An academic year is barely enough to count as 1 year toward retirement. What about an academic year minus some furlough days? Are these furloughs going to put all of us a year farther from retirement? OUCH!

AJC reporters, please probe these things.

A Teacher 2

July 21st, 2009
11:54 pm

Furlough days would most certainly be teacher duty/inservice days. Students would not be told to stay home as that would effect federal funding. Regarding school contracts-we signed ours in April but the contracts have not been returned to us. The contract is not valid, I believe, until approved by the board and signed by the superintendent.

TRASH

July 21st, 2009
11:55 pm

Abacus 2,

That is a great idea!!! I will pass it on!!!

abacus2

July 21st, 2009
11:58 pm

Dr. R., with respect, private companies can pick and choose their raw materials. As someone has already stated, some of the raw materials that come through my classroom door are pretty raw, and I don’t get to send them to the reject pile. I work my behind off, and many unpaid hours, getting the raw material to function.

Proud Educator

July 22nd, 2009
12:05 am

Let me begin by saying that I am quite proud of the profession that I chose to persue and would never give up teaching. With that said, some of the comments about this story are very disturbing to me. I, like many of the other teachers that have posted comments, work many more hours than are listed in my contract (grading papers, planning, club sponsor, etc.) and spend my own money and time in training classes during the summer–I think it’s obvious that I don’t do it for the money or the glory, I do it because I care. There is nothing sadder to me than a child that is struggling in school and I strive everyday to help every child I teach reach their highest potential. However, reading these comments have made me realize where children get their ideas about school and education. These kids hear their parents make comments about teachers and then they carry that same attitude to school each day. Have you stopped to think that without teachers you would have nowhere to drop your kids off on your way to work…that’s right, if it weren’t for the teachers that get to work early every morning (before most people are even awake) you would be in quite a jam. And for Dr. R–do you really think that all of the parents of our students can (and will) provide supplies? And with people like you that don’t won’t to provide supplies for the “pile”, well, that leaves us teachers to pick up the tab. Why do we do it? Because we care.
Words can’t begin to express how mad I am about the upcoming teacher furloughs; or my disappointment with Governor Perdue. But I am the angriest about people that don’t have a clue what is like working with 110 children everyday and all that goes along with doing a good job as a teacher trying to post comments as if they know what we do. Until you walk the hallways in the shoes of a teacher don’t tell us we should be ok with losing three days’ pay.

Gwinnett Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:09 am

Proud Educator – Well said!!

Dr.R

July 22nd, 2009
12:10 am

Respectfully, it’s a tough job. I wouldn’t want to do it (I tried it once and it didn’t suit me; well, I sucked at it, actually). And I’ll never say teachers are overpaid. In fact, no one is overpaid; if you’re worth a certain amount to your employer, that’s what you’ll make.

When you get students who won’t perform despite your best efforts, it’s not your fault. Parents who don’t stress learning can’t expect miracles from teachers. Best to move on and teach the students who respond. HYet again, if schools were run privately, students could be grouped with those of similar skills and abilities instead of the egalitarian approach that only frustrates those on both ends of the spectrum. Don’t you think it’d be better if everyone could learn at their own pace instead of following some proscribed curriculum timeline devised by bureaucrats? The problem with public schools is that they are one size fits all and try to jam every square peg into a round hole.

Frustrated Cobb Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:16 am

Dr. R – I work with many Cobb teachers who are now the sole breadwinner in their families due to spousal layoffs. My own family has experienced rounds of layoffs in the past 12 months. Thankfully, we had emergency savings set aside just in case. So, yes the pain of the current economy is very real to me. I am not any more entitled than the next person. What sacrifices have you, Dr. R, had to make in this down economy? I’ve made “sacrifices” for the past 8 years since leaving the private sector for education. I did so willingly and with my eyes wide open. It was an opportunity to give back and enjoy a better life/work balance. People like me who get things done and think outside the box to solve problems are “rewarded” with salary cuts and have even more responsibilities added to our already overflowing plates. I don’t mind doing my part to help other teachers keep their jobs and am happy to do so. However, boundaries have to be established or this job will suck the life right out of you. But if Cobb can afford to add six-figure administrative positions that weren’t there a year ago, it has no business asking employees to eat further salary reductions – in my opinion.

abacus2

July 22nd, 2009
12:17 am

Thank you, Proud Educator. You’ve said it all and now I can go to bed.

d

July 22nd, 2009
12:21 am

The provision of an adequate public education for
the citizens shall be a primary obligation of the State of Georgia.

Apparently the state Constitution doesn’t matter to this governor.

Dr.R

July 22nd, 2009
12:22 am

And as an addendum to Proud, if your parents don’t provide supplies for their kid, then you shouldn’t be obligated to care more than the child’s biological caretaker. The kids who don’t have pencils can borrow one or mom can give up a pack of smokes a week and take care of it. It’s noble that you’re willing to help, but I would contend that you merely indoctrinate the child into thinking someone is going to take care of his or her needs (someone from The Government, no less), and that mindset takes hold at a young age. Bandage that bleeding heart of yours and let the kids do without. If the parents won’t foot the bill, you shouldn’t. When those who expect things to be given them eventually realize the gravy train has ended, we’ll be well on our way to a better school (and societal) system. Yes, it’s the harsh ravings of an unrepetant Libertarian, but I don’t think we can keep making the same mistakes and expect a different outcome. You teachers are wonderful, big-hearted people who have sold into a system that doesn’t work. Blow it up and start over with schools that reward your amazing skills and patience instead of put everyone on a treadmill, with my tax dollars constantly fed into it.

With that, I, too, shall retire for the evening. I meant no disrepect, but hope to have sparked some thought. If not, it was still time well passed.

Jeff

July 22nd, 2009
12:27 am

Solution for all, especially learners: Year Round Schooling.

Jeff

July 22nd, 2009
12:27 am

Get off my teats Gov’t babies!

Gwinnett Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:28 am

Dr. R –

The problem with your thought of not providing that child the necessary tools to be successful is that I AM HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the failure of that child – not the parent.

WELL NOW

July 22nd, 2009
12:30 am

TO DR. J: you can’t “call it a day after 8 hours” if you are truly teaching all day long. THERE IS NO WAY! You have papers to grade, you have mandatory meetings after school to attend, you have PTA meetings at night you must attend. Thought you said your wife was a teacher? You should know all of this….as for superfluous nonsense. (I guess a teacher taught you that big word? ) The superfluous nonsense reaches more children than you can imagine. And once they are “reached” they become inspired. And once they become inspired they learn.THere again, you would be trying to poke everyone into that round hole if you only stuck to the “basics” and not that other “nonsense.”
I know.
Because I was one of those kids.
And I am a grade A #1 teacher today because of it.

WELL NOW

July 22nd, 2009
12:35 am

LOL,

Time for me to go to bed too, “DR. J” !

I meant Dr. R

: )

WELL NOW

July 22nd, 2009
12:44 am

Whoops…time for me to go to bed….I’m calling Dr. J Dr. R…past my bedtime folks! : )

sunsetblues2

July 22nd, 2009
12:45 am

Nia…get a life. Most teachers have twice the amount of education as you do!

I’m also glad that I’m so overpaid. All that extra money helps me purchase class supplies, snacks, and lunches for my students.
I’ll continue to be a dedicated and committed teacher. Teaching is calling. I have decided to leave my classroom each day by 5:00 p.m. No need to reduce my wages to $ 4.30 per hour. LOL……..

All of your angrier should be directed to W……he destroyed this country. Liar…liar…pants on fire!

Make your kids behave so we can teach them

July 22nd, 2009
12:53 am

Bad timing, Sonny – and by the way, a furlough could effect the retirement of many teachers who have taught 28 plus years. Think about it – a furlough could last a lifetime for many.

Want a cheap way to keep teachers? Let us draw our retirement while we continue to teach fulltime – its already paid for through employee and state contributions and has nothing to do with the State budget. Its already our money, let us use when WE need it.

the REAL solution

July 22nd, 2009
12:57 am

Sales tax folks. This will get all the illegal immigrants taking our jobs to pull their weight. They dont own property for the most part and therefore don’t pay property taxes. But they along with EVERYONE ELSE will be pulling their fare share. To me, it’s not fair to punish ME because I worked hard, saved money and PAYED MY TAXES by making my property tax go up while the freeloaders get off scott free….think about it! yes we would pay more for stuff BUT we would have more to spend! Furloughing teachers will yet DEAPEN the pitt we are in. Less money for teachers means less money out and about spending.

spent

July 22nd, 2009
12:57 am

If GAE does not get active on this issue, I will not be a member this year. I have not found them to do squat for the $500 I pay annually.

TJ

July 22nd, 2009
1:07 am

What a moron!! He won’t cut wasteful spending, but he will cut people’s salary in a down economy. Ask Roy Barnes how well things go when you double cross the teacher’s unions!!

Lost in a Grayed out World

July 22nd, 2009
1:19 am

To everyone saying “Shut up and be thankful you have jobs” let me ask you. To how many different aspects of your life do you apply this theory. To your family, who cares if your husband beats you each night, shut up and be thankful you have a husband. Who cares of the bread you wish to make a sandwhich with has the ingredients for penicillan, shut up and be thankful you have the bread. Who cares if the teacher you refuse to pay refuses to teach your children, shut up and be thankful you had a teacher.

I am the product of a public school. Throughout my life I have had my share of morally corrupt teachers, teachers that had zero common sense and just as much book sense, and then teachers that were the masters of all they controlled. I have had the same in restaurants, doctor’s offices, and attorneys. Teachers have a hand in every career that is made and yet we make the least. Sure there are people that have been forced to take days off, but how many of you take your job home with you. How many of you are in charge of, not merely educating someone else, but their mental and physical well being? How many of you work until one/two o’clock every night planning, preparing, and reflecting on the work you are doing or are goign to do each week? There are those that do these things, but how many of you have a salary reflecting the same pay level as a teacher?

Every year I spend money I don’t have to purchase supplies for my classroom. My husband has been unemployed for over a year and I have been left to provide for my family, which includes my three children. I still work my butt off for the money they give me and yes I am happy that I have a job, however would you be happy to have a meal if someone just pulled down their pants and took a crap in your plate? Would you eat it anyway?

You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip!

July 22nd, 2009
1:28 am

I was attracted to moving to Georgia because of its long history of treating its teachers well. However, I can see that this is not going to hold true much longer! I thought making us suffering by turning of the ac in the summer in various parts of the school was cruel and unusual, but this is ridiculous! Teachers are a HUGE part in keeping Georgia’s economy afloat. Sonny, next time your in Wal-Mart stop and ask who’s doing the shopping for school supplies. Oh, wait you probably don’t shop at Wal-Mart and if you did, you’d show up in your limo with your entourage of morons! Nevertheless, a large majority of those people standing in long lines to buy school supplies is comprised of your educators. And guess what?! They are probably paying for a good chunk of their school supplies for the students they teach out of their pocket. Yes the same pocket you want to dip into! This is ludicrous and a slap in the face to educators in Georgia, and more importantly, it’s a slap in the face to the young men and women who sit in classrooms across the state. They will be the ones who suffer the most…

You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip!

July 22nd, 2009
1:32 am

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ATLDowntown

July 22nd, 2009
1:39 am

TJ: “Ask Roy Barnes how well things go when you double cross the teacher’s unions!!”

TJ…Perdue is in his second, and constitutionally limited, term as Governor of Georgia. He can’t run again and won’t be seeking another office. So, effectively, the votes of teachers, or any other group, will never trouble him again. That’s part of the fun of your second term. You get to make the decisions without fear of what the people think…even those who rant on the AJC’s comment space while spelling your name incorrectly. Come on people, have enough self respect to at least learn to spell the name of your own governor correctly, whether you like him or not. Its Perdue, not Purdue. Think “chicken” not “midwestern University.”

Glenn

July 22nd, 2009
1:41 am

The Dept. of Juv. Justice has required 1 day per mth furloughs for LOWER managers since Jan. but I am happy to still have a job. However, I have over 20 years with the state and I still make less than 40K a year and have a master’s degree!

Brian

July 22nd, 2009
1:51 am

Sonny, can we please just fire a bunch of teachers and state employees so people will stop complaining about 3 furlough days. That’s obviously what they want.

People in this country act as if a job is a right. Think again. It’s a privilege. Go work in the private sector in this economy, and you’ll find how pretty quickly how true that is.

Idealistic democrats will try to tell me that the beauty of democrat principles lies in the belief of the good of society over the good of the individual. If that were actually true, I would think liberals would embrace furloughs that save jobs. To the contrary, I’m finding out that being a liberal is about feeling a sense of self-entitlement.

AKAEDUCATOR

July 22nd, 2009
1:57 am

Boohoo obviously doesnt have children. When you support cutbacks in education, you support your child having much less of a quality education. Yet, all you guys complain about (especially Northernors) is the low quality of education in Georgia. However, you totally agree with increasing class size, cutting teachers pay, and furloughs when you dont even want to spend an entire day with your kids. Thats why summer camps and babysitters make so much money! lol

Mom in Georgia

July 22nd, 2009
2:00 am

As a state employee, I understand the need for furloughs but they need to be more intelligently used:
1. By imposing them on federally funded state positions as well as state-funded positions, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are losing millions of federal dollars intended to be spent on services to Georgia residents. Since most federall funded grants and cooperative agreements are mostly for professional positions, it’s impossible to redirect all the salary not spent because of the furloughs. That funding is lost to the state and goes back to the U.S. Treasury. And then the following year’s funding is cut because we didn’t spend the current year’s. Few federal funders allow carryover of funding from one year to the next anymore.
2. Agree that the Governor, Legislators, and everyone else on state funds should be equally affected by furloughs so they can understand the true pain.
3. Cutting the already rock-bottom salaries of government workers is creating more need for government services, a vicious cycle. The middle class, one of the most important stablizing forces in most Western societies, is disappearing.
4. Between absurdly low salaries and furloughs, it is hard to attract any real talent to state government work. Because of the economy, there’s loads of applicants, but not much talent. Do you really want incompetent or unmotivated folks in charge of your safety, health, roads, and regulations?

Not a teacher, but have children in public school. Please triple the number of furlough days for educators earning over $100,000 per year (top administrators) and cut by 1/3 the number of furlough days for those earning under $50,000. Our children need those front-line classroom teachers and paraprofessionals every minute of every school day. We need top administrators too but not every minute of every day.

Mom in Georgia

July 22nd, 2009
2:08 am

P.S.:

Forgot to mention
5. Everyone could stomach furlough days a bit better if the work load was adjusted to accomodate them. But most of us government workers have unchangeable deadlines and increasing work loads because of vacancies due to turnover and budget cuts. We are secretly ignoring the dictum not to work on furlough days and working from home because we are professionals and unwilling to let important projects fail. It’s a failure at the top to adjust priorities and work flow to accomodate furloughs. They pass the responsibility and blame downward instead. It’s just a matter of time until we have some big disasters thanks to poorly managed furloughs.

eliza davis halliday

July 22nd, 2009
2:58 am

As a former educator now working in the private sector, I am amazed at how little we value educators and education. I had no idea of the “perks” you get in business. Better health benefits, flexible working conditions, great vacation and I am not blamed for what the state and parents refuse to provide. My sister is a career educator with advanced degrees from “real universities.” I have spent less time at my company ,and I make thee times the amount that she makes. How do we expect to attract bright individuals to education? I have tired to lure her away from teaching, but she loves her job. She works with special needs children. Before our company makes a big presentation, we plan for it. The planning is critical in making certain that we are prepared to do our best. I cannot believe that the governor feels that educators do not need planning days to prepare for one of the most critical jobs in the world, educating our children. There are some states that have gone to four day school weeks, to save on transportation and energy cost. The students and staff work longer days. Why was this plan not considered in Georgia? Has the governor looked at the “pet” projects that are funded by the state? The Georgia Department of Education is loaded with directors, deputy superintendents, consultants and managers. Consider cutting some of those people, who only issue mandates to the schools, but that do not have any clue how to fix them. To decide right before the beginning of school that educators should take time off demonstrates no understanding of what is needed to prepare for school. Why not cut the staff at the governor’s mansion? Get rid of some of the state issued cars? We will never be able to attract major industry to Georgia until we are serious about improving our schools. The message that these furloughs send speaks very loudly about the value we place on education. Some of these people making comments about educators need to teach. They have no idea of the demands that are placed on educators. As parents, my husband and I support the schools. They cannot raise our children. We raise our children. What a great way to set the tone for the beginning of a new school year?

CJG

July 22nd, 2009
3:32 am

How about just laying off some teachers? That would save the masses their 3 days at the expense of just a few. Give me a break. Most of these worker’s facebook and myspaces pages would be full of “the summer was way too short”, “wish we had just a few more days off” entries anyways. Stop your complaining and be happy you have a job to go to for the other 362 days of the year. Its a big s*^t sandwich, and everyones going to have to take a bite.
Also, to any morons who are crying for a union – they got all those autoworkers great benefits and $25/hour for meanial labor and was great,…..until it finally caught up with them. Now look at them. Quit the whining and enjoy an extra few days with the family.

Matt

July 22nd, 2009
4:55 am

As a private sector exec turned teacher, I must say that teaching is the hardest yet most rewarding job I ever had. It’s like being an performer with no downtime eight hours a day with practice for two hours before the performance and two hours after, plus documentation and grading on top of that. Teachers who only work an eight hour day aren’t doing their job. It’s at least a 12 hour day if you’re any good.
Some of us are already at the breaking point in terms of salary. Having been downsized after 21 years with the same company, I’m in that predicament. My salary as a teacher is 70% less than what I made before. Three days might not sound like a lot to many, but where is that money going to come from to pay the bills? Will teachers need to take on part time jobs too?
Unfortunately, things are going to get much worse. Interest rates can’t stay at next to nothing. As soon as interest rates start to rise more people will suffer economic burdens, more businesses will cut jobs and tax revenues will go down further. If life was a video game, many of us would be hitting the reset button about now.
In these troubled times our state needs to be focused on Health Care and Education. Those two sectors must attract the best of the best in terms of employees. Our children deserve the best teachers and we deserve the best in health care – we’re paying for it! America spends more on healthcare than any other nation is ranked third in spending on education. There’s obviously a flaw in both systems. Teachers should be getting raises instead of furloughs. Georgia is ranked 26th in spending per student. Maybe if we paid teachers more and kept the good teachers around more we’d have smarter people running the government. Someone’s getting rich and it isn’t the teachers. What a shame.

candide

July 22nd, 2009
5:08 am

Those teachers do such a good job of teaching Georgia kids that I think their pay could be cut in half!

Core Values

July 22nd, 2009
6:16 am

Lead by example GOVERNOR this should not be on the backs of our EDUCATORS. Why is it they always look to cut EDUCATION first. They should make EDUCATION our FIRST PRIORITY!

dmac

July 22nd, 2009
6:55 am

Perdue giveth and he taketh away.

Has it ever crossed Perdue’s mind that maybe he could raise the taxes of the wealthiest 5% of Gerorgians to cover this shortfall?

T J

July 22nd, 2009
6:57 am

Teachers, professors, administrators, elected officials, any individual who works for the state SHOULD take the furlough days. My husband has done it now for the last 4 months. Yes it is a burden to loose any income, however we are doing our part.

T J

July 22nd, 2009
7:17 am

Added after a bit more thought. Gov. Perdue has falsely held educators on such a high pedestal for years. They have been allowed to spend money in many cases that could have been better utilized elsewhere. The top of the list is probably the numerous seminars and trips taken by educators to fancy expensive resorts is just unacceptable. Little if any of this wasted money has done anything to improve schools.

Stacey Johnson

July 22nd, 2009
7:27 am

I think it is time that a lawsuit is brought against Perdue. I think he should be impeached. He has done a poor job and its our children who are paying. It is time for Perdue to go.

Johnny

July 22nd, 2009
7:29 am

The political career of Sonny Perdue can’t end soon enough. Then he can back his boat down a boat ramp and fish himself into oblivion where he belongs.

howard

July 22nd, 2009
7:35 am

Sonny has got to be the worst “education governor” in modern Georgia history….No edcuator should vote for another Republican Governor as long as they have a memory of Perdue’s “Go FISH Georgia” policy initiative (sic) and his “Go to Hell Teachers” policy approach.

browntime

July 22nd, 2009
7:38 am

OK, the budget needs the money….because we have given the money away to attract COMPANY’s to Georgia……the KIA Plant…450 million dollar tax incentives…..NCR… many many millions for tax breaks…..that’s why budget is without money…other companys too……………

Nana

July 22nd, 2009
7:42 am

Our school system has already cut our heath insurance and dental insurance benefits and all of our supplements. With my husband and I both being teachers it already cost us about 500 dollars a month. What is this going to do to our salaries?

A teacher #01

July 22nd, 2009
7:45 am

Furloughs are a tough decision especially when it comes to education. I am a teacher and he is my theory on furloughs. If they have to happen, here is a simple solution to answer the question on what will the teachers do on the furlough days. Don’t furlough teacher’s work days during the school year, wait until post planning. Make the teacher’s last day the same day as the student’s last day. That way all of the report cards are done and teachers don’t have to plan for any instructional days. I know 1 school system in GA who has been taking Fridays off with pay just to save electricity.

Dondee

July 22nd, 2009
7:54 am

This whole mess is directly tied to the economy. When did the economy really begin to tank? Last August/September. Why?

At first, the enormous cost of gasoline (blame politicians, especially those with “green” ties for not permitting drilling here in our country, as well as dragging feet to come up with a plan that will make us energy independent.)

2nd….Collapse of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac…..directly tied to politicians who insisted everyone own a home and businesses willing to make money by approving loans for folks who had NO BUSINESS getting them! John McCain tried to sound the warning that Frannie and Freddie were not being run in a solvent way and was shot down by Barney Frank, among others.

3rd Collapse of Wall Street in direct relation to Fannie, Freddie and other lending/banking meltdowns.

4-Beginning of job lay offs…..If you don’t make money, you are not going to spend money

5-Election of BHO…..You know, folks were not sure what direction this man was about to take the country in. The economy continued to decline. If he was the answer, why didn’t Wall Street soar in answer to his election?

TARP, Omnibus…..Did these “stimulus” plans work? Absolutely not! No trickle down benefits have been felt. In fact, you see it getting worse. A better solution? Coming up with a way to give businesses an incentive to build and hire.

We will not drag ourselves out of this mess until the Federal Imperial Government backs off and lets the country operate as framed. They are trying to turn us socialist and give us all the “benefits” of that kind of society.

No thank you.

Dondee

July 22nd, 2009
7:56 am

Browntime….You have to offer tax incentives to companies so they will come to your state. How many jobs will Kia and NCR bring to this state? Come on! Use your brain!

Mark

July 22nd, 2009
8:04 am

I am really astonished at all the people speaking out against teachers on here…you do realize that you wouldn’t have the ability to write and post your opinion if it wasn’t for teachers right?…Teachers never get to “clock out” from their jobs, it is an around-the-clock occupation; especially in an era when many parents do not even care enough to provide the same high standard of care toward their own children that teachers do in their classrooms. Are you seriously ignorant enough to think that this is okay? Soldiers, teachers, and service employees never get the respect that they deserve and it’s simply pathetic that the only people we ever hear advocating salary cuts in these areas are people who have, or will have, benefited from their service…

Rose

July 22nd, 2009
8:04 am

Local School Boards could do a better job managing public resources. They yeild to public demand without considering all the data and make decisions that are very expensive. An example is the building program decisions made by local boards. Many are building extravagant buildings that are not cost effecient. This will continue until the state takes a position to limit state participation in school building programs that are not based on cost effectiveness. Systems would be better able to endure this crisis if the local boards had planned better in all areas. If the outcry is great enough, local boards will pass the cost on to the property owner as a tax increase, same thing they have done for years.

T-Bone

July 22nd, 2009
8:06 am

Hey Marshall, maybe you should have paid more attention to such trivial matters like spelling while you attended those overcrowded classrooms. Isn’t the word overpaid one word?

LaNelle Holland

July 22nd, 2009
8:10 am

How much of a paycut is Sonny taking?

THANK YOU!!!!

July 22nd, 2009
8:13 am

I agree with Surprise. When is Governor Perdue going to “furlough” himself as a State employee.

Corey

July 22nd, 2009
8:14 am

Shop until you drop, folks; generate some sales tax revenues. Put it all on your platinum Bank of America Visa card and tell them to go scr.. themselves.

Atlanta native

July 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

Why not include the school superintendants in this furlough instead of just the teachers? The Cobb Co. teachers already took a 4% paycut but the Cobb Superintendant got a bonus. When asked if he would return it, he avoided the question. There are plenty of other things that could be cut, we need to provide quality education for our kids. How about collecting the taxes that are actually owed? How about cutting wasteful spending?

As for the state employee from NJ, please don’t try to make this a race issue. These furloughs are affecting teachers from all different races and the people in charge and so called bosses are all different races as well. It is not a case of mean white men taking from poor minority people. If you noticed the headline in today’s AJC, the white males are the highest percentage of unemployed.

jbeggs

July 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

Hey Vernell, we native Georgian’s hope you do move back to New Jersey. Crimes have tripled in my county since the DC, NJ, and NY migration south began 5 or 6 years ago. I-85 and I-75 north are open every day!!!

Beach High Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
8:18 am

Why not just take the whole week of Thanksgiving and a Columbus day off. Morale goes up when you get more breaks.

jbeggs

July 22nd, 2009
8:19 am

Hey State Workers, welcome to the real world. I work for a large corporation and we lay-off people in tough times. We do not furlough. Be glad it’s a few days off and not the alternative. Unreal!!!!!

stunned

July 22nd, 2009
8:20 am

This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with the inability to budget. There are plenty of ways to cut budgets besides making one of the lowest paid college degree holding employees take a day off without pay. Teachers are the most important profession out there. If it wasn’t for them we would know very little. If anything they need a raise, and no I’m not a teacher.

Reggie

July 22nd, 2009
8:21 am

If the state is looking to save money why have the various school districts push the start of the school year back by a week or two. I have always thought going back to school early in August was a little off-kilter. If they really what to something they should take a look at redoing the calendar permanently.

Most schools up north have school years that end something in early-mid June and begin after Labor Day(the unofficial end of Summer). This is for you Green advocates, the energy savings along would save a Gazillion bucks. You will not have all those AC units in full blast in August (traditionally one the hottest months of the year)in each school in the state.

State Employee

July 22nd, 2009
8:23 am

I am just curious as to when “His Excellency” will be taking his 3 furlough days since he should be covered under “all state employees”.

Tom English

July 22nd, 2009
8:27 am

I know our great governor and lawmakers, even though are unable not to be at work, will take the equivalent of the same number of days pay cut. Surely they want to do their part.

Questiom?

July 22nd, 2009
8:28 am

Correct me if I am Wrong, But isn’t the APS Aft Affiliated?

GA Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
8:35 am

Can we stop this furlough nonsense and just lay people off. Yes I said it!!! Every state agency including schools have people on the payroll who are lazy and do not contribute to the organization. Send them packing and morale will increase among productive employees and we can spend more time working and less time trying to pacify bottom-feeders. Just a thought!

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
8:37 am

Don’t complain now…….you all wanted REPUBLICAN….you got it. NOW DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “You people” have the audacity to complain be elected the man into office, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA It’s about time that some of you feel what “white-collar slavery” feels like-welcome to the other side of the tracks!!!

Ri

July 22nd, 2009
8:38 am

The millions of dollars that was spent on Sonny’s Go Fish project that’s of course in his hometown was a waste. It don’t cost millions of dollars to fish. You talk about wasteful spending.

TM

July 22nd, 2009
8:39 am

Most teachers will work at home on their furlough days, or they will go to their classrooms if the buildings are open. As someone has already commented, teachers have more to do than the alloted planning days allow. They put in long hours all year grading papers and writing lesson plans at home at night and on weekends. This is done without overtime pay. One doesn’t become a teacher for the money for sure! It is a sad day when teachers are asked to sacrifice a pay check after all they do!

FCM

July 22nd, 2009
8:41 am

OK I got the list of school supplies, now I know why handsoap and other basic (papertowel) were on the list. This is BS I barely can keep my house running and provide a few ‘nice things’ (cable, soccer) for my family. What about those worse off than I? How can they do this.

Plus add in that Georgia does SO WELL (sarcasm) with it’s schooling & testing obviously less money needs to be spent here.

Perdue I am ashamed I elected you years ago…based on your dedication to Education. How about a paycut to the Superintendents and keep the teachers?

Scott

July 22nd, 2009
8:44 am

Is Perdue a damm idiot or what he’s in for a rude awakening if he think the teachers in this state who are already under paid will go for this mess .

GA Teacher11

July 22nd, 2009
8:50 am

This really will turn into a working without pay situation for most teachers. If they furlough us on teacher work days, we’ll have to work extra hours or come in anyway to finish our ever increasing load of cover the system’s butt paperwork. I’m alrady planning to go in at least 3-4 days in the weeks before preplanning b/c we are in constant meetings during pre-planning and have no time to get ready for the 1st day of school. At least if they furlough us during preplanning, we might get out of some pointless meetings. I guess Perdue has forgotten how much of their own money teachers spend on their classrooms – no $100 giftcard this year and take some money out of our paychecks. How nice – he should remember how the educators in this state banded together to elect him into office. I truly don’t think he’d be there if we hadn’t.

Mtn. Man

July 22nd, 2009
8:50 am

Dr. R, Congratulations on your comments about the “REAL DEPRESSION”….the one in the 1930,s! Kids from that era {now seniors for the math challenged},really do know how we,as a generation were included in the sacrifices of family…..when unemployment rates were in the above the 30% rate,forcing a lot more than temporary layoffs! Education was a survival exercise,taught by my widowed mother,made a reality,by a family scrambling to eat!Not to denigrate any one here,just saying my peace,about some not-too-old history lesson,that serves me now in retirement,funded by hard and intelligently consistant planning by an individual……..not by any governmental plan! BRAVO for the individuals out there!..It will work for you….try it! Mtn. Man

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

I like “Bob’s” idea-everyone that has a problem with how Ole’ Sonny operates should congregate on his front porch on their furlough day. Just like “we” did in the Civil Rights era-march until “you people” recognized your evil ways-KARMA is real!!! And from 1 single parent to another…..stay strong, we have always survived off of the “pennies” they throw @ us. Those who boast are real the ones standing in the “Welfare” line…they are not far behind!!! Praying for all of us.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

Frustrated Cobb Teacher, you are right on the mark! In fact, I don’t know why, Dear, you are asking the administrators to understand your decisions. All you are doing is stating that you will now ONLY work the hours required of you by your contract. No need to understand that– seems self-explanatory to me. Teachers as a group have long since martyred ourselves in the name of future generations. Look where that has landed us–out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Mom in Georgia– you sound like a student I had ages ago. She used to structure her arguments just like that. Nicely done, rhetorically speaking, and what lovely suggestions. Perhaps you should send that as a letter downtown. Maybe the good old boys would like to read it?

At the risk of repeating myself, I am going to repeat myself (Ha!). I have a solution for all teachers that won’t require striking or visiting Sonny in his territory. I suggest we do what Frustrated Cobb Teacher is suggesting. Then we send Mom in Georgia down there with her ideas and help poor, confused Sonny sort this all out.

I say we work-to-the rule.

If they want to pay us for ONLY 186 days, I say we, as teachers, do just what they say.

Since we can not form unions or officially strike, I say we pull a work-to-the-rule strike. Work-to-rule is an age old protest action in which teachers would do no more than the minimum required by the rules of our contract and follow guidelines during our contracted hours.

This would mean no more coaching, no more tutoring, no more help sessions, no more parent- conferences (unless during the operating school hours of 8Am- 4PM) and no more GRADING OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL. My English 101 papers would take months to grade. Goodness, I don’t know if I’d even get to the Freshman research paper.

Sounds lovely to me. I have no problem at all working my newly contracted hours.

Ok–the senile old English Teacher is going back to reading Mark Twain now. Ya’ll (yes I said ya’ll) let me know when you get it all worked out.

It's about time

July 22nd, 2009
8:55 am

Enter your comments here I remember when the teacher help Sonny win the governor race payback is mother

teacher1

July 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

I am willing to do what I need to do, however, when I see leaders still living extravagant lifestyles I become infuriated. If we all must sacrifice, then we ALL must sacrifice. In reference to Vernell’s comment below, it isn’t only rich WHITE leaders, race has nothing to do with this.

Teresa Hartlein

July 22nd, 2009
9:08 am

No tax free holidays!!!

4 day work weeks would solve all the money problems!!

Payback

July 22nd, 2009
9:09 am

Don’t complain now…….you all wanted REPUBLICAN Is Perdue a damm idiot

Bill

July 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

Go ahead and move back to NJ, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. In case you haven’t noticed, a ton of folks are suffering – at least you have a job that pays for the lousy service state employees provide. I suggest we lay off the whole bunch for a month and then see what we really need

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:11 am

It’s About Time–

Make sure you proofread, Dear.

Sincerely,
Your Evil Old English Teacher

Common sense Steve

July 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

I have three teachers in my family. Its unfortunate teachers will miss 3 days for planning and lose 3 days pay. However, given the seriousness of this recession, everyone should understand, this is real stuff. We are thankful for our jobs. All that said, without being required to, everyone from the Superintendents down should be included. Leadership by example.

WTF

July 22nd, 2009
9:13 am

boo hoo—-FU

WTF

July 22nd, 2009
9:15 am

Who needs teachers? This assbackward state is never going to join the 21st century so screw it and its redneck residents. Anyone desiring an education leave now and let this hellhole sink back to its good old plantation days.

angryGahighschool teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:17 am

I’ll take the three days off and parents can come take my place during those days. We can not get even them to come to meeting about their children. We are blamed for the short coming of the parents. I’m real tired of being told how bad our school are and how bad teacher are.

deejay

July 22nd, 2009
9:19 am

Let’s be real. A few days of furlough time for State Executives would be considered vacation time without pay. I have had forced vacation time without pay for the past 9 years and I am still surviving. I am sure these well paid executives have enough money put away to handle a few days off. Just enjoy the time off and cherish the moments with the family, kids, and friends.

Terry Young

July 22nd, 2009
9:21 am

Why didn’t Perdue find out if he can legally furlough teachers before he went to press with this. My contract says 180 days. I don’t mind the furlough if he is going to make EVERYBODY including himself do it as well.
However, here we go again… now you wonder why Georgia is on the bottom of the heap as far as education is concerned.

Kitty

July 22nd, 2009
9:22 am

Stop your bell-aching. No one is trying to keep anyone down. If you want a high-paid, high-end job, then go back to school and get one. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, and be glad that it’s only furloughs, and not your job itself. They could just fire a lot of people and that would get Georgia back on top. My husband has a master’s degree and teaches. We both work in government and we will both be furloughed. What did he do? Did he complain? No. He went out and got a 3rd job immediately. Yes, I said third. He has a little company on the side to bring in extra money. Grow up people and get out of this pity party. It’s really quite immature.

middler and so tired of all the rhetoric :

July 22nd, 2009
9:24 am

It wasn’t announced in this article but I am looking forward to hearing about Gov. Perdue’s furlough days, the district superintendents’ furlough days, and everyone else in the school systems and state education department taking equal unpaid time off.

The run of the mill citizens are being asked to sacrifice and give up and take it; how about the our leaders leading the way, especially with their higher incomes and benefits! And if the Lt. Governor is truly ready to step in a moment’s notice he and the Governor can stagger their days off so one is always at work. There are assistant superintendents who take over when their bosses are on vacation so they could do so in this situation too. If teachers and police officers and other vital people can take furloughs so can everyone else.

Yikes

July 22nd, 2009
9:25 am

Instead of cutting days from the teachers, we need to cut fluff programs and extra pay for the “in” crowd. this starts at our local schools and goes all the way up to the state levels of education. some will want to cut sports next and that is NOT an answer. NBCT pay should be eliminated 1st, followed by lead teachers and graduation coaches extra administrators that do not do the job, then extended day employees need to have more days taken away, there are many ways to save money in education and these will save a load of cash fast.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:26 am

Common Sense Steve,

I agree completely. That is why I think teachers should work our newly contracted hours complaint free. Of course, I also think we should work ONLY our contracted hours. Which means I come in at 8AM and leave at 4PM. Whatever I do not get completed within that time frame is left until the next day. I won’t have to coach the Academic Bowl Team or offer SAT tutoring sessions for free. I won’t have to get up at 6:30 in the morning to help tutor little Nikki so she can pass the GHSGT. I won’t even have to stay after 5:30 to meet with Alvin’s Mom about his performance because that is the only time she gets off work. All in all, seems like a fair deal to me.

I hope my students don’t mind waiting months to get papers returned. I know! I’ll just explain to them the “seriousness of this recession… this is real stuff.”

Yes! They will absolutely understand that.

In all fairness though, your heart is in the right place if you think educational leadership should also take leave. It is very sweet, naive, but sweet,

That will never happen until we, as teachers, get off the cross and stop sacrificing ourselves.

dontmindpayingtaxesnow!

July 22nd, 2009
9:27 am

As we sit here moaning about the budget cuts, remember we did it to ourselves. The people we elected to represent us both nationally and locally vowed to cut taxes and they did. I guess we did not realize that the taxes we pay, do more good than harm. We decided to run our governments like a business and just like any business that has no revenue, cuts are being made. The sad truth about this is the fact that those that those of us that voted for tax cuts, have weakened our government just to have a few hundred extra dollars in our pocket to invest in failed stocks. I think that the next time I vote, I will vote to be my brothers keeper and ante up to help my fellow man and country. Change occured with down economics, but the air and attitude at the top was so cold, it froze at the higher levels.

CJG

July 22nd, 2009
9:29 am

Great idea. Work your contracted hours only. But work them. Don’t kick back and b.s. 1/2 your day when more of your work could have been done during your “contracted working time”.

Concerned

July 22nd, 2009
9:29 am

Find any state employee’s salary here: http://www.open.georgia.gov/

Click on the green square, ‘Salaries & Travel Reimbursements’. The cuts should come from the top and not from our educators. Does Good’ole Sonny care about the education of our children? I think not.

T

July 22nd, 2009
9:30 am

I feel the last place we should cut is schools. Georgia is at the bottom of education as it is. This will not help. I think that all the upper management should take all the fur-lows and see how it feels not to be able to pay your bills. What do we do tell our creditors sorry but the state made me take days off without pay so you will get it when I do. Yeah, that will go over well. I am so discussed with all of this. It seems we all have to live within a budget but the government does not. They can spend any amount and then tell us to take fur-lows to pay for their mistakes. They are always cutting from schools, police, and firemen, my question is why not start at the top instead of the bottom for cuts?

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:34 am

CJG-

Have you ever been in a classroom with 32 teenagers? I could not BS them for even fifteen minutes if my life depended on it. They’d know it immediately! Goodness, half of them spend most of their time trying to FIND the BS just so they can point it out. BS for 1/2 of a day? No, no we call that “professional development” and your elected officials demand it.

CJG

July 22nd, 2009
9:35 am

“my question is why not start at the top instead of the bottom for cuts?”
Why is it that you should be penalized for making more. Percentage cuts across the board, not just take fom the top. Unless you are looking for some sort of socialism/communism system. We can all get paid the same, regardless of work. Sounds terrific.

Grad student/special education

July 22nd, 2009
9:37 am

Wow, there are a lot of comments here. I understand that this state and country is in a “hot mess” but when you see the salaries that were posted by “cynthia” from the high end state employees….I am appalled…How about those folks taking a “big cut” including Mr. Sonny. There is still a lot of waste going on in state governments and local BOEs…..and no one is doing anything about it. Mr. Sonny needs to leave teachers alone. Cut the “waste” for good at the top and I love the comment about the retirees earning “big consultant” fees in addition to retirement….this is messed up….I guess I will have to keep going to school until the economy improves if I can afford it.

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

Ok teachers, do the math. You get paid 190 days of which 180 of those days you actually are in the class room with the kids. So that mean you have 10 days away from the kids which mean you will be getting three of those 10 days furlough (take you pick). Now do you all understand how that works or do we need to have another lesson on this.

CJG

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

Evil Old English Teacher – auctually I have. The comment was an exxageration in order to make a point. Assuming you are a teacher, I’m sure you understand what I am saying. Its not that way with all, but a large portion. Time-management is a lost art.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 am

CJG-
“Percentage cuts across the board, not just take fom the top [sic].”

Well that is the MOST sensible thing you have said yet! Absolutely! 2% from everyone (not just teachers), take away scheduled raises from everyone (not just teachers), AND three furlough days from everyone (not just teachers).

Here, here!

Shakesia

July 22nd, 2009
9:41 am

Give up smokes and lottery tickets to get my kids school supplies and clothes? You must be on drugs fool! I’ll let the government pay those costs–they owe me big time!

Linda Burgess Mason

July 22nd, 2009
9:42 am

It is sad that teachers are being called upon to take 3 days furlough. These are people that work many days and nights for which they are not paid. I agree that Governor Perdue and his staff also should take 3 days furlough.

Common sense Steve

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 am

Evil Old English Teacher, well said. But as you know, the everyday person has no idea of the dedication 90% of our teachers have. But those teachers don’ t do it for those folks, they do it for the love they have for their students. Its all about the kids.

[...] Perdue calls on teachers to take furloughs to help fill $900 million hole. [...]

Terry Y

July 22nd, 2009
9:53 am

I would guarantee that if you asked teachers if they would prefer early retirement, you might get a better response. Veteran teachers, many of us are very tired now. I wouldn’t mind it.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:55 am

Here is an example of work to the rule in another state:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/homepage/x1895694455

It has also happened in North Carolina, California, Boston, Baltimore and even in England, Australia, and France.

Single mom

July 22nd, 2009
9:56 am

First of all, they are not giving us a cost of living raise for the next two years, but are raising our insurance rates, making our check less, which I have accepted. Now they want to take two days off my paycheck for the month of August? I am a single mother barely getting by as it is and taking two days at once puts me under with my bills. Don’t get me wrong, I am very thankful for my job and glad this is all that has happened to me but when will they stop making education suffer so the higher ups can still keep their salaries?

Of course…. let’s not forget they upped the amount we have to pay into our retirement accounts. This already has taken money out of my check. I am looking at $150 less/ month, at least on my check already.

Those of you who believe teachers get so many days off…. I do not know one teacher who does not spend there summer preparing, organizing, spending time at their schools, and preparing for your children. We do not get paid to be there but we are there for you, our community and our school. You would be hard pressed to find one teacher who doesn’t do these things on their time off. If you find one, they will not be in this profession for very long because believe it or not, we do not do it for the money.

CJG

July 22nd, 2009
9:57 am

Evil Old English Teacher – I’m sure more agencies will be experiencing the same as time comes. Just a shame that cost control weren’t used when times were better, then maybe the blows being suffered now wouldn’t be so severe.
Educators are not the only people out there taking their work home btw. The 40 hour work week, in essence, has disappeared. They should feel lucky however that they do have the opportunity to finish “overload” at home. My previous position had no such luxury. 70-80 hours per week, 6 day week, while being paid salary with no overtime. Still ended up leading to a lay-off in the end.
Bottom-line, you can gripe about a small cut, but I know many who would have gladly taken a cut across the board rather than becoming unemployed.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:58 am

Common Sense Steve,

That is precisely the problem! I fear that we as teachers, have done an injustice to the American people by not educating them on the amount of work that is done outside our contracted hours. Again, that is all the more reason to work-to-the-rule. If anything else, it will educate that 90% to which you refer.

I see we stand agreed.

June

July 22nd, 2009
10:01 am

How can furloughing teachers help very much when someone still has to be paid to be with the classroom? Cut school to 4 longer days/week and save on salaries, buses, electricity, etc…

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
10:03 am

CJG-

Who’s griping? I’m simply saying teachers work according to what they are paid: our contracted hours. 186 days–no problem.

CONCERNED

July 22nd, 2009
10:03 am

This not only concerns teachers. Just think your inmates will be left unguarded as well.

Norbert

July 22nd, 2009
10:06 am

As per usual, “we the people” are quick to blame the politicians, when we are the problem. We want good schools, secure streets, and all the social services, but we don’t want to pay for them. God forbid we should raise taxes! Plus, nobody wants to do their part to get us through this economic mess. We must all make sacrifices.

Single mom

July 22nd, 2009
10:08 am

So I am sitting here thinking about what I can cut or do to make up for lost income. I believe I will start by not working the Running Club at our school, there are extra nights and weekends that I can use to get another job. I will not participate on the Community Involvement Committee, where I spent countless hours volunteering to tutor “little Johnny” for free. This will free up some more time I can use for second job. Maybe I will also step off of the Literacy Team which helps work with the students to improve their writing abilities, that frees up two afternoons a month. I will not stay until 5 or 6 working on PTO, parent and school meetings that benefit the children. I will not use my time away from school to prepare lessons, field trips, programs, fun days, activities or other things that would benefit the children…… gee it looks like I can cut back as well!

Stilumus Money

July 22nd, 2009
10:11 am

Is this the same state that did not want to take stimulus money? Speaking of, where is our stimulus money? Jobs can be had by mowing the medians on the highway. I have traveled to SC twice in recent months (June 13, July 18) I20 through Augusta and it is shameful the way this highway looks. You cannot see the traffic on the other side of the highway for the overgrown medians. Cross over into SC and you immediately notice the difference. Mark Sanford may have had a mistress in Argentina but I tell you one thing, the grass on SC highways is cut.

Wouldn’t taking care of the highways be jobs for someone?

Enough already. While I don’t know where the money is going, I certainly know where it isn’t going – to keep our highways clean.

Gov. Sonny – you probably care, it’s just that we don’t know about what exactly.

Stilumus Money

July 22nd, 2009
10:12 am

I forgot.

Repub. Govs are sitting on stimulus money hoping this administration will fail. That is it in a nutshell!

Stilumus Money

July 22nd, 2009
10:17 am

I forgot.

There are some – Gov Jindal, Gov Perdue, Gov Sanford, Gov Crist (what do they all have in common) that are sitting on stilumus money hoping this administration will fail. If we sit by and allow this to happen when people are losing jobs because one party is holding (trying to hold) another party hostage we defeat only ourselves. This is not about a party, this is about all (everyone, you and me, our) livelihood and we don’t dare let any party interfere with that and the future of our children and grandchildren. It is truly time we all stand as one collective people for the good of all people.

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
10:18 am

To Evil Old English Teacher – Other state agencies have already taken pay cuts and furlough days. No raises, insurance and everything else going up but our pay. We work overtime as well and get no more money for it. So teacher get over it and be a team player, take your furloughs and stop crying. The rest of us have been taking our fulough for 4 plus months now. Teachers you are already getting 10 days pay for nothing and a summer vacation.

maria

July 22nd, 2009
10:22 am

If SonnyBoy hadn’t rejected some of the stimulus money, the schools might not be in trouble. We don’t have budget problems as severe as in Calif so the money definitely would have helped.

thankateacher

July 22nd, 2009
10:23 am

If the public only new how much money goes into central office employee salaries, then they would be outraged. You can research this as it is public knowledge. Go to this link:

http://www.open.georgia.gov/

You might be shocked to know how much those central office employees (local school systems) make yet do little to nothing. Eliminate all of the waste there and that would save a LOT of money! Oh yeah, Cathy Cox is a joke to the education system in Georgia.

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
10:24 am

Sonny took away the $100 gift card that is used to buy supplies and other education material for the class rooms. Now we are back to spending our money to buy supplies for the classroom. Now he cuts out more of our pay and makes the statement that we should be proud that we have jobs. You didn’t say that when teacher shortages were at a critical level. Shame on you Perdue. We expect quality higher level of education and are quick to criticize the education system, then cut the pay of those providing access to a successful future. Are any of the brilliant minds that are making all of these decisions taking pay cuts themselves? So in summary, let me get this straight, take away their pay, make them buy their own supplies, yet expect better educational results each year, and tell them they should be proud that they even have a job. When was the last time a superintendant took a pay cut?

Kevin

July 22nd, 2009
10:25 am

My wife and I are teachers (public school and state university). Teachers and college professors can and should absorb their share of the state budget shortfall. However, if the state can get away with calling it a furlough, then the teachers must not work on those days, nor students taught. (What a shame that would be.) Why not call it what it is and say it’s a pay cut? Teachers would work the same number of days for less money. The faculty I know will not stay home or cancel classes if they aren’t required to do so. They put their students’ welfare above their personal income. Obviously, any reduction in pay is more of a hardship for some than for others. Targeting “easy” parts of the population just because you can is neither good policy nor good politics.

Dwsmith

July 22nd, 2009
10:28 am

Some of you people have no idea what we are going to face in 2010, 2011 & 2012. There will most likely be no money. States are going broke. The Fed is already broke and printing money everyday to meet the daily needs of the government. You people better wake up, the worst is yet to come and it is not going to be a pretty picture. We are headed for a total financial collapse.

Dwsmith

July 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

Wine, wine, wine, you all sound like a bunch of babies!!!

TeacherFan

July 22nd, 2009
10:35 am

Someone mentioned they were hoping that they would not lose thier accumulated personal days that are usually taken at retirement. Made me think that this may be away to overcome pay loss. Allow a teacher that has accumulated days off to use three of these days instead of taking a three ady furlough. A recent teacher friend had enough accumulated days off that she retired 1 year early. These where her choice to either take off during the school year or not use them and save for future time off. What do you teachers think about this as a way to offset time/salary loss.

Kathryn P

July 22nd, 2009
10:37 am

What a complete embarassment! We are already one of the lowest ranked states in terms of education, and this just reinforces the message that Georgia doesn’t give a rat’s nose for or about education.

It’s clear that Sonny is a lame duck. Kathy Cox can’t even manage her own money; why does she have any control over education funds?

Georgia just does not care about education. Just. Does. Not.

Expect the welfare rolls to swell in the coming years, as these children grow into unprepared adults, and fail. A legacy to be proud of, Sonny, eh?

Desperate Annie

July 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

“How about everyone of Sonny’s staff, every department chief, and every legislator (and their staff) taking a 5% pay cut??!!”

As a state employee on a legislator’s staff, this is offensive to me. When teachers got raises, we got none. When teachers got large raises, we go 2%. As a state employee, my parking is going up 233% starting in Sept. Teachers don’t pay for parking. Their salaries are much higher. We have families and budgets just like everyone else. Just because we work for legislators doesn’t mean we don’t work hard and we certainly don’t have summer vacation, Christmas vacation, spring break, fall break, etc. To imply that somehow we need to be punished because of where we work is demeaning. We have families and bills just like everyone else.

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
10:42 am

Well said Desperate Annie!!

John

July 22nd, 2009
10:45 am

Teachers and state employees are being furliughed at the same time state prosecutors are going to the beach at Jekyll Island Sunday at taxpayer expense. Isn’t something wrong with that?

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
10:45 am

To R. Kessler (teacher) – took away your $100.00 gift card, so what. for years teachers have sent home a list of supplies for kids to bring and then the teachers takes it a stores it away. So I would say your room is pretty well stocked.

Hobson the former math teacher

July 22nd, 2009
10:48 am

Idiots everywhere. Two words to solve this problem: HOME SCHOOLING. And Vernell from one of the first posts in this thread, please DO move back to New Jersey. You people are always playing your race cards. This isn’t a racial issue; it’s a legal and financial issue. Go ahead and move back to New Joizy please, as well already are up to our collective wazoos in ni66ers around here.

Heartline

July 22nd, 2009
10:48 am

Hmmm go get a job in the private sector. Is that your answer. It is amazing to me how private sector slaves (pvss) think that all public sector slaves(pbss) are incompetent.You PVSS help to create this economic downturn with your I want more because I work for the private sector. AIG is still trying to pay their executives a bonus for helping to take a WORLWIDE ECONOMY down.

I have worked for the public sector for 23 years and during those 23 years I have always kept a 2nd job in the private sector. You PVSS are just as sorry and inept as you claim PBSS are, you just get paid more money to be an inept slave. We are all victims of incompetent and ineffectual government programs, useless and greedy leaders and YES, lazy citizenship. Faith without works is dead pointing the finger at PBSS who have listen to you in the unemployment offices, helped you navigate through schools, searched for your birth certificate and helped your mother go to the bathroom is not how to solve the situation. Stop buying a BMW and drive a Chevrolet and make Chevrolet build a better vehicle. Stop buying everything on credit, wait until you have enough money saved to get what you want. Quit let Madison Ave tell us what to buy and what we need. STOP WHINING Get a life, be a better citizen, go vote and shut up

Mrnumbersman

July 22nd, 2009
10:49 am

For those of blaming Sonny Perdue just need to stop. If you think he is the cause of this economic downturn then you have lost your ever-loving mind. I am also an educator who faces the possibility of furloughs and I am not happy about it. Losing 3 days pay is nothing compared to those who face the possibility of losing their job. It is not the most pleasant thing but Perdue is not the cause of your problems. Teachers, in particular, you have known this was a possibility for a while. You should have prepared. If not you have no one to blame but yourself.

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
10:50 am

“Pitty party”…..no sweetie-it’s a HARSH REALITY”. When the “MESS” hits the fan, IT IS ABOUT RACE!!!!!!!! No one had any problems when “our people” were the individuals infiltrating the welfare lines. Now that you and yours would rather kill yourselves working 3 and 4 jobs rather than accepting the fact that THE SYSTEM IS NOT CREATED EQUALLY, then you can recognize the fact that SONNY BOY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ELECTED INTO OFFICE IN TO BEGIN WITH. “You people” elect those who are REPUBLICAN IN GEORGIA because you too scared to accept the fact that WE NEED CHANGE IN THE SOUTH-INCLUDING BETTER PAY TO OUR TEACHERS AND MORE SUPPORT FOR EDUCATION PERIOD!!!!!!
I’m a college graduate with TWO degrees….so what about having a mater’s or a PH.D. When those “GOOD OLE BOYS” at the top want to keep their foot on you…they do it by telling you you are “TOO QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION”….so it is about RACE. “You people” just getting caught in the rope now too. Try electing officials BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS AND REPUTATION…….NOT THE COLOR OF THE SKIN. Oh that’s right…..wait til you in trouble then get “our people” to pull you out the mess-75 % of why “you people” elected OBAMA!!!! Your “GOOD OLE BOY” did a hell of a job…huh (sarcasm).
Roy Barnes wasn’t so bad after all…huh. And to the teachers/professors that help me and so many others…..THANK YOU!!!! SONNY YOU STINK!!!!!!

Oh, great

July 22nd, 2009
10:53 am

“To imply that somehow we need to be punished because of where we work is demeaning. We have families and bills just like everyone else.” Well, Desperate Annie, I’ll tell you what everyone seems to be telling the teachers: “Quit whining and be happy you have the job.”

BTW – when was that “large raise”? Oh, I must have missed that with the insurance rates going up.

“For years teachers have sent home a list of supplies for kids to bring and then the teachers takes it a stores it away.” Really? I never took any of my students supplies (unless it was paper with answers on it to be graded, lol). In all my years of being a parents (2 kids, younger one just graduated) my kids NEVER said that their teachers took their supplies – And I know not of this “communal pot” some of you complain about.

If you think things are bad now – just wait…there is another set of “funny money” investments due to cause problems next year.

Hang on to your hats, boys, we’re in for a bumpy ride!

Slick

July 22nd, 2009
10:55 am

To: Cobb Teachers are #1

Obama is not helping…..in fact he and his liberal socialist buddies are digging the hole deeper and deeper. A hole so deep we will never be able to climb out. He will prove (is proving) to be the biggest mistake in the history of American elections that American voters have ever made.

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
10:57 am

Many school districts throughout the country are extending the school day by a couple hours and making the school week four days instead of five. This is saving them millions of dollars without hurting the quality of education. Instead of automatically saying cut peoples pay, why don’t these people research other ways to save money on the budget? I didn’t have to research too long to get this information.

hope it gets better

July 22nd, 2009
11:00 am

As a state employee, I’ve already had to furlough….So myself and my fellow state workers have already felt the hit….Now the trickle down effect must happen with teachers, etc who are state employees too. I will be so glad when the economy recovers so that the word furlough will be a distant memory. Sorry that the teachers have to feel the same pinch we’ve felt since late 2008, but I guess it has to be done. I’d rather a furlough happen rather than lay offs, yes it’s a catch 22 with no raises and pending furloughs…but rather have that then to have more pink slips and 2week or 30 day layoff notices handed out. Atleast with furloughs you still have your benefits (though not as nice of a package as the Fed employees), but none the less still benefits are better then none and some furlough days are better then NO JOB AT ALL.

For the record...

July 22nd, 2009
11:01 am

Poor Vernell. I can’t remember the last time I left at 5:00 and I am salaried so I do not get paid for the extra 10 to 20 hours per week I and many just like me work.

Vernell…Playing the race card again. Good grief, I’ve seen many Mexicans come here with just the shirts on their back and not even speaking English , then bust their butts 10-12 hours a day without complaining and you know what??? They now have SUV’s and nice homes.

It isn’t “whitey” who is holding you down Vernell, the person who is holding you down is that person in your mirror.

Heartline

July 22nd, 2009
11:03 am

Vernell I am African American I am offended by race comment also. Please move back to New Jersey. People like you give the White Establishment to much ammunition and power. The color is green

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:04 am

Then tell everyone what you used that $100.00 gift card for. I have every year seen list were teachers wants kids to supplies them with dry erase markers, paper, pencils, hand wipes,etc. So “Oh, great” tell me what all that is about. I count my blessings everyday that my kids don’t have to go to public school. My parents didn’t have to send all that to school when I was young. My mom bought it when needed.

dwsmith

July 22nd, 2009
11:04 am

Slick: The only reason the blacks voted for Obama was because of his skin color, not that he was the best choice or had the experience. The white democrat vote put him into office, now they are the ones scared to death of his socialists ways. He will not win a second term. Unemployment will be at 20% before he finally destroys this economy. You get what you vote for.

Tammy Stecker

July 22nd, 2009
11:06 am

Let us all remember this brilliance when it comes time to go back to the polls. What teacher in her/his right mind can take off when we are held responsible for CRCT scores??? The state already expects us to work miracles with some of our students and cover a STUPID number of standards in one school year. I would love to see our government officials try to do my job for just two weeks—-bell to bell. I want to stay and watch, though.

Leon Logan

July 22nd, 2009
11:06 am

Marshall’s comments sounds like a ‘well informed’ republican. A good guess is that he has never read a book that was not approved by the republican censorship society. If he would read some factual information by REAL economists he would find out that the republican tax cuts is a huge part of the deficit and a lack of oversight and corporate greed brought on this financial crisis.The Bush administration attacked our constitution more than any previous one.

I thought Ann Coulter and Fox news would have covered that.

Biker

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:07 am

Amen!!!!!! to you – “hope it gets better”

dwsmith

July 22nd, 2009
11:08 am

People are so use to the government providing their every need. That is where the liberal democrats want you to be, clinging to them for whatever you need, so you will vote for them. Its a sad state when people can not think for themselves.

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
11:09 am

DUH your name says it all. Do you realize how much I spend on supplies for my students because they have none of their own. I give away much more than $100 in supplies to students each year. I’m not complaining. I, as well as most teachers, am very dedicated to the well being of my students. How much of the supplies do you buy for your employer? If you don’t know anything about something (which is obvious) don’t comment about it.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:12 am

To Marshal and Georgia on my mind…and any others knocking on teachers for being overpaid – Walk a mile in our shoes, do what we do everyday, not for money, but because we love it (yet still need to eat and live) and then make your comments. Atleast then they would be better educated and more enlightened ones rather than some idiotic jabbering of a lunatic. I can’t believe the nerve that some people have to get on here and make derrogatory statements about teacher salaries, but then again there are those unintelligent ones that for some reason or another have fallen through the cracks or are just born from bad stock. You should be ashamed of yourselves. And those of you who are “elitetist” private sector business owners (Georgia on my mind…), need to get your hands dirty and get with the program (AND DEFINITELY NOT REPRODUCE!!!!)

Oh, great

July 22nd, 2009
11:13 am

To Duh – we got the gift card for two years. The first year I bought supplies for teaching physical science. As an 8th grade science teacher, the state changed the curriculum from Earth to physical and so I needed posters, books, and supplies for activities. As a science teacher who teaches 40-50% of the time with hands-on experiments, I needed to replenish those same said supplies the following year. Baking soda, vinegar, pH paper, replacement glassware (for the stuff the kids broke) etc. Is that good enough for you or do you need a more detailed analysis?

I can also tell you that all I ever asked my kids to provide was something to write with, something to write on, and something to blow their noses into – I never asked for dry erase markers or anything else like that and I never had a “community pot.” I did buy hand soap, hand sanitizer, and tissues for my class (because the handful of boxes I got never lasted the year), but I won’t be doing that this year.

Food for thought – in my county, the district is the number one employer – now you have a boatload of people making less money – and spending less, too. The $100 gift card got spent in the community, for the community – that’s gone as well. I understand sacrifice, and blah blah…happy to have a job…blah blah…but, seriously, there is going to be additional costs and fallout to this that some of you don’t seem to be considering – all you seem to be doing is using this as an opportunity to bash teachers, yet again. If I worked in the private sector, I’d feel the exact same way about a pay cut – happy to have a job, but dismayed about the cut in pay. Who among us wouldn’t?

dwsmith

July 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

Leon: You have it all wrong buddy. Once Obama gets done with this country he will allow the one world order to take power and our constitution will be gone. Look at cap n trade and government run health care. You are losing your rights under him and you are too blind to see it.

A Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

Marshal, you must be delusional if you think teachers are overpaid. If you break it down hourly, I don’t even make minimum wage. I already have 30 4th graders in my classroom. How many more do you want me to have? I can’t even fit any more desks in my room. Do you think those 30 kids are getting the best education I can give them? NO! There is ONE of me divided among 30 children. NONE of them get individual attention, and there is very limited small group time. We are expected to make kids excel but are given little to no help from our government and, in some cases, from parents.

Stiffback

July 22nd, 2009
11:17 am

It seems folks are really hurting financially, emotionally, and physically. With jobs being lost, hours being cuts, or days asked to be without pay, we ALL are being hurt by this economy. It really doesn’t matter if Bush or Obama caused this, it’s here, and it’s real.

Real folks are losing homes, and/or deciding against paying rent/mortgage or buying food and/or medicine for survival. I can get spiritual and advised God is the only answer, but many will not accept that as well. But the one solution no one will even bring up is UNITY.

Being together and stand against the wrong the local, state, and federal gov’t are forcing aginst all of us. Suppose if everyone decides to take one day off; THE SAME DAY! Do you realize the effect something of this magnitude would cause. The amount of money that would be lost because everyone decided to take the same day off. Of course that will never work, because we can’t even agree on drinking water vs tea.

The fact is that until All people of All races come together and decide enough is enough, then 9/11 was a complete success. They knew blowing up those building would put the USA in financial ruin. It would cause us to turn on each other and away from what our fore-father believed in UNITY. So until folks can agree that the USA is in a bad shape, and we as one need to decide on whats best for the country and not just your neck of the woods, then it will only get worst. Because the more you have have-nots, the more the have-nots want to have.

Yea, I’m a firm believer that if a man don’t work, he don’t eat. But should we deny the man that want to work but can’t. There need to be systems in place to folks those that want to help themselves get back on their feet. Should the gov’t/local/state/federal be in charge of this? or should churchs and other non-profit organizations provide. If so, at who’s expense?

The bottom line is this people. Name calling, blaime game, hatred will not fix this economy any more than Perude, Obama, McCain or any other elcted official. Its up to US, the American People to stand up, decide how we want to tackle this problem, and make it happen. Like an old sayin goes: Wait broke the wagon down……

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:17 am

R. Kessler (teacher) – I know a lot about it. I know teachers and I have to hear them whin everyday. I see the list every year, I know what they ask for. I also heard that this year the teachers are not allowed to hand out a list, begging for supplies. Go back to the “Old School” ways, were the school supplied Chalk, black board, and let the parents supplies their own kids with paper, pencil, etc.. I too am a state employee, I have been feeling the pain for months now with my furlough days, so all you Whinny Teachers shut up and be glad to have a few day furlough instead of layoffs!!!!

Sarah

July 22nd, 2009
11:23 am

Its high time people start realizing you get what you pay (vote) for. You want Republicans in office to run the state government when they do nothing but show disdain for government and yet you are surprised when there is no more money to actually run the government? Wow. The Republican way is to starve the government of money until everything has to be privatized so their cronies can get lucrative contracts. This is what you are seeing now. This is why Republicans are always screaming about vouchers.

Also, perhaps if people actually paid the proper amount of taxes instead of always whining about and begging for more tax cuts, there might actually be money in the state coffers to pay for educating our children. Like I said, you get what you pay for.

Perhaps if we didn’t have to give away millions of dollars in tax breaks to bring jobs to this state, we might have the money to pay our teachers what they are really worth (a heck of a lot more than you jerks that think they are glorified babysitters think they are). We let Kia have millions and millions so they can come in here and pay less to workers than a unionized plant would pay. Nice. Real nice. I’m not sure why the South has such hatred for unions when they consistently protect their workers. I guess it’s because the average Southerner educated in the public schools that are severely lacking is too stupid to realize that they will always be the worker bee and never the queen bee because the system in place now is designed to keep you way down the totem pole.

The teachers of this state didn’t like what Roy Barnes was telling them in 2002 so they threw a pissy little tantrum and voted for an idiot. Now we are all reaping what you have sown. Perhaps next November you will remember that you can’t trust a Republican with your money or to do what is right for the common good.

esgerm teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:25 am

I am a Ga. teacher we already have to give up one day at the end of the year with out pay. Why haven’t we heard about cutting the sports programs that cost thousands and thousnds a year? why? We don’t hear about cutting football, basball and basketball, because the parents will complain to high heaven. Why don’t the parents home school their children since every one blames teachers for the ills of society. I challenge Sony Perdue and his staff to go into a Title One School and teach for one entire year for the salary that a new teacher makes and see if they can pay thier bills without a full salery. Here is a propsal, cut perdue’s helicopter rights, He has a helicopter on standby at all times. Does he say he won’t use it? NO!!!!! by the way just to start a helicopter costs $200 each time it goes up.

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:27 am

You are right “Stiffback”. I don’t mean to offend anyone. I am just sick and tired of these teachers complaining. They think that they are the only ones getting furloughed and the only ones hurting, they are not the only ones. It is everyone!! Some of us “state employees” have already been taking furloughs and feel the pain. Good luck and God Bless everyone!!

TeachLefties

July 22nd, 2009
11:27 am

This governor just lost my vote. Without a doubt. I wonder if my administration and the superintendent in my county will be taking the furloughs too? I highly doubt it. I’m sure they will expect us teachers to work for free when we already do that throughout the year.

Look at other countries that are on the top in education like the Netherlands. They invest in their teachers, and the results are clear. Our country just keeps putting teachers down and now stripping them of their salaries. Well, those results will be just as clear.

A Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:28 am

DUH, pencils are used for students to write with. Hand wipes are used to clean hands so germs aren’t spread. They’re also used for cleaning desks and other areas germy kids use. Dry erase markers are used on individual dry erase boards for math as well as other subjects. Saves paper and trees. Hmmmm, sounds like all that stuff on the supply list gets used for the benefit of STUDENTS.

My $100 gift card always went toward supplies for my students. So does the other $700 of MY money I spend every year. That most definitely won’t be happening this year, so please do get that stuff on the supply list. It’s needed more than ever this year. If you don’t get it, your child will have to make do with what he/she has. I can no longer afford to take care of your child because you don’t want to help out. I wish I could.

Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:30 am

I hope DUH is on a furlough day today because it looks like he’s spending way too much govt time online.

mike

July 22nd, 2009
11:31 am

My brother has been laid-off for weeks now…I bet he only wishes it was three unpaid days off. I understand you’re upset, but look at the people in the unemployment line and tell them how upset you are.

M DeLoach

July 22nd, 2009
11:33 am

Can anyone out there tell me what cuts the Governor, Lt. Governor, etc., have taken in their salaries? What cuts have been made to travel by these persons? Have we sold state airplanes yet? When is the Gov. to take a furlough -he is a state employee- and what will that save us?

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:36 am

A Teacher – my children doesn’t go to public school!!! Praise God!!

**Dry erase markers are used on individual dry erase boards for math as well as other subjects**
What happened to walking up to the old fashion blackboard and chaulk?

And as a matter of fact it is my furlough day and I am enjoy every minute of it, thanks.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
11:36 am

Dear DUH,
When was your last psych evaluation? It appears that you need one ASAP for everyone’s sake, including those of your innocent children! I know that it takes ALL kinds of people to make the world go round, so to speak, but your blatant ignorance leads me to believe that the world could do without your kind. You have no clue what it take to educate just one child, much less an entire system. And when is the last time that you priced materials? Most supplies are consumable (that means they are gone when students have finished with them) and have to be purchased EVERY year. You have such a jaded outlook and I almost feel sorry for you. I most certainly feel sorry for the mother, or wolf, that raised you. Do us all a favor and enact your 5th amendment right, if you can figure out how to that!!!!!!

therealcoachking

July 22nd, 2009
11:46 am

I am a teacher. Worked construction to put my way through college so I know first hand how hard it can be in the private sector. Our system has cut our pay 3% and now 3 days laid off. I accept both as the facts of life in hard times. However, teachers should make sure they really take off those three days.
I think that all state paid employees should take off…the governor and staff included. Also, I do think we should not hire retired teachers…reason is really two fold…one that is double dipping…second, hire a new teacher that will cost you less and will give that person a job with a paycheck to spend.
Lastly, we can all see the problems with depending on the government to do everything for everyone. We have become a nation that feels entitled to everything now. If we want to shrink it, we will have to face hard decisions. It just amazes me that last 2008 General Assembly talked about a budget surplus and what to do with it and the 2009 Assembly deals with a shortfall….no foresight.

DUH

July 22nd, 2009
11:48 am

Dear Dedicated Teacher,
And that is why my children doesn’t go to public school, because if a teacher is going to down grade people on here then they will be doing it to a child. Wasn’t it the teacher that helped to get Sonny in office? Just because I speak my mind you want to call me ignorance. If my child or any other child asked a question or spoke their mind you would call them igorance or worst, even if you didn’t agree too it. You think you are the only smart one out here…….. God Bless our schools and our Children!!

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
11:51 am

DUH, Maybe you should ask your educated children for some lessons in spelling and language arts. “My children doesn’t go to public school” Children is plural and doesn’t is singular. They do not belong together. I teach Math and know that. Chalk not chaulk. Reading your comments, I could go on and on. Maybe you were one of those children that were left behind

will

July 22nd, 2009
11:58 am

Vernell, please take Sonny with you if you move back to New Jersey.

confused

July 22nd, 2009
11:59 am

my only question and worry is what impact this will have on our children. if you lower teacher morale, and from reading this I am not sure how that is possible, how will our children be affected in the classroom.

fabgirl

July 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm

Trust me, you don’t want unions here in GA. I’m a GA native who taught in GA for 12 years and now live in CA. The Union here took $104 a month from my check (whether I wanted it or not) and then when I was placed on the layoff list (lack of seniority in CA was the reason), said they couldn’t help me, even after paying $1040 to them this year. The unions are SO good here (sarcasm) that 9 BILLION is getting cut from education. GA really doesn’t want to be where CA is now.

BTW, I got another job at a non-union charter school starting in August, $5K more a year, 1 mile from my house, and with better benefits. At this school, the teachers are expected to keep up with their education to be able to teach the students on a college prep level. For the benefits I’m getting, I’d be willing to do that.

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
12:06 pm

Dear Confused,
No matter what happens, no matter how I feel about the situation, I would never take it out on my students. They are not to blame. I will always place their education above my political or personal feelings. I can assure you my children will never suffer in the classroom over something like this. I chose this profession, not for the money, but for the children.

Beaulah Thigpen

July 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm

Why furlough any working person at school? I agree that Sonny and his co-horts should take time off without pay! That would pay several teacher’s salaries BUT my suggestion would be to cut the expenses of the school’s budgets. I have talked to teachers who HAD to spend several thousands of budget money for supplies they neither needed nor wanted but had the money so HAD to spend it. Just cut these expenses to a bare minimum and that should save millions.

Torn Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm

I had the pleasure of attending a teacher of the year luncheon last spring at the DOE. During the lunch, another teacher asked a legislature sitting at my table about furloughs. He said that they were planning on implementing them during preplanning. The teacher couldn’t believe it being that is a time when teachers do the most preparation for their classrooms. The legislator responded with, “Excactly. Teachers are going to do the work anyway. This is why preplanning is the best time for it.”

I hope these districts who are going to furlough on preplanning are also going to take away the pointless meetings we have to attend. Part of me wants to make a point and not show up to work during these days and make a point out of my classroom not being ready for meet and greet. However, my heart tells me to be a bigger person and do what needs to be done for the kids. It’s a shame!

R. Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm

Dear Confused,
I can assure you that my children will not be affected by this as far as the quality of education that I provide for them. Regardless of how I feel about the situation, I would never take it out on my students. They are not to blame. My political and personal feelings do not enter my classroom. I, as well as most educators, did not enter this profession for the money. We entered it for the sake and love of the children.

confused

July 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm

Kessler,
I believe what you have to say, but people being down about their job does affect job performance. Any slump in job performance in this state cannot be a good thing.

Bonita

July 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm

How stupid r u Nia, U could not have gotten your experience or career launched had it not been 4 a teacher duh!!!

Joe Wilson

July 22nd, 2009
12:20 pm

Perdue gave big tax cuts for his rich friends, rather than building a surplus to help finance the state on a rainy day. I have been a teacher for 29 years and will take my retirement rather than continue to teach in Georgia. Republicans want to destroy the public school system and help subsidize their wealthy donors private school tuition bills, but in the short term more parents will enroll in public schools. My friend lost his part time teaching job at a private school recently and many students from the affluent North Atlanta area will be attending public school this fall. Last fall we saw many students from private schools enroll in our middle school and expect a flood at registration in two weeks. Bush, Perdue, and other Republicans dismantled our economy over the last decade. Now they try to blame everything on Obama after just six months in office.

teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:20 pm

Purdue, are you going to take 3 days? I bet your salary for 3 days would help more than mine.

Torn Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:24 pm

http://www.mdjonline.com/content/index/showcontentitem/area/1/section/21/item/136932.html

This is a link to an article in the Marietta Daily Journal. School districts are allowed to cut in other ways. They do NOT have to furlough teachers. Contact your local district!

Georgia Boy

July 22nd, 2009
12:29 pm

Vernel, GO BACK TO NEW JERSEY!! Please!!!

Vernell

July 22nd, 2009
12:31 pm

Uh, who said I was Black? Please don’t ever insult me like that again. Another thing I hate about Georgia. You all ASSume everything is Black and White. Low lifes…

teacher

July 22nd, 2009
12:32 pm

I don’t understand why teachers seem to get all the attention when it comes to budget cuts. Teaching our youth should be one of our top priorities, not a constant complaint of who’s going to pay for their education. We are going to pay sooner or later.

Haliburton Billonare

July 22nd, 2009
12:33 pm

Every last one of you complaining teachers: SHUT UP THIS INSTANT about a furlough. Be lucky you have jobs. Thanks and good day.

Overworked and underpaid

July 22nd, 2009
12:40 pm

Abacus: Get married. You two will have a two person income!! Quit your whining.

teacherinaction

July 22nd, 2009
12:41 pm

Why don’t we “Furlough Test Scores” and “Your Child’s Eduaction” while we’re at it!? I always hear…teachers have it made!…summers off!…holiday this…holiday that!…I challenge Gov. Purdue to plan, teach, discipline any public school class in Georgia today! It is NOT worth any cuts (monetarily or resourcefully)!!! Call it what you will, teachers are already “Furloughed” seeing that we sacrifice the little bit of free time we manage to get! ADVERTISEMENT: Come volunteer to teach in a typical public school classroom (inner-city/low income, of course) for 15 minutes…and you’re guaranteed to come out Screaming!!!

confused

July 22nd, 2009
12:45 pm

i do find this said that a teacher with 20 years of experience and basic certification makes $45,033. I am just curious how many of us in the real world that have 4 year college degrees only make this much after 20 years. My brother has a lot less then 20 years and he makes twice that with a degree and my wife with a lot less then 20 makes about 15,000 more. imagine how much they would be complaining if the averages where like other jobs requiring at least a 4 yr degree.

Captain Obvious

July 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm

Marshal wrote:
“marshal

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm
Teachers are over paid and should have more students in classrooms, be more responsive to parents and boards of education should be made up of volunteers not paid salaries. Lots more to cut.

Keep cutting Gov, and state employees????? Way over paid with little productivity.”

It is apparant how well an education based on volunteers’ must work with the punction, capitalization and grammatical errors in this idiot’s comment.

emo

July 22nd, 2009
12:48 pm

Cutting the budget is only one part of the solution. This is a revenue problem; raise taxes. A temporary 1% sales tax would go a long way.

Gertrude

July 22nd, 2009
12:52 pm

As a state worker, I must agree that there are other ways to cut the budget. Many State workers are already on Food Stamps and get section 8 housing. Why should they suffer anymore? There are programs (look at Dekalb County)
That could be cut and cut back on that would help enormously. Some programs though Federally funded drain the State
Budget in a lot of areas. Changes should be made across the board befoe coming after the Food Stamp receipients.

Methos80

July 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm

This is the most ridicuolous load I have ever seen. Maybe some teacher somewhere (or a bunch) will challenge this under State contract law and Federal Constitutional Law. Not only is the State breaching or asking districts to breach employment contracts in a move that could, if a class action is initiated, cost much more in legal fees and damages than the state will save, but it’s violating the Federal Constitution. There’s a little thing called the Contracts Clause, which, under modern decisions, basically stops a State from retroactively (going into the past) changing its contractual obligations. In other words, the State can’t make a contract and then make a law to get out of the contract – which is what it is doing. So, to the extent these contracts are put forth by the State, funded by the State, or involve State action, it is very possible that Perdue is setting Georgia up for a battle under the Federal Constitution which could cost a lot of tax payer money. Moreover, he is showing is complete, total, and utter disregard for the rights and liberties guaranteed by our Federal Constitution.

Overworked and underpaid

July 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm

Hobson the math teacher: I made a comment also about Vernell playing the race card. I won’t stand for that. But your racial comment offends this “white” teacher. You are just as prejudice as this person and probably more. I suspect Vernell is a young black (maybe naieve) teacher who needs some real life experience to learn that our finance problems are in every state. You, my man, probably are not naieve. You are a bitter white man from the early segregation years and can’t move on. You still judge people by skin color. This white teacher prefers to hold my head up above yours and respect all races. Teaching brings out empathy for others or else we wouldn’t do it. Are you really a teacher? Teachers like you need to be found out before you do anymore damage to children.

Concerned

July 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm

Confused, I have a friend that works as a regulator for the state with a masters degree. After 18 years, he makes around $38k and has already taken furlough days this year and some last year. And like many teachers he works when he suppose to be off. Paper work on his own time, fielding questions from the businesses he regulates at all hours. Making special trips on the weekend if they have questions. Someone stated earlier that teachers have already taken it on the chin for the other state employees it is their turn. Well, alot of these other employees feel they have taken it on the chin as well. They have been dealing with no raises, hiring freezes and furlough’s for awhile now.

Steve

July 22nd, 2009
1:18 pm

In essence, teachers will take the furlough days during pre-planning. Most will be forced to come to work anyway because even with a full week of pre-planning, it takes overtime by most teachers to get ready for the entire school year.

Smart move Sonny, getting teachers to work for free. Not the way you want to start the school year, morale is going to be at an all time low.

confused

July 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm

concerned,
thank you for bring up your friend.

i know that teacher salaries have not taken a hit like the other areas, they have lost resources. when people talk about how much money schools get for resources think about the following. a friend of mine said there school received around 50,000 for resources. the school has around 1000 kids. this meant for art, technology, computers, band, pe, chorus, foreign language, special ed, math, language arts, science, social studies, paper for printers/copiers, toner for printers/copiers, office supplies, counselors, instructional technology specialist, gifted, teacher supplies. this means you have at least 19 hands asking for money. if you divided this money equally it would be 2700 for each group. i work in a small office with fewer people then his school and i know how expensive paper and toner alone runs, that we’d be screwed under those numbers. then we complain when we are asked to help out schools by donating money and good or taking part in fundraisers. i guess we are failing our state’s duty under the constitution to provide an education for our kids. looking at the constitution i see nothing about health care, trade incentives, other type of incentives being a duty of the state. since in a way a state constitution is the government’s contract with the people can we sue the state for violating its duty?

teacher

July 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm

I am a teacher who found out last week that we will not be getting our “Sonny Money” this year. This is not good for me, I use that money to buy school supplies because most parents do not send in enough supplies for the year or any at all. Today I found out via the AJC that I will have to be shorted 3 pay days. So now thats about $400 coming out of my pocket this year. Doesn’t seem like alot, but when you consider how much money we teachers spend on our students(and how much we make…it isnt much), it makes a huge difference.
Another point… why don’t they wait to use the furlough days for “bad weather” days. Two years ago we had to make up the time used by these days, now wouldn’t it make sence to cancell school on a crummy day…just a thought.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
1:29 pm

Dear DUH,
Apparently your children DO need public education because you have incorrectly used the conjugation “doesn’t” twice in your posts. It should be “And that is why my chidren DON’T go to public schools.” ***NOT*** “And that is why my children DOESN”T go to public schools.” Not to toot my own horn, but I have been in education for 10 years and you would be hard pressed to find a student or a parent who didn’t like me. If I were more sure of your mental stability, I would happily invite you to my classroom for you to see first hand. Please, just DON’T decide to home school your children!!!

Get over it

July 22nd, 2009
1:30 pm

To R. Kessler (teacher) : If my child was in your class I would request for him/her to be removed. You are a disgrace to the school system. You are suppose to be out there to help instead you talk down to everyone that misspell words or misplace words. Are you so prefect that you do nothing wrong? If you are disrespectful to people on here then I could imagine how those poor kids feel in your class rooms when you make fun of them. DUH: I agree with you, teachers need to be thankful for their jobs, take the furlough day and SHUT UP. May God have mercy on Georgia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Sonny.

July 22nd, 2009
1:32 pm

1. If furloughs a required, ALL state employees, especially higher paid ones, should be willing to make the same sacrifices they are asking of us. I have no problem sacrificing for the greater good, but as my grandmother always said, waste not want not. Cut the wasteful spending, and all budget problems will be reduced.
2. The current problems were not caused by Republican party ideology.
3. The current problems were not caused by Democratic party ideology.
4. The real cause of the ecoomic problems is too many people (in gov’t and out) looking out for an opportunity to take a buck from someone else’s pocket and put it in their own, regardless of the outcome. This works across party lines.
5. Anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid should get real. I do not know of any teacher that does not spend his/her own money to purchase items that help them meet YOUR child’s learning needs. We must also pay our money for continuing education classes to keep us up-to-date because the state requires it for us to keep our certification in order to be the best teachers we can be and meet EVERY child’s learning needs.
6. Many people go to work, work their hours and go home. Some even take work home, because the reward is higher pay or greater commissions. Educators go to work, take work home, work all summer- not for extra money, but to make sure we are able to meet EVERY child’s learning needs.

More to Come!

July 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm

All Teachers,

First I really feel for you. I have taught in the past( not easy dealing with these parents), and the lack of discipline that accompanies the low pay. However most of you went into teaching for the same reason I did years ago..to GIVE Back. I just realized sooner than most that being able to eat and live a better life style was better suited for me. But for those of you who stuck with it..Bless You.
But we are all in this economic mess together and no single person got us into it. We all spent more and lived lifestyles that were more than our means, just some used the system to get that never ending free lunch even as adults.

The teachers of this state ARE Government Employees. We as tax payers do pay the salaries and when expenditures and cost outnumber reciepts the results are Budget Cuts. No one is exempt…including teachers. I think if you guys do look closely enough that the Governor, Lt. Governor and all Directors in each Department except Education have already taken fulough days and made deeper cuts.. I know some of you will say that is not enough..however distribution of monies as well as cuts runs both ways.

Just remember that Teaching Job you have is NOT YOURS. It(the job) belongs to the taxpayers who fund that position.

Good Luck and I hope no other days are required. However the harshest of news will hit in September and October when the summer tax reciepts are due.

Deb

July 22nd, 2009
1:36 pm

This note is for Cynthia or others who read the info on Board of Regents salaries. That information is not to up date. I am listed, and I have not worked for the BOR since April due to deep budget cuts (more than 60% and more to come) in the state initiative I ran. I see at least one other name on the list that no longer works there. I do not speak for the Board of Regents, but I can tell you that the information is not up to date since budgets were trimmed.

confused

July 22nd, 2009
1:38 pm

Just feel the need to be cynical. I guess the stimulus bill failed. Thought our government promised the unemployment rate would not go above 8.5 it were passed into law. If that were true, would we be in this situation now.

Toot your horn

July 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm

Ms Dedicated Teacher, before you go correcting others please besure to proof-read your own.

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm

Guess this is why teachers (i.e. teacher caught behind restaurant “almost gettin it” with one of his students) are opting to sleeping with their students nowadays-they can’t afford to take a “real women” to a decent place!!!!

Just a little bit of humor for these rough times :) Its days like this that make me wish I had gone into politics…oh that’s right…..IM NOT AN EVIL, SELFISH AND GREEDY INDIVIDUAL…..SONNY HAS $$$$$$$$$$ ON HIS MIND.

And for the record……..Obama was dealt a hand of crap. He can’t please us all-HE IS DOING HIS BEST TO FIX THE #$!@ YOU REPUBLICANS MADE. I didn’t vote for Obama because he was BLACK and sure as hell didn’t vote for Sonny because he was WHITE-its about the person who is MOST QUALIFIED FOR THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS (IN THIS CASE, THE CHILDREN) Sonny an A$$ who will regret some of his decisions for the rest of his life….as I’m sure those of you who voted for him are doing today!!!! The guy earlier said it best…………………………………….THE COLOR OF HISTORY IS GREEN, NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

Sonny, now you got the white people “pickin cotton” too….WAY TO GO………what’s next???

esgerm teacher

July 22nd, 2009
1:47 pm

i sent a comment. guess if i’m not bitching and complaing it won’t be published. I am tired of of the crap i have read. state emplyoees not teachers need to be fouloughed for 73 days. This will put them on the say pay grade as teachers then let’s see what happens. How much is Perdue and the legislators taking as a pay cut? Haven’t heard from them. If you don’t like living here leave. Don’t blame either political party individually blame them both the first thing on the chopping bloke is education. Then when our kids can’t compete th first people you blame are the teachers. In other countries the schools do not have the sports. Children have to find sports clubs afterschool to take care of that need. Lets really look at the budget. Sports programs shhould not be part of the school sytem budget. In other areas of the cuntry( not California) sports programs have to be funded just by the goodness of the community. I haven’t heard a yea vote for this yet! Why? It is really simple, it is big business. As for the illegal students in Dekalb and Gwinette stop blaming them, they didn”t cause this problem. The legal citizens did.
Some fool said that all school that didn’t make ayp served free breakfast. Look up your facts. Free breakfast and lunch is based on te economics of each individual families needs and is a federally funded system. By the way every single cent in Deklab County has to be accounted for, can the federal and state government say the same.

Not only am I a teacher, I am also a single mother. I go to school several days early, with out pay and as my daughter can testfy, I am often there until 6- 8pm monday-friday . By the way I don’t get paid after 4pm. I also have to have internet access from home to be able to keep up with all the work. By the way I have to pay for this out of pocket and get no refund on my tax return.

I am certified in German , Gifted, ESOL and Middle School Language Arts. This summer I have attended 3 classes with out pay that amounted to 50 hours, before school starts, I will have added another 20 hours to the grande total of 70. I didn’t go to MIT or Tech but I believe that is more that the required 3 days with out pay.In fact I have already put in my 3 days but yeat I am going to be required by the baffoon, oops I ment Perdue to take another 3 days. Teachers have a right to get angry, To the general public, teachers are those who can’t do anything else, if it is such a cush job why are there so many teachers needed? For those who send there kids to private schools get off the chat you should have no say so in what happens to public teachers.
some of you need to grow up and get a life.

confused

July 22nd, 2009
1:50 pm

from the amount of respect i see on this blog makes me understand why i “see” SO much respect coming from today’s youth. Guess if adults don’t recognize what one should respectful why should kids. guess its why we recognize and idolize people who get divorced more times then we count (ET) , people who waste money on partying and other stuff (LL), and people who put themselves above everyone else (AI).

confused

July 22nd, 2009
1:52 pm

oh and i forgot idolizing and supporting singers singing about how good it is to sleep around, do illicit things, and disrespect others.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
1:54 pm

Get Over It – I am most certain that R. Kessler would graciously thank you for removing your child from their class. I know I would, but that wouldn’t do your child any good because it seems as though your child would be luck to be in that class. Children can’t help who they are born to and R.Kessler appears to understand this. It’s too bad you don’t. You and DUH bring up very valid points as to why education is sooooo important. With education brings awareness, and the two of you desperately need it. I challange you to offer up your time to a Title I school and see how long you last. It’s not for the faint of heart. I am on going on my fifth year and LOVE it.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
2:02 pm

**Hey, Toot Your Horn**

“Dear Dedicated Teacher,

Before you go correcting others, please be sure to proof-read your own.”

I think that you should take your own advice. This is how it should read! I had a type-o, not an incorrect use of grammar. Mind your own business.

GA Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
2:06 pm

After reading this article, I checked my school’s mail to see if we were being notified of any additional furloughs. I found none so far, however, we are being asked to come in to do all of our prep and planning for the school year on our own time this summer because the pre-planning week is too full of meetings. Then I read that the administrators are meeting with an “architect this summer to develop a plan to upgrade all classrooms to the level of newer middle schools in the county. We have proposed new teacher desks for every classroom; remove and replace all current white boards with new magnetic ones; equip all classrooms with flat-screen tv’s; equip all classrooms with additional computer drops and electrical outlets; and provide Promethean boards for every classroom.” I don’t think it is the time or place to be making these kinds of expensive upgrades while simultaneously telling teachers to work for no pay.

Enuff is Enuff

July 22nd, 2009
2:08 pm

Has anyone thought the solution to our problem is sending all of the illegal aliens back home? Or make them accountable if they are going to stay here.

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
2:13 pm

Let’s see….here it is time for Georgia parents to send their precious angels babies back to school and so many of you have the guts to “rip teachers a new one”…….would you say the things you are saying to your dentist prior to a root canal? How about telling your surgeon they are paid way too much to do nothing as you are being wheeled into the operating room? Better yet, how about chew out the restaurant cook when you order you meal….hope you like spit in your food or worse…..HA! It’s obvious you don’t have much regard for educators(public or private) so how much sense does it make to send your loving children into the hands of such “low lives” you make them out to be?……That doesn’t say much for your ability to parent…..I say let’s become the first ALL home schooling state. It would be cutting edge! Apparently our education status would blow the roof off the rest of the nation since parents know how to educate children way better than the professionals do…..guess you can do root canals and invasive surgery much better too….good luck with that!

stateworker2

July 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm

My questions is… When are the elected officials going to pay their back taxes? Some of our elected officials owe thousands of dollars as seen in reports on the news this past session then all of a sudden it got real quiet. No one has asked about that anymore and wouldn’t their taxes put money back into the state which is in such dire need? Also, I haven’t heard Gov. Perdue talking about moving out of that mansion he is sitting in on tax payers money and having us foot the monthly bills… also University Presidents… I think they should cut their own grass and pay for their own cars, utilities, groceries, etc. Hey, wouldn’t it be nice to be on the state payroll and paid at least $50k to be married to the President of a University? All you have to do is be married to them and host parties. Seems simple enough. Making more than me after 17 1/2 years with the state.

But all in all, I guess we should all be happy to still have a job. I just wonder where all the money went and why our Governor is pushing for programs like Go Fish when the state is almost out of money… down to our last $35 million in reserves as the news reported last night.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
2:17 pm

GA Teacher – OMG!!! This is definitely disheartening to hear. If I didn’t love my job and my students so much, I would certainly be looking for another profession. I am glad that I don’t work in your county! No offense!

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
2:21 pm

hmmmm????? AMEN!!! I don’t think anyone could have said that better. THANK YOU!

Georgia Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm

I worry that we are beginning to see some of the same problems, concerns, and trends in the public sector that we have witnessed over the years in the private sector. This problem being: Those who are in the trenches doing the real work are paid on one level and those who are the so called leaders/administrators are being paid on another and one that is at a much higher salary level. The gap in teacher/staff salaries and administrator salaries in public education is widening at an alarming rate. Go back and look at salaries from 20 years ago. Administrators earned salaries that were marginally higher than teachers at the same experience level. Those salaries have increased at a much greater percentage over the years than have teacher’s salaries. We witnessed this same trend in the private sector which seemed to have begun during the mid 1970s. I became aware of it as a young man when Michael Eisner started earning an appalling salary at Disney. Basically, the wealth is being spread at the top. We have all witnessed the outrage of executive salaries and perks in the private sector since the beginnings of the stimulus packages this past fall. The same thing is happening in government positions.

Teaching occurs in the classroom. It does not occur in the cafeteria, the hallways, the Professional Learning Community Meetings, the State Department of Education, etc. The best money spent in education is money that is spent on putting good teachers in classrooms (and most teachers are truly good ones that honestly have their heart in what they are doing – there are the exceptions). In every school system in which I have been employed, I have witnessed administrative positions being created that affords some system employee a very significant salary, but for what service? This person’s salary would cover the costs of two teachers in many cases.

Another point. Look at the statistics regarding the longevity of current principals and superintendents; you will see that the average tenurne in any one position is short. However, it is like once you join the fraternity of the “school leader,” you are a member of the club. You will be taken care of by your peers. No matter how ineffective you are in one position, you will be given a job by another in the “network” and usually at a higher salary. I assure you that these individuals are not taking new jobs for less money! They go to a school system for a higher salary and often the first thing they do is to begin to cut the salaries of those that have been in that system for years. It’s happening.

Teaching is a very strange job. One day you finish college and you become a teacher. Your only option in education is to become an administrator/educational leader if you wish to remain in education and leave the classroom. We find ourselves doing the same job 25-30 years later that we did on the first day we started working. Without question, we are better at it. Even so, I know that there are some school systems that are now considering their experienced teachers a liability rather than an asset (if the system’s actions and attitudes are an indication) becasue they have to pay more experienced/educated teachers higher salaries, but are these same highly paid school leaders a liability??? Like some of the executives of the failed corporations stated, does their leadership just keep them from failing worse than they are? Honestly, I don’t think schools themselves are failing. It is society in general. Teachers teach the students that report to their classrooms – they don’t get to pick the students they want to teach. Some students are better students and some are what I call “won’t do” students rather than “can’t do” students (We have a lot of won’t do students in schools right now.). I know first hand that the socioeconomics of and the value that a community and parents place upon education are the most important factors to a school’s success or failure.

If we are truly dedicated teachers and wish to remain a teacher, our opportunity for advancement is extremely limited. We are not doing any less of a job than the administrators/leaders we work for, we are just doing different but equally important jobs within the educational organization. In most instances, these leaders are no smarter or in reality skillful. The truth… Some of the strongest leaders in any school are the experienced teachers who nurture and guide the less experienced teachers. They are also generally the ones that are most effective in dealing with students.

I know that the private sector is different. Often times you do have longer term contracts and agreements. Any agreements that a teacher makes when accepting a position in a school system is only good for as long as the person he or she made the hand shake agreement with is in the leadership position. Those agreements don’t have to be recognized or honored by the next school leader and they are never written into any contracts, but at least we do get contracts that guarantee employment for a year at the time.

We are without question a highly educated profession. Salaries therefore, should be kept in check and in balance. The salaries should be equitible for both the taxpayer and the educator. When I read Cynthia’s two posts showing the salaries of some of the educational leaders in the university system, I was again appalled. I try not to think about it often because it is upsetting to realize how the “fraternity” works. However, the same trend can be observed in the public schools of Georgia. I encourage you to scroll down and read Cynthia’s post and look at the website she posted.

BTW… Me…I am very fortunate. I work in a school system where salaries are fairly balanced. Our principals and leaders earn good salaries, but not anything like some that I see where the school leaders are making $100,000.00 more than the highest paid teachers in their schools. There are systems as well that pay their superintendents salaries that are in line with those of the Board of Regents… $250,000.00 – #385,000.00 (These salaries are published at the site Cynthia mentions in her post.).

Also, my superintendent announced yesterday, that our teachers will not be furloughed. Why…because she is truly a humanistic educator as well as an outstanding superintendent. She was a wonderful teacher before becoming a great principal, and now a strong superintendent. She made sure that our school system had reserves for a rainey day. She is an exceptional educational leader, and her salary is very reasonable. She personally informs her teachers. For the record, I teach in a very poor rural community. It just goes to show what good school leaders can do. Although I am a teacher, I currently hold a doctrate in leadership (not school administration).

Final though… Do we really need as many leaders as we seem to employ in schools? They are without question high cost employees. When I attended school as a child, my elementary and seventh grade school had “a” principal (no assistants, etc.). When I reached Jr. High, we had a principal, an assistant principal, and a counselor. At my high school, there were two assistant principals and two counselors for 1800 students. We managed. Teachers were “in charge” in their classrooms. They disciplined their students. They did not have to depend on administrators to discipline for them (we didn’t have expensive programs such as ISS and alternative school – we had the hallway), but my teacher’s hands were not tied as are ours today in dealing with students and educational matters. I have taught for over 25 years and to be honest, I am not sure what my authority is. It is never clearly stated and it changes every time we get a new administrator. I just assume I have responsibilities. Maybe it is to some degree time to allow history repeat itself in that respect. Put the resources in the classrooms with the students. Put all of the wonderful state department experts back in classrooms. Give the teachers the authority and the responsibility to make decisions and run their classrooms. Regardless, fat should be cut from education. It needs to be both efficient and effective not just one or the other.

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
2:33 pm

Enuff is Enuff- “Has anyone thought the solution to our problem is sending all of the illegal aliens back home? Or make them accountable if they are going to stay here.”

That’s a low blow. Legal and illegal aliens have given more to the State of Georgia than Sonny has in the past 10 years. Every kid, REGARDLESS OF RACE OR BACKGROUND, deserves a decent shot at life through PROPER EDUCATION. To me, your solution has no basis except “Moving the Mexicans”-that’s wrong on every aspect!!!
EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO LIFE-When are people (POLITICIANS) going to realize this??? TV and IGNORANCE is overcoming our children. Makes me wonder why have kids……….

Can anyone recommend a good school for toddlers (2-3 yrs. old)……my child’s teacher sucks (her ATTITUDE)…oh yeah, maybe it’s because she UNDERPAID!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn’t people congregate on the steps of the capital to pray for rain? Why not go to Sonny’s house (and Kathy Cox too), stand on their steps and pray for raises…….I sure as hell could use one!!!

R Kessler (teacher)

July 22nd, 2009
2:41 pm

To get over it
You probably would try to have your child removed from my classroom. I feel sorry for your child. The students in my classroom learn. I am there at 7:15 in the morning tutoring children who are having a hard time grasping a math concept. I am often there as late as it takes tutoring children (some who are not even my assigned students). You remind me of a parent of a student I once had who when offered tutoring for his child who was having trouble, stated “well I don’t understand it myself. I just tell my child try your best and sooner or later you will get it” No, I am not easy on my students. I do not accept the word “can’t” in my classroom. You may not know how now, but you will. Failure and giving up is not an option in my class. I’m not there to win a popularity contest. I’m there to teach math. Those who complain about it are usually the proudest when they don’t have to go to summer school to try to get promoted to the 9th grade. But you probably would be the parent who complains that I am too hard on them.

Enuff is Enuff

July 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm

ATLPeach,
I said nothing about “moving the Mexicans” all I ask is that they pay taxes the way the rest of us do and are not given money to get started. If they want to stay in our country and receive benefits (ie: education, medical, etc.) then pay for it. Explain to me exactly what you believe the illegals have given to this country.

EX-GTA employee

July 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm

Well I know I would have been really happy to take a 3 day furlough, but instead I have be given a permanent everyday furlough after over 20 years of faithfull service with GTA. It also seems like that the select few left with GTA got new job titles along with nice raises. Seems I recall Sonny awarding a outsourcing contract to AT&T and IBm for about the same amount as the above mentioned deficit. What was that that Barry’s preacher said? “The chickens have come home to roost!”

Mark Strazynski

July 22nd, 2009
3:01 pm

What this country needs is more unemployed politicians!
I agree that the governors, senators, congressmen and the like should lead by example. The people who deserve more pay are the teachers, policemen, etc. It’s a shame that our teachers making such a pittance of the salary. Even the PhDs teaching at the university level making $40 – 100K while the politicians with all their perks are…. You know what I’m talking about.

Jim Wilson

July 22nd, 2009
3:07 pm

My wife is a teacher of almost 20 years. While this hurts financially, it does not hurt as bad a laying off 3% of the teachers. This is the best way to go and everyone should get on board AS LONG AS all the county level education system employees including top level employees take a 3 day furlough as well. Share the pain is my belief for everyone so lets stop whining about this and realize that something has to be done to balance the budget besides raise taxes.

stateworker2

July 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm

After reading some of the comments from the teachers. You say that your at work at 7:15 until late at night and then carry work home. Well we all have to do what our jobs require and you accepted that as your job responsibility when you took the job. However, if you look at the calendar you only work about six out of twelve months a year too. With all of the teacher planning days, spring break week, fall break week, two or three weeks at Christmas, a week at Thanksgiving and three months off during the summer… consider yourself lucky to have such a high salary (which if you look up SALARIED PERSONNEL it states that you work more than a 40 hour work week because you are compensated through your salary for more than 40 hours). Try being a state employee who only gets 12 paid holidays. I work at a University. As state employees, we only get off 12 paid holidays no spring break, no fall break, only two days at Thanksgiving, WE WORK CHRISTMAS EVE until 5 and only off four to five days depending on how the calendar falls and we don”t have at least one day off a month as a “planning day”… and we surely don’t sit at home three months during the summer. So when you say to other state employees that your over worked and under paid.. look at it from our perspective. We have NOT gotten a guaranteed 4% raise the last three years and if we get any raise it hasn’t been on July 1 for me try six months into the fiscal year and get it in January, half way through the new fiscal year. OH, also try being 2 1/2 years behind on pay raises. The small raise I got this past January was for my merit based raise for fiscal year 2007. Teachers have always gotten theirs on July 1. Theirs too should be based on merit, if a percentage of the students in your calls don’t pass you don’t get 4% base it on merit. You also have gotten $100 free from our Governor but not one PARENT has gotten anything from the Governor to buy all those supplies you all list for your kids to have in your classroom. Could you not have used that $100 gift card to purchase things you needed on that list? I’ve seen them.. paper towels, candy, extra paper, pencils for those who can’t afford them. That is what the $100 should be used for. I have had to under go a federal back ground check and a PERSONAL credit check in order to get a purchasing card but the gift cards could be spent on anything. Nothing was ever accounted for no receipts turned in on how the money was used and if it was used on school supplies. I just wonder how many millions it has cost the tax payers of Georgia over the last 3 years to give all teachers in the state a $100 gift card free to use. And for those who think that the starting pay is low for teachers, try having worked for the state 17.5 years and someone is hired in the same position you are in and they are paid higher. Teachers make more than a lot of state employees who have dedicated their lives to the state. We have also picked up and paid for your insurance when you had no increases (mine jumped that year 14.9% and close to that every year after). I also have to pay to park my vehicle on campus to work for eight hours ($40 a month), how much do you all have to pay to park? Tax payers money paid for that parking lot.. why not pay to use it? And have you ever stopped to think, when you were in college getting your education, did the University run itself or were there not dedicated personnel there to assist you? We work hard, long hours and carry work home too just a different level of students.

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
3:15 pm

Dedicated Teacher……thanks for your support! Obviously, you get it! We are in one of the few professions that has an open door policy. Parents can walk in any time they like and observe us teaching and see their kids learning. They feel like they can conference with us in the hallway on the way to lunch, catch us at recess to discuss their child’s progress, walk in and interrupt a lesson to drop off little Johnnie’s ice cream money that he forgot, and drop in at 5:00 (as I’m walking out the door even though school was out at 3:15) for an unscheduled visit (since I’m doing nothing…HA)….Do they drop in on their gynocologist to observe the work being done? Do they pull up a chair at the bank to see what is going on? Do they conference with the dentist to have their child placed in the “gifted” tooth program because they have no cavities? I would so love to show up at their front door one day and say, ” Hi, I know you weren’t expecting me. However, I am here to observe you being a parent.” I bet that home observation would explain why little Johnnie has so many issues in school! But that is ok….because that only makes me be a better parent to Johnnie when he is in school with me all day….if his parents did their job correctly at home, then educating him would be a breeze.

Dee

July 22nd, 2009
3:16 pm

This is a direct result of the last 8yrs not the last 7 months – dummies. You better be wishing the hope and change will help you keep your job! Quit complaining and starting praying that you will keep your job with the negative attitude you have.

gaseaslover

July 22nd, 2009
3:18 pm

I find it astonishing that the Georgia Stimulus website states that $2.3 billion dollars have been received/accepted from the Federal Government FOR EDUCATION. However, the FEDERAL Stimulus website says that $2.6 Billion dollars have been targeted for Georgia FOR EDUCATION. So Sonny – what are you doing with the missing $300 MILLION dollars? It seems to me that teachers should not need to take furloughs – THE MONEY IS THERE – but we don’t know where – only Sonny knows. Hmmmm…typical top-down economics – I’m sure it’s hidden somewhere. How sad that our Governor has been granted dictatorship powers to make these decisions that affect over 1.6 million students without consulting our elected officials. And I agree with others – wouldn’t it be nice if our state legislators and governor took furlough days without pay or did not receive an increase in their already inflated salaries for the minimal work that they do. Lead by example Sonny!! This is pretty much the worst state (okay – second worst – California wins) for education…..if you think you want to be a teacher – don’t do it in Georgia! Sonny has not held a SINGLE promise to public education in this state….of course he doesn’t have to worry about being re-elected either…true colors have been shown and they are anti-education.

ATLpeach

July 22nd, 2009
3:21 pm

My point is that the reason for furloughs HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS. Sure, all people living anywhere should pay taxes-the problem has to do with other certain types of individuals (i.e. CROOKED SELFISH POLITICIANS) who don’t “SEE” the potential effects of the decisions they are making. If the government wanted to stop “illegals” from having access to certain benefits they would. Hell, I don’t like being picked over for an opportunity or benefits more than the next, but WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET CRISIS. How you misappropriate funds and give $ to those who really don’t do any work in the STATE GOVERNMENT are some of the ROOT CAUSES-not the aliens. You’re playing baseball in left field.
What has being a citizen ever gotten anyone of minority background???Oops…can’t think of anything except Affirmative Action (and I believe they took that away too!). All illegal aliens are not rapist and murderers…they are hard-working individuals that do the jobs people like us may not be so willing to do-I know because I have worked with them before. Some of them are no different than us. That crap about being a “legal citizen of the USA” is a bunch of crap. Like one person stated earlier……how is it that when the GOVERNMENT gets in trouble, they are able to make NEW LAWS to cushion they A$$. They don’t give a rats tails about the citizens of the country nor do they care ABOUT OUR KIDS!

No offense to you but that’s not the immediate solution to the problem at hand.

Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm

As for breach of contract, and both sides have to agree, unfortunately, I’m being told we are out of luck on that count. I agree it would be a breach of contract. However, since Georgia is a right to work state, there is absolutely no protection against the whims of our elected officials.

sp teacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:28 pm

I plan on going in and doing what I know that has to be done, furlough or no furlough. My students deserve that and more. I truly wish we had a checks and balances system to keeps EVERYONE in check and cut the double dipping and wasting of tax payers money. I’ll suck it up, no choice. Am I going to whine? What is that going to do? We need to get out and vote and stay active if we are ever going to make a change at our state level. And bless the other professions that are taking major hits; police, firefighters, state workers, etc.

School worker

July 22nd, 2009
3:36 pm

I work in food service for a local school system. I have already been told my hours will probably be cut. They will be taking away my 2% raise that was given to all employees last year. They are holding back my yearly step increase for 6 months. now im assuming we will have those 3 furlogh days too. I do not make close to a teachers salary. Am I happy about all this? No! But i do still have a job when alot of people around the country dont. i think everyone needs to stop whining about EVERYTHING and we all just have to do what we have to do until things get better…and someday they will.

thankateacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:38 pm

To anyone that thinks public school teachers are overpaid babysitters, I challenge you to become a school teacher and teach in Atlanta city. Seriously.

School worker

July 22nd, 2009
3:42 pm

thankateacher: Thanks for all you do. I think no matter what school system you work in you all do a great job. thanks for the hard work with our children!

Gwinnett Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:43 pm

Work to rule is the answer. If all teachers followed that policy then administrators, parents and the community would understand the “extras” that we do outside of contract hours.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:43 pm

Hmmm???? – I think that I have a plausible solution….Let’s get parents to volunteer, not be a paid sub, in our classrooms for three days. They could teach the children with our prepared lesson plans and we could “Go Fishin’!!!” or march on the Capitol. I am sure that most of the teacher bashing idiots on here would have a HUGE change of heart! I bet they wouldn’t last three days and I am not the betting type. I would most certainly have to hide a camera. Can you imagine?

Joseph Allison

July 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm

Enter your comments here

@stateworker2

July 22nd, 2009
3:48 pm

You were clearly misled on how the “Sonny money” gift cards worked if you believe that “the gift cards could be spent on anything.” We got a letter, along with the card, that told us what we could and couldn’t spend the money on. The first year we were more restricted than the second as to what stores we could shop in and what days we could use the card – the first year it could only be used during the sales tax holiday – the second it could only be used for about 10 days. No receipts were required because it was used like a credit card – automatically generating a paper trail of when and on what the money was spent. Every card was issued in a teacher’s name, making it easy to track down if needed. The whole idea of the card was to reduce the out of pocket expenses most teachers spend on their classroom, and not to reduce the cost of supplies that parents should be expected to provide.

I’d like to know where you got the info about teachers having 4% raises every year on July 1st – that’s simply not true – some have received limited raises in the past few years, but not 4%, at least not in my county. Remember – teachers are not solely paid by state money – we are also paid by federal and local funding, which makes the situation much more complicated. We are also paid a salary based on a contract of a certain number of days. Our breaks are not paid. You also have to consider that with a 4 year degree most teachers could go elsewhere and make significantly more money – unfortunately, for some strange reason, they like to or are called to teach.

You’re also seriously mistaken if you think teachers “sit around for 3 months” in the summer. My county averages about 8 weeks for the teachers, during which the majority of us continues to do some kind of work – summer school, summer jobs, training, graduate programs, tutoring – even just reading up and planning for the following year. I’ve been up to my school about once a week since the summer started.

I’m sorry you’re so upset about your working conditions, but I’ll give you the same pithy advice everyone likes to give teachers when we “whine” about our jobs…it’s your choice – if you don’t like it, go find something else. As far as your pay goes, I’ll give you the same comments that the trolls are dishing out here: “Be happy you have a job.”

To the trolls – most of the comments I’ve read from teacher are on the lines of “better a furlough than no job” – how is it that you are not reading these comments and then persist in telling teachers to stop whining? If I were working a private sector job, I would feel exactly the same – happy to have a job, but dismayed at the pay cut – are you asking teachers to not have the same feelings as other human beings simply because they teach? That’s pretty stupid, IMHO.

HAGD.

Methos80

July 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm

Teacher: as for the “right to work” state issues, it depends. A lot of teacher contracts I’ve seen guarantee a “190 day” work period (or some specific number of work days) that’s paid for, and state the pay scale to be used. If that’s the case, then that individual is on a contract, and whether Georgia is a right to work state or not, the contract would control and normally could not be modified except as provided by law or the contract itself.

The real contractual issue here is that a lot of teachers signed contracts for a specific pay period or number of work days at a specific pay scale. So, there’s a basic breach of contract issue there. Even in so-called “right to work” states, (aka “employment at will”). But, the contract itself controls, and since contracts can vary from district to district, this may also vary, and could in fact be a sticky situation for some districts.

There is also the constitutional issue. No State can make a law that absolves itself from contractual obligations except in very limited circumstances, and those circumstances do not appear to be present here. Although, admittedly, contract clause issues are not clear as day since the clause isn’t used very often anymore.

It is really important to realize that this is different than many state employees. Most do not have specific employment contracts for specific periods of time. Those employees would be, in most circumstances, “at-will” and subject to dismisssal. There are many reasons that teachers have contracts. One of these is competition with other states and professions. Many states have teacher contracts, and in fact some allow teachers to unionize. (To be clear – I’m not stating an opinion on whether teachers should unionize, just that it’s a fact that in some states, they do). Also, when educated individuals are choosing a profession, one of the factors they may consider is job security. So, as a result of these and many balancing factors, the State of Georgia and local districts have decided that in order to compete in the marketplace, they give educators employment contracts.

What the State, and the Governor, by this action are trying to do, in my opinion, is to essentially rewrite the employment contracts. This should really concern people a lot more than they realize. Here is government putting itself above the law – saying that in this case, the law is bad for us and forces us to make some bad decisions, so we’re just going to change it and ignore the established law of the land and our obligations. The bet that the State is probably taking is that three days isn’t enough for a teacher to start a stink over (and at least perceptually risk non-renewal of the one-year employment contract), and that a class action lawsuit probably won’t result. And the State may be right. But, that doesn’t make it valid, legal, or proper.

There are also the policy issues as well, and those have been discussed a lot of here. But, in any case, it doesn’t make good sense to cut education, in my opinion. And, in doing it this way, the government may be running dangerously close to ignoring state contract law, and violating the federal constitution.

Corporate Manager

July 22nd, 2009
3:53 pm

Teachers need to suck it up—they’ve got an easy job compared to working 50 hours a week on budgets, financial reports, etc. like we do. Plus, last week we had to lay off 2 employees! Teachers get summers off, holidays, etc. We only get 2 weeks per year vacation!

Joseph Allison

July 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm

Computer Glitch.

In Southeast Farm Press, two years ago, a cattle rancher wrote an article, and what he said, and I quote:
“We are watching two trains in a head on run, and all we can do is watch, because we are on the train.”

I am referring to the last statement made by Governor Purdue, I think he read the same article, and I know he is a Farm Veterinarian, but I don’t know if he specializes in Bovine Agriculture.

Just thank your God we are not in Las Vegas, where Lake Mead is almost dry, and Lake Powell is dry. There isn’t any water for the produce fields of Southern California this year…

Payback

July 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm

TO Sarah Thank you

bendover n takeit

July 22nd, 2009
3:57 pm

I’m with you Stateworker2. I’m sick of all this whinning from teachers for being furloughed for three days. I’m getting furloughed up until next June at least and have been informed it might go to two days a month before then. Why is such a crime that teachers get furloughed, when thousands of state employees are already getting time off without pay, and that seems to be okay just as long as is isn’t a teacher. Do you work any harder than we do? I think not, and we sure as hell don’t get the time off you do. You got a raise this year. We didn’t and Sonny is making us pay more for our insurance, which will be another pay cut. I’m sorry that your pay is going to be cut. But I’ll assure you that teachers will have to suffer less of this than the rest of us who work for the state. I wouldn’t doubt that state workers get furloughed an extra day a month just so you can draw your full salary, while we continue to suffer. And BTW Sonny just reminded me of an old proverb: GIVE A MAN A FISH AND HE’LL EAT FOR A DAY, TEACH A MAN TO FISH GEORGIA AND HE’LL EAT A LIFETIME. And I’ll have to go fish, because I sure as HELL can’t afford to buy one!!!!!!!!!!

School worker

July 22nd, 2009
4:01 pm

I WAS NOT telling the teachers to stop whining. If YOU read all the comments then you would have read my other comment a couple below the first thanking a teacher and all teachers for what a good job they do. There is always that 1% I suppose. Geez.

Gwinnett Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
4:03 pm

Corporate Manager –

We don’t get paid for the summer vacations. We are contracted and paid to work 190 days. The pay we earn for our work is pro-rated over the entire year to make it easier to manage.

I’m sorry you had to lay off employees. I’m not complaining about the furloughs. I understand that the economy is bad and everyone needs to do their part.

However, I do believe that teachers in Georgia who have taken pay cuts and faced increasing costs of health insurance should not continue to do all of the “extras” that we have done for years. Maybe then people like some of those who have replied here would have more respect and understanding for what we have done in the past.

I’m tired of people complaining about the job that we do for the children of this state.

Veteran teacher

July 22nd, 2009
4:05 pm

I don’t think any school teacher is not willing to “do their part” in this recession. We have always done our part. We dip into our own financial resources to make our classrooms as welcoming a learning environment as we possibly can. We spend weekends and nights working on lesson plans, grading papers, and attending staff development classes. These, among many other examples, are a routine part of being a teacher. None of us are not going to eat because of three furlough days. HOWEVER, the big issue is that each of us KNOWS what it takes to get the job done and will continue to do it, even though we will technically not be “paid” for the three days. I have already spent two days at a new school getting my room ready so I could concentrate on preparing to teach next week. I chose to do this. Many teachers, including my spouse, are saying that they will go to work on furlough days anyway because they need the time to work. HOWEVER, I choose NOT to go to work on days I am told I don’t need to be there.

@bend over and take it

July 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm

We didn’t get a raise this year – in my county, we got a pay cut…what on earth are you state workers all talking about with this raise nonsense? Teachers are not paid with solely state money, either – we are also paid with federal and local money – it’s not the same. WE are contracted for a certain number of days, and 180 of those are state-mandated. Just recently people were talking about how we need to lengthen the school year, not shorten it – and some of you people would be so up in arms if you had to find day care for your lil’ darlin’s while school was furloughed.

You need to stop whining and suck it up – you should be happy you have a job.

And I’ll say the same to you, too, “Corporate Manager” – at least you have a 50 hour a week job to complain about. If teachers have it so great, why don’t you leave that stressful job working with those nasty budgets and become a teacher – after all, they get summers off – not just 2 measly weeks. Quit complaining and do something about your life.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
4:09 pm

Dear Corporate Manager,

Willing to trade jobs with a teacher for a week? I dare you!!! Do you even have any children in PUBLIC schools?

thankateacher

July 22nd, 2009
4:17 pm

Corporate Manager: Please see my previous post. I would love to see you work in an Atlanta city school. If those teachers have it so good, why are you not teaching? If it is such a golden profession, why are more people not getting into that field?

zincc

July 22nd, 2009
4:20 pm

I’m already taking a 4.5% paycut, now I’m going to give 3 days back without pay, I’m being asked to pay more for my insurance, AND you tell me that I have to continue to PAY for more education so that I can maintain my certificate if I want to teach…………..hmmmmmm do I want to do that? I’m beginning to think now is the time to retire!

Aaron Gould Sheinin

July 22nd, 2009
4:27 pm

Everyone, thanks very much for the comments. I’ve been enjoying your discussion — well, most of it. Some of it has been a bit over the line, but mostly it’s been illustrative. One thing I meant to include in the original story, and which has gotten a lot of discussion here is that the governor said yesterday he and his staff will take the furlough days and whatever cuts are necessary. State House employees just left a meeting where they were told they, too, were taking the furloughs and will prepare for more cuts. The Senate said late yesterday they would do the same.

Most of you aren't getting it

July 22nd, 2009
4:28 pm

What MOST of you don’t understand is that this is 3 free days of fun in the sun for teachers. The proposal is that teacher still must work on those days and still not get paid. How much energy saving cost is it and since there are no kids there why are we being asked to work without pay.

Raise your hands if you want to go to work for 3 days and not get paid.

Disgusted

July 22nd, 2009
4:30 pm

I am a long term state employee who just heard that my division would be furloughing on the front line level, the ones who actually do the work load, and maybe facing some job lay offs. Then I hear about the teacher’s situation. I know that everyone has to bite the bullet in tough economic times, but we still have to make enough money to pay the basic bills and eat. I can’t remember the last time we had a pay raise, and have been paying for our own work supplies for the past year or so. I look at some of the stupid waste of dollars our state government has made over the years, like someone’s fishing pond and golf course, and just cringe with anger that yet again the working people have to suffer for our leader’s moral pitfalls. Let’s start cleaning house at the top down in government and see what our remaining and new fiscal year(s) look like.

Most of you aren't getting it

July 22nd, 2009
4:31 pm

BTW – to dispel the notion that teachers get paid for not working over the summer… for all you people that consider yourselves “educated” on this subject, you are not. They provide a yearly salary for teachers and most counties see fit to divide the money by 12 and not 10. So while teachers are 10 month employees the money doesn’t change.

Single mom

July 22nd, 2009
4:38 pm

Just FYI, all 3 furlough days will have to be taken before December. After December, we will have more furlough days. This has been confirmed. Also, look for teacher lay offs for the 2010 year. It is going to get worse unless someone speak all up. This isn’t all about teachers, this is about the children who will suffer. There are already increased class sizes and now one teacher will be expected to teach more students to excellence. Oh well, don’t come to me at the end of the year and ask me why my students didn’t do well on the CRCT. As far as parents go, you expect the school to pay for all of your child’s supplies but guess what, if they do not have money to pay teachers, they do not have the money to supply your babies with supplies. DUH!

Joseph Allison

July 22nd, 2009
4:42 pm

Having read every blog on this thread, the obvious fact surfaces.

Georgia is an Agricultural State, it always has been.

The blogs are all “here and now”, “we immediately demand __________”, and absolutely not the first writer here is cognizant of the fact that it will be, not this Fall Harvest, but the next Fall Harvest, before there is any improvement in the Southern Economy: IF THAT EARLY.

The rains came back only a month ago, from a nearlessly rainfree three years or better.

The Banks DO NOT HAVE the money to lend Farmers for seed, fertilizer, calves (from wherever they can be found), and/or major equipment repairs.

AND THAT’S TO FARMERS THAT HAD THE SKILLS AND ABILITIES TO SURVIVE THE DROUGHT!

No wonder Johnny or Jane can’t think, if all these entries are examples of State Teachers and their understandings of current events.

Is there anybody with a comprehensive understanding of just how dire this State’s economy is in? Hell-o to anybody left down there in Southern Georgia: let’s hear from you; Eastman, you could really set the stage on all this!

Oh, great

July 22nd, 2009
4:51 pm

To Joseph Allison – I guess you didn’t read my post about it getting worse before it gets better, and my concern for the derivative markets that are predicted to cause trouble next year. Not to mention all these folks – state workers, teachers, private sector employees – who are looking at pay cuts, furloughs or layoffs will not be spending extra money – no money, no “food” for the economy. We’re nowhere near out of the woods yet. For the record, though, I’m not a farmer – I’m a metro ATL dweller – I’ll just take your words on the agricultural front, though.

To Aaron – Glad to hear that Sonny & Company are willing to share the burden – makes me feel a little better.

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
4:55 pm

Dedicated Teacher and All Others,
Not sure I agree with allowing the parents to sub for free for me while I take my three day furlough (which I don’t mind doing to benefit ALL that are suffering during these tough economic times including my family). I don’t think I could possibly enjoy my “off” time knowing that I left my students in the hands of unqualified people. I love and care for my students too much personally, emotionally, and, of course, educationally to do that to them. I firmly believe they would be better off left at home than to make them suffer at the hands of someone that couldn’t handle the job. God made certain people with the specific purpose of being teachers…..you either ARE or AREN’T a teacher. Back to my original point, I wouldn’t want an unqualified substitute dentist, surgeon, gynocologist, whatever….just as I wouldn’t want an unqualified substitute teacher taking over my class…….they’d be there for 3 days and I’d spend 3 weeks undoing the mess they created. That’s exactly why our furlough will occur on days that don’t negatively impact students.

Dedicated Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
4:59 pm

Poor Joseph,

I guess ignorance is bliss for you. If you’ve never stepped foot in a public schhol or spent countless hours lying in bed at night trying to remember ALL that you need to plan and ALL that you need to acomplish in order to provide the best education possible for your students, then I guess you wouldn’t understand our disgruntledness. There have to be other ways to find the money that seems to have disappeared than to undermine the educational system. Do you also know that our state is at the bottom of the barrel in education? Maybe you are not so up to date on some things yourself, oh pot calling the kettle black!

teacherinaction

July 22nd, 2009
5:05 pm

UNPAID ADVERTISEMENT: Come Volunteer to teach in a typical public school classroom (inner-city/now-suburbia/low-income) for 15 minutes…and you’re guaranteed to come out Screaming!!!

Why don’t we “Furlough Test Scores” and “Your Child’s Eduaction” while we’re at it!? I always hear…teachers have it made!…summers off!…holiday this…holiday that!…I challenge Gov. Purdue to plan, teach, and discipline any public school class in Georgia today! It is NOT worth any cuts (monetarily or resourcefully)!!! Call it what you will, teachers are already “Furloughed” seeing that we sacrifice the little bit of free time we manage to get!

I’ve been reading several blogs about this and there seems to be a general sentiment that teachers are “under”-worked, but “over”-paid! It is unfortunate when some of the “uneducated” populous of society have spoiled the general consensus of the public’s view.

“Take one for the Team!” I think I can speak for most of my teacher friends and my student’s parents, when I say “We as teachers, have taken “a lot” for the Team, and not been given any cushy incentives in return! In addition to teaching, we have to foot the bill for supplies for our students because they come to school with absolutely nothing!

As teachers, we have to be “100%, all natural, state certified, totally dedicated, lesson planning, problem solving, fight separating, character building, detention giving, field trip taking, effort demanding, motivating, child loving, speech correcting, mind developing, paper grading, merit giving, understanding, note sending, rule enforcing, parent informing, caring, pop quizzing, meditating, report card giving, apple taking, lecturing, nourishing, always educating, conference requesting, pride instilling, encouraging, underpaid, vacation needing teachers!” © TM designs 1997

Nonetheless, “I am extremely thankful for my job because fortunately for my sanity, money is not an overwhelming source of my sanctity!” “May God Bless the Teachers and anyone who reads this!!!”

spage

July 22nd, 2009
5:05 pm

I am a public school teacher and I will be GLAD to take my furlough–when the State sends me my 2008 State tax refund!!!!!

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
5:07 pm

Thanks “Most of You Aren’t Getting It” for your great point…..a point that I’d like to repeat….People fail to realize that teachers work 10 months out of the year…I earn money for 10 and ONLY 10 months out of the year……I choose the option of having the money I rightfully earned be spread out over a 12 month period so that I can help provide for the needs of my family in June and July…..I would love to work in June and July and get paid for that time as well….then I’d really have a salary you all could complain about……

Disgusted

July 22nd, 2009
5:08 pm

I have 2 small grandsons in elementary school that are doing extremely well due to the combination of good teachers, a good school system and an excellent Mother at home who helps them study every night. The very idea of cutting education costs, yet again, by furloughing their teachers greatly disturbs me. For all you teachers out there, thank you, for taking the time to “invest your life” in these little children, and for putting up with the parents/grandparents. What you give to these children means so much, and often determines what roads they will later take in life. I know my comments don’t add dollars to your pockets, but please know that so many of us have a deep respect and regard for every teacher who cares enough to stay in the school system to try each day to do his/her best. Shame on GA government for getting us all in such a mess.

Joseph Allison

July 22nd, 2009
5:08 pm

Self justifications are the easiest manner of approachment to any dilemma.

Political power is a two edged sword, the first edge cuts, the second slashes.

The simple fact of all of this is this: the growth was not foundationed upon a continuing source of production. Growth was performed on a whirlwind of expectations, that didn’t materialize.

So, after all the arguing and flandering is over, just precisely what do you plan to do when the gorcery stores close again, like they did in 1983?

Only this time, it won’t be over a monetarily based event, it will be over the choices available in the pantry. This state is down to one can of beans, no pork.

Joseph Allison

July 22nd, 2009
5:36 pm

Bill Bolling over at the Food Bank on Jefferson.

Throw in here_______________.

JD

July 22nd, 2009
5:40 pm

I have been in education as a teacher for a number of years now. Every year, I thought things would be getting better and trying to not succumb to being “burned out.” For some of us, this is the straw that has broken the camel’s back. I guess it is time for me to research and leave the education field after this school year. And the sad part is….it’s never the students that make you leave; it’s everything else.

Sonny do for himself

July 22nd, 2009
5:52 pm

Leave it to a bible thumping hillbilly from GA like Sonny to look like a hypocrite in preaching how he’s the education governor and now turn his back on it.

Thanks Sonny.

July 22nd, 2009
6:04 pm

To: Enuff is ENUFF
Quit looking for a scapegoat. Aliens – Illegal or otherwise – are not to blame for the current situation. They contribute much more than they take out. FYI – many illegals pay taxes through federal and state witholding just like anyone else. They also indirectly pay property taxes – which support school budgets – by paying rent to apartment buildings and landlords. From my experience, they usually buy EVERY supply on the list for their child, even if they have to save up several weeks to afford them. They also buy all sorts of other items – i.e. they pay sales taxes just like everyone else. They are not where the money has gone. The money has gone into the pockets of others.

Again, I have no problem being furloughed if other sectors of govt employees are as well. But to say that teachers are whining, its not fair they get paid summers off, etc. that is simply not respectful of all we do for every child we teach. FYI – We get paid for 190 days of work. our Contract salary is divided into 12 monthly payments. Many teachers work extra jobs during the summer just to make ends meet. Take your salary for 9 months then divide that by twelve. Could you make ends meet on that amount?

When you insult teachers, remember one thing: you would not be where you are if someone did not teach you what you need to know.

lynn

July 22nd, 2009
7:12 pm

I wish we could throw all of them out of office and just start over.

FulCo teach

July 22nd, 2009
7:31 pm

Just learned that Fulton will take all 3 furlough days during pre-planning week. At my school, pre-planning will be Monday-Tuesday (hmmm), open house Wednesday (wink, wink) and the building will be open (hint, hint) from 8am-6pm Wednesday – Friday.

If these are truly furlough days, why would pre-planning not start the two days before students come? I say let the parents see the impact of the furlough – they do when the other state employees are cut hours, correct?

Does anyone know if there was a requirement that the days be taken in the first half of the year? I was hoping the superintendents would read into the game (duh) and choose one pre-planning day, the work day before second semester, and a post-planning day. Now we’re set up to have more furlough days later in the school year…

Just Shoot Me

July 22nd, 2009
7:49 pm

Hmmm while Sonny funds his next vacay home at OUR expense, we sit on blogs and bash “ungrateful teachers who should just be thankful they have jobs.” WAY TO GO AMERICA, we make it so easy to be bamboozled. *smfh*

Kay L.

July 22nd, 2009
8:23 pm

I spent the first few years after college as a teacher. I soon moved on to a better paying, less demanding profession. Good teachers are the most overworked & underpaid of any profession that requires a 4 year college degree. I taught middle grades, had almost 150 students, worked most days after school, and at least a day+ of each weekend preparing for the upcoming week. My salary at that time, including ‘overtime’ & summertime, worked out to maybe $2-3 over minimum wage!
If we paid teachers well, we’d have better teachers. It is supremely difficult to manage a classroom, and impart knowledge. I loved it. Teaching was rewarding, but did not pay the bills for a single mother. Without a doubt teaching is one of the most exhausting jobs in the world. You try caring for 20-30 children in one crowded room for 5-6 hours every day. Current teacher pay rate is unforgiveable; “furlough-ing” teachers absurd.

Mrs. C

July 22nd, 2009
8:28 pm

Hmmm maybe Sonny can take the money from my 3 furlough days and stock some of those “Go Fishing” ponds around the state. Maybe he could continue to spend all that money flying around the state in his helicopter.

Trust me furlough days are just the way to address the “crisis” the state of Georgia is facing as our school children fall even further behind! Good job Sonny. What a legacy! At least you got rich while you were in office.

bendover n takeit

July 22nd, 2009
8:37 pm

To: @bend over and take it

Just like I said, heaven forbid that a teacher has to give up something that a lot of other people have already given up. I’m not happy when anybody has to lose money, but why is it any different for you than it is for the rest of us who aren’t teachers. And I’m not whinning, I’m BITCHING, so you go suck it up buddy, cause I’m still bent over and taking it.

teacher

July 22nd, 2009
8:48 pm

Our county has SIX area superintendents, along with assistant superintendents, and the big lead superintendent himself. One of them makes what three teachers make. Why not cut them? But no, never in politics. Just like in the president’s circle—they won’t ever have to worry about budget cuts! I’vebeen teaching for thirteen years, and yet my children wear second-hand clothes and I shop with coupons. Yet, I give my all everyday to teach children. What will our future hold wihout teachers?
Why not solicit funds from the governor’s office? Because that goes against policy. God bless America….

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
8:53 pm

Bendover n takeit,
I do give up something every single day…..I give up time with my own children and husband so that I can educate (and raise and provide for) everyone else’s kids…..yes, it is by choice (and necessity)….but fact is, I spend more time with everyone else’s kids than my own…..maybe if you would stand up and face the world head on instead of bending over and taking it you would be a whole lot happier?????

mikelynn91

July 22nd, 2009
9:22 pm

When is Sonny Purdue and the rest of the ATL capitol gang taking their 3 day furlough? Lead by example gov!

busy teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:23 pm

When did contracts become negotiable after both parties signed them?
Perdue is a such a little man and such a little governor.
What alarms me is the attitudes of Georgians about the treatment of the educators who will educate their children! You will want a world-class education from educators who are being treated like unappreciated people. You will demand higher test scores, meet AYP, sponsor those events, and grade papers, keep websites and gradebook programs current, meet us early in the morning for conferences because your jobs will not allow you to meet when conferences are usually scheduled,deficiency notices when your child fails and remediation so your children will not fail the state-mandated tests, and interesting ans well-planned lessons daily. You will also demand that we do more with less. Get the picture!
If you are interested in our doing that, rise up and help us fight these furloughs! I can not work any more for free. You want your children to have the best education we can provide. We do too! You must help us! If not with the money issues, you can volunteer in the schols to show your support for the teachers. If we lose our pre-planning days, your support and help with bulletin boards, moving books, typing syllabi, arranging rooms, etc. will be essential for the morale of the teachers and the readying of the schools for opening day. Otherwise, your children will feel the effects of the trickle down effect. What we do not get done during our abbreviated planning time, they will help do. Possibly they might like it. Sure will make lesson plans easy – DAy One: Put up posters and create learning centers.
If you want the teachers to be able to hit the ground running for instruction, you will need to help us by showing up to do some of the work we usually have the time to do. Not only that, your showing up will boost morale and will show the governor that you support the educators and your children, not the governor. That will be a message that he will not forget when the parents side with the teachers and work together to start the year off with prepared and grateful teachers entering the classrooms on opening day.
You do not think there is anyting to do? What about all those boxes of books in the front foyer of the schools? Those books have to be stamped, numbered, and put into teachers’ rooms. Long, time-consuming task that eats up planning time. What about books stored in one high school building that need to be distributed to other buildings on campus. Surely you have a car and possibly a student that could volunteer to load and unload these books and bring them to the different rooms. Stapling all the new materials that the front offices have to distribute to the teachers, etc. There is much to be done and little time. After all, these are your students we are talking about. Stand up, Georgians! Stand up and support the teachers and your students in their time of need. The rewards will be great!
Trust ME! You are needed!

d

July 22nd, 2009
9:32 pm

Doctors manage doctors. Lawyers manage lawyers. Veterinarians manage teachers.

hmmmm????

July 22nd, 2009
9:38 pm

Well spoken, Busy Teacher!

boo hoo

July 22nd, 2009
9:42 pm

Oh, great …looks like I struck a nerve. I stand by my assessment. Stop whining and suck it up.
It will only hurt for 3 days. Try putting your life in perspective and cut the me, me, me crap. There are people hurting much more than educators. Any soldier would beg to only hurt for 3 days. Thank them for your freedom and security that allows this self indulgent drivel that continues to spew from your mouths. Get a grip.

Words of Wisdom from an Old Educator

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 pm

My dear comrades in education, I have been teaching for more years than I want to admit. But I think you are all reacting rather than acting on the issue of money and furloughs. What happened to the devoted teacher who was more concerned for the “whole” education of a child than for their own wants and needs? What happened to the selflessness that comes with a position of being a teacher, a leader? Maybe I see the world out of rose-colored glasses, but you all seem to be putting money, convenience, pride, and personal gain first and the education of our future caregivers and leaders second. To teach is one thing – to educate is another. Remember – children (and adults)learn from others’ actions as well as their words. Therefore, based on what I have read in this blog, you must want a future of selfish, unloyal, whiney individuals who are concerned only with themselves and their needs. We need to learn to be content with whatever comes our way and keep an even temperment. As it was pointed out, educators are a very large contingent of voters. So, please think about what you are saying and don’t waste words foolishly.

MathTeach

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 pm

From the postings it is clear some people do not understand… I work in a county that already put in place pay cuts (just like in the REAL world). This would be another cut to our pay. Also, if the furloughs occur before the first day of school, there is no way to “fish”! We have to be ready for our students. 2 days is not enough time to do that, especially with open houses in that week for parents. I used to work in the business world prior to my transition in the classroom–I acknowlege back then I had no appreciation for the work/time involved in teaching. It is obvious by some comments this is he case for others-those outside the teaching world should think before they write, it is hurtful to those who work so hard for so little. And unfortunately, some of us have spouses laid off also, so we are suffering just like the rest of America…indeed.

Evil Old English Teacher

July 22nd, 2009
9:49 pm

Teachers,

We do need to “stop whining and be happy [we] have a job.” I propose we do just that–work our 186 days but we do it by performing a work-to-the-rule performance.

See an example here: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/homepage/x1895694455

To the few new teachers that have come on this site and expressed sadness about the venom spewed at teachers, please understand that this type of teacher bashing isn’t normal.

Think of your own classroom. You know little Johnny in the corner who is loud and disruptive? He is in the minority of students even though he makes the most noise. (He usually has a pretty cruddy home life too–which it sounds like some these teacher-haters do as well). Still, teacher-bashers ARE the minority. Most people understand what we do and the sacrifices we make. I only wish those who make our contract decisions did as well.

Ultimately, that is why I say we stop “bending over and taking it” (to borrow a crude phrase from a previous post), and SHOW legislators why our time is valuable.

Work-to-the-rule!

@bend over and take it

July 22nd, 2009
9:51 pm

“And I’m not whinning, I’m BITCHING, so you go suck it up buddy, cause I’m still bent over and taking it.”

And whose fault is that? So, as I read it, you get to bitch and teachers have to keep their mouths shut? No way, man – this is America, and I’m going to whine as loud as the next guy – it’s my right, lol!

@boohoo

July 22nd, 2009
9:52 pm

“Oh, great …looks like I struck a nerve.”

I wouldn’t give myself that much credit.

Andrea

July 22nd, 2009
10:28 pm

Dear People,

Please understand comments such as Albert’s are inaccurate as this furrlough will have no monetary warrant except with teacher saleries. These furrlough days are days when children are not attending classes; therefore, no savings on gas, food, electricity, etc. What we will be experiencing as a state; however, is the lack of learning gains for our children and GA. is on the low curve of the 50 state measurements. Perhaps we should ask ourselves what kind of hole are we really digging for Georgia’s children.

Teachers (not administrators, curriculum directors, etc) are the ones whom daily meet the needs of all of our children including emotional and social needs, Foremost, teaching standards are the priority; however, with NO grade collaboration between colleagues any gains our state bragged about this year will be quickly reversed. Educators are certainly not 9:00 to 5:00 workers. We come in early ( our choice)to prepare for our students making sure teaching strategies are in place, standards are reviewed for the day, and how we can hook our students into becoming lifelong learners. It requires a person who has a passion for children and teaching. Long hours are spent afterschool not only planning but tutoring, connecting with parents whose children are having a problem or a great day. We then load up our “rolling carts” or bags and take our stuff home to pour over and examine how we can reach a student who has not felt success and equally search for ways to stretch our successful students.

Are we through – no! Ask any spouse of a teacher, we eat and breathe our passion for teaching and if we happen to meet up with another one we begin a conversation about stratagies and antedotes from our days.

Am I through, no, not quite. Then, there is the summer and each time I hear a person through lack of understanding the profession exclaim — wow, what a do nothing job…get to have the whole summer off with pay I really blow my top. We do not get summers off with pay. Instead we are contracted and our pay is divided by 12 months so that we get a check. Indeed, we are a bargain for the state! We have no paid holidays. Yes, we are off but without pay. This would never fly in the corporate world which by the way really need us in the classroom planning for our students as all of us are being left behind in this information age.

Teachers, just as all of us, know the pain of economics. We buy teaching aids digging into our own pockets, supplies for students who have none, pay for lunches of students who may be served an alternative lunch, and donate money to other school activities for children who lack fumds. We do this privately and we do this blindly. Am I complaining; never, I am only sharing our passion, our joys.

Will it hurt teachers’ and their families to take 3 days off without pay? Yes, just as it would any of us. Will it hurt all of Georgia’s children? YES, and in so many more ways than test scores. Just remember you would not want to be on a table with a suregeon that was locked out of planning for your operation or that could not have a pre-op meeting with you. Perhaps, citizens, there is a better way! Certainly, our state government should make sure they really searched their passion.

Frustrated

July 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm

“Heads up…” Hmm. I will return to my “educational cottage” (read: LEAKY TRAILER) to teach an additional class (30 more students, on top of the 150 I had last year) at the beginning of NEXT WEEK, based on a contract signed MONTHS before this detrimental decision. So, is the contract illegal? Or does the governor/superintendent just change the terms of a legally binding document at will? There are (a few) jobs remaining in the private sector for which I am qualified but not able to take per the conditions of this document: jobs that would NOT screw me out of pay that I have earned through experience, high-priced degrees, and going above and beyond for my students and fellow staff members… Please forgive any mistakes in this rant, because I am a bit irritated at this point! I love my career, but not if it means being constantly at the mercy of governing such as this. Is there any wonder why Georgia’s schools are failing?

Kathy

July 22nd, 2009
10:50 pm

Most teachers I know are dedicated and do whatever it takes to be ready for our students on day 1. That usually means beginning work well before our 1st contract day. We usually put in many more hours than we are paid for. We can’t not plan and prepare. Even if we are told not to report on some planning days, most of us will still be there doing what needs to be done. GA gets most of her teachers at bargin prices!

HenryCo Teacher

July 23rd, 2009
12:11 am

Just to be clear, we’re being asked (required? forced? railroaded into?) taking 3 days off WHEN THE STUDENTS ARE NOT IN SCHOOL. If a teacher absent when students are in school, then they have to pay a sub, which actually costs more money.

Phil

July 23rd, 2009
12:51 am

I am a veteran teacher. All I can say to those negative, mean-spirited naysayers is.. You obviously had a tramatic school life, non caring teachers because my students went out the door on the last day of school proud of passing the big ole scary CRCT, proud that their school made Adequate Yearly Progress (AYP) to you negative folks, that means our school did “real good”. Also, the majority of my students left with frowns because school was over and I wouldn’t have them anymore. Now, Mr whining teachers, I don’t care if they pay me at all but my family does enjoy eating 3 meals a day and clothes to wear, so with all that said, how many children have u made feel GREAT today, and oh yea, fixed booboos for, oh yea, encouraged them to read, and held your bladder for hours so they could get ALL instructional time. I hope your children one day have an awesome teacher who puts in hours of afterschool work or weekends to make it stimulating and fun in the classroom! Because furloughing us means less academic time for them whether its planning, meetings, or staff developments. It all affects THE CHILDREN eventually!!!!

Phil

July 23rd, 2009
1:11 am

Dear mr wise ole educator with rose colored glasses,

You must be one of the oldies but goody teachers from the past. WAKE UP! Teachers today are struggling to make ends meet also! We don’t have our house paid for yet. I am a wonderful loving and understanding teacher that spends a ton of money on my students! So YES our money is important just as our students are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!!!

Phil

July 23rd, 2009
1:29 am

Dear Kim,

Legally you do not work on your furlough day!

Rights For Teachers

July 23rd, 2009
1:39 am

It angers me that education is being cut. Teachers?!!! Not the principals and other top leaders? Why don’t they tax the people who are making in the most money? That could generate more needed money. Place taxes on the sports players, politians, etc…I would like for the Mr. Perdue to donate some of his days and money. Question??? Gov. Sonny Perdue, how do expect the teachers to pay their bills when you want them to not get paid? Have you checked out how many people can pay for their houses? What about selecting from buying food or their child’s medicine? How many teachers will have to go without…OMG how many are going without now? Have you mistaken how much money they get paid?

Rights For Teachers

July 23rd, 2009
1:40 am

Answer to all of the questions….STRONG UNION!!!!!!!

Henry J

July 23rd, 2009
2:14 am

To Marshall: What are you talking about Republicans recognized again. It’s the last 8 years of Republican crap that has us in this mess. I know you people are not trying to blame President Obama for the state of this union. If you remember correctly, he inherited this atrosity and has only been in office a few months. It took more than a few months to get us in this mess, and it will take more than a few months to get us out. If the Republicans in Washington would quit trying to sabbotage President Obama and do what’s beneficial to the American people, then maybe some of these issues would began to be solved. This is not a racial issue, this is a people issue. People of all races are feeling the brunt of this sinking economy. As for Gov. Perdue, he should quit trying to set up programs and businesses that will benefit him in his retirement and pay closer attention to what’s happening to his citizens. Who needs a wildlife museum? Who will even have the money to visit it with all these cuts? Is Gov. Perdue is going to work some days unpaid or give up some of his salary? I doubt it. And what does he mean he struck a deal? It seems to me that if you are going to be dealing with my life and my well being, I should have been a part of that deal.

Susan Oldham

July 23rd, 2009
6:13 am

Your Gov. Sonny Perdue is following in the same footsteps as our North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue. Our Gov. Perdue already furloughed all North Carolina state employees including teachers and cut our annual salary by .5% and took it out of 2 paychecks. Now our education budget slashed by 11% and many teachers and support staff have lost their jobs. What’s worse…our governor was just elected into office for the first time in January…who voted for her teachers, police, firemen, etc…who has she stabbed in the back…teachers, policemen, firemen, and OUR CHILDREN!!!

BigRed

July 23rd, 2009
7:30 am

Let’s see. Save 33 million with teachers taking 3 days off. Why not make em take 6 days and save 66 million or 9 days and save 99 million. The kids would love an extra week off. Teacher have received raises when other state employees didn’t. I just can’t feel sorry for the chosen few!

Sharona

July 23rd, 2009
8:36 am

To be honest it was the teachers that voted for Sonny, and the ones that insist on having that confederate flag, so you get what you vote for, so enjoy them furlough days!!!!! So glad to be a Nurse, and we need more so maybe the days you are off work enroll back in school!!!

Nia, actually, healthcare is feeling the crunch too so don’t be so GLAD to be a nurse. Saint Joseph’s Hospital is close to shutting down and I know nurses that are friends and family that have had a difficult time finding a job…even doctors are feeling the crunch. I would prefer to take a furlough day than to lose valuable jobs! I am so glad to be a teacher!!!!!!!

Payback

July 23rd, 2009
8:41 am

Georgia among has the lowest overall graduation rates in the country.
As for Gov. Perdue, he should quit trying to set up programs and businesses that will benefit him in his retirement and pay closer attention to what’s happening to his citizens. 8 years of Republican crap way to go Republican party

Sharona

July 23rd, 2009
8:41 am

Also, many of the posters are correct..make EVERY DISTRICT EMPLOYEE TAKE 3 days..NOT just teachers..ALSO, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE DISTRICTS SPEND FRIVOLOUS MONEY ON POSITIONS..LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER AREA SUPERINTENDENTS…EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS, READING AND MATH COACHES WHO DON’T DO ANYTHING BUT SIT IN THEIR OFFICES ALL DAY…AND CAUSE CHAOS AROUND THE SCHOOL BY BEING AN “UNOFFICAL” ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL INSTEAD OF A COACH! WE SHOULD PROTEST THIS! I AM WILLING TO DO A FURLOUGH TO SAVE JOBS BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE EVERYONE DO FURLOUGH DAYS….LIKE ATLANTA’S SUPER BEVERLY HALL WHO MAKES 360,000 A YEAR!

Donna

July 23rd, 2009
8:49 am

I don’t mind taking 3 days off without pay if the governor will do the same.

20 Year Special Ed Teacher

July 23rd, 2009
8:54 am

It’s been both amusing and annoying to read the blogs from non-educators who pass themselves off as experts on teacher salaries and job duties. As a teacher, I wouldn’t embarrass myself by spending hours pompously spouting off on a profession,(let’s say, for example, a state accountant) without having actually worked a day at that job and without really knowing my facts.

As for other state workers- I’m with you. Your situation is just as devastating and undeserved as ours.

But it really all boils down to this:
Either the governor means what he says about education as a TOP priority – or he doesn’t. This morning’s AJC leads off with a dismal account of our state’s graduation rate. You either decide that education is “untouchable” when it comes to funding, and find your financial solutions elsewhere- or you admit that your rhetoric is just that- political rhetoric. You can’t have it both ways and you get what your pay for. Our governor’s actions speak louder than his words, so let’s not hear any more from Sonny or Kathy Cox about test scores, state rankings etc.

Sharona

July 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

mike

July 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
My brother has been laid-off for weeks now…I bet he only wishes it was three unpaid days off. I understand you’re upset, but look at the people in the unemployment line and tell them how upset you are.

MIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I AM GLAD TO HAVE A JOB…BUT, TEACHERS ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE ECONOMY…EVERY PROFESSION DEPENDS ON TEACHERS…TO BE A DOCTOR, ONE MUST GO THROUGH A TEACHER FIRST…TO ME HEALTCARE WORKERS AND EDUCATORS ON A A DIFFERENT SCALE DUE TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE JOBS..THEY ARE NEEDED TO KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE GOING!

Sharona

July 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

TEACHERS..WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER ON THIS ONE…DO NOT GO TO WORK EARLY THIS YEAR! IF PEOPLE DON’T APPRECIATE US THEN WE WILL SHOW THEM! IF YOUR DISTRICT SAYS TO RETURN ON LET’S SAY WED…PLEASE RETURN ON WED…THEY ARE PLAYING US! THEY KNOW THAT WE WILL COME IN ANYWAY TO GET THE JOB DONE..PLEASE DON’T ALLOW THEM TO MAKE FOOLS OUT OF US! IF WE LAY DOWN AND TAKE THESE FURLOUGH DAYS THEN THEY WILL PROBABLY ADD MORE! I REPEAT..DON’T GO TO WORK WEEK AFTER NEXT UNTIL THE DAY THEY TELL US! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GARNER RESPECT FROM THE COMMUNITY! WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER AND FOR A UNION IN GEORGIA! I AM WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT..I AM TIRED OF BEING RAN OVER LIKE ROAD KILL! IF YOU AGREE, PLACE THIS MESSAGE ON YOUR FACEBOOK, TWITTER THIS TO ALL YOUR TEACHER FRIENDS IN VARIOUS DISTRICTS..EMAIL ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN MY FIGHT TO UNIONIZE TEACHERS IN GEORGIA..NAPPYTOP01@YAHOO.COM!

wondering

July 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

I’m just trying to figure out how our district can cut 3 non-teaching days during this calendar year. We only have 4 scheduled before January and 3 are pre-planning. Are we supposed to start school with no time to prepare to teach the children?

LG TEACHER

July 23rd, 2009
10:01 am

Guess this means no “Sonny Bucks” this year, huh? How ever will I get by without the extra $100….

J

July 23rd, 2009
10:21 am

What if all teachers across the state called in sick on the first day of work as a sign of solidarity and protest these “furloughs”. What they are really asking us is to come into school during pre-planning and post-planning and work for free. It’s amazing how our political leaders preach for better education, better pay for teachers, etc. and yet all it is just a load of hot air.

gh4818

July 23rd, 2009
10:31 am

Great…Awesome for the teachers! (Yea right). If your going to look into education why not look at people in the higher up that sit on their computers and send out stupid e-mails and then try to have teachers take their time away from home to go to stupid meetings….how about looking at them. They get paid a lot more then I do.

JR

July 23rd, 2009
10:37 am

What if all theteachers across the state should call in sick on the first day of school as a sign of solidarity and protest in regards to these “furloughs”. What they want is for teachers to work for free during the pre-planning and possibly post-planning days. It’s amazing that our political leaders say they want and preach better education, better curriculum, higher standards, better/more qualified teachers in the classroom, higher teacher salaries, etc. Yet when it comes time to put the rubber to the road all it is, is just preaching instead of doing. Cutting teachers pay or “furloughs” is not the end all be all of fixing the budget.

esgerm teacher

July 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

well here is my 3rd post to this topic. Iam I incorrect? didn’t Lincoln free the slave? My county is already taking away 1 post planning day with pay so it isn’t 3 days it is 4. I think the ajc needs to post all comments and stop censuring them. I keep reading the same crap from the the same people, The point is Teachers are state employess but we are employed by school districts. My concern is why does the governor think he has the authority to break our contracts? What would happen with say Ford Motor Credit if a person who financed thier car told them hey i’m not going to pay for 3 months? They would repossess the car quicker that you could bat an eye.

By the way were is the bailout money from the federal government? Sony dear you were one of the governors who stated that you didn’t want it. Now you do this? Hey,herss a thought. whay doesn’t Obama bail out the schools systems in the US? The congress has bailed out everybody else. When are we going to stop teacher attacks? Does anybody realize that we are public servents? That means attack us and deal with homeland security! Not according to what what i’ve delt with and listened to.

vpc

July 23rd, 2009
11:35 am

What’s so sad is that the best teachers will be at home sitting at the kitchen table, for 3 days, organizing and doing the same things they would have been doing at the school but with no pay. They already go way beyond the call of duty when they supply needed items for their class rooms, out of their own pockets, because of low funding. And now they are the ones to take the hit. I, as a parent and bus driver of Cherokee County, will do extra this year to help my children’s teachers. This is a year we should support our teachers and pull together instead of throwing hateful comments out to each other. We all know our country is going thru a bad time right now. Don’t be the problem, be the answer!

cherokeeteacher

July 23rd, 2009
11:35 am

Get a grip folks. I just figured the actual cost to me (I have a specialist degree) it is going to cost me $82 per month. If that is a burden on anyone you have far more to worry about than the furlough. If taking a furlough means saving a job for someone else than I will gladly help. Teachers have great jobs (and I coach) get paid good, stop the complaining. FYI everyone in our school district from the super on down is taking a furlough. I am not a democrat or republican I do not think this has anything to do with party politics. Also, guess what I am white so please do not say it is a race issue; that EXCUSE is getting old! Also if you want what the Yankees have move your *** up North.. good riddance. No one makes you live here, if it is soooo much better up North move baby move. Be thankful we have a job and all that we have to endure is a 3 day furlough. I bet all the thousands of unemployed folks would gladly switch with us. STOP complaining and be thankful you have a job. Also be thankful you do not teach in Cobb they got a 2% pay cut.. at least we will not be working when we are not being paid!

@cherokeeteacher

July 23rd, 2009
11:45 am

Enjoy your days off next week – I am a Cobb teacher, and although they haven’t told us how they’re going to handle it yet, we already have a furlough day and a 2% pay cut, and the step increase (not that I’m getting one this year) is cut in half – it’s going to be a 4% pay cut if we lose the three additional days (not to mention what could happen next year – remember folks, this only gets us through JANUARY 1st).

Not to be ugly, but I will not be buying ANYTHING for my classroom out of pocket this year – not even a box of tissues. Since my husband lost his job (so yeah, I feel other people’s “real world” pain, too), it’s simply not going to be in my budget.

We should all be upset – state workers, teachers, private sector – everybody! This economy is in serious straits, and we’re not out of the woods yet. All of us with pay cuts & job losses are going to be spending less. Foreclosures are going to continue. Revenues are going to be down. This isn’t over by any means. We should all be upset, and we should all be concerned!

Alfonza Quinn

July 23rd, 2009
12:23 pm

Everyone is complaining about the teachers being furloughed. I work for the DFCS. We had to take a furlough day each month for over half of last fiscal year and did not receive a raise last year while the teachers received one. This fiscal year we are subjects to the three day furlough. We have to have just as much education as is required to become a teacher and earn signifantly less than teachers. I’m begining to think that state officials don’t value case managers as they do teachers. The only time we here outcrys from the state officials is when a child dies or is seriously injured. I love my job and I would like the state to place the same importance of my services as they do the teacher’s services.

Gil

July 23rd, 2009
12:25 pm

The way teachers and their union representatives are acting are downright shameful. And hearing them on TV advocating taxing the citizen EVEN more so they don’t have to take the time is despicable.

A few things for you to consider. First, stop with the “already underpaid” speech. You are fairly compensated for the hours you actually work and since your union leadership is against performance based pay, you get what you deserve.

Second, unemployment stats show 1 in 10 of your students have a parent or guardian that is unemployed. Many more have parents whose wages or paid hours have been cut. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.

Teachers???

July 23rd, 2009
12:45 pm

If you ever want to hear alot of complaining put the word teacher in it. All they do is complain and by the looks of our states education rankings they should try to stop complaining and try to “teach”. they are soooooo ever worked and have to take money out of their pocket to teach our children. WOW your the only one that has to do that… try doing that with other state workers salaries. Look in the Ga Dept of Audits website and compare teacher salaries to other state employee salaries. I am a state employee and will be taking my 3 days off. FINE BY ME. oh yea and teachers lets do put substitutes in the classroom your not doing to well…..

JP

July 23rd, 2009
12:53 pm

UGA and GT Sports affected? Which games with the ticket takers not work?

Tracy

July 23rd, 2009
1:27 pm

Perdue is full of it! He makes it out like us teachers had a say in this. Let him and his staff have three days without pay, that will save us a lot more. Has congress taken their three day furlough? Also, if we need three days without pay, why not spread it out over a calendar year? That way it will not be such a big loss at once. Also, why just pick on teachers and not make it across the board for all state employees? That way it might only be one day per group. When can we get rid of Perdue?

Tracy

July 23rd, 2009
1:39 pm

to “Teachers???”,

Theis is David, Tracy’s husband (also a teacher)
The last thing you need to do is start trashing teachers. Come try my job for a month, I dare you. I take it you are with dept. of audits? Does that have anything to do with state funds? If so, maybe if you guys were doing your job, we wouldn’t be in the fix to begin with! But being that I’m not sure what you really do in your job, I don’t have a realistically based opinion now do I? You may want to watch what you say unless you have been in our shoes. Also, education has been slammed for $2 billion in cuts over the past two years. Now they are hitting the teachers in our personal pockets! Take your three days without complaining. Then maybe they will hit you again for a change. Wouldn’t hurt our feelings. If you don’t complain, no one hears you.
The point is, this should be an across the board cut. Including our dear gov. and all legislative branches. Have you seen the salaries of any of those positions. Ask them how much they are giving up!

R Kessler (teacher)

July 23rd, 2009
2:35 pm

This week I went in to attend a mandatory workshop. At the end of the workshop, four of us were told that we need to come in three days next week, which are off days for us. Then we find that Sonny is requiring a three day furlough (quit sugar coating the term. It is a pay cut) So we are expected to come in three of our own days then take a furlough too. Hmmmmmmm When a day care is paid by the week, it doesn’t matter if the child is there or not, the day care still charges for the days. So I take them in on three days that I should have off and I must pay for it. If I keep them out on my furlough days, do I save on day care? NO. Why not save the money by spreading it out over all who use the school systems? Call off the tax free weekend for one year. Then everyone who sends their children to school (to include myself) can share the burden. There are other ways than always calling for pay cuts.

R Kessler (teacher)

July 23rd, 2009
2:56 pm

Gil:
You state that teachers are fairly compensated for the hours that they actually work. Since you are such an expert, can you tell me exactly what hours we work? I totally doubt it. If most workers work any time over their assigned time, and don’t get overtime for it, they hollar to high heaven. Teachers take it as a given. You aren’t counting even half of the hours we put in. I can sit there in my class room (required) till 8:00 on parent/teacher conference nights and never even have a parent show up. I can sit there on PTA night till 8:00 along with the rest of the teachers and if we are lucky 15 parents out of a school of 1000 students. Ask my wife and children how many hours I put in at home doing everything I can to make my classes more and more effective and interesting. Tell me Gil, how many hours do teachers actually work (already without compensation)?

R Kessler (teacher)

July 23rd, 2009
2:58 pm

If a teacher walks out on the contract they signed, it is an ethics violation. Seems like it should be an ethics violation when the state does the same thing.

Gil

July 23rd, 2009
3:26 pm

R. Kessler, this is a perfect example of what I speak of. “Tax the citizens MORE so I don’t ahve to take an upaid day off!” Again, welcome to the real world. I’m already “sharing the burden”, pal. Since t he count could reassess my home at a higher value, they just raised the millage rates and my tax bill went up 12%. That 12% is about equal to your 3 furlough days, by the way.

And don’t give me the whinefest about your long hours. I have kids in the public school system. Our elementary school day ends at 215pm and that school is ghost town by 230pm. Teachers won’t even schedule a parent teach conference after 4pm. And this is what is considered one of the best school districts in the area.

Guess what else? Most professionals work long hours and don’t earn overtime. Do you consider yourself a professional? Unfortunately, your words state otherwise.

It's simple....

July 23rd, 2009
3:29 pm

Let’s shut the schools down on 3 student days and then see the parents scramble for childcare or have to take off work….then maybe they will change their tune……teachers raise the kids in this state (and others)….if you think we are sub-par then home school and raise them yourselves and do the education system a favor….apparently you can educate them way better than the professionals do… Go for it!!!! If parents did their jobs the right way at home, then teaching kids at school would be a breeze…..it’s a team effort. Do you tell your dentist how to fill a cavity? NO. Do you tell a doctor how to birth a baby? NO. Do you tell a mechanic how to fix your engine? NO. Then, how in the world do you think you can tell teachers how to do their jobs? If you have a right to be blogging with moans and complaints…then teachers have that right too….that’s what a blog is all about…an open forum to speak freely…My biggest complaint is sub-par parents who expect the education system to work miracles on kids due to their lack of parenting…I’m a teacher not miracle worker!

Nappytop

July 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm

thankateacher

July 22nd, 2009
3:38 pm
To anyone that thinks public school teachers are overpaid babysitters, I challenge you to become a school teacher and teach in Atlanta city. Seriously.

AS A TEACHER IN ATLANTA CITY! I AMEN THAT COMMENT! PLEASE JOIN US IN APS AND SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST CORPORATE MANAGER AND OTHERS,let’s see how EASY the job will be..lol.

Nappytop

July 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm

Teachers???

July 23rd, 2009
12:45 pm
If you ever want to hear alot of complaining put the word teacher in it. All they do is complain and by the looks of our states education rankings they should try to stop complaining and try to “teach”. they are soooooo ever worked and have to take money out of their pocket to teach our children. WOW your the only one that has to do that… try doing that with other state workers salaries. Look in the Ga Dept of Audits website and compare teacher salaries to other state employee salaries. I am a state employee and will be taking my 3 days off. FINE BY ME. oh yea and teachers lets do put substitutes in the classroom your not doing to well…..

PLEASE NOTE THAT MANY OF THE STATE EMPLOYEES YOU ARE REFERRING TO DO NOT HAVE DEGREES OR ADVANCED DEGREES, MOST EDUCATORS HAVE MASTERS, EDUCATIONAL SPECIALIST DEGREES, AND A GROWING NUMBER HAVE DOCTORATES…SO FOR THE AMOUNT OF EDUCATION WE HAVE WE DON’T GET PAID FOR IT…ALSO, I CONSIDER, TEACHERS, NURSES,DOCTORS, POLICEMAN, AND FIREMEN TO BE AT THE TOP OF ESSENTIAL JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY…NAME SOME POSITIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT AS ESSENTIAL AS THE PROFESSIONS LISTED ABOVE?

Sharona

July 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm

Corrections employee

July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm
Finally the teachers will have a taste of what ALL state employee’s have gone through for a long time. School bus drivers get to drive their buses home, how much money could the state (or county) save if they didn’t pay for that fuel, let the bus drivers drive their vehicles to pick up their buses. State employee’s haven’t had a raise in a long time, some of them might get a raise since the minimum wage is going up.

if you don’t understand something please save yourself and don’t comment at all…school bus drivers do not drive the buses home..each district has a bus depot! Also, many school bus drivers make less than the janitors! Also, they are not the ones taking furloughs…the teachers are. Teachers are already under paid for the amount of education most us us have. The majority of teachers have advanced degrees and if we were in any other profession, we would be paid for it…PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm

My wife is a teacher. She recieived an email from her principal today. It told her that three days of her pre-planning were taken away in order to meet the furlough requirement.

The note then went on to say that she needn’t worry about getting her room ready in time for the students because the building would remain unlocked on the furlough days.

Basically, come to work as planned and get your classroom prepared for the students. We just won’t pay you.

jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm

Also, my wife teaches in an excellent Cobb County school that produces exceptional test scores. So save the “have you seen our test scores?” crap.

Nappytop

July 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

CRAP

July 21st, 2009
8:37 pm
How do teachers go about starting a union?
ARE YOU SERIOUS? I AM! WE NEED TO BECOME UNIONIZED LIKE NEW YORK AND OTHER STATES..WE ARE EDUCATED INDIVIUALS THAT HAVE GARNER LIMITED RESPECT FOR WHAT WE DO! I FOR ONE AM TIRED! PLEASE CONTACT ME AT NAPPYTOP01@YAHOO.COM…IF YOU ARE INTRESTED IN CHANGING THINGS..LET’S FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER.

I have never supported unions. I have never thought that teachers should strike when they are unhappy. This is not in the best interest of our children! However, this has certainly changed my mind. We need a UNION. Page and GEA need to step up to the plate. Teachers need to step up to the plate during the next round of elections. ROY BARNES is certainly looking like a real GEM!
cONTACT ME AT THE ABOVE EMAIL!

To jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
4:28 pm

I’m curious – what school? I teach in Cobb and I haven’t heard a word – I do know that there is a BOE meeting tonight – I figured we’d hear after that.

R Kessler (teacher)

July 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm

The bottom line here for teachers is this; In the spring we were all offered contracts. The contracts stated that we will work for a stated number of days and we will receive a specific amount of pay for the days. The pay is spread out through the whole year rather than receiving it all during the 9 months that school is in session. This is a contract. If the teacher signs the contract, then walks out on the contract, he/she is in violation of the state ethics code and can have their certification revoked. If I were offered a job with a greater salary, it would be unethical for me to take it since I signed a contract. Why then is it not unethical for the state to say, I realize that we have a contract for your services at this amount of money, but we are renigging on that contract and are going to give you less money. This is not a matter of how many extra hours we put in, or anything else. At the time of the contracts, the country was already in a serious recession. The state knew that due to unemployment and all other factors, that it would run into a short fall in revenue. They should have stated at the time contracts were offered, the smaller amount of pay. Then the teachers could either take it or leave it. If this were any other profession in the private sector, it would go to court for breach of contract. All of this other stuff that I see here is totally beside to point.

jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

Garrison Mill

Gil

July 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm

So did you teachers bother to read this contract before you signed it? Did it happen to have a force majuere clause in it?

All of the vitriol coming from some of the educators in these comments are not helping the perception many taxpayers have of public educators. It certainly isn’t about the kids, is it?

You guys really need to get some PR help. Seriously.

To jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm

Timo

July 23rd, 2009
4:58 pm

Gil nobody cares about your dumba$$ kids.

Timo

July 23rd, 2009
5:02 pm

I’m not an educator. Just someone letting you know that no one cares about your concerns.

It's simple....

July 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm

And by the way, I’m at home during my well earned summer break after spending 5 hours working in my classroom for the third day in a row (for free) to prepare for the upcoming school year….How many of you are blogging on your employer’s dime? Just asking…

Jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
5:12 pm

Gil – could you please tell me what portion of this would be out of the control of the government that would make force majeure applicable?

And even if it was, that would mean that both parties could advocate the terms of the contract. I’m sure that’s not what has been done here. Teachers without valid contracts is not something the government would want.

It's simple....

July 23rd, 2009
5:20 pm

Gil…….So what….parents/taxpayers have a negative perception of educators…..what’s new with that? Guess what, I have many negative perceptions of the parents of my students and their ability to do exactly that….be a parent! Geez, you have to pay a fee and have a license to drive, pay a fee and have a license to fish and hunt, pay a fee and get a license to operate machinery or own a business……I say let’s start charging people a hefty fee ( A Parenting Tax) with required “parenting” coursework ( and renewal courses, as well) at their own expense to earn a license and the privilege to become a parent…..that would certainly off set the state deficit…..and most definitely improve the quality of our education system. Hmmm?

This was your money

July 23rd, 2009
5:23 pm

The near-disaster that Sonny Perdue kept to himself
Thursday, November 20, 2008, 04:45 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Gov. Sonny Perdue revealed Thursday that state government was close to suffering major computers crashes, threatening lots of important data, during Hurricane Ivan in 2004.

Perdue told reporters, including my AJC colleague Cameron McWhirter, that he “wasn’t fully transparent with all of you” at the time because the danger was “fairly frightening.” He said the threat was one of the main reasons he put two computer outsourcing contracts out to bid last year.

On Thursday, The governor held a press conference in his Capitol office to announce he was awarding an eight-year, $873 million contract to IBM and a five-year, $346 million contract to AT&T.

Patrick Moore, who heads the Georgia Technology Authority, said the new contracts will save the state millions in part because the state will reduce the number of state computer servers from about 2,700 now to about 1,600.

Ninety-two GTA workers will lose their jobs. The two companies were sole bidders for the contracts. Perdue had scrapped a similar deal in 2003 when only one company bid. This time, Perdue said, the state had done more homework about what he needed so he felt better about awarding these contracts.

“We weren’t going to be a patsy consumer,” he said.

Amanda

July 23rd, 2009
6:10 pm

People in leadership roles should never ask/expect employees to do something that they are not also willing to do . Let state furloughs start from the top down…starting with Sonny Perdue and his top law makers.

stateemployee

July 23rd, 2009
6:19 pm

Teachers, yes, important…but this is affecting all state employees across the board. Let’s not forget that teachers aren’t the only one impacted, those of us who make less than teachers are to. I’ll gladly take the 3 days to keep my job.

jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

stateemployee I feel your pain. I wasn’t complaining about the furlough. I was complaining about the fact that my wife is still expected to work on the furlough days.

Working the same number of days without being paid for some of them, that’s not a furlough…that’s a pay decrease. And I’m quite sure the other state workers aren’t being expected to come in on their furloughs.

More to Come!

July 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm

Teachers..Teachers…those select few of you who think a UNION will help you need to closely look at GM, Chrysler, CalTech, California Teachers Union, Ohio Teachers Union for insight to what will happen to Union Members. You pay dues month after month and when the government or company does not have the resources to pay you, they will LAY YOU OFF. While some fat cat in a suit collecting those dues is smiling all the way to the bank.

Teachers who complain…the job is not YOURS. It(the job) belongs to the taxpayers. You need to get in line with the rest of the country and suck it up until the economy turns around and tax reciepts are back to pre-recession numbers. The GOVERNOR, LT. GOVERNOR, SENATE, HOUSE AND EVERY DEPARTMENT IS TAKING FURLOUGH DAYS. Do not let some blowhard dimwit talk you into walking out on a job with kids in the classroom. That would be grounds for termination and then the rest of us would be forced to feed you via food stamps and public aid.

Folks, be smart and join the rest of the country in taking our lumps with the downsizing, layoffs, fulough

More to Come!

July 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm

Teachers…Teachers, Educators…….Get over it. Do not let some blowhard talk you into walking out on a classroom full of children to make a symbollic jesture. That WOULD be grounds for Dismissal or Termination. While on the subject do not let some YAHOO talk you into joing a union that will lead down the same path as employees of GM, CHRYSLER, California Teachers Union, Ohio Teachers Union, Michigan Teachers Union. They all paid union dues to some fat cat in a suit who still has his job and laughed all the way to the bank.

Just a gentle reminder that the job you are in belongs to the Tax Payers who fund it, not you. Time to understand that every level of Government except D.C. has had to make cuts. The Gov,Lt.Gov, House, Senate and every Department has taken furlough days and will continue to take Furlough days. While the politicians in Washington are taking more and more of your hard earned money to spend so you cannot it spend it. I will advise you of some very prevelant bad new yet to come…The 3rd quarter tax revenues will be even less than the first two quarters and more cuts will be needed.. so prepare yourself.

Good Luck to you all.

It's simple....

July 23rd, 2009
9:06 pm

Hey…More to Come…believe it or not teachers are tax payers too. So realistically,I guess I am losing some of the salary that I have been paying to myself…….lovely thought!

Atlanta Teacher

July 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm

I will guarantee you that all these Atlanta School Systems will be the only ones who take the three days in Georgia…

Vicki

July 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

I am in shock. Take more money from teachers? So far, we do not get a step increase, or a cost of living increase. Our insurance and other benefits will cost us more. In effect, we are taking a pay cut to begin with. Now we are told we will have 3 furlough days. Who else will take these? Administrators? Superintendents? The Governor himself? Yeah right! Push us harder for testing. Earn AYP, you are accountable, not the parents, but, I am taking your salary away from you. What a thankless unappreciated profession. Where is the stimulus from Obama? Hmmm, we need to give big business some paybacks….. I give up!

To Jarvis

July 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

Saw this posted from “Cobb Teacher” on the Get Schooled board – can’t verify, but maybe your wife’s princiapl was being a little too proactive?

“The cobb board voted 6-1 tonight against teacher furlough days. They are taking money out of reserves. The district’s attorney suggested to the board that legal fights could follow if they furloughed teachers after contracts had been signed. The board decided against the furloughs because teachers in cobb are already taking a 2 percent paycut, 50 percent step decrease and reduction of contract days from 191 to the state mandated 190.”

John O.

July 24th, 2009
12:27 am

Need to recoup lost pay for a teacher’s 3 days furlough? Break a nasty gambling habit, it was rationalized that $20/week or $1140/annum for the GA Lottery was fun and justified as it went to education, guess there will just be less fun now.

Sam Wilson

July 24th, 2009
7:57 am

This is completing insane to hit the teachers and school systems with this option a few days/weeks before school starts. Talk about being irresponsible. The teachers are still going to have to work, but without pay. Principals will require them to come in for “meetings” on the remaining days to make up for the missed paid meetings. Teachers are already over worked and underpaid. This only adds to the pain. I’m sure that there are other areas within the state budget that could have been cut to make up for this shortfall. The Governor and staff taking days off for starters. Fro a state that has constantly battled to stay away from the bottom of the dumbest in the nation, well this surely helps.

Aaron Gould Sheinin

July 24th, 2009
9:37 am

Sam, I noted this before in the comment thread, but it’s probably gotten lost. Perdue and his staff, as well as lawmakers and staff in the House and Senate, are all taking the three furlough days and will cut their budgets as well. In fact, most legislative staff (House and Senate) have been taking one furlough day a month for several months now. Some legislative aides have taken upwards of 10 furloughs already. There’s a lot of pain out there already.

ToddDiroberto

July 24th, 2009
12:01 pm

STIMULUSXRESPONSE

July 24th, 2009
6:32 pm

Is anyone really surprised by any of this ??? This is just more of the same from fat-cat government administrators (the rich and powerful elitists that are controlling everything in this country). They tax the hell out of us poor peasant drones that ACTUALLY do all the work while they squander OUR money and pad their expensive suit pockets so they can live the high society life … so much money is WASTED by the government … one of the big ones being the multiple levels of COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY “management” positions, most of which sit around doing nothing all day while being paid a BIG FAT SALARY… we barely get by on an hourly wage as it is and are then expected to take unpaid days off … these fat-cat salaried administrators and managers in Georgia state government should be the ones taking pay cuts… or better yet, the state (AND FED) needs to “trim the fat” in “management” and get rid of all bullshit jobs that have been created for their friends, cronies,fraternity brothers, family members, etc… yeah, that’s right, we’re not as dumb as you think we are….

Disgruntled educator

July 24th, 2009
11:41 pm

Is Purdue taking any furlough days? How about the members of the legislation? You know, those people making 6 figures. I am an educator, and I have a right to complain. All of you people who are saying that we shouldn’t complain because at least we have a job need to get a clue. STUDENTS NEED TEACHERS!!!!! States have to employ teachers and also there are requirements relating to student-teacher ratio. Legally, there can’t be 45 students in a Pre-Algebra class, so guess what, teachers are needed. If Georgia was a union state, this would absolutely NOT be happening. Teachers are already extremely underpaid considering what we deal with on a daily basis. Then to take away our step raises, then force us to take off days without pay is a slap in the face. This is why teacher attrition is the way it is now, a lot of people rather leave the field, then deal with all types of foolishness for minimal pay. During our workday, we are mother, social worker, police officer, and many other positions outside of the teacher role. Many of us are are dealing with combat and hazardous environments so why can’t we go to school for free? The military gets many kickbacks and also free education, but those of us providing it don’t. When teachers are valued more, maybe the test scores in Georgia will rise, since they are in the toilet right now compared to national scores. Ridiculous….

ktaylor

July 25th, 2009
9:20 am

I am teacher who still does not understand why we have to pay for the state’s serial mismanagement of public funds for education.
We are asked to do more with less at school every year and now they are dipping into our pockets to make us PERSONALLY do more with less.
Their lack of planning and/or procrastination in dealing with a leaky system should not constitute an emergency or undue burden for us or the children we teach!

Disgruntled educator

July 25th, 2009
9:33 am

I feel that some positions need to be purged. I know in Fulton, there are SO many school positions outside of the teachers and administrators it is ridiculous. There are Instructional Support Teachers who aren’t actually “teachers” because they don’t teach! They get paid more than teachers and supposedly “assist” teachers with their instructional needs. A crock! There are also the administrative assistants (AA’s) who are basically administrators in training. They get to play the role of administrators but aren’t actually administrators and also get paid the same if not more than teachers. Then there are the graduation coaches, much of graduation coaches job should be the responsibility of guidance counselors. Both positions aren’t needed, especially when you have 5 guidance counselors in one school! There are just too many “fluff” staff members that aren’t directly impacting education and those positions need to be done away with. As long as people continue to procreate, teachers will be needed. Custodial staff, lunch staff, teachers, secretarial staff, and administrators are needed. The other positions are negotiable…

Disgruntled educator

July 25th, 2009
9:58 am

I feel that some positions need to be purged. I know in Fulton, there are SO many school positions outside of the teachers and administrators it is ridiculous. There are Instructional Support Teachers who aren’t actually “teachers” because they don’t teach! They get paid more than teachers and supposedly “assist” teachers with their instructional needs. A crock! There are also the administrative assistants (AA’s) who are basically administrators in training. They get to play the role of administrators but aren’t actually administrators and also get paid the same if not more than teachers. Then there are the graduation coaches, much of graduation coaches job should be the responsibility of guidance counselors. Both positions aren’t needed, especially when you have 5 guidance counselors in one school! There are just too many “fluff” staff members that aren’t directly impacting education and those positions need to be done away with. Custodial staff, lunch staff, teachers, and administrators are needed. The other positions are negotiable… Also, some salaries need to be reduced. Superintendents, area superintendents, and the like are making extreme amounts of money. Heck the chancellor of the GA teacher retirement system and some superintendents make more than or close to what the President of the United States and he is over the whole country, not just a local school district! The distribution of funds is laughable.

RSM

July 25th, 2009
3:24 pm

Not that it matters or that I have a choice, but I don’t mind taking 3 days cut in pay if it saves my job. However, I have worked at least 15 – 20 full days this summer without pay as well. If I got paid for that work, I honestly wouldn’t mind at all. I know many teachers who have done the same if not more. You can be sure this mandated cut in pay (furlough days) has been the straw that has broken the camel’s back. I will not be volunteering ANY more of my time to my teaching career when the government volunteers my money as well. What is a contract anyway?

EuroAmerican

July 25th, 2009
6:02 pm

To save money, Georgia schools should go to a four day school week (Mon – Thur. or Tues. – Fri.). The school systems would save thousands of dollars on gas (by not running buses), on electricity (no lights, computers, etc.), and on food (no breakfasts or lunches in the lunchrooms). The amount of time spent at school in four days (8am to 5pm) would be the same as five days (8am to 3pm). This would save on after school daycare for parents on those four days, but would of course require some daycare or shuffling of parents’ work days on the fifth day. The teachers and most of the support staff would work the same number of contract hours per week. The only people who might would receive a pay cut would be lunchroom workers and bus drivers since they would only be needed on 4 days insead of 5 days.

Busted and disgusted

July 25th, 2009
8:10 pm

The superintendent of Fulton county is proposing that the teachers take all 3 of the furlough days during pre-planning. Being that only 2 days will be left, how is that enough time to prepare for a new group of students? It’s not, so teachers will be working for free by coming in anyway to get classrooms set up. Real nice… Also, a concern is are all of those days going to be docked from one paycheck? I surely hope not because that will be at least $600 for many people, especially those with advanced degrees. I don’t know too many people, especially single people, who can afford to lose that much money on one paycheck. I don’t think mortgage companies, utility companies, etc… are going to care much about furlough days, they will still want their money. Many people are living paycheck to paycheck so to take a big chunk out of one check can leave folks in major binds. Hopefully, the pay deductions will be spread out. *Crossing fingers*

thankateacher

July 25th, 2009
10:08 pm

Wouldn’t it be nice if the powers that be decided to eliminate Open House Day? And how about getting rid of the CRCT? That would save a lot of money!

GATEACHER

July 25th, 2009
10:30 pm

SWEET! As a teacher I get three more vacation, or force-cation, days. EXCEPT for the fact that we are asked to take them during pre and post planning days…days we HAVE to be in the classroom to set up for the year! You ever try to teach 20 kids with NOTHING set up Sonny? So, basically, we are being asked tongue in cheek to work without pay…..Hey Sonny…why dont YOU try it! How do I pay for childcare for MY children when Im not being paid? Really thought this one through, didnt you Sonny!!??

busy teacher

July 26th, 2009
11:09 am

Until everyone in the state contributes their share to meet the budget deficit, I’m not willing to take another pay cut, per the article on Sunday, July 26.

Let the state ( the people) of Georgia bear the burden of lost revenues. After all it is the budget of the state of Georgia, not the budget of the educational system of Georgia. There are many people who will not have paid a penny of state income tax but who shop, buy food,gas, and clothes, and eat at our restaurants and visit our cities and attractions. Why should we shoulder the burden when they can help the revenues? That is a bigger pot of cream than the paltry amount taken from teachers and state workers.
Am I referring to a sales tax increase? I certainly am. A one penny increase would not be devastating. This tax would affect everyone and we all could make the decisions to cut back and to buy. It would affect everyone and we all could suffer not just a certain unfortunate group of people that the government think it controls.
No, I do not want this. but if revenues from the state are down, the people of the state need to help raise this money to cover the short fall, not some specific groups of people.
Yes, we need a stronger voice in a teacher organization. I do not like to know that my signed and notarized contract is not worth the paper it is printed on; that the state thinks I’m in servitude to their good graces. We are professionals who contract with the state to offer our services to educate your children for a contracted salary. Under no circumstances should we have our contracts altered without negotiations and voting on the alterations from the teachers involved.
These salary cuts and furlough days are purely discriminatory against the children, their teachers, and the workers of the state as you, the poeple, ask them to bear the burdens of the entire population of Georgia.
Is Sonny Perdue a governor or a politician? Right now, we need a governor to stand up and do the hard things and make the hard choices for his people, not his party.

snoopy

July 26th, 2009
1:39 pm

Once again, teachers are crapped on again! Some of us DO live paycheck to paycheck and this is really going to hurt! I just hope the 3 days are spread thoughout and not all during 1 month. That would be about $750 out of my paycheck and would really screw me up! The children will not be left behind, but the school systems have no money…so…aren’t they really left behind if we cannot afford the supplies we need? And the teachers…ha…cant afford to pay for supplies out of their own pockets. It just irritates me!

snoopy

July 26th, 2009
1:45 pm

AMEN busy teacher. maybe you should run for gov. I would def rather pay a penny extra than to lose $750 which is about what it would be for me.

ron

July 27th, 2009
7:53 am

I think life is tough all over the world. Be Blessed that you have jobs that have benefits. I’ve worked at a job where you had “dark days” and you would find out about your furlough that week. Some factories shutdown 2-4 weeks during off peak times. Take the three days off and sew it into what really matters…..your families!

stateworker2

July 27th, 2009
10:43 am

TO @statewoker2: DO NOT PITTY ME! Your the one who is on here complaining about your salary and being furloughed for 3 days, I am just stating my comments like you have yours And if your 4 year degree can earn you more money some where else other what you earning here then follow your dreams hon! That is why you became a school teacher isn’t it? To teach children and make a difference in our world? Not for the pay and glory? Maybe you should be the one who is pitted since your an underpaid, over-worked, non-appreciated profession in the state of GA. But then again, being college educated, did you not research your profession before going into it? Georgia is one of the lowest paid systems in the country. All STATE workers are underpaid on the national average, not just teachers.

For YOUR information.. my information is NOT incorrect. I have four teachers in my family and I get so SICK and tired of hearing the complaining. YOU all chose your profession and now want to B… and complain about not being paid enough to teach. Come on, do you really think your profession is worth $50k-$60k a year? I don’t from what I see with my eyes, hear with my ears and witness in person but to be honest, don’t we all think we should be paid more than we make. When a child comes home and says that his teacher is sitting on her behind at her desk looking at eBay or CHATTING in a chat room or using Yahoo Messenger or AOL to talk to friends on a laptop that most school systems provide to teachers, they are NOT doing their jobs. I personally know teachers who do this and there are many! What happened to teachers actually standing up in a class room and teaching from a book? Writing on a chalk board and having the students participate and learn the old fashion way not from some computer program that you’ve gotten with your $100 gift card. By the way, for your information my purchasing card is a VISA and it tracks my purchases too when its used/swiped BUT I also have to keep receipts, fill out forms and sign three different documents before I submit it to AP every month. So what your saying is you just swiped your credit card and had to complete no paper work to explain what was purchased and the reason/how it is being used? Well looking at the statement, for all we know purchases could have been made for your child’s school list. You do give out lists to parents that contain what your saying you can only purchase? Correct?

How long have you been employed as a school teacher? You sit and complain about your pay. What you don’t realize is there are state employees who have dedicated 10.. 20.. even 30 years to the state, work long hours and are not appreciated and make WAY less than you. To sit there and complain.. Think about other state employees.. Where did I get my information.. Hmm, well lets see. Do you ever watch the news? They plainly state that the state legislators have APPROVED a 4% raise across the board for teachers.. Have you ever looked at the Governor’s page? The Legislators weekly updates on the web page? You see as a STATE employee we are told that there are not guaranteed 4% raises, ours are based on MERIT, is the teacher’s raises? They should be based on what we’ve all heard in the reports lately about where GA ranks in education! But our wonder Governor says that you all will receive a 4% raise and if you haven’t gotten it then maybe you should be asking questions because since you ALL elected our wonderful Governor (per the news..) the past three years it has been stated that teachers will get a 4% raise and there was several times that you also didn’t have an insurance increase.. guess who took that cost on. YOUR STATE workers that make WAY less than teachers and work just as hard because if we didn’t would we be employed. Also, this past year, we didn’t get raises until Jan. 1 for our merit based raise for 2007 and our insurance went up yet once again and low and behold if the Governor didn’t come back to the state employees in November and tell us that we had to pick up an ADDITIONAL 5% of our health care cost so it went up about 13% again for the fourth year. How much did the teachers insurance increase? I have been a state employee over 17 years and make less than $31,000 a year. I work 40 hours a week and do the work of three positions. What did you say your salary was and how long have you been teaching? The PROBLEM is that teachers are just now starting to feel it in their pockets while ALL other state employees have felt it for years so that is why you all are complaining now, we are use to it. BTW, you say that your paid by county/local funds too.. then how can you be CLASSIFIED as a STATE EMPLOYEE? Would you not be classified as a contracted agent that works for the state? One last thing about furloughs.. you as a teacher are facing three days correct? Well all other state employees will have to take off 3 days during 2009 with a MAXIMUM of 10 possibly changed to 12 for 2009-2010! Now, you complain about 3 days!

LAST COMMENT: You say that your not off basically six months out of the year? And you don’t sit around all summer. Well lets see, there are four weeks in a month and you say that your basically off 8 weeks so that equals 2 months and I surely don’t see cars at the schools around here 4 weeks prior to classes starting back. Why aren’t there any cars at the schools? Given there are a few through out the weeks when its close to school starting BUT NOT all summer. Furthermore, the dates were published yesterday in our local paper for the school districts in the surrounding counties and guess what. There are LOTS of days OFF. example December 18 – January 4. Hmm, that is 17 days off.. (basically all of my PAID STATE Holidays which is 12 per year in one month.. plus 5 days). Have you ever worked Christmas Eve? These state employees do! So while your sitting at home December 24 being paid, think of all of the other state employees who are having to work and not able to spend that day with their families! This is why it is hard to have sympathy for teachers who want to complain that they are over worked, underpaid. Look at all of the other benefits you receive. You may be contracted as a 9 month employee but you are paid based on 12 months. Also, last year on the GA/FLA game weekend, three (3) counties had to CANCEL school because they did not have enough school teachers to work (as many had called in sick) and there were not enough substitutes to call in to teach so therefore they had to close the schools for the day. In my opinion, this year they ought to tell them only x number will be allowed off and if anyone calls in sick and doesn’t have a personal/family emergency (with proof) then they are FIRED! That was completely ridiculous last year to close the schools because they called in sick in order to go to a football game and party all weekend. Show where their priorities are! And some mention daycare on here, just imagine that you leave for work to take your child to school and when you get there your told that the school is closed that day so then you have to call in to work yourself to take the day off or at least an hour to find a babysitter all just so the teachers could have a partying weekend at a football game. One last thing, I have seen first hand our teachers getting ready to enter the world of work and when you have to explain to them what NAME (last, first, middle initial), Degree and Major means… you know our education system is in trouble! That I have witnessed first hand having worked in the recruiting department at one of the state universities when school systems came to campus to interview perspective teachers and I had to explain over a hundred times what name, degree and major meant when they were signing up for interview times. Now how can you go to college and earn a four year degree and not know what Name.. Degree and Major is? SOOOOO sad.. That’s our education system though. Just announced last week that we are one of five states with the lowest ranked graduation rate That alone SPEAKS VOLUMES about our education and teachers!

One question for you.. why can’t you post under your own name so that people know who to direct their comments. You seem to be entitled to yours just as we are ours. Like I’ve always been told.. comments are like opinions.. Everyone has one.. just like an a-hole. Yours differs from mine. If you don’t like mine then keep yours to yourself too!

sick of hearing them biotch

July 27th, 2009
1:07 pm

I’ve seen MANY comments to teachers re. the complaining. SUCK IT UP! I have many freinds who are teachers. Along with my sister and brother-in-law. While my husband has been layed off SIX times in the last 3 years, they have been able to stick to a budget and buy new homes. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! I have NO sympathy for your little 3 days of no pay. Try 6 months to a year on unemployment, then we will see how GRATEFUL you are for your JOB!

Mike

July 27th, 2009
4:31 pm

Why cry now. You clowns voted Sonny in. He has not dealt with Lake Lanier which I will never understand. Lets see he did fly a Georgia State Patrol helicopter. He did buy the land next to that boondoggle in Perry ‘Go Fish’. And everytime money is mentioned the first thing he does is cut pay for teachers and days of education for the students.

Miran

July 27th, 2009
5:36 pm

In these times we have to make many difficult financial decisions. Some may prove to be more difficult than others. But there comes a time where we must draw the line, And it is here at education we must not allow our educational resources to be cut. Lets stop giving these huge Tax Credits to corporations then maybe just maybe we could balance our budget without cutting into education

Remember the kiddos?

July 27th, 2009
7:09 pm

OK, everyone seems to be talking about state employees, and lumping teachers into that group. They are not the guy that flips the “slow, stop” sign over for 8 hours a day during road construction. They are in charge of our children’s education. Sonny and his gang are counting on the fact that the teachers will work during the furlough days because they already do so much “off the clock”. I don’t know a single teacher that picked their profession to get rich. They do the job because they care about kids (even the kids of all you sarcastic a-holes suggesting they get private sector jobs or telling them they are just being babies). We expect so much out of them seemingly without respecting them. In my local Sunday paper there was an article going on and on about how far our system is behind other countries. There was also an article about unpaid teacher leave. Everyone says they care about education right up until time to pay, then it’s a great big case of “not me”!

bendover n takeit

July 27th, 2009
9:16 pm

To: stateworker2

AMEN AMEN A F–KING MEN

Jennifer

July 27th, 2009
11:32 pm

If you are reading this, THANK a teacher who asks for nothing more than to be PAID what they have been CONTRACTED for! Quit telling me to “suck it up” when you depend on me to raise your kids, and make them successful! PAY ME!

lol, stateworker2, lol

July 27th, 2009
11:53 pm

I guess a struck a nerve, eh?

For the record, I never complained about my pay personally, nor did I complain about the furlough – the reduction in pay sucks, of course, but I am happy to have a job. I would feel the exact same way if I worked in the private sector (which I did – for 10 years prior to being a teacher – and that was after a stint in the USMC – semper fi – and my SCIENCE, not science ed, degree can earn me LOTS more, but silly me, I thought I could make a difference). All I did was clarify some of your misconceptions about the hours teachers are contracted to work as well as how the gift card worked – the misconceptions, I might add, that you continue to perpetuate with your misinformation. Maybe your family members are the problem – and no offense, but you seem to have a real inferiority complex about the college degree – if it makes you feel any better, my sister, who took all business ed classes in high school, and never went to college makes more than I do – even if you factor in 190 vs 240 days.

Think about the other state employees? I care as much about the other state employees as the state employees care about teachers. Like me, they chose their field of work – like me, they chose to work for the state (actually that’s not quite true – teachers DON’T work for the state – they are employed by the district). Like me, they are taxpayers, too, and like me, they are victims of this bad economy. However, also like me, they still have jobs, and should be grateful. Care enough for ya?

As far as what my professions is worth – I don’t know if it’s worth $50,000-$65,000 a year – I don’t make that much. After ten years teaching, I have yet to crack the $50,000 (almost this year, almost, but it was taken away…). If you remember your HS econ class, you know that any job is worth what the market will bear – the problem with math and science degrees is that the private sector market bears much better. I’m sure you’ve seen the old bit about charging $5/hr/child – much like a baby sitting rate – even at $3 per kid x 30 kids in a class x 6 hours (which is seat time – my contracted day is 8:30 – 4:30) the rate would be $97,200 – you tell me – what’s YOUR child worth to YOU?

As far as the eBay/chatting/time wasting and what not, well, one, I would say you have slackers in every profession (a recent study showed American office workers wasted an average of $2 hours per day – I’m SURE you’re an exception to that), two, I don’t know about your county, but my county blocks most of the stuff – you might want to have a little chat with your school board, and three, what didn’t you take it up with THAT teacher? That’s not me – I hardly sit, let alone have time to fool around on the internet. One case does not an epidemic make, my friend.

You asked: “What happened to teachers actually standing up in a class room and teaching from a book? Writing on a chalk board and having the students participate and learn the old fashion way not from some computer program that you’ve gotten with your $100 gift card.” Uhm…we’d be fired. You see – the educrats and all the latest educational jargon want to see a “guide on the side,” and not a “sage on the stage.” If all you do is lecture to your students, you’ll be on a PDP faster than an Indy car.

As to the VISA card that you seem to be so upset about – I’m only relating my experience with the card – I didn’t come up with the idea – I didn’t ask for it – I didn’t make up the rules on how to use it. If you’re upset that we didn’t need to save and turn in our receipts to someone, then you needs to take that up with the governor. However you insinuated that we were free to just buy whatever we wanted and that was simply not the case – again, I’m sure if you e-mail the department of the comptroller or something they’ll be happy to explain it all to you. We had lots of rules as to what and where and when we could shop. As for me personally, I followed the rules (I’m a former Marine after all – we tend to do that). Did I buy things for my personal children? No, there was no need to as my children are done with school, but even if they weren’t, I wouldn’t. Did other people? Who knows? But it certainly wouldn’t be EVERY teacher as many are childless or child-free (kids up and out). Do I give my parents a list? No, not really – the kids need something to write with and something to write on – tissues are nice, but I usually buy those for my class.

That 4% raise did not get approved in all districts – which you’d know if you ever read a local newspaper – again, teachers are not state employees, per se; we work for the district. Our pay is made up of state, local, and federal money (mainly SPED/ESOL/Title 1). The state gives money to the district, and the district disburses it as it sees fit. By the way, on the topic of districts – I am a teacher in the district in which I live, shop, and pay taxes. We are a relatively wealthy metro district and a portion of our money goes to a big bucket at the state house for dispersal to lower incomed district (it’s called QBE). Some of those districts got their full 4% – we did not. I didn’t complain about it then – maybe I should’ve, so people would know what was going on.

You gotta let the time off thing go – for the millionth time – we paid per diem, that means per day, based on a 190 day contract. Those 17 days that school is out are unpaid for us – and those 17 days include weekends – why are you including weekends? That’s a really unfair comparison (and it sounds like it’s making you blood boil, so relax and let it go). Of those 17 days, you have 6 weekend days – most people either don’t work weekends or have equivalent days off during the week. Now we have 11 – from that 11 you take away Christmas and New Year’s as those are typically paid holidays for most. Now you’re down to 9 days – chances are one of those is a teachers workday (it is in my county – we don’t get out until the end of the day on the 18th), so you have 8 days that the teachers are off, unpaid, but off. So what? We’re off because if we weren’t, parents would complain about not being able to take time off for the holidays!! We’re d’ed if we do and d’ed if we don’t.

And in answer to your question about working on the 24th? Yes, hon, many, many years. Prior to the Marine Corps, I worked in a hotel – not only did I work the 24th, but the 25th as well. While I put myself through school I worked retail – you bet your sweet gift wrap I worked the 24th. The Marine Corps? Do I really need to answer that question? In the private sector, I worked it, too, although almost every place I worked, gave us a half day ( and let us go at 3 on New Year’s Eve). So I don’t feel really guilty about – I did my time, and I look at that as a benefit in exchange for less pay (from the private sector job I held prior to teaching). Funny note – the school system I grew up in had school on the 24th and still do – so don’t assume all teachers have that.

As far as total days – most people don’t work weekends, get 6 – 10 paid holidays, and 10 – 15 vacation days. 365 – 52 weekends is 261. Subtract 6 holidays = 255. Subtract 10 vacation days = 245. That means most people work 67% of the year – you don’t run around saying that, so how can you say teachers work 6 months? That’s just stupid. You could say that they are contracted work 15% fewer days than the average employee, but often have to give up some nights and weekends to do so.

“This is why it is hard to have sympathy for teachers who want to complain that they are over worked, underpaid.” I don’t. I will honestly say that I am merely adequately compensated for a job that is far more difficult than I ever imagined, but still like to do. I thought I knew what I was getting myself into, but every day I remain shocked and amazed. I look at my “summers off” as comp time for the late nights and weekends I put in during the year. Fair enough. But every summer I have taught I have also spent some time in the summer “working” – I just didn’t clock in at school to do it. Please don’t yammer on about how people in the real world all do that, too – truthfully, they don’t – the majority of my friends in the so-called real world NEVER take home work, and never work more than 40 without being compensated in either time or money.

As to your other complaints – I couldn’t tell you about my insurance as I’m insured through my husband’s work – his private company insurance is better than what I am offered by the school. The FLA/GA thing is crazy – maybe those counties just need to build those days in the calendar (like the Louisville school system does for the Kentucky Derby). That doesn’t happen in the metro area, and since I’m a Notre Dame fan, I refuse to feel bad for that – that’s some crazy S. GA football noise. My county here, and the high school my children graduated from, has a graduation rate higher than Georgia’s average, as well as SATs higher than the national average. Again, I refuse to apologize for that – I take absolutely no responsibility outside what I do.

You didn’t post under your real name – why should I? You are correct about opinions, however, you posted yours on an open forum – last time I checked, I had the right to express my opinion, as do you. You seem to want to be able to say what you want and think and you don’t seem to have a real thick skin about getting as good as you give. That’s not my problem.

I would appreciate an answer to this question though – you go on and on about how poor a job the teachers are doing – how overpaid they are. How many days they have off – including Christmas Eve.

Here’s my question – and I’d really love an answer from any non-teacher, but particularly those who like to bash:

Why, if teaching is such a great job, so well paid, and with all that time off – why, oh, why, oh, why, oh WHY…are you not teachers? What’s keeping you? Let’s face it – if we improved the pool, the schools would have the cream of the crop from which to choose.

Didn’t mean to go on so, but our dear friend “state worker” had some serious issues to address.

John Po Teacher

July 29th, 2009
4:13 pm

As a teacher I feel like we are already not paid enough for the stuff we have to put up with and now this! I am so sick of this. I went into teaching hoping to make a difference and to have a decent job. I can barely make it from month to month and I live very conservatively. People want their kids educated but are not willing to pay for it. I am just sick over this and wonder how I am going to pay my bills which are impacted by the furloughs. The bad thing is that on these Furlough days we will still be expected to complete the work that needed to be completed on those teacher work days. I teach special education and believe me there is not enough time in the day to get all the paperwork done and teacher work days are an absolute. Many of us have resorted to calling in sick or taking a personal day just so we can make a dent in the paperwork and now they are taking away a workday. So once again I will be working at home all day FOR FREE… well to hell with that…my new motto…If it gets done it gets done if it doesn’t oh well not my problem. I usually stay late everyday after school often until 6 or 7 pm just to do work that I cannot do during the day. WELL NO MORE I will only do what it takes to get by from now own no more above and beyond. Perdue you suck and so do your policies. You take some days off. Where is Obama in all of this didn’t he promise to raise teachers salaries? Obama sucks too.

lynn

July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm

is there anyway to find out if Purdue and his staff are going to take 3 unpaid days off? that is something news stations should look into and report.

giggles

July 30th, 2009
6:24 pm

Some of you should be glad you even have a job. I additio don’t forget the reason you may have to take a total of 3 furlough days between now and December is to fix the budget. At least you didn’t misinterupt the way one person did that works for the state that he had asked to take one day each week till december. Look at some of the other states, some schools only are open 4 days a week and teachers families and kids get a 3 day weekend each week the over all savings are immense. electricity, bus schedules, and teachers pay is not affected like it won’t be here you already get paid during the summer while you are off. everyone has to get through all this mess, bitching about it is not going to change it. Yes it is difficult to make ends meet but what else do you suggest? If he had done what Someone believed earlier do you think he would be in office? he would have been impeached if he had ask everyone to take off every week for one day without pay, is 3 days really that bad?

giggles

July 30th, 2009
6:27 pm

way to go lol, stateworker2, lol well said and I applaud you

GCPS Employee

July 31st, 2009
7:53 am

The students will not miss days of school, nor will subs be brought in. These furlough days will only be more days that teachers work without pay. When are we supposed to set up classrooms, plan instruction and close grades? How about we cut out all the “meetings” administration and the county insists on and let us actually plan and teach our students on the days we are getting paid. Then we can actually take our furlogh days without having to do all the work without pay. I am tired of hearing that we went into education for the kids, not the pay. I still have a family to support, and bills to pay. Stop trying to make us feel guilty for expecting to be paid what we are worth. This “take one for the team” attitude is a bunch of baloney!

J

July 31st, 2009
7:49 pm

Unions in Georgia are NOT illegal. Georgia is a right to work state. You cannot be FORCED to join a union but that doesn’t mean you can’t join one. The people in power would love to continue to perpetuate the idea that unions are illegal but they are not.

Public vs. Private

July 31st, 2009
11:18 pm

Elsie;
You out of everyone were the most out of line. I have been in private school all my life in Atlanta…maybe the same ones you kids now attend. I had an idea of what I thought public school was supposed to be like and I’m sure I once sound like you…but since I now have had the opportunity to see inside some amazing teacher’s classroom I know I was wrong. So are you! The teachers in public compared to private are not different; the “hoops” they jump through are. Hope you wise up one day or stop breeding.

Right to work does not mean right to bargain

August 1st, 2009
10:34 am

J – saying that unions are illegal is incorrect in that it’s an oversimplification. You’re right that Georgia is a “right to work” state, and it’s correct to say that teachers are not mandated to join any of the three “professional organization” (they don’t generally call themselves unions either although they may have affiliation with a national group). What IS illegal is for teachers to collectively bargain – that’s why most teachers will get prickly when folks want to “blame the unions” for state of education in Georgia and teacher work conditions. Basically the union cannot do for teachers here what it can do for teachers in other states, rendering it mostly ineffective except for lobbying. Hope that helps.

RSM

August 6th, 2009
8:05 am

I am a teacher and DO appreciate my job. However, I do NOT appreciate contracts being broken (even with the tiny printed clause that allows it on our contract). If we (teachers) broke our contract, it is highly likely our licenses would be revoked. As far as the comments of us “whining” and/or “biotching” about this, it is NOT contained to the teaching profession. Turn on the news people! Everyone is whining about the state of the economy!

Most teachers I know are in the business to “make a difference”. This does not mean our paychecks do not matter. It also does not mean we would be doing it if we were not able to meet our financial obligations by our “chosen” careers. Most, if not all, teachers do not have that luxury! Don’t be naive! AND be careful what you ask for…many teachers DO leave the profession of PUBLIC EDUCATORS and teach those who are capable of paying US what we are worth (or enter some other profession)! When this happens on a large scale, you can forget about those who are not paying income tax or other taxes being “equally educated”. You can depend on them spending money and not paying attention to an extra penny on sales tax.

This picture is much bigger than a lot of fortunate teachers (who have chosen wisely the profession of their hearts) and a state government which looks to US to fix all of societies ills (including a budget short-fall). Society has consistently whined and complained about the AWFUL conditions of public education. This will only make matters worse.

martha

August 7th, 2009
8:48 am

i lost 20 HOURS A WEEK — I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE JUST HAD THREE DAYS A YEAR WITHOUT PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUIT YOUR WHINING AND COMPLAINING

Former Georgian

August 7th, 2009
10:03 am

As a teacher in SC and AL, I have always worked more hours than the time for which I am financially compensated. However, it appears that teachers in Georgia are expected to report to school on their furlough days whereas other state employees(such as my sister who is a social worker) get to use their furlough days as vacation days. And you wonder why there’s a shortage of math and science teachers?

What makes my butt burn

August 10th, 2009
7:43 pm

People ACTUALLY believe teachers get paid in the summer! We are contracted employees for 190 days. We have 180 with students; 10 days for planning for students. Our contracts are per diem (per DAY) for the 190 days we work. The total amount of money is divided by 12 months so we get a paycheck each month but do NOT get our daily salary throughout the yer – even when we are not working. However, in order to stay employed in some counties, there is required training and professional development through the summer months. For these days, we do not get our contracted amount. We get a STIPEND (sometimes). These stipends usually end up to be around $10-$15 per hour. My 19 year old son has a part-time job making this amount!

Concerned Faculty, Staff and other Georgia Citizens

August 23rd, 2009
1:00 pm

Governor Perdue and Legislators are fully aware of the “deferred presidential compensation” packages that the Board of Regents gives to the USG presidents (David Bell, Macon State College, is scheduled to receive a $600,000 check in less than 5 months), yet his response in an email one of many concerned USG faculty, staff and Georgia taxpayers was that the Board of Regents has “exclusive authority” to do what they want with ALL of the $2.09 Billion dollars they received last year. Oh, that’s right – $400,000 is coming from the college’s Foundation funds – were the Donors informed!!!!!